WEBVTT - Stupid Good Hockey with Nicole Haase

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain.

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<v Speaker 2>Where it snowed hard on the first day of spring

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<v Speaker 2>here in Chicago, but we all know March Madness is

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<v Speaker 2>the real sign that spring is here. Let the games begin.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Friday, March twenty first Happy Friday slices.

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<v Speaker 1>On today's show, We'll be kicking it with women's.

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<v Speaker 2>Hockey writer and co host of the Podcas podcast Nicole Hasey,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the women's NCUBLEA Hockey Tournament and tonight's Frozen

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<v Speaker 2>four matchups, the current landscape of college hockey, her favorites

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<v Speaker 2>for the Patty Kasmier Memorial Award and the unique and

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<v Speaker 2>cute way that she was introduced to the game. Plus

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<v Speaker 2>the NCAA Women's Basketball Tournament Round of sixty four tips

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<v Speaker 2>off today. A new era for rugby in America starts

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>The IOC has a new head honcho, and a women's

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<v Speaker 1>hockey what.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that'll have you shaking your head. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>coming up right after this welcome back slices. Here's what

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<v Speaker 2>you need to know today in college basketball. March Madness

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<v Speaker 2>is officially upon us. The NCAA Tournament first round begins today.

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<v Speaker 2>Games tip at eleven thirty am Eastern, first up number

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<v Speaker 2>six Michigan and number eleven Iowa State. There are sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>total contests throughout the day, wrapping up late tonight with

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<v Speaker 2>number one UCLA playing number sixteen Southern University at ten

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<v Speaker 2>pm Eastern.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll link to the full schedule of games in our.

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<v Speaker 2>Show notes and to our Good Game ESPN tournament Challenge

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<v Speaker 2>group picks lock when that first contest tips at eleven

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<v Speaker 2>thirty am Eastern, So if you're listening to this early

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday, there's still time to fill out your bracket.

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<v Speaker 2>To college hockey, the Frozen Four begins tonight with my

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<v Speaker 2>number three Cornell Big Red facing number two Ohio State

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<v Speaker 2>at five pm Eastern, followed by number four Minnesota and

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<v Speaker 2>number one Wisconsin at eight thirty pm Eastern. We'll have

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<v Speaker 2>plenty more on those games later in the show, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll put the schedule in our show notes. To rugby,

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<v Speaker 2>the women's Elite rugby season starts tomorrow. The first game

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<v Speaker 2>of the league's inaugural campaign features the New York Exiles

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<v Speaker 2>against the Boston ban Cheese on Saturday at three pm Eastern,

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<v Speaker 2>and on Sunday at two pm Eastern. The Chicago Tempest

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<v Speaker 2>hosts the Tcgemini of the Twin Cities.

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<v Speaker 1>Wondering where to watch well, good news.

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<v Speaker 2>The WER announced a partnership with de Zone yesterday, making

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<v Speaker 2>it the sole home for every match this season. Through

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<v Speaker 2>the partnership, we'll also get an exclusive midweek highlights show

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<v Speaker 2>on the network, and the best part, all matches will

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<v Speaker 2>be available live and on demand for free. Big shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to friends of the show, WER president Jessica Hammond

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<v Speaker 2>Graff and Chicago Tempest player Betty Wynn, who we had

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<v Speaker 2>on back in January during our New Year.

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<v Speaker 1>New League's Week. We're excited for you both slices.

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<v Speaker 2>Go back and check out that episode to jog your

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<v Speaker 2>memory about the WER.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll link to it in our show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>In Olympic news, Kirsty Coventry, former swimmer and winner of

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<v Speaker 2>seven of Zimbabwe's eight Olympic medals, was elected the tenth

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<v Speaker 2>President of the International Olympic Committee yesterday. She's the first

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<v Speaker 2>woman and the first African to ever hold the position

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<v Speaker 2>at the IOC. The forty one year old beat out

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<v Speaker 2>seven other people for the job, earning forty nine of

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<v Speaker 2>the committee's ninety seven votes, and will officially begin her

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<v Speaker 2>tenure on June twenty, third Olympic Day. She'll fill the

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<v Speaker 2>seat held by Thomas Bach for the last twelve years.

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<v Speaker 2>First major event under her leadership will be the Milan

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<v Speaker 2>Courtina Winner Olympics next year in Italy, less than eleven

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<v Speaker 2>months away. She'll hold office for eight years through twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thirty three. Now it's worth noting that Coventry has previously

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<v Speaker 2>indicated that she would like to see a blanket ban

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<v Speaker 2>on transgender women competing in Olympic sports, which would be

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<v Speaker 2>a change from current IOC policy, updated several years ago

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<v Speaker 2>to give each individual sport federation the ability to establish

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<v Speaker 2>their own policy. To pro hockey, the PWHL is celebrating

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<v Speaker 2>all things LGBTQ plus with the Pride Unity Games presented

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<v Speaker 2>by Elf Beauty on select dates for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the month and in April. At each contest, they'll be

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<v Speaker 2>special guests, activations, in game, tributes, and partnerships with local

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<v Speaker 2>and national LGBTQ plus organizations. The celebrations will also include

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<v Speaker 2>a sick special edition Pride Unity Game logo designed by

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<v Speaker 2>the artist Eli, a Hamilton, Ontario based queer and transgender creative.

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<v Speaker 2>The details in the logo are incredible. You've got to

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<v Speaker 2>check it out. We'll link to the PWHL site where

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<v Speaker 2>you can get more info and tickets for the Pride

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<v Speaker 2>Unity Games.

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<v Speaker 1>In our show notes, we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to take a quick break. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 2>we hit the ice with Nicole Hasey.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 3>Joining us now.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a hockey writer for us CCHO, co host of

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<v Speaker 2>the aptly named college hockey podcast The podcas an editor

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<v Speaker 2>in chief at the Victory Press, and independent publication that

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<v Speaker 2>covers women's hockey, among other sports. She's mom to Bassett

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<v Speaker 2>Hound Ripley, and she shares my love of Merrimeco Prince

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<v Speaker 2>and Alex loves them too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Nicole Hasey.

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<v Speaker 3>Hei, Nikole, Hi, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very jealous of your Merrimaco shopping trip that

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<v Speaker 2>I spotted on your Instagram. I used to have my

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<v Speaker 2>whole bathroom in La all Merrimaco flowers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that was like the first thing I did in Finland.

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<v Speaker 2>I have not yet been to Finland, but I imagine

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<v Speaker 2>if I go, it will be the first thing I

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<v Speaker 2>did too. Let's talk about how you got into covering

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<v Speaker 2>hockey in the first place.

