1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Danny and Samantha. I don't have the 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: stuff I've never told your production of I Heart Radio, 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: so I have. I have two questions Slash one update 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: that I wanted to go into in this one. Okay, 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: So one is I have started playing the Inheritance game. Uh, 6 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: Lily's Garden not a sponsor as of this moment um 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: that you discussed recently in the Monday Minnie Samantha, and 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: I was like, the hill's happening here. I haven't gotten 9 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: very far, but I'm curious because you've given me some 10 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: you know, tips as to what's gonna happen. And it 11 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: involves like a seance apparently. Is there any like hint 12 00:00:54,880 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: of you know, murder perhaps, yes, yes, yes there's murder. 13 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: There's mafia involved, there are c i A undercover stuff 14 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: happening now, tax evasion, yes, so that is all coming 15 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: to play. My partner asked me how far along I was, 16 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I'm so so, and then 17 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: I realized, oh, I'm much much further along than I 18 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: So all of my other games have kind of gone 19 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: to the wayside because I am playing typically just this game. 20 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: But again, they do a really good setup where they 21 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: give you like free plays and like long plays, like 22 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: to give you daily gifts and such that it keeps 23 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: you going. But I will say also to that there's 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: going to be a scary Halloween storyline coming. And it 25 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: says in nine days it has a countdown on my 26 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: little game, and I was like, WHOA, So I don't 27 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: know why. I guess they must have put something new 28 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: in for the Halloween season, so they want you to 29 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: know it's coming. Be excited. So I'm excited. So there's 30 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: a Halloween addition to this. Okay, cool? Well, I wanted 31 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: to ask today. I'm still in the early stages where 32 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: there's like a bunch of pictures being found in some 33 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: weird stuff's happening, and since we know we're bringing back 34 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: this classic on Black Widow Baby, I was just curious 35 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: if that's something like that might be involved. I will 36 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: tell you even the horse death is a part of 37 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: this that you don't know what is happening. I've not 38 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: seen where the women are the murderers necessarily, but there's 39 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: an implication that one was a bad spy. No, okay, cool, 40 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: I mean speaking of we do need to come back 41 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: and do an update on the whole thing that happened 42 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: with Black Widow, but also like our review on it, 43 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: Black Widow the Marvel character movie trope we're talking about, 44 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: but yes, yes, and then I also just wanted to 45 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: briefly discuss Samantha and I both have kind of spiders 46 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: that we let live in our homes. Oh yeah, as 47 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: long as they stay in their area, in their appropriate areas, 48 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: because I have a lot of flying bugs about and 49 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 1: I'm like, if you can catch these bugs, we will 50 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: be at peace. Also, don't come near me where you 51 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: can drop into my face. Yes, but you you have 52 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: some interesting names for your spiders. I do. Unfortunately, r 53 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: I p to Henderson. He got found out by the 54 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: partner and he's like, that's huge. Are you sure you 55 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: want to keep it over here? And I was like, well, 56 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean, oh no. So I had Henderson as Morelda, 57 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: which I named See who died I think, and has 58 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: now been replaced by Todd. God's getting a little brave, brave. 59 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: I was like, look, you need you need to stay 60 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: back to your corner. Go back to your corner. I 61 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: just love that we both do this, and we kind 62 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: of both found out recently that we both do this. Yeah, 63 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: but I really enjoy getting updates about your spiders and 64 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: their names. So I just want to chicken, Just want 65 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: to chicken. Yeah, have you seen the new spiders that 66 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: are in Georgia right now. They're gold and they're terrifying 67 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: looking at Apparently they spend gold webs. Oh interesting, and 68 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: they're large. Yeah. Well, happy Halloween, everybody. This is making 69 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: my skin crawled just a little bit, just a little bit. Well, 70 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: speaking of, we did want to bring back this classic 71 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: on the black Widow. What would that be called? What 72 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: we call women who are murderers? I