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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain.

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Speaker 2: Where it snowed hard on the first day of spring

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Speaker 2: here in Chicago, but we all know March Madness is

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Speaker 2: the real sign that spring is here. Let the games begin.

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Speaker 2: It's Friday, March twenty first Happy Friday slices.

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Speaker 1: On today's show, We'll be kicking it with women's.

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Speaker 2: Hockey writer and co host of the Podcas podcast Nicole Hasey,

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Speaker 2: talking about the women's NCUBLEA Hockey Tournament and tonight's Frozen

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Speaker 2: four matchups, the current landscape of college hockey, her favorites

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Speaker 2: for the Patty Kasmier Memorial Award and the unique and

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Speaker 2: cute way that she was introduced to the game. Plus

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Speaker 2: the NCAA Women's Basketball Tournament Round of sixty four tips

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Speaker 2: off today. A new era for rugby in America starts

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Speaker 2: this weekend.

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Speaker 1: The IOC has a new head honcho, and a women's

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Speaker 1: hockey what.

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Speaker 2: The fact that'll have you shaking your head. It's all

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Speaker 2: coming up right after this welcome back slices. Here's what

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Speaker 2: you need to know today in college basketball. March Madness

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Speaker 2: is officially upon us. The NCAA Tournament first round begins today.

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Speaker 2: Games tip at eleven thirty am Eastern, first up number

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Speaker 2: six Michigan and number eleven Iowa State. There are sixteen

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Speaker 1: We'll link to the full schedule of games in our.

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Speaker 2: Show notes and to our Good Game ESPN tournament Challenge

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Speaker 2: on Friday, there's still time to fill out your bracket.

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Speaker 2: To college hockey, the Frozen Four begins tonight with my

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Speaker 2: at five pm Eastern, followed by number four Minnesota and

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Speaker 2: the women's Elite rugby season starts tomorrow. The first game

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Speaker 2: of the league's inaugural campaign features the New York Exiles

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Speaker 1: Wondering where to watch well, good news.

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Speaker 2: The WER announced a partnership with de Zone yesterday, making

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Speaker 2: it the sole home for every match this season. Through

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Speaker 2: the partnership, we'll also get an exclusive midweek highlights show

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Speaker 2: on the network, and the best part, all matches will

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Speaker 2: be available live and on demand for free. Big shout

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Speaker 2: out to friends of the show, WER president Jessica Hammond

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Speaker 2: Graff and Chicago Tempest player Betty Wynn, who we had

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Speaker 2: on back in January during our New Year.

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Speaker 1: New League's Week. We're excited for you both slices.

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Speaker 2: Go back and check out that episode to jog your

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Speaker 2: In Olympic news, Kirsty Coventry, former swimmer and winner of

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Speaker 2: Right, So we've got three finalists all from the University

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Speaker 1: Number one is it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, So you're not on the board to

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Speaker 3: When I wrote up for Victory Press, like who I

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Speaker 3: It's hard to argue with It's.

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Speaker 2: Like you don't want to hold it against her, But

440
00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,399
Speaker 2: then at the same time. It's like when it's so

441
00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 2: rare for a defender to get to that level, they're

442
00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,720
Speaker 2: even close, you almost want to give it the nudge. Okay,

443
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,640
Speaker 2: let's get to the games. A little history first though,

444
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,560
Speaker 2: for those who might not be aware, Ohio State beat

445
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,479
Speaker 2: Wisconsin last year. So Ohio State's the reigning champs and

446
00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 2: those two teams have won the last five titles that

447
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 2: were contested.

448
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,400
Speaker 1: Can you explain the.

449
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,600
Speaker 2: Stranglehold that Ohio State and Wisconsin have on this championship?

