1 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the 2 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Rough with myself Teddy Mellencamp. 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Erica Jane. 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: Hi, Erica Jane. What's new? 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: No, what's new with you? 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Oh? 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: No, tell it, tell it, say it again, say it again. 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: Gosh. Well I am cancer free. Fuck yeah, cancer free. 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to say that I'm in re messed 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: until after three years of no detectable cancer. Okay, I'm 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: cancer free. I'm still on immuno therapy, but I am 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: feeling so much relief. 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm sure. Yeah, I am sure. As your friend, by 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: the way, as the people around you like not to 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: make it about us, but like we're relieved. 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: To Yeah, I mean, no, it into of disease. 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: Cool. Well, that has to feel like a weight has 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: been lifted off your heart and just everything. 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I can say I was doing all the things. 20 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: I was praying, I was you know, on my hands 21 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: and knees, of course, hoping, I was crying, I was laughing, 22 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: I was doing all the things that I could possibly 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: think of to try to get through it. Yeah, and 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: being able to have this news is huge. 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: It's huge news. 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: It's huge. 27 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: It's huge. 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, when they said that one you're part 29 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: of the one percenter? 30 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: I did you burst into tears? 31 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: I was numb? 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: Okay, I get that. 33 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: I was numb. Like when the doctor said it to me. 34 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: I was in the in the room at the doctor's office, myself, 35 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: Edwin and my dad's assistant. Yeah, and like I didn't. 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: They both got a and I was. 37 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: Like, right, well, it's I mean through hell yeah, like real, 38 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: I I would be too. I'm sure that this is 39 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,839 Speaker 2: like it's it's all overwhelming. 40 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I was in complete shock, but I'm really 41 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: happy now. I'm still having those days of being emotional, 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: but they're getting lighter and lighter. 43 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: How is it. Have you felt the internet? Have you 44 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: felt excuse me, have you felt the medication starting to 45 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: kick in? 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: Yes? 47 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: Good? Thank god. Yeah. 48 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: So it's not necessarily that I'm not having anxiety anymore. 49 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: It said, I'm not having like crying breakdowns. 50 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: That's good. Yeah, you're more even. 51 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm more even. 52 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: That's perfect. So that's kind And I'm sure this good 53 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: news really helps out out. 54 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: The good news really does help. 55 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: So are you going to tell me about the guy? 56 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 1: Oh? My gosh, I forgot you met him before he 57 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: was lovely. I know he was a nice guy. 58 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: Remember, because I met him right when all the ship 59 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: hit the fan, right after you got home from the 60 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: hospital and started dating and and he was really kind 61 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: and then he went away for a while. But now 62 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: he's back. 63 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: He's back. We just started kind of talking again as friends, 64 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: and you know, we're just keeping it casual. I'm like, 65 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: the only way I can do this is if it's casual, right, 66 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: I can't give more than. 67 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: Well, and you shouldn't because you know, you're really you're 68 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 2: going i mean, your body, your whole life, like everything 69 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: is completely changed and you you can only give what 70 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: you got their limits, yeah, yeah, boundaries like and you 71 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: need them. 72 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: And I'm like, and do you understand that? And he's like, yeah, 73 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: I do. And you could have just said that before. 74 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: You didn't need to end things completely. 75 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: Is that what he said? How that make you feel? 76 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, because I was. I mean 77 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: I was brutal when I you know, I just ended 78 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: it one day like there was no discussion, and I was. 79 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: Just, well, that's understandable. I mean, you're going through like 80 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: the worst thing ever in your life. 81 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, But then you know, I was like Okay, so 82 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: this time around, you know, you can date other people. 83 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: I can date other people. Let's just have fun. Let's 84 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: see where it goes. It has to be casual. If 85 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: you're not game for the following then. 86 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: And he said okay, yeah, all right. 87 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: He said, okay. He's like, I'm just so happy that 88 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: you're feeling good. 89 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: See he's a This guy's a nice This guy's a 90 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 2: nice guy. 91 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: I know he's getting some hell for his mustache that 92 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: he had in the picture. 93 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: Oh, that's all the hell you're getting is for a mustache. 94 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: Right on. You're doing something right? 