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Speaker 1: the Twentymen in the Huddle podcast, presented by Microsoft. And

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Speaker 1: it's been a busy week in Alan Park. You know,

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Speaker 1: kids building trust with me. I mean he's been making

427
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Speaker 1: some plays in practice obviously the play last week. But

428
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,280
Speaker 1: how important is that relationship and how much have you

429
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 1: guys been able to work and kind of build that

430
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Speaker 1: up as as as we get now into the second

431
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 1: half of the season. Yeah, I mean it's very important obviously,

432
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Speaker 1: especially with me not not doing anything in the spring,

433
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 1: kind of limited in training camp at first, and you know,

434
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 1: kind of coming on late in training camp. Um So,

435
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 1: I didn't really get much time with him really up

436
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: until maybe a week or two ago. Honestly, um So,

437
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 1: that's very important. And for me, you know, I'm a

438
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,199
Speaker 1: quiet laid back guy. So it's it's like you, like

439
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: you said, just trying to make plays in practice, um

440
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 1: show that I know the game plan and you know,

441
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,439
Speaker 1: just really just try to have no mas and just

442
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: be sharp with everything I do. You know, I always

443
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 1: like to dig into guys who are going to be

444
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 1: on the podcast history, a little bit background. Maybe maybe

445
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,479
Speaker 1: there's a little backstory, something fun there. And I know

446
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,959
Speaker 1: there's a cause that's dear to your heart and it

447
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 1: is to mind too. It's it's breast cancer awareness because

448
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 1: your mom obviously dealt with that. My mom was a

449
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: three time breast cancer survivor too. So when I when

450
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: I looked at that and saw that, so, well, that's

451
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: really relatable. But then you told a story that because

452
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Speaker 1: of that, you're really never supposed to be here, right,

453
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Speaker 1: I mean, can you tell? Can you tell the story?

454
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Speaker 1: So it was actually not breast cancer. It was so

455
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Speaker 1: she had my twin sisters, uh in ninety four, and

456
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Speaker 1: then she got bone cancer after that. Okay, so after

457
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Speaker 1: she went through that battle, they had told her that

458
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Speaker 1: you know, you'll never conceive again, and then it was

459
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Speaker 1: like five years later they were got pregnant with the sons.

460
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Speaker 1: So Yeah, that's what my dad calls me, causing a

461
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Speaker 1: miracle child, and he tells that story in church all

462
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Speaker 1: the time. And then it was in I was in

463
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Speaker 1: sixth grade, so I guess I was twelve. She got

464
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Speaker 1: diagnosed with breast cancer. So that was hard as a

465
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Speaker 1: you know, as a young kid, you you really only

466
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Speaker 1: think of one thing. I mean, to be honest with you,

467
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: that's hard to hear the same way as a sixth grader.

468
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Speaker 1: So that was that was rough. But once again, I

469
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Speaker 1: mean my friends, my sister's friends, our church family, I

470
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: mean they were cooking us meals, offering to take us

471
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Speaker 1: to school, like it was. It was unbelievable really to support.

472
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Speaker 1: And that helped a lot. And you know, thank god

473
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Speaker 1: she she got through it a strong woman. You got

474
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Speaker 1: no doubt gro for sure. Yeah, mine to one hundred percent.

475
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Speaker 1: Were they were they there Sunday? By chance? They were

476
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: not there Sunday. No. My friends from my friends perhaps,

477
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: so you had all your friends. Yeah, from two of

478
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 1: my friends, Tanner Kennedy and Caden Gibson. They came up.

479
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: They're two of my best friends from high school. So

480
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: they got to see my first cash and they were

481
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: pretty excited so that that was awesome. So now that

482
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 1: obviously you're gonna be a bigger part of the game

483
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: plan this week. Does do they to get requests go

484
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: up this week? At all? Your phone blown up and

485
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Speaker 1: all you got some requests? So the writings on the wall,

486
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna gonna you know, you're gonna play

487
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: a little You're gonna play some some bigger roles here

488
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Speaker 1: moving forward. Yeah, I wouldn't say there's been to me requests.

