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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey there, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: To the latest episode of the Book of Joe Podcast

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Speaker 1: with me, Tom Berducci and of course Joe Madden and Joe.

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Speaker 1: Super excited about our guest today. He needs no introduction,

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Speaker 1: but I'll give him one anyway. The most wins in

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Speaker 1: Division I college basketball, five national titles, a member of

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Speaker 1: the Naysmith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, and you'll love this, Joe.

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Speaker 1: He's also a member of the National Polish American Sports

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, so that counts for a lot too.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome coach Kate, Mike Ryzchewski, Coach, how are you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great being on with you guys, And congratulations

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Speaker 3: on the book, The Book of Joe that I've started

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Speaker 3: reading it. Joe actually sent me a copy autograph. Spell

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Speaker 3: my name right and everything. But it's really good, you know.

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Speaker 3: I call it it like a common sense book, and

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Speaker 3: boy do we need a lot of common sense going

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Speaker 3: around right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad you brought up the book because

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Speaker 1: obviously our podcast here is based off the book, and

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Speaker 1: we wanted to produce something that was even more than

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Speaker 1: just a quote unquote baseball book with life lessons and

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Speaker 1: especially the kind of intersection of leadership, teamwork and what

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Speaker 1: makes a team a team. And I can't think of

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Speaker 1: any better guest coach to have on than you. One

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Speaker 1: of your quotes that I really I love and when

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Speaker 1: I first heard it, I don't look at myself as

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Speaker 1: a basketball coach. I look at myself as a leader

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Speaker 1: who happens to coach basketball. I love that because we

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Speaker 1: tend to identify people by the jobs that they do

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Speaker 1: in their titles. But you know better than anyone that

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Speaker 1: the job of being a coach is really being a

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Speaker 1: leader and of course a teacher. So I got to

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Speaker 1: ask you, is that something that you knew early on

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Speaker 1: that being a coach was more than just the ex'es

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, obviously, it's got to be that combination. And

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Speaker 3: I when I was sixteen, I knew I wanted to

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Speaker 3: be a teacher. I thought I want to be a

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Speaker 3: high school teacher, and I wanted to be a coach.

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Speaker 3: And although I've retired from coaching, I haven't retired from

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Speaker 3: teaching and learning.

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Speaker 4: You know, if.

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Speaker 3: You leadership, if you only learn about leadership from the

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Speaker 3: people in your profession.

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Speaker 4: You are really running on a very narrow road.

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Speaker 3: You can learn about leadership from everybody and in all

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Speaker 3: walks of life. And I've learned it from speaking to businesses,

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Speaker 3: watching football coaches, baseball coaches, you know, actually watching Joe

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Speaker 3: because he was coaching my Coubbies for a long time,

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Speaker 3: long time and brought us our first World Series in

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Speaker 3: a century. And I went to the best leadership school

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Speaker 3: learned that leadership is something that you have to study

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Speaker 3: all the time. All the time. I'm still studying it.

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Speaker 3: And I actually now a professor at our Fuquis School

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Speaker 3: It's the best profession in the world.

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Speaker 5: Coach just a dovetail and did that a bit, the

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Speaker 5: creation of culture at Duke University, And you know, that's

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Speaker 5: and the creation of a culture. And just the question

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Speaker 5: is was there certain elements that you would try to

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Speaker 3: I think it's a combination of both. And you know,

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Speaker 3: takes a while. I I really was driven by values

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Speaker 3: common ground. How can you get ownership from everybody where?

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Speaker 3: And we were a value based culture at Duke and

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Speaker 1: Tommy, he coach k I mean Joe tells a great

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Speaker 1: And one quote from you I found really interesting. We

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Speaker 1: There needs to be a constant renewal of values that

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Speaker 3: of our culture was taught by our juniors and seniors,

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Speaker 4: And also I didn't make any promise.

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Speaker 3: I've never made a promise to a player in recruiting

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Speaker 4: A lot more. It was a lot more fun being

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Speaker 5: Because you're just drawing so many parallels. It's it's really

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Speaker 5: a lot of fun to listen to all this right

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Speaker 5: to you, you can hate me forever. And you just kind of,

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Speaker 5: it's great here that validated. The other thing is the

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Speaker 5: You have to be us basketball. You just can't play

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Speaker 5: the ownership component really resonates strongly. I think with the Cubs.

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Speaker 5: That was one thing I really tried to drive home

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Speaker 5: to us recording this whole thing. So it's wonderful to

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Speaker 5: hear all of this, Coach, because honestly, it's it's a

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Speaker 5: lot of what I believe in, and you're putting it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Joe, we Uh that's why I said

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Speaker 3: you know, what I've learned is right there, there are

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Speaker 3: different ways of saying this same thing. So if you

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Speaker 3: and look, if you own it, you're going to fight

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Speaker 3: One of the cool things we did with the Olympic

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Speaker 3: You know we're going to need them to beat the

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Speaker 3: which is good. But let's put them all under one

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Speaker 3: really damn good. And uh, you know, I don't want

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Speaker 3: And I swear to God this is exactly what happened.

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Speaker 3: And it was one of the beautiful moments for me

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Speaker 4: And for me.

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Speaker 3: Uh, I'm sure you've experienced this countless times, Joe. I

438
00:25:18,198 --> 00:25:21,838
Speaker 3: wanted to be in the moment of my players. Yeah,

439
00:25:21,958 --> 00:25:25,118
Speaker 3: as a I was not I was a good player,

440
00:25:25,198 --> 00:25:27,558
Speaker 3: but I was in this. I wasn't on a national

441
00:25:27,638 --> 00:25:33,558
Speaker 3: championship team and I wasn't uh jj Reddick and Shane

442
00:25:33,638 --> 00:25:35,278
Speaker 3: Battier and all these guys.

443
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Speaker 5: Uh.

444
00:25:36,798 --> 00:25:40,598
Speaker 3: I I loved being in the moment of my players.

445
00:25:40,998 --> 00:25:43,518
Speaker 3: So I was anxious to go to the next moment.

446
00:25:44,358 --> 00:25:49,318
Speaker 3: I'm always been hungry. Uh And I'm an anal preparer

447
00:25:50,438 --> 00:25:53,478
Speaker 3: like I. Uh And so I was onto the next

448
00:25:53,518 --> 00:26:00,118
Speaker 3: thing right away. And uh uh That's just how I've

449
00:26:00,118 --> 00:26:05,038
Speaker 3: been I you know, And I usn't afraid to lose

450
00:26:05,078 --> 00:26:11,158
Speaker 3: I just I didn't want to lose and h H

451
00:26:11,438 --> 00:26:17,238
Speaker 3: and I wanted to win and winners. Everybody wants to win,

452
00:26:17,998 --> 00:26:21,478
Speaker 3: not everybody wants to prepare to win. And a lot

453
00:26:21,558 --> 00:26:26,238
Speaker 3: after a lot of success, of a great year, you

454
00:26:26,318 --> 00:26:31,798
Speaker 3: can find that the preparation for success again wains and

455
00:26:32,398 --> 00:26:36,118
Speaker 3: a lot of people, a lot of teams, and that

456
00:26:36,118 --> 00:26:39,958
Speaker 3: that's why the storied careers of individuals Kobe Bryant and

457
00:26:40,158 --> 00:26:44,518
Speaker 3: Lebron James and these guys, uh, they resonated because they