95 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: What about you? What about? What's the update on your life? 96 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: My life is really nice. I was. I was in 97 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 2: Panama last week and I received some stem cells at 98 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: this incredible clinic called Origins, and they're doing some incredible 99 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: work there. It was like probably one of the best 100 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: trips I've ever had. That's awesome my entire life. Yeah, 101 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: John and I went. He actually took me there, and 102 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: first off, Panama is amazing and Origins the stem cell 103 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: clinic is unreal. So it was like two for one 104 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: and he and I had like a really nice trip. 105 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: Like dates and like dates and. 106 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 2: Like dinners and like holding hands and like walking around 107 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: the old city of Panama and like it was so 108 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: lovely to be there was nobody that Yeah, I was 109 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: able to be and just sort of clear my mind 110 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 2: and I was really happy there, which makes me think. 111 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: Like, hmmmmm, hmm what does that say for sometimes. 112 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, like is this am I doing all I can 113 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: do around here? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know, 114 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 2: Like I think the next chapter of like my life, 115 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: certainly you're like, I mean it's up it's really up 116 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: for grabs. Yeah, it's really up for grabs. Like I 117 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 2: just don't know, well, none of us really know, but 118 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,799 Speaker 2: I just don't know what's coming. And sometimes that's okay. 119 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: And but there are a lot of options, I guess, 120 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: is what I'm really trying to say, a lot of options. 121 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: And when we're going through options, and I'm sure everyone listening, 122 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: when you're going through options, when you're going through changes, 123 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: when you're deciding, it's can be tricky because we all 124 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: want to be happy. Yes, that's yes, that's the end goal, 125 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,119 Speaker 1: and sometimes we get stuck or lost trying to find 126 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: that happiness. 127 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: And I was wondering if I one of the questions 128 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 2: I had and one of the things that he and 129 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: I were talking about. I was like, have I been 130 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 2: pushing something that's you know, pushing in my life, something 131 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: that's just not right, you know, just like and this 132 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: comes back to the age old, like what do I 133 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 2: want out of this life? 134 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? 135 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 2: And what do I want out of the next few 136 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: years of my life? What can I do what makes 137 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: me truly happy? And I want inner peace. I want 138 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: peace after these last five years, as I'm sure you 139 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: do too. And now it's like, you know, we both 140 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: want inner peace. We both want peace for different reasons. 141 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know, that's. 142 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: My And then did he come back here? You? 143 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's here, which is really nice. Yes, And then 144 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: when do I get to meet him? Probably next time 145 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: he's out because he leaves soon. Okay, yeah, but you 146 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: got you will like him. 147 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: He's very sweet. 148 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: He's very sweet, man. I know, it's cool. 149 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: That's good. I love doing that. One of the best 150 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,559 Speaker 1: trips of your life. 151 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: That's a big statement, very big, because I've had some 152 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: good ones. And I looked at him and I said, like, 153 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: I was there. I was like some of the best 154 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: trips in my entire life. He was like familiar. I said, yes, 155 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: this is amazing. 156 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: I love that. 157 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: Thank you. 158 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm so happy. 159 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: Thank you. Well, I can tell that you really loved 160 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: this episode. You know what can we say? Okay, So 161 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: it opens up with the teas of a camera, Katie, 162 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: sit down, tell me immediate thoughts, just your boom instinct, 163 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: go what do you think? 164 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: I was hoping Katie was going to bring more okay 165 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: to the conversation. 166 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: More meaning, like what is your definition of more? Just 167 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 2: so everybody couldna. 168 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: I just felt like she came in and she was 169 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: the same. I think she was emotional in general because 170 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: of what was going on in the show. Sure, and 171 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: so I think she came in not in a position 172 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: of strength, not being able to speak the truth. 173 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: What is the truth though, because I'm confused. 174 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm confused on the truth. But my guess is that yes, 175 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: Katie knew, and she knew from Gretchen and Slide right. 176 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: And I think whatever else happened after that, whether she 177 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: told Kiki, Monique, whether so and so told no matter. 178 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: What saw water under the bridge, the important part is 179 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: that she knew from Gretchen and Slade. 180 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: She knew from gretchenslide and so I think Tamar got 181 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: that out. But do you think the other women had 182 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: a right to be upset with Tama for meeting with her. 183 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody's entitled to their own feelings. But at the 184 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: end of the day, look, yeah, I mean, yes, yes, 185 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: they have a right to feel however they want to feel. 186 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: But it's also Tamor's right to do whatever they are 187 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: on the show, and sometimes your feelings get pushed to 188 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: the side, even if. 189 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: It's and correct me if I'm wrong. Did Tamar even 190 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: talk to her about anybody else? But what was going 191 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: on with her? 192 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: Not that I recall, but yeah somebody, No, not that 193 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: I recall. 