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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: sit here today, Buck, this is an unprecedented day in

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Speaker 1: American history. I think the impact of this day is

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Speaker 1: going to be substantial. What the legacy will be remains uncertain.

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Speaker 1: As we are speaking to you right now, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is in the New York City Courthouse, the Manhattan Criminal Court.

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Speaker 1: There footage airing on all networks of police officers standing

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Speaker 1: court related employees standing on one side of the door.

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Speaker 1: It appears as Donald Trump, and every time the door opens,

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Speaker 1: they zoom in Buck to see whether or not Trump

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Speaker 1: is going to come walking out of that door, and

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Speaker 1: so far it has not happened. The carnival, the circus

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Speaker 1: like atmosphere outside of the courthouse. You've heard our producer

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Speaker 1: Ali alongside of her muscle Greg, who is helping to

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Speaker 1: make sure that she stays safe. But it is hyperbolically

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Speaker 1: often said, this is a bombshell moment. This is a

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Speaker 1: incredible story. Everybody out there has never been alive in

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Speaker 1: an American country where a president or former president, to

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Speaker 1: say nothing of a currently leading opposition can it to

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, who is in the White House right now,

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Speaker 1: has been charged with a crime. The crime is, as

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Speaker 1: we have discussed on this show, legally speaking, junk, at

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Speaker 1: least so far in New York City, based on what

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Speaker 1: has been reported in what we expect to see in

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Speaker 1: this indictment. But in any moment, Trump may come through

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Speaker 1: that door and may begin to speak with the media

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Speaker 1: that is gathered there as he prepares for his arraignment.

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Speaker 1: To kind of put in context what will happen. Trump

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Speaker 1: will go into this courtroom, the charges will be provided

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Speaker 1: to him, he will say not guilty. Presumably we will

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Speaker 1: have audio of that not guilty plea that then reverberates

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Speaker 1: across the entire media sphere and around the world. And

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Speaker 1: then Trump may well step outside and address the throngs

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Speaker 1: of supporters, protesters, police that are all gathered in the

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Speaker 1: streets of Manhattan, and then reports are that he's going

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Speaker 1: to get back on his airplane, fly back to our

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Speaker 1: lago and have an address tonight associated with all of this.

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Speaker 1: But my goodness, just from a historic perspective, both you

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Speaker 1: and I are history nerds, Buck, this is a major

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Speaker 1: moment in American history. It's a tragic and sad in

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Speaker 1: our opinion moment. But we really don't know what the

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Speaker 1: legacy will be because frankly, we don't know what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen from here. Nobody does. That's that you're Frankly,

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Speaker 1: they're sounded kind of Trumpian, by the way, maybe you're

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Speaker 1: feeling a little emotive connection to you, Frankly, probably, But

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Speaker 1: I can't impress upon people how crazy it is that

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Speaker 1: every time this door opens, are off the charts right

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Speaker 1: now for just as still camera inside of the Manhattan

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Speaker 1: Criminal Court. I mean, it's a little bit like a

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court when that decisions about to be released and

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Speaker 1: I also believe that it's it's not really possible to

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Speaker 1: walking through it. Look look at Tom. Tom's walking through

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Speaker 1: it means for the rule of law, which is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that we've established that day for United States regardless politics wise, though,

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Speaker 1: they shortly will come face to face in this New

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Speaker 1: Trump enters his plea of not guilty. So the politics

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Speaker 1: Remember the Secret Service, and this is established, has been

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Speaker 1: much still actively looking at that. You know. It's interesting, Clay,

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Speaker 1: the Special Council looking into Biden's hand, Isn't that so weird?