guess they seem 73 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: to murder their husbands to be for their money. Yes, yes, 74 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: so we wanted to bring back a classic. Digging into 75 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: all of that, please enjoy. Hey, this is Annie Fan Samantha, 76 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: and welcome to stuff. I never told you a prediction 77 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio's house at first. For today's episode, 78 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: we're sort of continuing our conversation we had around female 79 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: serial killers and a specific type of female serial killer 80 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: that kept coming up. It's the black widow, right, um, 81 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: And we said in those episodes we were going to 82 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: come back and do an episode on this. So we 83 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: are women of our words. Yeah, we are it just 84 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: sounded like we are a new group or a squad 85 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: or something. Women of our words. We could be woo, 86 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: women of our words. It's wow w o o W. 87 00:05:55,160 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: It's a yeah, wow, they're a we've got a whole group. 88 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: And before we get into this trigger warning for violence, 89 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: sexual assault, death, and general gruesomeness. Although not as bad 90 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,239 Speaker 1: as our female serial killer episodes, they were a rough 91 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: um yeah. So we wanted to focus specifically on this 92 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: black widow type of killings, type of killer. And of 93 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: course we're not talking about the Avenger today sorry Annie 94 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: one day, and we're not talking about the Spider, although 95 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: the spider probably inspired the name um the So the 96 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 1: black widow as a killer, not either of those things, 97 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: refers to a female serial killer who kills three or 98 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: more people, typically husbands or significant others, or both, for 99 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: financial gain. Their method of choice is usually poison, and 100 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: they are usually across between a serial killer and a 101 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: con artist. Several of our examples of female elseheral killers 102 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: in those episodes were black widows, and the FBI uses 103 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: the term black widow as an official label for this 104 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: type of killer, which is interesting and from the report 105 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: on serial killers Financial gain is a motivation in which 106 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: the finder benefits monetarily from killing. Examples of these types 107 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: of crimes are black widow killings, robbery homicides, or multiple 108 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: killings involving instruments or welfare fraud. Yeah, so that's an 109 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: official FBI report. Now, Black Widow the Avenger, I will say, 110 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: did make researching this topic very difficult. You had to 111 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: be very specific with a lot of quotes around the yes. Yes, 112 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: because most of the search results came up to be her, 113 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: and because she is technically a murderer and a killers, 114 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: so that was another layer of difficulty. She's a trained assassin, right. 115 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: And then also because I kept getting distracted reading the comics. 116 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I found out a very big spoiler 117 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: for the most recent issue and I'm excited to have 118 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: read it. Um do you never know where the research 119 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: will lead you, although I guess it should have been obvious. 120 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: There is a meme of Black Widow marrying Spider Man 121 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: and then killing him, and that that made me laugh 122 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: pretty good. Does he have money? I don't know, Peter 123 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: and Parker, No, he has no money. I think it's 124 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: just a joke because he's a spider Spider Man. You see. 125 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: And yes, we do call black widow killers black widows 126 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: because female black widow spiders eat their mate after conception. 127 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: And also black widow's been a web of lies. That's 128 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: just some extra that I added in there. Um, a 129 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: black widow usually the killer, not the spider, are the avengers, 130 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: So now I'm going to say the killer. Yes, we're 131 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: not talking about those other things from here on out. 132 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: They usually search for somebody who is lonely, sad, maybe grieving, 133 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: um in some way vulnerable. The black widow praise on 134 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: that vulnerability, becoming what the target needs, perhaps sharing them 135 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: with gifts, affection, those kinds of things. She is also 136 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 1: likely to target friends and family. Basically, anyone in her 137 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: orbit that can make her rich are just richer is 138 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: a threat. So on average, the black widow starts on 139 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: her path around twenty five and then murders for a 140 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: decade before she gets caught. Decade a decade. Yeah, black 141 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: widows frequently employ things like newspaper ads or these days 142 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: online dating or some other type of wanted ads or 143 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: dating tools to find their victim. Now, there are some 144 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: variations of black widow that I wanted to touch on, 145 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: one of them being the Cartwright curse. So this is basically, 146 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: anyone who dates the protagonist dies and they usually die quickly. 