194 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: So it's not like she was bringing the other women 195 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: into it. 196 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: No. I did find it interesting though, that Matt spoke 197 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: to Slade or that how all of the text messages, 198 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: Like I guess Slade was working Matt, Katie's husband, working 199 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: him and working him, And when I say working him, 200 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: I mean contacting him over and over and then all 201 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: of a sudden it was like radio silence. Yeah, you know, 202 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: it's not the best look for Slade and Gretchen here. 203 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: It's just not And I don't particularly like Katie because 204 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 2: I do think that she's not telling the truth here, 205 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: not telling. 206 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: The truth and you don't think that Gretchen and Slade 207 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: told her or not telling the truth about a billion 208 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: of the other things. 209 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: She has billion of the other things. I think that 210 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: there's a lot of things here. She problem is there's 211 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: a kernel of the truth in here, But which one 212 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: is it? 213 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? 214 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: You know, she's you know, not one hundred percent full 215 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 2: of shit, but there's there are holes in this story, 216 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, like it is what it is. Fucked. 217 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: Then Emily and Gretchen meet to look for cowboy hats 218 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: for Emily's Emily's Innocent Center fundraiser and the Exonerated Anthony. 219 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 2: Which was really touching. I really like Emily in this 220 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: role because she using her legal education for something that's 221 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: really good. I mean, there are people that are wrongfully 222 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: convicted and it can happen, and believe me, it's rough. 223 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that about my family, so don't 224 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 2: get it twisted. I'm talking about other people. I think 225 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: that it's wonderful that she does this. I was thinking 226 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: that we might have been at the bootleg Kimo Sabi. 227 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking, Right, are. 228 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: We at the bootleg Kimo Sabi? They had an OC location. 229 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 2: Found out it wasn't. But hey, Kimo Sabi, you've got 230 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: a competitor in Orange County and they have the same 231 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 2: stuff and I don't know what the price is. 232 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. 233 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: We got to get Kyle on it. Yeah, same by 234 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: the fucking peak. 235 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I thought they were going to do a 236 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: Chemo Sabby and Beverly Hills. 237 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: They were. 238 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: I think I heard that. 239 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: Oh my wait, is Kyle opening the store? Is she 240 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: like going to christen the store? Definitely? When I went 241 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: with her this summer when she and I went to 242 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: her house and she took me to Kimo Savii right 243 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: because you know, we had blowout years ago, and I 244 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: put this I don't know what's it called, the thing 245 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 2: on the hat and I was like, oh, I'll take 246 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: this one, and she goes, no, you won't. It's like 247 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: a five thousand dollars thing. She's like, no, you won't. 248 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 2: I was like, what's wrong? Did you look at that tag? 249 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: It was good? Look it out, but it was funny. 250 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: I mean some of them. 251 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 2: It was expensive, y'all. 252 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: Well. They also did a knockoff Chemo Sabby for at 253 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: Alexis Bollino. 254 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: And oh how'd that go? 255 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: Tamra said, the wedding was nice. Went, Yeah, Tamra went. 256 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 2: Was she the only one from the cast that went? 257 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: She was the only one from the cast. Joe from 258 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: season one was there? 259 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: Sure? Whatever? 260 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? 261 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: Had they got invited but didn't go? 262 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, she had something for her daughter. 263 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: That's okay. 264 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know it's what it is. But Emily 265 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: downloads Gretchen about Tamor's spring fling. She says Tamra left 266 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: the room at least five times. 267 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 2: First off, Emily is saying that Gretchen has on prairiewear 268 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: or Oregon trailwear. I mean I liken it too. That 269 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 2: what was that LDS that crazy guy with like the 270 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: the Mormon shit. Oh yeah, I liken it. That prairie 271 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: where Oregon trailwear. Perfect, Emily. I love that. 272 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: I know she made me laugh at that. 273 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great. 274 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: But I love the Tamra I will never film again. 275 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: And then the narrator she did and indeed film again. 276 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing, like we have this on 277 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: our show, see the quitting and the walking off, and 278 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: I've wanted to quit, you know inside, but it's it's 279 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: hard because then you're standing around waiting, and I don't know, 280 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: what do you think about Tama meeting with Katie. 281 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: I didn't. It didn't bother me, right that she met 282 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: with her. I mean Katie was a housewife. 283 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we've all had to do things like this. 284 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: It's kind of like it is what it is. 285 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: Katie was a housewife. So I didn't really have a 286 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: problem with it. I just thought we didn't get much 287 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: from it. No, So that's where. 