489
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Speaker 1: My mom and dad are coming this week, Um, but

490
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Speaker 1: they had planned to come. I will say that, but

491
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that they'll get to come and you know,

492
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Speaker 1: see hopefully I guess some more reps and they'll get

493
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Speaker 1: to see that and be there for that. So, m

494
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Speaker 1: what do you want to see more consistently consistently with us?

495
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: Obviously the first month of the season explosive, right, you

496
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: guys were right there among the leaders. Offensively struggled the

497
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 1: next two weeks against you know, New England and Dallas

498
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: got it back last week, but just for kind of

499
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: a half penalty has got in the way. Just what

500
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: do you guys need to do offensive to kind of

501
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: keep that just consistently rolling? Because we've seen how good

502
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: you guys can be in flashes. Yeah, I think we

503
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: just can't kill ourselves. Um, you know, self inflicted things.

504
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: So we can't have those because, like you said, we

505
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: were really hot in the first half and we just

506
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: got to finish that and just compliment the defense and

507
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: defense compliment us, just pick each other up. But yeah,

508
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: I would say, just the biggest thing is we just

509
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: gotta finished finish full game. Well, I know Lions fans

510
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: are gonna be excited to see what you bring to

511
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Speaker 1: the table. Fifth round draft pick, getting healthy and like

512
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, you were a playmaker in college,

513
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: so Lions fans are be excited. Thanks for joining me.

514
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: He's James Mitchell. Look out for him Sunday against Green

515
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: Bay's gonna play a big role. All right, thank you.

516
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the twenty Even in the Huddle podcast

517
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: present up by Microsoft. And look, it's Green Bay Packers

518
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions week, so better than to come and join

519
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: me on the podcast. Is a former Green Bay Packer

520
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: and a former Detroit Lion. He is t J. Lang Teach.

521
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. I appreciate you, man. Actually, the

522
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: first time I think in the last three years to

523
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: him that these two teams haven't met up on my birthday. Really, yeah,

524
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: so I don't it doesn't ruin my day. I was

525
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: able to enjoy my birthday this year. Well yeah last year.

526
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: People year before that birthday. I'm like, man, I think

527
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 1: the commissioner hates me with this schedule. He doesn't want

528
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: me to have any fun on my birthday. As you

529
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: do anything fun for your birthday. Uh no, No, I

530
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: think I just golfed and that's your golfing in November.

531
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: But that's that's that's not bad schedules late October early

532
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: goes around the kids now, so I don't get much

533
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: time to myself anymore. I know how that goes. You know,

534
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: this is the key matchup segment. And you know, we

535
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: look at five key ones and the first one for

536
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: me Malcolm Rodriguez and Aaron Jones. You know, Malcolm Redder

537
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: just coming off a you know, another good game for him,

538
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: had at seven tackles, one sack, the fumble recovery. And

539
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: you look at Aaron Jones one hundred forty three yards

540
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: against Buffalo, that offensive struggle. But that's been really one

541
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: of the more consistent things is their ability to run

542
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: the football. Just what do you see from that matchup?

543
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: What's the key? One key there? Well, I think where

544
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: I like to give Malcolm maybe a little bit of

545
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: an edge is because he's a very fast downhill linebacker.

546
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of it, and that's what they

547
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: ask him to do. Defensively. They want him to get

548
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: down line of scrimmage, try to pull off some of

549
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: those double teams that those dtackles are facing. And that

550
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: actually goes against what Aaron Jones is really good at.

