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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show starts.

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Speaker 2: Now, and I think this is creemore Tomorrow's may Your

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Speaker 2: argument is about your executive or trying to get rid

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Speaker 2: of birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 3: And I'm going You're going to go.

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Speaker 4: I do believe because I have listened to this argument

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Speaker 4: for so.

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Speaker 5: Long, you will be the first president in history to

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Speaker 5: sit and listen to an oral argument. This is about

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Speaker 5: birthright citizenship. On day one of his second term, he

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Speaker 5: signed an executive.

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Speaker 6: Order that said this is no more.

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Speaker 5: And it's been going up through the courts and now

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Speaker 5: today the oral argument will be heard starting at ten o'clock.

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Speaker 5: This has never happened before.

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Speaker 7: How much of the debates around the fourteenth Amendment had

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Speaker 7: anything to do with immigration.

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Speaker 8: The principal focus of those debates it.

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Speaker 9: Has to do really not with immigrants, but with the

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Speaker 9: Indian troups. I mean, obviously, the main goal that one

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Speaker 9: pervading purpose of this court set in the slaughterhouse cases

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Speaker 9: was to astat was the citizenship with the freed slaves

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Speaker 9: and their children.

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Speaker 10: But they were very.

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Speaker 9: Concerned about the problem of something that they all accepted

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Speaker 9: as a given, which is that the children of tribal

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Speaker 9: Indians are not within.

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Speaker 10: The rule of birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 9: So I think that's what they focus, and we draw

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Speaker 9: an analogy to that to the issue of temporary sojournals.

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Speaker 9: And then but there are mentions of temporary sojourneying multiple

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Speaker 9: places in the congressional debates.

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Speaker 10: And all of those quotes go in our direction.

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Speaker 11: Your view of this turns on what the status of

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Speaker 11: the parents are, and not the child, as would the

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Speaker 11: born in the United States view a bit, How can

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Speaker 11: you help us understand why we wouldn't expect to see

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Speaker 11: a mention of parents in the text of this amendment.

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Speaker 9: I think it's well understood that, for example, children cannot

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Speaker 9: newborns cannot form.

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Speaker 12: Domicile stations that they had in mind when they adopted

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Speaker 12: the general rule. Or do we say they adopted a

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Speaker 12: general rule, they meant that to apply to later applications

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Speaker 12: that might come up. Justice Scale ahead an example that

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Speaker 12: dealt with this situation. He imagined an old theft statute

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Speaker 12: that was it acted well before anybody conceived of a

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Speaker 12: microwave oven. And then afterwards someone is charged with the

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Speaker 12: crime of stealing a microwave oven. And this fellow says, well,

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Speaker 12: I can't be convicted under this because the microwave oven

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Speaker 12: didn't exist at that time, and he dismissed that there's

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Speaker 12: a general rule there and you'll apply it to future applications.

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Speaker 12: And what we're dealing with here is something that was

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Speaker 12: basically unknown at the time when the fourteenth Amendment was adopted,

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Speaker 12: which is illegal immigration.

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Speaker 9: But Congress used the term not subject to any foreign

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Speaker 9: power in the Civil Rights Act of eighteen sixty six.

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Speaker 9: It rejected the British conception of allegiance. Senator trump Will

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Speaker 9: explained that subject to the jurisdiction there Revin, the clause

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Speaker 9: means not owing allegiance to anybody else. Teen eighty four,

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Speaker 9: this Court recognized that subject of the jurisdiction means owing

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Speaker 9: direct and immediate allegiance. The clause thus does not extend

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Speaker 9: citizenship to the children of temporary visa holders are illegal aliens.

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Speaker 9: Unlike the newly freed slaves, those visitors lack direct and

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Speaker 9: immediate allegiance to the United States. Legal aliens lack the

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Speaker 9: legal capacity to establish domicile.

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Speaker 8: Here the problem of birth tourism. Here's the fact about

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Speaker 8: it that I think is striking.

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Speaker 9: The media reported as early as twenty fifteen that, based

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Speaker 9: on Chinese media reports there are five hundred five hundred

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Speaker 9: birth tourism companies in the People's Republic of China, who's

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Speaker 9: what business is to bring people here to give birth

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Speaker 9: and return to to that nation. Their interpretation has these

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Speaker 9: implications that could not possibly have been approved by the

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Speaker 9: nineteenth century framers of this amendment. I think that shows

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Speaker 9: that they made a mess and their interpretation has made

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Speaker 9: a mess of the provision.

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Speaker 8: How does this work?

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Speaker 11: Are you suggesting that when a baby is born people

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Speaker 11: have to have documents, present documents? Is this happening in

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Speaker 11: the delivery room? How are we determining when or whether

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Speaker 11: a new born child is a citizen of the United States?

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Speaker 11: Your rule turns on whether the person intended to stay

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Speaker 11: in the United States. And I think Justice Barrett brought

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Speaker 11: this up. So we're bringing pregnant women in for depositions.

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Speaker 11: What are we doing to figure this out?

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Speaker 4: And if you take a look at when it was filed,

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Speaker 4: all of this legislation, all of this everything having to

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Speaker 3: It was at the end of the Civil War.

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Speaker 4: The reason was it had to do with the babies

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Speaker 4: of slaves and the protection of the babies of slaves.

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Speaker 13: Go, all right, Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. April first,

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Speaker 13: April Fool's Day. April Fool's Day. Welcome Blake.

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Speaker 14: You we're hearing you know, it's a fitting day because

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Speaker 14: we're have we have to find out how many fools

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Speaker 14: are on the United.

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Speaker 15: States Supreme War.

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Speaker 13: We're about to find out. Obviously, the Supreme Court is

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Speaker 13: hearing arguments over birthright citizenship, something we think is stupid

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Speaker 13: and not at all what the Fourteenth Amendment prescribes, especially

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Speaker 13: children for illegals. It was written children's like Chinese oligarchs,

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Speaker 13: yep CCP infiltrators. The fact that we even have to

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Speaker 13: have this argument, and it seems like the Court justices

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Speaker 13: are skeptical of the government's case is amazing to me.

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Speaker 13: But we're going to break it all down with Will

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Speaker 13: Chamberlain from the article three project. You can follow him

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Speaker 13: on x A great follow will welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 13: Good to believe you've been paying close attention this morning,

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Speaker 13: and I think it's safe to say Blake is already

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Speaker 13: dooming over here. What do you make of it? I'm

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Speaker 13: hearing I'm hearing mixed results, so I want to hear

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Speaker 13: your tike because you've been playing paying close attention.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think it may have been made sense

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Speaker 2: to doom if you were just listening to the justices

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Speaker 2: questions of John Souer. But I think I think there's

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Speaker 2: a reason for optimism having listened to the justices questions

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Speaker 2: of Cecilia Wang, who's the ACLU legal director and the

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Speaker 2: person arguing for the respondents in this case. She's getting

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Speaker 2: a series of very tough questions and not handling them.

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Speaker 16: Particularly well in my view.

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Speaker 2: And I think the basic problem that the respondents have

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Speaker 2: to deal with is that this important clause not subject

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Speaker 2: to the jurisdiction thereof, has a kind of natural meaning

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Speaker 2: that's pretty well understood at the time, that it doesn't

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Speaker 2: include people with allegiance to a foreign power, or rather

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Speaker 2: primarily just the foreign power, and that it only includes

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Speaker 2: people who are domiciled in the United States, And basically

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Speaker 2: the respondent's way of dealing with this because they can

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Speaker 2: see there are these exceptions obviously, the exception for American Indians,

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Speaker 2: the exception for foreign diplomats, the exception for children of invaders.

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Speaker 2: But she basically says that's just a closed set of exceptions.

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Speaker 2: There's no further exceptions that could possibly be acceptable. You know,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty years later and the justices are

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Speaker 2: pointing out it's like, well, but they didn't create a

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Speaker 2: list of exceptions when they wrote the fourteenth Amendment. As written,

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Speaker 2: they included this phrase as a general rule, meaning that

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Speaker 2: if you know you're born here and not subject to

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Speaker 2: the jurisdiction thereof of another country, then you're a citizen.

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Speaker 2: Then you're entitled the birthright citizenship. And she's just she's

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Speaker 2: she's struggling, Honestly, she doesn't have a good explanation for

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Speaker 2: why that general rule is just only applies to these

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Speaker 2: three closed exceptions and then doesn't have any analogies that

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so blake your reaction to that, because I guess

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Speaker 13: it's just.

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Speaker 14: Though I'm glad that there's more reasons for hope with

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Speaker 14: these unfolding arguments with the opposition case. But I guess

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Speaker 14: you know, I have some friends who have actually who

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Speaker 14: have been Supreme Court clerks in the past, and they're

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Speaker 14: watching this and they're they're being among the most pessimistic.

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Speaker 14: And I trust them a lot because they're no one

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Speaker 14: actually know the justices, and they say what they're very

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Speaker 14: worried about, For example, is that I say that Amy Cony,

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Speaker 14: Barrett and Justice Gorsich are asking questions that specifically point

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Speaker 14: towards having constitutional problems with this, and they were saying

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Speaker 14: from the start that they thought our best hope was

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Speaker 14: that they might take a narrower approach where they would

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Speaker 14: rule this is just statutory. Our laws actually require birthright

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Speaker 14: and so on, and they just seem they just feel

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Speaker 14: like the way those swing justices are taking their questions

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Speaker 14: is not good for us.

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Speaker 2: Well, so I actually don't think I think that your

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Speaker 2: there's the constitutional provision of the fourteenth Amendment that says

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Speaker 2: not subject to the jurisdiction of it. And then there's

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Speaker 2: a statute I don't remember it when it was pasted

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Speaker 2: violates the statute, but then not the Constitution itself. But

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Speaker 2: that is it's a kind of bizarre way of approaching

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Speaker 2: generally when a congressional statute mimics the exact language of

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Speaker 2: trying to get a new understanding of what that means,

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Speaker 2: you're going to effectively be interpreting both. And the new

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so we have this Indian clause, right, or this

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Speaker 13: this argument around Indian citizenship, right, they Indians. For those

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Speaker 13: granted citizenship until the nineteen twenties there was actually an

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Speaker 13: Act of Congress that bestowed upon Indian's citizenship. Explain for

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Speaker 13: why it's become such a central focus of both sides of.

