WEBVTT - The Rot-Com Bubble

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<v Speaker 1>All Zone Media. Hello and welcome to Better Offline. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host ed ze Tron. In the next two episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to present you with a theory about why

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<v Speaker 1>the tech industry has felt so weird for the last

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<v Speaker 1>few years and why there are so many products that

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<v Speaker 1>have popped up that don't seem to really do anything

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<v Speaker 1>or be things that people have actually asked for. And

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<v Speaker 1>it comes down to a few simple questions, chief of them,

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<v Speaker 1>what if the next big thing in tech is actually

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<v Speaker 1>years or decades away? What if the era of hypergrowth

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<v Speaker 1>in tech is over now? As I've mentioned before, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe the rot economy is to blame for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of this. It's a growth that all cost mindset that

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<v Speaker 1>sits at the core of pretty much everything I've written

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<v Speaker 1>or spoken about. It's this force that drives businesses to

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<v Speaker 1>grow bigger rather than better, and make products to conu

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<v Speaker 1>markets and show growth to the public markets, rather than

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<v Speaker 1>fixing a problem that you or I might have or

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<v Speaker 1>a business might have, or provide a necessary service that

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<v Speaker 1>was nevertheless popular and profitable. And the row economy it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel like any other economic period I've seen. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like, say, I don't know the post two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eight financial crisis, or that stagnation that lingered afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's different was there isn't really a single obvious

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<v Speaker 1>event that started the declient of the services we're using,

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<v Speaker 1>all the companies that make them, and there's not really

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<v Speaker 1>like a Layman Brothers crater we can point at and say,

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<v Speaker 1>there you go, that's the thing. The closest I can

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<v Speaker 1>come is kind of FTX, which was the big crypto crash,

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<v Speaker 1>the big massive Ponzi scheme that no one really saw

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<v Speaker 1>coming other than many people who were looking behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>But other than that, that was kind of what crashed crypto.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe it was the end of the zero interest

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<v Speaker 1>free era where interest rates went up and it was

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<v Speaker 1>harder to get money. But it was no one thing

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<v Speaker 1>you could point out. But I do want to try,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have one epoch I think for when the

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<v Speaker 1>rat economy kind of took over, and I'd want to

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<v Speaker 1>point to the latter point of the twenty tens. Think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, like really think about it for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometime after twenty nineteen, the tech industry it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>lost its sizzle. There were new gadgets, there were new apps,

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<v Speaker 1>new services, but tech started to feel iterative rather than innovative.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet they were making more money than ever, and by

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, even the pretense of any gradual improvement

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<v Speaker 1>was really dropped. It felt like, I don't know, they

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to sell us things that didn't really exist.

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<v Speaker 1>We were told that NFTs would replace physical, tangible collectibles

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<v Speaker 1>and that cryptocurrency would replace regular money, while also emancipating

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<v Speaker 1>customers for an unstoppable market force like inflation or big tech.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of course cryptocurrency came with it the idea and

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<v Speaker 1>a mean idea of decentralized software, and this was all

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<v Speaker 1>meant to get rid of rent seeking middle men that

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<v Speaker 1>were taking parts of every purchase, despite the very same

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<v Speaker 1>middle men investing in cryptocurrency. Yet the actual services that

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<v Speaker 1>came out of these movements didn't really seem to do

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<v Speaker 1>anything or improve our lives in any meaningful way. And

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<v Speaker 1>we were told at one point that our futures were

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<v Speaker 1>in the meta verus and we lived in this massive

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<v Speaker 1>interconnected called New Internet. YEP, when we actually got there,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just this really wonky VR virtual reality space

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<v Speaker 1>that Mark Zuckerberg's somehow burned thirty six billion dollars on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all so weird, and today we're told that we

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<v Speaker 1>have this glorious AI powered future that's just imminent. Yet

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<v Speaker 1>what we've actually got is this unprofitable, unsustainable generative AI

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<v Speaker 1>that has this horrible, unastainable problem of hallucination where it