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<v Speaker 3>So I grew up playing soccer. I was eighteen when

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<v Speaker 3>the ninety nine ers happened and felt a little like, now,

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<v Speaker 3>where have you all been? And so I didn't grow

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<v Speaker 3>up with hockey. But when my now husband and I

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<v Speaker 3>started dating, he took me to a Wisconsin men's hockey

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<v Speaker 3>game and I immediately clocked that the women's team was

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<v Speaker 3>really good, and that was like, why haven't I heard

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<v Speaker 3>anything about this? And so mostly it's I just sheer

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<v Speaker 3>stubbornness and the fact that I basically saw in hockey

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<v Speaker 3>what I had grown up with in soccer. It felt

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<v Speaker 3>like it was on a similar trajectory but hadn't gotten

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<v Speaker 3>as far down the path. And so yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 3>I started. I love the college game. I love college

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<v Speaker 3>sports more than pro in general. And so yeah, it

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<v Speaker 3>was mostly just there are Olympians over here on the

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<v Speaker 3>U or on the Wisconsin women's team, and nobody's paying

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<v Speaker 3>attention to get through like five dollars. And I just

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<v Speaker 3>was lucky enough to start watching hockey in two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and six when both the Badger men and women won

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<v Speaker 3>the national championship at the same year, which has never

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<v Speaker 3>happened before. Yeah, sheer stubborn, mad feminist energy and just

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<v Speaker 3>really seeing myselfs and wanting these players to grow up

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<v Speaker 3>differently than I did. They were covered. They want them

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<v Speaker 3>to have the coverage that wasn't there when I was younger.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>So what were you doing at the time professionally when

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<v Speaker 2>you went to that first hockey game and started to

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<v Speaker 2>think about it?

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<v Speaker 3>So I have a degree while I'm old enough that

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<v Speaker 3>I have a degree in print journalism. You know, all

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<v Speaker 3>of the other stuff were individual.

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<v Speaker 2>Different So kids, there used to be something called paper

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<v Speaker 2>and then you put writing on it and you'd read it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the stuff that you don't get paid a

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<v Speaker 3>lot to do. Those were all different majors instead of

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<v Speaker 3>one thing that a journalist does. So I've always wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to get into sports writing. Long story short, I lived

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<v Speaker 3>in New Orleans. I went to college there when King

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<v Speaker 3>Katrina hit so, I at the time had never come

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<v Speaker 3>planned to come back to Milwaukee, which is where I live,

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<v Speaker 3>and then did. And at the time, again you had

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<v Speaker 3>to work your way up on smaller papers. You kind

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<v Speaker 3>of had to pay your dues in Milwaukee. I was

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<v Speaker 3>too small a fish and too big of a pond

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<v Speaker 3>in Milwaukee, and so I was doing a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>odd jobs, and so when I started covering women's sports,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just I found someone that had a hockey

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<v Speaker 3>block and I'm like, hey, Pope, Pope, can I cover

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<v Speaker 3>the women's side, and just kind of kept with it,

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<v Speaker 3>and uh, I went full time freelance right before the pandemic, which, hilariously,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought I was diversified. I cover food, I have

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<v Speaker 3>a pastry degree, and I cover travel and I cover sports,

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<v Speaker 3>and all of those things didn't happen. So it's been

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<v Speaker 3>an interesting journey. But I'm really lucky that my husband

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<v Speaker 3>is really supportive and I get to full time freelance

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<v Speaker 3>covering women's sports.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, wait, so is it a print journal as a

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<v Speaker 2>major with a pastry miner or did the pastry degree

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<v Speaker 2>come at a different times?

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<v Speaker 3>There are separate things. Yeah, pastry. While I thought I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't going to be a journalist, it wasn't happening, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, man, I am too young to like

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<v Speaker 3>be tempting and doing something I hate. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to do something else. So I went on

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<v Speaker 3>a pastry direction and then we're my way back.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it sounds like a super fun combo.

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<v Speaker 2>Congrats on being able to freelance full time and get

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<v Speaker 2>to cover this thing that you love and add to

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<v Speaker 2>it in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really necessary.

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<v Speaker 2>Producer Alex is a huge hockey person and often talks

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<v Speaker 2>to us about the media desert around women's college hockey

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<v Speaker 2>in particular. Of course, I'm aware when I go looking

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<v Speaker 2>for stories about the p WHL that there's not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of hockey coverage. I don't often, to be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>dig into the college hockey scene. So tell me more

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<v Speaker 2>about just how few people are really doing this for

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<v Speaker 2>a living.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm the only national women's college hockey writer in

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<v Speaker 3>the country.

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<v Speaker 1>One, so one would be the answer.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one individual cities where they're you know, there are

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<v Speaker 3>people in Madison that cover Wisconsin. There are people in

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<v Speaker 3>Ithaca that cover Cornell. There are people in Boston that

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<v Speaker 3>cover the Boston schools. But generally, yeah, there aren't a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's not a career, that's not the thing paying

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<v Speaker 3>my salary being a national women's college hockey writer. But

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<v Speaker 3>for me, again, like I said, I love the college team.

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<v Speaker 3>But everybody that's in the EWHL, seriously, all but ten

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<v Speaker 3>of them went to North American colleges. A few went

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<v Speaker 3>to U Sports in Canada. But like ninety percent of

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<v Speaker 3>the women that were on PWHL rosters to start the season,

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<v Speaker 3>the preseason camps, I did not redo it once rosters

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<v Speaker 3>came out, but went into camp played NCAA hockey. Everybody

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<v Speaker 3>that plays for the US and Canada internationally, that what

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<v Speaker 3>goes to the Olympics, that plays at Worlds, those are

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<v Speaker 3>all NCAA products. So like there is a very clear

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<v Speaker 3>through line where those players are coming from. Sometimes I

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<v Speaker 3>like to joke like people think they come from the

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<v Speaker 3>cabbage patch, Like, no, no, they were playing. They're playing

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<v Speaker 3>in your backyard. You can watch them on ESPN Plus

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<v Speaker 3>or BTN plus or for a five dollars ticket you

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<v Speaker 3>could go watch these. So like the University of Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 3>that's in the Frozen four, there are five players on

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<v Speaker 3>that roster that'll be at Women's Worlds in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Month, unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 3>So for me, that's where that connection came from, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's why the college game for me, it's about getting

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<v Speaker 3>to see that development. And then like that's why I

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<v Speaker 3>was in Finland. I was covering what is essentially World

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<v Speaker 3>Juniors for women in the U eighteen World Championships. So again,

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<v Speaker 3>all of those players then play in the NCAA and

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<v Speaker 3>then move on, and increasingly more players in European countries

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<v Speaker 3>are also coming to the NCAAA, so there's a very

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<v Speaker 3>clear through line between all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the PWHL does allow for us to not

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<v Speaker 2>only watch them at the college level, but if we

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<v Speaker 2>really get attached to a great player, hopefully then follow

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<v Speaker 2>them at Worlds, at Olympics and in a professional league

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<v Speaker 2>where we can really get to watch them on a

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<v Speaker 2>regular basis. So it makes it even more important to

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<v Speaker 2>cover the college game and get to know some of

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<v Speaker 2>these players earlier, which brings us to this weekend, the

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<v Speaker 2>Frozen Four at Rutder Arena in Minneapolis, Minnesota. You're about

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<v Speaker 2>to hit the road and drive to Minnesota. I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 2>how many Frozen Fours you've covered. Have you counted them?