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Speaker 2: It, so a big part of Democrats or essentially the

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Speaker 2: respondence idea here the people who are saying birthright citizenship

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Speaker 2: should apply to anybody born here is a very broad

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Speaker 2: view of what it means to be subject to the

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Speaker 2: jurisdiction thereof. Basically, they're saying, well, you know, everybody is

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Speaker 2: And when we think about jurisdiction in terms of modern

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Speaker 2: legal conceptions, like that's what jurisdiction means, like the court

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Speaker 2: courts have the right to bring you into court and

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Speaker 2: you know, hold you accountable if you commit crimes. Therefore,

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Speaker 2: in some sense you're subject to the jurisdiction thereof. But

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Speaker 2: the idea is, if that's the way to understand the

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Speaker 2: language of the fourteenth Amendment, that would mean that American

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Speaker 2: Indians should have been granted citizenship by the Fourteenth Amendment,

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Speaker 2: and that wasn't the case, right, there was you know,

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Speaker 2: everybody understood when they were enacting the fourteenth Amendment that

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Speaker 2: it didn't cover the children of American Indians, even if

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Speaker 2: those children were born outside of Indian reservation, right, So

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Speaker 2: it didn't cover them. So I think it's not just

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Speaker 2: about where you're physically born, it's about your parentage too.

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Speaker 2: And if that's true, then that obviously means that legal

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Speaker 2: the children of illegal aliens could theoretically be denied citizenship.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so it was a question of allegiance. Who do

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Speaker 13: Will that what's hinging on this interpretation?

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Speaker 16: Right?

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Speaker 2: So, basically respondents are trying to say that the American

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Speaker 2: Question about how if that actually makes sense, because you know,

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't that case only applies and only binds

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Speaker 13: More with Will Chamberlain here. Will, So you are you

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Speaker 13: hearing anything from your sources at the Supreme Court the clerks?

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Speaker 13: Are you hearing you know anything? At this point? Because

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Speaker 13: Blake's you know, he's hearing negative. It's I'm not mad

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Speaker 2: I don't have sources of the Submarine Corps telling me anything.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately I love, but I don't have them telling me anything.

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Speaker 13: All right, So, Wan Kim RK, I actually disagree with

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Speaker 13: those vestiges of having a racially bifurcated system of laws. Right,

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Speaker 13: So they were trying to carve out, in my opinion

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Speaker 13: with Wan Kim RK, citizenship for children of legal permanent residents. Okay,

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Speaker 13: they were Chinese, the parents were Chinese. They were not

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Speaker 13: But listen, we're not arguing that right now. Before the

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Speaker 13: Supreme Court were saying children of illegals birthright citizenship for illegals. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so I mean one kim is and neither

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Speaker 2: Like there was a whole interesting discussion of what was

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Speaker 16: So that's that's the idea there.

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Speaker 2: And you know, interestingly, like the way that Secilia Wong

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Speaker 16: Result of this case.

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Speaker 2: There's walkmark requires that you give citizenship to basically anybody

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Speaker 2: end of it. And Justice cabin actually oponent out in

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Speaker 2: Wankamart means. And they're not calling it for it to

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Speaker 2: be overturned. And so the end your that's the decision

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Speaker 2: you'd have us give. We could give a two page

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Speaker 2: a bad sign for the person making that argument. Justice

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Speaker 2: Thomas has pointed this out. Supreme Court doesn't take easy cases,

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Speaker 2: that's not that. And if they do, they take them

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Speaker 2: not suisponte, sorry, but like a procureum opinion without hearing argument.

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Speaker 16: People suggest it. It requires some real difficulties.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think the Court agrees with the respond

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Speaker 2: it's interpretation of Quan kim Ark, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: a big problem for them because if the Court doesn't agree,

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Speaker 2: Is really quite central, like does it is it? Does

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Speaker 2: like it is straight up insane to if you were

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Speaker 2: that said, the people who break your immigration law, their

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Speaker 14: So let's assume they at least get away from total

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Speaker 14: birthright citizenship. What do you think are obviously we would

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Speaker 2: I think the best case for like a split the

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Speaker 16: So the idea would.

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Speaker 2: Be that they could make a ruling that says, Congress,

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Speaker 2: you know you're allowed to make a rule banning Chinese

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Speaker 2: birth tourism or not recognizing the children of people you

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Speaker 2: and then who immediately left, right, They might say that

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Speaker 13: But what about like the Guatemalan that is, you know,

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Speaker 16: And I think that, I mean, that's the right.

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Speaker 2: The thing is that I don't think that would be

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Speaker 2: sort of an interesting, you know, cross application to the

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Speaker 16: Don't well recognize.

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Speaker 13: General Sauer actually touches on this point.

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Speaker 16: Here.

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Speaker 13: We have a clip sought four.

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Speaker 9: Age twenty eight ninety the Congressional record from eighteen sixty six.

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Speaker 9: Senator Cowan gives this viriulinly racist statement where he says

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Speaker 9: we can't have children of Gypsies, children of Chinese immigrants,

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Speaker 9: we can't have them become citizens. And he says, quote,

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Speaker 9: have they any more rights than a sojourner in the

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Speaker 9: powerful evidence there that everybody understood this to you know,

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Speaker 13: Just like a quick aside like General Sower's voice is

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Speaker 16: It was one of the best points of the day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And because I think that was I'd forget who

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Speaker 2: that blows up the entire theory of the case of

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Speaker 2: the ACLU, who says that there are only these narrow,

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Speaker 13: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean Senator Howard, during the debates over

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Speaker 13: It's so, I mean, lawyers will lawyers. Yeah, I just

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Speaker 14: Tell it over the feeling we might just be stuck with.

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Speaker 14: They'll make like a soft hearted decision because it's mean.

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Speaker 13: To Yeah, they're gonna try and still as the baby.

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Speaker 13: I actually I actually agree. I think that's what Roberts

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Speaker 13: you sir, keep on this. We might have you back

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Speaker 13: soon just to kind of break it all down again

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Speaker 7: Great, great to be with you guys. Again, Sorry about

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Speaker 7: the long titles, but that's the way I can life is.

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Speaker 13: Exch You got to have like the name of the

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Speaker 13: it's located, you know, and you guys have multiple titles.

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Speaker 13: We're talking about birthright citizenship though, so I don't know

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Speaker 13: if you listened the oral arguments. We kind of got

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Speaker 13: granular in the first couple segments going through these. But

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Speaker 13: let's go ahead and play a clip from the oral arguments,

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Speaker 13: because I think there are deeper historical truths that you

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Speaker 13: could help unpack here. And so let's just go with

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Speaker 13: sought one. And this is going back to Civil Rights Act,

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Speaker 13: which was passed right after the Civil War.

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Speaker 17: Sought one, Most of your brief is not about illegal aliens.

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Speaker 17: Most of your brief is about people who are just

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Speaker 17: temporarily in the country where there was quite clearly an

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Speaker 17: experience of an understanding of that there were going to

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Speaker 17: be temporary inhabitants. And your whole theory of the case

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Speaker 17: is built on that group. You must be saying that

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Speaker 17: there is a principle that was there at the time

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Speaker 17: of the fourteenth Amendment.

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Speaker 9: We agree there's a principle there at the fourteenth Amendment.

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Speaker 9: It is the jurisdiction means allegiance, the allegiance of a

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Speaker 9: and this very strongly reflected in the nineteenth century sources.

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Speaker 9: The allegiance of an alien president in other country is

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Speaker 9: determined by domicile and that goes back to the vis

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Speaker 9: and the Pizarro. It goes through the Katsa Fair in

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Speaker 9: eighteen fifty three. It comes right up to Fong Ui

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Speaker 9: Tanting and Lao Aobu that are decided shortly before Wong

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Speaker 9: Kim RK So that's the principle.

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Speaker 8: That principle clearly applies.

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Speaker 13: So we're talking about yeah, so you're laughing, what does

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Speaker 13: happen there? Yeah? What does happen there?

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Speaker 3: So a couple of key things.

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Speaker 7: First of all, just by way of context, right, this

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Speaker 7: is the sentences clause of the fourteenth Amendment, which has

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Speaker 7: passed after the Civil War to grant citizenship to former slaves,

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Speaker 7: the freedmen, and their children.

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Speaker 3: That amendment grows out.

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Speaker 7: Of the Civil Rights Active eighteen sixty six and the comparisons.

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Speaker 7: But then we're absolutely key because the people who sponsored

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Speaker 7: that Civil Rights Act and the people who wrote the

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Speaker 7: citizenship clause of the.

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Speaker 3: Constitucial Amendment, the fourth Men are the same people.

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Speaker 7: And indeed they're often they're quoted, and there are lots

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Speaker 7: of quotes, and they have lots to say. They don't

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Speaker 7: necessary clarify everything exactly the way we would want today,

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Speaker 7: but they do clarify it quite a bit. So that's

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Speaker 7: one thing. So they worked through the eighteen sixty six acts.

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Speaker 7: That's a definitive legislative history that affects the civil rights,

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Speaker 7: that affects the Constitutional Amendment.

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Speaker 3: So that's one point.

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Speaker 7: The second point, which comes of this question is people

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Speaker 7: who are temporarily illegally all these different categories. That's important

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Speaker 7: to keep in mind here because there are all sorts

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Speaker 7: of different things, some of which apply, some which don't apply.

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Speaker 3: They're being debated.

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Speaker 7: But we want to see through that to the key question,

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Speaker 7: which is really found in the answer that comes back,

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Speaker 7: which is the key language in the decision.

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Speaker 3: Clause of the fourth Moon is jurisdiction. So just to.

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Speaker 7: Remind us that opening line of the fourteenth Amendment says

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Speaker 7: that all persons born and naturalized in the United States,

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Speaker 7: and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the

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Speaker 7: United States and of the state wherein they reside. There's

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Speaker 7: no disagreement here about the first part. In the last part,

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Speaker 7: all persons born and naturalized in the United States. We

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Speaker 7: kind of what that means to be born and to

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Speaker 7: be naturalized, to go through the naturalization process. But the key,

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Speaker 7: the other thing here is there's this other clause and

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Speaker 7: subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean?

