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Speaker 1: Night Football or Wednesday Afternoon football to talk about, including
Speaker 1: the team the Cowboys are going to face come up
Speaker 1: next Tuesday. So we're going to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the Baltimore Ravens and the Pittsburgh Steelers today. And
Speaker 1: it's kind of the craziest situation that you could potentially have.
Speaker 1: I mean, RG three, Robert Griffin, the third of Texas born,
Speaker 1: Texas raised quarterback is starting for the Baltimore Ravens tonight
Speaker 1: and supposedly going against the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I say
Speaker 1: supposedly because there were a couple more positive tests and
Speaker 1: everybody has to test through if they're Baltimore in order
Speaker 1: to actually play tonight. So any other updates that you've
Speaker 1: heard of Rob in terms of this game and how
Speaker 1: it could potentially affect the Cowboys moving into next week.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it affects the Cowboys just yet.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys are just doing their thing, just
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, go through their schedule and get
Speaker 1: ready for Tuesday. It is next Tuesday, right is. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be back to practice today and I
Speaker 1: think the schedule for the Cowboys is to practice today
Speaker 1: and practice on Friday and Saturday. So that's that looks
Speaker 1: like what they're planning to do, and hopefully this game
Speaker 1: stays on schedule for the third time. And you know,
Speaker 1: as far as Raven Steelers, just what you said, Kyle,
Speaker 1: you know, Ian Rappaport was on NFL Network today saying,
Speaker 1: like you said, there's still some POC tests they've got
Speaker 1: to do, and they've got to wait those results before
Speaker 1: that game can be kicked off. And there's still questions
Speaker 1: about who's going to be activated for the Ravens. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to talk about them right now,
Speaker 1: just because we don't know who they're going to have
Speaker 1: available other than we know RG three is going to
Speaker 1: start for him, and I know they activated Trace mcsoreley,
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback out of Penn State. He was activated yesterday,
Speaker 1: so they have two quarterbacks, which is I mean more
Speaker 1: quarterbacks than what Denver had to work with this past week.
Speaker 1: But that's something that is significant going into this game.
Speaker 1: This game tonight doesn't necessarily affect the Cowboys outside of
Speaker 1: the fact that it needs to get played in order
Speaker 1: for them to play next Tuesday. That's pretty much the
Speaker 1: by them lying with it. Plus, like you said, Rob,
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy. How do you prepare as a Cowboys organization?
Speaker 1: I mean they're literally out ready to practice here in
Speaker 1: the next what is an hour and a half, they'll
Speaker 1: be out on the practice field. What are you prepare
Speaker 1: for if you're looking at a Baltimore team and you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know who's on the other side. Isaiah that
Speaker 1: you might be the best one to answer that question. Well,
Speaker 1: I can tell you that I'm gonna have on my
Speaker 1: essel or lenses today and I'll be watching that game.
Speaker 1: But aside from that, I mean, you're prepared, just like
Speaker 1: I mean, the good thing is they have what eleven
Speaker 1: weeks of game film to go off of, So I mean,
Speaker 1: what happens today doesn't really doesn't really matter much. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think these guys are they they've they've been pretty
Speaker 1: dug on punished in terms of this whole COVID deal.
Speaker 1: So they don't even have a defensive line. I don't
Speaker 1: know who they're playing on a d line today, But
Speaker 1: I mean, you take it with a grain of salt today,
Speaker 1: but you got eleven other games that you look at
Speaker 1: to build your game plan off of. Hey, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean for the Pittsburgh Steelers, for all of the teams
Speaker 1: that are involved and just trying to figure out what's
Speaker 1: going to happen over this next couple of hours or
Speaker 1: the next week or so. I mean, look at the
Speaker 1: curveball that those guys have been thrown, and teams are
Speaker 1: just trying to scramble to figure out who they're going
Speaker 1: to be facing on any given week. So I mean
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, obviously they're watching this closely to see
Speaker 1: how this is all going to come out. But I
Speaker 1: just believe that the NFL, at some point it's going
Speaker 1: to have to step in and make some major moves,
Speaker 1: whether it be extending the season out, given everybody an
Speaker 1: extra bye week to get this thing under control because
Speaker 1: the second surge, as we've all anticipated and COVID is
Speaker 1: actually happening. So you know, they're probably doing everything that
Speaker 1: they possibly can with the contact tracing all of those things,
Speaker 1: but it's really kind of hard to contain it week
Speaker 1: to week, and you're just starting to see every week
Speaker 1: that this is just kind of getting a little raggedy
Speaker 1: how they're approaching it, Kyle, they I guess one of
Speaker 1: the reports too, is that mark Ingram and JK. Dobbins
Speaker 1: will not play despite I guess being removed from of
Speaker 1: the nineteen reserve earlier in the week. They've been activated,
Speaker 1: but they're not gonna play. So you don't know who's
Speaker 1: gonna play running back for the Ravens this week. I
Speaker 1: guess their hope would be Lamar Jackson gets back for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys game. To Heckma's point talking about trying to
Speaker 1: extend the season and give give them a week eighteen,
Speaker 1: thefl just doesn't seem to want to do that, and
Speaker 1: I wonder if it has to do with, you know,
Speaker 1: you got the top two seeds in each conference that
Speaker 1: get a buye, they get a week off, and it's
Speaker 1: basically two weeks before they play the divisional round. If
Speaker 1: you played a Week eighteen and they're not part of that,
Speaker 1: as my voice cracks again, then you would have, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Sopranos are back. You would have three weeks. Three
Speaker 1: weeks for those top two teams in each conference. Just
Speaker 1: sit around and wait. I don't know if that's fair.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a that's a RUSS thing that they're concerned about.