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<v Speaker 3>I believe this will be my tenth. That is, accepting

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<v Speaker 3>that there wasn't one in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>When Cornell would have won just both the men's and

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<v Speaker 2>women's I'm just putting it out there. If the season

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<v Speaker 2>gets ended right in the middle and you're both the

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<v Speaker 2>number one team in the country, you are both considered champions. Forever,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what we're putting in the books as far

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<v Speaker 2>as I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it would have been you know, as I said,

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<v Speaker 3>Wisconsin did, because it would have been the second time

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<v Speaker 3>they were both number one teams in the country. That's

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<v Speaker 3>why it's exciting that Cornell's there again this year. It's

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<v Speaker 3>taken a little bit of time, but that was such

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<v Speaker 3>a heartbreaking season for them and sort of such a

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<v Speaker 3>lost opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so ten probably Frozen fours, which is incredible. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to get to those matchups, but I want to

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<v Speaker 2>start with something else that happens during the Frozen four weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the Patty Kasmier Award handed out your podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>the Podcaz obviously a nod to that award. It's presented

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<v Speaker 2>annually to the top player in NCAA Division One women's

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<v Speaker 2>ice hockey, and it does take consideration for character, sportsmanship,

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<v Speaker 2>some other qualities too.

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<v Speaker 1>My first question, and you might not have an answer

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<v Speaker 1>to this, but have.

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<v Speaker 2>You heard ever of a player that was by far

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<v Speaker 2>the best player and didn't win because of character, sportsmanship

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<v Speaker 2>and other considerations.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't say by far, but I do think that

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<v Speaker 3>it comes into the conversation. I've served on the committee

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<v Speaker 3>for the Patty Kaz twice their two year service however

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<v Speaker 3>you want to call it. But I so last year

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<v Speaker 3>was the second of two that I did, so I

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<v Speaker 3>am not on the committee this year. But yeah, it

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<v Speaker 3>does come up, the number of penalties, the way that

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<v Speaker 3>people act on the ice, it does come up. It

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<v Speaker 3>is part of the conversation. Particularly if you're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>players that are close to each other in stats and

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<v Speaker 3>things like that, then you might start talking more about

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<v Speaker 3>great point averages and character and what they do in

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<v Speaker 3>the community and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting we've had conversations in other sports about whether

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<v Speaker 2>that should be a part of what you're deciding.

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<v Speaker 1>I am of the opinion, and maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>This is because I got a yellow card every single

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<v Speaker 2>game of my senior year in field hockey, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just think that doesn't mean you're a bad person, you're

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<v Speaker 2>just aggressive.

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<v Speaker 1>But I feel like there should be a.

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<v Speaker 2>Separate award for best player, and then a separate award

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<v Speaker 2>for best person, great for the game, good sportsmanship. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the NHL there's an MVP and then there's award

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<v Speaker 2>for like the good guy. It feels sort of weird

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<v Speaker 2>to combine the two. It feels very like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>women's sports like everybody should have fun.

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<v Speaker 3>It does feel that way. And you know, women's hockey

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<v Speaker 3>became an nc sport in the two thousand and two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand one season, and I do feel like that's very

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<v Speaker 3>women's sports in two thousand coded right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she believes cup esque in its approach.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there is there's a Hockey Humanitarian Award that

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<v Speaker 3>crosses over men's and women's college hockey and that is

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<v Speaker 3>given out and so, yeah, it does. It does feel

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<v Speaker 3>like that could use an update. I will say that

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<v Speaker 3>this is an award that was started by USA Hockey,

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<v Speaker 3>which otherwise is not particularly involved in NCAA hockey trading.

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<v Speaker 3>They started this, and so it is their set of

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<v Speaker 3>rules that you're supposed.

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<v Speaker 2>To and yet it's the biggest, most known one. And

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<v Speaker 2>I get the impression that probably most of the time

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<v Speaker 2>it goes to the one that's the best player, and

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<v Speaker 2>it takes a lot for that to be knocked out

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<v Speaker 2>by the other qualities for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and generally it's when you're narrowing it down, like

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<v Speaker 3>generally there's one player that sort of stands out ahead

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<v Speaker 3>but when you're narrowing it down to like, should this

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<v Speaker 3>be a person that we're even talking about, because when

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<v Speaker 3>we get down to ten, and that's when the committee meets,

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<v Speaker 3>we go through it alphabetically. You mentioned, you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen them play in here, what you know, opposing coaches,

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<v Speaker 3>whoever's on the committee, we will talk about it and that's

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes up. And so I almost wonder if

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<v Speaker 3>it's like that person even gets taken out of the

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<v Speaker 3>discussion when that's there interesting, so they might not even

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<v Speaker 3>make it to the next part.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So we've got three finalists all from the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Wisconsin this year, Laila Edwards, Casey O'Brien, and Caroline

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<v Speaker 2>aka KK Harvey.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it rare to have three finalists from one squad? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's only happened one other time. There is a University

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<v Speaker 3>of Minnesota squad that had an undefeated season and that

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<v Speaker 3>season three of their players were Petticas Top three finalists.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, it's pretty rare.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what do each of these candidates bring to

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<v Speaker 2>the table. How is this decision going to be made?

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<v Speaker 1>You think?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that it's going to be interesting, particularly going

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<v Speaker 3>back to what you asked me, I'm the only national

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<v Speaker 3>person that covers this, and coaches are, you know, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of busy coaching their own things. So when you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, some what someone's done for a whole season,

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<v Speaker 3>there aren't a ton of people that watch all of

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<v Speaker 3>those games, and so stats are a really high part

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<v Speaker 3>of sort of deciding who this is and who wins it,

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<v Speaker 3>and who are the people like it, I think even nominated.

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<v Speaker 3>But Casey O'Brien leads the country in points. She's had

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<v Speaker 3>not just a really good season, but a historic season.

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<v Speaker 3>She broke Hillary Nights all time scoring record at Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 3>for a career.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Casey does have is in her fifth year, but at

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<v Speaker 3>this point she had I think like ten points her

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<v Speaker 3>freshman year. It was the adjusted twenty one two twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty one season, So at this point the fifth year

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<v Speaker 3>is definitely gonna be an asterisk. But I to me,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a little bit of a mood point. She just

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<v Speaker 3>she was one of the best players in the country

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<v Speaker 3>last year, arguably could have won the Patty last year,

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<v Speaker 3>and went out and did a better job this year.

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<v Speaker 3>She's really good on face offs, which Wisconsin is a

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<v Speaker 3>puck possession team, so face offs are just super crucial.

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<v Speaker 3>She's got great hockey IQ and vision, and she's just

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<v Speaker 3>as good on defense as she is on offense. She's

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna like chase the player down, but she's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>go back there in block shots and be a part

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<v Speaker 3>of that part of the game. So in hockey a

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred foot player, KK Harvey's probably, if not the

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<v Speaker 3>best defender in the world, one of the best. At

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<v Speaker 3>twenty one, she's already been to an Olympics, she's about

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<v Speaker 3>to get her fifth World championship team. She has gaudy

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<v Speaker 3>offensive numbers, but that's not the only reason she's good.

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<v Speaker 3>She's actually a really great defender and that's what leads

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<v Speaker 3>to her being able to be a great offensive threat.

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<v Speaker 3>So she's just she can recover, She angles players out

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<v Speaker 3>so they can't come in at the net. She if

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<v Speaker 3>she makes mistakes, she's going to make up for it.

