1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: This is a special edition of Crime Stories with Nancy 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Grace Finding Chase Masner Episode six. This week marks three 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: years since her son, Chase Massner vanished in Cobb County. 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: Living the last three years with the not knowing and 5 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: without him here is pure hell. Chase Massner isn't a 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: Rock War veteran, a husband, a father. His wife told 7 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: us she dropped him off at a quick trip in 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Cobb County, where he works. His family says he was 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: last seen at a friend's house in Kennesaw three years 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: ago on March and it's like he vanished from that home, 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: not to be seen or heard from again. If he 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 1: was able to reach out to any one of us, 13 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: he would, he would. Despite some intense searching, few clues 14 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: have been found. She tells me that as a mother, 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: in her heart she feels her son Chase is good. 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: We have absolutely no answers at all, not even the 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: slightest clue. In three every night she goes to sleep 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,639 Speaker 1: with no idea where her son is. I'm talking about 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: Stephanie Cadina, who brings us the story of her missing son, 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 1: Chase Masner crime Online audit and with us special guest 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: Daniel Wilkerson from CBS Channel also on the story, as 22 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,919 Speaker 1: well as Lee Egan from Crime Online and of course 23 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: the Duke Alan Duke and our search as it goes 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: on for missing Iraqi war Vett, father son, husband, Chase Masner. 25 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy, Grace, thank you for being with us. This 26 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories today. We are taking your calls. Let's 27 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: go to the first call, Allen, Nancy. This caller wants 28 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: to talk about Brad Clement, the last known person to 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: see Chase Masner alive. Just curious, um, personally, I seek 30 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: this guy is full of garbage. Um. Why would he 31 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: have to bring over residue for her to smoke if 32 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: she was worried about, um, you know, getting caught because 33 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: they were growing their own pot. Um. Just seems like 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: this guy is just searching for answers. Everything's like you know, um, 35 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: like like you know, um, doesn't seem like he has 36 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: any straightforward answers about anything. Well, I agree with you two, 37 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: and let me tell you something. Caller. When I heard 38 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: the wild card, as I call Brad Clement's different stories 39 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: and inconsistencies, I was very very suspicious. Then when I 40 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: met him, Daniel and I went banging on his door. 41 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: He opened the door up wide, let us in and 42 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: was very open. Some of his inconsistencies can be explained away. 43 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: Some of them, I'm not so sure can be explained 44 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: away by me anyway. Maybe he can. But let me 45 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: remind you of a judge I used to have. His 46 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: name was Luther Alverson. He was the oldest judge on 47 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: the bench when I was trying cases, and he was 48 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: so old. As a matter of fact, he was grandfather 49 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: in because he was already past retirement when they came 50 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: up with a mandatory retirement, so it didn't apply to him. 51 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: But his his calling was to try more cases and 52 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: handle more volume than any other judge in the courthouse, 53 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: to show he was fit to be on the bench. 54 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: And he would tell every jury it is your duty 55 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: to make all witnesses speak the truth, impugning perjury on 56 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: no one. In other words, if there's a way to 57 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: make Brad's story be truthful, makes sense understandable, then that's 58 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: our duty. Let me go out to our guest, Daniel Wilkinson. Daniel, 59 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: what do you think about the caller's question regarding Brad? 60 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he does have inconsistencies. He does, and you know, 61 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: Brad has said in the past that one of his 62 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: main gripes or his main frustrations, was that people have 63 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: said that his story has changed. He admits that, you know, 64 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: it has changed a little, he says, um. But he 65 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: says that he didn't know at the time on the 66 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: twenty six and March back in two thousand and fourteen 67 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: that he was going to have to take note of 68 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: specific times, um. And so that's that's his side, that's 69 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: what he's saying. Okay, Lee, I know that he what 70 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: Daniel was saying is correct. That he says, yeah, I know, 71 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 1: I got some inconsistencies. Well, that's all well and good, 72 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: but that doesn't explain them