Speaker 1: But at some point, you know, if this keeps on
Speaker 1: this trajectory, they may have to do something. Like Heckma said,
Speaker 1: We'll see. I mean, they're just trying to figure out
Speaker 1: as they go the best they can. Isaiah and I
Speaker 1: talked about this this yesterday while we were kind of
Speaker 1: finishing up film room, and we were talking about the
Speaker 1: fact that the NFL is so reluctant to finally add
Speaker 1: that Week eighteen. And I guess this point, it's kind
Speaker 1: of a mood point because you're supposedly going to play
Speaker 1: tonight for this Pittsburgh and Baltimore game. But do you
Speaker 1: think fantasy sports plays an impact in that? I mean,
Speaker 1: we're talking about something that shouldn't influence the real game,
Speaker 1: but at this point, it's a billion dollars in an industry.
Speaker 1: Do you think the fact that pushing this game back
Speaker 1: and talking about fantasy football is one of the reasons
Speaker 1: that could potentially be the reason for no Week eighteen.
Speaker 1: I think so, I know we talked about yesterday, call
Speaker 1: I think fantasy, not not solely fantasy, but I think
Speaker 1: all of their contractual obligations that they have with all
Speaker 1: their corporate corporates, partnerships and sponsorships and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: all this stuff has timelines on it. All this stuff
Speaker 1: has raid line so as a domino effect, right, So
Speaker 1: it's once one thing moves, if you move one week,
Speaker 1: everything's affected. Um. I think there's there's all kinds of
Speaker 1: stadium um you know, timelines and usages and all that
Speaker 1: kind of say. It gets crazy. So that's why they're
Speaker 1: trying everything they can to stay within that window. But
Speaker 1: as you as you alluded to, if this thing keeps rolling,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they do, because they're gonna lose
Speaker 1: a lot of money if they if they decide to
Speaker 1: move this extended season out Ama. So you're saying capitalism
Speaker 1: has something to do with the NFL A little bit,
Speaker 1: just a little bit. I mean, I've we've we've talked
Speaker 1: about this at LED before the season even started. What
Speaker 1: would happen if something like this happened, and how with
Speaker 1: the you know, the NFL adjust. We looked at the
Speaker 1: NBA and what they did with having the bubble and
Speaker 1: all of that, and people were really excited about the
Speaker 1: way that the NBA handled it. The NFL being one
Speaker 1: of the biggest leagues in the world, I think they're
Speaker 1: just trying to get They're trying to satisfy a lot
Speaker 1: of different groups in this, and I can see that,
Speaker 1: like Isaiah said, the marketing dollars, stadium dollars, there's a
Speaker 1: lot that goes into it. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: fantasy so much, but like you said, Kyle, it is
Speaker 1: a billion dollar industry, so it may very well have
Speaker 1: something to do with it. But I just think as
Speaker 1: a whole, the NFL is just trying to scramble to
Speaker 1: figure out how to get all of this done. You
Speaker 1: gotta think about it. We have five more weeks in
Speaker 1: the season, then you have four weeks for the for
Speaker 1: the playoffs, So man, how we get through the next
Speaker 1: nine ten weeks. It's going to be very interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they've you know, they've put in so much
Speaker 1: work trying to for the safety part of it for
Speaker 1: the players, and obviously they want to play the games.
Speaker 1: They've got the TV contracts, and they don't have the
Speaker 1: attendance coming in this year, so that's that's going to
Speaker 1: be a huge revenue loss for the league, no doubt.
Speaker 1: It may come to the point where it's you know,
Speaker 1: I know they dismissed the idea of a giant bubble
Speaker 1: like the NBA had or like the NHL had, just
Speaker 1: in terms of the number of players, but they may
Speaker 1: have to follow Teams may have to follow the Cowboys
Speaker 1: blueprint as best they can. Like we mentioned yesterday that
Speaker 1: most teams don't have a hotel next door to their
Speaker 1: connected to their facility, but there may be have to
Speaker 1: be those home market bubbles just to try to do
Speaker 1: everything you can to lessen the risk of transmission. You know,
Speaker 1: let me ask you guys this question. Had had the
Speaker 1: NFL known that it was going to get this bad,
Speaker 1: do you think that they would have elected to do
Speaker 1: the bubble before camp started now, like a full bubble
Speaker 1: or just oh, I just don't know if you could
Speaker 1: have pulled it off, like in terms of having a
Speaker 1: facility that could do that for thousands of people. God, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would have been an Olympic. That would have been
Speaker 1: like the Olympic Village. Yeah, I wish we could have
Speaker 1: been on that one, right, Yeah, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: but the home market bubbles is another option. And and
Speaker 1: I guess it's not you know, the Cowboys staff has
Speaker 1: moved over were there. But I guess it's not in
Speaker 1: that revised CBA that the players have to do that.