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Speaker 1: We don't get any peak at all into the Special

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Speaker 1: Council that Merrick Garland appointed to look at Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: you know, papering his walls with classified documents. You know,

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Speaker 1: But we're waiting for Trump to come out. If he

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Speaker 1: it's almost you know, I think for some people it's

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Speaker 1: a little reminiscent of coming down the escalator. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: on what he says and how it goes, and you

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Speaker 1: talk about one man and his significant trajectory of history

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Speaker 1: that surrounds him. Imagine, Buck, if Trump says, right before

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Speaker 1: We don't know what's going to happen in Georgia. We

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Speaker 1: Will that Trump Show continue? If so, Trump may well

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Speaker 1: I think there's not enough discussion about this. Democrats desperately

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Speaker 1: have to consider the possibility here that with all of this,

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Speaker 1: like the Fifth Avenue comment, Right, he could shoot somebody

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Speaker 1: The flip side of that is he could save somebody

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Speaker 1: still think he's Hitler. Right. How fixed our public opinion

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Speaker 1: gotta give Trump, we gotta get him. This quote from Napoleon,

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Speaker 1: always gets back on his feet. There you go. That's

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Speaker 1: the immediate aftermath of the midterms, would you have ever

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Speaker 1: months ago? Basically, would you have ever believed Trump would

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Speaker 1: this is a direct attack on American democracy and even

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Speaker 1: though he thinks he'll be a great president, he thinks

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Speaker 1: it's more important to rally behind Trump right now and

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Speaker 1: arguably basically make himself the nominee in twenty eight. In theory, now,

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Speaker 1: four years a long time, six years a long time.

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Speaker 1: Some people missed their moment, you know, like you would

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Speaker 1: have thought, hey, this is this is the desantist year

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Speaker 1: because of how well he responded to COVID and the

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Speaker 1: big win that he had in November. But six months later, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I never would have seen Trump rising up in this way.

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Speaker 1: And now they're showing photos from inside the New York courthouse. Yes,

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Speaker 1: his lawyer Joe Takapina to his left in the photo Trump,

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Speaker 1: well just looking like Trump. You can't really tell. He's

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Speaker 1: got a good poker face. I would say the question

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Speaker 1: about what the punishment is supposed to be here as well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure that Bragg has thought that through

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Speaker 1: or you know that it matters to him at this point,

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Speaker 1: because to go through all this, think about the expense

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Speaker 1: to the city of New York, oh no, I know

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Speaker 1: something about this from the NYPD side, from when I

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Speaker 1: was there and filling I was filling out NYPD overtime

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Speaker 1: slips when I was an Intel division. Right, this is

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Speaker 1: gonna this is gonna cost the city. You know, huge sums,

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Speaker 1: huge sums of money. I mean just the just the

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Speaker 1: air cover alone, of the additional helicopter time and everything

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Speaker 1: that's you know, fuel is very expensive. These things get

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Speaker 1: very pricey, very fast. So you're gonna go through all this.

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Speaker 1: It's one hundred and fifty thousand dollars payment or what

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Speaker 1: it was, one hundred seventy hundred and fifty something like that, right,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty to storey one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: allegedly to Karen McDougall to eighty total. So what what

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Speaker 1: do you You're gonna go through all this so that

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Speaker 1: you have Trump pay Uh, I don't know, a two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Fine, No, they're trying to

463
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Speaker 1: put They're gonna try to put him in jail. You

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Speaker 1: think they're, Oh my god, that's where I'm going. Reason now,

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Speaker 1: like Alvin Bragg is not going to accept because in

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Speaker 1: most cases like these, right in most cases, like the

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Speaker 1: the two sides would say, this is not a very

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Speaker 1: significant issue that probably would never be charges brought or

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Speaker 1: will never charges. But they would take a plea for sure.

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Speaker 1: It would be a misdemeanor. Somebody would pay a small

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Speaker 1: fine and the story would just go away. Trump is

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Speaker 1: not going to take a plea, right, so that then

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Speaker 1: takes which means that a fine. You know, when when

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Speaker 1: you say no to a plea In almost all court situations,

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Speaker 1: you know, criminal situations, you say no to a plea.

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Speaker 1: If they get you, they make an example out of you.

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Speaker 1: That's the way that it goes. That usually means you're

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Speaker 1: facing some kind of time, right, because I say, the

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Speaker 1: crazy thing here is as crazy as it is there is.