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Speaker 7: Clearly it's not there for no good reason and suggests

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Speaker 7: that it's this and that there are two requirements here.

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Speaker 3: So jurisdiction is key. That's what they're debating.

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Speaker 7: The eighteen sixty six Civil Rights Act goes straight to

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Speaker 7: that because they talk about jurisdiction and they say, what

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Speaker 7: it means is that you have full and complete allegiance

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Speaker 7: political allegiance to.

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Speaker 3: This country and not someone else.

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Speaker 7: So the debate is, does jurisdiction mean, oh, I abide

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Speaker 7: by the stop signs meaning local kind of just kind

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Speaker 7: of jurisdiction of live here, or does it actually have

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Speaker 7: subsident of meaning. Because if it does have subsidence meaning,

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Speaker 7: which is what the executive or in this case is claiming,

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Speaker 7: then the various steps along the way and the cases

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Speaker 7: can be re read that way. They do make minor

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Speaker 7: distinctions here and there, but generally speaking they hold up

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Speaker 7: that argument and that's a consistent one. But what it

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Speaker 7: does mean is that someone who's simply born here is

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Speaker 7: not a automatically as citizen.

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Speaker 3: This jurisdiction question really does matter.

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Speaker 13: You know. It's interesting, actually, if you look at the language,

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Speaker 13: there's that comma between the first part of the clause

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Speaker 13: or the first clause and the second clause, and half

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Speaker 13: of me is inclined to believe that if there just

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Speaker 13: wasn't a comma there, this would be so much, because

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Speaker 13: I read it, and to your point, it's very very clear.

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Speaker 13: It says all persons born or naturalized in the States

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Speaker 13: and subjects to the jurisdiction thereof meaning that they were

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Speaker 13: just together, I just but they separate them so they

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Speaker 13: take you could fit the first clause or the second

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Speaker 13: clause and be a citizenship or be a citizen. But

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Speaker 13: to your point, the historical precedent and what we where

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Speaker 13: this language is derived from, clears it up even better.

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Speaker 13: I would say the language of the Civil Rights Act

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Speaker 13: is much stronger in some ways.

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Speaker 3: No, that's right.

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Speaker 7: And so the question then becomes, well, when they passed

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Speaker 7: to the amendment where they intentionally broadening the language of

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Speaker 7: the Civil Rights Act to mean anything, well, then if

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Speaker 7: they wanted to do that, they should just drop the

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Speaker 7: clause entirely and not kept it in there. And indeed,

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Speaker 7: during the debate of the Civil Rights Act, there are

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Speaker 7: various times in which their amendments made to clarify well

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Speaker 7: except for this, except for this, and the answer was

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Speaker 7: they didn't pass those amendments.

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Speaker 3: You can find no language.

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Speaker 7: In the debate or the eighteen to sixty six Civil

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Speaker 7: Rights Act that says everyone who was born here is

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Speaker 7: a US citizen that wasn't that was not the issue.

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Speaker 7: It impossible to make that claim. So the claim then

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Speaker 7: is are the argument then is that, Okay, how can

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Speaker 7: we read this somehow to support birthright citizenship. The argument,

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Speaker 7: my argument, which I think is the argument behind the

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Speaker 7: executive order and the argument that many have been making

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Speaker 7: for some time now, is that the idea of birthright

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Speaker 7: citizenship that we all assume that you come here, you're born,

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Speaker 7: you your automatically American citizen. That is an aberration. That's

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Speaker 7: not the legal history. That's not the constitutional history. That's

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Speaker 7: also not the Supreme Court history, and it's just something

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Speaker 7: that's kind of come into being, which means that unless

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Speaker 7: Congress does something. One thing we should note here is

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Speaker 7: the section five or the fourth minute says Congress can

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Speaker 7: pass legislation, but they have not done so, and until

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Speaker 7: they do so in the meantime, because with the confusion,

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Speaker 7: this is exactly the conditions in which a present would

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Speaker 7: exist issue in Executive Order determining a policy until Congress

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Speaker 7: acts the policy the United States is this, and that's

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Speaker 7: exactly what he's doing, I think powerfully are clearly based

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Speaker 7: on the existing history tradition support Supreme Court decisions and

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Speaker 7: trying to find a way that gets around a lot

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Speaker 7: of the confusion which is out there on this particular subject.

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Speaker 14: I just so, I feel like one reason a lot

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Speaker 14: of us have gotten hope on Supreme Court cases is

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Speaker 14: we currently have a justice on the Court who's like

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Speaker 14: so off putting and so sort of dim that it

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Speaker 14: drives a lot of the justices away. We saw that

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Speaker 14: with Katanji Brown Jackson's ruling yesterday in the conversion therapy case,

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Speaker 14: where even Sodamior and Kagan are bashing her and saying

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Speaker 14: she doesn't understand the law. Well, we're getting some of

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Speaker 14: that today. We're getting some very memorable jacksonisms about the law.

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Speaker 14: I want to play one of those. Let's play SOT eleven.

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Speaker 8: How does this work?

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Speaker 11: Are you suggesting that when a baby is born people

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Speaker 11: have to have documents, present documents? Is this happening in

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Speaker 11: the delivery room? How are we determining when or whether

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Speaker 11: a newborn child is a citizen of the United States.

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Speaker 11: Your rule turns on whether the person intended to stay

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Speaker 11: in the United States. And I think Justice Barrett brought

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Speaker 11: this up. So we're bringing pregnant women in for depositions.

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Speaker 11: What are we doing to figure this out?

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Speaker 14: Like it's just this idea birth certificate?

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Speaker 15: What's that I've never heard of this?

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Speaker 14: I feel like we have to hope that that sort

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Speaker 14: of argument, maybe it can make the justices realize, wait,

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Speaker 14: the position we're on the brink of endorsing is insane,

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Speaker 14: like it is built on insane premises?

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Speaker 15: Or am I just am I trying to find some

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Speaker 15: hope spot here?

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Speaker 3: No doubt?

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Speaker 7: Well, I don't know who part part of the Supreme

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Speaker 7: Court is predicting where they're going to go with these things,

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Speaker 7: and it's almost virtually impossible nowadays to do so. But

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Speaker 7: having said that, you're you're onto something and picking up

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Speaker 7: a certain absurdity in that line of question. The distinction here,

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Speaker 7: if I could use because some older language, is a

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Speaker 7: distinction between kind of you know, citizenship by soil or

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Speaker 7: citizenship by blood. The old notion think backed in the

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Speaker 7: kings of England in feudalism and whatnot, is if you

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Speaker 7: are born in the king's soil, you're the king's subject.

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Speaker 7: That's actually ourn for birthright citizenship. The argument for Republican government,

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Speaker 7: I eat the United States is birth by blood which

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Speaker 7: is say that, in lacking all the documentations she might

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Speaker 7: require for a full eighteen year old person going to

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Speaker 7: vote or something, the default is their parents, which is,

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Speaker 7: say to whom are their parents subject? So if they're

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Speaker 3: That's the distinction that I think draws. I've surred to it.

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Speaker 12: A person's domicile is the place where he or she

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Speaker 12: intends to make a permanent hall. There are people who

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Speaker 12: are subject to removal at any time if they are

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Speaker 12: apprehended and they go through the proper procedures, but they

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Speaker 12: have in their minds made a permanent home. Here talk

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Speaker 12: about the legal capacity to create a domicile excluding someone

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Speaker 12: who may have the subjective intent, which otherwise would be

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Speaker 12: determinative as being excluded. On the humanitarian point, I would

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Speaker 12: point out, as I said at the beginning Justice Alito,

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Speaker 12: that the United States rule of nearly unrestricted birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 10: Is an outlier among modern nations.

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Speaker 9: Every nation in Europe has a different role in the

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Speaker 9: notion that they have a huge humanitarian crisis as a

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Speaker 9: result of not having unrestricted birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 10: I don't think is a strong argument.

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Speaker 13: So nations that have repealed birthright citizenship since nineteen eighty

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Speaker 13: doctor Matt Spaulding. Australia got rid of it in two

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Speaker 13: thousand and seven, New Zealand got rid of it in

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Speaker 13: two thousand and five, Ireland two thousand and five, France

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Speaker 13: nineteen ninety three, India got rid of it in nineteen

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Speaker 13: eighty seven, the UK nineteen eighty three, Portugal nineteen eighty one. Right,

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Speaker 13: give us a history lesson of where this even came from,

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Speaker 13: because it was really popular in the New World to

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Speaker 13: try it, and you know, you know, import will attract

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Speaker 13: new New Europeans.

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Speaker 7: Thing think even broader than that. I kind of made

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Speaker 7: reference with it being in our last session. The old

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Speaker 7: notion of how one became a citizen is you took

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Speaker 7: on the citizenship. They didn't even use the word citizenship.

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Speaker 7: You were a subject. You took on the subjectship if

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Speaker 7: you will, of your king. So if you're born on

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Speaker 7: the king sail, you're a subject to the king. It's

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Speaker 7: it's feutial it's feudalism America and the rise of republican

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Speaker 7: governments changed that. Now we had two things going on

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Speaker 7: in America. One is we needed population, so we were

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Speaker 7: encouraging and we were very broad on our immigration policies

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Speaker 7: because we were going to grow the nation and have

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Speaker 7: more citizens. Although even then, from the very beginning, we

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Speaker 7: were careful on who we encouraged, and if you came here,

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Speaker 7: you had to work hard and you had to learn

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Speaker 7: to be an American.

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Speaker 3: It was very important.

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Speaker 7: But the other point, and those that Clippy has showed

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Speaker 7: kind of starts getting to this question, is what's been

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Speaker 7: going on since then is around the world feudalism has

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Speaker 7: died out and kind of republican or democratic republics have

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Speaker 7: been spreading more so, more and more countries have been

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Speaker 7: getting a birthrights citizenship.

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Speaker 3: And yet here we are the parent.

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Speaker 7: If you will, of modern republican government and democratic republicanism.

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Speaker 3: We're trying, We're sticking with birthrights. It's just exactly backwards.