Speaker 1: But maybe that's something they have to revisit. And you know,
Speaker 1: because it seems to be working for the Cowboys. You know,
Speaker 1: they've had a couple of tests here and there. Of course,
Speaker 1: you know, Andy Dalton's back, but for the most part
Speaker 1: they've done pretty well. The biggest thing is that you
Speaker 1: have to be responsible on your own, you know, and
Speaker 1: guys have done a good job of that. There is
Speaker 1: still a possibility of a playoff bubble, though, I mean,
Speaker 1: do you think that that's something that the NFL should
Speaker 1: severely look into. I mean, we saw it with at
Speaker 1: least Major League Baseball for a tad bit where they
Speaker 1: took the divisional series and they put them in separate
Speaker 1: locations and then they had different locations for the NLCS
Speaker 1: and the ALCS and then ultimately the World Series was
Speaker 1: held in Arlington. So do you think there's something of
Speaker 1: the sort where you could put these playoff teams in
Speaker 1: a bubble? And I know Cowboys fans probably don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about playoffs right now, but it's something to
Speaker 1: think about whenever it comes to COVID nineteen. In the
Speaker 1: current situation that we're in. I think they should. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think they should. I mean, that's the only way
Speaker 1: that that's the only way that you can protect protect
Speaker 1: the brand. You can't control UM, this virus, that's number one.
Speaker 1: You can't control. But as I always say, control what
Speaker 1: you can control, and if you get if you can
Speaker 1: limit UM the accessibility that people have to your players
Speaker 1: and your staff, then why would you not do that?
Speaker 1: I don't care how inconvenient it is. Again, like we
Speaker 1: talked about before the season started, inconveniance doesn't matter when
Speaker 1: you're when you're when you're committed to going out there
Speaker 1: and try to win a ring. I don't give a
Speaker 1: dog on about conveniance. Give me the opportunity to win
Speaker 1: a ring. ACMA, Well, there, yeah, there it is. I
Speaker 1: mean I think that you know, they just have to
Speaker 1: be very careful with this. I mean getting a bubble
Speaker 1: together for the playoffs. You're talking was at fourteen teams?
Speaker 1: Uh in a bubble? How does that travel? I don't know.
Speaker 1: The numbers would probably be again another logistical nightmare for
Speaker 1: the n FELD and just trying to handle that. But
Speaker 1: I think that guys would side where Isaiah is. They
Speaker 1: wouldn't care one way or another. I think it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's the chase for the Lombardi is what these players
Speaker 1: care about. And so if it's just a we're talking
Speaker 1: about a week, a couple of weeks to get that
Speaker 1: done versus how the NBA did it for months, I
Speaker 1: think that would be something that the players would be
Speaker 1: prone to doing. Yeah, I mean you knew, you kind
Speaker 1: of knew this second way it was coming because once
Speaker 1: once fall and winter comes, you know, people were indoors
Speaker 1: more and then that's flu flu in cold season, and
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily COVID, but it's symptoms and you don't
Speaker 1: know what they are, and then that causes concern. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I'm sure they're having discussions on contingency plans and
Speaker 1: maybe you could do and I'm just spitballing here, maybe
Speaker 1: you could do a NFC bubble and an AFC bubble
Speaker 1: in one city and then and just try to handle
Speaker 1: it that way. I know the NCAA is planning to
Speaker 1: looks like doing the whole tournament in one city this year,
Speaker 1: which March Maddness. No March Madness this year was like
Speaker 1: a blow to my heart. So hopefully they can pull
Speaker 1: that off. And maybe that's something that the NFL could
Speaker 1: look at too. I think it's something that you got
Speaker 1: to look at. And maybe even if it's four cities,
Speaker 1: you talk about like four different cities, you take the
Speaker 1: Southern teams, the Eastern teams, the Western teams, the Northern
Speaker 1: teams and put them all in a bubble each specifically.
Speaker 1: I think that's something you could potentially do from the
Speaker 1: playoffs standpoint. I guess that would be a little bit different,
Speaker 1: but because of the divisions and the overlapping of these games.
Speaker 1: But I think you got to at least throw out
Speaker 1: these contingency plans and see how they fit into what
Speaker 1: could potentially happen for the NFL coming up in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But while the Cowboys still technically not out of the
Speaker 1: playoff hunt, there's still a game and a half back
Speaker 1: or actually just a game back of first place now
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Speaker 1: now established the fact that we have a residence super
Speaker 1: Bowl champion, and Isaiah was asking questions about the parcel's
Speaker 1: final Riot poster in the back of Rob's set up here.