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<v Speaker 3>She's this really great hybrid player where she doesn't lose

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<v Speaker 3>on either part of her game at either end of

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<v Speaker 3>the ice. And she's just again, she's twenty one, she's

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<v Speaker 3>technically a junior. It's amazing to think of what her

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<v Speaker 3>ceiling can be. She's a player that at the twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two Olympics didn't get a lot of playing time.

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<v Speaker 3>And with the Chiane Jigo coaches really got confidence put

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<v Speaker 3>in her from the new coaching team and told her

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<v Speaker 3>not to worry about making mistakes, and it's just really

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<v Speaker 3>opened up her game. And then Leyla Edwards was the

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<v Speaker 3>first black woman to ever play in the senior US

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<v Speaker 3>national team. She's the reigning US National Player of the

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<v Speaker 3>Year from USA Hockey. She's nearly six foot, She's got

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<v Speaker 3>this massive long reach and what she can do. She

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<v Speaker 3>grew up as a figure skater. Considering her size, she's

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<v Speaker 3>just got a lot of finesse, and she's really deft

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<v Speaker 3>and has an eye for the net and also just

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<v Speaker 3>has a massive shot. And so she and Casey play

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<v Speaker 3>on the first line together with Kirsten Sis scary yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>who was one of the top three last year. And

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<v Speaker 3>so they're all really good together. And Wisconsin's got this massive,

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<v Speaker 3>deep squad and even if you take away like some

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<v Speaker 3>of their blowout games and things like that, they're still

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<v Speaker 3>leading the country with these massively good numbers. Casey is

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<v Speaker 3>you know, she's breaking She's in the record books. And

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<v Speaker 3>because of the early years in hockey we've had like

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<v Speaker 3>much more disparity where women were putting up one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty point seasons. Some of those are never going

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<v Speaker 3>to be broken. But Casey's in the top five or

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<v Speaker 3>ten for like ever in women's hockey. She's were the

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<v Speaker 3>first eighty point season since alex Hertwiner did it.

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<v Speaker 2>So starting to understand why Wisconsin was thirty six one

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<v Speaker 2>and two on the season and comes into this tournament.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one is it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know we sometimes talk about in certain sports how

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<v Speaker 2>one position dominates the MVP award, the quarterback, for instance

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<v Speaker 2>in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the case for the CAZ Do you call

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<v Speaker 1>it the CAZ?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it is, in that it's almost all forwards. There's

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<v Speaker 3>only two defenders that have won it. Sophie Jakes, who

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<v Speaker 3>is you know, doing it a big in the PWHL,

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<v Speaker 3>and then Angelo Rouguieriro way back in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Day, decent player, angela decent player.

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<v Speaker 3>And Casey has put up I'm sorry, KK has put

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<v Speaker 3>up better numbers than both of those two in the

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<v Speaker 3>years that they won. So historically it's just she's she's

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<v Speaker 3>having a heck of a season and yeah, so it

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<v Speaker 3>tends to be forward. It's not necessarily a wing versus

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<v Speaker 3>a center. But yeah, and I think only two or

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<v Speaker 3>three goalies have also won it. We now have a

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<v Speaker 3>Goalie of the Year award. It's only two or three

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<v Speaker 3>years old. We didn't before, so now goalies tend to

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<v Speaker 3>not be.

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<v Speaker 1>A place for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, okay, So you're not on the board to

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<v Speaker 2>choose this and you didn't research it, but just out

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<v Speaker 2>of curiosity, if you had a vote, where would it go?

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<v Speaker 3>I think my vote is for Casey O'Brien.

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<v Speaker 1>Though.

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<v Speaker 3>When I wrote up for Victory Press, like who I

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<v Speaker 3>thought the case for each player, and man, I was

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<v Speaker 3>ready to go for a wall for KK Harvey once

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<v Speaker 3>I finished, Right, yeah, that was like, come on, and

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<v Speaker 3>she's great. Yeah, but Casey just has really gotten better

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<v Speaker 3>throughout her career. She's really proven that, like she's a

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<v Speaker 3>master of the craft, right, Like whatever she's not as

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<v Speaker 3>good at, she's put in time in and up and

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<v Speaker 3>down the board, and as a captain, she's just she's

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<v Speaker 3>really led that team in the eighty some point season.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to argue with It's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you don't want to hold it against her, But

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<v Speaker 2>then at the same time. It's like when it's so

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<v Speaker 2>rare for a defender to get to that level, they're

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<v Speaker 2>even close, you almost want to give it the nudge. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get to the games. A little history first though,

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<v Speaker 2>for those who might not be aware, Ohio State beat

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<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin last year. So Ohio State's the reigning champs and

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<v Speaker 2>those two teams have won the last five titles that

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<v Speaker 2>were contested.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you explain the.

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<v Speaker 2>Stranglehold that Ohio State and Wisconsin have on this championship?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure? And I'll go back a little further because Ohio

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<v Speaker 3>State made their first Frozen four in twenty eighteen, so

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<v Speaker 3>you hear big ten school, but they did not put

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<v Speaker 3>any effort into their women's hockey program until the last

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<v Speaker 3>seven or eight years. So when you talk about that

0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.440
<v Speaker 3>and having a stringlehold, they do. But that is a

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<v Speaker 3>fully new situation, which is crazy. And also the last

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<v Speaker 3>two games were like one nothing games, and so those

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<v Speaker 3>two teams are just really loaded. Last year, Ohio State

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<v Speaker 3>had used the transfer portal really well and brought in

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of older talent players that had been wanting

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<v Speaker 3>to win national championships and weren't looking to do that

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<v Speaker 3>at their The CURRK schools and they moved to Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, those two two very different styles of coaching.

0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:32.119
<v Speaker 3>Nadie Musral at Ohio State is fiery, she's she's divisive,

0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.520
<v Speaker 3>but she gets the best out of her players, and

0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.760
<v Speaker 3>the players respect the heck out of her. And she's

0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:40.240
<v Speaker 3>a tough cookie, but there her teams deliver. And so

0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.359
<v Speaker 3>she's the one that really led the turnaround and forced

0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.600
<v Speaker 3>Ohio State to start paying attention to their program and

0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:49.760
<v Speaker 3>put money into its work and it's working. So they

0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:54.320
<v Speaker 3>are Wisconsin's one loss this year, and you know, for them,

0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.000
<v Speaker 3>they're having Ohio State is having a down ish year, right,

0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.640
<v Speaker 3>Like it's all relative, uh, in terms of like more

0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:01.560
<v Speaker 3>loss than they had in the past. It's a somewhat

0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.800
<v Speaker 3>younger team this year. But you know, Wisconsin's coach is

0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:09.000
<v Speaker 3>Mark Johnson. They are historically good programed, they get top recruits,

0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.520
<v Speaker 3>they get people that want to stay, and you know,

0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:16.240
<v Speaker 3>it's just been those two teams sort of playing chess

0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:17.400
<v Speaker 3>for the last few seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, let's get to these matchups this weekend. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>start with Wisconsin and Minnesota. What's the biggest thing to

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<v Speaker 2>watch for in terms of either styles or strengths or

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<v Speaker 2>what will probably decide this game.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh goodness. When those two tapes play, they call it

0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.520
<v Speaker 3>a border battle. They've already played five times this year.