551
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: Two Eric meshes up well, because Aaron Jones is he's

552
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: not a patient runner. He doesn't sit back there right,

553
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: and you know he's cutting back like he is through

554
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage so dang fast. He's just a

555
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: lightning bolt back there. And he's not an overly powerful guy,

556
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: but he just gets he gathers so much speed in

557
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: such a short amount of space and hits that line

558
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: so fast. And that's where I think, Look, this is

559
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: gonna be a good opportunity for not only Malcolm, but

560
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: the other linebackers to show off what they've been good

561
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: at and what they what the coaches want them to

562
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: do as far as getting downhill and meeting those running

563
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: backs at the line of scrimmage. Detroit Lions defense has

564
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: been in trouble a little bit, those linebacker groups when

565
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: they start to overpursue right um and now you're opening

566
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: up the backside for a whole lot big plays. Aaron Jones,

567
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna get. He's coming. He's coming

568
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: right downhill. He's coming right at you, and he comes

569
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: with a lot of power for being a little guy,

570
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: but he's you know, that's gonna be Green Bay's game plan.

571
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: I think they tried to get back to it last

572
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: week as far as getting thirty three as many touches

573
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 1: as possible. We know they kind of run into ran

574
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: into a bus against the Buffalo Bills. They're just playing

575
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: at a different level of football than anybody else. But

576
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: I would expect them to continue to make thirty three.

577
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: The younger Aaron the key aspect of their offense, and

578
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: that's just how that's that's the way that they they've

579
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: won football games in the past three years under Matt Lafloor.

580
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: So it's going to be a heck of a challenge

581
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: from Coom Rodriguez to bring him down the line of

582
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: scrimmage and not allow any of those explosive games. Stick

583
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: with what you're good at, right, Yeah, I mean you

584
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: win football games. When you look at Green Bay, when

585
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: they're successful, it's win thirty three is involved in a

586
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: big part of whether that's running the football or you know,

587
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: catch it. And that's another area that Malcolm's got to

588
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: be really good at two and has proven that he

589
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: can be. It is playing in space, and they're going

590
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: to try to get Aaron in space some of those screens,

591
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: some of little short stuff, and he's just got to

592
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: be a good tackler. They got to rally the football. Yeah,

593
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: and if you're Green Bay, like you said to him,

594
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: I mean every year they kind of go through a

595
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: little bit of a rough stretch and hey, why do

596
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: we lose the game? And you look at it and

597
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: you're like, well, Aaron Jones got six touches, you know,

598
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: like that, that's funny. You're doing most dynamic players now

599
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: there is. And even though they didn't beat the Buffalo Bills,

600
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: I think they started to figure out offensively, the way

601
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: that we gain rhythm, the way that we make our

602
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: young offensive line comfortable is by running the ball. I

603
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: don't think that's a team that's set up anymore to

604
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: just drop back to forty forty five times and throw

605
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: the ball, because they're very they're very youthful on the

606
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: outside as well. And let's let's move up front. Pennay

607
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: school verse rush On Gary. And you look at rush

608
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: On Gary. He's had a terrific start to the season.

609
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: Six sacks, eleven quarterback hits, seven tackles for loss, leads

610
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: to Packers in all three categories. And it's a terrific

611
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: matchup with Penney because look, you know, offensive line play

612
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: better than anybody from the outside looking in. I mean,

613
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: right now, he looks like one of the better right

614
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: tackles in football. I mean, he is a confident young man.

615
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: He's really athletic, knows how to use that athleticism, you know,

616
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: you know on that right side. And that should be

617
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: a great matchup on Sunday, don't you think? No, it

618
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: should be. And Pennay to me just looks so comfortable

619
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: in what he's doing, and he's combining that with confidence.

620
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's you know, he doesn't seem like a

621
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: cocky type player, but you know, if he beats up

622
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: me on, he's gonna let you know, I mean it

623
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: takes pride in that as most offensive lineman should he

624
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: just looks like for a twenty two year old kid.