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<v Speaker 1>spits out incorrect information authoritatively, which, worryingly, Google CEO Sander

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<v Speaker 1>Pesha has said in an interview with The Verge is

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<v Speaker 1>an inherent feature of a technology that he's now plugged

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<v Speaker 1>into Google Search, which means it's generating these horrible answers

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<v Speaker 1>to queries based on the links of a search engine

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<v Speaker 1>that Sundar Pieshai has helped decay. It's all just very frustrating,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's also quite useless. Kind of it logical too.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the forefront of this AI boom is Sam

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<v Speaker 1>Moltman and his eighty billion dollar Jugger or open Ai,

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<v Speaker 1>a company that claims it's going to build artificial general intelligence,

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<v Speaker 1>one that experiences human like cognition, which is just not

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<v Speaker 1>possible with generative AI. The tech he is selling today

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to give us AGI. I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to be abundantly clear about that. Anytime you read Sam

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<v Speaker 1>Mortman talking about AGI, he is talking about tech the

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<v Speaker 1>open AI does not have and is not building. They

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<v Speaker 1>may claim they're building it behind the scenes, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>only working on generative AI. And the frustration you hear

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<v Speaker 1>in my voice you might have felt yourself. You might

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<v Speaker 1>not have, but it's this prevailing sense of you keep

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<v Speaker 1>telling me the future is here, but when I look

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<v Speaker 1>at what the future is, it isn't even close. And

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<v Speaker 1>the products so selling me aren't actually useful. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>give you another example. Windows laptops will soon integrate an

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<v Speaker 1>AI powered search feature called Recall that allows you to

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<v Speaker 1>search everything you've ever done on your computer in the

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<v Speaker 1>last three months, and it does so by recording everything,

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<v Speaker 1>everything from the meetings you've been into to the things

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<v Speaker 1>you've written. I should be clear, I don't think anybody

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<v Speaker 1>actually asked for a feature like this, and it's also

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<v Speaker 1>inherently invasive. It directly encroaches on your privacy and your security,

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<v Speaker 1>and it takes screenshots of your machine every few seconds

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<v Speaker 1>and stores them, along with AI generated inferences, in a

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<v Speaker 1>locally held database. This isn't good, and the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they're not sending anywhere doesn't really make it better. It

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<v Speaker 1>is in essence a pre installed screen recorder, the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that hacker might install on a victim's computer,

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<v Speaker 1>and if an attacker gains access to it, it's obvious

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<v Speaker 1>how catastrophic the ramifications are, or let's be honest, domestic

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<v Speaker 1>abuse people at work. There are people who can get

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<v Speaker 1>on your computer, force access by forcing you or just

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<v Speaker 1>getting your password, and they can now see everything you've done.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite this being an inherently AI powered feature, it just

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<v Speaker 1>it can't distinguish between your regular computer usage and say,

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<v Speaker 1>sensitive information passwords, health information, trade secrets, the very obvious

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<v Speaker 1>stuff you would not want your computer recording. It treats,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like an email from your doctor with

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<v Speaker 1>the same level of concern and copying as it would

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<v Speaker 1>like YouTube or a chat conversation. It's just really bad

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<v Speaker 1>and already white hat security researchers they've created a proof

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<v Speaker 1>of concept malware applications that can pull sensitive data obtained

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<v Speaker 1>or generated by Microsoft Recall from your computer and with

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<v Speaker 1>pretty minimal effort, and now the UK's Information Commissioner's Office,

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<v Speaker 1>the nation's privacy watchdog, by the way, they can actually

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<v Speaker 1>do quite steep fines. It's not great they're now probing

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<v Speaker 1>whether the tech actually sen's an unacceptable risk to consumers,

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<v Speaker 1>which as anyone who thinks about it for more than

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<v Speaker 1>twelve seconds or even five can confirm it does. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just very frustrating. And who asked for this? Who actually

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<v Speaker 1>asked for this? Now every major tech company they're integrating

