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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 2: A production of Iheartrading.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 2: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 2: super producer Alexis the Britt Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 2: You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 2: want you to know. Fellow conspiracy realists, longtime listeners, it

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Speaker 2: feels so great to be back now. Like hopefully the

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Speaker 2: majority of America, we took June teenth off. We treated

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Speaker 2: it as the holiday it deserves to be treated as.

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Speaker 2: And as a result, we had a couple of classic

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Speaker 2: episodes in place of our strange news and listener mail

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Speaker 2: programs last week. We hope you enjoyed them, and we

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Speaker 2: hope they freaked you out as much as they freaked

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Speaker 2: us out when we recorded them.

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Speaker 3: Back in nineteen forty seven.

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Speaker 2: Yes, as the human calendars reckon, we have a lot.

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Speaker 2: We have a lot of cool stuff to get to

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Speaker 2: because well I say cool, it's interesting stuff. It is

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Speaker 2: strange news and what we found was that. Weirdly enough,

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Speaker 2: last week when we were going to previously on stuff

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Speaker 2: to record Strange News, we had a bevy, a literal

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Speaker 2: cavalcade of different stories. A lot of things happened in

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Speaker 4: And the good news, some of them have developed even

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Speaker 4: further since that time, and others have just remained delightfully evergreen.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into brain rots, We'll get into corporate medical malfeasance,

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Speaker 2: We'll get into so many things, including our buddies at

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Speaker 2: the Pentagon. For now, we're going to take a quick break,

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Speaker 2: and then we're going to talk about our buddy Julian,

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Speaker 2: who's going home, all right, Julian Massage. If you know

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Speaker 2: this show, it is not your first time listening to

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Speaker 2: stuff they want you to know, then you know the

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Speaker 2: story of Julian Assage quite well, the creator, the originator

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Speaker 2: of the world changing online resource known as WikiLeaks. And

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Speaker 2: we talked about Julian in the past. We have not

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Speaker 2: a you know, a legal pickle, a bag of diplomatic badgers.

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Speaker 4: Sort of like a diplomatic limbo, a lot of treadmilling. Right,

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Speaker 4: then they have a cat at some point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Julian usage fundamentally changed the actions of nation states,

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Speaker 2: He was also being hunted by Uncle Sam as a

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Speaker 2: result of his release of diplomatic cables that arguably endangered

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Speaker 2: folks across the world, but from his curation thereof the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a complicated figure, like a lot of the

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Speaker 3: figures we've we talked about on this show, because without him,

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Speaker 4: But then hearing in that though the choice right there

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Speaker 2: Was in the liminal space of embassy grounds. As we

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Speaker 3: Well, he made some kind of deal because they gave

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Speaker 4: It is interesting how like when a government does what

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Speaker 5: Julian is no hero.

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Speaker 4: A guilty plea might free him, but remember why the

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Speaker 2: she told Assage the following quote. With this pronouncement, it

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Speaker 2: peace restored with that, mister Massage. It's apparently an early

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Speaker 2: happy birthday to you. I understand your birthdays next week.

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Speaker 2: I hope you will start your new life in a

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Speaker 2: positive manner. And it is true, Julian Assange turns fifty

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Speaker 2: happy birthday, man. Birthdays are the only real New Year's

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Speaker 4: No, he's one of those cats that has had white

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Targerian in that respect, which we talked about earlier.

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Speaker 5: Little Megala maniacal too like the Targarian.

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Speaker 2: Again, complicated figure. But also perhaps the most interesting thing

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Speaker 5: Made a deal.

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Speaker 2: He clearly made a deal. There was an incentivized There

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Speaker 2: the question we have to ask is what did she

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Speaker 3: All right, yeah, mayapothesis. They sat across the table and said, Julian,

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Speaker 2: When they said, hey, Putin's not your friend. Also maybe

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Speaker 3: Well. Yeah, at times, Wiki Leaks had to completely shut

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Speaker 2: They self selected, self submitted.

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Speaker 3: Yep, they send the stuff to WikiLeaks. Wiki leaks uses

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Speaker 2: Times, because the the interface got compromised honestly, pretty early on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, information asymmetry in this case would be if you like,

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. We're just trying to get

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Speaker 2: there's still a lot of questions to be answered here

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Speaker 2: do know people get up to shenanigans again, So much

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Speaker 2: assanj But we haven't even talked about the Pentagon getting

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Speaker 3: He's had a team of attorneys behind him for I mean,

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Speaker 3: So I wonder if they're pulling levers as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So to answer those questions, there are two things. First,

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Speaker 2: The second thing is the idea of a dead man's hand,

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Speaker 4: Skimmity, Right, we are back skimmity. Yeah, wiz on we

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Speaker 4: And this guy's name, by the way, is Vivek Murphy,

435
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Speaker 4: who's the US Surgeon General.

436
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Speaker 5: And I don't know that this is sort of a

437
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 5: two prong story.

438
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 4: There's there's on the one hand, the brain rot thing

439
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 4: and the fact that it's now being looked at and

440
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Speaker 4: researched as a legitimate kind of psychological disorder that is,

441
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: you know, internet triggered. Doctor Michael Rich who's a pediatrician

442
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 4: at the Digital Wellness Lab at the Boston Children's Hospital,

443
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 4: they have determined this to be considered a form of

444
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 4: problematic interactive media use. And sorry, Rich actually found it

445
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Speaker 4: the Digital Wellness Lab and he has this to say

446
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 4: about just classifying brain rot as a way of describing

447
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 4: what happens when you spend a lot of your time

448
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 4: online and you have shifted your awareness over to the

449
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: online space as opposed to in real life, and are

450
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 4: filtering everything through the lens of what has been posted

451
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 4: and what can be posted. He adds that many of

452
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: his patients actually consider having this condition I guess to

453
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 4: be a badge of honor, like how much screen time

454
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Speaker 4: are you getting? Like I'm you know, being terminally online

455
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 4: is almost like a contest in some of some of

456
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: these kids. And maybe that might seem ridiculous, but I

457
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: think it is a particularly younger generation. Like I know

458
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 4: these two twins who are psychotically online.