away, right, No, it does not, 73 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: especially ones where he said right to us that it's 74 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: not it's very light Chase to just disappear. But yet 75 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: in other times he said that it's not like him. 76 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: I just don't see how he can get those two 77 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: mixed up, because that has nothing to do with this timeline. Okay, 78 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: let's go to our next collar. I am wondering how 79 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: Amanda and a could afford a house with a rent 80 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: payment of close to twelve dollars a month with a 81 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: small child. And a brandy baby and all the expenses 82 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: that come with a small child and a brandy baby, 83 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: and how they afforded their bills with Chase working at 84 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: Quick Trips? So how did they afford all of their 85 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: bills to keep them paid and catch up and pay 86 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: all of their credit card debts off? Which they did 87 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: because the problem that I understood monetarily was that Chase's 88 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: father and stepmother ran their credit cards back up right 89 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: before Chase, not long before Chase disappeared. Thank you, Okay, 90 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: good question. And like so many other people in America, 91 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: I guess, including all of us, everybody uh needs more 92 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: money bottom line? But I agree, how could he support 93 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: a wife who was not working and had no plans 94 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: to work, uh and two little children? So let me 95 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: go to you, Alan the d D. What do we 96 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: know and what's this business about the father? Well, I've 97 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: been checking into this and talking to some family sources 98 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: and people who know. First of all, a Quick Trip 99 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: is a corporation that pays pretty well for that kind 100 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: of a convenience store. But still Chase was only making 101 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: about ten dollars an hour as an overnight cashier there, 102 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: and it is difficult their rent was about a month 103 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: on this house that they had. How could they meet 104 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: their bills? Well, they actually did, And what I found 105 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: out is they took out a consolidation loan to pay 106 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: off debts in December and that they were doing pretty 107 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: good then and the pressure was off. But then Chase's father, 108 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: who had quit his trucking job and his and Chase 109 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: his step mom moved in with them, and that increased 110 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: the bills. Stop stop stop stop stop? Okay, slow down 111 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: the roller coaster? Did you say? His father? Just quick? 112 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: And so the father quit swort and moves in with 113 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: the already economically challenged Chase Master. This is one of 114 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: the things that happened, yes, and was there for a 115 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: couple of months. It caused a lot of you know, 116 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: you you have your in laws move in you you 117 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: can only imagine how that is in such such cases. 118 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: And they were there for about two months and finally 119 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: they left. But it was the middle of March, about 120 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: a week or week and a half before Chase vanished. 121 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: The credit card bills came in and I'm told that 122 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: they were as much as thirty five hundred dollars that 123 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: they had accumulated after having cleared them up. And as 124 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: for Amanda, part of the tension between Amanda and Chase 125 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: was that, in fact, Amanda got a part time job 126 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: just two weeks before Chase disappeared. She started working a 127 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: part time job and apparently Chase wasn't too happy about that, 128 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: where it was some kind of motor sports company or 129 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: car company something to do with that she worked the administration. Okay, 130 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: hold on, let me understand this. So she gets a 131 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: job to two weeks before he disappears. Okay, And I 132 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: still don't get the father quitting his job just like that. 133 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm not going to say the word freeloading, 134 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: but um, this is one of the controversy. Why did 135 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: he quit? Was he ill or did he just say 136 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: I'm tired of working from a family source, he didn't 137 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: like the job and so he quit. But before he 138 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: found something else he quit. Can I tell you something. 139 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: I remember um prosecuting all day long in the courthouse. 140 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: I'd get off at best at six to seven, then 141 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: going to teach. On Mondays and Wednesdays, I taught in 142 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: the undergrad program at Georgia State. And on Tuesdays and 143 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: Thursdays I taught in the law school. Teaching trial strategy, 144 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: and I tried to get a weekend job editing manuscripts. 