1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Hi'm George and Ore and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Heart Media and Coast to Coast, a imparanormal podcast network. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Shades of the Afterlife with 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: Sander Champlain. Hi. I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty five years, 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: I've been on a journey to prove the existence of 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: life after death. On each episode will discuss the reasons 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: we now know that our loved ones have survived physical death, 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: and so will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Well, 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: if you've been with me since the beginning of Shades 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife, we now have many episodes under our belt, 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: and as with any new relationship, we start off with 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: the good stuff first, don't we. If you go on 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: a date with a new prospective boyfriend her girlfriend, Oh, 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: you have such lovely conversation and it's only a matter 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: of time before you get deeper under the surface of 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: what makes people tick. Well. With me, I've had a 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: fear of sharing the afterlife with people, and as you know. 21 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: It's taken me sometime, and now I feel like I 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: am fully out and fully open. I say that, but 23 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: there's some areas of life after death that I really 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: haven't explored too much. One of them is physical mediumship. 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: And if you've listened to episode three, you've got a 26 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: little taste of trance mediumship. And I do read your comments. 27 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: You may not know this, but if you go to 28 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and you search for shades of the 29 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: afterlife just beneath the episodes, you can leave comments. So 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: why I am telling you this is there was one 31 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: gentleman who wrote about episode three. He wrote complete and 32 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: her bubb kiss, meaning I don't buy it. It's crazy. 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: You may believe it, but you're really out there. That's 34 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: kind of what I took it to mean. In fact, 35 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: when I was on this journey, I wanted the afterlife 36 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: to be real. Oh I really did, But so much 37 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: of what came my way seemed like complete bubb kiss. 38 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: So it took some time. And now I figure our 39 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: relationship is one that you know me, hopefully like me, 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: and you're interested in seeing what else I've explored and 41 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: what else I believe in physical mediumship to me always 42 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: has sounded like something so far out there that our 43 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: human minds can't get around being even remotely possibly true. 44 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: In fact, I didn't even know of its existence. My 45 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: first knowledge of physical mediumship was after a tending the 46 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: e v P conference with Tom and Lisa Butler. That 47 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: was electronic voice phenomena, capturing sounds and then playing them 48 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: back to hear voices and messages from loved ones. Tom 49 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: and Lisa told me something I must experience, and they 50 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: called it physical mediumship. They told of a medium named 51 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: David Thompson from Australia, and the experience they had was this. 52 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: They said, they sat in complete darkness, holding hands with 53 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: a circle of people, and there was a physical medium, 54 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: a person, this David Thompson, tied to a chair sitting 55 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: in a cabinet, the cabinet being a rather large box 56 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: of wood with a cloth in front of it so 57 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: that the medium could get in with his chair, And 58 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: they said in the darkness, voices were heard and people 59 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: became aim real again. So, as my friend earlier said 60 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: in that message, sounded to me like complete bupkus. However, 61 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: I trust Tom and Lisa. They have been on the 62 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: exploration of afterlife communication for so long that I do 63 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: believe them. However, this concept sounded way far out to me, 64 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: and anything that happens in darkness, I think our skeptical 65 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: minds can easily think someone must be manipulating something in 66 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: the darkness to do whatever phenomena is happening. Since physical 67 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: mediumship was first discovered, it has been studied and analyzed, 68 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: and all kinds of scientific people had attended these seances 69 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: really trying to prove is it the medium doing this 70 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: phenomena or is it some thing from the unseen world? 71 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: And Tom and Lisa's experience, the group of seventeen people 72 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: gathered around in a horseshoe shape around this cabinet that 73 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: David sat in. Everyone who entered the room was asked 74 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: to search the room to make sure there is no 75 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: hidden objects or there's no trap door that someone could 76 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: tamper with the room. In fact, David Thompson gets tied 77 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: to a chair strapped down so he cannot get out, 78 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: and they had two independent people that were there who 79 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: would make sure that he is absolutely totally secured in 80 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: the chair, and anyone attending was welcome to check as well, 81 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: which Tom and Lisa did, and this ectoplasm, which exudes 82 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: from the medium's body when it is exposed to light 83 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: or it's interfered with by someone trying to reach out 84 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: and touch it. It is part of the medium's body, 85 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: they say, and rapidly retracts into the medium and can 86 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:09,799 Speaker 1: cause external and internal injuries. Hence the experience being held 87 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: in complete darkness. However, from time to time a red 88 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: light does go on. I decide to find David Thompson's website, 89 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: which no longer exists currently, but at the time I 90 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: looked around, he had a couple of videos of trance mediumship, 91 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: and at that time I didn't even know trance mediumship 92 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: was a thing. In fact, what trance mediumship is is 93 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: someone closing their eyes, hearing several pieces of music or not, 94 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: but just to blend their energies with the folks that 95 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: live in the unseen world, and allowing someone to use 96 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: his vocal cords and his mouth to speak. So, after 97 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: seeing this David Thompson speak quite a bit I see 98 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: him speak in trance, I had goose bumps fill my 99 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: body to think that this is definitely not the same person. Now, 100 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: while it's easy to think that someone could put on 101 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: a voice and make you think that it could be 102 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: someone from the afterlife. We really have to look at 103 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: intelligence here. The personality was different. The communicator never missed 104 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: a beat, filling his words with such wisdom and so 105 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: profound messages that you know when you just know something's 106 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: real and then you know something is bs well, I 107 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: just knew that in this it was real. If you've 108 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: listened to episode three, I begin the conversation with trance 109 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: mediumship and give actually a sample that you can listen 110 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: to of a friend of mine, Scott Milligan speaking in trance. 