288 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: I was like, what were you hoping for? 289 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: I was hoping for, like a real conversation from Katie, Like, Hey, Tamra, 290 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: I am sorry. I spread the rumor that Gretchen and 291 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: Slade told me I apologize to you for that, and 292 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: but it did happen, right, But there was none of that, No, No, 293 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: there was just the Gretchen side. But like, Katie still 294 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: has things to apologize for. Of course, do you think 295 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: she'll even know? Do you think she has the bandwidth 296 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: to know that she should be apologizing for that? 297 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: If she's smart and she looked back at what was 298 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: if she watched the show like maybe last season in 299 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: these episodes, yeah, she would see that she has some 300 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: stuff to apologize for. But everybody's different. You know how 301 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: these personalities are. Yeah, some people can say, hey, I 302 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: fucked up, and other people cannot see it, don't want 303 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: to see it, even when they're closest to say, hey, 304 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: you really should like take ownership of this and. 305 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: You know it. 306 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: It always fascinates me the people that you think would 307 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: know what to do in these situations, like when you 308 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: were one and one person would not admit that they 309 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: had done something. 310 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're just I can't believe it. 311 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: You can't believe it. It's like, come on, like you know. 312 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: I think Katie has some apologies she needs to make 313 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: to Emily. I think Katie needs to apologize to Tamra 314 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: for spreading that rumor, for spreading that rumor. 315 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: Emily about the whole dot the babysitting, babysitting. 316 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think she needs to necessarily 317 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: apologize to Jen because I think Jen is a part 318 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: of all of this. With Gretchen insight, she. 319 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: Does play a part. Yeah, here's the thing. I would 320 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: make a blanket apology if I were Katie to the 321 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: cast for dragging in bloggers and dragging in other things 322 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: outside of the show, because this is where it gets sticky. Yeah, 323 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: instead of keeping it in house and keeping it inside 324 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: the cast, when you start talking to outside you know, people, 325 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: as innocent as it may seem, this isn't a thing 326 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: about anybody. It's just that when you start going out 327 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: and saying things that we're not supposed to be saying 328 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: and dragging other people in, now you've fucked up. Yeah, 329 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: you know, that's just the way I see it. You've 330 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: muddied the waters. These people are not part of the show. 331 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: They have their own things to do, they have their 332 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: own accounts, they're running their own stuff. But when you're 333 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: talking to cast members and you're trying to put stories 334 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: out there and you're trying to do things like that, 335 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 2: it puts it in. It all ends up splashing back 336 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: on you. Yeah, meaning Katie at this point. 337 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: But then when Emily tells Gretchen she's pissed at Tamara 338 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: that she's meeting with Katie, Gretchen tells Emily she's a shitster, 339 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: and Emily says Gretchen is the one who brought it 340 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: up something to Famatory about Tamra. This is true, this 341 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: is true, And then Gretchen pulls up an article from 342 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven to seem. 343 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: Really where I At this point, I checked out. I 344 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 2: was like, gonna want to hear about twenty seventeen. No, 345 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: I don't care about twenty seventeen. I don't want the article. 346 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: I don't care that it was Vicky. I don't give 347 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: a shit. Let's stay in the present moment, Like I 348 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: just I'm tired of that. Yeah, I'm even tired that 349 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 2: we're discussing that Tamara may or may not have made 350 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: out with some dude. What is it twenty years ago? 351 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's beyond me. But the fact that 352 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: Gretchen can't even take can't even admit that she was 353 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: shit stirring? Why can't Why can't she admit that? 354 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: Just say yeah I did it. 355 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: And yeah I did it. I brought up the guy, 356 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: and then I brought up you know, the alleged that 357 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: didn't happen affair. I also brought up the singing. I 358 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: also brought up this, and then I tried to clean 359 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: it up the next day when I wasn't tipsy, like 360 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: why not just say well? 361 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: Then she tried to throw it off on slave. 362 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, then she tried to blame slave. 363 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 2: Then she tried to blame Slade and I wonder how 364 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: that works out at home. 365 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: I wonder how I wonder if the guys are going 366 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: to be one do you think the husband's are going 367 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: to be at the read? 368 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 2: Andy Cohen, he'd love to have them over there. That's 369 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: no shade to the boss, but he does love it 370 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 2: when the husband's slash boyfriends get involved. 371 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: But something else, I know, not you, but them. 372 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 2: M h. 373 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: But here's the thing, Emily. You can't comment on tamor 374 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: running out of a scene and then run out of 375 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: a scene. 376 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 2: Well that's the thing, ladies. We need to stick it 377 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 2: out as much as possible. Stop running for the hills, 378 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: just break down in front of us. 379 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. 380 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 2: Just you know what I'm saying, Just right there. I've 381 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: done it many a time, embarrassed myself, you know, for years. 382 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: But meanwhile, Tama meets with Gina before Heather joins. 383 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 2: I actually thought, if I'm right, I thought Gina was 384 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 2: pretty good in here. 385 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 1: I did too. 386 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: I thought she was good in here. Yeah. I thought 387 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: she was good at explaining it and keeping it all together. 