458
00:26:44,558 --> 00:26:49,558
Speaker 3: were anal prepares. Kobe Bryant was the best prepared guy

459
00:26:49,638 --> 00:26:53,958
Speaker 3: I've ever seen. Lebron is just like that. And in

460
00:26:53,998 --> 00:26:56,758
Speaker 3: my profession, I wanted to be I call it being

461
00:26:56,838 --> 00:27:00,558
Speaker 3: worthy of winning. You know, you don't always win when

462
00:27:00,598 --> 00:27:03,278
Speaker 3: you're worthy of winning, but damn it, you're never going

463
00:27:03,358 --> 00:27:05,998
Speaker 3: to win unless you're worthy of winning. And the other

464
00:27:06,038 --> 00:27:08,198
Speaker 3: guy might be worthy of winning too and beat you,

465
00:27:08,878 --> 00:27:13,598
Speaker 3: but at least you gave it your best. And uh, yeah,

466
00:27:13,958 --> 00:27:17,358
Speaker 3: I think that's what that was. That was what I

467
00:27:17,438 --> 00:27:21,518
Speaker 3: was supposed to do. That was my in the military,

468
00:27:21,558 --> 00:27:24,598
Speaker 3: that was my mission, and I tried to do that.

469
00:27:24,678 --> 00:27:28,998
Speaker 3: And after forty seven years and I'm seventy five years old,

470
00:27:29,038 --> 00:27:32,998
Speaker 3: I got tired. I got tired of the amount of

471
00:27:33,078 --> 00:27:39,398
Speaker 3: preparation and recruiting and uh, and it was time to plus,

472
00:27:39,438 --> 00:27:43,998
Speaker 3: I'm seventy five, for press sake, it's time to I

473
00:27:44,038 --> 00:27:46,278
Speaker 3: woke up one day, I said, hey, uncle, ahead, you're

474
00:27:46,278 --> 00:27:50,878
Speaker 3: seventy five. And I walked and I said, no, you're

475
00:27:51,118 --> 00:27:54,358
Speaker 3: you're lying to me. And the mirror doesn't lie, you know,

476
00:27:54,678 --> 00:27:55,478
Speaker 3: it doesn't lie.

477
00:27:56,318 --> 00:27:58,878
Speaker 1: Well, coach Kate listening to you, and I couldn't help

478
00:27:58,918 --> 00:28:01,638
Speaker 1: but think of something that the great Vince Scully told me.

479
00:28:02,158 --> 00:28:04,718
Speaker 1: It was his last year broadcasting Odd Your Games. He

480
00:28:04,798 --> 00:28:07,198
Speaker 1: was still the best in the business after all those years,

481
00:28:07,238 --> 00:28:10,318
Speaker 1: and I asked him, how could you possibly be still

482
00:28:10,358 --> 00:28:14,118
Speaker 1: this good for this long? And he actually gave me

483
00:28:14,158 --> 00:28:16,558
Speaker 1: a quote that he said he borrowed from Laurence Olivier

484
00:28:16,638 --> 00:28:18,518
Speaker 1: when he was asked the same thing about acting. And

485
00:28:18,838 --> 00:28:20,838
Speaker 1: I've never forgotten it, and I think there's so much

486
00:28:20,878 --> 00:28:22,918
Speaker 1: truth to it to those who do it so well

487
00:28:22,958 --> 00:28:26,798
Speaker 1: for so long. He said, it takes the humility to

488
00:28:26,918 --> 00:28:30,758
Speaker 1: prepare and the confidence to pull it off. And I

489
00:28:30,838 --> 00:28:34,038
Speaker 1: love that phrase, the humility to prepare, because to me,

490
00:28:34,398 --> 00:28:37,878
Speaker 1: you just resonated that kind of spirit in that no

491
00:28:37,918 --> 00:28:41,278
Speaker 1: matter how successful you are, you never take things for granted,

492
00:28:41,878 --> 00:28:46,558
Speaker 1: and you understand what you don't know. You never stop learning,

493
00:28:46,598 --> 00:28:49,958
Speaker 1: you never stop growing. And it's interesting to hear you

494
00:28:50,038 --> 00:28:54,358
Speaker 1: say that I'm interpreting this, So correct me if I'm wrong.

495
00:28:55,118 --> 00:28:57,358
Speaker 2: You didn't want to just downshift.

496
00:28:57,838 --> 00:29:00,718
Speaker 1: You wanted the same level of preparation, but you got

497
00:29:00,758 --> 00:29:03,638
Speaker 1: to a point where it just you knew you couldn't

498
00:29:03,638 --> 00:29:06,078
Speaker 1: match that level, and that told you it was time

499
00:29:06,118 --> 00:29:08,958
Speaker 1: to go really really interesting, and I think some similarities.

500
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Speaker 1: There are people who do things this well at a

501
00:29:11,598 --> 00:29:12,878
Speaker 1: high level for this long.

502
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Speaker 3: And Tom, you know, I still want to learn. I'm

503
00:29:16,238 --> 00:29:19,278
Speaker 3: very curious, and that's why I speak a lot on

504
00:29:19,478 --> 00:29:23,998
Speaker 3: leadership and teamwork. And it's amazing. Over this last year,

505
00:29:24,198 --> 00:29:28,878
Speaker 3: I've done so many events. How where where we're at

506
00:29:30,598 --> 00:29:39,598
Speaker 3: people with communication, it's lacking, accountability is lacking, relationships are lacking.

507
00:29:40,078 --> 00:29:44,038
Speaker 3: And things that we in the sports world understand are

508
00:29:44,078 --> 00:29:47,318
Speaker 3: so important. People want to hear about that right now?

509
00:29:47,318 --> 00:29:50,798
Speaker 3: How do we do that? How do we do that now?

510
00:29:51,398 --> 00:29:56,758
Speaker 3: And there's a void there, there's a void there right

511
00:29:56,798 --> 00:29:58,358
Speaker 3: now in our in our country.

512
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Speaker 5: Coach may to ask you this, I mean regarding that,

513
00:30:01,158 --> 00:30:02,798
Speaker 5: and I agree with you on hundred percent. We've talked

514
00:30:02,798 --> 00:30:05,758
Speaker 5: about that before we went on. But why are we

515
00:30:05,838 --> 00:30:10,998
Speaker 5: lacking in those areas? Where's the breakdown from twenty thirty

516
00:30:10,998 --> 00:30:14,918
Speaker 5: forty years ago? Where's the breakdown in regards to communicating

517
00:30:14,958 --> 00:30:18,198
Speaker 5: these ideas? Why are we not accepting these ideas that

518
00:30:18,238 --> 00:30:21,558
Speaker 5: we had in the past. Why are like actually some

519
00:30:22,518 --> 00:30:23,558
Speaker 5: people repelling them.

520
00:30:24,158 --> 00:30:26,478
Speaker 6: Why? What's your take on that?

521
00:30:26,518 --> 00:30:28,358
Speaker 5: Why do you think we've arrived at this point where

522
00:30:28,358 --> 00:30:31,078
Speaker 5: we are lacking in all these wonderful well we perceive

523
00:30:31,118 --> 00:30:32,478
Speaker 5: to be great qualities, which they are.