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<v Speaker 1>AI into their products and services. Yeah, underneath the hood,

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<v Speaker 1>the AI they're integrating doesn't actually seem to do anything new,

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<v Speaker 1>or generate a profit or solve anyone's actual needs, even

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<v Speaker 1>the companies themselves seeming capable of explaining why AI is

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<v Speaker 1>such a big deal. To the point, the Microsoft Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl commercial for its AI powered co pilot assistant featured

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<v Speaker 1>multiple things that it cannot do, like generate the code

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<v Speaker 1>for an open world game. When you, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you type in the prompt, which on the commercial is

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<v Speaker 1>three D generate the code for an open world three

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<v Speaker 1>D game, and you type that in and it will

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<v Speaker 1>give you a list of things you should do to

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<v Speaker 1>build an open world game. It's so strange, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>so strange how so many of these companies just can't

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<v Speaker 1>really explain why this is the next best thing. They

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<v Speaker 1>just need you to believe them, and maybe that might

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<v Speaker 1>actually be the problem. For decades, the tech industry and

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<v Speaker 1>its various venture capital funders, they've been remarkably good at

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<v Speaker 1>coming up with both innovative new products and waste to

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<v Speaker 1>turn them into huge new markets for hypergrowth, one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>billion trillion dollar markets that they could then sell in

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<v Speaker 1>to investing companies. Within actual industries, you had search engines,

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<v Speaker 1>digital maps, smartphones and apps, social media, cloud computing, software

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<v Speaker 1>as a service, electro cars, streaming audio and video, and

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<v Speaker 1>also another thing. In the period between like two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five and twenty twenty four, we've tripled the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of people on the Internet. It's now over five billion

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<v Speaker 1>people who use it. And that's also an problem I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to in a little bit. There were obvious meaningful

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<v Speaker 1>markets to move into, ways to connect people, ways to

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<v Speaker 1>get people content. They wanted algorithms to present it to them,

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<v Speaker 1>ways to sell people. Things that solve problems that they

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<v Speaker 1>had or either for the first time or solving them faster,

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<v Speaker 1>like the transition from physical to digital media, and problems

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<v Speaker 1>that were both important to solve and actually solvable. Teke

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<v Speaker 1>has perpetually succeeded at building things, new things that neatly

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<v Speaker 1>create these new markets, and they've been incentivized by both

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<v Speaker 1>the public and private markets in growing these companies as

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<v Speaker 1>fast and as big as possible to dominate these new markets,

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<v Speaker 1>with the assumption that there would always be more of them,

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<v Speaker 1>more massive, multi billion and multi trillion dollar markets to conquer.

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<v Speaker 1>And it must be clear you should never assume anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, only one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million additional people got online, which is the slowest

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<v Speaker 1>rate of growth in the last eighteen years. That it's

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<v Speaker 1>not because the need to bring connectivity to the masses

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<v Speaker 1>is actually solved, especially in the global South. It hasn't been,

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<v Speaker 1>and as of the most recent figures from the UN's

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<v Speaker 1>International Telecoms Union shows thirty three percent of the world's population,

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<v Speaker 1>or about two point six billion people, have never actually

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<v Speaker 1>used the Internet. But I have more worrying stuff. I've

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<v Speaker 1>received some data from similar Web that shows that the

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<v Speaker 1>majority of the Internet's top one hundred web properties have

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<v Speaker 1>seen significant declines in traffic since twenty twenty one. In

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<v Speaker 1>the years since the world slowly emerged from lockdown, Google

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com has seen the decline of five point three

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<v Speaker 1>percent in web visits, as has YouTube, which lost three

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<v Speaker 1>point eight percent of its traffic, Facebook, which lost a

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable twenty seven point seven percent, Twitter which lost three

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<v Speaker 1>point five percent, Amazon which lost eleven point six percent,

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<v Speaker 1>Twitch dot tv seventeen point five percent lost. There they