625
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: The scary thing for me is like twenty two look

626
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: like when he's twenty five, twenty six, or he's gonna

627
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: only continue to get better, And that for me is

628
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: so exciting just because he already does look like a

629
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: pretty polished dude right tackle. He's only playing there for

630
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: a year and a half, so you do you have to.

631
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I played with a lot of guys who

632
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, whether it was three or five, whether it

633
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: was three fifty, you know, moving like tight ends and

634
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: you know, just doing some crazy athleticis athletic feats in

635
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: the weight room, and it's just like, my goodness, man,

636
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: like he's one of those guys and he makes it

637
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: look easy like he really does. You never really see

638
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: him put him put his body or you know, his angle.

639
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Speaker 1: You never really see him getting bad positions. You know.

640
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: I think where you see him get in trouble a

641
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: little bit is maybe you know, with his hands a

642
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: little bit, maybe he'll try to bait somebody a little too,

643
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: And you know that's that's an area that he's still

644
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: improving at but in my opinion, he's still very good at.

645
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: But his footwork, to me is just what's really stood

646
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: out this year. He doesn't put himself in many bad

647
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: spots and on the flip side or Shan Gary is

648
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: a guy who um kind of a you know a

649
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: little bit different type. I mean a lot of the

650
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: people I thought, you know, look at him as being

651
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: a more power rusher. Right he came in as a

652
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: converted you know, d tackle from college and moved downside linebacker.

653
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: You're thinking, Okay, this guy's gonna bull rush him every time.

654
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: Like he's he's actually a really good athlete out there.

655
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: He can bend the corner, he can get in the

656
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: backfield in a hurry. I think his first step off

657
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: the ball is pretty impressive because it really you know,

658
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: if you're that tackle and you're a split second laid

659
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: off the ball and that guy gets by you, I mean,

660
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna spell trouble. So that's uh. Pons had some

661
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: really good matchups so far this year. I mean, just

662
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: looking a couple of weeks back against Michael Parsons. You know, Mike,

663
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: it didn't really do much against him in the passing game.

664
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: And you know, I think that this kid every week,

665
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, no matter what right tackle, left tackle, you're

666
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: going against big time players now, and penas sewell, it's

667
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: just another chance for him to add to add to

668
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: an already impressive resume. His confidence has got to be

669
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: sky high right now. The way he played against some

670
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: of those guys a half sack all year. Again, like

671
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: you said, some of the talented rushers that he sees

672
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: every week. I mean, it's a production base business. And

673
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: and Penney has been as productive as as anyone else. Yeah,

674
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: And I think especially when you look at you know,

675
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: kind of the offensive rut they've been in the last

676
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: three weeks now, you're asking this offensive line to probably

677
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: pass protect more than you would like. And I think

678
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: we all know that they want to run the ball.

679
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: They want to run the play action. You don't want

680
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: to sit back there and just throw, you know, thirty

681
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: drop back passes. But you know, they had to do

682
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: it against New England, they had to do it against

683
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: Dallas late in the game, and they had to do

684
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: it a little bit last week against Miami, and you know,

685
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: the whole offensive line stood up to all but you know,

686
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: pena shows that he's not just a muller in the

687
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: run game. I mean he can he can be a

688
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: dancing bear back there in the pass protection game too.

689
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: And I know that you know, as offensive linemates, really

690
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: appreciate him. And I'm sure Jared Goff does as well.

691
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: I know you're a radio guy. But that's a nice

692
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: little segue here on video into my end of the

693
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: next matchup here, because like we talked about with Malcolm

694
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Speaker 1: Ruder recent Aaron Jones, I think it's DeAndre Swift and

695
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: Quay Walker. Now, obviously Devandre Campbell is kind of their guy,

696
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: but he's dealing with an injury, hasn't been at practice,

697
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: so they might have to rely on Quay a rookie

698
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: much more. You got two Georgia boys here, right, Yeah.

699
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: And for DeAndre, we talked to him this week. He

700
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: feels a little bit better than he did last week.