459
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Speaker 5: They can't you.

460
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 4: Take away their iPad for five seconds. They can't cope.

461
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 4: It's literally the only way they know how to view

462
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 4: the world. And the last point I'll make on the

463
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: brain rot thing is that there is another school of

464
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 4: thought that refers to this as a form of self soothing,

465
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 4: and that this type of behavior is also just kind

466
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 4: of acting out in order to self soothe, like people

467
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 4: often do with drugs, miss self medication, they call that.

468
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 4: Because there's an underlying condition that isn't being addressed, whether

469
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Speaker 4: it be some form of spectrum type type condition, you know, autism,

470
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 4: whatever it might be, depression, what have you, that just

471
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 4: isn't being addressed because the parents just shove the iPad

472
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: into the baby's hands, make them.

473
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Speaker 5: Leave them alone for five minutes. You know, So I

474
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 5: don't know'st's start with? The warning? Is social media like cigarettes?

475
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 4: And is a warning gonna do a damn thing other

476
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 4: than maybe let parents know if they don't already know,

477
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 4: the internet is maybe not the best to have unfettered

478
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 4: access to when you're six years old. Maybe I don't

479
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 4: know a warning is gonna help with those folks. What

480
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: do you guys think Is that gonna do anything? Is

481
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 4: it that simple? Is the genie already out of the bottle?

482
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Speaker 2: So before I answer this question, I'd like to point

483
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Speaker 2: people to This is the thing I was sending around

484
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Speaker 2: when I first learned about the news on June seventeenth,

485
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. It's a guest essay by doctor Murphy

486
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: himself in New York Times, and he has a line

487
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: that really stood.

488
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Speaker 5: Out to me.

489
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: I'd like to read it here. It gets into poetry.

490
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: It says the following and this is a very short read.

491
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: It's very good. It's high impact stuff. You should read it, folks,

492
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: if you have an interest in this. He says the

493
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: following quote. There is no seat belt for parents to click,

494
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: no helmet to snap in place, no assurance that trusted

495
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: experts have investigated and ensured that these platforms are safe

496
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: for our kids. They're just parents and their children trying

497
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: to figure it out on their own, pitted against some

498
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: of the best product engineers and most well resourced companies

499
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: in the world. I was like pumping my fist at

500
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Speaker 2: the end of that, because that is very much true.

501
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: Legislation lacks behind technological innovation, and I don't think this

502
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: is in any way way some kind of political grand standing.

503
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: I would argue this is a legitimate concern. Something like

504
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: this technology has not existed previously.

505
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Speaker 4: No, I mean, and I think you're absolutely right, Ben,

506
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 4: and I would argue that this starting this conversation at

507
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 4: that level of government where something can be done about it,

508
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: is seemingly to me a step in the right direction.

509
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 4: We also know that, you know, the US spending a

510
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: whole lot of time targeting TikTok because of its Chinese ownership,

511
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 4: while pretty much letting Twitter do whatever the f they want,

512
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 4: including promoting you know, vehement racism, why nationalism, hardcore pornography, whatever,

513
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 4: unfettered you know, hate speech. So it's this guy is

514
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 4: obviously not coming down with an agenda. He's the surgeon General.

515
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 4: He doesn't really necessarily care what the political rhetoric.

516
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Speaker 2: I mean, his agenda is technically two key people healthy,

517
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Speaker 2: and I.

518
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 5: Think it's a good way.

519
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Matt, And you know you mentioned the boys talking

520
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 4: about Ohio risen up and all that, Like, what do

521
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 4: you feel like that with with kids that have already

522
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 4: had access to this stuff? Is it too late? You

523
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 4: can't if you take it away from him? Their heads

524
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 4: all freaking book.

525
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: I would say it's not too late. Humans are extremely adaptable.

526
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: Children will get over things. I know I got over

527
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: a great many things that didn't have to do with

528
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: the Internet. I just you know, I'm sure we all did.

529
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

530
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Speaker 3: I feel pretty strongly about it. Today. I literally bought

531
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Speaker 3: my son a device that doesn't have Internet access, but

532
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: he can call me on it nice. Yeah, And I

533
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: spent a lot of time and unfortunately money to make

534
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 3: sure that it was advice that he could not access

535
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: this stuff. Even if he wanted to write, He couldn't

536
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: get the drug no matter what.

537
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 2: He couldn't hack this device or root it.

538
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: Well, maybe if one day, when he's old enough to

539
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: hack the device, he'll probably have a device of his

540
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: own that already has Internet access. Because he'll need it

541
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: for whatever school thing.

542
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 5: He's doing right seven, he's eight.

543
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: It'd be pretty impressive if he did hack the device

544
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: you got him.