Speaker 1: And so now I apparently have to call Rob the
Speaker 1: resident Emmy Award winner on the show as well. So
Speaker 1: I got a couple of things we can hit up
Speaker 1: there whenever it comes to well, you and I got
Speaker 1: to pick a uper Bowl em got no no, no, no, Kyle,
Speaker 1: no no, Kyle. Wait a minute, college, don't don't do
Speaker 1: this now. Was as we know, Rob has has the Emmy,
Speaker 1: all right, So Rob has then Emmy, and then he
Speaker 1: has another little Emmy, right, so you got two Emmy, Rob, right,
Speaker 1: robbi in two Emmy R. And then we have mister
Speaker 1: Heckma Harrison who has a signed the goat Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 1: Nice little frame picture back there in the background. That's
Speaker 1: called stunning right there, that's pretty say you're stunting, okay,
Speaker 1: that's called stunting. Um. And then we and then we
Speaker 1: and then we have just me, who's just you know,
Speaker 1: I just have a picture of myself that somebody somebody
Speaker 1: painting on me. That's cool, all right, But then we
Speaker 1: have you, Kyle, and you've already you've already made it
Speaker 1: very clear, um that that you that we're just your
Speaker 1: background dancers, Why that you are You're that you're the
Speaker 1: host of this show and all of us will just
Speaker 1: play a small part, and you know, and we're just
Speaker 1: a little pauns. You know. He's he's Lebron, He's Lebron,
Speaker 1: and we're like Dellavedova and yeah, yeah, guys, Kyrie last names.
Speaker 1: So we're not even ever protect you on a chess board,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, that's all. Why why do
Speaker 1: I ever let you take the reins of this show ever?
Speaker 1: Like I don't like, I don't. I don't know Sebezi's
Speaker 1: in the back. I don't think she would disagree with
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing right now. And well, Sebez, he's also
Speaker 1: won a couple Emmys of his own, so he's got
Speaker 1: some Emmies back there as well, So he's got some
Speaker 1: of that. He's got some of the golden golden trophies.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what they're called. They hold the
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Speaker 1: too along the way. Now, yesterday we had fans on
Speaker 1: the fifty and we answered a couple of questions. We
Speaker 1: kind of got off on a tangent though, based off
Speaker 1: of a couple of those questions. So I kind of
Speaker 1: want to go back through and answer some more questions
Speaker 1: from yesterday. So if you're watching and you sent in
Speaker 1: a question yesterday and I completely ignored you, we're not
Speaker 1: going to ignore you anymore. So Dallas Smith sent us
Speaker 1: a question and actually tagged me and Rob in this,
Speaker 1: and he said, do you think that Jerry told Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy that Kelly Moore has to be the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 1: And that's why we haven't seen Mike take over the
Speaker 1: play calling or push more influence in on the offense.
Speaker 1: And the reason why he's asking this is it's hard
Speaker 1: to believe he's okay just sitting by considering his role
Speaker 1: in Green Bay, speaking of course about Mike McCarthy, But heck,
Speaker 1: we'll start with you on this one. Do you think
Speaker 1: that's the case or is it basically what we've heard
Speaker 1: from Mike McCarthy saying that it was a part of
Speaker 1: his plan to have Kellen Moore. Look, I might have
Speaker 1: to go with Mike McCarthy and what he said, right,
Speaker 1: he came out and said that he, you know, after
Speaker 1: being in his bunker situation in Wisconsin, he had a
Speaker 1: lot of time to think about how he was going
Speaker 1: to proceed as a head coach, and analytics was going
Speaker 1: to be a part of it, and when he interviewed
Speaker 1: for the job, that he knew that Kellen Moore was
Speaker 1: an up and coming offensive coordinator. Look, I don't believe
Speaker 1: any of that, right, I believe that, yes, he was
Speaker 1: told that Kellen was gonna be the offensive coordinator. Otherwise
Speaker 1: I think that he definitely had a play sheet in
Speaker 1: his hand. So I'm sorry, guys, I just couldn't feed
Speaker 1: you that bull right there to stop my wait, hold up,
Speaker 1: hold up, hold up, So wait, you just did you
Speaker 1: just flip the script? You said that you you think
Speaker 1: McCarthy wasn't would want that. No, I just flipped the script.
Speaker 1: Script script. Any Yeah, I believe that he definitely was
Speaker 1: told that Kelly Moore was going to be a part
Speaker 1: of his staff. And otherwise, I think Mike McCarthy, in
Speaker 1: the history that he's had as as a defense excuse me,
Speaker 1: as a head coach, has been that he's been the
Speaker 1: play calling. That's all we've seen for him from him,
Speaker 1: and especially during the season like this, you know, he
Speaker 1: would definitely have and I believe he has more input,
Speaker 1: But I don't see him saying that I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: relegate that, give up all offensive play calling. So I
Speaker 1: think this is a new wrinkle for him as well. Rob,
Speaker 1: I think that's a heck of a question. Go ahead, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is there what do you think? I'm a conspiracy theorist man,
Speaker 1: So I'm I think that that mister Jones may have
Speaker 1: told him, Hey, this is the one thing that I
Speaker 1: that I will have control over in terms of your staff.
Speaker 1: There's a potential there. I definitely can see your point,
Speaker 1: because I would I would have thought that that coach
Speaker 1: McCarthy would have taken complete control over the offense by
Speaker 1: this point as well, especially with all the resources that
Speaker 1: he has at his disposal on office side the ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah makes sense. I'm gonna say no. I think I
Speaker 1: do think Mike came into this interview situation knowing that
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore was highly regarded as a young assistant and
Speaker 1: so maybe he you know, he knew that that would
Speaker 1: probably help maybe help his cause. But I mean he
Speaker 1: also looked at last year and they were the top
Speaker 1: ranked offense. Now, they didn't always show it, and sometimes
Speaker 1: they had trouble in the red zone. The points didn't
Speaker 1: match the yards necessarily, But Kellen did a nice job
Speaker 1: a year ago, and he did tell us when he
Speaker 1: took the job that, you know, I think he did
Speaker 1: take he took he gave play calling away in Green
Speaker 1: Bay once and then I think he took it back.