701
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 1: He returned to practice on Thursday after sitting out Wednesday,

702
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: and that might be a thing with him moving forward.

703
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: Maybe you set out to Wednesday or you set out

704
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: of practice just kind of preserve him a little bit more.

705
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: But look, this is a much better offense when DeAndre

706
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: Swift is a bigger part of it. You know, got

707
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: thirty three snaps and ten touches last week. Part of

708
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: that I think was just him working his way back,

709
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: But he's the explosive element, especially with t J. Hockinson

710
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: not there. To me, it's Saint Brown and it's DeAndre Swift, right,

711
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: and so I think that matchup is going to be

712
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: a very interesting one to Walker second on the team

713
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: behind Campbell with fifty six tackles. But I think this

714
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: one was more about Swift and how can the Lions

715
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: get him involved, get him back to making some of

716
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: those big plays. Yeah, and like you mentioned, I think

717
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: it's just about the health. I know, coach mentioned after

718
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: the Miami game that you know, it's good to have

719
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: Swift back out there, but he wasn't ready. Yeah, I

720
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: think they kind of felt like maybe they pushed it

721
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: a little bit, and you can understand that. I mean everybody,

722
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: of course, you want one of your most dynamic players

723
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: on my field, right, especially with the way this season

724
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: has turned out, and you know, back's kind of being

725
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: against the wall, but hopefully that hopefully he's healthy. I mean,

726
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: even when he's out there on a pitch count, like

727
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned, only ten touches last week. He makes a difference.

728
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: We saw that in the passing game last last week

729
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: against Miami in the red zone, you know, coming out

730
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: getting one on one with the linebacker, doing a little

731
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: shimmy shake and see you over the middle, you know

732
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: for a touch he's going to be And it kind

733
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: of reminds me of, you know, a theoretic type guy.

734
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: You know, where you put a you put a linebacker

735
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: on that dude, like you're not no chance, you know

736
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: what I mean. So that's just that's a huge advantage

737
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: for this offense um and and with DeAndre it's been

738
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: We've all known who he is. He's a very dynamic,

739
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: explosive playmaker for this offense. The only question is the

740
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: health right and I know he's been dinged up a

741
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: little bit each year and this year, you know, missing

742
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: the I think it was three games and coming back

743
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: little bit last week, maybe not being himself. Hopefully that

744
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: extra week, you know, practice throughout this week lets him

745
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: heal up because they need him, they just do. And

746
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, missing Hawkinson, that's a big target over

747
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. Now teams are going to

748
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: start to probably look to take away fourteen first rather

749
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 1: than eighty eight. That's just gonna give you. It's gonna

750
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: give you more options when it comes to the passing

751
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: attack as far as the running backs concerned. So kway

752
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Walker you look at on the flip side too. I mean,

753
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of speed, he really does. That's

754
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: the thing that sticks out. He's a big dude. But

755
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: that's a good duel there with him and Campbell, it

756
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: really is. And Campbell got hurt against Buffalo, want to

757
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: you know, probably be a game time decision. But quay

758
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: Walker is you know, he reminds me of kind of

759
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: like a Devin White type where you see in Tampa

760
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: where he's just a sideline to sideline guy. It's really

761
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: hard to you know, you want to get those outside zones,

762
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: you want to get those tosses, jet sweeps, whatever it is,

763
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: to the edge. You're gonna have to make sure you

764
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: get a hat on him because he's that type of

765
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: dude that can run from the far left hash to

766
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: the right sideline and they could play you know what

767
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you just have to be away of

768
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: where he's at. And DeAndre, Look, I hope he's healthy

769
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: because he is a big difference maker when he is.

770
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: And it's interesting too. You look at that green Bay

771
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: defense and I almost a double take. You see their

772
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: second in the league against the past I think one

773
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: hundred seventy four yards, but then twenty ninth against the run.

