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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Ron DeSantis is Trump has to

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Speaker 1: attend the GOP debate to quote unquote earn it. Good luck,

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Speaker 1: Ron de Santis. We have such a great show for

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Speaker 1: you today. Senator and Reverend Rafael Warnock tells us about

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Speaker 1: the struggle to reaffirm voting rights and why he's not

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Speaker 1: giving up on fighting for it. Then we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: CNN anchor Jake Tapper about his new book, All the

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Speaker 1: Demons Are Here and his recent interview with Governor Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: But first we have Washington Post columnist George Conway. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Fast Politics, George Conway. Mind Eric, So, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about all of what's happening right now. The Michigan women.

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Speaker 1: That was kind of a surprise, yet.

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Speaker 2: The know there were rumbling from Michigan earlier. The Attorney

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Speaker 2: General there had indicated that she had referred the whole

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Speaker 2: thing to the Justice Department. Really, you're back from the

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Speaker 2: Justice departments that she said several months ago that she

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Speaker 2: was going to do her own investigation, and she did,

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Speaker 2: and there she is. She should be pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: To see the framing of it, and you see people

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Speaker 1: from the alt right, people like Pizzagate Jack talking about

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Speaker 1: how they're just prosecuting them for supporting Trump. Explain to

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Speaker 1: us what the fake elector's case is.

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Speaker 2: It's a simple case. Look, if you submit a false

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Speaker 2: application to the government for anything, you're a false piece

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Speaker 2: of paper to get I don't know, welfare benefits, a

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Speaker 2: driver's license, cash grants, or to work, register to vote.

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Speaker 2: You submit false paperwork to the government. There any number

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Speaker 2: of statutes that you can be sent to jail for violing.

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Speaker 2: And that's basically what this is about. It's basically of

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Speaker 2: attempt of forged documents to overturn the presidential elections state

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Speaker 2: of Michigan. And the documents were sworn, they were false,

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Speaker 2: they were submitted to the Commerce Senate, and if you

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Speaker 2: faical work, we're violating all sorts of laws. But they did.

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Speaker 2: It's not that hard and it's sort of amazing that

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Speaker 2: against these individuals who clearly signed paperwork that was just false.

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Speaker 2: In the particular case of Michigan, they didn't put any

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Speaker 2: in cautionary language saying that, oh, this is the contingency

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Speaker 2: the state, which is false because they were never certified

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Speaker 2: as such. And then there was also the fact that

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Speaker 2: they said that they were meeting at the state capital

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Speaker 2: and they didn't meet in the Republican headquarters. And I

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Speaker 2: but they met at Republican headquarters because they were not

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Speaker 2: the official electors. And it's really amazing that some of

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Speaker 2: these people were pretty sophisticated, including some of these little lawyers,

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Speaker 2: actually signed this false documentation. It was actually a one

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Speaker 2: the Publican party official who said, oh, I talked to

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Speaker 2: a lawyer. This isn't a good idea because these statements

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Speaker 2: are false. These fake electors. They were also told that

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Speaker 2: might hide your cell phone, don't bring yourself here, don't

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Speaker 2: tell anybody. Secrecy and the secrecy is reflects that date

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Speaker 2: because you don't conceal things that you are doing if

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Speaker 1: That should be pretty simple case in the January sixth case.

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Speaker 1: In that sort of world, this is the only other

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Speaker 2: We're going to see a whole bunch of people. I

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Speaker 2: think it's yours. And then we're going to see with

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Speaker 2: Jack Smith indicts this week, because then we will hear

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Speaker 1: What do you think that Jack Smith's charges will be?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think we already heard some reporting.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's based upon people down in Florida who

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Speaker 2: It's going to be conspiracy to for the United States.

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Speaker 2: But it's been predicting for our long time, which essentially

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Speaker 2: If you're taking away people that you're right, it's a

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Speaker 2: that's statute. So it's pretty straight. Or it seems like

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Speaker 2: what we're hearing. But we'll see, we'll see, you know,

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Speaker 2: we'll see if it's a big case of small cases,

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Speaker 1: You think that we're going to see that case be

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Speaker 2: Florida again, right, I think that case is overwhelmingly likely

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Speaker 2: would be the principal defense clearly, that's why he released

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Speaker 1: And if it's in the district and not in Florida,

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Speaker 2: There's no venue this. This will have to be an

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Speaker 2: actually resental false electures. So you couldn't bring little federal

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Speaker 1: Well and they're not judge a Leen Canon.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever feel like when we look at all

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Speaker 1: Like certainly I think about like smart people we know,

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Speaker 2: Actually, I'm going to take issue there. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm thinking of that piece of Cabinaugh and

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Speaker 2: About virginiual re sects Trump stuff. I mean, the guy

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Speaker 2: that sequence of ruling before she based. She tried to

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Speaker 2: got reversed handly by a considerative panel of the Letting Circuit.