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<v Speaker 1>are owned by Amazon. Sadly, Wikipedia which lost twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>point eight percent of its traffic. And here's the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that really worried me. Porn sites like ex videos twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven point four percent loss and porn harp seventeen point

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<v Speaker 1>one percent loss. When the pawn's down, that's that's when

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<v Speaker 1>you start worrying. Though you might be tempted to dismiss

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<v Speaker 1>this all as a result of life returning to normal

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<v Speaker 1>and the traditional office based environments aren't particularly conducive to

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<v Speaker 1>a crafty mid day wank, you shouldn't. The trend actually

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<v Speaker 1>began earlier, with similar web data showing the declines starting

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen. My analysis focus is in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one to twenty twenty four because that's the one I

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<v Speaker 1>have the most detailed month by month and year by

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<v Speaker 1>year breakdowns for. And by the way, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>put in the episode notes links to things so that

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<v Speaker 1>you can all see this. I want you to know

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<v Speaker 1>this date is very worrying, but don't trust me. Trust

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<v Speaker 1>the data from similar Web. When you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>trajectory of the web's most valuable properties on a year

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<v Speaker 1>over year basis, things look quite bleak, with Google which

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<v Speaker 1>lost about point nine percent, YouTube lost about four point

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<v Speaker 1>four percent, Facebook seven point seven percent loss, Twitter six

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<v Speaker 1>point two percent loss, Twitch eleven point nine percent loss,

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<v Speaker 1>and Amazon two point seven percent loss, all still seeing

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<v Speaker 1>significant the clients. Only a few sites like Reddit, which

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<v Speaker 1>saw a thirty one point three percent growth, TikTok eleven

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<v Speaker 1>point six percent growth, and Instagram nine point nine percent

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<v Speaker 1>growth but trending down every year since twenty nineteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>also LinkedIn up seventeen point nine percent. They're the only

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<v Speaker 1>ones that are really seeing good year over year growth.

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<v Speaker 1>And while it's important to note that these are visits

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<v Speaker 1>rather than active users, and in fairness, this data only

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<v Speaker 1>covers visits made through a browser rather than an app,

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<v Speaker 1>this is still a truly astounding trend that suggests for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part that the web's largest platforms are seeing

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a digital recession. While there might be revenue

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<v Speaker 1>coming to these companies and they might still be acquiring

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<v Speaker 1>no users. There's really no good way to spin the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that traffic to platforms like Amazon and Google has

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<v Speaker 1>plateaued then declined something shifting downwards, and it's been doing

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<v Speaker 1>so since twenty nineteen. Perhaps this explains why platforms like

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<v Speaker 1>Google and Facebook have kept making changes to make each

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<v Speaker 1>user journey, create more engagement and make it more profitable

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<v Speaker 1>to sustain growth, because fewer people than ever are actually

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<v Speaker 1>visiting the platforms. I believe her at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>something I called the rock coom boom, the tech industry's

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<v Speaker 1>hypergrowth cycle, where there were so many new lands to conquer,

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<v Speaker 1>so many new ways to pile money into, so many

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<v Speaker 1>new innovative, useful ideas, that it felt like every tech

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<v Speaker 1>company could experience perpetual growth just by throwing money at

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. It also explains why so many tech products YouTube, Google, Search, Facebook,

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<v Speaker 1>and so on feel like they're either trapped in amber

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<v Speaker 1>or like they've got tangibly worse, because when you think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, when there's no incentive to improve the things

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<v Speaker 1>you've already built, why would you you should just be

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<v Speaker 1>working on the next big thing or new ways to

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<v Speaker 1>duce the thing you have right now to keep people

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<v Speaker 1>coming back, yeah, maybe, but to keep people on the

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<v Speaker 1>plat sometimes by monopolizing an industry so they have nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>else to go. And that's the thing. All of these companies, Facebook, Google, Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean all of them. They've all built themselves on

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<v Speaker 1>this very simple idea that they'd always be a next

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<v Speaker 1>big thing. And I'm not even saying that they won't be,

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<v Speaker 1>but they've assumed and the problem that they're facing right

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<v Speaker 1>now is that there would always be one around the corner.