450
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Speaker 3: Sure? And I'll go back a little further because Ohio

451
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,199
Speaker 3: State made their first Frozen four in twenty eighteen, so

452
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 3: you hear big ten school, but they did not put

453
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 3: any effort into their women's hockey program until the last

454
00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 3: seven or eight years. So when you talk about that

455
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,440
Speaker 3: and having a stringlehold, they do. But that is a

456
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 3: fully new situation, which is crazy. And also the last

457
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 3: two games were like one nothing games, and so those

458
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 3: two teams are just really loaded. Last year, Ohio State

459
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 3: had used the transfer portal really well and brought in

460
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,440
Speaker 3: a lot of older talent players that had been wanting

461
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 3: to win national championships and weren't looking to do that

462
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 3: at their The CURRK schools and they moved to Ohio State.

463
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, those two two very different styles of coaching.

464
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 3: Nadie Musral at Ohio State is fiery, she's she's divisive,

465
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 3: but she gets the best out of her players, and

466
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 3: the players respect the heck out of her. And she's

467
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 3: a tough cookie, but there her teams deliver. And so

468
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 3: she's the one that really led the turnaround and forced

469
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 3: Ohio State to start paying attention to their program and

470
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 3: put money into its work and it's working. So they

471
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 3: are Wisconsin's one loss this year, and you know, for them,

472
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 3: they're having Ohio State is having a down ish year, right,

473
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 3: Like it's all relative, uh, in terms of like more

474
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 3: loss than they had in the past. It's a somewhat

475
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 3: younger team this year. But you know, Wisconsin's coach is

476
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 3: Mark Johnson. They are historically good programed, they get top recruits,

477
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 3: they get people that want to stay, and you know,

478
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 3: it's just been those two teams sort of playing chess

479
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,400
Speaker 3: for the last few seasons.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, let's get to these matchups this weekend. We'll

481
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Speaker 2: start with Wisconsin and Minnesota. What's the biggest thing to

482
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: watch for in terms of either styles or strengths or

483
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 2: what will probably decide this game.

484
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 3: Oh goodness. When those two tapes play, they call it

485
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 3: a border battle. They've already played five times this year.

486
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 3: It's the first time ever Wisconsin has swept Minnesota. That

487
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 3: being said, Minnesota has had a massive postseason and they're

488
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 3: playing at home. They get to play at their home

489
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 3: rank as the number four seed. Those sites are planned

490
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 3: way in advance, just like every other you know, postseason,

491
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 3: and so they merely made a push to get there.

492
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 3: What you will see it is not necessarily pretty hockey,

493
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 3: and that is because they are so well matched and

494
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 3: know each other so well that they're going to force

495
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 3: each other out of their game plan. So it's about

496
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 3: who adapts the best. Una Minnesota has Abbie Murphy, who

497
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 3: is on the US national team. She's someone that a

498
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: lot of people like. She's the type of player that

499
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 3: if she's on your team, you love her, and if

500
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 3: she's on the other team, you hate her. She's scrappy,

501
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 3: she is mouthy, she's pushy. She uh, she's Southside of Chicago, Sarah.

502
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 3: She's all there you go. Her brothers were wrestlers, so yeah,

503
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 3: she's just she's a past and also just one of

504
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: the best players in the game. She scored to wrap

505
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 3: her own goal last week in the quarterfinals. That was

506
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 3: stupid good.

507
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: I saw that. That was sick.

508
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 3: How she goes is how Minnesota goes. They aren't as

509
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 3: deep as Wisconsin, and so if Wisconsin can sort of

510
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 3: shut her down, it really requires Minnesota the rest of

511
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 3: their forwards to step up, which they definitely have done

512
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 3: at times, but it's not necessarily a given. So these

513
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 3: two played for their conference title two weeks ago, and

514
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 3: Wisconsin scored in the final twenty four seconds to win

515
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 3: that game one nothing, no, four to three four four three.

516
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So it was a back forth but still came

517
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 2: down to the last thirty seconds.

518
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

519
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So you've given us a couple Wisconsin players and

520
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: a great Minnesota player. Is there a story from either

521
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: one of these teams that will have in the back

522
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: of our minds when we're watching, either a player's personal

523
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: story or something about the team that's interesting.