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Speaker 2: The judge, the chief judge of the circuit, who was

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Speaker 2: on Trump short list in twenty seventeen, and he just

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Speaker 2: than that, he's been getting getting its heady very consistently

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Speaker 2: by the courts, by judges of all political persuasions, including

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Speaker 1: Do you think, though, that it's wrong that this didn't

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Speaker 1: happen sooner? I mean, it was clear in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean I think all there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of things that it should have viewed more quickly

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Speaker 1: Do you think he'll still be the nominee?

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course, there's no all.

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Speaker 1: Periods because there's just no way that the base would

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Speaker 3: Now they're not.

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Speaker 1: And to them, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: None of the best modest to them.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Trump is trained by all of these

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have any moral compunctions. He doesn't have any

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Speaker 2: it doesn't he can't reform his own conduct.

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Speaker 1: For example, I'm just thinking about this idea of not

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Speaker 1: So a jury Trump owes Egene five million dollars defamation.

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Speaker 1: Then he cannot stop defaming her, and now Robbie's going

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Speaker 2: judgement Thedora resolves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't you find it a little bit strange

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Speaker 1: that he can't just keep his mouth shut because of

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Speaker 1: the cash component.

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Speaker 2: He looks he is very strange. I mean, it's mental ill.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's always beenamentally ill. He's in mentally ill

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Speaker 1: You think that one of those things that helps Trump

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, George Conway. Senator Raphael Warnock represents

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Speaker 1: Georgia and the United States Senate. Welcome to fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: Reverend Warnock. You're Senator Warnock, but you're also Reverend Warnock.

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Speaker 3: Senator, Reverend reverend. Senator just called you a time for lunch.

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Speaker 1: I interviewed you before you won your Senate post. You

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Martin Lither King. Is Martin Luther

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Speaker 3: Actually the church was founded in eighteen eighty six. It's

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Speaker 1: Actually was getting around to talking to you about voting

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I was proud to reintroduce alongside my colleagues, the

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Speaker 3: and that's why I introduced the Freedom to Vote Act.

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Speaker 3: Our democracy is in a nine to one one state

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Speaker 1: Why is it so hard for Congress to pass this

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Speaker 1: but also they were able you guys were not them.

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Speaker 3: Well, what we have seen over the last few years especially,

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Speaker 3: And your question is it's really a good one? You say, well,

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Speaker 3: You know. I was John Lewis's pastor. He had no

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. It does seem like to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is a sea change. And this

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Speaker 1: My grandfather, Howard Fast, who was very involved in Peak

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you. They know exactly what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I've had Republicans in my state, even as

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Speaker 3: hay of the fact that I won. Well, the fact

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Speaker 3: that people overcame barriers doesn't mean the barriers doesn't exist.

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Speaker 3: It just means that the people refuse to have their

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Speaker 3: voices silence. The truth is, when I entered the runoff

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Speaker 3: this last time, I won, and I won five times

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Speaker 3: in Georgia.

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Speaker 1: It's so crazy that you had to run five times.

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Speaker 3: When I entered the runoff this last time, First of all,

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Speaker 3: they cut the runoff in half because they studied my

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Speaker 3: victory and they tried to change the playing field. Then

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Speaker 3: as we entered the runoff, the Secretary of the State

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Speaker 3: and others announced that there would be no Saturday voting

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Speaker 3: the first weekend of the runoffs. And I think there

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Speaker 3: are only a couple of weekends when people could vote.

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Speaker 3: There would be no Saturday voting the first weekend of

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Speaker 3: the runoff. And he and others said, because of a

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Speaker 3: state law that was already on the books. And they said,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm sorry, it's just the plain letter of

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Speaker 3: the law. If you could vote, if we could let

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Speaker 3: you vote, we would, but it's the letter of the law.

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Speaker 3: And so they said, I'm sorry, our hands are tied.

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Speaker 3: So I decided to do them in favor. I took

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Speaker 3: them to court and I untied their hands. And then

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Speaker 3: those who claimed that their hands were tied then showed

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Speaker 3: us their hands. Because after the court's ruled in our

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Speaker 3: favor and said yes, you can vote on the first

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Speaker 3: weekend of the runoff, those who said their hands were

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Speaker 3: tied then showed their hands by appealing the ruling. Think

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Speaker 3: about that, as we're enterating a runoff election. The Secretary

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Speaker 3: of State, who should be busy trying to facilitate the

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Speaker 3: voting of the citizens of Georgia, was busy, along with

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Speaker 3: other Republican operatives, trying to stop people from voting. They

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Speaker 3: appealed the ruling we want again, and then they appealed

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Speaker 3: it again, asking for emergency relief, relief from what the

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Speaker 3: voices of ordinary people, working class people who want to

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Speaker 3: be able to vote on the weekend so that they

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Speaker 3: don't actually lose time at work in order to exercise

