WEBVTT - Cassadee Pope 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.880 I am so excited I have Cassidy Pope joining me 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.880 on this podcast. She won The Voice. You probably recognize 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:11.800 her from the Voice. She's partnered up with Pitfull. She 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.280 had a number one hit with Chris Young, Thank of You. 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.079 She went on tour Chris Young. She recently went back 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.160 on the Voice and was a mentor. Cassidy Pope is amazing. 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:22.800 She has been through so much. Her story is incredible. 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.599 She's beautiful inside and out, and she is about to 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:27.560 blow it up with all of her new music. So 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:41.920 get excited. Here. She is Carol Love. She's a queen 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:56.120 of talking. Got the Carol Love. Hey y'all, it's Caroline 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:58.600 Hobby and welcome to my show, Get Real from the 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.480 Music city capital of the World. In each episode, I 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.080 get the real story from the most inspiring interesting people 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.680 in Nashville, Tennessee. I have done everything in the music 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.640 entertainment industry. I was in the trio Stealing Angels with 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:15.240 two top fifty country charting songs, a finalist and runner 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:17.640 up on season twenty two and season twenty four of 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.240 The Amazing Race. You can currently catch me on cmt 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.200 S hit show I Love Kelly Pickler. I am an entertainment, 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.480 news correspondent and host for the TV show Nashville Insider 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.600 and my podcast Get Real with Caroline Hobby was featured 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.520 on iTunes New and Noteworthy and charted on iTunes Top 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.880 two Podcast. I'm also married to the smoking hot front 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.640 man Michael Hobby of the number one chart topping band 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.560 A Thousand Horses. So buckle up and get ready to 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.880 get real with me, Caroline Hobby. Welcome to my show. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:59.800 He see you. Thanks for coming. Top party. Yeah, there's 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:05.000 some Oh my gosh, excited gys. Oh are you guys 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.480 gonna chat today? They're probably going to join us. They 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.639 will most likely be sitting with us. Oh, they take 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:16.839 themselves all right, all right? Okay's Cuffy and River you've met. 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.160 You've got that dock part hanging out. Oh my god, 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:24.079 just flew a boy's right? Boys cut? Both of them 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.680 are boys. I'm surrounded by man. Don't do that. I 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.200 feel like you can hang with don't jump. I feel 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.040 like you can put all the bit in their place. Yeah, 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.639 you know, years of traveling with boys. It's I can 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:41.520 handle it. Okay. Coffee, Okay, thank you. I've been here 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:45.160 for almost a year. Are you say it's crazy. I'm 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.760 feeling very at home now, like nesting. Yeah, this is 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.640 my first house. I've always lived in apartments or condo 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.440 and this feels like mine. It's so good. Oh my, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.000 you're like a grown up all the way, like an adult. 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:02.919 You're totally adult. Take community and it's so great. Thank you. Actually, 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.000 I had a really cool thing with Wayfair. They helped 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.600 me out a little bit the ball. They're great. Yeah. 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.679 And then I mean just all from Wayfare, not everything, 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.639 not everything, but it's like little bits and pieces and 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.040 that that mantle is just like an electric thing. Just 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:22.040 flip on your pie, flip it on. I don't need 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.480 it right now because it's hot, but yeah, everything, I 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.679 just kind of threw it all together. It's like I 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.560 don't really think about it too much. Just casual picture President. 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.720 I mean that's normally. That was all the president. That 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:40.160 was for. That was for a charity event with It 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:44.280 was like the Bushes charity event for One America Appeal 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.160 and it's it was for like the hurricane relief in 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.240 Texas and I got to perform in front of them 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.080 and meet them and it was crazy. What was that like? 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:57.240 I mean, I have never met a president and I 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.160 just I got it as soon as I met them. 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.640 I was like, there's a reason that these people win 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.160 these elections because they have this aura about them, this 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:09.040 like kind of magnetic energy. It is so bizarre. Obama 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.320 was like the coolest. I was gonna say, what was 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.800 was it all that? I'm sure all the energy was different, 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.040 that it was different. Yeah. Bill Clinton was definitely kind 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:22.680 of like flirty charming. What can I char Harry Charming? 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:27.120 And and George W. Bush was kind of goofy um. 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.719 Jimmy Carter was like he's a he was as snapper snapper, 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.000 whipper snapper, really like nice. What was he like? Oh? 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.240 Jr Jr. Was like the goofy one? And then h 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.400 w was he You know, he's kind of struggling, so 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.640 he's he didn't talk that much because he's sweetheart. And 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.039 Obama was just a slick, cool, cool guy. Of course, 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.760 it's just like, oh my god, this is so cool. Dang. 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.720 And then here you are a straight blonde hair. Oh yeah, 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.880 I mean what that's me on the other that's not you. 