774
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: Some of that's been they've been behind and and he's

775
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: have been able to run. But that's very atypical of

776
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: a green Bay defense. So again the importance of Swift.

777
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: It looks like there's some opportunities in the run game

778
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: to make some plays and and and and gash them

779
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: for some big ones. So you hope Swift back healthy. Yeah,

780
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: you do, And that's going to be important. I know

781
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: you just mentioned the run game. I mean, you're gonna

782
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: have to be able to run the ball. I know

783
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: that Green Bay's kind of taking a lot of heat

784
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks, and um, you know people

785
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: are starting to say they're done and the run could

786
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: be over. This is still a really good football team

787
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: in my opinion, that you just haven't found their way

788
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: of really finding that identity so far. But like you said,

789
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: this isn't a team that you want to get into

790
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: that game where you know you're down town and all

791
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden notesn't come to seven and you're back

792
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: there having to throw the ball to catch up. You

793
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: just don't do it. So DeAndre Swift he's going to

794
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: play big impact in the run game hopefully. All Right,

795
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: we got two more Jeff Okuda, who has played terrific,

796
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: and they're still trying to figure some things out there

797
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: in Green Bay with this young wide receiver corps. But

798
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 1: one guy it seems like Aaron's maybe getting a little

799
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: more comfortable with is Romeo Dobbs, the rookie out of Nevada.

800
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: I believe it is one catch eighteen yards allowed by

801
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: Okuda last week. All those yards, right, all those plays,

802
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: he's been really the one consistent guy in that secondary

803
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: and you look like you look at Dabs thirty catches,

804
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: two hundred and ninety six yards, three touchdowns. He's been

805
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: one of the more productive wide receivers as Again, as

806
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: they try to kind of figure that out with Aaron Rodgers,

807
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: but I think that's a key matchup when those two

808
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: guys are on, especially when when Aaron looks to go

809
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: down the field. It seems like Romeo has kind of

810
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: been that guy for him. And you know, with Jeff

811
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: playing as well as he is. That that could be

812
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: definitely an interesting matchup comes on day. Yeah, it should.

813
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: And I think Jeff has earned a lot of praise

814
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: this year. I mean, you know, what he went through

815
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: in year one and trying to live up to the

816
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: you know, expectation of the hype of being a top

817
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: three pick coming back last year, getting hurt. You know,

818
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: people are starting to question, hey, what do we really

819
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: have here? And he's just he's put in so much

820
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: hard work this season, um, to just get back, getting

821
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: back to playing at a high level. And I've been

822
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: impressed with his game. Uh not only you know, he

823
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: looks like he's playing more confident, and he looks like

824
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: the game's starting to slow down a little bit for him,

825
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: where he's not playing a whole lot of catchup anymore

826
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: as rather than you know, anticipating what's coming. And you

827
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: see that a lot. Where I think it really sticks out,

828
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: um is the run game. I mean, he's fearless, like

829
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: he is physical. Fifteen tackles in against US. I think

830
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: it was the first quarterbacks of nine. It's insane, and

831
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's just that's his mentality. Yeah, you

832
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: know he's gonna do anything it takes to, you know,

833
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: help his team win and help his defense improve. So um,

834
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: Jeff's you know, he's been a he's been a constant

835
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: positive I would say for this defense so far. Now, um,

836
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: we'll see what this secondary looks like as a whole.

837
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they've had a bit of a tough

838
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: week losing your position coach. Um. You know, as a player,

839
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: I've been through that a couple times where you lose

840
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: a coach and I can tell you firsthand, you take

841
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: most to blame for it, right you say, yeah, I will.