147 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: And it's named for the Cartwright family in Banan's which 148 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: is a reference that I I am not familiar with, yes, 149 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: but that's where it comes from. Um. Some examples are 150 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: the Owens family from Practical Magic. There's a curse on 151 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: the family that means that the women's husbands will tragically 152 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: meet their ends. UM. Xander Harris from Buffy, Buffy from Buffy, 153 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: Sam from Supernatural and one episode Dean even asked him, 154 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,599 Speaker 1: have you forgotten the average lifespan of your hookups? Um? 155 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: Soshiko Sato in Torchwood, Jack from Sydney, Bristow from Alias, 156 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: and depending on your choices, Shepherd from Mass Effect. So 157 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: this is basically your main character. James Bond is another 158 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: great one. Whoever they date dies usually putty immediately exactly exactly, 159 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: So that's one variation. Um. Then there's the blue Beard 160 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: from Stephen King's The Shining From there upon the floor 161 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: was blood and on the walls were wives. For blue 162 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: Beard first had married them, then cut their throats with knives. 163 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: So this is essentially the male version of the Black widow. 164 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: A dude who appears charming easily finds a mate to 165 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: marry and then kills her. There is a major difference 166 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: in motivation. Blue beards are not usually motivated by greed. 167 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: The name comes from the Seven fairy Tale, in which 168 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: the character blue Beard murders wives who opened a forbidden 169 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: door disobeying his direct orders. The earliest versions were meant 170 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: to be interpreted as a warning to women who disobeyed 171 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: their husbands. Typically, the woman who opened the forbidden door 172 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: would discover the bodies of blue beards past wives, and 173 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: she decided to die. Obviously, Yeah, that's the only way. 174 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: So sleeping your way to the top trope the self 175 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: explanatory and often weaponized against women, whether it's true or not. 176 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: Ye as we see often. Then there's a gold digger, 177 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: which is similar but typically involves one partner who has 178 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: riches and status clarice from it takes two both versions 179 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: of the trap. And have you seen the latest withinnis 180 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: Quaid's new fiance, of course, I have a fantastic And 181 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: then Ron's first wife, Kamey, who tries to get back 182 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: with Rod after learning he has gold buried in several 183 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: places around his property a literal gold diggirl. Yeah, I 184 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: love it. I love it. So we do have a 185 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: lot of real life examples, but also a lot of 186 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: me examples. But first we're gonna pause for a quick 187 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: break for word from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank 188 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: you sponsored, and we're back with one of yours. So 189 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: for many of the media examples, one of my favorites, 190 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: of course is Snapped. I think I've referred to them 191 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: now like four or five. Look, it's fantastic. Um, it's 192 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: one of my favorite and does involve many different female 193 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: incidents of murder or a tempted murder, including those who 194 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: would be could could be qualified as black widows. But 195 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: just a reminder, they have twenty four seasons. Yeah, they seasons, yes, 196 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: so that it's a big show and has even expanded 197 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: with killer couples. Yeah, you know, partner killers. All of 198 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: these different. When I say partner killings like spouses or 199 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: significant others, there's also killings where it may involved domestic violence. 200 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of several whereas women being 201 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: jealous of women. So yeah, so it's a whole thing, 202 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's lasted twenty four seasons. Long twenty 203 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: four seasons. For some ass I thought it was relatively no. No, no, no, 204 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: And if you start like watching from the beginning, Um, 205 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: the narration is Sharon Martin. She won an Emmy. I'm 206 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: not sure for which I think she because she's narrated 207 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: on several different things. But yeah, yeah, it's legit. It's 208 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: been around for man for at least I think two 209 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: thousand four. Wow, so fifteen years. Well that's a reality check. 