524
00:30:33,278 --> 00:30:36,798
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I think a big thing is how we communicate,

525
00:30:37,198 --> 00:30:42,038
Speaker 3: you know, with zoom phones. You know, COVID obviously took

526
00:30:42,118 --> 00:30:46,758
Speaker 3: a major had on our society and we haven't recovered

527
00:30:46,758 --> 00:30:49,718
Speaker 3: from that. People have gotten into the habit of not

528
00:30:50,638 --> 00:30:57,478
Speaker 3: of not communicating or communicating very superficial officially. You know,

529
00:30:58,078 --> 00:31:01,758
Speaker 3: I don't know how it worked with you. For me,

530
00:31:02,598 --> 00:31:06,358
Speaker 3: I always coach the same age guys eighteen to twenty

531
00:31:06,358 --> 00:31:11,478
Speaker 3: two getting older. So the thing that I had to

532
00:31:12,038 --> 00:31:17,078
Speaker 3: it's called adaptability. I had to adapt and communication, you know,

533
00:31:17,878 --> 00:31:21,598
Speaker 3: maybe two dozen times, like in the last couple of years.

534
00:31:21,638 --> 00:31:25,158
Speaker 3: I'm in my seventies, I'm coaching eighteen and nineteen year

535
00:31:25,158 --> 00:31:29,358
Speaker 3: old kids. You know, I found their attention span was shorter,

536
00:31:30,398 --> 00:31:32,718
Speaker 3: so I had to get things done in a shorter

537
00:31:32,798 --> 00:31:37,958
Speaker 3: period of time. Change locations. I need to show the pictures.

538
00:31:39,838 --> 00:31:43,958
Speaker 3: I need to have my staff talk more. I needed so,

539
00:31:44,278 --> 00:31:48,078
Speaker 3: and then I also needed to dress like I was younger,

540
00:31:48,278 --> 00:31:52,278
Speaker 3: not as young as them, where your message was being

541
00:31:53,358 --> 00:31:57,758
Speaker 3: being received. And then to go along with that, I

542
00:31:57,838 --> 00:32:01,518
Speaker 3: just don't think the accountability factor is alive. And well,

543
00:32:01,678 --> 00:32:05,838
Speaker 3: you know my meddal dog is a dean of students

544
00:32:05,878 --> 00:32:08,678
Speaker 3: that are one of the top high schools here. She

545
00:32:08,798 --> 00:32:11,718
Speaker 3: may have a parent come in and her kid got

546
00:32:11,718 --> 00:32:15,558
Speaker 3: a C in of course, and so the teachers in

547
00:32:15,638 --> 00:32:19,638
Speaker 3: the meeting, and they blame it on the teacher. And

548
00:32:19,678 --> 00:32:22,278
Speaker 3: if I'm the teacher, I'm saying, you know, look, I

549
00:32:22,278 --> 00:32:26,718
Speaker 3: didn't take Jimmy's test. Jimmy got to see. I can

550
00:32:26,758 --> 00:32:28,798
Speaker 3: help Jimmy get a B or an A if he

551
00:32:28,918 --> 00:32:34,238
Speaker 3: takes the responsibility of having to see. And we don't

552
00:32:34,398 --> 00:32:41,758
Speaker 3: hold people accountable to do their best. And with accountability

553
00:32:41,878 --> 00:32:49,318
Speaker 3: comes responsibility, and you're responsible for what you do, you

554
00:32:49,398 --> 00:32:52,478
Speaker 3: are I can help you do it better that you're

555
00:32:52,558 --> 00:32:57,118
Speaker 3: responsible for the successes and the failures. And you know,

556
00:32:57,198 --> 00:33:01,278
Speaker 3: to change limits requires failure. You know, you don't get

557
00:33:01,278 --> 00:33:05,358
Speaker 3: an app for a new town. You got to develop

558
00:33:05,438 --> 00:33:09,558
Speaker 3: the new talent, and new talent there's failure in it.

559
00:33:09,918 --> 00:33:14,558
Speaker 3: And and until you get success that that type of

560
00:33:14,798 --> 00:33:18,158
Speaker 3: type of sick tuitiveness is not I don't think it's

561
00:33:18,238 --> 00:33:23,278
Speaker 3: being taught. And then obviously the value system of our

562
00:33:23,398 --> 00:33:27,558
Speaker 3: country has gone down with all the yeah in our

563
00:33:27,598 --> 00:33:35,678
Speaker 3: political Yeah it's so we've taken ahead. Yeah, we've taken it.

564
00:33:35,758 --> 00:33:38,398
Speaker 3: We've taken ahead, and we need to recover from that

565
00:33:39,278 --> 00:33:43,918
Speaker 3: because it's not it's not good. It's not it's not good.

566
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Speaker 6: Of course not.

567
00:33:45,118 --> 00:33:47,038
Speaker 5: And when you were talking about there, that resonated to

568
00:33:47,078 --> 00:33:50,038
Speaker 5: me also is that you remain contemporary in your own way.

569
00:33:51,038 --> 00:33:53,878
Speaker 5: You know, whether it was dress, whatever the appearance may

570
00:33:53,918 --> 00:33:56,398
Speaker 5: have been. But I've always believed in that too. Jimmy

571
00:33:56,398 --> 00:33:57,958
Speaker 5: Reech taught me that. I remember Jimmy.

572
00:33:57,638 --> 00:33:59,598
Speaker 6: Reees, Yeah, yeah, Jimmy.

573
00:33:59,718 --> 00:34:02,158
Speaker 5: Jimmy was the most contemporary ninety year old I've ever

574
00:34:02,198 --> 00:34:02,798
Speaker 5: met in my life.

575
00:34:03,558 --> 00:34:04,678
Speaker 6: And you know, the guys.

576
00:34:04,718 --> 00:34:08,078
Speaker 5: He would make the guys laugh every day what they joked,

577
00:34:08,078 --> 00:34:10,678
Speaker 5: and Jimmy just got it. He just got it, you know,

578
00:34:10,678 --> 00:34:13,718
Speaker 5: whatever the joke was of the day, Jimmy got it.

579
00:34:13,758 --> 00:34:16,598
Speaker 5: I always always thought that that's something I needed to

580
00:34:16,638 --> 00:34:18,678
Speaker 5: do and I always wanted to do and not I

581
00:34:18,678 --> 00:34:20,878
Speaker 5: guess again, it's an organic thing, hopefully and not so

582
00:34:20,998 --> 00:34:26,958
Speaker 5: much intentional, but the wanting to remain contemporary and understanding what's.

583
00:34:26,838 --> 00:34:27,518
Speaker 6: Going on today.

584
00:34:27,558 --> 00:34:30,238
Speaker 5: But I mean, whether that's you know, the pop stuff,

585
00:34:30,238 --> 00:34:32,838
Speaker 5: pop culture, whatever, that's easy to remain contemporary with that,

586
00:34:32,998 --> 00:34:36,318
Speaker 5: but it's not easy to remain contemporary with the lack

587
00:34:36,358 --> 00:34:39,438
Speaker 5: of values like you're just talking about right now. When

588
00:34:39,478 --> 00:34:41,358
Speaker 5: you get a ball club, you know, the first thing

589
00:34:41,398 --> 00:34:43,118
Speaker 5: in spring training you want is that's that's you know,

590
00:34:43,198 --> 00:34:45,998
Speaker 5: the culture building is establish all this stuff. And I

591
00:34:45,998 --> 00:34:49,198
Speaker 5: would just my hope would be that that, you.