0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:37.119
<v Speaker 3>It's the first time ever Wisconsin has swept Minnesota. That

0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:40.400
<v Speaker 3>being said, Minnesota has had a massive postseason and they're

0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:41.960
<v Speaker 3>playing at home. They get to play at their home

0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.600
<v Speaker 3>rank as the number four seed. Those sites are planned

0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:47.920
<v Speaker 3>way in advance, just like every other you know, postseason,

0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.120
<v Speaker 3>and so they merely made a push to get there.

0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:53.400
<v Speaker 3>What you will see it is not necessarily pretty hockey,

0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:55.439
<v Speaker 3>and that is because they are so well matched and

0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:57.560
<v Speaker 3>know each other so well that they're going to force

0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:59.280
<v Speaker 3>each other out of their game plan. So it's about

0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:04.120
<v Speaker 3>who adapts the best. Una Minnesota has Abbie Murphy, who

0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:06.639
<v Speaker 3>is on the US national team. She's someone that a

0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:08.040
<v Speaker 3>lot of people like. She's the type of player that

0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:09.520
<v Speaker 3>if she's on your team, you love her, and if

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.000
<v Speaker 3>she's on the other team, you hate her. She's scrappy,

0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:18.359
<v Speaker 3>she is mouthy, she's pushy. She uh, she's Southside of Chicago, Sarah.

0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:22.920
<v Speaker 3>She's all there you go. Her brothers were wrestlers, so yeah,

0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.119
<v Speaker 3>she's just she's a past and also just one of

0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:27.840
<v Speaker 3>the best players in the game. She scored to wrap

0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:29.919
<v Speaker 3>her own goal last week in the quarterfinals. That was

0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:30.840
<v Speaker 3>stupid good.

0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:32.720
<v Speaker 1>I saw that. That was sick.

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<v Speaker 3>How she goes is how Minnesota goes. They aren't as

0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:39.879
<v Speaker 3>deep as Wisconsin, and so if Wisconsin can sort of

0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.840
<v Speaker 3>shut her down, it really requires Minnesota the rest of

0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.440
<v Speaker 3>their forwards to step up, which they definitely have done

0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:48.200
<v Speaker 3>at times, but it's not necessarily a given. So these

0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:51.639
<v Speaker 3>two played for their conference title two weeks ago, and

0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.200
<v Speaker 3>Wisconsin scored in the final twenty four seconds to win

0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:58.840
<v Speaker 3>that game one nothing, no, four to three four four three.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So it was a back forth but still came

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<v Speaker 2>down to the last thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you've given us a couple Wisconsin players and

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<v Speaker 2>a great Minnesota player. Is there a story from either

0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:10.800
<v Speaker 2>one of these teams that will have in the back

0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.520
<v Speaker 2>of our minds when we're watching, either a player's personal

0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 2>story or something about the team that's interesting.

0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Minnesota is a historically really strong program in Lean Talcke,

0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 3>but has not been over the last seven ish years.

0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:28.080
<v Speaker 3>It's just they had a really great run and they

0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:29.879
<v Speaker 3>haven't been there yet. So for them, This is all

0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.199
<v Speaker 3>about sort of that return to glory and getting to

0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 3>do it at home, being on home ice. They are

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:37.600
<v Speaker 3>obviously still a really good team. They were number four

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.560
<v Speaker 3>in the country coming in, but the standard there is different.

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.720
<v Speaker 3>They have a freshman goalie who was not their starter

0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:45.399
<v Speaker 3>to start the year and she's come in and just

0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:47.560
<v Speaker 3>played really strong. So for them, I think it's about

0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:51.400
<v Speaker 3>that sort of replacing Minnesota at the top of the heap.

0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:55.440
<v Speaker 3>Wisconsin is a one lost team, has all these superstars

0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 3>like for them, it is a championship or bust, and

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:00.240
<v Speaker 3>I think if they don't win, it will just be

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:03.520
<v Speaker 3>all about sort of that missed opportunity. So there is

0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 3>just a ton of pressure with that. Yeah, and their

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 3>goalies only a sophomore. She is, however, that was named

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:13.480
<v Speaker 3>her first US national team for the upcoming worlds Avian McNaughton.

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:15.639
<v Speaker 3>She's very good. Wisconsin. It's about their depth and just

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:17.960
<v Speaker 3>what they all bring and it's just like they could

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.400
<v Speaker 3>have this amazing season and if they won't, they don't

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.160
<v Speaker 3>win the title. I don't know that anybody. Don't talk

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 3>about it again.

0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Right right, Yeah, quick question for you about goalies, And

0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:30.240
<v Speaker 2>I started like early in my career covering the Chicago Blackhawks.

0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:32.360
<v Speaker 2>So I was doing hockey from the start, and I've

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:35.679
<v Speaker 2>asked us throughout the years, never really truly getting the

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.879
<v Speaker 2>best answer or an answer that satisfies me about how

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:42.040
<v Speaker 2>the goalie position can be the most in flux. You

0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:44.399
<v Speaker 2>can have a goalie for most of the season and

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:46.680
<v Speaker 2>then another steps in and they quote unquote stand on

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:48.440
<v Speaker 2>their head, which is what we love to say about

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:51.720
<v Speaker 2>goalies playing well and they could take over, or midway

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 2>through a postseason, a goalie that hasn't played most of

0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 2>the season can step in and end up running the

0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:58.919
<v Speaker 2>table for the rest of the games. How does that

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:01.119
<v Speaker 2>happen and why does that happen? Been at the goalie

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:01.959
<v Speaker 2>position in hockey?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I honestly, it's part of just like that

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 3>they're that different breed. They prepared differently. They are because

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:11.200
<v Speaker 3>they know that they could go in at any time,

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.720
<v Speaker 3>Like the third string goalie is preparing like they're going

0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:15.679
<v Speaker 3>to start heading into a game, and they're doing that

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 3>the whole season long. And when you're on the bench,

0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:19.960
<v Speaker 3>it's a bit like being at the back of the

0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.479
<v Speaker 3>ice where you can see everything happening in front of you,

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.159
<v Speaker 3>and so they are, they're students of the game in

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 3>that way, So I do think that's some of it.

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I think there's something to be said about

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 3>kind of always feeling like you need to be prepared

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 3>and being prepared to play that game even though the

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 3>chance of you actually stepping on the ice is one

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 3>per second.

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 2>And I wonder if it's also like, not specifically the yips,

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 2>but like if there's a goalie that has a bad

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:47.920
<v Speaker 2>game or is struggling, it hits different than a forward

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>or a different position that struggles.

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 1>It feels like there's this like.

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Shift in momentum to the other goalie in a way

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:56.879
<v Speaker 2>that we don't see with like you're not going to

0:25:56.960 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 2>just pull a superstar forward that played the entire season

0:25:59.240 --> 0:25:59.600
<v Speaker 2>and then not.

0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Let them back.