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.760 That's my sister. Are you all twits? No? And she 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.640 tattoos too, Yeah she does? Is that a family thing? No? 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.239 That's just us Yannes love. So when did all these starts? 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.719 They're amazing. This one started when I was eighteen, like 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:11.800 the day after I turned eighteen, and then the other 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.680 ones were all kind of like a few years after that, 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:18.039 and then this one was in November. So this is 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:22.000 the newest one. Yeah, oh nice. So what was the 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.520 symbolism of this? This was for my one of my 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.120 best friends passed about a little over two years ago, 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.760 and he always wore a fedora, and so it took 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:32.560 me a while to like come up with the idea 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.840 because I just I wanted to honor him in some way. 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.440 But his name was Gobby. He was an amazing musician 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.520 and he actually helped record and produced my first like 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:45.159 EP after I left my old band Hey Monday Monday, Yes, 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.480 And so he was like a big part of my 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.720 countryjourney coming into country pop. Yeah. Yeah, I just just 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:53.240 kind of helped me out in the time where I 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.440 needed it the most. And then, yeah, so I just 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:57.159 wanted to honor him in a way. And he always 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:02.000 worked the doors man the little have things. Well comes, okay, 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.960 what river is taking up the whole couch? But figure 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.479 it out? Can we join you? Guys. Okay, so you 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.400 started your career in Florida, Yes, in Hey London, Yes. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.320 Talk to me about how that band got going and 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.600 how you were you always a musician? Did you know 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.400 you're gonna do music? I just find your love for it. Yeah. 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.320 I started singing at four years old, so I've just 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.720 always known I wanted to sing. And then, um, I 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.599 picked up a guitar like ten years old old, and 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.880 I would kind I would mostly just write on guitar, 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.120 didn't really go out and play it live, so it 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.719 was more just for that. And then um yeah, starting 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:38.560 in kind of my pre teen years, I got into 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.880 rock music because as a kid I saying country and 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.440 then I just started getting into rock music and then 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:47.120 I kind of go hand in hand. Yeah, it's coming 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:51.000 together more than ever with dying. I know, it's kind 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.240 of crazy. I mean you turn on alternative and it's 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.200 it's just a lot of electronics, so it's definitely not 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.800 the same, but it is like there's a lot of 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.040 rock and country music, and when you know, growing up 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.080 listening to country music, I was more into the kind 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.640 of pop side like Martina and I and Faith Hill. 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.920 So that's why I like I tend to go that 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.880 way anyway. Yeah, well do you have that big voice? Thanks? 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:18.120 What the heck was that was the front door? It was? 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.680 It was probably the wind or something. I'm scared of. 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.800 Me was like, what in the world, Um well, I 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.200 have an alarm system, so that's good. Um yeah. I 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:32.160 just started playing in bands and around like thirteen or fifteen, 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:36.880 and then I just got into Hey Monday and we 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.360 got signed really fast. To say that I had a 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.240 big life, I mean it for not making it all 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.960 the way, it had a big swell around it. Yeah. 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.040 It's really bizarre to to live here and like right 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.680 with somebody or um go do press or something and 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.880 they're like, oh, yeah, we used to listen to Hey Monday, 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.240 and I'm just likely that is. So. I did not 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.520 think that we were that big, and you know, like 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.679 you said, didn't have like a hit on the radio 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.360 or anything. We weren't massive, but there was just this 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.480 really interesting kind of like core following that stuck with 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.160 me through the years. And I know they've they've supported 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.800 the other guys and their endeavors, so it's kind of crazy. 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:17.400 So after did Hey Mindy just kind of naturally end 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.120 And then at that sometimes that when you're like, well, shoot, 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:23.600 I'm gonna just go win the voice. Well I wish 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.720 that was my thought process. That would have been really 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:29.880 confident of me. I left the band. We we started 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.840 to just kind of hit a ceiling, and so I 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.559 left the band, went to l A, tried to pursue 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:38.000 a solo thing. I did this really small acoustic tour 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.240 and I mean there were like five people at every show. 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.440 It was brutal, um and it went back into van 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:46.800 and everything, because hey, Monday, we started in a van 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.280 and then we went to a bus, which was like 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.160 the best thing ever, but then you went back to van. 