Speaker 1: But maybe with a new staff he decided being kind
Speaker 1: of a walk around guy was the best thing anyway
Speaker 1: taking over a new job. And I also think, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got he's coming in with clout with the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's I don't think it would
Speaker 1: be a situation where Jerry would say, well, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna take this, we're gonna give you this job,
Speaker 1: you gotta have this. I think I think Mike probably
Speaker 1: came in with enough cloud to do what he wanted. Basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of I'm kind of there as well. But
Speaker 1: whenever you talk about a guy who has been to
Speaker 1: the mountaintop and has won a Super Bowl title, I mean,
Speaker 1: we had talked about it in the off season as well.
Speaker 1: Whenever Mike McCarthy was coming in, was was Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: going to be a part of this? He was the
Speaker 1: one guy in question where it seemed like he was
Speaker 1: going to stick around. But even then, I think McCarthy
Speaker 1: had an opportunity probably to say I want my own guys,
Speaker 1: I want to run the offense, let me do this,
Speaker 1: let me do that, and it probably would have it
Speaker 1: would have sailed. I think it would have ended up
Speaker 1: working out. But with this being said, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: been a lot of questions on Kellen Moore. There's been
Speaker 1: a lot of questions on McCarthy, especially with their in
Speaker 1: game management. And I heard this on the way in
Speaker 1: today Sean and RJ. We're talking about it on one
Speaker 1: oh five through the Fan. They do great work over there,
Speaker 1: but it is Jason or is Mike McCarthy a better
Speaker 1: in game manager than Jason was, at least through the
Speaker 1: small sample size that you've had throughout this season. Who
Speaker 1: because the fact of the matter is is that was
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things that Jason was was knocked for,
Speaker 1: and now McCarthy's getting nocked for the fact that that's
Speaker 1: even a question. Is a bit concerning, is it not? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Not good. I gotta scratch my head on that one.
Speaker 1: And that's not good. Um to to to date, I
Speaker 1: would have to say I put them on the same
Speaker 1: same pedestal. I think they're on they're on the same
Speaker 1: level right now. Wow, I think if you have your thing,
Speaker 1: you put them. I think that if you put them
Speaker 1: on a scale right now, I think it's probably just
Speaker 1: doing that for a second. Then it's just even and out.
Speaker 1: Because some of the things that Church McCarthy has allowed
Speaker 1: to happen on this on this team this year doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. UM doesn't make sense. Things that decisions that
Speaker 1: Garrett's made in the past, UM doesn't make sense. And
Speaker 1: I think they're on the total opposite end of the spectrum.
Speaker 1: I think Garrett had has been overly conservative and I
Speaker 1: think that McCarthy has been UM over the overly risky
Speaker 1: UM and and so I think they're literally just leveling
Speaker 1: each other out. That's perfect, Isaiah, Yeah, because because that
Speaker 1: was I mean, that was a thought when when you
Speaker 1: asked that question, Kyle, I'm like, wow, there polar opposites
Speaker 1: of one another. And yeah, the polar opposites make it
Speaker 1: even because, like you said, Isaiah, one super conservative, it
Speaker 1: one it's super aggressive. And I found there several times
Speaker 1: last year where I was scratching my head, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to figure out some of the end game decisions.
Speaker 1: And boy, I've been scratching my head a lot this year.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it's uh yeah, And it's not just
Speaker 1: it's not just Mike's decisions in game that you can
Speaker 1: question at certain points, certainly the Washington game. It's it's
Speaker 1: kind of been across the board in terms of being
Speaker 1: more aggressive, you know, defensively, We've talked about it. They
Speaker 1: tried probably to put too much on the plate early
Speaker 1: in terms of scheme, and then they pulled back offensively.
Speaker 1: They're they're they're taking more risks, and certainly on special
Speaker 1: teams they're taking more risk. It's almost, you know, it's
Speaker 1: almost like the previous staff too conservative and then they've
Speaker 1: gone in certain circumstances too far in the other direction.