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Partly also because of obviously line changes, like if they're

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 2>still struggling, they're going to be in and out as

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 2>opposed to you're not going to change your your goalie

0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 2>mid game really unless there's a serious issue, so you

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:13.119
<v Speaker 2>can't go back and forth and see if they're getting

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:16.199
<v Speaker 2>better and you know, knocking the rust off or whatever

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 2>the yips were are gone.

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I've just always found that so fascinating.

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:21.959
<v Speaker 2>Those stories you hear about someone coming in late and

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.440
<v Speaker 2>just you know, leading a team to a Stanley Cup

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 2>or something after not playing all year.

0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty wild. Okay, let's get to the other matchup.

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:32.879
<v Speaker 2>My corn Ow Big Red taking on the evil and

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 2>hated and dastardly Ohio State, which happens to be where

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.200
<v Speaker 2>one of my best friends went, Okay, what are we

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 2>watching for styles and what will decide this one?

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:47.440
<v Speaker 3>So Ohio State Nadine Mazarral describes her team as relentless.

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 3>They are a team, particularly this year, that might get

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:53.639
<v Speaker 3>scored upon early, but they are they kind of it

0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:55.640
<v Speaker 3>will start to skap down heill, and it's like if

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:57.920
<v Speaker 3>they get one that it's going to come in bunches

0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:00.240
<v Speaker 3>once they sort of, you know, break the sealing that

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:02.399
<v Speaker 3>they are, like I said, a little young. They have

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 3>joy done upfront again another US national team player, big player,

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 3>great at finding space in front of the net and

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:11.479
<v Speaker 3>sort of planting herself. But they just they come with speed.

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:13.679
<v Speaker 3>They really love to be in transition. They come through

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.400
<v Speaker 3>the neutral zone fast. They will just sort of turn

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:18.719
<v Speaker 3>that game around, you know, go from defense to office

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:20.679
<v Speaker 3>really quickly, and you have to be prepared for it.

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.960
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a very different style than Cornell plays. Again,

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 3>they're not traditional conferences in hockey, but so Cornell plays

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 3>in the ECAC and the other three teams are all

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.679
<v Speaker 3>in the w CCHA, and so stylistically that's just going

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 3>to be a different matchup. Cornell's coach is Doug Dara

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.240
<v Speaker 3>is a Canadian national team coach, and he focuses on

0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 3>their defense, so unsurprising that team is very good on defense.

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 3>They also have a top three goalie for the Goalie

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 3>of the Award and annalis Bergmann. She's a goalie that

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 3>is played with some men's teams semi professionally. She's just

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:56.160
<v Speaker 3>she's a big, strong player, tall, yes, sees the ice

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:59.359
<v Speaker 3>really well, covers her crease really well, and so that

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 3>is going to be an interesting matchup. I'm not sure

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.680
<v Speaker 3>there are a ton of other goalies that Ohio State

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 3>is seen like that, But interestingly, we normally don't get

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 3>a ton of intra conference. These two plans played back

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 3>in October and Ohio State one seven three, but they're

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 3>very different teams now and so I'm not sure how

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 3>much I would take away from that. And that was

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:20.400
<v Speaker 3>a close game. Well into the third period, and then

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 3>Ohio State did what I said before and sort of

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 3>scores bunches. So I think Cornell has to find that

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:28.880
<v Speaker 3>balance between very being very good defensively but not giving

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:31.919
<v Speaker 3>up the ability to be offensive and try and score.

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:34.639
<v Speaker 3>If they're just only playing defense, that that's just not

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 3>gonna work for them. But they're gonn they need to

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 3>try and slow Ohio State down. Cornell is different offensively,

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 3>It's not gonna be that overwhelming. They're gonna pass, They're

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 3>gonna have some good shots from the blue line. Some

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:51.240
<v Speaker 3>of their forwards are younger as well, Abby Lindsay Avar

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 3>Abby Adams. So those are the players that I'll be

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 3>watching for. But it might be Amilely's Bergman versus the

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Ohio State offense. Now on uh yeah.

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 2>You mentioned the difference between the e C A C

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 2>and the n C HC styles. Can you sort of

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 2>sum up why they're different. It's w C h A Sorry, sorry.

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Sorries.

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 3>W C H A is a very physical, much more

0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 3>sort of fights along the board, shoulders or shoulder. There's

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.719
<v Speaker 3>no right the PWJA has that little bit of contact.

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 3>There is technically no hitting in the NCAA. That does

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 3>not mean anything. Anybody who watches it will tell you

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 3>there's there's a lot of physicality to it, and then

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 3>it's about possession and really cris passing and just really

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 3>using that wid of the ice you. Mark Johnson at

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 3>Wisconsin is sort of one of the wizards of the game, right,

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 3>and so you're gonna see that in general because of that.

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.719
<v Speaker 3>No hitting, the women's game to me is more about finesse.

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 3>You're not running through somebody, you have to get around them,

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:53.719
<v Speaker 3>and so you're seeing those tape to tape passes and

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 3>things like that. E c C has gotten more physical.

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 3>But one of the problems in all of this is

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 3>the officials from different common versus officiating difference and so what.

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>And who will be calling the Frozen four.

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 3>It should be somebody that doesn't officiate either of the teams,

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 3>so it should be a completely different conference. But that

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 3>means that you have no idea what they're gonna do,

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 3>So special teams could come into it, just as play

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 3>the players figure out how the game is going to

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 3>be called. And I wish that that wasn't such a

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 3>big thing like that should not play into how any

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 3>of these games are called, but particularly in the Frozen

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 3>four in the National Championship, but here we are. Yeah,

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 3>ECAC tends to be a lot more defensive. First, you're

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 3>gonna have really strong building out of the back and

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 3>and sort of having that that core, and then the

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 3>offense kind of builds from that secondarily, and that's that's

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 3>true all hockey, but it feels like very defense first

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 3>in the ECAC.

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 1>You gave us a couple of names to watch for

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 1>on each team.

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering if there's a great story personal or team

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 2>wise from either of these or both.

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 3>For me, I think Ohio State is one of those teams,

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Like they got beat in the w CHA semifinal game

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 3>and maybe Maserel was mad in that postseason and she

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 3>wasn't mad that they lost, she was mad that they quit.

0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 3>And so that is a team that just even when

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 3>they're the top team in the country, they play with

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 3>a chip on their shoulder, and so that is something

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 3>that's just kind of always going to be the driving

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 3>like they're always going to be I think they're the

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 3>underdogs and they have something to prove.

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Number four I guess they are now.

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it makes me wonder if they like if there's

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 3>a point where if they win so many titles or what, like,

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 3>what's the point. I get it because we're still in

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 3>view of them having never played in a frozen four.

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, we're not that far removed from it. But

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 3>and for Cornell, it's that the WCCHA has won nearly

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:42.719
<v Speaker 3>all of the national championships. Clarkson's the only non WCCHA

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 3>team to have ever won a national championship, and there's

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 3>that twenty twenty you know, Cornell's sort of lost opportunity,

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 3>and so for them, it's about you know, breaking up

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 3>they're in. They're here with three WCCHA teams. To walk

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 3>out of it with the title would be you know,

0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 3>a huge thing. Wisconsin's been the toppering team for most

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 3>the season. You know, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Ohio State are

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 3>three of the top four. There's just that like, we

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:10.080
<v Speaker 3>deserve respect, we should be here for their conference and

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 3>then personally for them to sort of make up for

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 3>that twenty twenty season.