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<v Speaker 1>This belief that exponential growth is not just a reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>expectation but a requirement is central to the core of

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<v Speaker 1>the rot in the tech industry. And as these rapacious

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<v Speaker 1>demands run into reality, I'm sorry to say that the

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<v Speaker 1>rock coombubble is going to deflate. And as we speak,

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<v Speaker 1>the tech industry they grappling with somewhat of a midlife crisis,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're desperately searching for that next hypergrowth market, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're eagerly pushing customers and businesses to adopt this technology

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<v Speaker 1>that nobody actually asked for. They must keep the rot

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<v Speaker 1>economy alive, because if they don't, they're gonna they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to face the fact that they've built pretty unsustainable

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<v Speaker 1>businesses even though they're profitable, even though they keep growing.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing that grows forever is cancer the row

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<v Speaker 1>economy and takes growth lust. It isn't new, though. Venture

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<v Speaker 1>capital has been incentivising and monetizing rot for over a decade,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mark andrew's An advocated in twenty eleven that we

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<v Speaker 1>should look to expand the number of innovative new software

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<v Speaker 1>companies created rather than constantly questioning their valuations. Yet just

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<v Speaker 1>a year earlier, in March twenty ten, is partner Ben Horowitz.

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<v Speaker 1>He advocated for fat startups, and I'll link to that

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<v Speaker 1>in the notes, saying that you can't save your way

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<v Speaker 1>to winning the market, and that startup purgatory is when

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<v Speaker 1>you don't go bankrupt, but you fail to build the

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<v Speaker 1>number one product in this space and have zero chance

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<v Speaker 1>of becoming a high growth company, which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>Horowitz described this as worse than startup hell, because you

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<v Speaker 1>are and I quote stuck with the small company, even

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<v Speaker 1>if it's cash flow positive. At the time, this might

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<v Speaker 1>have made sense to them because this mindset made them

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<v Speaker 1>quite rich. Even though there's something inherently abnormal about describing

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<v Speaker 1>being a staple profitable company as being an estate that's

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<v Speaker 1>worse than hell anyway. I want you to take a

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<v Speaker 1>step back in time with me, though, and think about

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<v Speaker 1>how much has changed in the last ten years, fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about it for a second. In twenty ten, it

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<v Speaker 1>felt like we were just making our first steps into

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<v Speaker 1>the digital world. It was still pretty new twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no Instacart. There was no Zoom, no Snapchat,

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<v Speaker 1>no Lyft, no Tinder, no Slack, no Snowflake, no door Dash,

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<v Speaker 1>no TikTok, no Discord, no Coinbase, no Robinhood, and there

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't any Venmo or Zel either. Tesla, Facebook, LinkedIn, Airbnb, Uber, Square, Alassian, Octor,

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<v Speaker 1>Mongo dB, work Day, Palo Alto Networks, Asana, UiPath, Spotify.

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<v Speaker 1>They hadn't even gone public yet. Instagram was still independent,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't part of Facebook yet, and consumer drones they

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't reached, Ubiquity, Voice assistance hadn't even been launched. Full

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<v Speaker 1>Glte Networks they were brand new, and Amazon Web Services,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most profitable things in the world, as

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get to, was on course to make six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars in revenue in twenty ten, which is, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, two point five percent of the twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>billion the AWS on its own made. In the first

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<v Speaker 1>quarter of twenty twenty four, Google and Apple stock prices

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<v Speaker 1>were worth less than a tenth of what they are today.