145 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean, and this guy decides he doesn't like his 146 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: job and just quits and moves in no wonder they 147 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: were having problems. When he left. The father signed a 148 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: promissory note to Chase an Amanda saying I'm gonna pay 149 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: this money back. But that didn't pay marches credit card picks. 150 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: The timing was that the bills were coming in in 151 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: the middle of March, and that is when reality hit that, 152 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, we are in debt again despite this consolidation. Long, 153 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on what day? What day Daniel did 154 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: he go missing? What was the date he went missing? 155 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: On March Thursday? What a co inkie dank? What a 156 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: coinkie dank? A coincidence? And regular people talk that they 157 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: get this bill for thirty dollars and then bam, he 158 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,599 Speaker 1: goes missing. I'm telling you, the love of money is 159 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: the root of evil. Money proble UM's credit cards. I mean, dang, 160 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: But you know, Lee, I don't know if you've ever 161 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: been in the spot before, but I remember in law 162 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: school I was so broke, so broke. I remember a 163 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: big night I think it was Del Taco or Taco 164 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: Bell would have three tacos for ninety nine cents, and 165 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: me and my study partner, Frank, I mean, we would 166 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: go like stuff ourselves to last for the rest of 167 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: the week. And I would have to drive through the 168 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: bank to make sure how much money I had before 169 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: I would write a check. I have to drive through 170 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: the bank teller. You know that is very pitiful, right, Okay, 171 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: So that it happens, it happens. I want to add 172 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: this to you have to add the way I understand 173 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: it to, Amanda's sister was living with them, and so 174 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: she may have and we don't have this confirmed, but 175 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: she may have been contributing to the contributing some money 176 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: for the expenses. The other thing is this, I went 177 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: out probably about a month ago to Chase and Amanda. 178 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: Is their their own home, and it is a huge home. 179 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a winding driveway. They sit probably 180 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: on two acre lots. But the way that I understand it, 181 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: a family source told me that they got a super 182 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: deal as far as monthly rent. And I think Alan, 183 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: you said, what is round eleven or twelve dollars? Yes, 184 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: that's what I heard. Yeah. I think that was because 185 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: they had some kind of connection to the landlord. But 186 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: still a thousand dollars eleven hundred dollars is a lot 187 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: off of ten dollars an hour, okay, yeah, And plus 188 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: when you have family moving in and not and not 189 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: eating all your food and using your hot water and 190 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: running up your energy bill and not paying any money. No, 191 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: not judging, just observing. Next question hit me. One of 192 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: the big questions that I have is Bladday chases phone back. 193 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: Chase disappears on March with the phone and the dead card, 194 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: never to be found again. I have a recording with 195 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: Brad on April the sixteenth of two thousand fourteen, where 196 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: Brad calls Amanda in a three way call. He's asking 197 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: her about a drug dealer in the neighborhood if Amanda 198 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: has talked with that person to see if that person 199 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: knows what Chase might be. And Amanda is sleepy. It's 200 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: about two in the morning, and Amanda says, I will 201 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: look in Chase's phone in the morning and give you 202 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: that number. I will call you back with that number. 203 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: So Amanda admitted on April the sixteenth that she had 204 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: Chase's phone now this was his current phone, because Chase 205 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: said just bought a phone a month before and did 206 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: have a new phone. Okay, Alan take that one. We 207 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: actually have that recording where Brad called Amanda at two 208 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: am on the sixteenth of April. Let's first listen to 209 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: that recording and you hear it for yourself. Hey, Amanda, Yeah, 210 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: h m hmm, and sorry to call you so late. Um, 211 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: I was just thinking, that's kind of walking through the 212 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: neighborhood and uh, I just remember, do you know the 213 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: guy that lived down the street for me that chases 214 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: to get um that stuff from? Because I remember he 215 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: and I couldn't remember, Um, did