524
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 3: Minnesota is a historically really strong program in Lean Talcke,

525
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 3: but has not been over the last seven ish years.

526
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 3: It's just they had a really great run and they

527
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 3: haven't been there yet. So for them, This is all

528
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 3: about sort of that return to glory and getting to

529
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 3: do it at home, being on home ice. They are

530
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 3: obviously still a really good team. They were number four

531
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: in the country coming in, but the standard there is different.

532
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 3: They have a freshman goalie who was not their starter

533
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 3: to start the year and she's come in and just

534
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 3: played really strong. So for them, I think it's about

535
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 3: that sort of replacing Minnesota at the top of the heap.

536
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 3: Wisconsin is a one lost team, has all these superstars

537
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: like for them, it is a championship or bust, and

538
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 3: I think if they don't win, it will just be

539
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: all about sort of that missed opportunity. So there is

540
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 3: just a ton of pressure with that. Yeah, and their

541
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: goalies only a sophomore. She is, however, that was named

542
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 3: her first US national team for the upcoming worlds Avian McNaughton.

543
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 3: She's very good. Wisconsin. It's about their depth and just

544
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: what they all bring and it's just like they could

545
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 3: have this amazing season and if they won't, they don't

546
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 3: win the title. I don't know that anybody. Don't talk

547
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: about it again.

548
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, quick question for you about goalies, And

549
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: I started like early in my career covering the Chicago Blackhawks.

550
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 2: So I was doing hockey from the start, and I've

551
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 2: asked us throughout the years, never really truly getting the

552
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: best answer or an answer that satisfies me about how

553
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: the goalie position can be the most in flux. You

554
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 2: can have a goalie for most of the season and

555
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 2: then another steps in and they quote unquote stand on

556
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: their head, which is what we love to say about

557
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: goalies playing well and they could take over, or midway

558
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: through a postseason, a goalie that hasn't played most of

559
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: the season can step in and end up running the

560
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: table for the rest of the games. How does that

561
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: happen and why does that happen? Been at the goalie

562
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 2: position in hockey?

563
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 3: I think I honestly, it's part of just like that

564
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 3: they're that different breed. They prepared differently. They are because

565
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 3: they know that they could go in at any time,

566
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 3: Like the third string goalie is preparing like they're going

567
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 3: to start heading into a game, and they're doing that

568
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: the whole season long. And when you're on the bench,

569
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 3: it's a bit like being at the back of the

570
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,479
Speaker 3: ice where you can see everything happening in front of you,

571
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 3: and so they are, they're students of the game in

572
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: that way, So I do think that's some of it.

573
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think there's something to be said about

574
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: kind of always feeling like you need to be prepared

575
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: and being prepared to play that game even though the

576
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 3: chance of you actually stepping on the ice is one

577
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: per second.

578
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: And I wonder if it's also like, not specifically the yips,

579
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: but like if there's a goalie that has a bad

580
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: game or is struggling, it hits different than a forward

581
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: or a different position that struggles.

582
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: It feels like there's this like.

583
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: Shift in momentum to the other goalie in a way

584
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 2: that we don't see with like you're not going to

585
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: just pull a superstar forward that played the entire season

586
00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: and then not.

587
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: Let them back.

588
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 2: Partly also because of obviously line changes, like if they're

589
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: still struggling, they're going to be in and out as

590
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: opposed to you're not going to change your your goalie

591
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: mid game really unless there's a serious issue, so you

592
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: can't go back and forth and see if they're getting

593
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 2: better and you know, knocking the rust off or whatever

594
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: the yips were are gone.

595
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: I've just always found that so fascinating.

596
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 2: Those stories you hear about someone coming in late and

597
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: just you know, leading a team to a Stanley Cup

598
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: or something after not playing all year.

599
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: It's pretty wild. Okay, let's get to the other matchup.

600
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: My corn Ow Big Red taking on the evil and

601
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: hated and dastardly Ohio State, which happens to be where

602
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 2: one of my best friends went, Okay, what are we

603
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 2: watching for styles and what will decide this one?