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<v Speaker 1>An Nvidia A stock now worth over one thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>traded at under three dollars a share. Between two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five and twenty eighteen, we saw this incredible surge

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<v Speaker 1>of innovation and take valuations, and this kind of seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>unstoppable period of growth and big sexy ideas that created big,

0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:02.359
<v Speaker 1>sexier new markets. While applications existed in two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 1>Apples app Store and the perpetual nature of connection that

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<v Speaker 1>we get from smartphones. It consumerized the concept of distinct

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<v Speaker 1>service based apps, as well as the overall concept of

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<v Speaker 1>software ecosystems, which has become a multi trillion dollar philosophical

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<v Speaker 1>and economic force, and it's changed just about everything about

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<v Speaker 1>how we communicate and even do business. It's remarkable and

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<v Speaker 1>also was a new market just sitting there waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>the hardware and software to catch up with it and

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<v Speaker 1>for someone to come up with the idea, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>connecting people digitally through social media, voice, video, and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been central to the hypergrowth cycle, with innovations like

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<v Speaker 1>connectivity and cloud infrastructure allowing multiple companies to carve out

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<v Speaker 1>these one hundred billion and trillion dollar ecosystems. On some level,

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<v Speaker 1>big tech companies could put money through research and development, investment,

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<v Speaker 1>or acquisitions wherever they needed to as a means of

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<v Speaker 1>making the future a reality, and thanks to the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that interest rates were rock bottom and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of private money going into startups, they were never

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<v Speaker 1>really short of cash to do so. At some point,

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<v Speaker 1>hype began to outpace innovation, and while there were new ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>the actual fundamental technology required to actually innovate may not

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<v Speaker 1>actually exist, making a lot of these ideas theoretical and

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<v Speaker 1>so far behind the cart that you may as well

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<v Speaker 1>shoot the horse dead. When Mark Zuckerberg renamed Facebook to

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<v Speaker 1>Meta he told Casey Newton, who by the way, should

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<v Speaker 1>feel nothing but shame for accepting this in good faith,

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<v Speaker 1>that he believed the metaverse was an embodied internet that

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<v Speaker 1>was a persistent, synchronous environment that would resembles social media

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<v Speaker 1>but also be an environment where you're embodied in it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a real quote By the way, this is of

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<v Speaker 1>course total nonsense, a total word salad that will make

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<v Speaker 1>you throw up, conjured up by somebody without any real

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<v Speaker 1>ideas that knows that they won't receive any pushback on

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<v Speaker 1>them anyway, not even from those whose job it is

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<v Speaker 1>to scrutinize the tech industry and ask difficult questions so

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<v Speaker 1>that people don't buy stupid shit anyway. What Zuckerberg had

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<v Speaker 1>actually built, by which for the most part I mean acquired,

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<v Speaker 1>was a half fast virtual world accessed through niche virtual

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<v Speaker 1>reality technology that nobody asked for that already kind of existed,

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<v Speaker 1>that made people sick, and that Meta couldn't actually build.

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<v Speaker 1>And what Mark Zuckerberg wanted to do was built the

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<v Speaker 1>successor to the mobile Internet, in the hopes that quote

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<v Speaker 1>the metaverse would be another hypergrowth industry where people would

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<v Speaker 1>buy land which they didn't, or hang out on mass

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<v Speaker 1>which they didn't, or have meetings which they did not,

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<v Speaker 1>all while sharing data and watching ads served by Meta

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<v Speaker 1>and other companies that Meta could sell ads too. In

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<v Speaker 1>this cynical, horrible version of the future, the Internet, neutral

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<v Speaker 1>standards based and controlled by no single company, would be

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<v Speaker 1>transformed into a platform a feudal system where meta would

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<v Speaker 1>set the rules an exact cut from each engagement, interaction,

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<v Speaker 1>and transaction. It was quite plainly a power grad the

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<v Speaker 1>likes of which the Internet hasn't seen since the bleak

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<v Speaker 1>days of Internet Explorer six and Active X. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know what those are, Microsoft has some evil

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<v Speaker 1>things in the past. The tech, however, it was never there.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Zuckerberg sold everybody on the concept of a ready

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<v Speaker 1>Player one metaverse and putting aside for a second that

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<v Speaker 1>Ready Player one is a poorly written dystopia. This vision

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<v Speaker 1>hinges heavily on the idea of technology that completely immerses