545
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, my devices are already hacked and I

546
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: didn't do it. But it's all good. We'll figure that

547
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: stuff out. But I wanted to give another quote here,

548
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: just with that stuff in mind. This is from The Atlantic,

549
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: writing about the New York Times piece. And this is

550
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: a writer, another writer who didn't write the Atlantic piece,

551
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: commenting on the New York Times piece. This writer's name

552
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: is Jonathan hate Haidt. And this is a great quote

553
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: because this is how I feel. Quote. We as a

554
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: country are generally careful about the consumer products and medications

555
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: that harm small numbers of children, small numbers of children,

556
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: Yet we have done nothing, absolutely nothing, ever to protect

557
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: children from the main consumer product they use every day,

558
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: which is social media, which is I think, guys, the

559
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: problems with social media. Tell me if I'm wrong here.

560
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: I think there's they're completely separate from the language kids

561
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 3: are using that we would, maybe, to Ben's point earlier,

562
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: an outside perspective looking in. I thought about it for

563
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: a while as we were talking there. I think you're

564
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: absolutely right. When it comes to the language, because that

565
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: is when I think about it more and more. It's

566
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: the same thing we did. We've talked about this before

567
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: on the show. In our generation, we would use phrases

568
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: and stuff to be insular so that maybe the parents

569
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: don't know exactly what we're talking about.

570
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Speaker 5: You guys are one hundred percent right.

571
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 4: I'm just saying the choices in the language are absurd.

572
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 4: It's there's a certain absurd itce bet to the comedy

573
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 4: and the humor, but you're abu out of the coded language.

574
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 5: Also keep things for showing them, search terms, et cetera.

575
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: But the dangerous stuff with social media is the stuff

576
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: that the three of us for sure experience when we're

577
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: just interacting with other people. We're putting ourselves out there

578
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 3: hoping that people enjoy or like what we're doing, and

579
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: when they don't or if they're mean, it affects us,

580
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: whether we want it to or not. Right, even if

581
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: we can brush it off, it still hits right. Even

582
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: if you can take a punch, you're still taking a punch.

583
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

584
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: And please do folks, please do read that op ed

585
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 2: by the Surgeon General himself and Matt I think you

586
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: make a beautiful play. I appreciate the backup on this,

587
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: you know, because there is the intergenerational aspect, right. You

588
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: build community through the original technology of language. You see

589
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: this in thieves. Can't you see this in demographic specific things.

590
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: It's not inherently bad. It has simply been exacerbated by

591
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 2: this new, previously non existent technology. If there was social

592
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: media in fourteen hundreds France, you know what I mean,

593
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: history might have gone a different way and we would

594
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: have a lot more weird French terms.

595
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

596
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 5: Well, I think too, just the.

597
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: Length of time the Internet has been around and how

598
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 4: much information is available to young people.

599
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 5: I think it speaks volumes to the.

600
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 4: Vast different parts of culture that get pulled from to

601
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 4: make some of these terms, you know, like they're from

602
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 4: all over the place. A lot of it's from like

603
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: you know, drag culture, sleigh or whatever. But there's a

604
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 4: lot of terms that are borrowed from, like hip hop.

605
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 4: There's a lot of terms that are borrowed from, you know,

606
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 4: just memes or things that come up or that like

607
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 4: catch phrases that certain streamers say, or things that happen

608
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 4: in like Fortnite or whatever. It's just interesting the way

609
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 4: this stuff kind of evolves like a virus.

610
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 5: It's almost like these complex systems.

611
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: My son really quickly there's a cat who is living

612
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: here right now, and the I used the term to

613
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: describe what the cat was doing. Instead of saying meow

614
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 3: her vocalization mew, I said mew and my son said

615
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: that's not mewing that. I was like, yeah, it is,

616
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: And then he demonstrated what mewing is and I was like,

617
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Speaker 3: what how what ye your eight my son.

618
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 5: Anyway, it's a lot more than you think they do.

619
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's that's some of the absurd stuff too,

620
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 4: because mewing I'm doing it. It's just kind of like

621
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 4: think of a villain stroking their beard kind of while

622
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 4: making a weird like blue steel like from Zulander face

623
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 4: kind of.

624
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 5: It's like this gigachad kind of face.

625
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: You know.

626
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 4: It's and it's like, I don't really even know where

627
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 4: that comes from or what it refers to, but it's

628
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 4: a thing.

629
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's really really interesting.

630
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: I do think that, you know, having a warning at

631
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 4: least it puts something out there like that. Parents maybe

632
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 4: if they're just totally in the dark, gives them access

633
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: to the fact that, hey, from a place of authority,

634
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 4: this is maybe not the best thing to let your

635
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 4: kid do at an early age.

636
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: What if it was like, what was that campaign, the

637
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: anti smoking campaign from back in the day that was

638
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: like aimed directly at the kids and it was cool,

639
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: was like Joe Cammel.

640
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 5: No, the kids loved Joe Cammell.

641
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 3: No, it was an anti smoking ad. It was the

642
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: ones that were really like hit back in the day

643
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: about true smoke truth. Yeah, what if they use that

644
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: kind of model and they used meme speak like this

645
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 3: kind of stuff we're talking about.

646
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: The anti spoking campaign was paid by tobacco companies as

647
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: part of legal rea.

648
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, what if you can make

649
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: the messages super like that? What this app is totally Ohio?

650
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 3: Or is going man? This app is in Ohio.

651
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 4: The Internet today guys who cover the story as well

652
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 4: pointed out, I can't remember which one of them said it,

653
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Speaker 4: but you know, in Europe, pretty much everywhere except for

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Speaker 4: the United States, you might pack of cigarettes. It's kind

655
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Speaker 4: of an image of a black lung on it. It

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Speaker 4: has an image of someone who's had their leg amputated

657
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Speaker 4: due to poor blood flow. It's got like children weeping

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Speaker 4: over there into mommy or daddy in a hospital.