842
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: We're better on Sundays. You know, if we're out there

843
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: competing and executing and doing we're supposed to do. You know,

844
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: those guys aren't going to pay for it. And it

845
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: is what it is, man, and it's a it's this

846
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: This game is about competing and winning. And you know,

847
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: it's been no surprise as secondary. As a whole, it's

848
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: been a little bit disappointing. Now you know, they can

849
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: use that, hopefully as positive momentum and hopefully it's a

850
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: wake up call to the rest of the group to say, uh,

851
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: you know what, man, like, we're not playing up to

852
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: our level expectation. We're not playing up to uh, you know,

853
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: our talent and what we expect as far as production. So, um,

854
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes that that can as as as as

855
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: rude as it may sound, that can send a wake

856
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: up call to a lot of people. That can really

857
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: change the course of a gamer of a season. So

858
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: because what's next, right, yeah, I mean what's next after that?

859
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: I mean the position coach, cos the only thing next

860
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: is changes to the players, you know, and and wholesale change.

861
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: And so you've got to stick step back and think

862
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: about it. And we've already seen that a little bit too.

863
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: We saw it with Amni who's a healthy scratch against

864
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: New England. We saw it the past couple of weeks

865
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: with Michael Brockers, who was a veteran captain on this

866
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: team that's been a healthy scratch as well. So, um,

867
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully this is the maybe you would say,

868
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: the last uh you know, wake up call that these

869
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: guys need to before they start saying guys like, come on,

870
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: we got to start playing better. And you look at

871
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: the flip side of that manship. Romeo Dubbs as well,

872
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: he's a speedy guy, man, He's got some sneaky speed.

873
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: He doesn't you know, he's not going to burn you

874
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: down the field, just off the line of scrimmage, but

875
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: he's he can. He does a nice job separating, and

876
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: he's for you know, his ball skills for being a

877
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: young player are really really good. I mean I remember

878
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: just watching that catch he had last week against Buffalo

879
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: and it's dude spends around three times, still locates the

880
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: ball and he catches it while you know he's got

881
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: an arm up in his tho yeah and under you know,

882
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: between his hands, like whoa man. That's like really impressive

883
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: for a rookie. So I think he is the one

884
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: player when you talk about the Green Bay offense and

885
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: their passing attack that Aaron Rodgers is starting to get

886
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: more comfortable with. Ye. Sammy Watkins is bad, a lot

887
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: of injuries. Christian Watson, the second round pick, battle a

888
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: lot of injuries, came back last week against Buffalo gets

889
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: and don't know if he's going to be available, But

890
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: Dobbs would definitely be in my opinion when you talk

891
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: about those outside matchups. He would be the first guy

892
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: I would put up there to say we gotta stop

893
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: this guy, all right. I would be remiss if I

894
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: did not talk about the last matchup with your former quarterback.

895
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: I know you're pretty class with with Aaron. And look,

896
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: Aaron's never been one to shy away from expressing his frustrations. Um,

897
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: and he's done that. And we alluded to a little bit.

898
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: I think the key matchup there for me is Aaron

899
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: Rodgers and Glenn. You know the Aaron's Aaron Glen isn't

900
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: going to throw anything at Aaron Rodgers and he hasn't

901
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: seen already right right, it's just about can they fix

902
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: some of the big mistakes that they're making. We talked

903
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: to Aaron Glenn this week and he said he, look,

904
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: he spent more time in that defensive backs room since

905
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: they you know, let go of Aubrey Pleasant um. And

906
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: he just said, look, it's not been good enough. The

907
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: mist assignments. He referenced the wattle touched on the twenty

908
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: nine yard or how they were supposed to be a

909
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: safety overtop. And I think that's been when when when

910
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: we watch it, just the mist assignments, the blown coverages,

911
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: some of those things, like you can't do that stuff

912
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: against Aaron Rodgers because he will see it right away

913
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: and he'll make the right play like, like we said,

914
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: you're not gonna throw anything in him he hasn't seen,

915
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: So I just think that's a key matchup. Can Aaron

916
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: Glenn push the right buttons to to not have the

917
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: blown assignments, just have guys where they need to be.