210 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: There you go, we'll deal with that later. You're gonna 211 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: process that. Um. We also mentioned in one of our 212 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: female serial killer episodes, the nineteen forty four Carrie Grant 213 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: film Arsenic and Old Lace, which we have seen Samantha 214 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: um featured two black widow type murderers, and, as you 215 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: might guess from the title, these elderly women poisoned victims 216 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: with arsenic lace pie and a smile and a smile 217 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: that sounds like the perfect slogan the seven movie Black Widow, 218 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: where the female serial killer continues to kill even after 219 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: she is wealthy. Then there's Debbie Jelinski from Adam's Family Values, 220 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: and another one that I've already mentioned previously, which parodies 221 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: this is so I'm married an X murderer, went through 222 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: several husbands, but of course that's always a ending twist. 223 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: This one. Have you said you've seen this. I haven't 224 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: seen it, but I read about it for this episode, 225 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: so I know what the spoilers. I'm not gonna do 226 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: it even though its years old, because it's just fantastic. 227 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: And then Mrs White from Clue, which again another one 228 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: of my favorite favorite movies, five of her husbands had died. 229 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: One was an illusionist who disappeared and never reappeared, and 230 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: of course Mrs White said of this he wasn't a 231 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: very good illusionist. And one had his head chopped off 232 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: by someone and something else. And then she points downwards 233 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: as she yeah, it's so fantastic. She's like, head chopped 234 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: off and it's fantastic. I think I watched it recently. 235 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: It is one of those Halloween movies to me, because 236 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: it's so fun and you want to kind of just reminisce. 237 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: Of course, not the guests aged very well, but it's 238 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: still great. I'm trying to get a party together. You 239 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: might have been there when I was planning it. I'm 240 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: always planning a party or two, but I'm trying to 241 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: get a Tim Curry party together. Yes, everybody comes as 242 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: a different Tim Curry. I think that would be spectacular. 243 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember the character and Mrs White Madeline Cohan, 244 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: which is a great comedian from the eighties, eighties and nineties. 245 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: He's a fantastic actress. She was the one that betrayed 246 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: Mrs White. Another example from the media we have is 247 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: Queen Ravenna from Snow White and the Huntsman, who killed 248 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: snow White's father after marriage so that she can rule 249 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: solo um. Similarly, the stepmother from Phoenix and Ashes Mercedes 250 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: like he's take on the Cinderella Tail. There's a Get 251 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: Smart where Maxwell had to marry an agent named widow 252 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: often Annie Yep, who used these methods in her work. 253 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: And then Samantha Carter from star Gate st on one 254 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: of my favorite shows, although actually more accurately an example 255 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: of the Cartwright curse because all of her boyfriends don't 256 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: last long before dying. The writers joking they called her 257 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: Black Widow Carter and almost gave an episode that title. Yeah. Well, 258 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: there's also Rebecca Carlson from the Body of Evidence, who 259 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: went to trial on accusations that she went out and 260 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: found wealthy men with health problems to have sex with 261 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: until their hearts gaped out. Um. And then there's Catherine 262 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: from Basic Instinct and oh my goodness, that movie itself 263 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: was just as a young mind, you're like, I do 264 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: leave it at that. Yeah, that's another one I've missed, 265 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: and it's I've seen, you know, the clip that everyone shows, 266 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: and for me as a young child, I thought, maybe 267 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to see that, Maybe I don't Blaze 268 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: the Beanie's mother is implied to be a black widow 269 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: in the Harry Potter series. Uh seven marriages of hers 270 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: and with husband's dead under mysterious circumstances and their money 271 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: transferred to her. Blaze a Beanie. Oh, which, by the way, 272 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: I did my crosswords not crossing war starts last night, 273 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: date up a little too long doing them. Place and 274 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: Bed is kind of a side character from Southern and 275 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: I believe it's in the sixth one Half Blood Prints 276 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 1: where he's invited to the Slug Club and he's the 277 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: son