592
00:34:49,158 --> 00:34:50,918
Speaker 6: Know, this becomes a popular again.

593
00:34:51,518 --> 00:34:54,398
Speaker 5: And if there is any old why would that even

594
00:34:54,438 --> 00:34:57,198
Speaker 5: be considered old school to be accountable?

595
00:34:57,198 --> 00:34:58,558
Speaker 6: I mean that that those are the kind.

596
00:34:58,438 --> 00:35:00,558
Speaker 5: Of things that I think they bother all of us,

597
00:35:00,598 --> 00:35:02,038
Speaker 5: and these are the things we got to get a

598
00:35:02,038 --> 00:35:04,118
Speaker 5: handle on because it's just going to keep getting worse

599
00:35:04,198 --> 00:35:04,838
Speaker 5: unless we do.

600
00:35:05,638 --> 00:35:05,758
Speaker 6: So.

601
00:35:05,838 --> 00:35:10,118
Speaker 5: You yes, remain contemporary as a as a coach, a leader, whatever,

602
00:35:10,238 --> 00:35:12,718
Speaker 5: But at the same point, same time, you got to

603
00:35:12,758 --> 00:35:16,158
Speaker 5: really require some old standards, some old ViOS like you're

604
00:35:16,198 --> 00:35:19,118
Speaker 5: talking about to really make this thing work. Otherwise, I

605
00:35:19,158 --> 00:35:20,878
Speaker 5: agree with you, it's going to keep going the wrong direction.

606
00:35:21,638 --> 00:35:26,678
Speaker 3: You know you bring up and something I've admired about you,

607
00:35:27,878 --> 00:35:33,278
Speaker 3: humor is huge in teaching culture. Like you, it can't

608
00:35:33,318 --> 00:35:37,278
Speaker 3: be heavy all the time. And even though I don't

609
00:35:37,278 --> 00:35:39,718
Speaker 3: look like I joke around when I'm on the sidelines,

610
00:35:40,118 --> 00:35:42,198
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, I have a great sense of humor.

611
00:35:42,798 --> 00:35:46,158
Speaker 3: I cut up with the guys all the time and whatever.

612
00:35:46,598 --> 00:35:48,798
Speaker 3: And in watching you, I mean, you guys played one

613
00:35:48,838 --> 00:35:51,878
Speaker 3: hundred you play one hundred and eighty games with spring

614
00:35:52,038 --> 00:35:54,358
Speaker 3: training and all that. If you don't have a sense

615
00:35:54,358 --> 00:35:56,638
Speaker 3: of humor, for crying out loud, it's going to get

616
00:35:56,638 --> 00:35:59,278
Speaker 3: old real real quick. And I loved what you did,

617
00:35:59,758 --> 00:36:03,518
Speaker 3: especially watched you with the Cubs, and you had a

618
00:36:03,518 --> 00:36:06,918
Speaker 3: good sense sense of humor. You know, you didn't take

619
00:36:06,958 --> 00:36:11,118
Speaker 3: yourself as serious even though you knew you were serious.

620
00:36:11,158 --> 00:36:13,638
Speaker 4: And and people people you.

621
00:36:13,558 --> 00:36:18,478
Speaker 3: Can get message across with jokes or fooling around and

622
00:36:18,758 --> 00:36:21,278
Speaker 3: whatever can't just be heavy talks.

623
00:36:21,318 --> 00:36:22,558
Speaker 4: And you've done that.

624
00:36:22,598 --> 00:36:26,198
Speaker 3: I think that's something I've tried to do my entire

625
00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:29,598
Speaker 3: especially as I got older as a coach, I did

626
00:36:29,638 --> 00:36:32,598
Speaker 3: it even more. And it didn't matter that I didn't

627
00:36:32,598 --> 00:36:35,398
Speaker 3: have to be humorous with all the writers, Like if

628
00:36:35,438 --> 00:36:38,678
Speaker 3: Tom was interviewing, man, I could be more serious because

629
00:36:38,678 --> 00:36:41,118
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure if this writers would catch our jokes.

630
00:36:41,238 --> 00:36:46,278
Speaker 5: Joe, that's right, man, right over their heads, coach, right

631
00:36:46,318 --> 00:36:50,958
Speaker 5: over their heads. Yeah, I know sometimes these guys.

632
00:36:51,038 --> 00:36:54,118
Speaker 4: Yeah, well they use that. Some of their words have

633
00:36:54,238 --> 00:36:55,278
Speaker 4: more syllables than the.

634
00:36:55,238 --> 00:36:59,958
Speaker 3: Ones we uh we Well.

635
00:36:59,998 --> 00:37:02,998
Speaker 1: I remember Joe gathering his team together in the outfield

636
00:37:02,998 --> 00:37:05,878
Speaker 1: before spring training workouts, and I was thinking, Man, I

637
00:37:05,878 --> 00:37:08,438
Speaker 1: wonder what strategy they're going over, you know, maybe this

638
00:37:08,478 --> 00:37:11,598
Speaker 1: is about fundamentals or relay plays. It turns out he

639
00:37:11,758 --> 00:37:14,918
Speaker 1: literally had the joke of the day. That was how

640
00:37:14,918 --> 00:37:15,918
Speaker 1: they started their day.

641
00:37:16,438 --> 00:37:18,878
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean I had Tim Buss with the

642
00:37:18,918 --> 00:37:21,958
Speaker 5: Angels and with the Cubs. Bussy is the best coach

643
00:37:22,518 --> 00:37:24,878
Speaker 5: if you whenever you're going on to next I know

644
00:37:25,198 --> 00:37:26,878
Speaker 5: working with the NBA right now a little bit.

645
00:37:26,878 --> 00:37:29,918
Speaker 6: But this guy, he's a glue you need. This is

646
00:37:29,958 --> 00:37:31,518
Speaker 6: one of our original premises with.

647
00:37:32,278 --> 00:37:34,678
Speaker 5: This show is glue guys, and you have to have

648
00:37:34,758 --> 00:37:37,678
Speaker 5: the glue guys and Louke. Every Glue guy I've ever

649
00:37:37,758 --> 00:37:41,678
Speaker 5: met is a pretty funny dude, and everybody gravitates.

650
00:37:41,078 --> 00:37:43,398
Speaker 4: Towards them and they listen to him.

651
00:37:43,558 --> 00:37:45,638
Speaker 6: That's right, that's right, you know, that's right.

652
00:37:45,718 --> 00:37:48,598
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've done this. But a lot of times

653
00:37:48,598 --> 00:37:51,518
Speaker 3: when I had messages to get across to a player,

654
00:37:52,358 --> 00:37:55,638
Speaker 3: I would talk to another player to get that message across,

655
00:37:56,318 --> 00:38:00,318
Speaker 3: so peer to peer, you know, Also it helps them

656
00:38:00,398 --> 00:38:04,438
Speaker 3: develop a relationship. And doing that me with that guy,

657
00:38:05,238 --> 00:38:08,358
Speaker 3: you mean you want me to Yeah, you can explain

658
00:38:08,398 --> 00:38:11,438
Speaker 3: this better than me, really, yeah you can.

659
00:38:11,918 --> 00:38:13,158
Speaker 4: And then later.