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Speaker 2: This is clearly a story that we hope resonates with

660
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Speaker 2: you folks, definitely resonates with us internally. I gotta say

661
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Speaker 2: my favorite example of those warning things in South Korea.

662
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Speaker 2: Every time I go, I see a warning pack. They

663
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Speaker 2: have the you know, the pantheon of graphic pictures of

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Speaker 2: physiological problems. But my favorite is the picture on the

665
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Speaker 2: pack of a child looking unhappy and crying while taller

666
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Speaker 2: parents are arguing and smoking. I feel like that's more effective,

667
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Speaker 2: at least for that market. But the warning labels are important,

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Speaker 2: and to your point, this is, at the very least

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Speaker 2: this is a step in thinking about things in a

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Speaker 2: more serious way.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I'm with you on the tall people.

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Speaker 4: Smoking is the greatest deturnent of all, especially the children.

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Speaker 5: But the internet today, guys.

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Speaker 4: The point that they made was if you're going to

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Speaker 4: do something like that with social media, it would need

676
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Speaker 4: to be like an image of suicide or something like

677
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Speaker 4: what would be the smoking equivalent that you could shock

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Speaker 4: kids into thinking twice before they jump down the social

679
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Speaker 4: media rabbit hole. Essentially, the problem is that it makes

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Speaker 4: you disconnected from society, and it can make you really

681
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Speaker 4: depressed because you're viewing all of these other people that

682
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Speaker 4: are better than you, smarter than you, better looking than you,

683
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Speaker 4: more popular than you, etc.

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Speaker 5: And it can send you down a rabbit hole.

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Speaker 4: I'm grateful that my kids seems to have a decent

686
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Speaker 4: head on their shoulders about it and isn't as terminally

687
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Speaker 4: online as sum So, you know, small, small wins there.

688
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Speaker 4: But I think this might be worth an episode unto itself,

689
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Speaker 4: just this whole concept that we're talking about in this

690
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Speaker 4: gen alpha phenomenon, and further exploring what could happen with

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Speaker 4: a government intervention. We have heard, for example, snapchats already

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Speaker 4: starting to self impose some restrictions that could potentially protect

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Speaker 4: young people.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, let's take a.

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Speaker 4: Quick break and we'll hear worth more sponsor than to

696
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Speaker 4: be back with another piece of strange mans.

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Speaker 3: And we've returned, and we're doing a bit of a

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Speaker 3: time machine jump here. Boys, we are going back to

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Speaker 3: two thoy twenty two December in fact, to an unrelated

700
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Speaker 3: CBS Evening News report covering the ADHD prescription drug shortage

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Speaker 3: was time travel.

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Speaker 5: Cue finger, Oh, we're there.

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Speaker 3: We're back, guys. Remember the pandemic. It was only two

704
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Speaker 3: and change years ago, so.

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Speaker 5: It was only a decade ago.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I loved the mystery of going to

707
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Speaker 2: the grocery store and everybody had about two thirds of

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Speaker 2: their face covered up. Eye contact, had so much gravitas.

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00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: And also also yeah, I still yeah, very expressive. Everybody

710
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Speaker 2: was weighing the rock Johnson for a second. And I

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Speaker 2: got to tell you, in these pandemic times, Matt, I

712
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: loved it. I got so spoiled by not having to

713
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Speaker 2: look at people's mouths. And I personally still rock a

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Speaker 2: mask because I look better with two thirds of my

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Speaker 2: face covered up.

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Speaker 5: Agreatable, but.

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Speaker 6: Okay, how it makes you feel just to put us

718
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Speaker 6: all our fellow conspiracy realist in the moment twenty twenty two,

719
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Speaker 6: when will this end?

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Speaker 2: Things are getting weird.

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Speaker 3: We're there, especially early on when there were intense travel

722
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Speaker 3: restrictions and health formation. Yeah, not all information. The health

723
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Speaker 3: concerns were very high, and there was a problem getting prescriptions.

724
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Speaker 3: Not only was it impossible for a short time to

725
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Speaker 3: go into the doctor to get prescribed a specific drug,

726
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Speaker 3: it was very difficult to get an appointment after that time.

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Speaker 3: For a pretty large window. So the US government, the

728
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Speaker 3: good old US government, lifted a tiny little rule that

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Speaker 3: required a an in person medical visit to a medical

730
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Speaker 3: professional before a patient could be prescribed what they consider

731
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Speaker 3: controlled substances. One of these controlled substances was ADHD. Prescription

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Speaker 3: medication such as amphetamine salts were also known as adderall.

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Speaker 3: Now that's cool, that makes sense, right, Hey, I have

734
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Speaker 3: this thing. I need a prescription for it. I need

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Speaker 3: to be diagnosed with it, which is a big deal.

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Speaker 3: That's a big deal. So to get one of these drugs,

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Speaker 3: a doctor has to say, hey, you need one of

738
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Speaker 3: these drugs in the US, in the United States, and

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Speaker 3: they do that through assessing you right before they had

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Speaker 3: to see you in person. Now, after this restriction was lifted,

741
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Speaker 3: you could get an online appointment and health a telehealther exactly.

742
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Speaker 3: Medical professional could look at you through the camera and go, hmmm,

743
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Speaker 3: I think this person needs adderall.

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Speaker 2: And I've done just not to make this bout me.