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Speaker 7: But the other point I want to make is that

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Speaker 7: this question of consent, the essence of the of the

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Speaker 7: American principle is consent based on all men being great

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Speaker 7: equal to the Declaration of Independence.

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Speaker 3: But consent has some tells us something.

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Speaker 7: About how our immigration laws should operate, which is say,

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Speaker 7: it has to be reciprocal. Someone has to want to

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Speaker 7: come here. Okay, that's part of it. But you can't

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Speaker 7: come here on your own and make yourself or your

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Speaker 7: child an American citizen. What you need to do is

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Speaker 7: get reciprocal and consent, which is that we consent to

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Speaker 7: becoming a citizen. And that's done how through our laws,

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Speaker 7: which the executive is empowered to enforce. And with a

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Speaker 7: lack of laws, he needs to figure out some sort

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Speaker 7: of policy against his executive order.

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Speaker 3: But there is a process.

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Speaker 18: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And the problem is that, of all the places in

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Speaker 7: the world, why are we somehow claiming a right, a

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Speaker 7: fundamental right that the Supreme Court should be able to

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Speaker 7: dictate on something that, by all standards, all historical standards,

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Speaker 7: and increase them by more and more countries around the world,

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Speaker 7: is understood to be the lawful right of a sovereign

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Speaker 7: country to control its own citizenship. It can have a

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Speaker 7: broad policy, it can have a narrow policy. It can

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Speaker 7: allow this, it can allow that. But it's the decision

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Speaker 7: of those that are here who consent to the law

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Speaker 7: to welcome other people in and then have requirements you

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Speaker 7: have to get pass the citizenship tests, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 7: We can grant a special rights for those that are

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Speaker 7: purscued if we choose this policy really is it is

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Speaker 7: truly an aberration. As we said in that clip, this

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Speaker 7: is not the norm at all when it comes to

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Speaker 7: Republican government.

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Speaker 14: It's just I feel like, honestly, if we want to

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Speaker 14: take the biggest thing, as we said, nations are repealing this,

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Speaker 14: and I think we should remind people of what the

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Speaker 14: stakes of this are. What we've seen happen because of

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Speaker 14: this ridiculous interpretation of the law we have. I believe

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Speaker 14: they actually mentioned it during the oral arguments. There are

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Speaker 14: something like eight hun hundred companies in China offering birth

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Speaker 14: tourism to the Chinese.

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Speaker 13: We have this clip, Yes, sought eight.

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Speaker 15: Let's play that. Let's play sought eight.

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Speaker 3: Problem of birth tourism.

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Speaker 8: Here's the facts about it that I think is striking.

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Speaker 9: Media reported as early as twenty fifteen that, based on

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Speaker 9: Chinese media reports, there are five hundred, five hundred birth

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Speaker 9: tourism companies in the People's Republic of China. Who's what

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Speaker 9: business is to bring people here to give birth and

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Speaker 9: return to to that nation. Their interpretation has these implications

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Speaker 9: that could not possibly have been approved by the nineteenth

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Speaker 9: century framers.

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Speaker 10: Of this amendment.

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Speaker 9: I think that shows that they made a mess, and

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Speaker 9: their interpretation has made a mess.

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Speaker 3: In the provision.

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Speaker 13: It's over. So some estimates have it at a one

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Speaker 13: point five million Chinese residents that live in China are

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Speaker 13: American citizens. In theory, they could vote in our elections.

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Speaker 14: In our elections, but also move here, immediately, get taxpayer

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Speaker 14: funded college, immediately qualify for every program that we rigged

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Speaker 14: that you can, sam, I bet there's guides on how

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Speaker 14: to do that.

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Speaker 15: Set up your own daycare while you go to college here.

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Speaker 7: Think more broadly for a minute, people would have a

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Speaker 7: broader narrow view of immigration policy. I tend to think

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Speaker 7: it's to be more narrow and more selective. Having said that,

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Speaker 7: there can be a broader ray opinions. We're a free country.

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Speaker 7: The questions who controls that policy? And in a government

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Speaker 7: a country based in the rule of law, we control

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Speaker 7: that policy. That's what it means to be a free,

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Speaker 7: self governing people. The birth tourism problem, coming especially from

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Speaker 7: place like China, and I'm sure others come here for

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Speaker 7: the same reason. Knowingly doing this is to establish citizenship,

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Speaker 7: which gives them certain rights claims. They might be thinking

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Speaker 7: about getting other benefits and whatnot. But I can tell

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Speaker 7: you from the point of view China, it's a strategic question.

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Speaker 7: They I foreign countries are trying to determine our policies,

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Speaker 7: and the more they can have people who can claim

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Speaker 7: to come and go as they choose in and out

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Speaker 7: of the country because they're inns uh in the future

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Speaker 7: uh renounced to their benefits. So it is a large

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Speaker 7: strategic problem. But ultimately it's this larger moral constitutional question.

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Speaker 7: Who controls who is an American? Is that a right

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Speaker 7: in and of itself for anybody in the world, or

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Speaker 7: is it a right and a privilege which we understand

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Speaker 7: and control by our laws.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what's an issue.

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Speaker 13: Here, Doctor Matt Spaulding of Hillsdale College. You're you're in

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Speaker 13: d C. So I'm sure it's all the all the

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Speaker 13: chatter uh in the in the in the city today

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Speaker 13: and uh we we we pity you for having to

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Speaker 13: live there, but we're grateful that you do so with

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Speaker 13: a clear mind and common sense. Which is which is

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Speaker 13: a rare virtue in that part.

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Speaker 7: So it's it's, it's, it's it's not clear to me

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Speaker 7: what the Supreme Court will do. They can always come

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Speaker 7: up with different little twists and turns here and there.

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Speaker 7: But having said that, if they're to follow the history

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Speaker 7: of the Civil Rights Act, if they follow the history

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Speaker 7: of their own decisions, wal kim ark this case, it's always

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Speaker 7: mentioned he was a permanent citizen. The executive order makes

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Speaker 7: room for precise to that condition.

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Speaker 13: Permanent resident if they follow them, perfect.

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Speaker 3: Resident, if they follow that.

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Speaker 7: There is an argument here, and there's an answer which

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Speaker 7: I think can be found consistent with the Constitution and

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Speaker 7: good policy.

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Speaker 13: Hillsdale College, it's the best. Thank you, doctor Spalding.

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Speaker 3: Thank you great being with you guys again.

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Speaker 19: Always good to see you, Ah Hey, look some exciting

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Speaker 19: times and exciting stuff coming from meos Man.

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Speaker 13: It's great stuff, Terrence.

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Speaker 21: As I mentioned the promo, there's just an extensive library

880
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Speaker 21: of great material that you and your family can go see.

881
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Speaker 21: And the thing about it, this deal, I think is

882
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Speaker 21: so great. It's eight ninety nine for an entire year,

883
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Speaker 21: and I think that's down for maybe twelve dollars a month.

884
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Speaker 21: So you're getting a great deal there because you're getting

885
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Speaker 21: access to everything as you would with an Amazon prim

886
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Speaker 21: or Netflix subscription. But it's all good material, things that

887
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 21: you and your family can watch. The second component, Terrence,

888
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Speaker 21: is that you get two free tickets to any theatrical release.

889
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Speaker 21: And man, I don't know when the last time you

890
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Speaker 21: went to the movie theaters was. It was a while ago.

891
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 21: For me, it's expensive. I mean, if you want two

892
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Speaker 21: people to go to the theater and you got the tickets,

893
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 21: you got the popcorn, you got the cokes, you can

894
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 21: be running fifty to seventy dollars just for one night

895
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Speaker 21: at the movie theater.

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Speaker 15: So consider the fact that you.

897
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Speaker 21: Get access to all this great material anytime you want

898
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Speaker 21: to watch it for an entire year, plus two free

899
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Speaker 21: tickets to go see a theatrical release of your choice

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Speaker 21: of which, just to mention, as we talked about in

901
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Speaker 21: the Morning show this Morning, Young Washington, which is about

902
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Speaker 21: a very young George Washington before we knew him as

903
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Speaker 21: George Washington. That's going to be coming up around July fourth,

904
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Speaker 21: where our nation's two hundred and fiftieth. So Terrence, just

905
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 21: some really really great material that Angel is offering, continuing

906
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 21: to produce content that amplifies light.

907
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Speaker 19: And what I really love about Angel Studios in the

908
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Speaker 19: work that comes out of those studios is that you

909
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Speaker 19: don't have to wonder, okay, can I take.

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Speaker 8: My kids to this? Is this going to be appropriated?

911
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Speaker 19: Quite literally, is something that the entire family can enjoy

912
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Speaker 19: and you don't have to worry about the content.

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Speaker 15: That's exactly right.

914
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Speaker 21: And if you look at some of the things that

915
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Speaker 21: they have, and I mentioned them in the promo there

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Speaker 21: but Cabrini, which is of course about the nun Cabrini

917
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Speaker 21: that established sixty seven institutions for poor immigrants. The animated

918
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Speaker 21: musical David, which grows fifty million dollars. Now you take

919
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 21: that and consider that also that Sound of Freedom made

920
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Speaker 21: one hundred and eighty four million dollars at the box office.

921
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 21: This is no longer some ancillary, fringe studio that's kind

922
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 21: of making a dent. This is a serious studio that

923
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 21: is making extreme impact with families all across America. I'll

924
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Speaker 21: be honest, Terre's.

925
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Speaker 3: I mean, Hollywood got.

926
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Speaker 21: It wrong for many, many decades. They just thought we'll

927
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Speaker 21: continue pushing woke material, will push sexual material down people's throats.

928
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Speaker 21: It's going to affect people, but maybe we can get

929
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Speaker 21: them to change them in their matal. No Angel Studio says, no,

930
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Speaker 21: we're going to offer a difference. We're going to offer

931
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Speaker 21: a competitor to that, and that's why you get all

932
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Speaker 21: this great material.

933
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Speaker 15: I thought Sound of Freedom was excellent.

934
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Speaker 21: The chosen, of course, they're known for The King of

935
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Speaker 21: King's Testament, Miracle, His Only Son, A Week Away. These

936
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 21: are some of the titles that you'll see online, paying

937
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Speaker 21: only eight ninety nine a month for that. But the

938
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Speaker 21: kicker is you got to sign up by this Easter Sunday.