111 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: It's pretty wild, it's pretty wonderful. After I spent enough 112 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 1: time on David Thompson's website, I clicked on recommended links 113 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: Lo and behold he mentioned this Scott Milligan physical medium 114 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: and I thought, oh my gosh, there's one. Now there's two. 115 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: Not knowing who Scott Milligan was at the time five 116 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: years ago, being a Facebook user, I found this young 117 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: man on Facebook and sent a request to be a friend. 118 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: Now he didn't know me, but something must have told 119 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: him to say yes to my friendship requests. When he 120 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: did and I was able to see his Facebook page, 121 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: there was an upcoming retreat held at a place called 122 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: Banion Retreat in the UK. It was five days filled 123 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: with afterlife information with trance mediumship, evidential mediumship and physical mediumship. 124 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: In fact, both David Thompson and Scott Milligan were going 125 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: to be there. I called myself an afterlife explorer. I 126 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: said that I would scan the earth for the best 127 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 1: possible evidence of the afterlife, and everything in my being 128 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: said I had to attend that retreat now, knowing that 129 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: things were going to happen in the dark, that I'd 130 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: be holding hands with complete strangers, and that it is possible, 131 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: not probable. Did I think at the time that people 132 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: could become physical again and be able to talk. I 133 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: just knew that I had to attend, and the band 134 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: in retreat said it was centful, and in that one moment, 135 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: I decided to buy my ticket to attend Voices of 136 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: the Past at Bannion Retreat. Attending this retreat was something 137 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: I kept so secret from absolutely everybody. Now it's one 138 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: thing to be interested in investigating the afterlife, it's a 139 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: whole another story to tell people that you are flying 140 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: from the United States to Heathrow International Airport in London 141 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: and then taking a cab drive for another hour and 142 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: a half to go to some retreat where you're going 143 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: to sit in darkness and experience the seance. When you 144 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: think of seances, and pretty soon I'm going to say 145 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: the word ectoplasm. What do we think of we think 146 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: of the green, slimy stuff in Ghostbusters. I want to 147 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: tell you my story first, and then I want to 148 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: tell you a little bit about the truth about Ghostbusters 149 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: because you may not know this, but Dan Ackroyd, who 150 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: wrote Ghostbusters and starred in the movie, comes from a 151 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: long line of spiritualists. His family had these seances, His 152 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: family witnessed these people becoming alive again. Young Dan learned 153 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: of this from his father and from a trunk filled 154 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: with notebooks from the great grandfather about all the people 155 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: that re materialized. And young Dan planted with those words 156 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: like seances and ectoplasm and ghosts, and having the mind 157 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: that he did, he created Ghostbusters. So I actually have 158 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: an audio clip of Dan talking about Ghostbusters and Dan's father, 159 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: Peter Ackroyd, who wrote the book A History of Ghosts, 160 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: The True Story of Seances, Mediums, Ghosts and Ghostbusters coming up. 161 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: I'd like to share with you with my personal experiences 162 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: the first time I sat in one of these seances 163 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: and talk about some of the things that have happened 164 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: since and some of the wild experiences I've had. 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That's Coast to Coast am dot com. 184 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: You're listening to the new I Heart Radio and Coast 185 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. Now let's get back 186 00:13:49,760 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. Welcome back 187 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain, and we 188 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: are talking about something called physical mediumship, and I was 189 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: just about to tell you about my story going to 190 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: my very first seance. It's so hard to believe that 191 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: I actually use this word in conversation, and that not 192 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: only have I gone to one, but by now I 193 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: must have attended about two dozen of these seances. For 194 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: the old Sandra, I would have never bought into this, 195 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: never would have thought it's real. But on my journey, 196 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, have I witnessed miracles and seances. There 197 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: is something that you have to experience it to believe it. 198 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: There is no amount of convincing or words that I 199 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: have in my vocabulary that will let you know what 200 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: I experienced was absolutely real. In fact, people first started 201 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: attending seances back in the end of the late eighteen hundreds, 202 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: and there were so many physical mediums that were walking 203 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: on planet Earth. And here's the thing. Back in the 204 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: old days, we did not have all the computers and 205 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: all the social media and all these things to keep 206 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: us busy. What families would do is they would sit 207 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: around home and they would sing and they would be together. Now, 208 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: that energy is the perfect energy to build what's needed 209 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: for the seances to occur. So a physical medium is 210 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: a regular person built the same way we are, but 211 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: there's something inside apparently all of us called this ectoplasm. 