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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Dr Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew.

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Speaker 2: Hello, John, how are you?

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Speaker 3: How did Drew get to see you? This is in

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Speaker 3: the lab. We're having a good time. We've got an

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Speaker 3: interesting one today because it's kind of abbreviated. We got

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Speaker 3: a month ago until training camp starts. The guys practice

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Speaker 3: for the last time last Wednesday, almost a week ago. Now, yep,

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Speaker 3: nothing too much going on in the building. There are

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Speaker 3: into the weight room as I was headed into the

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Speaker 3: radio studio, digital studio, and some prominent guys. So you'll

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Speaker 3: see that. You'll see that trickle here and there for

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Speaker 3: the next month. Some guys don't even really ever leave.

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Speaker 3: They just they come by. They get a workout in,

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Speaker 3: They do one of those, they do three of those,

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Speaker 3: they do two of it. So it's sort of a

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Speaker 3: constant ebb and flow. Some guys are they're out of here, man,

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Speaker 3: They're they're on vacation. One last hoorah. Before everything at

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Speaker 3: schooled in late July. But there's still people in the building, John.

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Speaker 4: There are, and you know they've got different things that

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Speaker 4: Clay Hampton, I mean he's got you know, travel things.

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Speaker 4: I mean he's in charge of all the travel for

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Speaker 4: know that gets to be you know, it's enough for

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Speaker 4: all that. So everybody's got a little, you know, little

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Speaker 4: something they're working on. And you know, like you said,

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Speaker 4: some of the players are in here. I saw I

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Speaker 4: out of the weight room and looked like he got

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Speaker 2: You know, like he was getting his final workout in.

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Speaker 4: So you know, you've always got this opportunity to be

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Speaker 2: So get a few meals into yeah, you get a

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Speaker 4: And I don't know how it is in other cities,

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Speaker 4: but I know in Houston, place set. A lot of

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Speaker 4: guys make their home when they're done playing, So while

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Speaker 4: and they make Houston their home. So for guys that

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Speaker 4: But you know, there's a lot that still goes on,

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Speaker 4: but it's a lot quieter than it typically is, which

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Speaker 4: is always it always takes a little bit of getting

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Speaker 2: Then it all squeaky thing going on.

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Speaker 3: Right. Yes, I don't know what that is. I think

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Speaker 2: That thing is so loud.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean that's you know, inside baseball sort

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Speaker 4: and then that would go by. I thought he would

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Speaker 4: media more than it bothers. People up there's stuff, they're talking.

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Speaker 4: They don't even seem like they notice it. But every

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Speaker 4: just kind of roller eyes, like what is that?

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Speaker 2: Please stop it?

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Speaker 4: But yeah, that continues, but for the most part, the

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Speaker 3: So I want to revisit something two years ago in March,

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Speaker 3: times were lean or doomed here lean with a capital L.

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Speaker 3: Texans were coming off twenty twenty. Twenty twenty did not

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Speaker 3: twenty one. There was lots of question marks. The stuff

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Speaker 2: So it was tough.

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Speaker 3: You and I didn't have a whole lot to talk about.

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Speaker 3: That was positive. You know, we'd kind of run out

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Speaker 3: but just people don't really care as much when you're

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Speaker 3: not picking. Until what was that seventy something sixty seventy

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we had to divert in do different things.

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Speaker 3: And I came up with an idea that I'd seen

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Speaker 3: off of Twitter and somebody was somebody had done it

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Speaker 3: with Major League Baseball, but the premise was you can

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Speaker 3: pick one player, and one player only from each of

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Speaker 3: the Major League Baseball teams major League Baseball franchise.

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Speaker 2: So I think there's thirty.

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Speaker 3: We've got thirty two in the NFL with thirty, so

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Speaker 3: you can take any astro you want and put them

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Speaker 3: go back and take another astro. You know, I take

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Speaker 3: I do that with my pal John? And you can

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Speaker 3: take whoever you want in any order, but you can

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Speaker 3: only take one guy from one team. And we came

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Speaker 3: up with an all thirty two NFL draft, and it

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Speaker 2: You and I had a great time with it.

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Speaker 3: We broke it up into four podcasts and spread out

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Speaker 2: And then and I never.

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Speaker 3: Got a chance to respond to this, and it's been

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Speaker 3: under it's been a burn my saddle, be in my bonnet,

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Speaker 3: a monkey in my ranch for a while. But you

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Speaker 3: and John Mark talked about it on Texans All Access

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Speaker 3: one night and you just said you explained who your

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Speaker 2: Those are the best to it. You're gonna wait, You're

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Speaker 2: gonna kill him? Its check. I'm like, what did you hear?

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Speaker 2: Who I have? So?

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Speaker 3: I thought about it because there have been some fun

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Speaker 3: things that have happened and people have chimed in about so,

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Speaker 3: like Jim Mersey is what made me think of this.

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Speaker 3: He just, for some reason, after the Jim Brown death,

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Speaker 3: he didn't have Peyton Manning on it. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 3: and thinking, see, Jim.

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Speaker 2: Mercy, you think about that.

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Speaker 4: Mark's on my side, Jim Mersey is not yours. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what kind of stamp of approval that is,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, the the fact that you just gave out

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Speaker 2: Is this kind of interesting?

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Speaker 4: But yeah, the fact that the fact that he forgot

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Speaker 2: And it was not one.

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Speaker 4: It was not a decision that I wanted to make

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Speaker 4: because we talked long, We talked long, hard about this

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Speaker 2: And I think it kind of showed in the way

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Speaker 4: You went in the way back machine and you drafted

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Speaker 4: Larry Bird growing up, hated him, hated, hated, hated Larry

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Speaker 4: Peyton Manning was like that group for me, Like I

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Speaker 2: You know when he was at Tennessee and I lived.

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Speaker 4: You know, Jacksonville is only about an hour and fifteen

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Speaker 4: from from Gainesville, and so I had been in that

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Speaker 4: there's no question. But I think years after he left

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Speaker 4: making the pick of him, Peyton Manning for me is

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Speaker 2: I felt okay with that. I felt alright with that.

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Speaker 4: And obviously you could add the quarterback from any given

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Speaker 4: because you wanted a Baltimore guy, I went with Indianapolis guy.

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Speaker 2: Our two quarterbacks ended up being Peyton Manning and John Elway. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was partial. I've always been partial to Lway. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the the the irony is, I would never have

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Speaker 4: A guy that just stood in the pocket and just delivered.

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Speaker 4: I would have wanted a guy like John Elway. But

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Speaker 4: And so, like you said, once you had a player

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Speaker 4: and you ended up going with John Elway. It was

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Speaker 4: John Elway, which was smart because at that point it

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Speaker 2: I knew one guy, I knew one player, and I

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Speaker 2: went and took him.

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Speaker 4: I think I took him number one because I felt like,

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Speaker 4: Plus this guy's at a priority position. I gotta go

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Speaker 4: with Anthony Munos. I gotta take him number one. So

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Speaker 4: I had a priority position player, but there was no

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Speaker 2: So that's the way I.

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Speaker 3: And I really like my defense because I've got Lawrence Taylor,

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Speaker 2: Who would it be? I got three guys in mine

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Speaker 4: Okay, I think it would come up with Jerry Rice.

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Speaker 4: So that's why I was flipping my three sided coin that,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I still feel like there's some there's some

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