939
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Speaker 21: So for those who celebrate Easter, myself included, I know

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Speaker 21: that you do as well, Terrence. We want to make

941
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 21: sure that people understand that you need to sign up

942
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 21: by Easter Sunday to lock in these savings for the

943
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Speaker 21: next year.

944
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Speaker 19: Absolutely, and what I love to hear is that there's

945
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 19: this sort of really good content out there, but more importantly,

946
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 19: there's an appetite for this sort of content. Yeah, I

947
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 19: use the word appetite as the fat guy on the show.

948
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Speaker 21: Well, you know what, for all the Easter bunnies and

949
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 21: Easter eggs and all the chocolate we may consume. I

950
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 21: think it's important Terrence, to center this back on our

951
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 21: Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. That's what Holy Week is about.

952
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 21: That is what Easter is about. It's the resurrection of

953
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Speaker 21: our Lord, and all this content that's coming from Angel

954
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Speaker 21: is designed to center us.

955
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Speaker 19: I think absolutely. Bo David's always good to talk to you,

956
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 19: my friend. Once again, that Easter deal eight ninety nine

957
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 19: membership for twelve months. The Angel plus rav partnership is

958
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 19: still doing really well, and obviously this is great content

959
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 19: for you and your family. So go ahead, get that

960
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 19: eight ninety nine deal and partake and participate in all.

961
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Speaker 10: That Angel Studios has to offer.

962
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Speaker 19: That's going to do it for us here on Real

963
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Speaker 19: America's Voice. We appreciate you being here with us, all.

964
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Speaker 13: Right, Welcome back hour too. The Charlie Kirk Show is underway,

965
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 13: and in studio we have a special guest and that

966
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Speaker 13: is Cale Conway. He is the GCU so Grand Canyon

967
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Speaker 13: University Chapter social Media Manager and chapter chaplain as well.

968
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Speaker 13: So we had a whole conversation yesterday with Selena Zito

969
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Speaker 13: from the Washington Examiner, and she was talking about her

970
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 13: own experience in like Pennsylvania. So she lives right near Pittsburgh,

971
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Speaker 13: and she says, young people are just getting baptized by

972
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Speaker 13: the droves and she's seeing this revival that I think

973
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Speaker 13: a lot of us had a question about after Charlie's assassination.

974
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Speaker 13: When you saw that revival, energy wasn't going to keep going,

975
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Speaker 13: and so we wanted to kind of bring it back

976
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Speaker 13: down to the student level with you and have you

977
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Speaker 13: in studio today to tell your story what you're seeing.

978
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Speaker 13: You're from Missouri, originally outside of Kansas City, and now

979
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Speaker 13: you live in Arizona, so you've got kind of multiple

980
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Speaker 13: perspectives here, tell us your story, and you know you're

981
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Speaker 13: the chapter chaplain, which is pretty sweet, So just tell

982
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Speaker 13: us your story.

983
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Speaker 22: Yeah, So I was born and raised in a Christian household.

984
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Speaker 23: I had two really awesome parents that just led by

985
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Speaker 23: example are pretty good role models. And I got saved

986
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Speaker 23: when I was about ten years old, and you know

987
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Speaker 23: when you get saved that young, it's like I knew

988
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Speaker 23: Jesus wanted like he was my savior, but I didn't

989
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Speaker 23: know the full weight of that yet. And I would

990
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Speaker 23: say the last couple of years, year and a half

991
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Speaker 23: of my life, there's been a lot of life events,

992
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Speaker 23: majorly in my life that happened.

993
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Speaker 22: I lost my dad.

994
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Speaker 23: In April of twenty twenty four, just completely unexpected, and

995
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Speaker 23: that's when I kind of just started diving deeper into

996
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Speaker 23: my faith and just to really understand why I believe

997
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Speaker 23: these things instead of sitting here and regurgitating this information

998
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Speaker 23: that I was being fed or just even like what

999
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Speaker 23: my parents had told me, Like I wanted to sit

1000
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Speaker 23: there and be like, why do I believe these things

1001
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Speaker 23: and actually be confident be able to sit here and

1002
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Speaker 23: say like, well, this is why I believe this, or

1003
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Speaker 23: this is why I choose Jesus my Lord and savior.

1004
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Speaker 23: And it's just kind of been a walk walk with

1005
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Speaker 23: that deeper and deeper ever since then.

1006
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Speaker 13: So it's amazing how trauma so often can lead us

1007
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Speaker 13: to deeper walks in our faith with Jesus. I mean,

1008
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Speaker 13: I certainly felt that after Charlie's assassination, maybe let's go there.

1009
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Speaker 13: So you transferred to gc you were in Missouri? Where

1010
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 13: were you when Charlie was killed? I was actually here

1011
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 13: in g so this.

1012
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Speaker 23: Yeah, So I transferred to GCU the beginning of the

1013
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Speaker 23: academic year last last year.

1014
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Speaker 22: So I started last fall here at GCU when this

1015
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Speaker 22: all happened.

1016
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Speaker 13: What was it like on campus from a spiritual perspective

1017
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Speaker 13: when that happened?

1018
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 23: So on campus, me personally, I feel like it was

1019
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 23: a very big shift. And I was also fortunate enough

1020
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Speaker 23: to be at the entire memorial there as well, and

1021
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Speaker 23: you could just be in that building as well. You

1022
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 23: could just feel that energy like there was just a

1023
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 23: revival or It's like it's a feeling that it's hard

1024
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Speaker 23: to sit there and explain because it just feels really

1025
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 23: surreal at the.

1026
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Speaker 13: Same time sit on camera right there.

1027
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Speaker 22: Yeah, but it's like it was. It was just awesome.

1028
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Speaker 23: I mean just being in that place right there, It's

1029
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 23: just the worship and just everything just going on, Like

1030
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 23: you could really feel the presence of God just in

1031
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Speaker 23: the room. And I also feel like that carried out

1032
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Speaker 23: through campus as well, like that feeling was just there

1033
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Speaker 23: and it was just for students. Yes, I did it

1034
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Speaker 23: was It was just really undeniably there, Blake, I don't

1035
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Speaker 23: know well.

1036
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Speaker 15: And we always love to ask how did it?

1037
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Speaker 14: How did it evolve over time, because we've certainly seen

1038
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Speaker 14: evidence there's been a sustained spiritual revival in some places.

1039
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Speaker 14: Obviously there was a tremendous surge in the days afterwards.

1040
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 14: We saw that outside of our own headquarters here, but

1041
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 14: maybe just lay out for us the response or what

1042
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 14: you saw from students Charlie's legacy a month later and

1043
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Speaker 14: now we're six months later.

1044
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Speaker 23: I would say, within like a month afterwards, like there's

1045
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Speaker 23: a lot of like, oh, I'm going to step up,

1046
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 23: I'm going to start believing these things. I'm going to

1047
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 23: start speaking out more. And as much as I love

1048
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 23: would love that was continued at that extent, it definitely

1049
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 23: has died down a little bit. But I definitely don't

1050
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 23: think it's like below the threshold than that it was,

1051
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Speaker 23: like it's definitely exceeded there and it's stayed there. So

1052
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 23: that energy and that spiritual just that presence of God

1053
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 23: has one been there this entire time, and it's still

1054
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 23: here in sight.

1055
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Speaker 16: It still is.

1056
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I don't think anyone would be surprised by that.

1057
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Speaker 14: I think a remark I made closer to it is

1058
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Speaker 14: would the surge last for everyone?

1059
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Speaker 16: Know?

1060
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Speaker 14: But there would be at least a few people, even

1061
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Speaker 14: if it was one person, But it's probably more than that,

1062
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 14: where that moment will completely transform their life going forwards.

1063
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Speaker 15: And each of those little moments does matter a tremendous amount.

1064
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Speaker 13: Well, I mean, you think of the parable of the sewer, right,

1065
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Speaker 13: you know, it's the parable of the sower says that

1066
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Speaker 13: the seeds of faith are scattered and some land on

1067
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 13: good soil, some on rocky soil, you know, and that's

1068
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Speaker 13: just going to be the case. It's a spiritual reality.

1069
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Speaker 3: You know.

1070
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Speaker 13: So but I'm I'm prayerful because I actually believe that

1071
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Speaker 13: revival starts with repentance. And I remember when Charlie was killed,

1072
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Speaker 13: you know, and I've told this story. I actually told it,

1073
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Speaker 13: I think on the Alex Clark podcast where it was

1074
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 13: I felt this. I don't know if it was fear,

1075
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 13: but it was it was something. I realized that everything

1076
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 13: that we had, we had built, it was about to

1077
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Speaker 13: change dramatically, and I was resistant to it. And then

1078
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Speaker 13: I remember I was sitting in my hotel room and

1079
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Speaker 13: I just repented and I just said, Lord, whatever you

1080
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Speaker 13: have for me, I say yes to and and I

1081
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Speaker 13: apologized for fighting that right. And I'm curious if you

1082
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Speaker 13: have a similar story with what after your dad passed away?

1083
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 13: And I'm sorry to hear that, And you know, did

1084
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 13: you know this sort of surrendering to God's will in

1085
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Speaker 13: your life?

1086
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Speaker 22: One percent?

1087
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Speaker 23: I did, and I appreciate that, so thank you. It

1088
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Speaker 23: was really weird because at first I when it all happened, obviously,

1089
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Speaker 23: like I was so confused and like, well, why would.

1090
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Speaker 22: You take my dad away?

1091
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Speaker 23: Especially I'm the oldest of four kids, so I have

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Speaker 23: three younger siblings, and it was just like I'm the oldest.