604
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: So Ohio State Nadine Mazarral describes her team as relentless.

605
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 3: They are a team, particularly this year, that might get

606
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 3: scored upon early, but they are they kind of it

607
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 3: will start to skap down heill, and it's like if

608
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: they get one that it's going to come in bunches

609
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: once they sort of, you know, break the sealing that

610
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 3: they are, like I said, a little young. They have

611
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: joy done upfront again another US national team player, big player,

612
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 3: great at finding space in front of the net and

613
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 3: sort of planting herself. But they just they come with speed.

614
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 3: They really love to be in transition. They come through

615
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: the neutral zone fast. They will just sort of turn

616
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 3: that game around, you know, go from defense to office

617
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 3: really quickly, and you have to be prepared for it.

618
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: I think it's a very different style than Cornell plays. Again,

619
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: they're not traditional conferences in hockey, but so Cornell plays

620
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 3: in the ECAC and the other three teams are all

621
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 3: in the w CCHA, and so stylistically that's just going

622
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: to be a different matchup. Cornell's coach is Doug Dara

623
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: is a Canadian national team coach, and he focuses on

624
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 3: their defense, so unsurprising that team is very good on defense.

625
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: They also have a top three goalie for the Goalie

626
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: of the Award and annalis Bergmann. She's a goalie that

627
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: is played with some men's teams semi professionally. She's just

628
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 3: she's a big, strong player, tall, yes, sees the ice

629
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 3: really well, covers her crease really well, and so that

630
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: is going to be an interesting matchup. I'm not sure

631
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 3: there are a ton of other goalies that Ohio State

632
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: is seen like that, But interestingly, we normally don't get

633
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: a ton of intra conference. These two plans played back

634
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: in October and Ohio State one seven three, but they're

635
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: very different teams now and so I'm not sure how

636
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: much I would take away from that. And that was

637
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 3: a close game. Well into the third period, and then

638
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: Ohio State did what I said before and sort of

639
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: scores bunches. So I think Cornell has to find that

640
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 3: balance between very being very good defensively but not giving

641
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 3: up the ability to be offensive and try and score.

642
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 3: If they're just only playing defense, that that's just not

643
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: gonna work for them. But they're gonn they need to

644
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: try and slow Ohio State down. Cornell is different offensively,

645
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be that overwhelming. They're gonna pass, They're

646
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: gonna have some good shots from the blue line. Some

647
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: of their forwards are younger as well, Abby Lindsay Avar

648
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: Abby Adams. So those are the players that I'll be

649
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: watching for. But it might be Amilely's Bergman versus the

650
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: Ohio State offense. Now on uh yeah.

651
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: You mentioned the difference between the e C A C

652
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: and the n C HC styles. Can you sort of

653
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: sum up why they're different. It's w C h A Sorry, sorry.

654
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: Sorries.

655
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 3: W C H A is a very physical, much more

656
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: sort of fights along the board, shoulders or shoulder. There's

657
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 3: no right the PWJA has that little bit of contact.

658
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: There is technically no hitting in the NCAA. That does

659
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: not mean anything. Anybody who watches it will tell you

660
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 3: there's there's a lot of physicality to it, and then

661
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: it's about possession and really cris passing and just really

662
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: using that wid of the ice you. Mark Johnson at

663
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: Wisconsin is sort of one of the wizards of the game, right,

664
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: and so you're gonna see that in general because of that.

665
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 3: No hitting, the women's game to me is more about finesse.

666
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: You're not running through somebody, you have to get around them,

667
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 3: and so you're seeing those tape to tape passes and

668
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 3: things like that. E c C has gotten more physical.

669
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: But one of the problems in all of this is

670
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: the officials from different common versus officiating difference and so what.

671
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: And who will be calling the Frozen four.