212 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: That is a vapor that can exude from us, and 213 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: when it hits air, it can become solid. It does 214 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: sound far out, it sounds crazy, but again, I hope 215 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: you've listened to me thus far and you trust me 216 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: a little bit, and you trust me on the journey. 217 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: This was something I really needed to experience to be 218 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: real and honest to God. I didn't tell anybody in 219 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: my life what I was doing, because even now I 220 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: think you and I may not have met, but you 221 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: may think I'm crazy, and that worries me. I know 222 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: I'll get over it, but that's just my humanity. But 223 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: when families would get together, and they'd sing and provide 224 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: this space for the spirit world to occur. Many people 225 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: had heard about mediumship like this, so many families and 226 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: friends would get together on maybe a Saturday night, and 227 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: they would sing and they would laugh, and they'd build 228 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: that environment for the spirit to be with them, and 229 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: so different things could happen that they could find, things 230 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: started to levitate, they could hear voices from out of nowhere. 231 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: One of the members of their group could actually be 232 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: the medium, and the spirit world would work through them. 233 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: Really fascinating. There's some great names of great mediums that 234 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: I'll share before the end of the episode if you're 235 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: interested in researching this, because it is wild, but it 236 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: is wonderful. And let's think about it again. We're are 237 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: hurling through the universe on a planet which is one 238 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: of billions and billions of planets, and there are stars 239 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: so far that we would take, oh my gosh, thousands 240 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: of lifetimes even to get to them. So when we 241 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: think about the cosmos, and we think even about our 242 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: inner space, down to our tiniest molecular adam quark, you 243 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: know these things that are vibrating inside of atoms into 244 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: all of this, all we are is invisible, vibrating energy. 245 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: So I'm not making this up. You can check it 246 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: out for yourself to who we really are just energy. 247 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: So these things, while they seem outrageous, they are possible. 248 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: Not only possible, but oh my gosh, what I had 249 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: witnessed before attending a seance. We were told we should 250 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: be of good health, we should not bring in any 251 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: personal belongings, we should take our shoes off, our jewelry 252 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: off when you get to the seance room. Seances can 253 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: last two two and a half hours. You're not in 254 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: complete darkness the entire time. There is what's called a 255 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: circle leader. That is the person sitting on the right 256 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: or the left of this cabinet where the medium is sitting, 257 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: and they are kind of like the ring master of 258 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: a circus. Oh that's a bad comparison because it isn't 259 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: the circus. It's fun, yeah, us. There is much laughter, yes, 260 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: but there are also voices of deceased loved ones, and 261 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: there's a possibility of someone re materializing or materializing out 262 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: of this ectoplasm and being real again. Absolutely incredible, just 263 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: the thought of that. But the circle leader, from time 264 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: to time will turn on a red light and it's 265 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: just to make sure everybody is comfortable, everything is safe. 266 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: There are different experiences and things that happen within the sciance, 267 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: and you can hear things moving around, so by turning 268 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,719 Speaker 1: on a red light you can see what's happened and 269 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: what has changed in the room. And when I say 270 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: people being of good health, we want to make sure 271 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: that if we've had a lot to drink, we've cleared 272 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: our bladder, so we don't interrupt the seance if for 273 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: any reason the seance has to come to an end. 274 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: To say, somebody says that they're fine sitting in the dark, 275 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: but then in the first few minutes they get a 276 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: little freaked out. We let the people leave, no problem. 277 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: But if you get, say forty five minutes into it, 278 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: and something happens, the whole seance comes to an end. 279 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: So the circle leader will just make sure everybody's healthy 280 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: and well. Now there are these things called apports a 281 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: P P O r t s, and they can be 282 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: things that materialize from out of nowhere. I've become very 283 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: close to Medium Scott Milligan and his circle leader Darren Wynn, 284 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: and the stories they have are tremendous of things that 285 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: have materialized things like flowers, things like pieces of art, 286 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: things like jewelry. And why we need to take off 287 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: our jewelry ahead of time is because they have had 288 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: the experience that a beautiful gold cross materialized out of 289 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: nowhere and someone said, oh, I dropped that. Well, there's 290 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: no way of proving whether that person brought it into 291 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: the room or it actually did materialize. So just to 292 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: be on the safe side, we don't bring in any jewelry. 293 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: When we walk in, we see the cabinet, it's just 294 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: a box and the chair goes beneath it, and there's 295 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: some fabric, black fabric in front of it, so the 296 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: medium can get in. They strapped the medium down. Now 297 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: they say it's for two reasons. One is we want 298 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: to believe with all of our might that this guy 299 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: or girl doesn't get up from their chair and that 300 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: they are moving things around in front of your face 301 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: trying to scam and con you. In fact, there was 302 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: a medium who was caught not too long ago. Within 303 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. The mediumship community really felt 304 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: like this guy was a fraud. So they had a camera, 305 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: one of those cameras that can film in the dark, 306 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: and somehow this gentleman did indeed get out of the 307 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: chair and he was manipulating objects in front of people 308 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: and claiming that was the spirit world doing these things. Now, 309 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: it's unfortunate because at that time when he did that, 310 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: the few physical mediums that are out in the world 311 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: demonstrating really got afraid that people would assume that if 312 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: this guy is a scam, everybody's a scam. So they've 313 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: taken really strong precautions to make sure that the room 314 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: is checked, that people feel very strong that the medium 315 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: is tied down securely. They use those cable ties, you know, 316 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: those plastic cable ties to make sure this gentleman is 317 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: tied down securely to his chair and he cannot move, 318 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: very very important. So there's usually two people that are 319 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: independent checkers that are part of the group that will 320 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: really make sure this guy and I'm saying guy because 321 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: I've only witnessed male physical mediums is secured in his chair. 