745
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Speaker 2: I have had those telehealth conversations, and I understand the

746
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: skepticism when I'm thinking, you know, okay, I get it.

747
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: Between the two of us, one is a doctor, but

748
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Speaker 2: I also use zoom pretty frequently, and I'm not sure

749
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Speaker 2: how good your spidy sense is.

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Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, well, especially for something like ADHD right.

751
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 2: Right, which is an internal mechanism.

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Speaker 3: It requires quite a bit of discussion. I mean, you

753
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: would listen to a patient as a medical professional, but

754
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Speaker 3: also watch them and see their mannerisms and a lot

755
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 3: of that I would I would guess could you could

756
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Speaker 3: diagnose or look at over a camera. But I think

757
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: there's little things that would be missed, and there's potential

758
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Speaker 3: for someone to try and get over on a medical

759
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: professional to get a drug that they don't need prescribed

760
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Speaker 3: but they want.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: Because medications like adderall and other stimulants like that can

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Speaker 3: be abused.

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Speaker 2: Exams are coming up, etc.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, they can be used for a lot of

766
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Speaker 3: different things there as a studying drug, which was very

767
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 3: popular and is still popular, or as a party drug,

768
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Speaker 3: as a let's stay up. It's a stimulant, not not

769
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Speaker 3: like but not unlike cocaine.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's like one of those drugs that's rides the line

772
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: there sometimes and it depends on who you are and

773
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: what's going on internally how it could be used or abused.

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Speaker 3: All right, So that's back in twenty twenty two. At

775
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Speaker 3: the time, CBS Evening News was reporting on how capitalism

776
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 3: did its thing in response to these restrictions being lifted,

777
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 3: and companies like Cerebral and Done Global and countless others

778
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: they popped up or they pivoted, let's say, to begin

779
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: trying to prescribe as many people as they could adderall

780
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: and other stimulants.

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Speaker 2: Because capitalism is a drug that sells you drugs, that's right.

782
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 3: That drug keeps on drugging and then it goes into

783
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Speaker 3: other countries and finds the stuff that you need to

784
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: make the drugs, and secures that it brings it home.

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Speaker 2: A little bit of democracy, Yeah it's fine. It's fine

786
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: to getting situations.

787
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fine. So back then in twenty twenty two,

788
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Speaker 3: at the very end of it, there's this person named

789
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Speaker 3: Kyle Robertson who was for quite a time and officially

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Speaker 3: on paper forever, the founder of Cerebral, which was one

791
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 3: of these companies who was doing this. And if you

792
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: watch this video, it's a short video. In a pretty

793
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: long report out of CBS Evening News, they discuss how

794
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Speaker 3: this person was ousted at the company. This Kyle Robertson

795
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: of Cerebral but he made some statements before that whole

796
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Speaker 3: thing happened, and I think right after it happened, alleging

797
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Speaker 3: that quote, major investors pushed for increased prescriptions of adderall.

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00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: So it was the money that was going into the

799
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Speaker 3: company and the people who are providing the money for

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Speaker 3: the company saying, hey, we need you to up these prescriptions.

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Speaker 5: Guys, that's not how it's supposed to work. Oh yeah,

802
00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 5: exactly how it's supposed to work.

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00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 3: Well, here's why where it gets weird and how we

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Speaker 3: get to our main story for this segment. So that's

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Speaker 3: cerebral Cerebral Health. I think it's called that was back

806
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two. We are jumping to June eighteenth,

807
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, when there's another telehealth company that just

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00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 3: got in big trouble and there were arrests made. Let's

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Speaker 3: quickly just talk about how weird that is. Generally, when

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Speaker 3: we bring these stories to you, if it's about a

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Speaker 3: corporation or a big company, something that has a lot

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Speaker 3: of profits that could be potentially helpful. Let's say, for

813
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Speaker 3: the bottom line of the old GDP thing in the US,

814
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Speaker 3: the company gets slapped with a fine because Uncle Sam

815
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Speaker 3: gets his cut, and then that's it. They don't have

816
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 3: to say, hey, we did a bunch of wrong things.

817
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: Nobody goes to jail. It's just, hey, y'all did a

818
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: bad thing. You're not supposed to do that. Give us

819
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Speaker 3: some money, okay.

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Speaker 2: And if the punishment for a crime is a fee,

821
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Speaker 2: then ultimately the crime is being poor. That's just true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's a cost of doing business, as we've said.

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Speaker 2: And this is what I really appreciate about the point

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Speaker 2: you're building here, man, is that we have seen numerous

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Speaker 2: other instances wherein the individuals responsible for the commission of

826
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Speaker 2: the crime are not themselves punished as human individuals. Shout

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Speaker 2: out the Sackler family, right. So this case is different

828
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Speaker 2: in that there are decision makers who are in criminal trouble,

829
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Speaker 2: not civil court or anything like that.

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Speaker 5: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm going to give you the headline of this

832
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: article and then we'll jump into the specifics the article

833
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: that you can find right now. Telehealth ceo charged in

834
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Speaker 3: alleged one hundred million dollar scheme to provide quote easy

835
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Speaker 3: access unquote to adderall and other stimulants. This is out

836
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Speaker 3: of CBS News June eighteenth, and in this article it

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Speaker 3: describes how two of the top people, the CEO and

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Speaker 3: I guess it's the clinical president or the head doctor

839
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Speaker 3: of this company, were both arrested and they have been

840
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Speaker 3: charged with some pretty serious crime, some allegations that the

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Speaker 3: Department of Justice is saying these are not good. I'll

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Speaker 3: just give you from the article here the two individuals.