you have you tried 216 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: to call that guy or do you know? Um? How 217 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: do you do you know who I'm talking about? No? 218 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: I don't. He said that he lived right in my neighborhood, 219 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: and I think that is a big step to this. 220 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: We could just figure out who that guy is if 221 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: you're talking about the time that you like it like 222 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: he got weed for that one day. Yeah, yeah, that's 223 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. That's like some five year old 224 00:13:54,840 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: his name Oh h power m. Because did you know him? Well? 225 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: Do you think that he could have gone there? That No, 226 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: Chase doesn't really know him that well later, he just 227 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: met him a few weeks ago. He's like some old 228 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: business guy, like kind of a nerd Chase just a 229 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: few times. Okay, well, um, mistake member should be interesting. Okay, 230 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: Well tomorrow, okay, cool, cool. I'm just you know, still 231 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: do want to can Manda and trying to trying to 232 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: find him and do get this, you know, get some closure, 233 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: and you know, just all of us are finally getting 234 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, accused of this all kinds of stuff I 235 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: feel like, So I just want to I just wanted 236 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: to get it done, you know. And yeah, techinitely definitely 237 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: just well, sleep tight, and I hope everything's doing all right, 238 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: all right, And if you you know, like I said, 239 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: need anything, don't hurt if you you know, if you 240 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: need anything, that's not gonna get you in trouble from 241 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: talking to me. But I just thought that, uh, that 242 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: guy you know, really prod have some importance for this, 243 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: because I don't think we've gone that route at all. 244 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, looks number. Okay, Well I'll talk to you soon, 245 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: all right, Okay, thank you, thank you. So what I 246 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: get out of this is that Amanda is dead asleep 247 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: and probably could even not remember this phone conversation the 248 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: next morning, and in that sleep mode probably didn't even 249 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: remember who had what phone. Also, keep in mind that 250 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: Chase had two telephones. He had a phone that was 251 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: older and a new phone. The new phone is the 252 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: one he had that that is now missing, and maybe 253 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: the number was in the older phone and she still 254 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: had that and was going to check it there. But 255 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: if Chase's phone had been turned on at all in 256 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: the time after his missing, it would have been picked 257 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: up by law enforcement. They would have been able to ping. 258 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: But there is plenty of evidence to believe that the 259 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: phone was destroyed, disabled, battery taken out because as far 260 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: as we know, it wasn't being used, and it wasn't 261 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: being peeing afterwards. Bottom line, Lee Egan, where does that 262 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: leave me? I mean, Alan, I know you're a journalist 263 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: and you're all l a Hollywood blah blah, but can 264 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: you put anything in a nutshell for Pete's sake? I mean, Lee, 265 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: what did he just say? He basically said that she 266 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: got the call while she was sleeping, and she could 267 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: have just mumbled something without thinking. So there's no proof 268 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: that she had Chase's phone. Although she said it, she 269 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: could have just been saying something in her sleep that 270 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: she didn't remember. Okay, wait a minute, Well, so in 271 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: her quote sleep, she says she'll check his phone. Is 272 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: that what she says? Alan, yes, I guess no, Alan yes. Okay, well, okay, 273 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: now we've got I the I was asleep. The dog 274 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: ain't my homework thing. Okay, let's go. I'm not buying 275 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: you just say it in your sleep, because if the 276 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: phone wakes me up and I'm talking on the phone, 277 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: I hit answer and I've got that much sense and 278 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: I answered, then I'm like, I forgot it the next 279 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: I'm not like totally buying that. It could have been 280 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: the older phone too, if you had just gotten a 281 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: new phone. It sometimes it takes time to get numbers 282 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: transferred over, and so she could have been referring to 283 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: his old phone. Yeah, okay, and maybe the little green 284 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: men from Mars came in and answered the phone, impersonated her. 