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Speaker 3: their franchise. Students who were home for the weekend, who

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Speaker 3: were citizens of Georgia and wanted to be able to

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Speaker 3: vote as we went into that Thanksgiving weekend? Are those

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Speaker 3: the people they were asking for emergency relief from. We

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Speaker 3: had to win in court and then win two appeals

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Speaker 3: just so the people of Georgia could vote. About one

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand people voted that first Saturday, which, by the way,

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Speaker 3: is around the margin of mind victory. This is how

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Speaker 3: voter suppression works. It's not huge margins. It's about mitigating

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Speaker 3: people's voices. It's about shaving a little bit of people's

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Speaker 3: voting strength a little here, a little bit, and after

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Speaker 3: a while, you know, what is the difference in an election?

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Speaker 3: What do we hear in Georgia? Can you find me?

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Speaker 3: Somebody said about eleven thousand votes, that the margins and

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Speaker 3: when the margins are closed especially voter suppression matters. What

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Speaker 3: this Freedom of Vote Act will do is it will

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Speaker 3: provide some federal guidelines, really just the baseline. The states

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Speaker 3: will still be very much in charge of their elections,

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Speaker 3: but it will say here are certain just basic standards

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Speaker 3: that we will have in this country. That in this country,

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Speaker 3: election day will be a federal holiday so that working

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Speaker 3: class people are not unfairly disadvantage. We will have automatic registration,

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Speaker 3: people will be able to vote on the weekends. These

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Speaker 3: are just basic kinds of standards. We won't allow partisan

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Speaker 3: actors to dip in and rob local boards of elections

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Speaker 3: of their ability to administer the election. These are the

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Speaker 3: kinds of things that make basic sense, and they are

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Speaker 3: about ensuring that every eligible American can vote and the

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Speaker 3: voices that their voice can be heard in our democracy.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about insulin. You have

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Speaker 1: become a champion for thirty five dollars insulin.

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Speaker 3: Talk to us about that insulin should not be expensive.

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Speaker 3: Here is a drug that was invented one hundred years ago.

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Speaker 3: When it was invented, the patent was sold for one dollar.

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Speaker 3: And what we have witnessed in recent years especially is

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Speaker 3: price couching by big pharma. Literally, people have not been

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Speaker 3: able to afford insulin, which again speaks to the issue

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Speaker 3: that we're talking about. Primarily, the people's voices are being

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Speaker 3: squeezed out of their democracy, and their voices are being

509
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Speaker 3: flooded by dark money from big pharma, in this instance,

510
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Speaker 3: from the big oil and gas corporations, which is why

511
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Speaker 3: we can't get the movement we need on climate change.

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Speaker 3: That's the state of affairs, That's why we find ourselves here.

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Speaker 3: It is at root of democracy problem. But thankfully we

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Speaker 3: were able to get progress on the question around insulin,

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Speaker 3: and I introduced to bill last Congress at cap the

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Speaker 3: cost of insulin to no more than thirty five dollars

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Speaker 3: of out of pocket costs. I was trying to get

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Speaker 3: it for everybody, but we did manage to get it

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Speaker 3: for seniors on Medicare and they are enjoying that benefit

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Speaker 3: right now. And then this Congress, I reintroduced the bill,

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Speaker 3: the Affordable Insulin Now Bill, with my Republican friend and

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Speaker 3: colleague John Kennedy out of Louisiana. And why has he

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Speaker 3: joined me in his effort Because he's got more diabetics

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Speaker 3: in Louisiana than we have in Georgia. This is not

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Speaker 3: a partisan issue. Some twenty states have already capped the

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Speaker 3: cost of insulin, many of the red states, like Alabama,

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Speaker 3: like Oklahoma, like Utah, and I'm hopeful that we will

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Speaker 3: get insulin cap for people with insurance or people with

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Speaker 3: no insurance at all, that we will get this done

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Speaker 3: very soon. And I think this will make a difference.

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Speaker 3: Number one for the people who need insulin, because when

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Speaker 3: you need insulin, you need insulin. You shouldn't be rationing insulin.

533
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Speaker 3: It literally can be deadly. And then number two, managing

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Speaker 3: diabetes is a win for our total healthcare system. One

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Speaker 3: dollar out of four dollars in our healthcare system is

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Speaker 3: spent on people with diabetes. So when you talk about diabetes,

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Speaker 3: you're talking about the consequences, the human consequences and the

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Speaker 3: costs of amputations of having to go on dialysis because

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Speaker 3: of kidney disease, and the number one cause of blindness.

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Speaker 3: In real sense, it's a point of entry into the

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Speaker 3: larger landscape of our healthcare system, which is why I'm

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Speaker 3: so narrowly focused on this issue, even as we address

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Speaker 3: the issues of the cost of prescription drugs more generally.