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<v Speaker 1>the user and their senses and makes them feel like

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<v Speaker 1>they're actually in a world which is just insane. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not possible, It's not even close to possible. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about full sensory takeover and the ability to traverse the

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<v Speaker 1>digital world somehow without moving. This would be a revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>both in cloud computing because just the raw data would

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<v Speaker 1>be insane, but also immersive technology. Just what was everyone

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<v Speaker 1>doing accepting this idea, And let's be honest, the reality

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<v Speaker 1>was just so much worse. You had these nausea inducing

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<v Speaker 1>headsets that led you into this horrible, clunky cartoon world

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't fun or practical or useful, and tens of

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<v Speaker 1>billions of dollars of R and D costs developing headsets

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<v Speaker 1>that lose money on every sale. It's just insane. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, Mark Zuckerberg has spent tens of billions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars and I reallyz Sometimes people don't like it when

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<v Speaker 1>I get yelly, and I apologize. But where has the

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<v Speaker 1>thirty billion dollars gone? What has Mark Zuckerberg done with it?

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<v Speaker 1>Where is it going? I don't know. I'm not accusing

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<v Speaker 1>anyone of anything, but the whole thing just feels like

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<v Speaker 1>a con. And Zuckerberg's glossy Metaverse video the first one

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<v Speaker 1>he published when they rebranded Facebook to Meta. It was

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<v Speaker 1>significant in quite a few ways. First of all, the

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<v Speaker 1>most disgusting bullshit I've ever seen a tech company put out,

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<v Speaker 1>just complete lies. But it was also a demonstration of

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<v Speaker 1>the company's future ambitions and directions, and it showed exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what they hoped they could build, And had zucker actually

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<v Speaker 1>done so, I would have said it would have been

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<v Speaker 1>a success, but said success would have been predicated on

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<v Speaker 1>a pace of innovation that we haven't had in over

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<v Speaker 1>a decade or longer. I don't actually know how we

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<v Speaker 1>get to anything close to what Mark Zuckerberg was selling,

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<v Speaker 1>But forty billion dollars later, the metaverse is just nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>near close to existing, and yet he keeps burning cash

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<v Speaker 1>in the hopes that he can get just one more

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<v Speaker 1>hit of hypergrowth. Man, that's all Mark Zuckerberg needs, just

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<v Speaker 1>one more hit. Brother S, gim me a little more growth.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be okay. I swear I won't need any in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. Putting that aside, I really think this is

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<v Speaker 1>why Zuckerberg is so full force on generative AI. He

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<v Speaker 1>shoved it into every meta platform now, regardless of whether

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<v Speaker 1>it does anything useful, whether it's doing anything weird, like

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<v Speaker 1>commenting on a parenting group that it has a gifted

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<v Speaker 1>child and telling parents where to take their kids. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just so weird. And it's the same reason that Sun

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<v Speaker 1>Dhar Pashai and Liz Reader forcing generative AI into Google Search,

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<v Speaker 1>even as it misinforms customers and it's recommending people put

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<v Speaker 1>glue on their pizza and eat rocks, and it's claiming

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<v Speaker 1>that Barack Obama is a Muslim, and it's regurgitating stories

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<v Speaker 1>from the onion as indisputable fact, and it's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>very frustrating. You can hear it in my voice. But

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<v Speaker 1>it all comes down to a simple problem, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the tech industry is getting withdrawal symptoms. They're realizing there

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<v Speaker 1>might not be any massive new markets, they might not

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<v Speaker 1>be another way to create another billion dollar arm of

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<v Speaker 1>a trillion dollar enterprise. And on some level, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that the industry wide alignment around this unprofitable, unsustainable AI

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<v Speaker 1>tool is just proof that they're getting desperate and that

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<v Speaker 1>some of them might be irredeemably washed. Why else would

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Altman spend most of the time talking about what

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<v Speaker 1>AI might do. Why else would Sam Altman talk so