388 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: I liked Gina in here. 389 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. She says she understands that Tamar is struggling, and 390 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: then Heather joins them, and re explains to Tamar that 391 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: she loves her and is sorry that Tamor's hurt, But 392 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: she also calls Gretchen out, how hurt would you be 393 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: if I said that I trusted you the least? 394 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: I would be hurt. Yeah, I would be hurt. But 395 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 2: also I'd have to look at my behavior and say, 396 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: what have I done to make these women feel this way? 397 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: And you know, Tamra's not without some questionable. 398 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: Right, But the one thing that we can say about 399 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: Tamor she mainly she's not making up shit. 400 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: She's not making up shit. She's just gonna fucking nail 401 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: you with it. She may nail you with it, right, So, 402 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: but I don't know, but I have to. But this 403 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: is why you don't. It is hard to trust in 404 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: these things. Yeah, it's hard to trust because it's not 405 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 2: in anybody's best interest to keep a secret. 406 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: But I can only kind of parallel it to let's say, 407 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: you and Renna. Yeah, and all of a sudden, we're 408 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: playing that game and everybody at the table sitting around 409 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: talking about who do you trust the least? 410 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: And you said, Renna, oh, she would be ready to 411 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 2: kill me. She would be ready to kill me and 412 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: rightfull Lisa, like, I don't know how close. Well here's 413 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 2: the other thing too, I don't know how close Heather 414 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 2: and Tamra are. And I know they spent a lot 415 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 2: of years to get But that doesn't necessarily mean that 416 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: you're super tight on a show, you know, I don't know. 417 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: I guess that's really a thing for them, and I 418 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: don't know that we'll get that. I'm sure we'll get 419 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: that at the at the reunion. I'm sure that's going 420 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: to come up. 421 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure that's going to come up. 422 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 423 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean Emily's saying it wasn't a shock to me. 424 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: No, and that's okay. It's the Heather piece. Yeah, that's 425 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: the Heather that's more powerful than Emily. Yeah. Remember when 426 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: Heathery called Tamera a historical friend at the last reunion 427 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 2: and then we didn't even know what that meant. We 428 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: had to look it up. Yeah, which means we have history, 429 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 2: not necessarily deep trust. Right. 430 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: But then it's like, as you continue on, out of 431 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: all of these other women, that's who you trust the least, 432 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: the one that you have them you. 433 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 2: Know the most. Yeah, the one that you spent the 434 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: most time with. Well, there's two ways to take that. 435 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: There's two ways to take that. You know. You can 436 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 2: look at it as like you know, no I don't, 437 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: or maybe you know. That's why something like this is 438 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: really hard to get a You can get a reactionary judgment, 439 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: which you can't get a full picture because we don't 440 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: have it. 441 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have a full picture. And we also 442 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: don't have a like a real conversation between Heather and 443 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: Tarma discussing their friendship. 444 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: No, well we know that. Well, we do know that. 445 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: Tamra said, oh I heard you were afraid of me 446 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: and shit like that, and so that's not the way 447 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 2: to anybody's heart. No, that's not the way to get 448 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: Heather to open up to you and say, hey, look 449 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 2: when you do these things. This is why I say 450 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 2: I don't trust you. Yeah, because Tamra. Because Heather's not 451 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 2: going to engage Tamra like that. 452 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: No, whenever tamar gets upset, whenever she gets to that 453 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: that heightened state, Heather retreats. 454 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not going to get she's not going to 455 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: get messy like that. 456 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: But I feel like this is the first time we 457 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: see anybody like Gina. She's stepping in and I liked 458 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: her here, Yeah, I liked her. She's having her back. 459 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: She's saying, like, listen, I know you're going through a 460 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: rough time. And regardless of what the rough time is about, 461 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: which I think you know, that's what's coming out a lot. 462 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: If somebody is struggling, if they're struggling with anxiety or 463 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: depression or whatever it may be, regardless of the reason why, 464 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: you have to have some empathy for that person. You do. 465 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 2: You have to give them a little bit of space, 466 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 2: and you don't. It's not really up to us to 467 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: point out who knows why people are struggling? Yeah, nine 468 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: times out of ten, we don't know why we're struggling. Well, 469 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: I mean, at least my therapist tries to tell me why. 470 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: I I'm like, what is wrong with me? Well? Yeah, 471 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: I mean, look, when people are struggling, they're struggling. Bottom line, 472 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 2: whether they say it's family or friends, whatever, it doesn't 473 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: fucking matter. Give a moment of grace. I think that's 474 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,239 Speaker 2: important for all of us, and I do mean all 475 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: of us. Yeah. So, one thing that I noticed, and 476 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: it did stick out to me, was when Tamora said, 477 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: my my dear friend, meaning you was fighting for her 478 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 2: life and she's saying this while she's explaining why she's 479 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: you know, distraught. How'd you feel about that? 480 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: I think that people handle potential I mean, in a 481 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: lack of better way to say that potential death. Yeah, 482 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: different than others. 