of this model, famous model in the Wizarding World 278 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: and it kind of comes up about his mother. It's 279 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: very passing thing that is very specific. It is thank 280 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: you I'm going to take it as a compliment. Uh. 281 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: Then there's of course the Black Widow song by Asalea 282 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: the read Or. I totally forgot about that until it 283 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: was all of a sudden stuck in my head. I 284 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: don't know that song. Well, I'm not saying I'm not 285 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: saying it. Uh. And then your favorite ride, The Bride 286 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: from the Disney ride the Haunted Mansion who murdered five 287 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: husbands with an ax. Yeah, you know, it wasn't bad 288 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 1: when I was seeing it from afar, and then they 289 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: came close. I was like, nope, I got stuck on 290 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: that ride once, right at the part where something just 291 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: pop up at you over and over. And he told 292 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: me about that. I think that actually kind of had 293 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: me going, oh, don't let that happen. It was quite 294 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: It was quite funny for a while, but yeah, eventually 295 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: a little tiresome. So those are some media examples, but 296 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: of course there are plenty of real life examples. One 297 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: is Britain's Mary Anne Cotton, frequently misattributed as their first 298 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: female known serial killer. She was born on Halloween in 299 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: two killed twenty one people via poisoning before she was caught, 300 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: and that included three spouses and up to eleven of 301 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: her own children. Her first murder took place sometime in 302 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty five. She probably had killed before then. As 303 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: we said in that Female serial Killer episodes, a lot 304 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: of information around female serial killers is hard to get 305 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: to the truth of what really happened and what was legend, 306 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: and then what didn't go documented and what did um 307 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: So this is sort of what a lot of people 308 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: seemed to land on around her. She was caught in 309 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy three and quickly found guilty and hanged. And 310 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: there's even a poem or perhaps song about her, Marianne Cotton. 311 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: She's dead and she's rotten. She lies in her bed 312 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: with her eyes wide open, sing sing, oh what can 313 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: I sing? Marianne Cotton is tied up with string? Where 314 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: where up in the air, selling black Puddin's a penny 315 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: a pair. There's also Daisy Luisa de Melcher, who went 316 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: on to become the first woman to ever be hanged 317 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 1: in South Africa. She married her first husband in nineteen 318 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: o nine. Three of their five children died as babies, 319 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: and her husband died in ninety three. He left in 320 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: his wake a really big inheritance de Melca was married 321 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: again within three years, and within three more years he 322 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: was dead, picked into an illness very similar to the 323 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: one that took the life of her first husband. Four 324 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: years later, and she had herself another husband. Within a 325 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: year that marriage, her son died after drinking coffee his 326 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: mother made dot dot dot dot. The brother of Demlicra's 327 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: second husband pushed for an investigation, and the authorities discovered 328 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: arsenic and demlicras Son's system. Bodies of our first as 329 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: second husbands were found to have poison in their systems 330 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: as well. Wow. Then there's France's queen of poisoners, Marie Bisnard. 331 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: She killed her first husband in the very next year. 332 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: She had a second husband. They moved into his parents 333 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: house and both parents were dead months later. Their daughter, 334 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: who shared their inheritance, died soon after. Bausnard's father died. 335 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: Within this period too, a couple of boarders died as well, 336 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: and then they bequeathed their state to the Besnard's. Besnard's 337 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: mother and a handful of other relatives also died, leaving 338 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: everything they owned to the Besnards. By this point they 339 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: were rich, but Bisnard's husband did have his doubts about 340 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: his wife. He told a lover he was a aide 341 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: Marie might be trying to kill him. After his nine 342 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: death and Marie subsequently coming into his inheritance, people began 343 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: to suspect foul play. Arsenic was deemed to be the 344 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: cause of death, and several other bodies were exhumed and 345 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: showed the same thing. Marie was charged with thirteen murders. 