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Speaker 1: And again you have to think probabilistically. And when I

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Speaker 1: say that to everybody out there listening, I mean, no

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Speaker 1: one exactly knows what's going to happen. It's like a game, right,

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Speaker 1: super Bowl. Anything could happen in one game, right, This

484
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Speaker 1: is like a super Bowl of politics. Anything can happen

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Speaker 1: in this case. There is a scenario buck where Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is convicted by a biased New York City jury

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Speaker 1: of this trumped up charge and he is sentenced to

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Speaker 1: time in prison, and that could happen, think about this book,

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Speaker 1: That could happen after he is the Republican Party nomination.

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Speaker 1: And we made fun of Joe Biden running a campaign

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Speaker 1: from his basement, Trump could run a campaign for the

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Speaker 1: presidency of the United States from prison, and we'd have

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Speaker 1: to assume that based on the amount. You know, there

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Speaker 1: are guidelines about this, I would just I mean, there

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Speaker 1: are guidelines about all criminal cases about what the the

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Speaker 1: statutory maximum minimum can be for the time you serve. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And now you know this really as everyone knows. Just

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Speaker 1: keep in mind, folks, ninety eight percent of criminal charges

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Speaker 1: are resolved with plea barten in the federal system. And

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Speaker 1: it's very high at this, you know, at the almost

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Speaker 1: nobody goes to trial, state and local system as well.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, it's not quite ninety seven because no

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Speaker 1: one wants to go up against the Feds, but it's

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Speaker 1: very high. People take a plea. They take a plea,

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Speaker 1: you know, because they know it's take six months in

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Speaker 1: prison or face ten years in prison. That's how it goes.

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Speaker 1: So now we've got Donald Trump. A fine's obviously not

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Speaker 1: going to cut it. The statutory minimum maximum situation you're

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Speaker 1: not going to assume is very minor. But to what

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Speaker 1: we're looking at here, if they could even force Trump

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Speaker 1: to spend two weeks in jail, yeah, I think they would.

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Speaker 1: I think they would try to do it. They would say, see,

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Speaker 1: we're being very reasonable. Two weeks will be in the

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Speaker 1: elderly wing of you know, rikers or whatever. And it's

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Speaker 1: crazy to say this out loud, but we're dealing with

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Speaker 1: crazy people. Yeah. Now, the other thing, everybody needs to

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Speaker 1: know the motioning by which I mean the attempt to

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Speaker 1: change of venue, the appeal on whether this is even

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Speaker 1: valid once they have read the full charges, whether this

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Speaker 1: is even a valid case, right is this is their

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Speaker 1: statute of limitations issue. There will be a massive amount

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Speaker 1: of motions followed in this case. And as we talked

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Speaker 1: with Andy McCarthy, who's more of an expert on the

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Speaker 1: how far backed up the Manhattan Criminal Court is. Fuck,

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Speaker 1: it's possible, I say possible, that we could go all

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Speaker 1: the way through next year's presidential election without this case

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Speaker 1: ever being able to get to trial. So this is

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Speaker 1: just I mean, look at this may be the craziest

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Speaker 1: election cycle we've ever seen. The way, if I'm advising Trump,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to stand trial until after the presidential

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Speaker 1: election has occurred, right, and certainly I don't want to

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Speaker 1: stand trial during the primary season. I just again to me,

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Speaker 1: whatever you think about how wild the Trump case is,

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Speaker 1: imagine if you're Nicky Haley or rond Santis or the

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Speaker 1: team's advising them, they have no idea how to handle this. Truly,

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Speaker 1: without precedent, nobody's going to pay attention unless you hold

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Speaker 1: the press conference to talk about Trump. Nobody cares what

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Speaker 1: Nicky Haley's doing. Nobody really cares what Ronda Santis is doing.

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Speaker 1: The Trump Show has so soaked up all of the

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Speaker 1: oxygen that it's almost impossible for anybody else to get notice.