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I never knew that.

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 2>I thought for sure, like Harvard back in the day

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 2>had won it all. So there's never even been an

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 2>ivy of any kind to win.

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 3>No, it's wow, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Minnesota, Duloof, Ohio State, and

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 3>Clarkson that have won all of the titles. Yeah, Minnesota

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 3>Duluth was the powerhouse early on.

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 2>That's wild. Okay, the more you know, my great story.

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:38.959
<v Speaker 2>And I mentioned this on the show the other day,

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 2>was watching the Cornell Elite eight game or is that

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 2>what we call it in hockey?

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I think quarter final quarterfinal. Yeah.

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Rory Gilday who had a brain tumor and lost vision

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 2>in one eye, had to sit out contact sports for

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>a whole year before coming back and is still playing

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 2>at this super high level, which as someone obsessed with

0:32:58.040 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 2>the cutting edge, I was like, oh my god, it's

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 2>like Douglas Dorsey.

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>But she's still playing.

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Just a great story and what a what a badass.

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 2>So I'm keeping an eye out for her on Cornell

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:09.560
<v Speaker 2>as well. I'm curious as we're watching these games if

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 2>there are players that you think for sure we'll be

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 2>seeing in the p WHL in coming years that we

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.720
<v Speaker 2>should just jot down and say, Okay, which team are

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 2>they going to end up on and we'll be rooting

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 2>for them at the pros.

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 3>Pretty Much anybody that I've mentioned so far, so all

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 3>three of those Patty Has finalists. Casey O'Brien is a

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 3>fifth year. She'll be graduating. Abby Murphy will be graduating.

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 3>The roster is a little bit younger and so not

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 3>not necessarily immediately for some of them. Rory's a senior

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 3>and obviously just depends with with her. What's you know

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:47.720
<v Speaker 3>what the future looks like? But yeah, it's it's Lily

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Delian Das is probably the underrated person or for people

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 3>who don't pay a ton of attention to women's college hockey.

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 3>She has scored a ton of clutch goals for them.

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 3>I can see her making a difference heading into the

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 3>p WHL. Yeah, I think those are probably my top ones. Yeah.

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>What about a really great player from a team that

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 2>isn't in the Frozen four. That would be probably someone

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 2>we'd say in the pros next year.

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 3>Uh, Kulti kelton Kova from Colgate was a.

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Patchy can you say that one more?

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Tosh? Sure? Culti kelton Kova she is from Colgate. From Colgate,

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:24.800
<v Speaker 3>she's check ah, she is. She is this ECAC player

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 3>that plays a wha style of games. She's real physical,

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 3>really great on the boards, and she's someone that went

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 3>from being sort of recklessly physical and not super focused

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 3>on the finer details of the offense to sort of

0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 3>flipping that around and using her physicality, and she earned

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 3>her way onto the Czech national team rosters and things

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 3>like that. She's just a really fun player to watch

0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 3>but also just click kind of deadly with her shot.

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:53.240
<v Speaker 3>She's so what I expect to see make big splashes

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:53.840
<v Speaker 3>in the future.

0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 1>And that is the name we'll remember.

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 3>And Tessa Janicky.

0:34:56.680 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Tessa Janicky. Okay, well remember that one as well. Okay,

0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 2>last question for you, p WHL ONL. Like, the WNBA

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.399
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have a minimum age limit, so a player could

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 2>in theory declare for the draft without finishing school. Is

0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.800
<v Speaker 2>that something we might see in the future seventeen year olds?

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 2>This is the way we see fifteen sixteen year olds

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 2>in the NWSL. Or do you think finishing college and

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 2>going to college to play first will will be still

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 2>an integral part of making it to the pros.

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll throw that back to you with a little

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 3>flip in the script, which is that we are no

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.120
<v Speaker 3>longer centralizing prior to the Olympics.

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and explain to people what that.

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:33.359
<v Speaker 3>Is heading into the Olympics, US and Canada would take

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:36.839
<v Speaker 3>their roster usually somewhere between five and ten more than

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 3>we'll end up on their final roster and have a

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 3>home pod for a whole year leading up to the Olympics.

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 3>So they would train and play like local boys teams

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 3>and whatever they could, but they would all be centralized

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 3>in one locations. Players would all leave their teams collegiate

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 3>or pro, and like the players would red shirt things

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:57.799
<v Speaker 3>like that, and so we aren't doing that anymore. One

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.359
<v Speaker 3>of the reasons they did that is because the level

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 3>of play elsewhere wasn't enough to prepare the players correctly

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 3>to be ready for the Olympics. Now with the pub

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 3>they're okay with those players mostly staying with their teams,

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 3>but that leads out the collegians, and so the plan

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 3>as far as I understand it heading into twenty twenty six,

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 3>as collegians would stay with their teams but then be

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 3>gone a weekend every month as the national teams hold

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 3>like monthly camps as opposed to doing a full centralization.

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 3>So that means like could a player that would have

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 3>come back for their last year now just go ahead

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:37.400
<v Speaker 3>and go pro. For instance, Wisconsin's Lacy Eden has another

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 3>year of eligibility, but she will almost certainly be on

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 3>that national team. And for her, what's the better situation?

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:46.800
<v Speaker 3>Is it to be in college and keep playing there

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:50.800
<v Speaker 3>or is it to go to the PWHL and develop

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:54.239
<v Speaker 3>that way. One of the factors in the future for

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 3>that is just going to be if there's enough spaces,

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 3>like can you go pro and know that you're going

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:00.879
<v Speaker 3>to make a team and play their regularly to make

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 3>it worthwhile? Where is this.

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Similar to the WNBA, which was why they made that

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 2>rule because it was really hard for players to leave

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 2>college and then not find one of the one hundred

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 2>and forty four spots and BSOL and there is nil money.

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Now is that really gotten into the hockey game at

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:18.400
<v Speaker 2>these schools where it's a big deal to be on

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:19.319
<v Speaker 2>the women's hockey team.

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:22.600
<v Speaker 3>I think it is to some extent. And you know,

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 3>and there is a limit to how much peed up

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 3>players are making, so I think we are in an

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 3>interesting sort of gray area with that where those numbers

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 3>are close enough that for some teams that it's not

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 3>the draw of the peed hub isn't enough to maybe

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:37.919
<v Speaker 3>pull then they can.

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Wait, especially if they get a degree and what that

0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:41.560
<v Speaker 2>might do for them elsewhere.

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>I learned a lot Nicole. Thank you so much for

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 1>coming on. Of course, thanks for so excited to watch

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 1>these games.

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:50.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited that Cornell is back in the mix,

0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:52.840
<v Speaker 2>and good luck on the drive.

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:55.719
<v Speaker 1>We look forward to reading your coverage from the Frozen four.

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.

0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:00.840
<v Speaker 1>We have to take it out the break when we

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:01.359
<v Speaker 1>come back.