322 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: The rest of us can also look around and check 323 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: it out to make sure the room is secure. There's 324 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: no other way in, no other way out. So I 325 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: was scared to death at my first seance, and the 326 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: roommate I was paired with was so kind. She couldn't 327 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: believe my fear, and she said, of course, she had 328 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: to remember her first experience when she was afraid. She says, Sandra, 329 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: you will immediately feel so much love, and there's laughter 330 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: and it's fun, and they're singing. It's they're very special. 331 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: So okay, I was ready. When we were all seated 332 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: in our circle that was probably about twenty five of us, 333 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: the circle leader made sure we all felt comfortable and 334 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: explain that there's going to be times that we sing 335 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: to build the energy. There's times that the music plays 336 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: and we sing along. When phenomena starts to happen. We 337 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: are all instructed to hold hands. And part of the 338 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: reason for this is that if we are holding hands, 339 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: we know it's not somebody in our group that is 340 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: letting go and manipulating things. So very strict instructions that 341 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: if somebody lets go of hands were to notify the 342 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: circle leader right away. Oh and I forgot to tell 343 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: you the second reason that the physical medium is tied down. 344 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: Have you ever walked in your sleep? You may do 345 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: sleep walking, you may not. But they said it's possible 346 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: that the medium may wish to act out these things 347 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: that they're experiencing, so just to keep them safe while 348 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: they're out of it, they're tied down to their chairs, 349 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: so they just can't move. After we found out everyone 350 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: was comfortable, the light went out. What happened next is 351 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: three pieces of music were played. Now it was Scott Milligan, 352 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: who you may have heard on episode three, and the 353 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,239 Speaker 1: music was just music that he likes to listen to 354 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: so that he can let his mind fade away. Now, 355 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: it's not something where someone takes over the medium's body. 356 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: They don't do that. It's just energy. There's energy all 357 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: around us all the time, and if we can get 358 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: our consciousness out of the way, they are able to 359 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: blend with us. And I want to say use us. 360 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: So if you're a trance medium, they are able to 361 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: use your vocal cords and your mouth and speak. Now, 362 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: there's always part of the physical medium that is not 363 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: too far away. 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We were just listening 401 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: to three tracks of music in the science room and 402 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: after the music stopped, we were instructed to start singing. Now, 403 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: singing is not my strong suit, but that's actually what 404 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: makes it so much fun and builds a lot of energy. Laughter, 405 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, laughter is needed as well. So if 406 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: you can imagine at twenty five adults sitting in a 407 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: room trying to sing songs, trying to remember the words. 408 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: It's pretty funny. There is an iPod in the room, 409 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: and the circle leader is the person that plays the 410 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: first few pieces of music, but then the people that 411 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: are in the spirit world can actually change the music 412 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: on the iPod. The circle leader and the person sitting 413 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: on the other side of the cabinet have two hands 414 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: on the person sitting next to them, and also that 415 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: person has to make sure that those hands never leave them. Okay, 416 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: so there's integrity in the circle. I have witnessed the 417 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: iPod changing music, which seems like it's changing on their 418 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: own to find songs that people know and sing to. 419 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: So I am an eighties girl and them song by 420 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: Gloria Gainer I Will Survive is on the iPod, and 421 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: when I heard that song, I just belted out the 422 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: lyrics because I do know them. This was around Christmas time, 423 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: and what I had forgotten to tell you is that 424 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: in the center of the circle there was a little 425 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: artificial Christmas tree and everyone was invited to bring presents 426 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: for the spirit children, presence being things that aren't sharp, 427 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: things that don't have light to them, but that would 428 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: be joyful for a child. So I brought a couple 429 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: of small barbie dolls. Everything was wrapped. All these presents 430 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: were underneath the tree. So not only did we sing 431 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: I will survive, but we were singing jingle bells the 432 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: twelve days of Christmas. It was really joyful and I 433 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: didn't know what was going to happen. Also, on the 434 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: floor amidst all these toys, there was toy xylophone, a 435 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: toy piano. There was a bell, there was a squirt gun, 436 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: there was a glow in the dark plaque. And there's 437 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: something called a trumpet. Now, the trumpet is just like 438 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: a cone shaped object. It's not a trumpet like a 439 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: musical instrument. But in the days gone by, physical mediums 440 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: would all have this trumpet present because the spirit people, 441 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: once they were able to talk, and I'll talk a 442 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: little bit about the voice box that is made out 443 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: of ectoplasm, they could talk into this trumpet and it 444 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: would amplify their voice. Let's go back Sanders sitting in 445 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: her chair. We are singing our hearts out. Well. All 446 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the first voice that we hear is 447 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: the voice of Daniel. Daniel is a person who once 448 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: lived that works with Scott, but he comes through as 449 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: a young boy, playful, great sense of humor. He's there 450 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: to give some instructions about the seance and put everyone's 451 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: mind to rest. It's nice to know that when we 452 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: depart this earth, we continue to have our sense of humor. 