918
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: I think that's step one. Aaron's still gonna make some plays,

919
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: but but don't give him the easy ones like you

920
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: did last week against Tuah And and I think that

921
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: that's a key match up. What do you think of

922
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: that one? Yeah, no, I like it a lot. And

923
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, Aaron Rodgers with with how much negativity there's

924
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: been around the Green Bay Packers and how disappointing their

925
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: start has been, um, I still tell people I'm not

926
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: betting against them only because they have Aaron Rodgers, Right.

927
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: You people do it so many times eighteen year career

928
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: where hey they're four and six. Wow, they need to

929
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: win out to have a chance, and they win out.

930
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: So it's like, I'm not betting against that guy, Like

931
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: he's just he is what he is, man, He's a

932
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: special player. U. With that being said, defensively, Aaron Glenn,

933
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: what I want to see is a little bit more

934
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: of the tendency breakers you know in that I mean

935
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: third down right. I think every game, every post game

936
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: throughout the last three or four games, you kind of

937
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: hear what the opponents are saying. And I think it

938
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: started with with New England in Dallas and a little

939
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: bit Miami. Everybody saying, oh, we knew what they were

940
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: gonna do on third down. Oh we knew they were

941
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: gonna play you know, zone on first down and then

942
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: go to a man later. Yeah, third down, right, It's

943
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: like teams know this, right, And I get I get

944
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: you have you're youthful, you have a lot of injuries

945
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: that you're battling. You're trying to simp five things. But

946
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: at the same time, I would like to see a

947
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: little bit more breaking those tendencies, maybe being a little

948
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: bit more observant of yourself. Scout, Hey, third down, we're

949
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: playing whatever it is, you know, eighty seven percent man coverage.

950
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: Other teams know that too. They're gonna give us their

951
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: best man beaters, you know what I mean, Change it

952
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: up a little bit showing man drop back in the film,

953
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: because I go back to the last last time these

954
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: two teams met to end the season last year, and

955
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: you remember that first half Aaron Rodgers played, Davante Adams

956
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: played like. There were a lot of plays in that

957
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: game where Aaron Rodgers was sitting back there and looking confused,

958
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: like he didn't know where to go with the ball,

959
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: because I think they were mixing up coverages and they

960
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: were doing a nice job with showing pressure dropping out,

961
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: showing coverage bringing pressure that we're kind of confusing him

962
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. So maybe he's just the type of

963
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: player Aaron Rodgers. He studies so much film and he's

964
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: so aware and he's seen really at all throughout the

965
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: NFL that you're gonna have to change something because if

966
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: you just line up and try to do what you do,

967
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna make you pay for it. So I think

968
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: there's gonna have to be, like I said, hopefully some

969
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: unscouted looks that we haven't seen from this defense so far,

970
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: because if you just line up and play cover too,

971
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna beat you. If you line up and play man,

972
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna check to a man theater and

973
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna beat you. He's just that good. Um,

974
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: So I think that it's gonna be an interesting, probably

975
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: game of cat and mouse a little bit between the

976
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: two errands here, just as far as let's get let's

977
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: get in this guy's head. Don't make him comfortable, don't

978
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: show him the same coverage on third down, you know

979
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: every single time. Make it up a little bit. Hey,

980
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: the first third down we usually bring pressure. Let's show

981
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: that pressure and back out, you know, maybe turn into

982
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: a three man rush and maybe make him scramble a

983
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: little bit. Um. So that for me, is gonna be

984
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: That's gonna definitely be a storyline to watch. Awesome, Hey,

985
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: that's great stuff. I appreciate every week. Everything was really

986
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: really good. I love it, kid. I'll give you one

987
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: maybe once once a month. You guys can also toot

988
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: in ninety seven one. TJ will be on the field

989
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: giving great updates on the radio broadcast as well. You

990
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: do a great job with that, by the way, for

991
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: really good Well, that was Key Matchups presented by bet MGM.

992
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: He is t J Lanying. That was great stuff.