672
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 3: It should be somebody that doesn't officiate either of the teams,

673
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: so it should be a completely different conference. But that

674
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: means that you have no idea what they're gonna do,

675
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: So special teams could come into it, just as play

676
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: the players figure out how the game is going to

677
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: be called. And I wish that that wasn't such a

678
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: big thing like that should not play into how any

679
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: of these games are called, but particularly in the Frozen

680
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: four in the National Championship, but here we are. Yeah,

681
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: ECAC tends to be a lot more defensive. First, you're

682
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: gonna have really strong building out of the back and

683
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: and sort of having that that core, and then the

684
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: offense kind of builds from that secondarily, and that's that's

685
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: true all hockey, but it feels like very defense first

686
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: in the ECAC.

687
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: You gave us a couple of names to watch for

688
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: on each team.

689
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if there's a great story personal or team

690
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: wise from either of these or both.

691
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: For me, I think Ohio State is one of those teams,

692
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: Like they got beat in the w CHA semifinal game

693
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 3: and maybe Maserel was mad in that postseason and she

694
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: wasn't mad that they lost, she was mad that they quit.

695
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: And so that is a team that just even when

696
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: they're the top team in the country, they play with

697
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: a chip on their shoulder, and so that is something

698
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: that's just kind of always going to be the driving

699
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: like they're always going to be I think they're the

700
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: underdogs and they have something to prove.

701
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: Number four I guess they are now.

702
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes me wonder if they like if there's

703
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: a point where if they win so many titles or what, like,

704
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: what's the point. I get it because we're still in

705
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: view of them having never played in a frozen four.

706
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: You know, we're not that far removed from it. But

707
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: and for Cornell, it's that the WCCHA has won nearly

708
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 3: all of the national championships. Clarkson's the only non WCCHA

709
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: team to have ever won a national championship, and there's

710
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: that twenty twenty you know, Cornell's sort of lost opportunity,

711
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: and so for them, it's about you know, breaking up

712
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: they're in. They're here with three WCCHA teams. To walk

713
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: out of it with the title would be you know,

714
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: a huge thing. Wisconsin's been the toppering team for most

715
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: the season. You know, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Ohio State are

716
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: three of the top four. There's just that like, we

717
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: deserve respect, we should be here for their conference and

718
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: then personally for them to sort of make up for

719
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: that twenty twenty season.

720
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never knew that.

721
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: I thought for sure, like Harvard back in the day

722
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: had won it all. So there's never even been an

723
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: ivy of any kind to win.

724
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: No, it's wow, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Minnesota, Duloof, Ohio State, and

725
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: Clarkson that have won all of the titles. Yeah, Minnesota

726
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: Duluth was the powerhouse early on.

727
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: That's wild. Okay, the more you know, my great story.

728
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: And I mentioned this on the show the other day,

729
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: was watching the Cornell Elite eight game or is that

730
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: what we call it in hockey?

731
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: I think quarter final quarterfinal. Yeah.

732
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: Rory Gilday who had a brain tumor and lost vision

733
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: in one eye, had to sit out contact sports for

734
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: a whole year before coming back and is still playing

735
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: at this super high level, which as someone obsessed with

736
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: the cutting edge, I was like, oh my god, it's

737
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: like Douglas Dorsey.

738
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: But she's still playing.

739
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: Just a great story and what a what a badass.

740
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: So I'm keeping an eye out for her on Cornell

741
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: as well. I'm curious as we're watching these games if

742
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: there are players that you think for sure we'll be

743
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: seeing in the p WHL in coming years that we

744
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: should just jot down and say, Okay, which team are

745
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: they going to end up on and we'll be rooting

746
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: for them at the pros.

747
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: Pretty Much anybody that I've mentioned so far, so all

748
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: three of those Patty Has finalists. Casey O'Brien is a

749
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: fifth year. She'll be graduating. Abby Murphy will be graduating.

750
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: The roster is a little bit younger and so not

751
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: not necessarily immediately for some of them. Rory's a senior

752
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: and obviously just depends with with her. What's you know

753
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: what the future looks like? But yeah, it's it's Lily

754
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: Delian Das is probably the underrated person or for people

755
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: who don't pay a ton of attention to women's college hockey.