453 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: At some point, Daniel says, the children have arrived. We 454 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: hear the sound of all those Christmas presents being unwrapped 455 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: at the very same time. If you could imagine twelve 456 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: to fifteen children all in a room ripping through presents 457 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: on Christmas morning, that's what it sounded like. And then 458 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: just after that, well, of course, what do we do 459 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: with presents after we unwrapped them? We play with them. 460 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: So the bell started ringing, the xylophone started making noise, 461 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: that toy piano, there was a drum there. I felt 462 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: stuffed animals being thrown at around my feet, and a 463 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: ball came by, and it was wonderful. There's some hula 464 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: hoops there that have glow in the dark tape on them, 465 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: so we are able to see the hula hoops. What 466 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: seemed like they were floating in air. It was as 467 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: if a little spirit person just walked to each one 468 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: of us and just presented this hula hoop. There's also 469 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: something that is a glow in the dark plaque. I 470 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: heard everyone doing, oh, you know, like what's happening, And 471 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: very slowly, this young spirit child came by and presented 472 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: me the plaque. And I saw these two hands holding 473 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: onto this glow in the dark plaque. Now they were 474 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,239 Speaker 1: child's hands, like a two or three year old, and 475 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: the hands were actually moving. It was amazing because there 476 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: was no children, live children there in the room, and 477 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: there's no way I could imagine that someone could have 478 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: done that, not having everything happening all at once, all 479 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: these things happening, the music being played, the drum being beaten, 480 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: the hula hoops going around the room, and a few 481 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: people even got a little shot of water from the 482 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: squirt gun. And during this time when the phenomena is happening, 483 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: we are all instructed to hold our hands and stay 484 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: perfectly still. Again, if there's any motion, it can disrupt 485 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: this ectoplasm that's in the room, and it can recoil 486 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: back into the medium's body. I heard a story not 487 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: too long ago from Scott who said he was in 488 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: a demonstration. The trumpet was high up in the air 489 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: being held onto by one of these ectoplasmic cords that 490 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: was running from his belly area to the other side 491 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: of the room holding onto the trumpet. When someone instead 492 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: of turning the music on, turned a light on. Every 493 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: person in that circle was able to see the ectoplasm 494 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 1: with their own eyes and they could see the trumpet 495 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: drop in this ectoplasm get sucked back and went into 496 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: the cabinet into the medium. Well, the seance had to 497 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: come to an end, and Scott had burn marks on 498 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: his belly and also black and blue marks under his eyes. 499 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: It is very traumatic for a physical medium to do 500 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: such a thing. There is always the danger of either 501 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: somebody doing something accidental like that was, or somebody doing 502 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: something on purpose. In fact, there's many physical mediums from 503 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: days gone by who people thought were frauds and would 504 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: break into a seance, and they tend to have shorter 505 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: lifespans because of all this risk and the things that 506 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: can happen. So unfortunately, it took a long time for 507 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: Scott to build up his strength again to continue doing 508 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: these seances. Physical medium sits in a home circle, so 509 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: every week he sits with a small group of people 510 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: that he knows and loves and trusts, and this particular 511 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: circle has sat together for many years and they sing 512 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: songs and they just feed the medium so to speak. 513 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: I mean, they just build the strength. There's no phenomena 514 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: that happens. There will be communication that one of the 515 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: workers that works through Scott will talk to them, but 516 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: the home circle really does provide energy for this to happen. 517 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: And my own experience in the seances, as great as 518 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: all that fun stuff was, what happened next was was 519 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: really special. Daniel said that they'd like to form the 520 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 1: ectoplasmic voice box. So basically, over Scott's shoulder or somewhere, 521 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: they form this voice box that's made out of this 522 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: ectoplasm and they allow the loved ones to speak again 523 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: to the people that they have in the room. After 524 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: the voice box is formed, there is usually someone who 525 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: is a singer in the unseen world that will stretch 526 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: out the vocal cords doing a lota la la la 527 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: la before it's stretched out enough, and then Daniel will 528 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: work as a regular medium and he'll say, I've got 529 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: a young man here who says his name is Tom, 530 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: and these are the things he did, and his parent 531 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: is here and give some bits of information, and he'll say, 532 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,760 Speaker 1: who can recognize this, and so he'll try to place 533 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: who this person is here to talk to, and then Daniel, 534 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: with a sense of humor, he'll say, okay, lad, push 535 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: your face into it. And then