483 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 2: Okay. 484 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: And I think that you know, Tarma felt Tamara came 485 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: and saw me a bunch of times in the hospital. 486 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: She was there, and I mean, I I was. I 487 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: can't even remember those days, like not that, not not 488 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: that I can't remember Tamar like, I mean, I can't 489 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: remember anything about that time prime in my life. Probably 490 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: good and I'm probably good, but like, also, I think 491 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: it was probably really scary to see. 492 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 2: I that Lisa Rinna told me and Kyle told me 493 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: that it was like the hardest thing they've ever been, 494 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: one of the hardest things they've ever seen. Yeah. So 495 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 2: I think I had two women that I'm close to 496 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 2: tell me, like Erica, it's fucking terrible. Yeah. 497 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: And so I think nobody understands unless you were there, 498 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: how terrible it actually was, and the concern that she 499 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: probably has. And I think that people assume that, you know, yeah, 500 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: me and Tarma, we do a podcast together. Blah blah, blah. 501 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: But before I got sick, we talked every single day. 502 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 2: Well, you guys were definitely on the road together, building 503 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: two teas in a pod. 504 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: And and then it all stopped. And then it was 505 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: like she you couldn't get answers, like you couldn't hear, 506 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: you couldn't hear from me. 507 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: Well, so she had to pick up a slack, yeah, 508 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 2: you know, because her partner you was in the hospital. Yeah, 509 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: And she picked up the slack and kept going. 510 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: And she did it well, and she did it for 511 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, and not one time did she 512 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: ever make me feel like hurry back, Oh god, No, 513 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: like she was a really true good friend. Yeah. So yeah, 514 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: there are moments where I'm like, fuck shit, you know, 515 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: like this isn't going to look good for her. But 516 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: I also know that I have other friends that saw 517 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: me in the hospital and said it was the hardest 518 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: thing they've ever seen. Yeah, so I give her grace 519 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: on that. 520 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I think that's important that you were the 521 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 2: only person that matters in this conversation has spoken out 522 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 2: and given your opinion, you do have a very close 523 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: relationship with Tamra. Despite what we may say here on 524 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: this recap and despite what people may see or say, 525 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: I do know she was there for you, and it's 526 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 2: important that people hear from you. Yeah, because they can 527 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: attack her online all they want, but they weren't there. 528 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: So just you're cool with it, which is the only 529 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: person that matters. 530 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, and then Jen and Shannon meet with an 531 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: animal psychic. 532 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 2: I thought this was kind of fun. 533 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: Really, Oh come on, I mean I love the dog Archie. 534 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: But if I really wanted to see Caesar Milan's sister 535 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: speak to him. 536 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: Is that who that was? No thought it was her. Well, 537 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 2: I mean, look, the thing is like, we have a dog, 538 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 2: breaking news, you have a dog kind of Yeah, John 539 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 2: got a dog, and then the dog is with us. 540 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 2: All John's with me, So yeah, we have this gorgeous 541 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: Belgian mel from you know, he's a trained boy. So 542 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: he's currently at my house. 543 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: Ah, what's his name? 544 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: Rick? 545 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: Rick? 546 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 2: Rick a dog named Rick Listen. He's from Holland They 547 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: you know, name them crazy names. 548 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's exciting. 549 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 2: John came home with this dog and I was like, okay, great, No, 550 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 2: I mean it was exciting, Like I was super excited 551 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: for the dog. So we've been out buying shit for 552 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 2: the dog. Look at my life, cooking and dog things 553 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: and vacation vacations. Who am I? 554 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: What do you living the life around here? 555 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: I'm living a normal life. Yeah, yeah, because I'm gonna 556 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 2: have to be co parenting this dog. 557 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah I heard the wei there. 558 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I said that would help. 559 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: You said we got the dog. 560 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: Well we did, because it's at my fucking house, and 561 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: it's in my backyard, swimming in my pool, and we 562 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 2: are walking it around my fucking neighborhood. Okay, so we 563 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 2: you're fucking right, I heard. Okay, picking up shit? All right? 564 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: So we we are picking up shit? 565 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: Right, we are doing this? Oh, I agreed to co 566 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: parent this dog, which I'm I'm great. I'm happy about 567 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: I love it. I just wish I had more energy. 568 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: I'm fucking tired. Dog's amazing and I yeah, the dog 569 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: is awesome. 570 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: How holds the dog? 571 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: Three? Yeah? So he's he's an intact male. He's gorgeous, 572 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: little boy, so cute, little feisty little thing. Smart though. 573 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy because even wanting a dog for a while. 574 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been you know what's interesting. Rick came to 575 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: my house exactly almost two years after my dog Tiago died. 576 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Kind of interesting, I know, and fisty little personality. 