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Speaker 1: I think that it seems like such an important thing,

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Speaker 1: and it's just so crazy that it's so hard to

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Speaker 1: do this. John Kennedy is No one is accusing that

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Speaker 1: man of being a liberal, though he used to be

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Speaker 1: a Democrat right way back.

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Speaker 3: I got friends with whom I disagreed.

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Speaker 1: Right, But I'm curious. So that's a real like. You

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Speaker 1: two are very much on different sides of the partisan divide.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that means you'll be able to

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Speaker 1: get it through the bonkers GOP house.

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Speaker 3: I think that we need the people who are listening

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Speaker 3: to me to call your congress person, to call your

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Speaker 3: senator and tell them to get this done. Listen, everybody

557
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Speaker 3: knows somebody with diabetes. This will make a difference in

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Speaker 3: the lives of ordinary people. It's not a partisan issue.

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Speaker 3: It's a health care issue. People ask, can we afford it? Yes,

560
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Speaker 3: this is what we can afford. We can't afford to

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Speaker 3: not do it. Not doing it would be far more expensive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. Thank you so much, Senator

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Speaker 1: Warno for joining us. Hi, it's Molly and I am

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Speaker 1: CNN and author of All the Demons Are Here. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics, Jake Tapper.

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Speaker 4: It's so great to be here. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So we are talking about your books, but your most

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Speaker 1: recent book, I want to do two seconds on this.

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Speaker 1: It's called All the Demons Are Here. It's a trilogy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't have to read the previous two. I

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Speaker 4: write them as standalones. But yes, it's the third and

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Speaker 4: the series about the Martyr family, the fictitious Martyr Family.

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Speaker 4: The first book takes place during the Joe McCarthy era

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Speaker 4: in nineteen fifties Washington, and the stars of that book

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Speaker 4: are Congressman Charlie Martyr from New York and his zoologist

587
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Speaker 4: wife Margaret. The second book has Charlie and Margaret out

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Speaker 4: in LA investigating the rat pack. And the third book

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Speaker 4: is their kids, and that's all the demons are here.

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Speaker 4: It's Ike and a wall Marine and Lucy, a twenty

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Speaker 4: two year old aspiring journalist in Washington, d C. And

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Speaker 4: it's their adventures in nineteen seventy seven America.

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Speaker 1: So funny. I was born in nineteen seventy eight, and

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Speaker 1: my parents had this car with this enormous gas tank.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why the seventies are just so stuck

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Speaker 1: in my head.

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Speaker 4: It's a weird time. I was eight in nineteen seventy seven,

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Speaker 4: so I don't really remember much. I remember gas lines,

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Speaker 4: and I remember Elves Steine and Go. But when I

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Speaker 4: went to do this book, which you know, since the

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Speaker 4: books take place in the fifties and sixties the previous two,

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Speaker 4: I thought, Okay, the seventies now, and I found this

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Speaker 4: year in nineteen seventy seven, where so many bizarre things happen. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: Jimmy Carter's inaugurated, but Evil can Eevil stunt, Daredevil and

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Speaker 4: Superstar literally jumps over sharks. This is months before Fox.

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Speaker 4: He does Elvis Dies Studio fifty four opens. This is

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Speaker 4: a New York City blackout. Son of Sam murders take place,

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Speaker 4: the lives of tabloid journalism because of Son of Sam

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Speaker 4: in New York City takes place in New York post

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Speaker 4: Horizons and so many other weird things. The cult membership

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Speaker 4: is rising, UFO sightings throughout the country, and so it

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Speaker 4: was really fun, even though I lived through this era,

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Speaker 4: because I didn't remember much of it to write about

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Speaker 4: this time, which was really kind of an underrated, bizarre

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Speaker 4: period in our nation's history.

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Speaker 1: What are your sort of thriller writer influences?

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Speaker 4: Well, there are a lot, because there are a lot

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Speaker 4: of great ones and a lot from whom I admire

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Speaker 4: different parts. I'm a Gillian Flynn is a hero of

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Speaker 4: She's just amazing, and you know, obviously David Baldacci and

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Speaker 4: Harlan Coben. James Patterson's career is unbelievable. There are just

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Speaker 4: there really are so many. Michael Connolly, Scott Tureau. I'm

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Speaker 4: a big reader of thrillers, and so it's humbling to

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Speaker 4: try to join this elite club.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you are? More sort of literary influences

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Speaker 1: because you write incredibly well and oh.

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Speaker 4: You're so crying.

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Speaker 1: It's true. I mean no, and it's funny because it's

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Speaker 1: like this is a very boring topic, so our listeners

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Speaker 1: can tune out. But I believe this truly, Like there

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Speaker 1: just isn't a ton of focus on pros in what

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Speaker 1: we do political journalism, which is fine. You know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't care, but you know, when you

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Speaker 1: have really good pros, it does really stand out.