you hear something like, Hi, Mom, 536 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: it's me. It's so special because the communication is straight 537 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: from the person in the spirit world. It's not just 538 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: high mom, it's me, but it's very detailed information that 539 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: only the mother would know. I have personally witnessed many 540 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: reunions between loved ones in the afterlife and people here. 541 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: But one of my most favorite stories is I hosted 542 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: an event in Orlando and I had mediums and we 543 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: even had a seance with Scott Milligan. There was a 544 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: young girl who was in the spirit world and her 545 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,720 Speaker 1: parents were in the audience. During one of the evidential 546 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: mediumship readings, the daughter came through a medium with specifics 547 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,760 Speaker 1: and a message for the mother. Another occasion, the daughter 548 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: came through as spirit artist who drew a picture of 549 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: the daughter and also told the mother she had the 550 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: daughter's hair brush in her purse and absolutely she did. 551 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: During the seance, the daughter got to speak to the 552 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: mother and the father. In fact, she said something to 553 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: the father and referred to her by the nickname that 554 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: only the father called her. I saw a big, tough 555 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 1: strong man start to cry, realizing that this is real 556 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: and that his daughter is still alive. And the cherry 557 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: on top of the cake is we had Sonya Rinaldi there, 558 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: the researcher from Brazil who films static energy and many 559 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,720 Speaker 1: other things, only to have faces materialized pictures of people 560 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: in the afterlife. And this daughter, this parents little girl. 561 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: Her face showed up with a big smile and continues 562 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 1: to come through in different ways, saying she is helping 563 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: other children who have crossed into the afterlife. Many scientists 564 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 1: have explored physical mediumship throughout the years, and it still 565 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: seems like something so hard to believe. Experiencing this does 566 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: change your life. Even Sir Arthur Conan Doyle gave up 567 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: writing Sherlock Holmes for his passion for the afterlife. 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You're listening to the I Heart 590 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal podcast network 591 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: with the best shows that explore the Paranormal, Supernatural, and 592 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: the Unexplained. You can enjoy all shows on the I 593 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you find your 594 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 1: favorite podcasts. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 595 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 1: Sanders Champlain. I'd like to play for you a clip 596 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: of Dan Ackroyd and father Peter Ackroyd talking about ghosts, 597 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: ghostbusters and seances. Peter Ackroyd has passed into the spirit 598 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: world in but he wrote a book called a History 599 00:42:54,719 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 1: of Ghosts, The True Story of Seances, Medium's, Ghosts and Ghostbusters. 600 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: Peter's grandfather, Samuel, was a well respected member of the community, 601 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: a dentist and was interested in scientific things. Here they 602 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: are being interviewed by their hometown radio show back in 603 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: two thousand and ten. My grandfather was a foot soldier 604 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: and the spiritualist movement and spiritualism, by the ways of misnomer, 605 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: there's nothing spiritual about it. These people aren't religious who 606 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: are adherence to the spiritualism. It should be spiritism and 607 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: the maintenance of spiritual spiritism is that you can communicate 608 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,879 Speaker 1: with the dead. So it was communicating with spirits and 609 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: every week a bunch of shiny black cars would come 610 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: down the driveway to the farmhouse, and people would get 611 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: all dressed up and they be if they were going 612 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,400 Speaker 1: to some kind of a ceremony. I don't know what. 613 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: And I snuck into the cellar door and looked through 614 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: the crack in the door to see what happened. And 615 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: lo and behold, I was witnessing a seance with a 616 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: medium and for just a painted spirits were coming through 617 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: to talk to the participants. You wouldn't have known that 618 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 1: it was a seance at the time. Didn't know what 619 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: did you think they were doing? I didn't know what 620 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: the word meant. But it becomes second nature to me 621 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: because I saw it often enough that it was just 622 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,799 Speaker 1: part of my life and therefore there was nothing extraordity 623 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: about it. Something something experienced often enough becomes becomes a commonplace. Well, 624 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,439 Speaker 1: but you weren't frightened when you first saw this, You 625 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: you you were intrigued, and one there's nothing to be 626 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,360 Speaker 1: frightened about because very much like a performance, and I 627 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: make that point in the book and one of the 628 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: chapters that very very much like a performance of seundces 629 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: uh my store. The The impresario in this case was 630 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: grandfather Ackroyd, and he was the one that was putting 631 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 1: on the show, and the audience, of course, with the 632 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: people who they were called sitters seances. When you're in 633 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: a seance, you're sitting, so you're in a sitting. There 634 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:56,840 Speaker 1: were sitters, and the main performer was the medium, but 635 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: he wasn't the performer talk because through him spoke spirits 636 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: from the other side. And they were the ones, and 637 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,439 Speaker 1: they were handled like the technicians in the studio here 638 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,919 Speaker 1: by technicians who controlled who came on and who came off, 639 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 1: very very very much like a theatrical performance. And you 640 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: and you became before long became one of the regular participants. 641 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,240 Speaker 1: I didn't, that's right. And the rest of my life 642 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,880 Speaker 1: and off and on, as I was, as I was 643 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: in Toronto in other places when Walter Ashurst, the medium 644 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,400 Speaker 1: was still there, I was able to attend the seances. Now, danacquit. 