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I'm 333 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: really proud you have partnered with us. Now let's get 334 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: back to Chase Master. Next question. Hi, Alan and Nancy. UM, 335 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: my name is Jennifer Sullivan and I was a friend 336 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: of Chase Masters. There has been permission given to anyone 337 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: who's qualified or can two luminal or whatnot. The the 338 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: roofers big trashman that was never searched, they know still 339 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: which one it was and have authorized whomever to come 340 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: out and and look at it or or use luminal 341 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: or anything like that. So I just wanted to throw 342 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 1: that out there as an option. I'm not sure if 343 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: you guys could handle it, but thank you and have 344 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: a wonderful day. Well. Yeah, I would love to have 345 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: had the dumpster LUMINALD. I would actually like for someone 346 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: to have looked in the correct dumpster, but we're a 347 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 1: day late and a dollar short. The cops searched the 348 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: wrong dumpster after Stephanie Cadein and the mother begged and 349 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: begged and begged for them to search a dumpster. They 350 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: then searched the wrong dumpster. So a time for luminal 351 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: is gone long gone. Daniel jump in, yep, and and 352 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: and the thing is, how many times has that dumpster 353 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: been used since then? I'm sure after you know this happened, 354 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: they didn't just set that dumpster to the side. I mean, 355 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: you have all kind of things that could have been 356 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: thrown there since then. Um, But like you said, yeah, 357 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: the Cobb County, and I've talked to him, they have 358 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: admitted that they searched the wrong dumpster. In fact, Stephanie 359 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: Kodina Chase his mother says that they uh an officer 360 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: came to her house and said, hey, look, we dropped 361 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: the ball. We cannot dig down. You know it's gonna 362 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: cost over a million dollars. What else can we do 363 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: to satisfy you? And we're talking about a dumpster that 364 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: was parked in the driveway at Brad's house where Chase disappeared, 365 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: and it was there the last day, right on March. Yes, 366 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: it was in finally the house. Mars Allen hit me 367 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: with the next call. I'm calling about Brad's response to 368 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: Daniel in episode four, when Daniel says Brendan Buck said 369 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: he tripped over what appeared to be a grave in 370 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: your backyard. As you laugh and say, yes, he tripped 371 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: over a tiny stone, that says bandit I. Mr Clement 372 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: made initial contact with Brandon, and his exact words to 373 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: me were there appears to be a spot dug up 374 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: almost grave light We're brand didn't exact words. It may 375 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: be a time stone now, Mr Clements, but it wasn't 376 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: on much fourteen. Okay, Yeah, when we heard, oh, there's 377 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: a body in the backyard, all of our ears perked up. 378 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: But I spoke to Brad Clements face to face. He 379 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: explained that it was an ex girlfriend's dog. He was 380 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: very upfront about it. And then we actually managed to 381 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: track down the roofing guy and put the question to him. Listen, 382 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: there was something you tripped over in the backyard. Yeah, 383 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: it was they like a little grave, he said. Were 384 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: I think a dog or something? It was right outside 385 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: the fence. There's a a little headstone. Next question, Okay, 386 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: I have a couple of questions. Um on the end 387 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: of one of the voice smails for bread. He says 388 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: that it isn't like Chase to leave. But then on 389 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: the other hand, he says that that he always just 390 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: leaves the demanded just always picked them up it like 391 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: that's normal. And I also wanted to know why would 392 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: Brad say this isn't like you to leave on the 393 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: on Chase's voicemail but tell everyone he always left but 394 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: pretty much the same question. Yeah, you're right about that 395 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: for the most part. Um, when Daniel and I were 396 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: with him anyway, he seemed to say this was Chase's 397 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: m O. He would just get up and leave. I 398 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: always thought it was a little bit rude, without saying 399 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: goodbye or anything. Daniel, do you remember that? I do? 400 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: And Um, you know what, And like I said, this 401 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: is a really good question because it's something that I 402 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: keep thinking of in my head, but I haven't brought 403 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: it up. Um. And if you remember on when Brad 404 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: left a voicemail on Chase's phone on the seven, I 405 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: think it was around three or four, he