577 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: Feisty, feisty. Then we get I know, we already talked 578 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: about it, but in the actual show. Then we get 579 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: to where Tamar meets Katie. Katie tellers that tells her 580 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: that Gretchen said tam Or drugged her, and Slade said, 581 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: tell Katie to stick to the story, tell her not 582 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: to waiver. That's the nail in the coffin because it'll 583 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: cause a legal issue. 584 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: Really bad guys, like this is bad shit. I mean, 585 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 2: somebody lost their job in Atlanta over this, just like 586 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: you know, she was drugged. 587 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: And then Katie texts Gretchen, I will, I will swear 588 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: on my life not to bring that up. 589 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 2: Then Katie was trying to cover for Gretchen. 590 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, I mean in this moment, I like 591 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: that Tamra took it upon herself to meet with Katie 592 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: despite the cast not wanting her to. 593 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 2: Well, she has reason. I mean, Gretchen's over here fucking 594 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: her shit out. 595 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, ruttuns over here making all kinds of allegations and 596 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: bringing up shit from years and years ago. 597 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen to be exact. 598 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: Twenty seventeen. 599 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: I didn't even know what happened in twenty twenty seventeen twenty. 600 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: I don't even know what year it is right now. 601 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 2: It's twenty twenty five, almost twenty twenty six. And since 602 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: I'll say this, you know what, since January of twenty twenty, 603 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 2: you and I've had the fucking worst five years our lives. Slave, 604 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: you got her, Well, it started when the guy got 605 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: murdered in your house, the Airbnb house. Uh, slave's finger 606 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: got chopped off, Dove was born, she had with the helmet. Then, 607 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 2: I mean, she's the no surgery that, I mean, the 608 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: whole and then my life blew the fuck up. Then 609 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: we all had COVID, I got a divorce, got broke. 610 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: You know all these lawsuits. 611 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: You yeah, I mean keeps going on. And I could 612 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: you imagine we could do a show just on our 613 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: last five years and it'd be more interesting. 614 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 2: Than all of this. I'll be honest with you. Our 615 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: you and I is combined last five years like this shit, 616 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 2: it's just like standing still. But anyway, back back to 617 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: this riveting story. Uh yeah, I swear on my life. Okay. 618 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 2: A fun raiser for a fundraiser event for the Trevor 619 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: Project with junior cookies. Here's the thing. Shout out to 620 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: the Trevor Project. Long time supporter of the Trevor Project 621 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: even before I was on the show. They do awesome work. 622 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 2: Yay Heather for being over there. 623 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: And Heather and Terry donated fifty thousand dollars. 624 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 2: As they should. Yeah, because when you make it like that, 625 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 2: that's what you're supposed to do with it. 626 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it shows how important their kids are to them. Yes, Yeah, 627 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: and knowing supported. 628 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 2: And I think that that look as much as we 629 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 2: criticize this show, and as much as we you know, 630 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: criticize the show, there are parents like Terry and Heather 631 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 2: that have children that they have really you know, showed 632 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: up for and that's inspirational and for others, I believe, 633 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 2: and just like Emily and Jake and just you know, 634 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 2: being there for your kids is important no matter what 635 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 2: what's happening in the family. 636 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Meets with the Exoneries through the Innocent Center to 637 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: hear their stories, and she asked what they may need 638 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: after they get out insane. 639 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty years for murder. You didn't commit. 640 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: Twenty years for murder, you didn't commit. And then somebody 641 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: said something like I didn't go through and get any 642 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: sort of nothing. 643 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 2: They just turn you loose. 644 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's like, I didn't think there was a 645 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: need for me to get an education. An education is 646 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: because the guy that was. 647 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: In for fifteen years, the one that she worked with, 648 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 2: Oh I mean no, he was fifteen when he went 649 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 2: in or something like that. 650 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he didn't get an education because he 651 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: didn't think he was. 652 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: Ever going to get out. 653 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: And it made me so sad when they said, like, 654 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: oh you know, I thought just my mom was going 655 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 1: to handle it. 656 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 2: That was the one I was speaking of. Yeah, yeah, 657 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 2: how or how could I be in two places at 658 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 2: one time? 659 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,719 Speaker 1: Yeah? 660 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 2: But what really is like who prosecuted that case? These cases? 661 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: I know? Well, and then when Emily gave it statististics, 662 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: the statistics because there's one hundred thousand people, one hundred 663 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: thousand people, Yeah. 664 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 2: That's it. I mean, look, I know that, like our 665 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: justice system is, whether you believe it or not, the 666 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 2: best in the world. But ship like that is just 667 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 2: its fucked up. 668 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: Well then that then they shout out to. 669 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 2: These people that are and Emily and you know, the 670 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 2: exoneries for pulling it back together, because that is not 671 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 2: easy to have your life taken away from you like that, 672 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 2: and then. 673 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: For that many years, Oh my god, and then showing up, yeah, 674 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: and trying to change your life. 675 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 2: That's right. 