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:53.920 So it was like a hit to the pride. But 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.480 I did and it was fun. But um, I got 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:01.120 the opportunity to go audition with a voice, and I was, well, 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.480 this seems like a really good time to do it 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:08.160 because I'm pretty desperate. I'm back in a vandage so okay, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.640 yeah exactly. And I was living with my friend Ali 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.120 at the time, who's in l A still. She's a 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.960 songwriter and she was starting to do really well with songwriting. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.840 So thankfully she was like, don't worry about rent, just 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.839 do your thing. Not an angel She's an angel I've 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.120 ever since I was in preschool, so she was always 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.840 a big part of my life. But yeah, I went 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.240 and auditioned and the rest is history. It's kind of 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.800 crazy you brought up something that I like to talk 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:37.000 about with people a lot, that the transitions of life. 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.160 I feel like so many people would see someone like 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.520 you and they'd be like, you are the dream, and 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.800 you are the dream. But then it's like when you 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.560 break down the dream to get to where you are, 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.959 which is to have this the number one song with 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:53.560 Chris Young, I mean, like a huge presence on social media. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.560 People love everything you do. You just put out new 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.199 music and it's like the cover of Spotify and I 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.440 love that. You know, people would be like, oh my gosh, 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.439 Cassidy Pope is the dream. But to get to the 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.680 dream you had to go through so much stuff that 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.040 I feel like people don't realize the hard work and 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:10.920 the paying on the heart, like you said, going from 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.120 a bus back to a van to like figure out 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.160 what's kind of like to And I feel like selling 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.120 musicians and artists and creatives in general have that where 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.760 it's just like you know you have the talent and 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:22.560 what it takes, but you just don't quite know how 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.240 to get it out there, so you have to trial 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.360 and error do Yeah. Absolutely, I mean especially with the 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.679 team that surrounds you, because coming off of the Voice, 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.679 I inherited my team and I'm really lucky. That's the 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.640 best thing that you ever did. Yeah, I mean I 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.360 really A part of me sometimes wonders like what it 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.880 would have been like if I had just stuck with 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.320 it and trucked through it and done it like kind 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.200 of old school way. But then another part of me 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.880 is really happy with where I am, and um what 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.280 I probably wouldn't be in this exact place. I know 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.920 I wouldn't yea um, but yeah, I mean my whole 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.280 career has been ups and downs. I mean even just 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.560 last year it was like a really tough year. I 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:03.400 had left my label, just became single after like seven 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.440 and a half years with the same person, and so 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:10.120 you literally stripped all things in your life, label, serious, relationship, 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:15.280 publishing management. Did you feel so naked? I did? What 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.320 what does that feeling feel like to have no team, 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:22.360 no boyfriend, no nothing you but all this experience and 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.720 wisdom behind you. Yeah, I think that's it. I was. 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.800 I was really trusting myself in those moments because I 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:33.040 I my whole career really has been listening to people 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:35.640 that are more successful than I am um and kind 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.280 of letting them sway my decisions. And while a lot 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.440 of times, you know, it was great people were steering 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.880 me in the right direction, a lot of times things 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.520 didn't work out, and I was like, man, if I 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.760 only just went with my guts, So I know, just 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.679 why does it Teesta want to learn that? It sucks 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.640 to learn that after you've like made all of these 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.960 not great decisions. But you know, last year, I was 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.640 just like, what was your breaking point last year? What 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.199 happen then to make it all just be like explode 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:07.320 to you? Almost like rebirthing. Yeah, well I was. I 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.280 started to have a really tough time with music after 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.600 right after Think of You, I released my own song 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.679 Summer and that was a huge Think of You was 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.959 like a massive number one with christ Young y'all did 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.760 a tour. I mean around this time you were like 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.240 playing Awards. As I saw you on Awards with pit Bull. Yeah, 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.360 it was crazy, But what's happening? I know? And it 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.920 felt like, oh my gosh, it's finally it's happening, because 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.360 I mean, I'm not saying it wasn't. It didn't feel 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.480 good before then like wasting all these tears. Right after 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.760 that was a big hit that was like a top ten. 