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Speaker 1: Senator Ben Sass, who we love, announcing over the last

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Speaker 2: But anyway, he announced that and he said, I found

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Speaker 2: we're all going to die. I already had a death sentence,

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Speaker 2: And make that as a motivation to do things as

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Well Elon's going to figure that out. How

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Speaker 2: you can download them into a computer chip or something.

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Speaker 1: Download your soul? Hey, honey, where'd that the word? I

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Speaker 1: it was in the top drawer. Oh no, we cleaned

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Speaker 1: out the top drawer. We threw it in the garbage.

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Speaker 2: Oh, remind me tomorrow to tell the story about throwing

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Speaker 2: making the Hispanic maids dig through the garbage. I'll have

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Speaker 2: to tell that story in the air.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow on the art I'm going to write a song

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Speaker 1: about it. It's a protest song. Joe. Why don't you

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Speaker 1: going to make a YouTube channel or show about you

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Speaker 1: making Birdhouse?

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Speaker 2: But you do it all wrong?

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right.

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Speaker 2: We had a naked I thought that was part of

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Speaker 1: What now it was just completely wrong all the time.

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Speaker 2: And join me again.

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Speaker 1: I would get to the end and every time it'd

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Speaker 2: God, I suck at this anyway, See you next. Uh well,

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