stated, he said, 406 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: Brad said, man, it's not like you to just leave 407 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: like this. And there have been several times when Brad 408 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: has told me directly that it was his EMO, and 409 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: he's gone back and told me at other times it 410 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: wasn't Chase's m O. So uh, I didn't think it 411 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: was huge. But when you put everything altogether and the 412 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: other inconsistencies, Um, you know, you get a mountain. Okay, 413 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: from what we are understanding this case, Chase's disappearances going 414 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: to the cold case division at Cobb County, does that 415 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 1: mean it's going to get special attention or does that 416 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: mean it's really gone cold and it's on the back 417 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: burner so far it's off the stove. Uh. Next question plays, 418 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: I did hear your podcast UM with Jesus Mom and 419 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: the last person to see Chase alive, and you did 420 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: ask him if he would submit to a polygraph that 421 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: I was just wondering if Um, that polygraph has gone 422 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: to happen, because I have a feeling that Um last 423 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: person to seeing alive, that he's not telling something. I 424 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: have a couple of questions about the Gary Place masner Um, 425 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: and about the wild card because in Brad, I know 426 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: you in the last episode discussed him taking a polygraph. 427 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: I was wondering if that was actually going to happen 428 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: or not. UM, don't think you're selling the whole truth. 429 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: I think maybe he's a way to take a polygraph 430 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: because of the drunk youth. You don't live if you've 431 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: had an opiated it and you don't live with people 432 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: using opiates. So maybe that's why he doesn't want to 433 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: take a polygraph. And also where are the girls? Is? 434 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: Um Stephanie allowed to see them? Keep up the good word. 435 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: I enjoy your podcast. Thank you. Let's talk about the polygraph, uh, Daniel. 436 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: When you and I were with Brad Clements, he said, sure, 437 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: I'll take a polly, but when he was asked earlier 438 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: on in the investigation, he said he wouldn't because his 439 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: emotions were quote all over the place. Where does it 440 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: stand now? I told him set up the polly and 441 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: he's skipped town, yes, and he said that he had 442 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: some work to do out of town. Um, he said 443 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: that this is the case all along has has really 444 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: just wrecked his life. So but the last time I 445 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: talked to him, he said that he would I have 446 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: not tried to contact him in the last two weeks 447 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: or so. Um. I will say, every time I've contacted him, 448 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: he's called me back. And so I just sent a 449 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: matches to him just about twenty minutes ago, and that's 450 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: one of the things that I will address with him. 451 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: But the last time we spoke again, he says that 452 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: he will take it. Let's talk about the little girls. 453 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: Uh leeve, where are the little girls? Have they been interviewed? 454 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: Do you think they know anything? And will Amanda take 455 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: a polygraph? The little girls they're living with Amanda in Iowa, 456 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: and I believe Stephanie did see them last Thanksgiving. As 457 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: far as them knowing anything, um, possibly the oldest. The 458 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: oldest girl about five or six, I guess may know something. 459 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: She may have heard and seen some things. And Amanda 460 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: taken the polygraph. I don't know. I can't get in 461 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: touch with her. I've tried several times and she's not 462 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: returning my messages. So I have no idea. We played 463 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: on our last episode a section of a phone call 464 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: where early in the investigation, Amanda was saying she would 465 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: take a polygraph test. So maybe let's leave that open. 466 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: Maybe she will. And as far as Amanda goes, let 467 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: me give a little perspective. As I've dug in more 468 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: and more to this. You know, I got two grandkids 469 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: who are this, who are about the same age that 470 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: chased Amanda's kids were at the time. I cannot do anything. 471 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, women I know can do a 472 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: lot that a man can't do. But how do you 473 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: take care of two little girls and kill somebody and 474 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: hide the body in the perfect cover up. I don't 475 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: know how you do that. I'm trying to get my 476 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: mind about doing that. And that makes me really really 477 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: wonder if if Amanda had any reason, which I can't 478 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: even imagine, to kill her husband, how could she possibly 479 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: pull it off? She had those two little girls with 480 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: her at all times, no evidence there was a babysitter around. 