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Speaker 3: Ruthia he r U t Hi A H E. This

844
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Speaker 3: is the founder of Done Global d N E G

845
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Speaker 3: L O B A L. This person was arrested in

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles, and this is over allegations that she I'm

847
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Speaker 3: going to list them off. One participated in the distribution

848
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Speaker 3: of adderall over the internet, two submitted false and fraudulent

849
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Speaker 3: claims for reimbursements, and three obstructed justice. The company's clinical president,

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Speaker 3: a separate person named David Brody, was also arrested, this

851
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 3: time in San Rafael, California, same charges. So are the

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Speaker 3: two main arrests that have occurred. Which is already a

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00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: big deal, right.

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Speaker 5: Is this what you might call a pill mill? Is

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Speaker 5: this similar to that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Okay, pill mills exactly, at least according to the Department

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Speaker 3: of Justice and Ann Milgram, who is oh gosh, she's

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Speaker 3: the dea administrator currently the Drug Enforcement Agency Administrator. This

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Speaker 3: company was basically just trying to get as many people

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Speaker 3: as they could hooked on adderall, and not via a

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00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: full on prescription that you would get from a doctor

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Speaker 3: if you went in it was. It was selling people

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Speaker 3: monthly subscriptions to a service wherein they can just get adderall.

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense? The difference between a prescription and

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Speaker 3: a subscription.

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Speaker 2: It's called being a drug dealer because a prescription is

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Speaker 2: prescribed for a defined window of time. A subscription expires

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Speaker 2: when you decide not to pay for the fee.

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Speaker 4: And certain I I have a prescription low dose prescription

871
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 4: for some anxiety medication, and it has zero refills every

872
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 4: single round, right, so one refill lasts an entire month,

873
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 4: and then the doctor has to call it in every time,

874
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 4: and after a certain number.

875
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 5: Of those I have to I'm required.

876
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 4: To go in for a visit for them to check

877
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 4: up on me and make sure I'm still worthy of

878
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 4: the anxiety medication or whatever it is. But it's a

879
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 4: way of keeping track and checking on you and making

880
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 4: sure you're not just willy nilly popping these things like

881
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 4: you know.

882
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 3: Jujubes well and anxiety medications very similar to ADHD. Medications

883
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: can have some pretty gnarly effects, especially yes, especially when

884
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 3: you combine, and can be extremely addictive.

885
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: Sotius effects, addiction spirals. Yeah, check out our new Tropics

886
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: episode as well.

887
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 4: So we'll talk about that a little bit too in

888
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 4: next Listener Mail episode.

889
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: YEP. I want to make sure we get this out there.

890
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: Every understands the company is done Global Incorporated, don Global Incorporated.

891
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 5: The certainly are done.

892
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: Well well, I don't know. If you go to the website,

893
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 3: it looks like everything's still going. They've been arrested, bad

894
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: stuff's happening, but as of right now they're in litigation

895
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 3: or whatever.

896
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: You know, right And also, again, getting in trouble as

897
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: a corporation is different from if you are a John

898
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: or Jane do Schmo and you get in trouble. I

899
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: think one important point before we really drive this home,

900
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: met is we haven't said it yet, but this medication

901
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: is mission critical and life changing for many people. It's

902
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 2: not everybody is out there recreationally doing adderall. Some people

903
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: need it to function at a competent level and absolutely

904
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: improve their lives to a massive degree.

905
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 5: And it has a completely different effect for those people.

906
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 4: The people that are just taking it recreationally or to

907
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 4: get it edge or whatever.

908
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 5: It's an amphetamine.

909
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 4: But for people that really need it for ADHD or

910
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 4: true whatever you know, similar condition, it calms them down.

911
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 4: I've always found that to be an interesting paradox. That's

912
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 4: true of a lot of drugs, Like if you're using

913
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 4: it for the right reasons, it's different effect so different.

914
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I know several people very close to me who

915
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: use that medication because they need it, and since they

916
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 3: need it, they see a psychiatrist who helps them make

917
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 3: sure they still need it and all of that. I mean,

918
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 3: it's exactly what you were talking about. No, there's a

919
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 3: medical professional who was there for them, who is providing

920
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: that service and taking literally medical care of them by

921
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 3: providing this.

922
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: Stuff, combined with secondary treatments and mitigation strategies like meditation,

923
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: mindfulness exercises which everybody should be attempting. Listening like active

924
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: listening exercises are big for ADHD. As someone who struggled

925
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: with it, it's not you know, like a waiting for the

926
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 2: turn to get the dopamine a talking kind of thing,

927
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: you know, And that that I think really really expands

928
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: the afficacy of this kind of.

929
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: Medication fully, fully and that's I think why DEA administrator

930
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 3: and Milgram, and you know, the DOJ is so kind

931
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 3: of upset at these folks who are who are taking

932
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 3: this and turning it on its head to turn a profit. Right,

933
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 3: I'm going to read just a quick statement here from

934
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 3: DEA administrator and Milgram. She released this on June fourteenth,

935
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: after the arrests were announced by the DJ. It's kind

936
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: of long, guys, but I think this just drives it

937
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 3: home of what's happening. The defendants allegedly preyed on Americans

938
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 3: and put profits over patients by exploiting telemedicine rules that

939
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 3: facilitated access to medications during the unprecedented COVID nineteen public

940
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 3: health emergency. Instead of properly addressing medical needs, the defendants

941
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 3: allegedly made millions of dollars by pushing addictive medications, in

942
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: many cases done global prescribed ADHD medications when they were

943
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: not medically necessary. And this is important. The allegations are

944
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: that they knew these medications were not necessary, but there

945
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: was a push from above to get as many quote

946
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 3: monthly subscriptions as they possibly could. And all of these

947
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 3: medical providers, because they did actually hire medical providers to

948
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 3: do these telehealth these interviews basically, and they were pushed

949
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 3: and pressured to give the green light to a subscription

950
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: rather than you do anything else. Oh and they were

951
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: also pushed from above to only have one meeting, one

952
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 3: medical visit, right, shake and bake.