Speaker 1: Sometimes that can happen with new staffs, and it's great
Speaker 1: when it works, and when it doesn't work, that's that's
Speaker 1: when we have these types of discussions, especially when you're
Speaker 1: three and eight. But Rob, like, just so everybody knows,
Speaker 1: and I know you guys already know this. Your job
Speaker 1: as a head coach is to coach the coaches. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's your job as a head coach. So whatever whatever
Speaker 1: happens on the field and those three phases of the
Speaker 1: game offers defense special teams, that's on you. Because even
Speaker 1: though that you might not have called it, you allowed it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if you allowed it, you might as well have
Speaker 1: called it. So his job is to monitor the activity,
Speaker 1: monitor the calls, monitor the schemes of these three coordinators,
Speaker 1: and say yay or nay on what you're allowing them
Speaker 1: to do. So it all falls back on him as
Speaker 1: a head coach because he's supposed to manage them and
Speaker 1: they supposed to manage to players. He is definitely ultimately
Speaker 1: responsible and he knows that because I mean, he's the
Speaker 1: only guy on staff who's the record is attached to
Speaker 1: him so um and and he you know what, he
Speaker 1: doubled down on that fake punt just like two or
Speaker 1: three times, like we had a good look. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, he said, you can't think negatively in
Speaker 1: those situations. But ultimately that's what happened that cost you
Speaker 1: the football game, or at least prevented you from having
Speaker 1: a chance in the final half of that quarter. It
Speaker 1: is a lot, I mean, and it kind of goes
Speaker 1: back to that that veto power that we talked about
Speaker 1: yesterday and how Mike McCarthy and in the end, if
Speaker 1: a play call comes on over the headset like that
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, well, maybe we shouldn't run that,
Speaker 1: it's not a maybe, it's a hey, let's not run that,
Speaker 1: Let's not do that. Let's let's let's punt this football away.
Speaker 1: Let's not try and do something crazy here. But like
Speaker 1: you said, he doubled down on it. And now I
Speaker 1: kind of respect him for it. But also I see
Speaker 1: where you're coming from, Isaiah. Whenever it talks about whenever
Speaker 1: you're talking about the worry of in game management, the
Speaker 1: fact that he did double down on it, that is
Speaker 1: a bit of a concern. Even though I think he
Speaker 1: was just trying not to throw his coaches under the
Speaker 1: bus at that point, or trying to throw anybody under
Speaker 1: the bus. Now, this is another question that came from
Speaker 1: Ismail on Twitter and he said, will we see more
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup? And the reason I want to ask this
Speaker 1: is because his targets just aren't there. I mean haven't
Speaker 1: been since Dak Prescott was really taken out in Week five.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been the same Michael Gallup. But this is
Speaker 1: a guy who you really needed to step up and
Speaker 1: be either your number two receiver or even your number one,
Speaker 1: and he's instead slotted back into number four right now,
Speaker 1: behind even Dalton Schultz at the moment. Yeah, the situation
Speaker 1: has kind of penalized Michael Gallup with the offensive line
Speaker 1: all of it, the quarterback. Before the season, we're talking
Speaker 1: about three thousand yard receivers and we're nowhere close to
Speaker 1: You were nowhere close to that. And so I think,
Speaker 1: you know, when you talk about Michael Gallup and just
Speaker 1: what he had to do this year, I think even
Speaker 1: everybody was even saying, ceedee lamb, Michael Gallup. Maybe you can,
Speaker 1: you know, look at moving Amark Cooper, which his contract
Speaker 1: makes it literally impossible at this point. But still, you know,
Speaker 1: you felt as though going into the season you were
Speaker 1: going to get major contributions and you did. You said it,
Speaker 1: Kyle before the Dack injury, he was a viable option
Speaker 1: in our offense and made these made it our offense function. Well,
Speaker 1: right now, he just you know, he's out there pretty
Speaker 1: much as just a decoy, uh, you know, doing a
Speaker 1: really good job at blocking things like that, but he's
Speaker 1: not getting an opportunity to show his playmaking abilities. And
Speaker 1: when he has, he also has had some drops too,
Speaker 1: So you got to include that. You know, those are
Speaker 1: good points. Heck, yeah, those are good points. Heck. I mean,
Speaker 1: he has the opportunity he has had, um he has
Speaker 1: to take advantage of on I mean, all those opportunities
Speaker 1: play a big role and a huge huge part in
Speaker 1: whether or not any Dalton believes in him, right, whether
Speaker 1: any Dalands builds a symmetry with him. Right. So when
Speaker 1: he actually does have our opportunities to sit back there
Speaker 1: and throw the ball without pressure and he delivers the
Speaker 1: ball on point if the guys don't catch the ball
Speaker 1: in his head, regardless off that guy was dependable to
Speaker 1: Dak he's not dependable to me, right, So you lose
Speaker 1: a little bit of confidence in that player in regards
Speaker 1: to you as a play callers. As you know, the
Speaker 1: one at the helm the quarterback position. So when you're
Speaker 1: playing quarterback position, you have your guys. It's not something
Speaker 1: that's necessarily intentional. It's just something that happens. Right. You
Speaker 1: have chemistry, you have some symmetry with guys that just natural.
Speaker 1: Right when I throw the ball, he's where I want
Speaker 1: him to be. He breaks, his body language, how he
Speaker 1: breaks and he makes his cuts, all those things they
Speaker 1: work for me, right, They work for me. And it's
Speaker 1: just and and he's there when I need him right
Speaker 1: and when whenever he's there, he makes the play. I
Speaker 1: could depend on that. So as we talked about in
Speaker 1: the pregame show the other day, Kyle, you know that's
Speaker 1: it's it's my night, night Blaker, right, my safety like here, right,
Speaker 1: So it's somethingbody that's dependable or somebody that I always
Speaker 1: looked for and lean lean on when I'm in certain situations.