645 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 1: When you were growing up, how much were you aware 646 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,399 Speaker 1: of this part of your family's history. Very much so. 647 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: My uh, my experience going up to the old farmhouse 648 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,319 Speaker 1: which was used partially as a cottage by various members 649 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: of the family through through my youth and college years 650 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: and second city years. Uh, just as you'd see life 651 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 1: magazines or National geographic lying around many cottages. We had 652 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: the American Society for Psychical Research journals lying right, and 653 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,319 Speaker 1: all kinds of books that were handed down from UH, 654 00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,439 Speaker 1: from my from Sam and Morris who was its father 655 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: Bell telephone engineer. So the whole family was sort of 656 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: steeped in this uh, this kind of just accepted fact 657 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: that uh, spirits do exist and can can you communicate 658 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,359 Speaker 1: if you find a talented medium him or her who 659 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: is willing to give themselves up to the controls and 660 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,759 Speaker 1: the controls are the entities from the other side that 661 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: come through. And so that combined with an article in 662 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 1: the a SPR Journal about quantum physics and parapsychology and 663 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: my love of old ghost movies from the thirties and forties, 664 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,919 Speaker 1: Bob Hope, Abbott and Costello, the Bowery Boys. Um, that's 665 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: sort of you know, married together to to produce the 666 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 1: first draft of Ghost Bust. And before you gave yourself 667 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: over to it, though, do you and given that this 668 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: isn't what all families do, did you well, do you 669 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: remember your initial reaction? Did you think it was odd? 670 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 1: Did you think it was cool? What? What did you 671 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,319 Speaker 1: how did you first react when Dad says, you know, 672 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 1: we do these things. We sit around and we do well. 673 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: We I never you know, of course we've never done 674 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,800 Speaker 1: it in this generation. But one of the first stories 675 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,360 Speaker 1: I I do remember about it. I remember hearing about 676 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: that there were seances and my grandmother and grandmother spoke 677 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: of it when they were alive, and uh, it was 678 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,720 Speaker 1: interesting when you're talking about, you know, communicating with spirits 679 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: of people that have gone before, or entities that are 680 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 1: out there and want to talk to us. Uh, it's 681 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty fascinating, not not not to mention entertaining. Uh. 682 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 1: And I um, I basically became really aware of it 683 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,040 Speaker 1: when I heard a story by my uncle Dad's brother, Morris, 684 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 1: And he was a kind of up He was a 685 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: classic cock of the walk Canadian alpha male man, you know, 686 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,360 Speaker 1: get out of the way, you know, bridge engineer, a 687 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: tough kind of guy really, you know, had a tough 688 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: exterior and he was he was definitely a man's man, 689 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 1: you know. And he was sitting there with a with 690 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: a rye and and I was, you know, coming coming 691 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 1: in from various activities in this in the summer, like 692 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: hanging hanging out at the farm, and I sat down 693 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,160 Speaker 1: and and uh, I asked him about the seances. I said, 694 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,719 Speaker 1: you know, what did you ever participate? And he said, well, 695 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 1: when I was four years old in Westmount, there was 696 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 1: a science going on and I walked into the room 697 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,320 Speaker 1: and I looked up and I saw a trumpet flying 698 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 1: around the room and speaking. And as soon as I 699 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 1: walked in, I was about four years old, he said, 700 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,720 Speaker 1: the trumpet fell to the ground and the seance stopped, 701 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 1: and everybody was mad at me because I broke up. 702 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 1: So coming from him, um, I you know, I could. 703 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,400 Speaker 1: I I started to believe that there really might be 704 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: something there. Let me interrupt to say that the trumpet 705 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 1: was not a valve trumpet. It was like a herald 706 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 1: trumpet with no valves long when ra ra trumpet at 707 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 1: a Yeah, it was made of copper and very light. 708 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,920 Speaker 1: And actually there is a type of medium and and 709 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: known as a direct voice medium, and that means as 710 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,959 Speaker 1: a spirit not speak through the medium, but they speak 711 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 1: through the trumpet, and the trumpet levitates and circles around 712 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: the room and then and it sounds like this the 713 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,400 Speaker 1: voices coming from the trumpet. That's that's to give some 714 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: precision to the trumpet business. Dan Peter talked about spirit 715 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,920 Speaker 1: is m you you self identify as this virtualist today? 716 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:06,320 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Well? To me, it means that 717 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,400 Speaker 1: you know you that we look beyond the corporeal for 718 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,480 Speaker 1: some kind of meaning and reason for living. And I 719 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,560 Speaker 1: like the analysis in the book that I don't know 720 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 1: who who says Frederick Myers, and he says that the 721 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:21,319 Speaker 1: soul is encompassed by the body, and the soul then 722 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 1: in turn encompasses the spirit. So it's not just body 723 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 1: and soul anymore. It's body, soul and spirit. And to me, 724 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,839 Speaker 1: spiritualism can have a religious connotation. Certainly I am. I'm 725 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 1: a Christian. I don't know if I he exactly to 726 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,319 Speaker 1: the teachings of the Catholic Church. But I consider that 727 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:43,800 Speaker 1: my spirit UH is linked to the universal UH everything. 728 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,000 Speaker 1: I feel that that it's linked to to everyone and 729 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,719 Speaker 1: everything out there. I feel that I'm a part of 730 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,799 Speaker 1: the human community in a spiritual way. I guess that's 731 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,160 Speaker 1: my own definition of my own personal spiritualism, that every 732 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,479 Speaker 1: spirit out there is linked and I'm I'm definitely happy 733 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 1: to be part of the chain this Peter, This book 734 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,320 Speaker 1: is as much about the history of spiritualism or spirit 735 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: is um your correction, uh, as it is about the 736 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,960 Speaker 1: Acquit family's interest in the paranormal. How did you come 737 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: to write it this way? Why did you want to 738 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:17,240 Speaker 1: set up the history for us? Because of Dr acquays journals? 