346 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: Three trials later, she was acquitted. She died in nineteen 347 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: sixty one. Wow, how did you even get away with that? 348 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: You can't help but just be sad and upset and 349 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: somewhat impressed. I suppose we did talk about that a 350 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: little bit, and we did an episode while back about like, 351 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: why are we so interested in scam queens? Is a 352 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: part of us sort of rooting. I'm not rooting for that, 353 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: Please understand, I'm not, but you're just kind of like Wow. 354 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: In nineteen eleven, chicagoan and self proclaimed psychic Tilly Clement 355 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 1: began accurately predicting the death of dogs in her neighborhood Rude. 356 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: A couple of years later, she upped the anti and 357 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: predicting the death of her longtime husband, and in less 358 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: than a month, sure enough, he was dead when she 359 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: had cashed in on his life insurance policy, she marched 360 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: right over to the matchmaker. Not three months later, she 361 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: had remarried and then predicted her second husband's death and 362 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: he died. Her third husband mad a similar fate, and 363 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: when a woman in the neighborhood voiced her concerns about 364 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: her presto, another prediction, and she was dead. Husband number 365 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: four made it four years before a prediction and death. 366 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: She also had predicted about three of her more troublesome 367 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: children's death, all of whom ended up dying um. When 368 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: husband number five fell ill, his family took him to 369 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: the hospital, where it was discovered he had arsenic in 370 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: his system. She received a life sentence for attempted murder 371 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: and was forbidered from cooking food for the other prisoners. Smart, yeah, smart, 372 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: I would agree with that. We do have some more 373 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: examples for you, but first we have one more break 374 00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: for word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsored, 375 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: and we're back with Texas black widow of Henderson County's title. Yeah, yeah, 376 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: you know. And Betty Lou Beats was arrested for the 377 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: murder of her fifth husband and bearing him in her backyard. 378 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: Police found his body, along with the bodies of all 379 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: of her other victims. You know. Then there's Milli Weeks, 380 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: who used online dating to find her targets after serving 381 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: six years in prison for manslaughter. She had drugged her 382 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: husband and then ran him over with her car. She 383 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: met a second husband at a Florida Christian retreat a 384 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: couple of weeks after her release, who died mysteriously a 385 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: year after their marriage. Weeks was arrested after a strange 386 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: drug was found in the system of her third husband, 387 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: whose health had inexplicably rapidly deteriorated. She was sentenced to 388 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: five years for stealing his funds, and he survived her 389 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: third husband. So there's also Josuck Okay Kahy, the black 390 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: widow of Kyoto from She killed at least seven men 391 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: she was dating or married to for their life insurance 392 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: equally about seven million dollars. She says she's innocent, doomed 393 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: by faith, doomed by fate. In two thousand five, Stacy 394 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: Castor's second husband died in what was believed to be 395 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: a suicide. Upon further investigation, authorities found he had ingested 396 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: anti freeze. Now suspicious. The body of her first husband 397 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: was exhumed and his system also contained anti freeze. Castor 398 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: panicked inviting her daughter Ashley over for a drink. She 399 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: laced her daughter's cocktails with drugs, and after she passed out, 400 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: Castor wrote a fake suicide note as Ashley, claiming that 401 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: Ashley had killed her father and stepfather and herself. However, 402 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: Ashley's sister found her struggling to breathe in the morning, 403 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: and she was taken to the hospital, where she was 404 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: quoted to have been only fifth team minutes from death. 405 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: When she awoke, she was shocked to hear that she 406 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: had allegedly written a suicide note confessing the murders of 407 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: her father figures. Castors story quickly unraveled, and she's serving 408 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: twenty five years. Yeah. Then there is the Black Widow case. 409 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, at the ages of seventy 410 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: seven and seventy five, respectively, Helen Golay and Olga rudder 411 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: Schmidt were convicted of murder and sentenced to two consecutive 412 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: life sentences. They had taken in to homeless men, clothed 413 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: and fed them for two years before killing them with 414 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: their cars, but not before taking out millions in life 415 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: insurance policies, dozens of life insurance policies. According to the 416 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: detective that caught them, Helen was the brains and was 417 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: worth millions. The two actually didn't seem to really get along. 