481 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: Stop stop stop stop? Oh oh you're you're you're making 482 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 1: my teeth hurt. Okay, all the words, okay, Alan, people 483 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: kill people every day with children at home and in 484 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: spite of all sorts of obstacles. Okay. So saying, oh, 485 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: I couldn't commit a murder because I my children are home, No, Okay, 486 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: Now it's a nice thought. And I have no reason 487 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: to believe Amanda had anything to do with Chase's death. 488 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: I'll put it out there dead, he's not alive anymore, 489 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: no reason to think that. But as far as you're 490 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: saying it would be way too inconvenient to commit a 491 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: murder because I don't have a babysitter, are you serious? Please? 492 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: Come on, man, whoa Okay, I'm gonna take a slug 493 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: of coffee now, and I'm not I'm off the tea 494 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: because to you, Alan did, I'm off the day and 495 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: I'm on the hard stuff. What now, I wanted to 496 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: add this. I mean, I've been talking to Amanda. I've 497 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: spoken with Amanda in just the last twenty four hours, 498 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,239 Speaker 1: and uh. She has said that she is excited that 499 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: the cold case unit is taking on uh this case. Um, 500 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: and that she really had to pull back and they 501 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: moved because of all the speculation. And she says that 502 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: she was being stalked. Uh, and she said it was 503 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: just really getting to her. So for her protection, for 504 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: her girl's protection, they had to move away. And she 505 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: sent me this this text message the other day, and 506 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: because I asked her, I said, what do you think 507 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: happened to Chase? Do you feel he's still alive? And 508 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: I want to read it. She says, for so long, 509 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: each day, I had so many different gut feelings about 510 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: what could have happened. I have gone back and forth 511 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: and driven myself crazy for months on end. Finally God 512 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: pulled me out and showed me that I don't need 513 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: to know. I don't need to guess I'm not moving on. 514 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: So if he's alive, I'll rejoice to reunite with my 515 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: husband and the love of my life. And if he's 516 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: passed away, then I hope i'll see him again. Everything 517 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: else will just torment me. God's given me peace in 518 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,959 Speaker 1: the unknown, so I try not to allow myself to 519 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: have gut feelings anymore. I'm sorry. I know you want 520 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: a straight dead or live answer, but if you were 521 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,479 Speaker 1: in my shoes, you know it's not that easy. Okay. 522 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: When I take from that, will she take a polygraph? 523 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: And will she join us on our podcast? You know 524 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: the answer to either one of those? I don't know 525 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: the answer. No, I don't late. Do you know the answer? 526 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: Not yet. We're working on it. Well, we are working 527 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: on it, and I do know that she is paying 528 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: attention to what we're doing here with the podcast, So 529 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: maybe she'll see that we are being fair. Allan, you 530 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: can just say I don't know if you don't know, 531 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: just so I don't know. I'm hopeful I'm saying maybe. 532 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: And again, thank you to Apron for being our partner 533 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: in our podcast today. Thank you for making home cooked 534 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: meals available for so many working moms. And dads that 535 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: don't have all the extra time to go to the 536 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: grocery store, come home after work and put a homemade 537 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: dinner on the table for their children. You know, I'm 538 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: not so sure it's so much the food. Is the 539 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: family time together at home that means so much to me, 540 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: and more important, Blue Apron, thank you for making our 541 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: podcast available and possible today for so many people joining 542 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: us in our search for Chase Masner. You know a 543 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: lot of people have forgotten about Chase master They've forgotten 544 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: he's missing, they forgot he ever lived. But I really 545 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: believe that one day his two little girls well thank us, 546 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: or at least appreciate us trying to find Chase Masner. 547 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, Blue Apron. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, 548 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: good bye friend,