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Speaker 2: Sunday Hang with Playing Fuck podcast. It starts now. I

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Speaker 2: flew out to California yesterday after our show. There is

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Speaker 2: a major vibe shift that has taken place. Forty percent

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Speaker 2: of Californians roughly are going to vote Trump, So there

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Speaker 2: are tons of Trump voters listening to us right now

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Speaker 2: in California. You and I have talked about how we

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Speaker 2: are fans of the state of California, beautiful place. I

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Speaker 2: hate to see what Democrats have done to cities like

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Speaker 2: La San Francisco, places that are just fabulous and should

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Speaker 2: be incredible to live. But I will say that there

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Speaker 2: are a lot of Trump supporters coming out of the woods.

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Speaker 2: On my airplane flight last night. When I went to

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Speaker 2: coming up and just saying, Hey, Trump won, Thank you

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Speaker 2: for what you and Buck do. Thank you for what

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Speaker 2: you do at out Kick on a level that I've

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Speaker 2: never seen before. Buck and I've been traveling out to

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Speaker 2: is it is palpable, the feeling that things have changed

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Speaker 2: Certainly after twenty sixteen and in the past Sunday hang

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Speaker 2: with Clay and Buck, A lot of the data is

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Speaker 2: out and the biggest move that occurred from twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: Many of you out there listening to us right now

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Speaker 2: voted in an election for the very first time, and

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Speaker 2: up at OutKick right now. I shared it from my Twitter.

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Speaker 2: We'll link it up at Clayanbuck dot com. But I've

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Speaker 2: been thinking a lot about as these Trump celebrations have happened.

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Speaker 2: You saw John Jones doing the Trump dance last night,

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Speaker 2: Christian Pulistic, the soccer player, did it. Lots of different

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Speaker 2: we're not apologizing for it. How did this happen? How

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Speaker 4: Andy, gentlemen, thanks for taking Mike palm. I'm a Rush baby,

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Speaker 3: Driver from Colorado here play is right on the money.

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Speaker 2: I love it, Bucket. I this is you and me.

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