Speaker 1: And obviously Amari Cooper has been consistent through and through
Speaker 1: regardless of who's that the quarterback position. So that's why
Speaker 1: he gets that paycheck. But when it comes to the
Speaker 1: number two and number three guys, it has to be
Speaker 1: a field thing. It has to be a symmetry thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys are right about the drops. I think he
Speaker 1: had two drops against Minnesota, yep, And and you know what,
Speaker 1: his drops last year there were really the only thing
Speaker 1: holding him back. He was kind of near the top
Speaker 1: of the league and drops last year. He's been better
Speaker 1: with that overall this year. But I just did a
Speaker 1: quick aggy math, So this was probably wrong of the
Speaker 1: of the number of targets for Gallup and CD over
Speaker 1: the last in the games that Dak's been out the
Speaker 1: full game. So I think it's that six games now
Speaker 1: and it's basically even. It's like forty one for Mike
Speaker 1: and forty for CD. So you know, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of it's probably just a product of not having
Speaker 1: Dak the line. H're you're seeing more underneath stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz has kind of emerged as like you, like
Speaker 1: you said, iaid kind of that nightnight blanket. So um,
Speaker 1: it's just hard to know. I think to Heckma's point,
Speaker 1: I think if if Dak had been healthy in the
Speaker 1: line had been healthy, I don't know if they would
Speaker 1: have three thousand yard receivers, but the production for everybody
Speaker 1: but would have been way up because you know, Ceds
Speaker 1: CD's numbers really haven't been great either, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, he had a great catch against Minnesota, but um,
Speaker 1: you know he's at yeah it missopportunities twenty one yards
Speaker 1: three to four seventy one against Pittsburgh. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the offense just has been out of sync and the
Speaker 1: receivers have suffered from it. Well, I mean, and even
Speaker 1: you look at Cede Lamb and Michael Gallups. Ceedie Lamb
Speaker 1: fifty three receptions to Michael Gallups thirty seven. Then you
Speaker 1: got CD with six hundred and fifty yards Michael Gallups
Speaker 1: five thirty eight, and CD has four touchdowns while Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup only has the one. So I mean, right now,
Speaker 1: it looks as if Gallup is still the deep threat.
Speaker 1: I mean, fourteen and a half yards per reception. That's
Speaker 1: more than anybody else on the team at the moment.
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz underneath is just under nine just over nine
Speaker 1: yards per reception, So he is that underneath safety blanket.
Speaker 1: Shultz is the tight end, and you could say the
Speaker 1: same thing about a ton of quarterbacks. I mean, look
Speaker 1: at when the Cowboys had Tony Romo takeover. Who was
Speaker 1: his safety blanket? It was Jason Witt, And so you
Speaker 1: have that tied end, that quarterback to kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But Michael Gallop is a deep threat. That's the kind
Speaker 1: of receiver that he is, and that's kind of where
Speaker 1: the suffering has come from. A wide receiver's numbers standpoint
Speaker 1: is you haven't had time to throw the football because
Speaker 1: the offense is out of sync. And I think that's
Speaker 1: one of the bigg reasons why Gallup has just not
Speaker 1: had the same sort of success. All right, let's take
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Speaker 1: and heck My Harrison. I got one final question for
Speaker 1: you guys. I'm gonna start off with Zaia on this
Speaker 1: one because I just think that would be fun. So
Speaker 1: this comes from Cowboys Coffee Talk and they've asked a
Speaker 1: couple of questions lately and they've been some pretty good ones.
Speaker 1: But this one has to do with the Philadelphia Eagles,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of targeting not only Eagles fans, but
Speaker 1: it's targeting kind of national media at the same time.
Speaker 1: And it says, why is Dak a fourth round pick
Speaker 1: who overachieved seemingly held to a higher standard than a
Speaker 1: guy drafted in the second overall pick slot who was
Speaker 1: traded up for signed long term and whose team is
Speaker 1: six and one and won a Super Bowl without him,
Speaker 1: and also not to mention that he has regressed? Is
Speaker 1: it a refusal to admit being wrong or is it
Speaker 1: because he is a cowboy. And this is of course
Speaker 1: talking about Carson Wentz, the quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles. Isaiah,
Speaker 1: what say you, sir? That's a heck of a question.
Speaker 1: And I really don't have a clear understanding. I only
Speaker 1: speak from to my personal opinion that I used to
Speaker 1: put wins in Dak on the same level. After this year,
Speaker 1: after this year, my eyes have opened. I've been awaken.
Speaker 1: I've been awaken and uh and I believe that Dak
Speaker 1: is substantially more important to his to his team than
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. I was one of those people that was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Wentz got him all the way to the playoffs and
Speaker 1: then Folds took over. I was one of those guys.
Speaker 1: But now having a look at it, Wentz doesn't have
Speaker 1: no dog in him. He ain't got no dog in him.
