WEBVTT - ALYSA VANDERHEYM: Getting Real About Overcoming Creative Ruts, Co-Writing & Producing Kelsea Ballerini’s Rolling Up the Welcome Mat + More 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:17.439 Carl n She's a queen and talking song She's getting 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:20.959 not afraid to favorite episode, so just let it flow. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:26.400 No one can do we quiet, caryll Lyne, it is 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:27.840 sounding Caroline. 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.320 All Right. I am so excited to be on this 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:36.960 episode of Get Real podcast with Alisa Vanderheim. Hello, how's 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:37.280 it going. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:38.520 I'm so happy to be here. 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.720 I'm so happy you're here. You're so cool. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:42.479 Thank you. 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:44.879 I mean, and you're a part of one of the 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.840 coolest things that I feel like went on in country music? 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:50.960 Was it last year? Last year was the year of 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:57.640 you and Kelsey? Sorry? Yeah, yeah, Alisa Vanderheim. Do people 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:01.959 call you Alyssa all the time? So what a. 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.880 Year you've had. You're a huge songwriter in town. Like 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.440 there's a list of people you've written for. You've written 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.920 for like Florida, Georgia, Line, Blake Shelton, Little Big Town 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:14.000 Lady A, Luke Colmes, Coldbeer called My Name? 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:14.759 Who did you do that. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.200 One with h Jameson Rogers? 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:20.040 Yeah, I mean you've also had like another big cut. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.200 Who was that big pop song that you had one Republic? 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.920 And then here comes our girl Kelsey Ballerina, which I 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:30.200 feel like this is like, to me, as an outsider 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.520 looking in, I feel like you guys are like musical soulmates. 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:35.800 I think we are, you know, And I've seen. 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:36.880 That happen with other artists. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.600 It's like when Carrie Underwood found her Hillary Lindsay, you know, 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:41.720 and then they like wrote all those songs and it's like, Oh, 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:42.760 there's Carrie Underwood. 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.320 She's found her partner in her voice, and it's like whoa. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.920 And it's like, I'm speaking from my perspective, it's like 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:54.080 you and Kelsey like y'all's combination has created dis maagic 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.760 because you had eight songs on her Subject to Change album, 0:01:58.000 --> 0:01:59.680 So that's like most of the album. 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:05.520 And how did y'all do rolling up the welcome Matt 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.880 for Good? I mean, where did that come from? I 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:09.720 know she was in the middle of a divorce, but like, 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:12.760 how did y'all get this idea to secretly go to 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:14.080 the studio and make this album? 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.160 So she had this like brainchild. I think when she 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:17.680 knew that it was over for her, she was like, 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.440 we have to write about it. So she was like 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.000 she warned me. She was like, we're gonna make a 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.720 divorce album. And I was like, Okay, I'm along for 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:25.880 the ride, like tell me what to do, coach, put 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.480 me in Captain, And so we just started writing for it, 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.560 and she kind of had like all the titles that 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.239 she wanted to write in the concepts I was. I 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:35.760 would say, there was like one song that didn't make 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:37.919 the project, like we basically just snipered it. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:41.680 And then we're like in. 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:43.000 The middle of the night, sneaking into the. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.080 Studio we would do Yeah, was she not. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.480 Married when she was making this album? 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:47.799 Was it? 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:48.040 Because? 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:49.600 I mean it was probably like I'm the DL. 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.919 I mean no, I would what if you were trying 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:53.880 to remember? No? 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.040 Because when okay, I have I now have witnessed some 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:01.160 divorces happening in friendships, and it's like when especially a 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.239 woman is done being married, she's done. 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:04.520 She's done. 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.359 Before the divorce happens, like there's a moment where it's 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:09.640 like this has been over. 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.160 It's been over for a while. 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:13.840 Yeah, and if for the other party not to recognize that, yeah, 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:14.320 come on. 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:19.400 Are you blind, cited or just blind? What was the 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:20.880 song that didn't make the album? 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:21.280 What was that? 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.320 It was called better Off and the hook was like 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.400 it was like a better ring. Some things are better off. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:27.040 It's cool. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:28.200 It just didn't fit. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.200 No, I would say, I mean, I think she just 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:31.320 wanted it so specific. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.560 What was the full spectrum that it's like from start 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:35.400 to finish kind of. 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.720 Yeah, she just had this in her brain the whole time, 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.960 and I was just catching on as she was like, 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.440 I was just like cool, that's dope. Like she knew 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.160 the whole time, and I was just like all right, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:46.640 like trying to keep up. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.200 You know, were you all writing the songs in the studio. 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:50.800 Yeah, there's let's see. 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.720 Blindsided happened because I just had made a track for 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:55.920 her in mind, not not even for the EP, just 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:57.880 like this is a cool track whatever. And then so 0:03:58.000 --> 0:03:59.360 we wrote that was I want to say that was 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.960 the first song we wrote. I can't remember actually, but 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.000 that was one of the first ones. And then that's 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.520 like spurred a lot of the other ones, and like 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.560 and half of the record she wrote by herself. So 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.200 we just like I just put music to it. 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:12.760 Okay. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.160 When she said we're going to make a divorce album, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:19.360 which A, that's so ballsy, you know, that's so scary. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:23.599 It is, that's so vulnerable, that's so exposing. 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:24.920 It is, and it could go bad, real bad, Like 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:25.800 it could go bad. 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.440 How I mean, it could go she's exposing herself. But 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.320 then also there's this other person that was in the 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.120 marriage that is getting exposed to you know, like how 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:35.159 did that play out? 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:35.719 Yeah? 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.120 Yeah, I mean, and then you're talking about it, like 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:39.520 even for you, it's like hard to talk about it 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.520 because someone else is a divorce I know. But yeah, 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.680 we all are so interested and we're so happy to 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.000 hear the healing process. It's just so much. 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:48.680 It's crazy. 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:50.400 It's so much vulnerability. 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.719 It is so much vulnerability for both parties. Yeah. Yeah, 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.040 like someone else telling a story that you can't really 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.680 control how they sell it and the other way around. Yeah, 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.120 he had put out Morgan had put out this song 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.200 called over for You, and so that spread kel seeming 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.160 like oh shit, I need to like say my side. 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:07.719 Yeah, and he. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.520 Put out like movies too, yeah, videos or something. Yeah. 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:13.880 I know. It's so crazy. It's so crazy. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.680 Like I'm in this phase of life where it's like 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.960 I'm married, have a kid, I have friends who are 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.640 married have kids, and like divorces are starting to happen. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.240 Divorce is so common, it's crazy. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.760 It's so weird, though, when you see it, when you're 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:27.960 living it, when you're first hand to it, because it's 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.360 like you always hear about it, and then you hear 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.320 about you know, kids growing up, divorced family. Oh and 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.520 like even one of the songs she talks about, how 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:39.040 is it penthouse or whatever, she's like, you know, you're 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.080 just gonna say, I'm like my parents, you know, and 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:42.400 like then I'm just giving up too soon. 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.200 And it's just like all these things. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:48.440 But it's like, to divorce is hard enough, but then 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:52.400 to be on a platform like her singing it out 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:53.599 loud for everyone to weigh in. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.839 You're right, it could have just gone so many ways. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:57.680 It could have really backfired. 0:05:58.040 --> 0:05:59.680 Yeah, but she just was so ready. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.599 She's already and she's such a good writer. Yeah, I mean, 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.359 she's such a she's one of the greatest songwriters in 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.680 this town artist or not, like just point blank and 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:12.280 so yeah, it was it was just like a treat, 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:16.359 honestly to like watch her, you know, dive. 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.960 To the bottom of her soul. Yeah, and just like. 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:20.839 That's very artistry. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.400 That's so that's really true artistry, and that's a rare 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.599 thing in this town honestly, to. 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.400 Just share like that absolutely with no boundaries. 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.880 Yeah, no boundaries and have it actually work? 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.120 And I think don't you think that's probably why it 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:34.599 did work? 