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Speaker 4: Well, it is, I mean, it's fun. As a journalist

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Speaker 4: you kind of like are influenced to write in not

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Speaker 4: a writer like you that gets to have more fun.

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Speaker 4: But like you know, C and N writers or whatever,

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Speaker 4: we tend to be more straight, more like the asseach.

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Speaker 1: As I say to whenever I have a straight journalist

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Speaker 1: on here and try to bait them into giving their opinion,

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Speaker 1: I say, like on the opinion side, you know, I

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Speaker 1: have a lot more space.

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Speaker 4: But yes, but also, you know, writing for even if

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Speaker 4: you're writing a straight up news story for Vanity Fair,

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Speaker 4: Rolling Stone or someplace like that Slate, you can have

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Speaker 4: more fun. And that was in you know, earlier in

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Speaker 4: my career when I wrote for Salon, and I would

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Speaker 4: when I did more freelance stuff eating you know, even

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Speaker 4: for the Weekly Standard or whomever that. You know, it's

651
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Speaker 4: more enjoyable to have that kind of freedom. So exercising

652
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Speaker 4: those muscles as a fiction writer is enjoyable. You know,

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Speaker 4: Matt clam is a good friend of mine. I think

654
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Speaker 4: you know Mary, Yeah, yeah, I love Matt and he's

655
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Speaker 4: obviously in the influence. He's also an editor of mine.

656
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 4: I hire him to all my books and then but

657
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 4: you know, in terms of like people, I read a lot.

658
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Speaker 4: Like I said, Gillian Flynn, I think is a beautiful writer.

659
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Speaker 4: I really was a or am a big fan of

660
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Speaker 4: Pete Dexter, the writer. He wrote Paris Troud, he wrote

661
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Speaker 4: The Paper Boy. I just think his his pros are beautiful.

662
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Speaker 4: Richard Price is another one who he's ever written.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you and I are both power Twitter now

664
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Speaker 1: threads users.

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Speaker 4: I'm on everything now me too, me too. If I

666
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Speaker 4: have something, I just like, okay, and here's what I'm doing,

667
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Speaker 4: whether it's a book promotion or an observation or a

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Speaker 4: nice photo of you know, I was in South Carolinia's Gename.

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Speaker 4: I took a picture of McCary Sellers with his adorable

670
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Speaker 4: little kids. Then I'm like, okay, here it is and

671
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Speaker 4: I go Twitter, Blue sky Red, personal Facebook, professional Facebook, Instagram,

672
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 4: if it's worth it, TikTok. I mean, it's just like it.

673
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Speaker 4: It's like a full time job because there's so many

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Speaker 4: different places and they're all they're all so different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bacari sellers twins are really cute, which but let

676
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Speaker 1: me ask you, it's funny because it's like, actually really

677
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Speaker 1: love to do these social media sites because I really

678
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Speaker 1: like interacting with people. I really like reading what I mean.

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Speaker 1: For example, for me, one of the most useful things

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Speaker 1: about all of this is like you tweet something or

681
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: you read something a story, and I guess Twitter doesn't

682
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: have us anymore, but you could read a story and

683
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: then see what everyone you follow. A lot of people

684
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Speaker 1: are very smart, many of whom are smarter than I am.

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Speaker 1: Think of a story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, including smart regular folk out there who aren't in

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Speaker 4: the media or political world. And that was one of

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Speaker 4: the great joys of Twitter, and that I find has

689
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Speaker 4: pretty much gone.

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Speaker 1: You can't find those people.

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Speaker 4: And just the way that threads exist, I don't even

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Speaker 4: I mean, threads is fine, but I can't find people

693
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Speaker 4: and it's you know, it's just strange. Also, like just

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Speaker 4: because I'm following somebody on Instagram doesn't mean I want

695
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Speaker 4: to follow them on threads. Instagram is a very visual

696
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: is a very visual medium, and Threads is the opposite

697
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 4: and very They're very different. So I don't know. Look,

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Speaker 4: I remember, I'm old enough to remember when the Internet

699
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Speaker 4: was still relatively new and comment sections of a blog

700
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Speaker 4: could be a joyous place. I remember I had a

701
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Speaker 4: blog at ABC News. It was very experimental for ABC

702
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Speaker 4: to do this, but I had a blog. It's ABC News.