756
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: She has scored a ton of clutch goals for them.

757
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: I can see her making a difference heading into the

758
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: p WHL. Yeah, I think those are probably my top ones. Yeah.

759
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: What about a really great player from a team that

760
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: isn't in the Frozen four. That would be probably someone

761
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: we'd say in the pros next year.

762
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: Uh, Kulti kelton Kova from Colgate was a.

763
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: Patchy can you say that one more?

764
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: Tosh? Sure? Culti kelton Kova she is from Colgate. From Colgate,

765
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 3: she's check ah, she is. She is this ECAC player

766
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: that plays a wha style of games. She's real physical,

767
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: really great on the boards, and she's someone that went

768
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: from being sort of recklessly physical and not super focused

769
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: on the finer details of the offense to sort of

770
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: flipping that around and using her physicality, and she earned

771
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: her way onto the Czech national team rosters and things

772
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: like that. She's just a really fun player to watch

773
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: but also just click kind of deadly with her shot.

774
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 3: She's so what I expect to see make big splashes

775
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 3: in the future.

776
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: And that is the name we'll remember.

777
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: And Tessa Janicky.

778
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: Oh, Tessa Janicky. Okay, well remember that one as well. Okay,

779
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: last question for you, p WHL ONL. Like, the WNBA

780
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 2: doesn't have a minimum age limit, so a player could

781
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: in theory declare for the draft without finishing school. Is

782
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 2: that something we might see in the future seventeen year olds?

783
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: This is the way we see fifteen sixteen year olds

784
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: in the NWSL. Or do you think finishing college and

785
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: going to college to play first will will be still

786
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: an integral part of making it to the pros.

787
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: Well, I'll throw that back to you with a little

788
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: flip in the script, which is that we are no

789
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: longer centralizing prior to the Olympics.

790
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and explain to people what that.

791
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 3: Is heading into the Olympics, US and Canada would take

792
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 3: their roster usually somewhere between five and ten more than

793
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: we'll end up on their final roster and have a

794
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: home pod for a whole year leading up to the Olympics.

795
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: So they would train and play like local boys teams

796
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: and whatever they could, but they would all be centralized

797
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 3: in one locations. Players would all leave their teams collegiate

798
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: or pro, and like the players would red shirt things

799
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: like that, and so we aren't doing that anymore. One

800
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 3: of the reasons they did that is because the level

801
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: of play elsewhere wasn't enough to prepare the players correctly

802
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: to be ready for the Olympics. Now with the pub

803
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: they're okay with those players mostly staying with their teams,

804
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: but that leads out the collegians, and so the plan

805
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: as far as I understand it heading into twenty twenty six,

806
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: as collegians would stay with their teams but then be

807
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: gone a weekend every month as the national teams hold

808
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 3: like monthly camps as opposed to doing a full centralization.

809
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: So that means like could a player that would have

810
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: come back for their last year now just go ahead

811
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 3: and go pro. For instance, Wisconsin's Lacy Eden has another

812
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: year of eligibility, but she will almost certainly be on

813
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: that national team. And for her, what's the better situation?

814
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 3: Is it to be in college and keep playing there

815
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 3: or is it to go to the PWHL and develop

816
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: that way. One of the factors in the future for

817
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: that is just going to be if there's enough spaces,

818
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: like can you go pro and know that you're going

819
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 3: to make a team and play their regularly to make

820
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: it worthwhile? Where is this.

821
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: Similar to the WNBA, which was why they made that

822
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: rule because it was really hard for players to leave

823
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: college and then not find one of the one hundred

824
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: and forty four spots and BSOL and there is nil money.

825
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: Now is that really gotten into the hockey game at

826
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: these schools where it's a big deal to be on

827
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: the women's hockey team.

828
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: I think it is to some extent. And you know,

829
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: and there is a limit to how much peed up

830
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: players are making, so I think we are in an

831
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: interesting sort of gray area with that where those numbers

832
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: are close enough that for some teams that it's not

833
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: the draw of the peed hub isn't enough to maybe

834
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 3: pull then they can.