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Speaker 23: I at the time, I was nineteen, and like, how

1094
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 23: are you going to sit here and take a father

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00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 23: away that had laid a great foundation and just instilled

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00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 23: all these great principles and was such a good guy

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00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 23: compared to a lot of people out in this world

1098
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 23: right now, Like, how are you going to just take

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00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 23: him away unexpected unexpectedly from us? And it was really

1100
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 23: hard because I wrestled with that a lot. I was

1101
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 23: really confused, and I was really angry, and I honestly

1102
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 23: like I lashed out at God a lot, and it

1103
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 23: got to the point where it was like I instilled

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00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 23: this one statement in my head. It was like, I'm

1105
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 23: not sad. I'm not here to understand your plan. I'm

1106
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 23: here to trust your plan. And as more, I kind

1107
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 23: of shifted my mindset into letting Jesus come in and

1108
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 23: help carry this burden rather than trying to take it

1109
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 23: on to my like myself, because if I could fix

1110
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 23: these things myself, I would have already fixed I would

1111
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 23: have fixed everything already. And the reality is we can't

1112
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 23: fix it ourselves and we need a savior. So once

1113
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 23: I took Jesus in and helped him, like had him

1114
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 23: help me carry that burden of the loss, the anger,

1115
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 23: the grief, the sadness, all these emotions that are like

1116
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 23: super super heavy.

1117
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 22: This feeling of just overcoming peace.

1118
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 23: And joy that I had it was just so overbent,

1119
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 23: so over but yet I didn't understand it. And it's

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Speaker 23: hard to sit there and like almost say that as well,

1121
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 23: because it's like, well, how do I sit here and

1122
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 23: feel so much peace? And joy, yet in one of

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Speaker 23: the deepest, darkest times in my life.

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Speaker 13: Well, the scriptures say that God will be close to

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00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 13: the broken hearted, so there's that. I'm going to read

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00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 13: the sower verse. Here a farmer went out to sow

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00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 13: his seed. This is Jesus talking as he was scattering

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Speaker 13: the seed. Some fell along the path, and the birds

1129
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 13: came and ate it up. Some fell on rocky places

1130
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 13: where it did not have much soil. It sprang up

1131
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 13: quickly because the soil was shallow. But when the sun

1132
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 13: came up, the plants were scorched and they withered because

1133
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 13: they had no root. Other seed fell among thorns, which

1134
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 13: grew up and choked the plants. Still other seed fell

1135
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 13: on good soil, where it produced a crop one hundred

1136
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 13: and sixty or thirty times what was sown. Whoever has ears,

1137
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 13: let them hear. So much of life is the sower,

1138
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 13: the parable of the sower. It's interesting too, by the way,

1139
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 13: when I I've did it into Google, it was the first

1140
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 13: parable that came up, massively important parable. We're gonna continue

1141
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 13: on with cale.

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Speaker 15: Well, that might have been your computer spye on you.

1143
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 13: I could have it could have been I'm gonna tell

1144
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 13: you about Hillsdale College. We're gonna continue on with Cale

1145
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 13: here from GCU. We're gonna talk about dating and relationships

1146
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 13: and the male female divide, which we've gotten into on

1147
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 13: the show before Hillsdale. You just heard from doctor Matt Spaulding.

1148
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 13: They are the best there. They're rooted in truth, common sense,

1149
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 13: some of the best academics in the country, genuinely, and

1150
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 13: Charlie loved Hillsdale, called it the beacon of the North,

1151
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 13: America's greatest college. And you can actually take the same

1152
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 13: course as that Charlie took. One of them is the

1153
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 13: Genesis Story, tought by Hillsdale professor doctor Justin Jackson. This

1154
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 13: course talks about the relationship between God and man, what

1155
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 13: happens when it falls apart, and how to get back

1156
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 13: on track. It's rigorous, it's challenging, but that means it's good.

1157
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 13: It's full of insights and thoughtfulness. So go to Charlie

1158
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 13: for Hillsdale dot today, Charlie for Hillsdale dot com to

1159
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 13: enroll take that course or I think they have over

1160
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Speaker 13: forty different free online courses. Charlie for Hillsdale dot Com

1161
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 13: to enroll today. It's one hundred percent free we'll be

1162
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 13: right back. All right, welcome back. I want to tell

1163
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 13: you guys at GCU Grand Canyon University, how many students

1164
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 13: go to GCU now.

1165
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 23: I honestly, I was gonna say probably like about thirty thousand.

1166
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 23: They're huge now it's pretty big now.

1167
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 13: So Riley Gaines is actually going to be doing a

1168
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Speaker 13: pickup the Mic event at GCU on April ninth. I

1169
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 13: think we have the graphic if you guys want to

1170
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 13: throw that up. So that's pretty sweet. You guys just

1171
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 13: lock that in.

1172
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Speaker 23: Yeah, we just got it finalized the other day. Now

1173
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 23: we're advertising that crazy.

1174
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Speaker 13: Oh, it's gonna be great. She's she's really good at

1175
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 13: the live events too. We love Riley. She's doing a

1176
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 13: great job. So if you are in the student body,

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Speaker 13: I guess is it open to non students or is

1178
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Speaker 13: it only students? I think it's only students.

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Speaker 22: I think it's only students.

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Speaker 13: I could be wrong, but don't anyway put me on

1181
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Speaker 13: that Riley Gaines at GCUS. Let's talk about that. She's

1182
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Speaker 13: a lady, you're not. So what's the dynamic on campus

1183
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Speaker 13: between the ladies and the gentlemen? Are we? Because we

1184
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 13: had some students on and they were basically saying, there

1185
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 13: is some tension. The girls don't like the guys, the

1186
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 13: guys don't like the girls. They have different expectations of

1187
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Speaker 13: what a relationship is. Has that been your.

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Speaker 23: Experience, I would say so yes. I would say there

1189
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Speaker 23: is some tension and some friction there. But I also

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Speaker 23: think that stems from a lot of different things. And

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Speaker 23: I feel like this is a topic I could go

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Speaker 23: on and on about, to be honest, but part of

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Speaker 23: I think one of the main issues with it is

1194
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Speaker 23: like there's just not enough men being men honestly, like

1195
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 23: we need to be more masculine.

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Speaker 22: There's a lot I would say, there's a lot more.

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Speaker 23: Females trying to step up and be that masculine figure

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Speaker 23: rather than the men stepping up and really being the

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Speaker 23: true leaders or being the real masculine figures in that

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Speaker 23: and we kind of just let it happen, like there's

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Speaker 23: just not much control. It's almost like a oh, you

1202
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 23: kind of got it, Like I'm going to chill out.

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Speaker 23: You can run the show if you like. I'm going

1204
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 23: to just sit here and not do a whole bunch.

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Speaker 23: And I think that stim I think that just creates

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Speaker 23: a lot more issues in itself.

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Speaker 13: Well, it's the sin of adam actually actually you know

1208
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Speaker 13: passivity right where sin of omission, where we're not stepping

1209
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Speaker 13: up being leaders as God has intended men to be.

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Speaker 13: So there's this interesting dynamic that's going on. I don't

1211
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Speaker 13: know if you've seen this Blake, but Isabelle Brown said

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Speaker 13: that women should get married and have more babies St. Seventeen.

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Speaker 24: You're not encouraging your children to grow up and have

1214
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 24: the courage to get married and have kids, more kids

1215
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Speaker 24: than they can afford before.

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Speaker 1: They think they're ready. It is high time to start.

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Speaker 24: It is these choices like deleting our dating apps and

1218
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 24: putting birth control pills and saying I do at the

1219
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Speaker 24: altar that ultimately trickle down into the political policies that

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Speaker 24: we will see save our country.

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Speaker 13: Well, the ladies of Debut did not like this became

1222
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Speaker 13: a whole thing Sat. Eighteen. What what is she?

1223
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Speaker 4: What?

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01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 16: The what?

1225
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 10: What?

1226
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 8: What?

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Speaker 18: We also So, my ultimate beef with this is that

1228
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 18: it wraps a woman's worth up in her ovar east.

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Speaker 18: The fact that we keep putting this on women that

1230
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 18: they're only worth in society, politics policies is if they

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Speaker 18: produce a baby or have a husband is the stupidest,

1232
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Speaker 18: most old fashioned thing. We have come too far.

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Speaker 25: There's the call to responsibility for the men who who

1234
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 25: helped make these.

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Speaker 16: Children, right, I am.

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Speaker 25: I don't know why it's always people lecturing women what

1237
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Speaker 25: they have to do online. If you're not paying my bills,

1238
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Speaker 25: you don't get to tell me what I do with

1239
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Speaker 25: my uneration.

1240
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Speaker 13: I feel like Anna Navarro is the perfect living embodiment

1241
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 13: of exactly what you're talking about.

1242
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Speaker 14: I just think it's it's so funny because they can

1243
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 14: just do this blame and stuff and then everyone claps

1244
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 14: like a seal. I say, well, yeah, okay, if you

1245
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 14: use your brain, why would this maybe matter. Well, if

1246
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 14: you don't have kids, your civilization ceases to exist period.

1247
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 14: Maybe that's why, Maybe that's why there was something but

1248
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 14: there his value to do anything.

1249
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Speaker 13: Isabelle was not saying your only value is in your ovaries.

1250
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 13: She was saying, it's a good thing to point two

1251
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 13: to aim to, so you should do it because it's

1252
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 13: a blessing. By the way, it is a blessing. Children

1253
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 13: are a blessing from the Lord, and they're hard, they're expensive,

1254
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 13: they take a lot of time, totally worth it. Anyways,

1255
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 13: so you're seeing this energy on campus, Am I right?

1256
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 13: I would say so.

1257
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Speaker 23: I think it stems from you see kind of this

1258
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 23: stuff online and it just kind of trickles down and

1259
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 23: it's like you get a really very twisted worldview no

1260
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 23: matter what side of the spectrum you are on when

1261
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 23: it comes to certain beliefs or ideologies, whatever it may be,

1262
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 23: it trickles down and it starts with society in my opinion,

1263
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 23: And then also, men just don't want to sit here

1264
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 23: and doing thing about it for the most part, at

1265
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 23: least in my generation.

1266
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 22: Like I just see a lot of dudes get walked.

1267
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 23: All over and they kind of just take it sometimes,

1268
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 23: and I'm like, guys, we need to step up.

1269
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 22: And be real men.

1270
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 23: We need to start leading better, lead by example, and

1271
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 23: do these things that real men do.

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Speaker 13: I totally agree. I don't think men are the problem.