660
00:38:13,638 --> 00:38:15,958
Speaker 3: Asked the kid, how did you feel, some coach, I

661
00:38:15,998 --> 00:38:18,238
Speaker 3: felt great about doing that, and I said, we'll follow up,

662
00:38:18,998 --> 00:38:22,278
Speaker 3: follow up with it. And then so you're developing individual

663
00:38:22,398 --> 00:38:26,918
Speaker 3: relationships with you want to play and the players, players

664
00:38:26,918 --> 00:38:31,558
Speaker 3: and players, which then are the foundation for your total

665
00:38:32,118 --> 00:38:36,558
Speaker 3: relationship with the team. And now you can't just develop

666
00:38:36,598 --> 00:38:40,638
Speaker 3: the three like the tom you mentioned the word earlier dictatorship,

667
00:38:41,278 --> 00:38:47,158
Speaker 3: that that's just the one to a bunch relationship, that

668
00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:49,958
Speaker 3: that can't happen, that's not that's not going to work.

669
00:38:50,958 --> 00:38:53,078
Speaker 2: Well, Joe, glad you mentioned glue guys.

670
00:38:53,158 --> 00:38:55,238
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break because I've been

671
00:38:55,238 --> 00:39:00,718
Speaker 1: waiting to ask Coach K about identifying blue guys and

672
00:39:01,278 --> 00:39:03,918
Speaker 1: some of his favorites will dive into that right now

673
00:39:03,998 --> 00:39:06,158
Speaker 1: for this cool.

674
00:39:15,598 --> 00:39:17,318
Speaker 2: Okay, Coach K. Glue guys.

675
00:39:17,678 --> 00:39:20,158
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about some of the changing values

676
00:39:20,238 --> 00:39:23,718
Speaker 1: that coaches, not just parents have to deal with. What

677
00:39:23,798 --> 00:39:26,758
Speaker 1: I've seen, at least in baseball, is it the culture

678
00:39:26,958 --> 00:39:29,518
Speaker 1: is more self centered than it used to be. That

679
00:39:29,758 --> 00:39:34,798
Speaker 1: to me, hallmarks of teamwork are diligence, selflessness, and now

680
00:39:34,798 --> 00:39:37,438
Speaker 1: we have a culture that sort of rewards individuality, which

681
00:39:37,478 --> 00:39:39,318
Speaker 1: is not itself bad, but I think it makes it

682
00:39:39,358 --> 00:39:42,038
Speaker 1: more difficult in a team environment. I'm thinking about the

683
00:39:42,038 --> 00:39:45,558
Speaker 1: baseball showcase circuit, or instead of playing for a team

684
00:39:45,638 --> 00:39:49,718
Speaker 1: and playing winning baseball, you are trying to showcase your

685
00:39:49,878 --> 00:39:54,078
Speaker 1: skills individually. So for you, Coach K, when you go out,

686
00:39:54,118 --> 00:39:57,158
Speaker 1: you're on the recruiting trail, and obviously it begins with talent.

687
00:39:57,278 --> 00:40:00,798
Speaker 1: We all know that, But can you and did you

688
00:40:01,078 --> 00:40:05,558
Speaker 1: identify guys who will be those glue guys that can

689
00:40:05,598 --> 00:40:08,798
Speaker 1: make a team a team that see beyond themselves.

690
00:40:09,558 --> 00:40:12,398
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well, we always look for character, even

691
00:40:12,438 --> 00:40:19,198
Speaker 3: in like the Latner, the Tatum or whatever, because I

692
00:40:19,198 --> 00:40:22,678
Speaker 3: always coached my best players the hardest. I always felt

693
00:40:22,678 --> 00:40:27,038
Speaker 3: that a great player wanted to be better, and instead

694
00:40:27,038 --> 00:40:31,398
Speaker 3: of using the player, I was going to develop that player.

695
00:40:31,958 --> 00:40:33,798
Speaker 3: And sometimes I tell them I'm going to get on

696
00:40:33,838 --> 00:40:37,998
Speaker 3: your butt like crazy today and that'll show the other

697
00:40:38,038 --> 00:40:44,718
Speaker 3: guys stuff. And and being the best players lonely because

698
00:40:44,838 --> 00:40:47,478
Speaker 3: there's a certain amount of jealousy on every in every

699
00:40:47,558 --> 00:40:51,638
Speaker 3: unit and h and so you have to get over that.

700
00:40:51,718 --> 00:40:56,158
Speaker 3: The blue guys are the guys. They they have personalities

701
00:40:56,718 --> 00:40:57,918
Speaker 3: that are a little bit different.

702
00:40:58,598 --> 00:40:59,078
Speaker 4: Uh.

703
00:40:59,598 --> 00:41:02,118
Speaker 3: You know, one of my best blue guys became one

704
00:41:02,118 --> 00:41:05,558
Speaker 3: of my best leaders, Steve Wojob. You know, he was

705
00:41:05,598 --> 00:41:11,038
Speaker 3: our hardest worker and and he Blue guys feel the

706
00:41:11,118 --> 00:41:17,198
Speaker 3: pulse of a team. They batty a on my even

707
00:41:17,238 --> 00:41:19,958
Speaker 3: though he is a National Player of the Year. He

708
00:41:20,038 --> 00:41:24,318
Speaker 3: was playing with Jason Williams, Carlos Boezer, Mike Donlevy. And

709
00:41:25,038 --> 00:41:28,318
Speaker 3: so sometimes a blue guy doesn't mean that they're bad plains.

710
00:41:29,998 --> 00:41:33,358
Speaker 3: A blue guy can be You're actually your best player.

711
00:41:33,678 --> 00:41:38,278
Speaker 3: It's the guy that has the personality. His personality can

712
00:41:38,318 --> 00:41:42,878
Speaker 3: permeate through the entire team that people will listen listen

713
00:41:42,958 --> 00:41:46,198
Speaker 3: to him, that he'll say something in a huddle. You know,

714
00:41:46,358 --> 00:41:49,278
Speaker 3: sometimes at a time out, I would ask battye a

715
00:41:49,638 --> 00:41:53,278
Speaker 3: what do you think? And he'd say something that's better

716
00:41:53,318 --> 00:41:56,958
Speaker 3: than me. A cool story. When we won our national

717
00:41:57,038 --> 00:42:01,998
Speaker 3: championship in two thousand and one, our first practice, you know,

718
00:42:02,078 --> 00:42:06,158
Speaker 3: we stretch to go and usually I would say something

719
00:42:06,198 --> 00:42:09,998
Speaker 3: to him, and Beattier got the team together and he

720
00:42:10,038 --> 00:42:14,958
Speaker 3: said something, and I said, let's go. I said, I

721
00:42:14,998 --> 00:42:17,678
Speaker 3: said to myself, I can't say that better than what

722
00:42:17,758 --> 00:42:20,838
Speaker 3: he said. And then after practice, I said, how did

723
00:42:20,878 --> 00:42:22,718
Speaker 3: you think of that? He said, what do you mean

724
00:42:22,798 --> 00:42:25,118
Speaker 3: what you said? He said, I don't know, Coach, I

725
00:42:25,198 --> 00:42:28,518
Speaker 3: just said what I felt. I said, well, keep doing that.

726
00:42:29,238 --> 00:42:31,278
Speaker 3: I didn't talk to the team the rest of the year.

727
00:42:31,398 --> 00:42:35,198
Speaker 3: Right after he talked to the team every day and then,

728
00:42:35,358 --> 00:42:37,638
Speaker 3: but he also talked to the team on the court.

729
00:42:37,878 --> 00:42:40,678
Speaker 3: See a blue guy to me, a lot of catchers

730
00:42:40,678 --> 00:42:45,798
Speaker 3: are glue guys. They uh and their voice goes out

731
00:42:45,838 --> 00:42:50,958
Speaker 3: to everybody, and so if if they can talk and whatever.

732
00:42:51,358 --> 00:42:54,638
Speaker 3: And again there we talked earlier about being in the moment.

733
00:42:56,078 --> 00:42:59,198
Speaker 3: Those glue guys are like that. John Shire, who's the

734
00:42:59,238 --> 00:43:02,798
Speaker 3: new head coach here, he was that type of player

735
00:43:03,118 --> 00:43:08,398
Speaker 3: and blue guy for us when we play our last

736
00:43:08,518 --> 00:43:14,678
Speaker 3: national championship in twenty fifteen, Quinn Cook was that guy.

737
00:43:14,718 --> 00:43:18,878
Speaker 3: He just had the personality to do that, and he,

738
00:43:19,638 --> 00:43:22,638
Speaker 3: you know, after a Practicas Jones was a freshman, he

739
00:43:22,718 --> 00:43:25,318
Speaker 3: was a senior. You'd see him walking off the court

740
00:43:25,358 --> 00:43:27,878
Speaker 3: and Quinn had his arm around him, you know, like

741
00:43:28,078 --> 00:43:32,238
Speaker 3: good job and whatever. So but again, a blue guy

742
00:43:32,278 --> 00:43:36,918
Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's it's like a role player all the time.

743
00:43:37,158 --> 00:43:39,478
Speaker 3: A glue guy can be your best player too.

744
00:43:40,478 --> 00:43:43,198
Speaker 1: Joe, I'm sure you loved hearing that about catchers, being

745
00:43:43,238 --> 00:43:45,838
Speaker 1: a former catcher yourself, but there is something to that.

746
00:43:45,878 --> 00:43:46,678
Speaker 2: He is dead on.

747
00:43:46,958 --> 00:43:49,318
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was right on the money with that coach.

748
00:43:49,478 --> 00:43:50,238
Speaker 4: Now, I got Joe.

749
00:43:50,438 --> 00:43:55,318
Speaker 3: I got Joe Snouk before the podcasted.

750
00:43:54,998 --> 00:43:56,278
Speaker 6: Well done, Well done.

751
00:43:56,438 --> 00:43:59,358
Speaker 1: Well coaches timed as we do with all of our guests,

752
00:43:59,398 --> 00:44:02,078
Speaker 1: to play a little game here. Oh don't worry, it's

753
00:44:02,118 --> 00:44:02,958
Speaker 1: very easy to play.

754
00:44:03,558 --> 00:44:04,038
Speaker 2: Well.

755
00:44:04,118 --> 00:44:11,558
Speaker 1: It a reading from the book of Joe. Yeah, we

756
00:44:11,598 --> 00:44:13,598
Speaker 1: feel like you could crack open our book and you're

757
00:44:13,638 --> 00:44:18,118
Speaker 1: going to find something interesting, whether it's about coaching, life, baseball,

758
00:44:18,318 --> 00:44:20,558
Speaker 1: you name it. So we ask our guests to just

759
00:44:20,638 --> 00:44:23,678
Speaker 1: pick a number between one and three. Hundred and sixty

760
00:44:23,718 --> 00:44:27,318
Speaker 1: eight and we'll dive in and see what the reading

761
00:44:27,358 --> 00:44:27,918
Speaker 1: brings us.

762
00:44:28,198 --> 00:44:29,558
Speaker 2: So it's your turn.

763
00:44:30,438 --> 00:44:32,998
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll take forty four.

764
00:44:33,878 --> 00:44:36,278
Speaker 1: Number forty four. I would not have guessed that. Now,

765
00:44:36,438 --> 00:44:38,198
Speaker 1: why is that? You got to tell me? It's is

766
00:44:38,198 --> 00:44:40,198
Speaker 1: that a favorite number, a lucky number?

767
00:44:40,478 --> 00:44:43,118
Speaker 3: That was my high school number. I'm going back to

768
00:44:43,198 --> 00:44:45,198
Speaker 3: the time I was. I knew I was going to

769
00:44:45,238 --> 00:44:47,838
Speaker 3: be a player, a coach, and.

770
00:44:49,598 --> 00:44:50,558
Speaker 2: Well, this goes back.

771
00:44:51,558 --> 00:44:53,998
Speaker 1: It goes back not quite the high school for Joe,

772
00:44:54,038 --> 00:44:56,638
Speaker 1: but his pre managing days when he was on the

773
00:44:56,758 --> 00:44:58,798
Speaker 1: road as a scout.

774
00:44:59,078 --> 00:45:02,998
Speaker 3: He wasn't the three time manager of the year. At

775
00:45:02,998 --> 00:45:06,958
Speaker 3: one time in his life, he had to pay his dues,

776
00:45:07,318 --> 00:45:09,438
Speaker 3: and that's something that's not a wive.

777
00:45:10,678 --> 00:45:14,558
Speaker 5: That's right, earning the right to be there, exactly, absolutely,

778
00:45:14,958 --> 00:45:15,598
Speaker 5: no question.

779
00:45:15,798 --> 00:45:18,118
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he goes out his first day as a

780
00:45:18,118 --> 00:45:21,278
Speaker 1: professional scout and he's on the road with a veteran scout,

781
00:45:21,318 --> 00:45:23,878
Speaker 1: you know, Tuch trying to learn his way around, by

782
00:45:23,878 --> 00:45:29,038
Speaker 1: the name of Louke Knauer. And they're out in Tucson, Arizona,

783
00:45:29,438 --> 00:45:32,078
Speaker 1: at spring training. They're looking at teams and players, but

784
00:45:32,438 --> 00:45:35,638
Speaker 1: lou decides to teach Joe the ways of being a scout.

785
00:45:35,678 --> 00:45:38,238
Speaker 2: He's got to bring him to the track at night.

786
00:45:39,918 --> 00:45:41,518
Speaker 4: There are a lot of scouts to do that.

787
00:45:42,238 --> 00:45:44,518
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's what Joe says.

788
00:45:44,598 --> 00:45:47,358
Speaker 1: He says, I'm thinking, okay, well maybe I can make

789
00:45:47,398 --> 00:45:49,998
Speaker 1: a couple of bucks out of this. I just follow

790
00:45:50,118 --> 00:45:53,038
Speaker 1: Lou and I can possibly double the little amount of

791
00:45:53,078 --> 00:45:55,878
Speaker 1: money that he's making at the time, he says.

792
00:45:55,958 --> 00:46:00,078
Speaker 2: And what happened, Well, he lost whatever I bet I lost.

793
00:46:00,358 --> 00:46:02,678
Speaker 1: It was maybe twenty five bucks, which might as well

794
00:46:02,718 --> 00:46:04,878
Speaker 1: have been ten thousand at that point.

795
00:46:05,558 --> 00:46:06,918
Speaker 2: Then Lou looks at.