Speaker 1: And um and I can't respect anybody who doesn't have
Speaker 1: dog in him. I don't care how it's successful of
Speaker 1: a history they have. UM. I respect Dak, I respect
Speaker 1: his fight, I respect his leadership. Now um that the
Speaker 1: role that he had on his team. I was unaware
Speaker 1: of the impact that he had on his team prior
Speaker 1: to this season. Um, so my my perception has now changed,
Speaker 1: and I don't know why they would even be in
Speaker 1: the same conversation anymore. So should should Dad get more
Speaker 1: money than Wentz? Heck to the Yeah. I know that
Speaker 1: wasn't part of the question, but I'm throwing it in
Speaker 1: there anyway, love it. It's fine with me. Heck heck
Speaker 1: heck to They Yeah, go with that. So oh man,
Speaker 1: I never thought. I never thought that Dak should have
Speaker 1: been in the same conversation with Wins. I don't think
Speaker 1: you should have been in the same conversation with Golf.
Speaker 1: I've said this for a long time that Dak has
Speaker 1: been you know, the prognosticators or draft guys who had
Speaker 1: drafted this guy had him pegged as affordable around guy,
Speaker 1: we're wrong about him. I think his talent, his leadership ability,
Speaker 1: all of those things. He's a ball, he's a gamer,
Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy that you want on your team,
Speaker 1: and he's just gonna get better. It sucks that he
Speaker 1: got hurt this year, but it's I think what it is,
Speaker 1: it's giving cowboy fans and everyone around an opportunity to
Speaker 1: see what you're missing. And maybe it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: backwards to say that, you know, he's probably advanced his
Speaker 1: career or how you think of him more in an
Speaker 1: injury than being on the field. But I think people
Speaker 1: will agree with that because he is a missing piece
Speaker 1: right now and you're seeing your offense just have no synergy,
Speaker 1: like all rhythm to what they want to do. So
Speaker 1: you know, Dak Dak is definitely the future for the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. And Carson Wentz he sucks and I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the best part of twenty twenty. It
Speaker 1: really is. No, it's the best part of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: because he would be heartbreaking for me for us to
Speaker 1: have as bad as season as we're having, and Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz would be bawling. So I'm just so happy to
Speaker 1: see him doing so bad and he's terrible. They need
Speaker 1: to play Jalen hit They need to play Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: Hurts yip. Carson Wentz is a nice guy. It would
Speaker 1: be a mean. Oh. I think he's gonna be traded
Speaker 1: after the season, That's what I think. It's it's rough
Speaker 1: there right now, Rob. I it's who he plays for.
Speaker 1: It's who Dak Prescott plays for. Without question, how many
Speaker 1: how many quarterbacks do the Eagles have in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame? Is it? I guess maybe it's one? Is
Speaker 1: it Sonny Jorgenson's It's not Captain America? And it's not
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman, who's a first ballot Hall of Famer and
Speaker 1: between them won five Super Bowls. Like that's that's what
Speaker 1: it is. It's what It's what Tony Romo faced, and
Speaker 1: it's what Dak Prescott faces. And and you know, and
Speaker 1: I don't feel sorry for him in terms of the criticism.
Speaker 1: They're making a lot of money, they're they're high profile guys,
Speaker 1: and and uh, it's it's a great job to have,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot that comes with it. And and
Speaker 1: just you know, if you play for the Cowboys, you're
Speaker 1: going to be in more of a spotlight, especially if
Speaker 1: you played that position. Uh, you are going to be
Speaker 1: so scrutinized, Isaiah because um, you know, as time passes
Speaker 1: more and more, it's like, you know, Troikman never had
Speaker 1: a misread, never threw an incompletion, you know, and and
Speaker 1: when and when Dak does that, fans see that stuff
Speaker 1: and they think that doesn't happen ever by anybody that
Speaker 1: ever played the position for the Cowboys. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's all about who you play for out there. He
Speaker 1: was completion percentage bottom of that year, Mountain. I should
Speaker 1: just go back, so back. So it's safe to say,
Speaker 1: you guys don't want to trade Dak Prescott and the
Speaker 1: fourth overall pick to the New York Jets and go
Speaker 1: get Trevor Lawrence. You don't. You don't think that's gonna
Speaker 1: You don't think that's a possibility come this offseason. Nobody else,
Speaker 1: somebody else can have White Jesus. Okay, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to throw that out there. By the way, Chris is
Speaker 1: doing some outstanding work in the back again, he just
Speaker 1: did some research. This is this is not aggy map.
Speaker 1: This is this is top notch math from Chris Beam.
Speaker 1: But he comes up and he says that Carson Wentz,
Speaker 1: should he be traded by the Philadelphia Eagles, would cost
Speaker 1: Philadelphia fifty nine million against the cab next year. So
Speaker 1: they're kind of stuck whenever it comes to it to
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. So that's kind of interesting whenever good it
Speaker 1: comes to that situation. Yeah, I know, he Heckmas just
Speaker 1: chilling on that that dead cap and he's excited about
Speaker 1: it up there in the top right here. Hey, Kyle,
Speaker 1: will somebody Hey, but Kyle, will they be open for
Speaker 1: somebody trading for Jalen Hurts. No, I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: keep him. I think they'll keep him around. Does that answer?
Speaker 1: I think Peterson said this week that they working to
Speaker 1: make a change at this point. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he ruled it out. So may Jalen Hurts might be
Speaker 1: Taysom heel because he's they're starting to work him in
Speaker 1: more and more. Yeah. Yeah, well, and it's not gonna
Speaker 1: take that long for him to take over. I don't
Speaker 1: think whenever the time comes for that, but that's gonna
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