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Speaker 4: I started there in three and I was there for

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Speaker 4: about ten years, and it was great. There were like

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Speaker 4: ten commenters that were regular, my dad, my father in law,

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Speaker 4: and it's like just a few other randoms, And no

707
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Speaker 4: matter what I posted, they would post, and it was

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Speaker 4: like this nice little you know. It's just like a

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Speaker 4: bunch of folks, like at a diner. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 4: all the circus freaks and angry people and the haters

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00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 4: and the whatever discovered it. And then that ended, and

712
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Speaker 4: then it just it just inevitably. This is what happens

713
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Speaker 4: in social media. Unless you like really have this small

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Speaker 4: discrete group of people, you know, which necessitates locking other

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Speaker 4: people out of it, it just becomes unpleasant and all

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Speaker 4: the pleasant people and all the interesting exchanges and by

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Speaker 4: the way, even polite pushback or constructive criticism, all that

718
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Speaker 4: that stuff, you can't get at it because there's just

719
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Speaker 4: jerks and Nazis. Life's too short.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have actually found really interesting and

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Speaker 1: useful pushback from normal people. Yes, but it's you can't

722
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Speaker 1: but you can't find it now because it's a sea

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Speaker 1: of like we are, verified accounts that you never that

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Speaker 1: are not operating in good faith.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that really bothers me when I

726
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Speaker 4: when I mute somebody, especially if it's somebody that I

727
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Speaker 4: think probably I would agree with on ninety five percent

728
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 4: of the stuff. But like you know, I'm sorry, it's

729
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Speaker 4: one strike. You're out just because I don't have the time.

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Speaker 4: If I don't know you and you're coming at me

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Speaker 4: in a personal way, nasty way, I'm going to mute.

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Speaker 2: You on that.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that's disappointing, and I want to

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Speaker 4: say this all the time, is do you not realize that,

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Speaker 4: like I read this stuff and I'm really willing to

736
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Speaker 4: be criticized, to improve, to hear your ideas, to hear

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Speaker 4: your thoughts, to hear your story ideas to want to

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Speaker 4: you know, like I am, my mind is open, and

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Speaker 4: I do not think that everything I do was great,

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Speaker 4: But I also just for self preservation, like I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna subject myself to that kind of vitriol. So it's

742
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Speaker 4: just such a waste when normal people, not the people

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Speaker 4: who are like professionally jerks, but like when normal people

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Speaker 4: fall into this knee jerk, I'm just gonna be nasty

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Speaker 4: because that's how people talk on social media mindset, because

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Speaker 4: it's just a loss for me because I would have

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Speaker 4: liked to have heard from that person if they weren't

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Speaker 4: in a bad mood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, I mean, I got what did this show?

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Speaker 1: Morning show? Nighttime show on Monday? And like if I'm

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Speaker 1: doing something annoying, like saying right after I say something,

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Speaker 1: which sometimes I do, I want to know that I'm

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Speaker 1: doing it. But like you'd be good looking if you

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Speaker 1: took off your glasses, not helpful, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And I do think like also it is this idea

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Speaker 1: that like we are actually people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I don't mean like, no one, I'm not

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Speaker 4: saying this in a pity party.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I mean, and I'm just saying like there

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Speaker 1: are people reading it, and that's useful, but I want

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Speaker 1: to get onto you had this humongous interview. You're like

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Speaker 1: the first mainstream media maybe not the first, but.

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Speaker 4: First non conservative I think, the first non conservative member

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Speaker 4: of the media to have a sit down interview with

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Speaker 4: Governor DeSantis in years, I think, not including I'm not

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Speaker 4: including Florida media in that person.

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Speaker 1: But which is a very strange situation over there in Florida.

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Speaker 1: But shockingly, that is quite anxiety provoking in a strange way,

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Speaker 1: especially with the way that conservatives are towards the mainstream

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Speaker 1: media and especially CNN. You know, just talk to me

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Speaker 1: a little bit about that.

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Speaker 4: So it is kind of an interesting situation because a

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Speaker 4: I think that in many ways, the more ideological channels

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Speaker 4: have kind of broken everybody's brains in terms of like

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Speaker 4: what the purpose of an interview with a presidential candidate

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Speaker 4: in July twenty twenty three should be. Which is not

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Speaker 4: about me like coming in, you know, looking for a pelt,

778
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Speaker 4: or by the way, him coming in looking for a pelt.

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Speaker 4: It's just about I had fifteen minutes. Here are some

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Speaker 4: questions I have for you about issues of the day,

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Speaker 4: the new policy you introduced and you know, some other

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Speaker 4: things on my mind. What do you think it was

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Speaker 4: not meant to be like a hugely adversarial showdown. This

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Speaker 4: is a beginning of the campaign interview in which you

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Speaker 4: are like as in previous years, you know, establishing a

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Speaker 4: relationship with the campaign, trying to get some answers to

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Speaker 4: some questions that you have not been able to get

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Speaker 4: answers to, and hoping that the person will come back

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Speaker 4: so you can ask, you know, the three hundred other

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Speaker 4: questions you have. So I think probably the DeSantis campaign

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Speaker 4: wondered if we were entering it, in entering the conversation

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Speaker 4: in a good faith way, certainly, you know, I'm sure

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Speaker 4: there were people at CNN, although you know, not me,

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Speaker 4: who wondered if DeSantis was entering it in a good

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Speaker 4: faith way. And I think we both were, which was,

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Speaker 4: here are some questions, what your answers? And you know

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Speaker 4: I pushed back on this. I pushed back on that.