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:39.760 Yeah, honestly, Yeah, and like that those raw, like intimate 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.119 details that like you would never know, you know, people 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.200 like you love that shit, I know. 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.200 And then y'all came back and added a song, the 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:47.240 Healing version. 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.760 Yep, the Yeah, what was that interlude? 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.720 Was interlude? Because that was people were like dying for 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:54.719 that to be a full song. 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.200 It was just like a shorty little. 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:57.680 So what was interlude? Originally? 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.599 It was just it was like shorter, It was like 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.720 maybe thirty or forty seconds long. It was just kind 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.200 of like a little interlude type thing, like kind of more. 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.520 Like drake vibes. And then people like loved it and 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.600 so we just like kind of expounded on it. 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.360 And then made like the whole marriage was like an interlude. Yeah, right, 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.680 is that kind of like the especially name of it? 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:17.440 Yeah, she was. 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.880 There's a line that's like forever it's just the interload 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:20.520 or something like that. 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:21.600 I'm like, that's crazy. 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.840 Oh okay, So tell me about you, Like, how did 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.440 you get to Nashville? How did you become a songwriter? 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.440 Did you originally want to be an artist? 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.000 Like? Where are you from? 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:32.560 Tell me? 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:34.320 Tell me the sax story. 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:38.240 So originally from California, Northern California area. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.400 Okay, yeah, okay if you went from the Bay Area 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.560 like or like you love the Bay Area? 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.920 I love the Bay but we're rare. We don't leave. 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.280 Why'd you leave from follow my dreams? Baby? 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.520 Because you're gonna be music. Did you know you're a songwriter? Yeah? 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.200 I always wanted to be a songwriter. Actually, did you 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:54.200 up too music? 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:54.800 Yeah? 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.560 I mean I would like write songs on tupperware and shit. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.120 You know, Hey, what's your family like? 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:00.680 Chiropractors? 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.200 I love chiropractors. My grandfather's a chiropractor. I can't live 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.520 without chiropractical treatment. I say it's a blessing and a 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.240 curse because once you start, you can't stop. 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.400 Yeah, I haven't been going. I needed to probably find someone. 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.520 Do you have a recommendation A great Yeah? 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.240 The spot I'll just I'll give you a shout. It's 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.520 called Exodus in print Wood. They're amazed. And also the 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.400 spine Shop in East Nashville's amazing. 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:21.680 Oh okay, I live by there. 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.400 The spine shop, it's in a little shopping center. Yeah, 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.120 it's great. Okay, doctor Grande. What's up, doctor Grande? 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.520 Yeah? Okay, but once you how are you. 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.079 Living without chiropractor treatment? Because like I can't go more 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.400 than a month. Really, my neck walks up. 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.560 I mean I need it. Probably I'm just like sitting 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:38.600 like a shrimp. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.080 Did you get adjustments all the time growing up? Like weekly? 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:43.360 Daily? Probably? Like weekly? 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.040 Okay, what's a like having a chiropractor? 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.760 Yeah, they like met in chiropractic college and stuff. 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:50.560 Yeah, and then they just started a clinic. 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.520 Yeah. Well so they're a Canadian. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.400 They they met in Canada, and then my mom was 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.240 like selling her practice and then my dad was like 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.240 interested in buying it. This was like early days, like 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.959 so cup started out, but he didn't actually want to 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:03.640 buy it. He was just like flirting with her and 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.319 like wanted to Like that's a big flirt, Yeah, big flirt. 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:08.360 Like leading her on, like about to buy your practice, 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:08.640 come on. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:09.280 Yeah. 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.120 And then so she was like I'm out here. I'm 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.360 like moving to the West Coast from Canada. Yeah, she 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:14.920 like wanted to move to organ and so my dad 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:15.560 just like followed her. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:16.880 Good choice. Organ Why. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.679 I think she was just like nature and like it 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:20.400 wasn't as cold. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.360 Your parents are nature people. Yeah, well they're obviously very 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:24.880 holistic to chariapactic. 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:25.200 They are. 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.000 So did you grow up with the holistic background? Oh? 