1273
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 13: I think they're the solution. I think if it because

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Speaker 13: here's a couple things. Two things. If you value children,

1275
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 13: if you create spaces in your society to have children,

1276
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 13: whether that's at restaurants or parks or games or whatever,

1277
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 13: that is a good thing. If you value children, you

1278
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 13: will have more children as a society. So point one men.

1279
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 13: If you value strong men, you will get more strong

1280
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 13: men if you value passivity. If you tell them that

1281
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 13: they are toxically masculine and that they are the villains

1282
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 13: in this story, men are going to opt out. It's

1283
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 13: the sin of Adam. We get passive and we let

1284
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 13: the women run rough shot. That's not a healthy society either.

1285
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 13: I believe deeply, deeply, deeply that women want strong men

1286
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 13: to lea They want them to be productive, they want

1287
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 13: them to have vision, they want them to be full

1288
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 13: of life, full of vision. And when women in this

1289
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 13: this progressive feminist mindset put try and put men in

1290
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 13: a corner. What are men gonna do? They're not gonna

1291
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 13: rise to the occasion if you tell them they're the

1292
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 13: evil villain, you know in the story, They're going to

1293
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 13: opt out. They're gonna go play video games, They're gonna

1294
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 13: get walked on. You're the chaplain of your of your

1295
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 13: chapter here, which is a cool title. Not all of

1296
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 13: our chapters have. I think we should actually, what's your

1297
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 13: what's your read on this? What's your message? What are

1298
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 13: you telling young men? Your age?

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Speaker 3: Young men?

1300
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 23: I tell my age just like it's time for even

1301
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 23: though if you feel this way and like you kind

1302
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 23: of want to sit here, like like you said, and

1303
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 23: you get back to the core or whatever, like it's

1304
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 23: we are the solution anyways, Like we still have to

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Speaker 23: step up, Like you still have to be able to

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Speaker 23: one work on yourself and figure out these beliefs, figure

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Speaker 23: out what you truly believe in, what you stand for,

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Speaker 23: and have a real passion, and you need to have

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Speaker 23: if you need to be purposeful. Women want someone that

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Speaker 23: is going to be very purposeful, someone that's going to

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Speaker 23: go out there and go do something, someone that wants

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Speaker 23: to actually get stuff done. And there's I don't think

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Speaker 23: I see a lot of that, and just being able

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Speaker 23: to take action on just something as simple as it

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Speaker 23: sounds something like that can create a huge difference with

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Speaker 23: a lot of that stuff.

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Speaker 13: I totally agree. I think I hate that men tend

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Speaker 13: to opt out. I think it's a it's a nihilism

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Speaker 13: that's seeped in. But they've been told that they're the

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Speaker 13: problem for over a generation now. And what do you

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Speaker 13: think is going to happen when you tell young men

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Speaker 13: that they're terrible and not worth anything, and they're the

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Speaker 13: villains and toxic and all this stuff.

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Speaker 14: Men can do incredible things, but you have to want

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Speaker 14: them to do incredible things.

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Speaker 13: That's exactly right, That's exactly right. There's another clip here

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Speaker 13: that's kind of interesting about affordability. I'm not going to

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Speaker 13: play it's too long, but it's like, you know, just says,

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Speaker 13: I think it's really reckless. This is from the view

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Speaker 13: to be suggesting that people should have children when you

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Speaker 13: know there's this country's having an affordability crisis. Final note,

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Speaker 13: children will never be affordable, they'll never be convenient. You

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Speaker 13: can still have them. Guess what, you'll find a way

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Speaker 13: your You will make space in your life for children.

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Speaker 13: It doesn't mean be reckless. It doesn't mean to do

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Speaker 13: it when you don't have a job or something like that.

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Speaker 13: But guess what, you might have children and you lose

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Speaker 23: I actually have a platform where I talk about my

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Speaker 14: Alrighty, Well, we talked about this back when they were

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Speaker 14: introducing it, but we believe in really flogging this.

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Speaker 15: This is a very important race.

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Speaker 14: We're talking, of course, about the Virginia redistricting referendum.

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Speaker 15: To remind everyone, catch them up to speed.

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Speaker 14: We've been Republicans in a few states have redrawn maps

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Speaker 14: in Texas and Florida.

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Speaker 15: We wanted them to redraw them in Indiana, and the Indiana.

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Speaker 14: Republicans said, now we do Republicans do. But Democrats have

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Speaker 14: not sat still. So they redrew the maps in California.

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Speaker 14: But the most aggressive one that we're seeing is an

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Speaker 14: attempt to redraw the map in Virginia. So basically half

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Speaker 14: their seats, all our little slivers coming out of Fairfax County,

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Speaker 14: the blue part of the state. They believe that they

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Speaker 14: can get them to a ten to one Democrat advantage

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Speaker 14: in Virginia, and so we wanted to welcome back Senator

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Speaker 14: Glenn's of it. He is a Virginia Republican Senator. He's

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Speaker 14: been helping spearhead the battle against this referendum.

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Speaker 15: Senator, are you there.

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Speaker 6: I'm here, yeah, thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 3: Guys, welcome.

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Speaker 15: So set the stakes for those of our We have

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Speaker 15: quite a few listeners in Virginia.

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Speaker 14: Hopefully they voted. You guys are in early voting right now,

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Speaker 14: So tell us what's the state of the battle. Do

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Speaker 14: we have a shot of winning this one?

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Speaker 6: This is a David and Goliath battle. But what is

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Speaker 6: I think becoming clearer and clearer every day is that

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Speaker 6: we actually do have a shot at winning this election

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Speaker 6: day is April twenty first. But as you said, we

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Speaker 6: were in the midst of early voting right now. Virginia

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Speaker 6: has some of the longest early voting of any state

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Speaker 6: in the country. We've got forty five days of early voting,

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Speaker 6: so that's been ongoing now for two or three weeks,

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Speaker 6: and we've got three weeks to go as of yesterday

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Speaker 6: until the last day to vote. And what is really

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Speaker 6: interesting is the folks who kind of look deeply at

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Speaker 6: the and the numbers, it would indicate that we are

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Speaker 6: seeing much higher turnout in the heavy Republican areas and

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Speaker 6: much lower turnout than normal in the heavy Democrat areas,

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Speaker 6: so Virginia, we are not used to having elections in April.

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Speaker 6: This is the first time this has ever happened, and

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Speaker 6: so it is Virginias are being bombarded on television and

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Speaker 6: YouTube and online with ads from the other side. They've

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Speaker 6: basically got unlimited money. I think they've received about thirty

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Speaker 6: million dollars so far from jakeem Jeffreys and George Soros

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Speaker 6: and other left wing dark money groups. And then on

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Speaker 6: our side, I think we've only been able to put

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Speaker 6: together about five million dollars and I saw today another

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Speaker 6: five million maybe coming in. But so far we have

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Speaker 6: been outgunned on the money, outgunned on the ads. But

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Speaker 6: it really has been a people powered, grassroots movement of

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Speaker 6: Virginians who have seen what the Democrats, now that they

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Speaker 6: control the Governor's mansion and both chambers of the General Assembly,

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Speaker 6: what they've been up to the last few months. The

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Speaker 6: people are fed up and pushing back, thankfully.

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Speaker 14: It's so crazy that you can't get more funding for this,

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Speaker 14: because you think of the amount of money that will

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Speaker 14: be thrown into our elections. In a single Senate race,

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Speaker 14: you might see over hundreds of millions of dollars spent.

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Speaker 14: At this point, you'll see many millions spent on a

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Speaker 14: single house race, and this is effectively four or five

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Speaker 14: house races in a single go through the method of

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Speaker 14: this referendum. But to show how seriously Democrats are taking it,

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Speaker 14: they've actually drawn a prominent Democrat out of retirement, none

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Speaker 14: other than Barack Obama, who has Barack Hussein Obama has

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Speaker 14: come out to campaign for this. We actually have a

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Speaker 14: clip of him. Let's play twenty one.

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Speaker 20: Free and fair elections are the cornerstone of our democracy,

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Speaker 20: but right now they are under threat. Over the past year,

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Speaker 20: several Republican controlled states have taken the unprecedented step of

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Speaker 20: redrawing their congressional maps in the middle of the decade.

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Speaker 20: And they've done it for a simple reason, to give

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Speaker 20: themselves an unfair advantage in the mid terms. This park

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Speaker 20: in April. Virginians can respond by making sure your voting

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Speaker 20: power is not diminished by what Republicans are doing in

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Speaker 20: other states. Help us chart a better path forward. Virginia

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Speaker 20: lead voting begins on March sixth. Election day is April

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Speaker 20: twenty First vote yes, Virginia.

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Speaker 15: I think it's very revealing.

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Speaker 14: They flashed a bunch of maps there for those of

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Speaker 14: you who are listening later. They showed Missouri, they showed Texas,

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Speaker 14: but they did not show the Virginia and what their

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Speaker 14: map is. And I want to before I'll ask you,

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Speaker 14: I should remind people what the text of this referendum is,

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Speaker 14: because it's truly one of the most egregious, appalling examples

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Speaker 14: of distortion I've ever seen from an official election document.

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Speaker 14: This is the wording on the ballot. Should the Constitution

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Speaker 14: of Virginia be amended to allow the General Assembly to

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Speaker 14: temporarily adopt new congressional districts to restore fairness in the

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Speaker 14: upcoming elections while ensuring virginia standard process resumes for all

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Speaker 14: future redistricting.

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Speaker 15: So just could we please restore fairness?

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Speaker 14: You don't oppose fairness to you, but remind our listeners

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Speaker 14: exactly what districts they are planning to impose on the

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Speaker 14: state here.

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Speaker 15: What do they look like?

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Speaker 6: Oh, we have eleven congressional districts in Virginia currently under

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Speaker 6: the current maps, we have six Democrat members of Congress

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Speaker 6: and five Republican members of Congress. And that lines up

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Speaker 6: very very well with how Virginia voted statewide in the

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty four presidential election. We have been rated as

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Speaker 6: having a plus fair maps from an anti jerrymandering perspective.

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Speaker 6: We actually five years ago voted to amend our constitution

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Speaker 6: in Virginia to get rid of artisan jerrymandering and to

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Speaker 6: create a nonpartisan redistricting commission, which is what created the

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Speaker 6: maps that we are current working with. And now Democrats

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Speaker 6: are trying to jam through this amendment to the amendment.