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Speaker 4: But again, it wasn't going to be a Jake Dabber

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Speaker 4: destroy his run. That's not where we are and that's

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Speaker 4: not necessarily journalism. I mean, that's in some ways showmanship.

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Speaker 4: And the interview was about his thoughts and opinions not mine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know this is not what I do. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not the arbitrar by any stretch. But it's interesting

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Speaker 1: because it's like he's so much more intelligent than Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Like you could see the shift between how he interacts

806
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Speaker 1: in the conservative media and in the mainstream media right,

807
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Speaker 1: Like I saw in my mind, like a clear move

808
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Speaker 1: from like that kind of very partisan right wing media

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Speaker 1: talking points. What I think is pretty interesting is over

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Speaker 1: the last since twenty fifteen, but really since the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration got going, we've seen this sort of shift to

812
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Speaker 1: extreme partisan rhetoric. I think more on the right than

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Speaker 1: the left, but I'll agree that there certainly is some

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Speaker 1: on the left, but that you know, in order to

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Speaker 1: get small dollar donations and to become popular. And I

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Speaker 1: thought it was pretty interesting you didn't see so much

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Speaker 1: of that in this interview.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I thought he's obviously a very different

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Speaker 4: candidate than Donald Trump. I mean, interviewing Donald Trump is

820
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 4: like stepping into a cyclone, right, I mean, it's this

821
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Speaker 4: big force of nature and you try the best you

822
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Speaker 4: can to get your questions in, but it's not like

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Speaker 4: a normal human interact. It's true, DeSantis is very conservative.

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Speaker 4: He rejected the premise that I said, like, you know,

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Speaker 4: there are people out there who think that he's gone

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Speaker 4: so far to the right. You know, he's perceived among

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Speaker 4: many Republicans as being not electable in November anymore. And

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Speaker 4: he rejected that premise. But I thought it was, you know,

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Speaker 4: a decent exchange of ideas for a fifteen minute interview.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting that he was doing it.

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Speaker 4: It definitely shows that, like his campaign thinks he needs

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Speaker 4: to step outside of just the conservative bubble, which is

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Speaker 4: you know, strong, but only represents a small percentage. One

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Speaker 4: of the reactions I had to in two thousand and

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Speaker 4: twelve the first presidential debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney,

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Speaker 4: Barack Obama did not do well. And one of the

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Speaker 4: reasons I thought, and look, I was biased. I was

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Speaker 4: a White House reporter who had not gotten an interview

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Speaker 4: with Obama in more than a year at that point,

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Speaker 4: I think. But one of the reasons I thought he

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Speaker 4: didn't do well is because he had only been giving

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Speaker 4: interviews to friendly outlets. And I just think that if

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Speaker 4: you don't take the time as a candidate or a

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Speaker 4: politician to know have your the tires of your car kick.

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Speaker 4: Then you're not going to be as quick. You're going

846
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Speaker 4: to think, well, I can handle any of this. And

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Speaker 4: in fact, I remember in two thousand and eight, I

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Speaker 4: remember he got an interview with Brian Williams, and I

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Speaker 4: remember his staff telling me, this is what Brian Williams

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Speaker 4: was anchor chief anker of NBC News, and I remember

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Speaker 4: his staff telling me that Obama didn't He wasn't particularly

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Speaker 4: impressed with the questions. He thought they were so easy.

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Speaker 4: And this is back in two thousand and eight. So

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think there is a part of politicians

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00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 4: who have a brain and look to Santus whether you

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Speaker 4: like him or not, he went to you, Yeah, he's

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Speaker 4: a jag. I mean, like he has a brain. Again,

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Speaker 4: you might not like what's in that brain, but he has.

859
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 4: But like people like this, they need to have their

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Speaker 4: ideas tested. I just think it's good for every candidate.

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Speaker 4: And that goes for you know, liberal candidates too, going

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Speaker 4: to you know, not necessarily the friendliest outlets either, it's

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Speaker 4: better for everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Jessica Tarlov who's.

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Speaker 4: On the five God Blesser. That's a tough environment.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a killer. And like I like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I go on GB News, which is like this incredibly

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Speaker 1: right wing British news channel, because I think it's really

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Speaker 1: like you don't change hearts and minds on MSNBC. Not

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Speaker 1: to say that I don't love MSNBC, but just like

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Speaker 1: you know, you go on GB News, you might be

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Speaker 1: the first non insane person anyone has ever heard. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's wrong.

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Speaker 4: Look, all I can say is this, like I'm selling

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Speaker 4: a book right now, I'm selling a novel. No no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not criticizing. I'm making a point. I'm

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Speaker 4: selling a novel right now. Like I wrote a novel.