796
00:46:06,758 --> 00:46:10,678
Speaker 1: Me, puffing out the heater, pulling out it deeply, smoke

797
00:46:10,758 --> 00:46:14,238
Speaker 1: all around him, and he gives me that smoker squint

798
00:46:14,238 --> 00:46:17,318
Speaker 1: and he says, with that Colin Houer giggle, get him

799
00:46:17,358 --> 00:46:21,438
Speaker 1: next time, kid, right, cool man? Looking back on it,

800
00:46:21,518 --> 00:46:24,678
Speaker 1: being so out of your element and taking a risk,

801
00:46:25,478 --> 00:46:29,358
Speaker 1: don't you somehow develop balls being in situations like that,

802
00:46:30,158 --> 00:46:33,078
Speaker 1: And obviously, Joe, that's the point of it, just being

803
00:46:33,758 --> 00:46:36,318
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and learning from brother discomfort.

804
00:46:36,398 --> 00:46:36,638
Speaker 6: Brother.

805
00:46:36,798 --> 00:46:39,158
Speaker 5: I mean, I left Boulder, Colorado with one hundred bucks

806
00:46:39,198 --> 00:46:42,638
Speaker 5: in my pocket going to southern California to become a

807
00:46:42,678 --> 00:46:46,118
Speaker 5: major league scout and have to drive over to Arizona.

808
00:46:45,718 --> 00:46:50,278
Speaker 6: With no credit cards whatsoever. And then they're putting me Lou.

809
00:46:50,318 --> 00:46:54,238
Speaker 5: I'm lose my guy, Lou, funny guy without trying to be.

810
00:46:54,318 --> 00:46:55,718
Speaker 6: And then you go to Tucson.

811
00:46:56,758 --> 00:46:59,558
Speaker 5: I know he probably put my room on his car,

812
00:46:59,638 --> 00:47:00,798
Speaker 5: but he says, let's go to the truck.

813
00:47:00,838 --> 00:47:02,718
Speaker 4: I can't say no, no, I can't say.

814
00:47:03,158 --> 00:47:05,078
Speaker 6: I can't tell I have no money. So you just go.

815
00:47:05,118 --> 00:47:06,798
Speaker 5: You just go take a chance, you go take a

816
00:47:06,878 --> 00:47:08,998
Speaker 5: chance with it. I lost, and I don't even know

817
00:47:08,998 --> 00:47:12,038
Speaker 5: what I did after that, But again, you're right, it's

818
00:47:12,078 --> 00:47:13,078
Speaker 5: about taking chances.

819
00:47:13,118 --> 00:47:14,358
Speaker 6: It's about taking risks.

820
00:47:15,678 --> 00:47:18,878
Speaker 5: Sometimes you just have to gamble in yourself a little bit,

821
00:47:18,918 --> 00:47:20,918
Speaker 5: you know, and not knowing what the outcome is going

822
00:47:20,958 --> 00:47:23,798
Speaker 5: to be. Obviously, I'm so happy that I had done that.

823
00:47:24,278 --> 00:47:26,238
Speaker 5: I was so pleased that Low was the guy that

824
00:47:26,278 --> 00:47:28,798
Speaker 5: took me over there. And as you're talking that whole

825
00:47:28,838 --> 00:47:30,198
Speaker 5: thing through, I could just see him in my mind

826
00:47:30,198 --> 00:47:31,878
Speaker 5: as I could see Lucity next to me in the

827
00:47:31,918 --> 00:47:35,718
Speaker 5: car or at the ballpark. And that's the thing about

828
00:47:35,718 --> 00:47:37,438
Speaker 5: our game, and you just kind of alluded to that

829
00:47:38,198 --> 00:47:41,878
Speaker 5: the earning of these positions. I feel good about what

830
00:47:41,958 --> 00:47:45,398
Speaker 5: I've done, the chances that I've had because man, since

831
00:47:45,518 --> 00:47:47,718
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty one, I was doing all kinds of I

832
00:47:47,758 --> 00:47:49,998
Speaker 5: did all the you know, I cleaned all the toilets, so,

833
00:47:50,038 --> 00:47:51,838
Speaker 5: you know, you do all that stuff, and then eventually

834
00:47:51,878 --> 00:47:55,398
Speaker 5: you get opportunities. So those are moments men that really

835
00:47:55,478 --> 00:47:59,518
Speaker 5: resonate with me. I love that, and yeah, I do wish.

836
00:47:59,558 --> 00:48:02,878
Speaker 5: I've had a lot of guys that I've played for

837
00:48:02,918 --> 00:48:06,238
Speaker 5: me become managers. And the thing I advised all of

838
00:48:06,278 --> 00:48:07,758
Speaker 5: them to do is, I said, before you become a

839
00:48:07,798 --> 00:48:10,758
Speaker 5: major league manager, go and manage rookie ball and be

840
00:48:10,798 --> 00:48:13,718
Speaker 5: an area scout for at least one draft and see

841
00:48:13,718 --> 00:48:14,758
Speaker 5: what that all feels like.

842
00:48:14,758 --> 00:48:16,638
Speaker 6: But I could not convince any of them to do that.

843
00:48:18,598 --> 00:48:20,598
Speaker 6: You know, feel like coach you talked about it.

844
00:48:20,638 --> 00:48:23,438
Speaker 5: Feel feel is the gift of experience, right, And when

845
00:48:23,478 --> 00:48:26,038
Speaker 5: you get to those hot moments and things just don't.

846
00:48:25,798 --> 00:48:27,638
Speaker 6: Make sense and you have to rely on your instincts.

847
00:48:27,918 --> 00:48:30,198
Speaker 5: If you've not honed them, you don't know where to go.

848
00:48:30,798 --> 00:48:33,558
Speaker 5: So I'm a big believer in all that stuff. And yeah,

849
00:48:33,638 --> 00:48:36,958
Speaker 5: lou who is that the essence of it? And yes

850
00:48:37,038 --> 00:48:40,398
Speaker 5: he did take many big drags on heaters.

851
00:48:40,838 --> 00:48:44,478
Speaker 3: You know, you're you had the opportunity to get sage

852
00:48:44,518 --> 00:48:49,958
Speaker 3: advice from not another manager or whatever, but people in

853
00:48:49,998 --> 00:48:53,198
Speaker 3: your game who looked at the game and understood the

854
00:48:53,238 --> 00:48:54,478
Speaker 3: game differently.

855
00:48:55,158 --> 00:48:57,478
Speaker 4: And I don't.

856
00:48:57,718 --> 00:49:02,438
Speaker 3: Again, that's what you're saying about going into different area,

857
00:49:02,558 --> 00:49:06,358
Speaker 3: having different jobs. That's where I was fortunate to go

858
00:49:06,438 --> 00:49:11,998
Speaker 3: through to rebuilding things because you there's no greater teacher

859
00:49:12,078 --> 00:49:15,358
Speaker 3: than experience. And if you only get experience in one

860
00:49:16,518 --> 00:49:20,958
Speaker 3: from one set of people instead of a whole group

861
00:49:20,998 --> 00:49:23,398
Speaker 3: of people, you're not going to be as You're not

862
00:49:23,438 --> 00:49:26,718
Speaker 3: going to be as good. And and people, Yeah, people

863
00:49:26,758 --> 00:49:31,838
Speaker 3: want instant success right now. That's why there's so much mobility.