835
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: Wait, especially if they get a degree and what that

836
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: might do for them elsewhere.

837
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: I learned a lot Nicole. Thank you so much for

838
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: coming on. Of course, thanks for so excited to watch

839
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: these games.

840
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 2: I'm so excited that Cornell is back in the mix,

841
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: and good luck on the drive.

842
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: We look forward to reading your coverage from the Frozen four.

843
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

844
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: We have to take it out the break when we

845
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: come back.

846
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: What the Fact, Jack, Welcome back slices. It's time for

847
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: another What the Fact. Okay, so we've kind of gushed

848
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: about all things women's college hockey on this show, but

849
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: we do have a bone to pick. The women's NCAA

850
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: tournament field is comprised of just eleven teams, but on

851
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 2: the men's side, sixteen teams make it to the Big Skate.

852
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: Any idea why, Well, here's the gist.

853
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: Up until twenty twenty one, only eight teams competed in

854
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: the top level NCBA Women's Hockey tournament, which combines divisions

855
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 2: one and two, while the men's tournament has long featured

856
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: sixteen Division one teams. Got that, so eight teams for

857
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: the women and sixteen teams for the men, a huge disparity.

858
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: For years, those.

859
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: Involved with the women's game had been calling on decision

860
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: makers to expand the women's tournament size, and in the

861
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: fall of twenty twenty one, that call was finally answered,

862
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: kind of. In response to the March Madness gender equality

863
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: debates sparked by Sedona Prince and others that year around basketball,

864
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: the law firm Kaplan, Hecker and Fink, LLP published a

865
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: report commissioned by the NCAA to review gender inequality within

866
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: all NCAA tournaments. The report detailed just how unequal the

867
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: women's and men's hockey tournaments were, with the main stat

868
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: focusing on disparate participation opportunities. At the time, forty one

869
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: institutions sponsored women's hockey at the D one or D

870
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: two level, meaning just nineteen point five percent of teams

871
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: qualified for the eight team NCAA tournament. In comparison, sixty

872
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Speaker 2: schools sponsored D one men's hockey with sixteen teams qualifying,

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Speaker 2: So that's twenty six point seven percent of men's teams

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Speaker 2: earning a spot nineteen point five twenty.

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Speaker 1: Six point seven.

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Speaker 2: So with that participation stat top of mind, the argument

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Speaker 2: for a larger women's hockey tournament seemed to write itself,

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Speaker 2: but the NCAA responded with a weird ass tournament bracket.

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Speaker 2: That's the definition of malicious compliance. The NCAA essentially said, okay,

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Speaker 2: if about twenty seven percent of men's teams qualify for

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Speaker 2: the tournament, then we'll have twenty seven percent of women's

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Speaker 2: teams qualify too.

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem.

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Speaker 2: When you calculate what twenty seven percent of forty one

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Speaker 2: women's college hockey programs is, you get eleven teams. So

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Speaker 2: instead of expanding from eight teams to a much more

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Speaker 2: traditional twelve team bracket, which makes sense and would have

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Speaker 2: represented twenty nine percent of women's teams, a whole two

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Speaker 2: percentage points more than the men's participation rate, the nc

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Speaker 2: DOUABLEA instead introduced an eleven team bracket in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: participate in our good game goat Team Bracket Challenge bracket

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Speaker 2: made by Slice Amanda, and you didn't disappoint you filled

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Speaker 2: it out.

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Speaker 1: You send them in.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Okie kept it simple when she summed up her bracket, saying,

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Speaker 2: quote always has to be the ninety nine ers certified Slice.