676 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's hard. 677 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 2: It's really hard. 678 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: Then at Emily's Innocent Center fundraiser, Tamera avoid scratching and slide. 679 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: I would, Yeah, I would too. Then and Emily tells 680 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: the woman she's pissed the tamera. I'm met with Katie. 681 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 2: Okay, everybody's in. You're entitled to your opinion, Okay. 682 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: But I'm I'm a little I still am a little 683 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: bit confused. Why is she pissed? 684 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 2: I don't know, you know her? What do you think? 685 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why Emily's so pissed. Maybe she's pissed 686 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: because she wanted her to never be on the show again. 687 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 2: That's out of her control. You see what I'm saying. Yeah, Now, 688 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 2: now you're wanting things you can't have, which is I'd 689 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 2: like to never see some of these hoes again. But 690 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 2: guess what. They popped back up. 691 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: And guess what You'll keep saying them. 692 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 2: But and there ain't shit I can do about it. 693 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: So they have this event. The event's going well ish, 694 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: and then as Tamor's leaving, Gretchen says she and Slade 695 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: are going to find out exactly what Katie had to 696 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: say from Tamara, and Shannon says that Slade should not 697 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: be involved. 698 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 2: I agree. 699 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: I agree with Shannon here. 700 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 2: I agree with Shannon. Shannon one hundred percent agree with you. Yeah, 701 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 2: this should be Tamra and Gretchen, not Gretchen Slade and Tamra. See, 702 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 2: Eddie wasn't there. 703 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: I know, but then Eddie was having to walk out 704 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: with them because like it should have just been Gretchen 705 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: walking over and having come. 706 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is a show about women. This is not 707 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 2: a show about your boyfriend and you. I'm sorry, I 708 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 2: keep saying this over and over, Like I agree, Shannon 709 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 2: was one hundred percent correcter. 710 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: And then as they storm over to Tamar, Tamer says no, 711 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm not doing this and walks away, and Gretchen screams, run, bitch, run, 712 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 1: Run for your life, bitch. 713 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't like that, But I also didn't like 714 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 2: Tama calling them trash, which you've said you don't like 715 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 2: it when people call people trash. Yeah, I don't like it. 716 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 2: I don't like this. Run bitch, run, Run for your life, 717 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 2: Run for your. 718 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: Life, And like, what is she running from this information 719 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: from fifteen twenty years ago? Yeah, I don't think so. 720 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: I think she just wants to be away from you. 721 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that. I feel it feels like 722 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 2: Tamor's really overwhelmed this season, you know, starting way back 723 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 2: in New Orleans, right, yeah, so whatever's going on with 724 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 2: Tamera because she usually sticksh it out right? 725 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 726 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: Right about that? For whatever whatever? I mean, well she said, 727 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 2: whatever reasons are happening, but you know, run bitch, run, 728 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 2: Run for your life, bitch. It's like, oh, come on, Gretchen, 729 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 2: You're better than that. 730 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: Then Emily even steps in and tells gretch And she 731 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: was too aggressive. They start screaming at each other, and 732 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: the event I. 733 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: Like it when Emily gets seated, I'm not gonna lie. 734 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Emily gets seated, she tells her she's being too aggressive. 735 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: I mean, other than it drives me nuts. How now 736 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: more than one person calls her Gretchers. 737 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you don't like Gretcher's. 738 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: I don't like Gretchers. 739 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 2: Yeah that you would probably get aggressive if some if 740 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 2: somebody said Gretcher's in front of me. I don't like 741 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 2: the word gretcher. 742 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't like the word gretchers. But I mean, overall 743 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 1: this episode, I think it's it's leading us into the 744 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: cast trip. 745 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 2: Right, which is in Amsterdam? 746 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: Right? 747 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 2: So what is the big blow up on that thing? Wait? 748 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 2: So Katie's not going. 749 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: Katie's not going? 750 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 2: Okay, So does Gretchen go on this trip? 751 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: She must? Yeah, she must go on the trip. 752 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 2: M Does Tamra go? 753 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Tamra goes on the trip. Jeez, Tamra goes, and 754 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: to my knowledge, stays. 755 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. That's good. She didn't leave. 756 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So I don't know. I mean, we may 757 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 1: be dealing with Tamar and Gretcher's the rest of the season, 758 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: or it could rotate to somebody else pissing somebody else off. 759 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: Who knows it always switches on a cast trip. 760 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 2: No, wait till you see ours. 761 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: I can't wait. Thank you guys for tuning in to 762 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: another episode of Diamonds in the Rough. We'll be back 763 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: next week to recap the next episode. 764 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 2: That's right. Thank you for listening, everybody, And I'm really 765 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 2: happy for you, Ted. 766 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm happy for you, guys. 767 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 2: Shut up, shut up, we got this doll. God, I'm dead. 768 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 1: Oh God, she's actually blushing out shout. 769 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 2: Maybe once in my life. I am Yeah, what can 770 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 2: I say?