418 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: I was one of the number one questions from interviews 419 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: I read were like, were they friends? The answer seems 420 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: to be no. Um. When it interviewed by Vice, this 421 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: detective said, I think Helen is a completely psychotic person. 422 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: She's probably one of the evils's minds I have ever 423 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: come across. In thirty one years of doing this, I've 424 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: never seen anyone who was that calculating and evil. I 425 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: want to say this is a snapped episode. Yeah, yeah, 426 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Well, it certainly was interesting because a 427 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: lot of the detectives, so the way they were caught 428 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: is because people were kind of in awe that so 429 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: many insurance policies have been taken out, and the insurance 430 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: person showed up kind of like, what's this is weird? 431 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: And one of the detectives mentioned in passing I remember 432 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: a similar case a couple of years earlier, and it 433 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: was them as well. And um. One of the things 434 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: that detectives were sort of um scratching their head about 435 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: is they're pretty old, and so the millions of dollars 436 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, there was no one in the 437 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: family they would want to pass that too, So I 438 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: guess that's one of the reasons why they didn't really 439 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: consider them at first. You know, you don't think about 440 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: old women killing people too off fen and then yeah, yeah, anyway, Um, 441 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: there's also the nonfiction book Homicide, A Year on the 442 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: Killing Streets, and in that one of the FBI profilers 443 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: mentioned that, unlike the Hollywood black widow trope that's very fimbatal, 444 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: most real life like widows are older and more plain. 445 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: So yeah, big on that. Um, Okay, that's just a 446 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: whole different conversation. Well again, it goes back to what 447 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: we said in that that episode around females zero killers, 448 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: is that we always have to judge them based on 449 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: their looks somehow. Ah. Anyway, that about brings us to 450 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: the end of this black Widow episode. If we miss 451 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: anybody or you have any additional information, you can always 452 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: write to us. But first we do have a shout out, 453 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: um to a friend of ours. So yeah, we wanted 454 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: to shout out a friend of ours, Jenny. 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Each episode we dig deep into a specific 472 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: reprotective health rights and justice issue, talking about what it is, 473 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: what's happening around it right now, and what you can 474 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: do to fight back against this unprecedented assault on our rights. 475 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: So it sounds like a lot of our listeners would 476 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: be interest did in it. You can go find them 477 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: on their website which is Reprose fight Back like reproductive 478 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: so lower case R E capital p r oh. You 479 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: can find them at Twitter at reprose fight Back and 480 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: on Facebook at reprose fight Back and on Instagram at 481 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: repros f B. Yeah. And then also want to shout 482 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: out to Mental Health and Color, which is a podcast 483 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: that focuses on having an open platform where people of 484 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: color are sharing their stories concerning mental health and helping 485 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: to break down the barriers and stigma. Also just a 486 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: quick shout out to our friend Charlene. Congrats on your 487 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: new job as a flight attendant. Yeah, she just flew 488 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: into Atlanta recently. I don't know when it's gonna air. Um, 489 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: and we didn't get to hang out with her, but 490 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: just congratulations. Yeah. Yes, I mean, any listeners who want 491 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: to send in their new jobs get a shout out. 492 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: You want to come hang with us. She wanted to 493 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: come hang with us, so we just couldn't work out 494 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: the schedule. But yeah, I just want to say congrats, Yes, congrats, 495 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: and uh, we would love to hear what stuff all 496 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: all the cool stuff you listeners are doing. If you 497 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: want to send that to us, please do you. You 498 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: can email us at Stuff Media, mom Stuff at i 499 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: heeart media dot com. 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