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 2>What the Fact, Jack, Welcome back slices. It's time for

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 2>another What the Fact. Okay, so we've kind of gushed

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 2>about all things women's college hockey on this show, but

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 2>we do have a bone to pick. The women's NCAA

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 2>tournament field is comprised of just eleven teams, but on

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:34.240
<v Speaker 2>the men's side, sixteen teams make it to the Big Skate.

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Any idea why, Well, here's the gist.

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Up until twenty twenty one, only eight teams competed in

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the top level NCBA Women's Hockey tournament, which combines divisions

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.760
<v Speaker 2>one and two, while the men's tournament has long featured

0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 2>sixteen Division one teams. Got that, so eight teams for

0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 2>the women and sixteen teams for the men, a huge disparity.

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:54.880
<v Speaker 1>For years, those.

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Involved with the women's game had been calling on decision

0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.799
<v Speaker 2>makers to expand the women's tournament size, and in the

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:02.760
<v Speaker 2>fall of twenty twenty one, that call was finally answered,

0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:06.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of. In response to the March Madness gender equality

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:09.759
<v Speaker 2>debates sparked by Sedona Prince and others that year around basketball,

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 2>the law firm Kaplan, Hecker and Fink, LLP published a

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 2>report commissioned by the NCAA to review gender inequality within

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 2>all NCAA tournaments. The report detailed just how unequal the

0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:22.880
<v Speaker 2>women's and men's hockey tournaments were, with the main stat

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 2>focusing on disparate participation opportunities. At the time, forty one

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:29.880
<v Speaker 2>institutions sponsored women's hockey at the D one or D

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 2>two level, meaning just nineteen point five percent of teams

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 2>qualified for the eight team NCAA tournament. In comparison, sixty

0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 2>schools sponsored D one men's hockey with sixteen teams qualifying,

0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:43.879
<v Speaker 2>So that's twenty six point seven percent of men's teams

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 2>earning a spot nineteen point five twenty.

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Six point seven.

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.240
<v Speaker 2>So with that participation stat top of mind, the argument

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 2>for a larger women's hockey tournament seemed to write itself,

0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:57.200
<v Speaker 2>but the NCAA responded with a weird ass tournament bracket.

0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 2>That's the definition of malicious compliance. The NCAA essentially said, okay,

0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 2>if about twenty seven percent of men's teams qualify for

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 2>the tournament, then we'll have twenty seven percent of women's

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 2>teams qualify too.

0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Here's the problem.

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 2>When you calculate what twenty seven percent of forty one

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 2>women's college hockey programs is, you get eleven teams. So

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 2>instead of expanding from eight teams to a much more

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 2>traditional twelve team bracket, which makes sense and would have

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.919
<v Speaker 2>represented twenty nine percent of women's teams, a whole two

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:28.920
<v Speaker 2>percentage points more than the men's participation rate, the nc

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:32.799
<v Speaker 2>DOUABLEA instead introduced an eleven team bracket in twenty twenty two,

0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 2>a format that's been used ever since. You try to

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Okie kept it simple when she summed up her bracket, saying,

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0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:32.880
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<v Speaker 2>US Olympic Gymnastics team. She also asks for bonus points

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<v Speaker 2>for using orange highlighter to fill out her picks. You know,

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.279
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<v Speaker 2>your head's at, Pamela, you do get bonus points. We're

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 2>just not sure where you use them. Since you all participated,

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:54.880
<v Speaker 2>we figured we should share our picks too, So Alex Mesh,

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<v Speaker 2>who have you guys?

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<v Speaker 4>Dubbed the greatest team of all time. For me, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>it's got to be the Houston comments. I mean, how

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<v Speaker 4>do you compete with four straight championships in the first

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<v Speaker 4>four years of the WNBA. I don't house wait, don't,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't get it, especially when no other team has

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<v Speaker 4>been able to touch that feet. We've seen some great teams,

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<v Speaker 4>but nobody else has done it to this day. It's

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<v Speaker 4>got to be the comments.

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<v Speaker 5>Mm hmm. It's such a good one that I was

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<v Speaker 5>very tempted to go with it myself, but I let

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<v Speaker 5>meshe call Dibbs, and I decided to go with Carrie

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<v Speaker 5>Well Schennings and Misty May, trainer the beach volleyball players.

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<v Speaker 5>And for me, it's not just that they won three

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<v Speaker 5>Olympic gold medals. It is that during those three Olympic runs,

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<v Speaker 5>they only dropped one set, which it's basically like having

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<v Speaker 5>three gold medals in soccer without ever conceding a goal.

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<v Speaker 5>Just absolutely wild. So yep, Misty May and Carrie you're

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<v Speaker 5>my team.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen them live a handful of times and they

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<v Speaker 2>are at they were absolutely dominant. Both good answers, in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>any answer on the board really would be good, especially

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<v Speaker 2>the trifecta featuring Sarah Span, Jing McMann and Kate Pagan,

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<v Speaker 2>But I kind of took the youth of the WNBA

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<v Speaker 2>into account With the commets, it just felt easier to

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<v Speaker 2>dominate than I'm going with the ninety nine ers. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of people are going to answer

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<v Speaker 2>that other teams might have been more dominant, other teams

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<v Speaker 2>might have been more consistent across multiple years and competitions,

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<v Speaker 2>But honestly, for me, the ninety nine ers felt like

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<v Speaker 2>they truly broke through on another level, on a national

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<v Speaker 2>or global even scale, and that their impact on the

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 2>country and on future women's teams in soccer and in

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 2>other sports is immeasurable. So since we can't name Billy

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<v Speaker 2>Jean King a goat team, I'm going with the ninety

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<v Speaker 2>nine ers. But thanks for sending us that, Amanda. That

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<v Speaker 2>was fun to do, and thanks to everybody who sent

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<v Speaker 2>their brackets. In speaking of brackets, We've got our starch

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<v Speaker 2>Madness bracket set, so I'm going to post it to

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<v Speaker 2>my Blue sky X and Instagram for you slices to

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<v Speaker 2>check out. You could see the recipes that we selected

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<v Speaker 2>for the eight team competition. So with eight contenders, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got four matchups. It's going to be potato corn chowder

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<v Speaker 2>versus twice baked potatoes tater pigs, which if you don't

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 2>know what those are, we explained them on a previous

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<v Speaker 2>episode involving a power drill, a potato, a veggie dog,

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 2>and some chili. But I'll make sure I make that

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<v Speaker 2>clear in the vote as well. But tater pigs take

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<v Speaker 2>on funeral potatoes, corn keish versus potato lotkeys, and sweet

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:21.040
<v Speaker 2>potato empanadas versus tacos to pop us.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll post.

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<v Speaker 2>Those matchups on Instagram over the next couple days and

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<v Speaker 2>you could vote on the four dishes that we'll advance

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<v Speaker 2>to the final four. And then once we've got those

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<v Speaker 2>four recipes decided, I'll be whipping them up and deciding

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<v Speaker 2>which to survive in advance to the final eventually naming

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<v Speaker 2>one superstar Starch the twenty twenty five Starch Madness Champion.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think we all know the real champion is

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<v Speaker 2>me because I will get to eat all of them.

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