864
00:49:32,278 --> 00:49:38,798
Speaker 3: People are leaving things early instead of staying and uh

865
00:49:38,838 --> 00:49:40,878
Speaker 3: and it's a different time and how do you teach

866
00:49:40,918 --> 00:49:44,678
Speaker 3: that now? Yeah, I mean that's one of the one

867
00:49:44,718 --> 00:49:47,958
Speaker 3: of the things I try to talk about. You still

868
00:49:47,958 --> 00:49:50,958
Speaker 3: got to do that, Yeah, you still have to do it.

869
00:49:50,998 --> 00:49:55,918
Speaker 3: I was fortunate to play for Bob Knight, and my

870
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Speaker 3: relationship with him help me meet other outstanding coaches. And

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Speaker 3: I listened and I was around them, and you know,

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Speaker 3: you do whatever work you need to do just to

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Speaker 3: be at a table some time to listen and the

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Speaker 3: mister IBOs, Coach Knowle's and the people that were affecting

875
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Speaker 3: Coach Knight's coaching career as a result of being around him.

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00:50:25,318 --> 00:50:29,918
Speaker 3: You got to listen to them and I was very

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Speaker 3: fortunate to have those opportunities.

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Speaker 1: Well, Coach just has just been really fascinating, even more

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00:50:37,758 --> 00:50:41,078
Speaker 1: fascinating than I knew it would be. You've touched on

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00:50:41,118 --> 00:50:43,798
Speaker 1: a lot of themes that we touched on in the book,

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Speaker 1: and you brought us to many other different places. Your

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00:50:46,558 --> 00:50:51,598
Speaker 1: insights are just incredible. Appreciate all of your time before

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Speaker 1: we let you go. It sounds like you're very busy.

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Speaker 1: You're still challenging yourself. Give our listeners kind of an

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Speaker 1: update on on what your life is like these days

886
00:51:03,318 --> 00:51:04,318
Speaker 1: and staying busy.

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00:51:04,758 --> 00:51:07,838
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we still live. My wife and I have

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00:51:07,878 --> 00:51:11,958
Speaker 3: a lifetime contract with Duke as ambassadors. So I'm in

889
00:51:12,038 --> 00:51:16,198
Speaker 3: my same office, I have my same help. I do

890
00:51:16,278 --> 00:51:18,278
Speaker 3: a lot of the stuff that I did when I coach,

891
00:51:18,438 --> 00:51:22,598
Speaker 3: except I coach and recruit for our university. So that's great.

892
00:51:22,638 --> 00:51:26,838
Speaker 3: I love to My whole family lives here, my three daughters,

893
00:51:26,878 --> 00:51:30,198
Speaker 3: our ten grandchildren. When does that happen? They all live

894
00:51:30,278 --> 00:51:33,518
Speaker 3: within ten minutes of us, so we're an filmed with that.

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Speaker 3: I do a lot of speaking all over the country

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Speaker 3: for the Washington Speakers Thiau. I have a show on

897
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Speaker 3: Sirius XAM. We're running a huge nonprofit for seventeen years,

898
00:51:46,078 --> 00:51:50,478
Speaker 3: the Emily Shazevsky Center here in Durham. We now service

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00:51:50,518 --> 00:51:53,878
Speaker 3: about two thousand kids. And I'm as happy as can be.

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00:51:54,038 --> 00:51:56,718
Speaker 3: And I don't know about you, jettle Bit. For me,

901
00:51:57,198 --> 00:52:01,518
Speaker 3: the greatest thing that's happened for me since retirement was

902
00:52:01,598 --> 00:52:07,718
Speaker 3: the discovery of mind space. You know, like when I'm

903
00:52:07,878 --> 00:52:10,798
Speaker 3: at one thing, I can just think about that one

904
00:52:10,878 --> 00:52:15,318
Speaker 3: thing with coach or whatever. You're always thinking about other things.

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Speaker 3: And I love that, and I love the fact that

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Speaker 3: I'm I call myself an independent contractor right now. I'm

907
00:52:23,038 --> 00:52:26,718
Speaker 3: just responsible for me and my wife sometimes says you

908
00:52:26,758 --> 00:52:30,078
Speaker 3: need to be more responsible, but I try to be

909
00:52:30,158 --> 00:52:33,678
Speaker 3: as much as I can. But I'm happy, healthy, and

910
00:52:34,318 --> 00:52:35,998
Speaker 3: I've been the luckiest guy in the world.

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00:52:36,878 --> 00:52:39,438
Speaker 6: Beautiful Coach. Thank you, buddy, I really appreciate it.

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00:52:39,478 --> 00:52:42,198
Speaker 3: Thank you all right, it's an honor to be with you.

913
00:52:42,798 --> 00:52:47,558
Speaker 3: And best of luck with the with the book. I yeah,

914
00:52:47,638 --> 00:52:53,118
Speaker 3: it's common sense. And to have the best writer and

915
00:52:53,238 --> 00:52:57,798
Speaker 3: one of the best coaches ever in the game combined.

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00:52:58,438 --> 00:53:01,478
Speaker 3: I don't know who twisted who twisted the other guy's.

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00:53:01,278 --> 00:53:01,918
Speaker 4: Arm to do this.

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00:53:02,518 --> 00:53:05,038
Speaker 5: I think I approached Tommy for and then of course

919
00:53:05,038 --> 00:53:08,438
Speaker 5: he was on board, and during the pandemic we really

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00:53:08,838 --> 00:53:11,798
Speaker 5: worked a lot on it and eventually came to fruition.

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Speaker 2: As you imagined, Coach K.

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Speaker 1: It didn't take a lot of arm twisting to have

923
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to get inside that mind.

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Speaker 2: The most interesting man in baseball.

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Speaker 4: A good man, good man.

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Speaker 2: Love you guys, Thanks coach, Thanks so much, coach be well.

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Speaker 4: Coached, Thank you all right, take care byebye.

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Speaker 1: Well that was a pleasure, And Joe, your pressure's on

929
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Speaker 1: now to take us out with something to follow up

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Speaker 1: on all those pearls of wisdom from Coach K.

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Speaker 2: So what do you have today?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going with Coach K. My hunger is My

933
00:53:42,838 --> 00:53:46,318
Speaker 5: hunger is not for success. It is for excellence, because

934
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Speaker 5: when you attain excellence, success just naturally follows. I mean,

935
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Speaker 5: that's pretty much what I got out of this whole

936
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Speaker 5: conversation today. He's about doing things in an excellent manner,

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00:53:57,198 --> 00:54:00,838
Speaker 5: consistently and again, never being in a hurry. And I

938
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Speaker 5: love the fact that he empowers those around him, he

939
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Speaker 5: doesn't try to preach. All that stuff resonated with me.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 5: And again, when you get some when you got a

942
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Speaker 5: guy like that talking about things that validate kind of

943
00:54:11,478 --> 00:54:14,278
Speaker 5: some of your own personal philosophies, what could be better

944
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Speaker 5: than that?

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Speaker 6: I really believe after.

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Speaker 5: People coaches listen to this particular podcast, you're going to

947
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Speaker 5: walk away with the same kind of thoughts.

948
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Speaker 6: Man. Coach K just validated one of my thoughts.

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Speaker 1: It has to be absolutely on point, absolutely powerful stuff.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Coach K and thanks to you, Joe. See

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Speaker 2: you next time, all right, buddy, You take care man.

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