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<v Speaker 1>often about building artificial general intelligence, a thing that, as

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<v Speaker 1>I have mentioned, is totally and utterly possible to build

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<v Speaker 1>with any of the generative AI tech his company makes,

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<v Speaker 1>and likely requires kinds of computing that do not exist. Yet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really frustrating, and the rock com bubble bursting is

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be nasty for bid Tech. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>wash out at least one of these companies, and it

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<v Speaker 1>might take years to happen. But the growth trend is

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<v Speaker 1>reversing every single one of these companies, with a few exceptions,

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<v Speaker 1>I realize, is seeing traffic declines and they're not improving.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps they will find new ways, but where are they

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<v Speaker 1>going to find them? What are the things they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do? What happens when none of this stuff actually

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<v Speaker 1>is the future? What happens when Google Search tells someone

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<v Speaker 1>to actually do something that kills them, how to clean

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<v Speaker 1>up a chemical firing correctly, for example. There are very

0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>real ways that these things are going to hurt people.

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<v Speaker 1>But putting that aside, even if they don't, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to make them the kind of money and get

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<v Speaker 1>them the kind of customers that they need to perpetually

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<v Speaker 1>show perpetual growth. As I said last episode or two

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<v Speaker 1>episodes ago, Facebook is dying, and Facebook's dying because I

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<v Speaker 1>actually believe Mark Zuckerbig is quite innovative about one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>which is he can smell blood in the water, except

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<v Speaker 1>now he can smell his I think Mark Zuckerberg realized

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<v Speaker 1>that this was happening many years before everybody else, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why he pushed the metaverse in twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why he was talking about Web three and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one that was a very very easy year to

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<v Speaker 1>get money, and it was a year when people were

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<v Speaker 1>aggressively buying things, so it was a great time to

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<v Speaker 1>sell new ideas. Also, I think he read Ready Player

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<v Speaker 1>one and he actually liked it, which is so strange.

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<v Speaker 1>But either way, I do think Zuckerberg's an innovator because

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<v Speaker 1>he's realized that the highpergrowth era is over and he's

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<v Speaker 1>really trying to create the next best thing. Now. Notice

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say something good or something useful. That's just

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<v Speaker 1>not in Zuckerberg's DNA, and it's not in Sandhar Peshai

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<v Speaker 1>or Sam Ortmann or sach In Adela's either Microsoft, Amazon, Meta.

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<v Speaker 1>These companies are not innovative anymore because they're no longer

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<v Speaker 1>engineered to be. When the living was free and easy,

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<v Speaker 1>when there were tons of these markets to attack and

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<v Speaker 1>grow and eat shit out the other way and make

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<v Speaker 1>money from, they just needed a management consultant mindset. It

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<v Speaker 1>was growth at all costs. It was growth all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>because all they had to do was throw more money

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<v Speaker 1>at the problem and they'd always keep growing. And to

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<v Speaker 1>their credit, they have been. But mark my words, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to grow forever, and they don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>next trick. They don't have the next one billion user product,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have the next innovation, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to have it for a long time. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is why all of this stuff feels kind of weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's why all of this stuff doesn't seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>solving a need that you or I have, or they

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<v Speaker 1>even a business has, And it's why so often it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like they're pleading with us to believe that this

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<v Speaker 1>is the future. Companies that build useful things that people

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<v Speaker 1>need don't need to talk about what they're build in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. You can see it in the things they're

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<v Speaker 1>selling you today. You could see in the early days

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<v Speaker 1>of cloud computing how you bickered with storage like Dropbox

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<v Speaker 1>or box might have existed. I was us an FTP.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank thank god for drop Box, honestly, but seriously, you

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<v Speaker 1>could see why these things were the future. And in

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<v Speaker 1>the next episode, I'm going to walk you through how

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<v Speaker 1>the tech industries promises no longer actually seem to match

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<v Speaker 1>their ability to build things, and how this desperation that

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<v Speaker 1>I've been discussing shows that we're close to the rock

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