739 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,800 Speaker 1: You see, Um, he kept the he kept a journal 740 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: office experiences with the mediums, and his reading and his 741 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,360 Speaker 1: meeting with other persons who are interested in the subject, 742 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,360 Speaker 1: starting in nineteen hundred and going to nineteen thirty thirty 743 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 1: years of his musings and writings. And my sister and 744 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,600 Speaker 1: I discovered these and the Trunk family relics at the 745 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: basement of the house in Moore Park here when we 746 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,719 Speaker 1: broke up, the broke up the household, and we were 747 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: all bound together in bind or twine eighty three of them. 748 00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: We took him apart in here in his handwriting, where 749 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,960 Speaker 1: all these musings with the dates on them and what 750 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,200 Speaker 1: they were. And it was clear to me that he 751 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: wanted them to be the world to hear what he 752 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,439 Speaker 1: had said. All these years you've been reading this and 753 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: and much of it has never really on it before, 754 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 1: So that form informed the spine of a book. And 755 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,239 Speaker 1: I said, this story has got to be told see 756 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,840 Speaker 1: he was. He was in the front line of researchers 757 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,120 Speaker 1: and interest, like Arthur Conan Doyle, like Charles Riche, physiologist 758 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,280 Speaker 1: who coined the word the word ectoplasm. Now here's an ectoplas. 759 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 1: This is worth the price of the book that. Now 760 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,439 Speaker 1: I look at that. Now there's a face in here, 761 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,439 Speaker 1: and there's a skull and another. I'm going to Dad, 762 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,719 Speaker 1: I'm going come on, now, this has to be superimposed. 763 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: How can this be real? And and and the thing 764 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 1: that makes it credible is the fact that this woman 765 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,279 Speaker 1: was a subject of the research which was being done 766 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,799 Speaker 1: by a gentleman named Dr Thomas Glenn Denning Hamilton's Glenn 767 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,800 Speaker 1: Hamilton's of Winnipeg. He was a surgeon at the Winnipeg 768 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,160 Speaker 1: General Hospital. He was also a medical UH lecturer in 769 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,400 Speaker 1: jurisprudence and clinical procedure at the University of Winnipeg. He 770 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: was a very serious inquiry into this and for him 771 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,480 Speaker 1: to have faked something uh such as this would have 772 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,960 Speaker 1: would have completely undermined as his whole raison dat or 773 00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 1: in away and UH my argument as well. Maybe at 774 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:01,640 Speaker 1: the end of his life he wanted to prove it 775 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,640 Speaker 1: so badly that he had to do this, but it 776 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,200 Speaker 1: just doesn't seem in keeping with Dr Hamilton's work that 777 00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,320 Speaker 1: he would fake something. But on that note, Den, throughout 778 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,840 Speaker 1: this book we see, as you say, distinguished scientists in 779 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: the early part of the twentieth century taking the paranormal 780 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:18,319 Speaker 1: very seriously, rigorously testing these mediums. Are you disappointed that 781 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,200 Speaker 1: scientists today don't seem to take these ideas as seriously? Well? 782 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,040 Speaker 1: Duke University had a paranormal uh UM division there for 783 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,440 Speaker 1: a while that they were teaching, and the my Moonites 784 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,360 Speaker 1: Dream Laboratory was doing great young Ian work in Brooklyn 785 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: for a while. Uh. The American Society for Psychical Research 786 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 1: is basically made up of a body of psychologists and 787 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 1: researchers that contribute articles on a monthly basis to uh 788 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,040 Speaker 1: TO to serve the science. What I'd like to see is, 789 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,800 Speaker 1: I'd like to see ectoplasm produced in this clinical environment 790 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,319 Speaker 1: and then have a DNA test taken of it, of 791 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 1: the mass of the ectoplasm from the from the body 792 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,879 Speaker 1: of the of the the operator and then within here 793 00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,759 Speaker 1: like for instance, these this head. I mean, I would 794 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,640 Speaker 1: take a piece of the mass if you could get 795 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,759 Speaker 1: it before it vaporizes, and a piece of one of 796 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 1: these heads here and if if the DNA is different 797 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,799 Speaker 1: within the ectoplasm, then we know we've got something here 798 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,840 Speaker 1: for sure. But you know, but but but my point 799 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,600 Speaker 1: being that you know that some sometimes some scientists aren't 800 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,680 Speaker 1: going to go there or or don't go there now, 801 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,399 Speaker 1: and and and and I wonder if you lament that well, 802 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,200 Speaker 1: A lot of scientists do though. There's a lot of 803 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,880 Speaker 1: psychologists and a lot of physiologists, a lot of doctors, 804 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people who are making these inquiries today, 805 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,520 Speaker 1: particularly in Brazil. Um. Brazil has UH. In fact, there's 806 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 1: a university you can go to and get a degree 807 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,880 Speaker 1: in paranormal studies. The University of Edinburgh now has a 808 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,720 Speaker 1: diploma program in paranormal studies. So there are in coorse 809 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,760 Speaker 1: out there, and there there are people doing it. Um. 810 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,680 Speaker 1: I'd like to speak directly if you're behind me interrupting it, 811 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,719 Speaker 1: that is, you know, I look, I'll talk a gramophone 812 00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,160 Speaker 1: to scrap iron as Johnny is like Peter, you know, 813 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,280 Speaker 1: your question is very perceptive, and I and I lament 814 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,600 Speaker 1: that there isn't more research going on today of the 815 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,080 Speaker 1: clinical kind that we have seen in the Fastness book. 816 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,480 Speaker 1: It's very serious and I'm hoping that book. This is 817 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: a serious book. It's not a frivolous books to work 818 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,799 Speaker 1: a scholarship that can be counted down. I say in 819 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,040 Speaker 1: here the references are good that can be checked up 820 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,560 Speaker 1: and validated. Unfortunately, I have to cut the acroids short 821 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,879 Speaker 1: on this one because we're just out of time. This 822 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:20,760 Speaker 1: deserves a second episode, but in the meanwhile, do some research. 823 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:27,759 Speaker 1: Check out Alec Harris, Leslie Flint Stewart, Alexander Gordon Higginson, 824 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 1: and my friend Scott Milligan. I'm Sandra Champlain. You've been 825 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart 826 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 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