953
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 4: I do wonder if there's something in the way they

954
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 4: talk to their patients or the boxes they tick on

955
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 4: their intakes that cover their butts in some way, because

956
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 4: I describe my situation with anxiety stuff.

957
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 5: But when I go into the.

958
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,439
Speaker 4: Office, they don't like probe me about it. They don't

959
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 4: really test anything. They just look at me and make

960
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 4: sure I'm not cuckoo bananas, and then they give me

961
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 4: my script, you know, and even getting it in the

962
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 4: first place, like wasn't insanely hard. I'm not saying that

963
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 4: I'm going in and trying to you know, fleece doctors

964
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 4: for like prescription meds. But I just said, you know,

965
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 4: I've been experiencing some pretty significant stresses with work, and

966
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 4: and you know, just as simple as that, here you go,

967
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 4: my boy, have this low dose of alpraz lamb or whatever.

968
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 4: So I would argue this isn't that far off from

969
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 4: the way the model's supposed to work, But there is

970
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 4: a little extra level of oversight in the legitimate form.

971
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 4: I just wonder what they're asking to cover their butts,

972
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 4: because they have to have some on paper reason they're

973
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 4: giving these out. Or do they just throw caution into

974
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 4: the wind and not give a flip.

975
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 3: They have a medical professional make an assessment, what.

976
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 4: I mean, But it's up to their discretion, you know. Yeah,

977
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 4: but on's defend themselves.

978
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: I guess once you have that as the company, I'm

979
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: assuming they just chose to say this is good enough, right.

980
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: It's like a president mm hmm.

981
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 3: It's like when sometimes when we're performing interviews or something

982
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 3: and we're doing it more man on the street style. Officially,

983
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: we need to get some document signed that says, hey,

984
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 3: this is who I am, and I give you permission

985
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 3: to use this interview. But if we can't get that,

986
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 3: or we don't have one of those on us, or

987
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 3: we're in a rush, you can do something where a

988
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 3: human being looks into the camera and records themselves saying, Hi,

989
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: I am X, and you can use this footage of

990
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 3: me in your interview. That way, it covers our butts

991
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 3: if we ever use that interview, right.

992
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: And it's also ethical for us to do that at

993
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 2: the end, so they know what they're agreeing to share.

994
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, and the butt covering involves in case they

995
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 4: change their mind or regret something they said.

996
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 5: But even in those situations, we're more.

997
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 4: Likely to like work with someone and be like, you know,

998
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 4: we're not going to like drag you.

999
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 3: Or whatever exactly. But guys, just to take this back

1000
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 3: to the top one more time, to twenty twenty two.

1001
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 3: In this statement from Anne Milgrim, she puts this towards

1002
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 3: the end. There was a shortage of adderall and other

1003
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 3: stimulants in twenty twenty two. The FDA issued to notice

1004
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 3: about this. It was a big deal. It was all

1005
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: over the news. We even mentioned it. I think back

1006
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: back then and this pill mill style thing that was

1007
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: not necessary anymore because in twenty twenty two, I don't

1008
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: know if y'all remember, we could drive places again, we

1009
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 3: could go to places again, and if we really, if

1010
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 3: a human being needed to go get a prescription, you

1011
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 3: could go see a medical professional. Doesn't mean it wasn't

1012
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: necessary for a lot of people, right, But it does

1013
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 3: mean that the vast majority of humans didn't need or

1014
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 3: have those restrictions anyway.

1015
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 5: Right.

1016
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: But another thing we could argue, we see this in

1017
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: other industries, prices have prices spike during similar supply chain issues.

1018
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 2: In the pandemic, however, all that really happened is corporations

1019
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: figured out they could shift the overton window. The prices

1020
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: didn't go down. So if you have a rule that's

1021
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: supposed to be a limited time i'm rule for a

1022
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: global catastrophe, why would you dial it back as the

1023
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 2: corport It's like to say, if it is advantageous to you,

1024
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 2: that's the pickle, right, that's the bag of badgers here?

1025
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: Why would you step that back? You could even if

1026
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: you want to play along at home. If you have

1027
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: a doctor that you feel maybe somehow incentivized to go

1028
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: a little hard on stuff that might be a solution

1029
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: you ask yourself about after a couple of other interventions,

1030
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: then there's nothing wrong with asking the doctor. Are there

1031
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: steps between this, like steps between ADHD or heavy psychoactive meds?

1032
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: Depending on how you feel about your doctor, you could

1033
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: even ask have you been in any way incentivized to

1034
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: immediately recommend this?

1035
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 4: It seems like if if they are they wouldn't tell you.

1036
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 4: I know there are honorable people in the medical profession.

1037
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 4: I know there are dishonorable people in the medical profession,

1038
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 4: as there are in any profession. But I just you know,

1039
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 4: you got me thinking, guys, how many think about how

1040
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 4: many things just kind of stayed around after COVID, Like

1041
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 4: it just became the new norm, you know, like not

1042
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 4: going into the office, and then there became all of

1043
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 4: these kind of mitigating efforts to try to push back

1044
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 4: the clock and make things like they used to be.