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Speaker 6: This is another constitutional amendment that they are now pushing

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Speaker 6: to give them this quote unquote temporary power to jerry

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Speaker 6: mander again. And as you said, Blake, all of these

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Speaker 6: districts essentially begin and end in Fairfax County.

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Speaker 15: There is a we have an up right now. I

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Speaker 15: don't know if you can see it, but we have it.

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Speaker 14: You can see you've got these little tendrils sneaking all

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Speaker 14: across the state. One, two, three, four of them go

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Speaker 14: through Fairfax County at least, and then like two other

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Speaker 14: snake up pretty close to it, but don't get there.

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Speaker 15: It's one of the wildest things I've ever seen. And

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Speaker 15: you can see.

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Speaker 14: It takes us from you know, a few safe blue

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Speaker 14: states a few safe red seats to just all of

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Speaker 14: these blue leaning seats. It's one of the utterly it's

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Speaker 14: an abomination to look upon.

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Speaker 6: And for people who don't know Virginia, that big red

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Speaker 6: area which the Democrats want to be our sole congressional

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Speaker 6: seat is southwest Virginia, which is very very sparsely populated. Uh,

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Speaker 6: and there are no Democrats down there, so that that

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Speaker 6: would be the uh, the loan Republican seat. It looks large,

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Speaker 6: but it's you know, a single congressional district.

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Speaker 13: Yeah. I want to go back to this Obama clip,

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Speaker 13: which to underscore Blake's point, he shows he does not

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Speaker 13: talk about Virginia and he doesn't acknowledge the fact that

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Speaker 13: Virginia is six' Five democrats get six, Seats republicans tend

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Speaker 13: to get five in a state That kamala won by plus.

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Speaker 13: Six AM i, Right and that you just had A republican,

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Speaker 13: Governor Glen. Younkin and so now you've now you've Got

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Speaker 13: spamberger explain this this kind of, ropodope this this, uh

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Speaker 13: this move That democrats are doing In virginia where they

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Speaker 13: present themselves as moderates and you, Know spanburger looks like

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Speaker 13: this sort of, clean moderate, vision and then when they do,

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Speaker 13: this they sell you the moderation and then they seem

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Speaker 13: to GO i call it going Full virginia because it's

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Speaker 13: like it deserves its own. Category now are they? Moderates?

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Speaker 6: No and to hear you call it Full virginia hurts my, heart.

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Speaker 6: Man but it's, sad and it's what we are living

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Speaker 6: through right, now and it is a preview for what

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Speaker 6: the rest of the country is going to get If

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Speaker 6: democrats are likely to continue nominating these folks, who, again

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Speaker 6: like you, said appear on paper to be, moderates but

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Speaker 6: when they get in office go full left. Wing it

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Speaker 6: was Not spamberger wasn't a day in office before she

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Speaker 6: got rid of all Of Governor youenkin's policies that allowed

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Speaker 6: our law enforcement to cooperate With ice to get illegal

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Speaker 6: aliens out Of. Virginia she undid that on day, one

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Speaker 6: and they had been pushing ever since to Make virginia

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Speaker 6: a solid sanctuary state for a legal. Aliens. Uh we

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Speaker 6: just finished up Our General assembly session about two weeks.

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Speaker 6: Ago they are moving very quickly on Eliminating VIRGINIAN'S Uh

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Speaker 6: Second amendment, rights making it impossible to buy and own

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Speaker 6: common everyday firearms and. Magazines they had legislation to raise

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Speaker 6: taxes on anything that, moved and they're they're also working

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Speaker 6: consortium uh kind of green new deal thing that they

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Speaker 6: they Called. Reggie so, yeah to your, Point spamberger has

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Speaker 6: always presented herself as this you, know suburban mom moderate

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Speaker 6: we all knew from her time In, congress despite the

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Speaker 6: uh they were able, TO i, think pull a fast

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Speaker 6: we're now seeing the fruits of. That AND i think

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Speaker 13: Canada, yes in this, case all, right so let me

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Speaker 13: convention was called In winnipeg In.

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Speaker 13: Liberal so they didn't go viral for their, policies you,

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Speaker 13: know housing their awful idea ideas about inflation or, healthcare

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Speaker 13: how they can kill more people through. Euthanasia they went

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Speaker 13: viral for something called equity. Cards, now if you are

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Speaker 13: a person that came to this, convention you were given

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Speaker 13: a gender or gender identity, card which would be. Green

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01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 13: you were given it race or ethnicity card if you're not,

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01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 13: white and that would be, peep pink or. Purple you

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01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 13: had a card For indigenous, STATUS lgbtq plus, status or

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01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 13: a disability. Status, now what these cards are intended to

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01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 13: do was give you the ability to jump into. Line

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Speaker 13: so if there's a queue that's, formed a line that's

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Speaker 13: formed to ask a question and force a debate on

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01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 13: a certain, policy you could jump the debate over the

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01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,600
Speaker 13: white people if you had one of these. Cards it

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01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 13: was designed to give diverse viewpoints more consideration and priority

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01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:19,839
Speaker 13: over white people's. Viewpoints, Essentially so what did that result?

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Speaker 13: In i'll let you see PLAY sot. Eighteen there's a

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01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 13: point of privilege on microphone.

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01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 8: One then we'll go to microphone.

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Speaker 1: Three go, Ahead delegate.

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Speaker 2: Yes, HELLO i was standing here with my gender equity

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01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 2: card before you called on the previous.

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Speaker 8: Speaker that's my point of privilege THAT i would like to.

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Speaker 7: HER i.

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01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 26: Will yesterday this card was used in an inappropriate. Matter

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Speaker 26: and WHILE i understand In ontario we know this is,

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Speaker 26: equity even if that this was also used inappropriate in

1641
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 26: terms of, GENDER i want everyone to be mindful that

1642
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 26: these cards for individuals like myself who identify as a

1643
01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 26: black woman have no value outs of this.

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01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:05,799
Speaker 14: Space so they're handing out equity cards that you're supposed

1645
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 14: to flex to jump in, line you get. Privilege we

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01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 14: laugh at, this but this is there's a deadly serious kernel,

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01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:17,839
Speaker 14: here which is we have struggles In america OVER, dei

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01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 14: where we, have despite our, constitutions systematic discrimination based on

1649
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 14: race or. Sex but at least In, america our laws

1650
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 14: say it's not supposed to be that. Way you're not

1651
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 14: supposed to, discriminate and that gives us reason for, hope

1652
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 14: it gives us ways to, counterattack and the vibe is

1653
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 14: mostly against. It canada is not like. That canada is

1654
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 14: the true call it post liberal. Country In, canada, actually

1655
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 14: in their laws they just explicitly say if you are

1656
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 14: a black, person or if you are an indigenous, person

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01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 14: you should be punished less for the same. Crime you

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01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 14: can create a job opening In canada for you, know

1659
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 14: a university professor for, anything, basically and just say white

1660
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 14: men are not allowed to apply for this. Job and

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01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 14: it's not because it's an acting job where you need

1662
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 14: someone who looks a certain.

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01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:06,799
Speaker 15: Way it's not because it's a sports.

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01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 14: Job it's specifically just a neutral. Job white men need not.

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01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 14: Apply that is What canada has. Become and what you

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01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 14: just saw there heard there is, cartoonish but that is

1667
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 14: what the left.

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01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 15: Wants they want A it is truly a it's not

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01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 15: even the. Future it's not a.

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01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 14: Decline it's a regression back to the way the world

1671
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 14: was before The American. Revolution The American, revolution one of

1672
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 14: its core bits was that all men are created. Equal,

1673
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 14: actually we're going to abolish all feudal. Status they want

1674
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 14: to restore feudal status where who your parents are is

1675
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 14: more important than what you, do that what you look.

1676
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 13: Like that is a visual representation of a regression to

1677
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 13: a predeclaration of independence world where you have sectarianism and tribalism.

1678
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 3: Ruling the.

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01:26:55,240 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 13: Day because this was designed to operationalize quality or equity

1680
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 13: in real. Time and what did you see happensive Oppression

1681
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 13: olympics played out for all to, see where this group

1682
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,799
Speaker 13: said that they were more oppressed and had more privilege

1683
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 13: over this, group and then this group, disagreed and so

1684
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 13: instead of having a system that was equal for, all

1685
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 13: you had everybody trying to claim their, privilege speaking over each,

1686
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 13: other fighting each, other saying that it was their turn to,

1687
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 13: speak it wasn't their turn to. Speak it was actually,

1688
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 13: cartoonish but it is deadly.

1689
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 14: Serious if you want to get at what a backward

1690
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 14: society is in a single, sentence you might put it this,

1691
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 14: way that it is more important to be something than

1692
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 14: to do.

1693
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 15: Something it matters more what you are than what you've.

1694
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 14: Done because In, america the biggest reason we were such

1695
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 14: a profoundly transformational country for the entire world is that

1696
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 14: we flipped that on its. Head we said what you do,

1697
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 14: matters what you have accomplished, matters what your character is.

1698
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 14: Matters and In canada they were turning into the old,

1699
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 14: way which just says matters what your skin, is it

1700
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 14: matters what group you're. In your privileges just derived from

1701
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 14: your group. Status they're all, inherited they're all based on,

1702
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 14: blood and it's very bleak because you can make fun of.

1703
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 14: It but the end result of that is economic, stagnation, poverty, hatred, misery.

1704
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 15: Backwardness you don't innovate.

1705
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 22: Anymore.

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01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 13: Well the group, that again To blake's, point was already

1707
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 13: further left Than, trudeau ultimately Selected Avi lewis as its new,

1708
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 13: leader a figure associated with a further left shift for the.

1709
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 13: Party so when you get a bunch of people in

1710
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 13: a room cavetching and complaining about their oppression and how

1711
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 13: they should be privileged more because of their identity or

1712
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 13: their sexual, orientation you tend to have a party that

1713
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 13: will move further and further left until they fall off

1714
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:57,679
Speaker 13: the cliff into utter stupidity and banality and cartoonish. Behavior

1715
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 13: may The lord spare such a result for The United.

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01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 13: States we'll see. Tomorrow