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Speaker 2: Pamela Mudway kept the ninety nine ers love fest goo

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Speaker 2: and picking that squad over the magnificent seven ninety six

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Speaker 2: US Olympic Gymnastics team. She also asks for bonus points

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Speaker 2: for using orange highlighter to fill out her picks. You know,

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Speaker 2: since yell are little orange slices and we like where

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Speaker 2: your head's at, Pamela, you do get bonus points. We're

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Speaker 2: just not sure where you use them. Since you all participated,

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Speaker 2: we figured we should share our picks too, So Alex Mesh,

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Speaker 2: who have you guys?

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Speaker 4: Dubbed the greatest team of all time. For me, of course,

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Speaker 4: it's got to be the Houston comments. I mean, how

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Speaker 4: do you compete with four straight championships in the first

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Speaker 4: four years of the WNBA. I don't house wait, don't,

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Speaker 4: I don't get it, especially when no other team has

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Speaker 4: been able to touch that feet. We've seen some great teams,

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Speaker 4: but nobody else has done it to this day. It's

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Speaker 4: got to be the comments.

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm. It's such a good one that I was

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Speaker 5: very tempted to go with it myself, but I let

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Speaker 5: meshe call Dibbs, and I decided to go with Carrie

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Speaker 5: Well Schennings and Misty May, trainer the beach volleyball players.

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Speaker 5: And for me, it's not just that they won three

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Speaker 5: Olympic gold medals. It is that during those three Olympic runs,

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Speaker 5: they only dropped one set, which it's basically like having

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Speaker 5: three gold medals in soccer without ever conceding a goal.

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Speaker 5: Just absolutely wild. So yep, Misty May and Carrie you're

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Speaker 5: my team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I've seen them live a handful of times and they

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Speaker 2: are at they were absolutely dominant. Both good answers, in fact,

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Speaker 2: any answer on the board really would be good, especially

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Speaker 2: the trifecta featuring Sarah Span, Jing McMann and Kate Pagan,

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Speaker 2: But I kind of took the youth of the WNBA

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Speaker 2: into account With the commets, it just felt easier to

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Speaker 2: dominate than I'm going with the ninety nine ers. And

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are going to answer

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Speaker 2: that other teams might have been more dominant, other teams

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Speaker 2: might have been more consistent across multiple years and competitions,

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Speaker 2: But honestly, for me, the ninety nine ers felt like

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Speaker 2: they truly broke through on another level, on a national

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Speaker 2: or global even scale, and that their impact on the

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Speaker 2: country and on future women's teams in soccer and in

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Speaker 2: other sports is immeasurable. So since we can't name Billy

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Speaker 2: Jean King a goat team, I'm going with the ninety

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Speaker 2: nine ers. But thanks for sending us that, Amanda. That

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Speaker 2: was fun to do, and thanks to everybody who sent

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Speaker 2: their brackets. In speaking of brackets, We've got our starch

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Speaker 2: Madness bracket set, so I'm going to post it to

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Speaker 2: my Blue sky X and Instagram for you slices to

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Speaker 2: check out. You could see the recipes that we selected

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Speaker 2: for the eight team competition. So with eight contenders, we've

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Speaker 2: got four matchups. It's going to be potato corn chowder

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Speaker 2: versus twice baked potatoes tater pigs, which if you don't

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Speaker 2: know what those are, we explained them on a previous

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Speaker 2: episode involving a power drill, a potato, a veggie dog,

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Speaker 2: and some chili. But I'll make sure I make that

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Speaker 2: clear in the vote as well. But tater pigs take

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Speaker 2: on funeral potatoes, corn keish versus potato lotkeys, and sweet

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Speaker 2: potato empanadas versus tacos to pop us.

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Speaker 1: So I'll post.

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Speaker 2: Those matchups on Instagram over the next couple days and

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Speaker 2: you could vote on the four dishes that we'll advance

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Speaker 2: to the final four. And then once we've got those

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Speaker 2: four recipes decided, I'll be whipping them up and deciding

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Speaker 2: which to survive in advance to the final eventually naming

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Speaker 2: one superstar Starch the twenty twenty five Starch Madness Champion.

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Speaker 2: But I think we all know the real champion is

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Speaker 2: me because I will get to eat all of them.

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