1045
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 4: But it's really hard once you got that critical mass.

1046
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 4: So now you do have companies like Hymn's and hers.

1047
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 4: I mean there's always been prescription male things, but it seems.

1048
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 5: Like now it's really taken off.

1049
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 4: And we're also going to get into another discussion soon

1050
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 4: about how this supply chain shortage thing for drugs like

1051
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 4: a jozepic and manjarro are now affecting the folks that

1052
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 4: have needed those drugs for a long time for reasons

1053
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 4: other than you know, dropping some pounds.

1054
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, the Overton window of normalization and that I

1055
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 2: don't want to derail us here, but I feel what

1056
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: you're saying, like the larger context of this. If anything,

1057
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: the scary thing, the scared very aspect of this story

1058
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 2: is the extraordinary part being individual human beings were arrested,

1059
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 2: got in trouble at criminal court. That is by far,

1060
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: unfortunately the most anomalous part of this.

1061
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big deal. It's a really big deal.

1062
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: This comes from court documents and this is how I

1063
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 3: want to end it.

1064
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 5: Guys.

1065
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 3: These individuals in the company are accused of structuring the

1066
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 3: company's platform to quote facilitate access to adderall and other stimulants,

1067
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 3: including by limiting the information available to the prescribers, the

1068
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 3: people who bought the monthly subscription, instructing DONE prescribers. Prescribers

1069
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 3: these are the medical professionals to prescribe adderall and other

1070
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 3: stimulants even if the DONE member did not qualify, like

1071
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 3: according to the assessment, did not qualify, and by mandating

1072
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 3: that those medical professionals, those prescribers in their initial encounters,

1073
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: limited them to thirty minutes or less. So literally, you've

1074
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 3: we've got thirty minutes. Make sure this person gets an adderall.

1075
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: Prescription, make sure they walk out the door with it.

1076
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, and are paying us monthly because we need

1077
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 3: to make over one hundred million dollars at least according

1078
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 3: to the documents there. Good golly, no, thanks.

1079
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, and it is you know, it is

1080
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: a function of several active conspiracies, right, the privatization, the monetization,

1081
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 2: commodification of basic human rights like healthcare. It's something, Matt,

1082
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 2: you tell us, is this something that you think will

1083
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: set precedent for other similar activities in the world of medicine.

1084
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's already happening. And this is one

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Speaker 3: of many companies that are doing this precise thing. Maybe

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Speaker 3: not in the same way, right, maybe they are actually

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Speaker 3: attempting to get people prescribed the medications that they need.

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Speaker 3: But kind of what you're saying, the window is open now, right,

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Speaker 3: and anybody with enough capital to get in there and

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Speaker 3: start a company and you tackle this stuff and capture

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Speaker 3: it can do that.

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Speaker 4: But on the flip side, do you think, with this

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Speaker 4: attention being brought to this case, if others are going

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Speaker 4: to start coming out of the woodwork and then there's

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Speaker 4: going to be more of a crackdown on this type

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Speaker 4: of behavior. Is this like just the first step in

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Speaker 4: a series of chess moves that ultimately could topple this

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Speaker 4: kind of structure.

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Speaker 3: Well, we were talking about how Cerebral got in big

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Speaker 3: trouble for doing something very similar to this, and I

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Speaker 3: think I think ADHD medications are just one of those

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Speaker 3: things that can be used in this way. Right now,

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Speaker 3: There's gonna be others, and there have been others. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure I just don't know them right now. Guys, this

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Speaker 3: is the response from DONE Global really quickly. They strongly

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Speaker 3: disagree with the criminal charges filed last week against their founder,

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Speaker 3: which are based on events that principally occurred between twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty and twenty twenty three. Since our founding, guys, they've

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Speaker 3: worked to make mental health care accessible for tens of

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Speaker 3: thousands of Americans trapped in a spiraling national crisis. Done

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Speaker 3: Global will continue to operate and do everything in their

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Speaker 3: power to ensure that tens of thousands of Americans that

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Speaker 3: rely on us do not lose access to their mental

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Speaker 3: health care.

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Speaker 2: By paying their subscription.

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Speaker 4: Well, guys, I don't know about you, but I take

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Speaker 4: them at their word. I'm satisfied. I think we should

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Speaker 4: move on.

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Speaker 3: No, I really I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: And with this, folks, we are ending our exploration of

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Speaker 2: strange news for the moment. We will return with even

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Speaker 2: more bizarre things in the future. We can't wait for

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Speaker 2: you to join us. We want to hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Got to write to several people in place of a

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Speaker 2: night walk this evening. But there are some breaking news

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Speaker 2: that happened as we were recording. The US Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: just today struck down the anti corruption law that makes

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Speaker 2: it a cry to take gifts from donors.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, who needs anti corruption? Me corrupt? It's fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a non surprising six 's three vote. Shout

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Speaker 2: out to our George boy Clarence. I hope he writes

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Speaker 2: the I hope he writes a poetic defense of recreational vehicles.

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Speaker 5: But those those vacations, does any boys?

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Speaker 2: Our views are so cool though objectively I'm with him

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Speaker 3: We are conspirac because I forgot to add one line

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Speaker 3: in here from this, I gotta tell you this. This

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Speaker 3: is this is the icing on the cake. According to

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Speaker 3: Done Global, they're going to continue to quote support our

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Speaker 3: clinicians as they exercise independent clinical judgment. Passing the buck

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