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:28.120 Yeah, organic food? 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.200 It was it was nice looking back, but like I 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:32.840 like didn't get like that much junk food. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:34.680 I'm like, are you so pure and healthy? Are you 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:35.559 still organic? 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:36.560 Yeah? 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:37.960 You do? Do you feel great? 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.320 I mean, I don't want love the idea of eating pesticides, 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:43.400 but I know. 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:44.760 But how do you avoid them? Like? Where do you show? 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.120 You know? I mean, I mean I just go to 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.440 like turnip Trucker, Whole Foods or something. But I mean 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:49.320 if you go out to eat. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.600 You're kind of screwed. You're eating organic. I go out 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.480 to eat all the time. So I'm like, how organic 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:53.840 am I? 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:54.120 You know? 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:55.520 I know, but at least you know how? 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.480 Yeah? Do I do it? I do it sometimes? 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:58.520 Stuff? Do you cook a lot? 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.040 Yeah? But I have like my go tos. I don't 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:02.320 really like adventure. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.080 Yeah, because it's hard to do much work. It's too 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:05.360 much work. Man. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.360 It is not about to like suck up some short ribs, 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:08.839 you know, right? Do eat? 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:09.360 You eat meat? 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:09.760 Yeah? 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:11.800 I actually went for like a two week stint where 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:13.479 I didn't eat meat in like January. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:14.599 How was it? 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:15.280 It was interesting? 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:16.040 Why'd you do that? 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.720 Just because I was like watching all these documentaries and stuff. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:19.360 Did you sad? 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.520 Yeah? And it's just like. 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.000 Cows are like the biggest contributor to global warming, Yeah, 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:31.040 which is crazy, more than like the entire transportation transportation 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:31.839 sector and stuff. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:33.240 I'm like, that's crazy. 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.079 Yeah, I know, what do we do about these big problems? 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:37.360 The big problems? 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:37.880 I get hooked? 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.280 Like I went vegetarian for a year, but then I 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.199 end up getting like twenty pounds is all I did 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.920 was eat white bread and like terrible processed food because 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:45.080 I was not a good vegetarian. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.400 Did you go vegetarian for the animals? Yeah? 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.240 Because I just got overwhelmed with the problems of the world. 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.160 How do you navigate these big problems of the world. 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.920 I know it's it's tough. Yeah, there's a lot of problems. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:11:00.000 Do Yeah, I know it's overwhelming. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:00.840 It's not good. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:02.480 Well, I guess you can write about them. 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:02.920 Yeah. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:09.319 So you grew up super organic, super aligned with your 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.960 body or your parents still together? 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.720 They are okay? Siblings, Yeah, I have a sister she's 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:16.680 five years younger than. 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:18.160 Me, And how was that? Y'all close? 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.440 We're close now, Okay. Growing up, I was definitely not 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.200 the best towards her. She was just like, I mean, 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.400 it was like an awkward age difference, you know, oh five, Yeah, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.400 it's like you're not close enough to be friends, and 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.040 then it's too far to be like, you're so cute, 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:30.320 you know. 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.040 Okay, so it. 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.200 Was like a little bit of a I was probably 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:34.960 like a little mean to her. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.280 But we've we've mended it. 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:37.720 Okay. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:38.200 That's good. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.960 You learned so much from your siblings, you know, like good, bad, ugly, 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:41.320 all of it. 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:42.400 It teaches you so many things. 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:43.480 Yeah, I love her so much. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.559 She's going to college in Columbia right now, or not Columbia, 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:48.680 like the country, New York. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.640 Okay, she's going to the college Columbia. Yeah, she's brilliant. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:54.360 That's a really hard school to get into. 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:55.960 She's like doing some like climate change shit. 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.320 You're to stay in the world. You're writing music, saving 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.600 the world and opening up people's hearts. 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.120 And she's just gonna get in there and like fix 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:03.840 the climate warm global warming. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.679 I mean, thank you, guys. Vanderheims Vanderheims. What would we 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.280 do without y'all seriously holding it down? I mean you're 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.840 just holding down for all of us. Thank you for that. Okay, 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.559 So you are in. 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:18.720 This beautiful Bay area of California with super organic, awesome 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:22.360 parents and living the life on the beach literally like 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:23.319 life is a dreak. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:25.719 You're like, nope, I got to go. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:26.160 Yeah. 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.440 I was like, I want to be a songwriter. 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.079 So you always grew up kind of playing music, loving music. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.240 And for some reason, I just always like I didn't 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:34.400 want to be an artist. I didn't want to be 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.000 like a musician. I didn't like I wanted to be 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:40.120 a songwriter, which is so like sniper of a direction 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:40.560 to have. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.000 That you even knew that you could do that for a job. 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:46.200 Yeah, yeah, I would like study like other writers like 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.200 Kerdia Guardi and Max Martin and like Luke Laired and 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:50.679 like a bunch of people that I didn't know that I 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.199 would ever even get to write with one day? 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:52.840 Have you wrote? 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:54.200 How is that? 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.600 Not? I mean not Max Martin, but awesome. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.040 He's coming, that will be happening next, that's coming next, 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.160 coming next to me? You or on a Grammy Award 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.720 winning Album for the Year. So I mean just saying 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:08.880 Grammy losing, Grammy losing but still nominated Grammy Award nominated 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:09.959 Album of the Year. 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.719 That's huge, especially for like the secret project. 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.600 That you'll we had no idea and I'm so glad 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.160 we didn't know because we would have had in our heads. 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:18.240 Like I'm glad that we didn't know at all. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:19.080 Yeah. 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.520 Okay, So going back to like studying songwriters, that's so 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.079 cool that even knew you could be a songwriter. Did 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:25.600 What was it like when you got to meet them 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.439 and write with them? Were you nervous or were you ready? 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.920 It was I was definitely a little nervous, Like holy shit, yeah, 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:32.319 like a little starstruck. 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:36.840 How do you get the right? Started with Kara do 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.839 you guardy? Because she was like an American idol. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.400 She was she was such a fan. I know she's famous. Yeah, 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.720 I was just like she was so cool. But we 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:45.200 actually didn't end up getting a song. 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.280 Ironically crazy, like you could be so talented and it's 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.679 like that just goes to show it doesn't matter necessarily, 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:53.400 like the song just has to come right. Is that 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:54.720 how you feel about song? Any for sure? 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.080 It could be any combination of people. Hit writers are 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.080 not hit writers. You could still write something amazing. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.600 Yeah. Yeah, songs are their own thing. Yeah, there their 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:02.440 own living creature. 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.760 They really are, and you just have to channel them. 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:05.760 It's weird. 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.200 Do you channel songs often? 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.959 Or are there times when you don't get something and 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:12.680 you know you're not getting something but it's actually turned 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:13.400 out to be something? 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.360 Or like what is your process? Like do you know 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:16.080 when you're on it? 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.760 Yeah, I would say usually, like and if I'm not 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.080 on it, I'll like, I know it's not gonna happen. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.920 You call it a day. Usually finish or will we finish? 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.400 Usually we'll finish, but I don't know. Usually you know, 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.240 kind of in the middle, like yeah, but. 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.200 I don't know. The more the more you swing the bat, 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:37.120 the more you get shit. 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:37.400 You know. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:38.960 Did that used to bum you out? Like when you 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.480 wouldn't get a song and like be like. 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:41.160 Oh, for sure. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.200 Actually, last year ironically was one of the worst creative 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:45.040 years of my life. 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:45.400 Really. 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.280 I know that this project came out last year and 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.520 like everyone was like excited about it, but like in 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.760 real time it wasn't. I wasn't like writing good songs at. 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.000