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Speaker 1: This becomes disconcerting as well. By the way, Well, we

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Speaker 1: got Ali down there, right so we can check in

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Speaker 1: with her. She's outside the courthouse. But it's disconcerting as

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Speaker 1: well at some level that this is going to be

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Speaker 1: the billions of dollars, And unfortunately, I think that actually

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. All right, welcome back. It is Trump

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Speaker 1: indictment Day. As we all know, Trump indictment is unsealed

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Speaker 1: now following the arraignment. So the court as his process here,

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Speaker 1: this is just breaking. The court has to now let

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Speaker 1: to public see what the thirty that we were told about,

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Speaker 1: and that was what was reported on felony indictments against

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Barr. I think it is going to be

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Speaker 1: highly underwhelming to anybody who cares about the rule of law.

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Speaker 1: Actually gonna be pretty tragic to anybody who cares about

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Speaker 1: the rule of law. Wanted to also note that Clay

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Speaker 1: just he just shared this the official Trump website. They

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Speaker 1: are sharing photos of Trump's mug shot, which is not

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Speaker 1: the real mug shot, right, but it says not because

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Speaker 1: they couldn't have done that already. Not guilty t shirts.

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Speaker 1: He's got not guilty T shirts with the mug shot

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Speaker 1: of Trump on them that Trump Trump is selling, just

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Speaker 1: to be clear. Already. So that's being that's underway. Let's

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Speaker 1: get to producer Ali, who is down there at the

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Speaker 1: courthouse right now. Producer Ali, bring us into the scene.

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Speaker 1: What's going on. Well, we've been told that thinks they're

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Speaker 1: a little bit delayed, so we probably before the show ends. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've had him leave the courthouse. But the energy is

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Speaker 1: still really up here. People are eavesdropping on a lot

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Speaker 1: of really interesting arguments. People are getting into with each other,

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Speaker 1: mostly about socialism and communism. But yeah, the crowds still

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Speaker 1: we're just all waiting basically in a holding patterns. So Ali,

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Speaker 1: you're outside. Trump has officially pled not guilty to all

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Speaker 1: of the charges that were arrayed against him. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you heard Buck there as the intro,

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Speaker 1: but this is true. They are now selling not guilty

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Speaker 1: mocked up Trump mug shots. We don't even know if

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Speaker 1: he actually got a mug shot taken or not. I

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Speaker 1: have not seen that reported officially. They said that he

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Speaker 1: might not Buck might do it. I don't think anybody

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Speaker 1: really knew. But they are now raising money for the

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Speaker 1: Trump presidential campaign with a mocked up mug shot and

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Speaker 1: not guilty underneath it. Again, this is from the official

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Speaker 1: Trump campaign. So you want to talk about next to

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Speaker 1: level wackiness. Not only is Trump mocking the idea that

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Speaker 1: presidential campaign by selling mug shot t shirts that just

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Speaker 1: went up online. In the last couple of minutes you

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Speaker 1: mentioned Ali, as we've appreciated you coming on with us

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Speaker 1: the last Throughout the course of the show there you

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Speaker 1: mentioned what the vibe was. What does it feel like

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Speaker 1: now inside of that spot, better worse? Does it still

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Speaker 1: have a kind of a frivolous, frivolity sort of zany

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Speaker 1: feel or has it gotten more tense as time has

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Speaker 1: gone on. It's definitely not gotten more tense. Greg and

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Speaker 1: I kind of anticipated, we had anticipated aggressive energy, and

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Speaker 1: we're not getting aggressive energy. We're getting energy like a

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of emotion, but it's not a

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Speaker 1: it's not aggressive that if that makes any sense. People

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Speaker 1: are just I think they're just waiting see how it

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Speaker 1: all plays out, and definitely letting their support for him

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Speaker 1: be known in the crowd more so than the other side.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, Ali, Ali, thank you so much. Stay safe,

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Speaker 1: Get back up to the mothership, get back up to

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Speaker 1: the radio studio, all right, get out of there before

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Speaker 1: the commies find out who you are. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: doing that live reporting for US. Producer Ali always appreciate you, Clay.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're just strapping in for a wild ride,

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Speaker 1: my friend. This is just the beginning of it. Honored

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Speaker 1: to be here with you and all of our listeners

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Speaker 1: across the country, though, because at least we're in this

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Speaker 1: craziness together. It's a day unlike any other in American history,

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Speaker 1: and it ain't getting normal anytime soon. Keep hanging with

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Speaker 1: Playing Book,