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:39.559 It's a huge hit. Did you come in out of 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.040 the voice with with your own single? And it makes 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.199 top ten? It makes top ten, big impact. Way to 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.000 start your period. Yeah, I felt good. Then the second 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.640 single bombs, I mean didn't bomb at Actually at one 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.640 point I was like one of it was I was 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.240 the only girl in the top thirty or something, and 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.880 but they moved on really quickly, and what are you 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.520 gonna do? And that's something that is unfortunately artists learned 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.719 the hard way sometimes that the labels is. You can 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.360 have you coming off the biggest show in America as 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.600 the winner, have a huge hit, and then for whatever reason, 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.320 the label might just decide they're not going to push 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.360 that second single if it hits a little bit of resistance, 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.200 the resistance that's just a little bit because they couldn't 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.160 push it through. Of course, there's so many things at play, 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.800 but it's so frustrating. It's frustrating because you know, you 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.240 see other people who stick with it and they can 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.439 push a single for almost a year and finally get 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.439 their number one, and it's like I'm patient, I'm ready, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.960 I'm ready to way. I know how country radio works, 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.240 but you know that that that was like a low 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.280 point and then um, think of You happened like right 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:42.120 when I didn't have anything going on, and that was amazing. Um, 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.040 and then I wanted to strike while the iron was hot, 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.160 so I like, I released Summer and it's like EPA 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.320 thank you, and then that got pulled really fast, like 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.720 after five weeks, and I was just how do you 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:57.000 deal with that? Frustration? I left? You left? That was? 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:58.920 That was it? That was the point. I was like, 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:01.920 this is this isn't working? Like and it were not 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.200 even though they could be great and you're great, Yeah, 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.679 maybe it's just not a match exactly because clearly they 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.040 know what they're they're amazing and were broken a lot 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.840 of artists, but it just for some reason wasn't working. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.000 And we're on still on great terms. But um, it 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.480 was definitely that moment was when I was like, this 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.040 isn't good. I wasn't um, I didn't feel like myself. 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:27.560 I started to feel really um like blocked creatively, and um, 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.760 I realized that had a lot to do with just 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.680 me working on myself, and you know, it's really it's 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.160 the personal side is a lot that I probably don't 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.760 want to get into into, but you know that that 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.240 was a big thing as well. So getting getting past 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.560 that and then kind of like, I haven't been alone 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.120 since I was like eighteen, So what have you discovered 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:53.680 about yourself? So low Cassidy, it has been so I've 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.120 like finally loved myself, which I didn't I thought I 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.640 did before, but I really didn't understand what that's really like, 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.360 What what's the difference? What what is different now as 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.440 opposed to what you thought would love? I really before 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.720 I thought, um, it's very it was very surface level 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.880 loving myself. It was very like to try to look 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.120 as confident as you can because then other people will 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.080 think that you're confident, put out that you love yourself, 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.680 and then but not really understanding what that is. And 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:27.120 then like you know, I read books, I went to therapy, 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.240 I did all this stuff. I really took the time 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.040 to just get to know myself and figured whatever it 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.160 was out. And then I realized I like I cared 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.320 too much about what everybody thought and that's so normal. Yeah, 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.920 And like I looked around too much, and I just 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.600 was like, well, why isn't this working? Why can't I 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.120 do this? And when that person? When that person can 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.480 and and um and now I'm just like, Okay, I'm 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.880 very different from everybody else, Like everybody has their own 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.960 unique thing, which is your superpower, yeah, which we if 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.360 we all just tapped into that, everybody would be much 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.520 out there, you know, because we are very very different people, 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:03.880 like all of us. So, um, I kind of just 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.280 I just trusted my gut. And then I'd like I 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:11.640 started to walk into rooms and I would be able 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.800 to go to places by myself and not feel like, 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:15.680 oh my god, I would feel like I'm a loser 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.960 and here by myself, like it just you know, I'd 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.120 feel confident just even in a room. He's just gonna 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:26.160 sit on you, just comfortable as don't you, buddy, He's 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.920 just sitting on the couch getting in the shot. Okay. 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.200 But yeah, I, um, it was a really it was 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.400 a tough time, but it was also really really essential. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:40.000 I've never gone through that in my adult life, and um, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.760 you know, being alone and like being okay with the 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.080 fact that okay, I'm gonna have some nights where I'm lonely, 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.680 where I'm used to somebody like being with me and 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.280 sleeping next to me. But that's kind of just like 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:54.640 the process. And then and then eventually you get to 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:56.440 I got to a place where I was like, okay, 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.280 I'm ready ready to get back out there, and you know, 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:04.160 started dating, started going, and like both both like musically 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.800 and personally. I was like, uh, you know, going to 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.560 meetings with managers and going on dates with boys. It 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.639 was just you really free. I was I'm happy and 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.479 like excited. Yeah, I was really excited. I was like, Okay, 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.600 I hadn't met anybody that I was excited about, and 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.280 I was like, it's still even so like I'm still 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.800 I'm still walking into these things with my head held 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.080 high and no expectations that. That was another thing. It's 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:34.880 like with everything in my life, I would always envision 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.280 and picture of things happening a certain way, and then 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.040 when they didn't happen that way, I was disappointed. And 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.120 it's just it's very hard to not do that. But 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:50.040 like you just become so much more fulfilled. Guys, there's 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.000 so many bones. Why do you have to steal his 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:56.719 bone because this Rivers has it, so it's obviously the 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:01.080 best one. You were an I share. See that was 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.760 a good sheering. I mean, we can do this, we 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:08.440 can pose this, we can do this. Um and then 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.439 uh and then yeah, I met my manager Daniel, and UM, 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.760 we hit it off right away. But I you know, 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.400 being in the state of like I'm just I need 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.320 to make sure I'm making our decisions. I just met 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.560 with a bunch of other managers too, and in the 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:23.960 back of my mind knowing Daniel was probably the one, 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.320 and then went with Daniel and the rest of the 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.960 team just kind of fell into place after that. And 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.640 I don't I'm not signed to a label and I'm 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.720 choosing to do this independently, made their own music the 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.159 way we want to make it. Yeah, everything from the 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:42.080 visuals to the music to potential touring and in the 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.760 fall is all my what I want, my vision. So 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.959 it's it's really feeling good. I love that, and I 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.000 love that you have gotten to this point in the process, 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.280 because if we would have interviewed maybe like six months 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:56.960 a year earlier, you might have been in a totally 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:59.320 different mindset. But the thing that I think it's so 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.240 cool about what you're doing. And I have lived through 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.919 this in my own life in different ways. Is just 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.240 you sat in the mup for a while and you 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.439 just like let yourself feel it. And I feel like 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:12.320 so many times people, especially people in spotlight, especially people 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.480 who do feel all that pressure to keep going in 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:16.919 the urgency of like in this industry is like you've 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.200 got to stay out there, but really you don't, because 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.639 it's so much better to take the time to figure 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.439 out who you are tow on the front end than 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.719 to just keep the mess going. It's really hard to 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.960 figure yourself out a lot of commitment, and I mean 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.399 everyone was to deal with that. No, I mean I was. 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:38.800 I didn't do any any press, any red carpet, any 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.280 ward shows. I didn't like. I wasn't on tour last year. 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.200 I didn't. The only thing that I did career wise 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.320 was get in the studio with Corey Crowder and get 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.479 the music done. And that was like therapy at that 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.359 point because I was going through so much. But I really, 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.760 you're right, I sat in it, and I like, I 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.359 feel like if I hadn't, and I would never be 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.439 in this space. I mean, I feel like I could 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.399 handle anything. Like I feel like my skin got thicker 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.720 is crazy. And also the addiction of buzziness, which I 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.679 feel like for for me, like I had for the 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.120 longest time, it's been tality. I'm not busy, if I'm 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.160 not doing something that I'm not relevant, I'm not worthy 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.280 or whatever. Really, sometimes there is a time where you 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.480 do just need to like center and reflect it. I 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:26.679 I think balance is very underrated. I think, you know, 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:30.479 there's such a focus on working hard and really you know, 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.240 hammering in and like you know people that look busy 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.320 or look more successful, But it's like you have to 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.520 take time for yourself because if you don't, you're going 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:41.680 to burn out and you're not going to be at 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:45.320 your best if you're exhausted. And just like going and 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.080 doing and saying yes to every single thing, and not 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:52.440 to mention that's not exactly best for some people's brands anyway, 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.880