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Speaker 4: It came out a week and a half ago. And

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Speaker 4: you know, I know that CNN people, because because my

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Speaker 4: fellow anchors and colleagues have been so generous and talking

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Speaker 4: to me about my book on air, I know that

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Speaker 4: the CNN audience knows that my book came out, and

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Speaker 4: they'd probably have heard about it by now. But there

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Speaker 4: are other audiences that haven't your audience and other audiences,

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Speaker 4: and it's important to get my message out there about

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Speaker 4: like this is what my book's about. I would be honored.

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Speaker 4: If you take a look at it, I think you'd

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Speaker 4: find to find it a fun read, et cetera. And

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Speaker 4: I am just trying to sell a book. I'm not

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Speaker 4: trying to sell myself as I should be running the world,

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Speaker 4: you know. So I do think there is something to

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Speaker 4: be said about going everywhere you can go to make

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Speaker 4: the sale. All the more so when you are trying

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Speaker 4: to win votes and you're trying to get ioins to

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Speaker 4: go to their local classroom to stand in the middle

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Speaker 4: for the middle of in the middle of the caucus

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Speaker 4: for hours to advocate for you, you really need to

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Speaker 4: convince people. And that means going everywhere. That means talking

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Speaker 4: to everyone you can talk to.

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Speaker 1: In this DeSantis interview, so you have fifteen minutes. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: it seem like every time DeSantis tries to get and

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Speaker 1: this is and by the way, this is happening to

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Speaker 1: all the other candidates. We saw this with Asa Hutchinson.

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Speaker 1: I remember this split screen of Asa Hutchinson trying to

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Speaker 1: talk to Andrea Mitchell while Trump's plane was landing in

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Speaker 1: New York for his Alvin Pragg indictment. And I thought like,

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Speaker 1: here's Asa Hutchinson. I don't necessarily agree with him politically,

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Speaker 1: but this guy has been around and he can't even

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Speaker 1: like get this full screen.

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Speaker 4: That's a tough metaphor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but like, but the same thing happened

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Speaker 1: with Desantas for this one. There's a third set of

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Speaker 1: indictments that Michigan. You know, we this target letter and

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Speaker 1: then we had these Michigan fake electors. Not even indictment

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Speaker 1: of Trump, but you know, certainly his group's plan what

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Speaker 1: that looks like, you know, and we don't know how

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Speaker 1: involved he was, But do you feel like this was

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Speaker 1: heavy on the DeSantis interviewed? Did you feel that he

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Speaker 1: continually was upstaged by this?

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Speaker 4: I was going to ask one Trump question because Trump

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Speaker 4: and Seen were in court that day and then for

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Speaker 4: the classified document's case, and then this news came, Trump announcing.

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Speaker 1: You can't not ask, it's malpractice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can not ask. And also, you know, it's

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Speaker 4: interesting timing because Trump is down this on Sunday and

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Speaker 4: then literally minutes before DeSantis gives a big speech on

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Speaker 4: military policy and sits down for his first non conservative interview,

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Speaker 4: Plump announces this. So I asked what I asked, and

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Speaker 4: you know, I didn't lead the interview with it because

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Speaker 4: I knew he wanted to talk about military policy, and

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Speaker 4: I felt like I had some good questions for him

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Speaker 4: on military policy. And you know what he calls, you know,

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Speaker 4: wanting to rip the woke out of the military. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: Trump is a not literally, but he is an eight

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Speaker 4: hundred poun guerrella. I mean, he's just there. And I'm

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Speaker 4: sure that DeSantis would rather not be asked about Trump,

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Speaker 4: would rather have be asked about his his vision. But

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Speaker 4: at that point there was nothing I could do. So

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Speaker 4: I asked those two questions and we moved on. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I had roast of my questions were about his views,

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Speaker 4: his policies, trying to get him on the record when

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Speaker 4: it came to Ukraine, China, what should what should trans

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Speaker 4: Americans expect from the Santus administration, his position on abortion,

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Speaker 4: and on and on and on. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 4: you can't avoid Trump. You can't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 4: It's so great, great talking to you, Molly, Thank you

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Speaker 4: so much. All the demons are here is out now

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Speaker 4: wherever books are sold, no moment.

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Speaker 1: Thickly, Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 4: Molly, Jong Fast, Kevin McCarthy always licked Trumps boots all

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Speaker 4: day and all night.

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Speaker 1: Well, he made another deal, right, Kevin McCarthy, King of

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Speaker 1: the Secret Deals. Trump was mad that Kevin McCarthy had

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Speaker 1: not endorsed him. I mean, it's so ironic, right because

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy, who completely rehabilitated him after January sixth, didn't

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Speaker 1: actually endorse him yet and Trump is mad. So Trump

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Speaker 1: has made Kevin McCarthy promise that he will expunge these

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Speaker 1: two charges from the record. There are six days left

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Speaker 1: in the session. We shall see. This is our moment

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Speaker 1: of fuckery. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the

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Speaker 1: a friend and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening.