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Speaker 1: Today we are authored talking to podcaster of Bevilations, Lessons
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Speaker 1: Welcome to.
Speaker 4: Where am I looking? This is my camera?
Speaker 1: That's your camera right there here with you're in the room.
Speaker 1: But I got now over there. This is all good.
Speaker 1: We are here, bebby. How are you?
Speaker 5: I'm really good?
Speaker 1: Yes? Do we know?
Speaker 4: That's Friday?
Speaker 1: They they Friday, It'll be a Friday when they watched.
Speaker 5: It, Friday love Friday, because you know that means that
Speaker 5: the weekend is upon us and we get to have
Speaker 5: the agains.
Speaker 1: Them and I had AGAs last night.
Speaker 4: Well, Thursday is a new Friday.
Speaker 1: Thursday is the new.
Speaker 3: Last night we had last night.
Speaker 1: We were legit at the strip club last night, strip club,
Speaker 1: our friend.
Speaker 3: Your tattletale. What do you mean, it's just the way.
Speaker 1: You do it? You're it was game night last night.
Speaker 1: It was love everybody. It was like it was both
Speaker 1: of It was both our clan there.
Speaker 3: That was why why do you feel you felt like
Speaker 3: there was a lot of gay men in there?
Speaker 1: There were I literally was welcomed through to the door by,
Speaker 1: like a dude that's on Broadway doing a local ball.
Speaker 1: I saw Punky so I was our friends, our friends
Speaker 1: Matt Richards. He every once in a while he'll like
Speaker 1: host a uh competition, strippers competition. Is it ate Knight
Speaker 1: for them or something? No, no, no it's not, but
Speaker 1: it's at it didn't look it's a competition. So usually
Speaker 1: they all usually just get tens across the boy. I've
Speaker 1: never known how much money do you get for this competition.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you do. But they were making
Speaker 1: it rained last night. There's money involved. We were making
Speaker 1: it making it rain last night.
Speaker 3: I don't remember how much.
Speaker 1: I don't remember how much either, but we have important.
Speaker 1: It was odd. It was oddly queer. It was oddly
Speaker 1: queer in a way that I've only been to that
Speaker 1: competition twice now, I don't require I don't recall being
Speaker 1: there as many queer people in it felt So.
Speaker 4: Is it a straight place that has a lot of
Speaker 4: quer No, it was.
Speaker 1: It's a straight place. But I just like.
Speaker 5: A gentleman's club. Yeah, so it's nice. You get wings
Speaker 5: and steak, Yeah, yeah, about mistake.
Speaker 2: I don't know about the steak. I don't I don't
Speaker 2: really order like heavy meals at strip clubs.
Speaker 1: Really, even in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: I was saying, let's the magic city. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: because you have to know Cheetah.
Speaker 2: I'll eat a good mail like cheetah. Is that the
Speaker 2: one you took me to in Atlanta? It's off the
Speaker 2: highway or something like, No, no, no, I took you
Speaker 2: to the Flame I took it was a few years
Speaker 2: the Dirty Dirty She took me to the We were
Speaker 2: watching tanks versus some guys.
Speaker 1: She she flew me out.
Speaker 3: I didn't just fight you.
Speaker 2: I put you on a private a little little, little
Speaker 2: little play.
Speaker 1: I was playing a little fun. Let you be a
Speaker 1: boy for the weekend. But we got to that strip club,
Speaker 1: but you saw the boy kind of went away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got gay. I got game the strip club because
Speaker 1: Trina came on and started.
Speaker 5: The girls. I was just like, yeah, I got a
Speaker 5: little well, you know what, back in the day that
Speaker 5: was accepted. And but as long as you think you're
Speaker 5: on the stage, absolutely, I wouldn't dare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on this particular strip club girls, I had never been.
Speaker 1: I'd been to strip clubs and destrouble before. Whatever been
Speaker 1: a couple here Atlanta strip club. Though, that's just a
Speaker 1: different experience.
Speaker 5: You know what's a very different experience. It's a New
Speaker 5: Orleans strip club.
Speaker 1: Yes, very what's what's the difference? I think very grunge.
Speaker 5: It's the term Milan strip clubs, very like you'd be like,
Speaker 5: I need to get up there and just show everybody
Speaker 5: what to do. It's more like it's a lot of
Speaker 5: language walking around white and even if it's black girls
Speaker 5: in there, even if it's what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, but it's white facing, like even the African girls
Speaker 2: working in a white like a striple, like you're talking
Speaker 2: to overseas, that might be African girl in it, but
Speaker 2: she's there to white men and they're enticed by a
Speaker 2: different type of stripping behavior.
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly. So it's a little.
Speaker 1: State in your experience. May be has there is there
Speaker 1: if you've been to like a strict club recently, has
Speaker 1: there do you see like any comparisons or contrasts in
Speaker 1: strip club culture like in the nineties versus now, Well,
Speaker 1: because we are here to talk about the nineties, about
Speaker 1: the nineties, we are here, you are.
Speaker 5: Killing always comes in handy. I love it the way exactly.
Speaker 5: I think like back in the day, I feel like
Speaker 5: the girls were more earnest house. But it's just like
Speaker 5: with reality TV. Remember like the original Reality TV, people
Speaker 5: didn't know the.
Speaker 1: Plot the first Real World, Yeah, people didn't.
Speaker 4: Know the plot. Now people know the plot, they know
Speaker 4: the assignment.
Speaker 5: In the nineties, girls didn't understand how much money could
Speaker 5: really be made. I feel like people were there, like
Speaker 5: they really were working their way through school.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, not just a lot of
Speaker 1: Now that's just a.
Speaker 5: Line that they say, right like, and I think that
Speaker 5: that's the difference.
Speaker 4: Like the girls are far more professional.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they're uh stripping than they were back in
Speaker 5: the day where it was like literally it could really
Speaker 5: be a girl next door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel you on that. I feel that.
Speaker 2: I can remember like late nineties going to elect clubs
Speaker 2: in Atlanta when I wasn't supposed to be in there,
Speaker 2: and I will say, like, you know, mitilate, it was
Speaker 2: like just to see like what's And yeah, I would say.
Speaker 3: They were they were a little more innocent.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they were a little more.
Speaker 1: So you would say that how to be a player
Speaker 1: was like a period piece. Yeah, I'm getting my black
Speaker 1: movies mixed up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's so iconic for everything there was, there.
Speaker 3: Was more diamonds.
Speaker 1: There's more diamonds out there in the world.
Speaker 3: Everybody's uh, Ronnie, everybody, everybody's n.
Speaker 1: I really don't believe, I truly believed that that film
Speaker 1: did not get It's just dude, when it comes to
Speaker 1: like how it was received, I.
Speaker 4: Just feel like it needs to be a part of
Speaker 4: the Criterion collection.
Speaker 1: Really, players go for sure? For sure?
Speaker 5: For sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Fantastic performances all around, all around, fantastic performance ever got
Speaker 2: back at his.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, truly we got introduced to Terrence Howard,
Speaker 1: Jamie going crazy, going crazy, Ice Ice going crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we be clubbing, I remember.
Speaker 3: And the best we've ever gotten out Lisa Ray shame
Speaker 3: and better.
Speaker 2: I know she might cuss me out for saying that's
Speaker 2: her to other fource, but yeah, I also would really
Speaker 2: ready you come to New York, I sa I would
Speaker 2: love for her to cust me out.
Speaker 1: To cuss you out. Yeah, that was that you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like this, that's a kink for you in
Speaker 1: this way, in this context, my.
Speaker 4: Curse me out.
Speaker 1: And that's just what that lovely gentleman who is all white.
Speaker 1: Oh she got she got her man wearing white too.
Speaker 4: I think he always wore white.
Speaker 3: Okay, two lovers and white.
Speaker 1: And white. So you are you show up fabulous. I
Speaker 1: just feel like that's always been your vibe. I've seen you,
Speaker 1: I've seen you. I've seen all right, I've seen you
Speaker 1: around town. So I'm sure. The question that we usually
Speaker 1: ask people when they bring to us the moment in
Speaker 1: time that they want to bring up, we asked, who
Speaker 1: were you what did you have going on.
Speaker 2: During the grand fashion and grand baby fashion? We said,
Speaker 2: pick a year, and Bety picked a decade. So here
Speaker 2: we are, give.
Speaker 3: Me the whole.
Speaker 5: It was a year for you, right, it was a
Speaker 5: year for me. Like you have to remember, like you
Speaker 5: guys understand that. Think about all the songs and be
Speaker 5: like nine to five, you know the you know, it's
Speaker 5: just like nineties, weren't it.
Speaker 4: It was the golden age of hip hop.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 5: It was. So I'm from Harlem. I'm fifty nine years old.
Speaker 5: So hip hop is literally my first music. It is
Speaker 5: my music, not my mom's music, not my big brother's music.
Speaker 1: It's my music. And you're in the city where it's found.
Speaker 5: I'm in Harlem, Yeah, which is right across the bridge
Speaker 5: from the Bronx, So I'm at all the jams. I
Speaker 5: remember you hearing rappers the light from down the block,
Speaker 5: and you hear it and you run towards the sound.
Speaker 5: I'm that girl, right yea. So by the time we
Speaker 5: get to the nineties and there's coinage connected to hip hop,
Speaker 5: because you gotta remember, in the eighties, it was all
Speaker 5: the hustlers that were the stars of the community. Like
Speaker 5: so when ELLK who j would come up to the rooftop,
Speaker 5: he would be looking at Poe, which poor the a
Speaker 5: Z that's a uh paying them for.
Speaker 4: So he would come up there. All the hustles were
Speaker 4: the ones that everyone looked up to. But then in
Speaker 4: the nineties, the rappers finally really started making money and
Speaker 4: then the tables turned. But then the hustlers began to
Speaker 4: be their managers and having what they.
Speaker 2: And what does that do for a bevy smith living
Speaker 2: in the nineties, What is tell us who you are.
Speaker 1: With the hustlers.
Speaker 5: I was running with everybody, the hustles and rappers everything.
Speaker 5: So the craziest thing about me in the nineties is
Speaker 5: that I always I was always a smart girl, and
Speaker 5: I was always a corporate girly. So in the nineties,
Speaker 5: I was at all the clubs, all the parties, all
Speaker 5: the shenanigans, but I could never go to the after
Speaker 5: after the party, which is when you would get in
Speaker 5: the caravan and you would go to Merley Beach, you
Speaker 5: would go to Virginia Beach, you go to Atlantic City,
Speaker 5: and the guys would say, I'll pay you for your day.
Speaker 5: Can't pay me for my day because I'm a corporate lady.
Speaker 5: So there's no way that I can miss a meeting
Speaker 5: with like Tina Brown, who's like the event chief of
Speaker 5: Vandy Fair magazine. Do that. But the interesting thing about
Speaker 5: all of that is that nobody outside in the streets
Speaker 5: knew I had a corporate job.
Speaker 1: That's what your job.
Speaker 5: I was a media director at a luxury advertising agency.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, what was that? What was that?
Speaker 5: What was that sort of advertising agency? Didn't know I
Speaker 5: was a hot girl like that?
Speaker 1: How did you naver? Because I know you said you
Speaker 1: were like this Williams.
Speaker 2: And her cocaine, Well until it got out of control,
Speaker 2: you know, Well not quite.
Speaker 1: But I'd say I even liking it to the way
Speaker 1: we used to run our lives when we first started
Speaker 1: doing stand up. You were working at the you were
Speaker 1: working in the nut industry.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 1: She worked for a I had other jobs, but but
Speaker 1: that was the one you working with. This is the
Speaker 1: this is the career, the career, she introduced our audience episode.
Speaker 1: We discussed how we was one of my jobs. That's
Speaker 1: the only She was working with Funk and I was
Speaker 1: selling business cards from in a sweaty, sweaty cold calling
Speaker 1: job in Midt and East were both moonlighting as standing
Speaker 1: comedians and I was not sharing my comedian journey with
Speaker 1: my co workers. We talked business cards and get out
Speaker 1: of here.
Speaker 4: Business card my business card from from Vine.
Speaker 2: You do you never want people at your like regular
Speaker 2: job to know you have dreams.
Speaker 1: No, because they can take it in your big when
Speaker 1: to come to the show. Now I'm talking about Dick
Speaker 1: and I'm going crazy. Now my coworkers is in there.
Speaker 1: I can't have this.
Speaker 3: It's like there's always somebody.
Speaker 2: Ship was going to be like, oh they late because
Speaker 2: they was doing shows to get messy.
Speaker 1: That LinkedIn count so fast. As soon as I got
Speaker 1: my first TV credit, I was like, Okay, how did
Speaker 1: you like maintain the like the division between your hot
Speaker 1: your hot girl time and corporate time.
Speaker 5: We were young women who were very clear that we
Speaker 5: wanted to have a big light and all regards. So
Speaker 5: we did our good work and when we got off work,
Speaker 5: it was over.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: See these young girls now they drag around these corporate jobs. Hone,
Speaker 5: even with them everywhere. They don't never rest. They're not
Speaker 5: having that much fun. They're not having that much.
Speaker 2: They like they got their laptops with them on trips. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're they're working all.
Speaker 5: The what end? And to what end? They're gonna fire you,
Speaker 5: They're gonna lay you off. I need to tell you
Speaker 5: they will eventually always, So we knew to turn it off.
Speaker 5: And once we turned that off, we turned something else on.
Speaker 1: Boom and you love that comes in here that way, no.
Speaker 5: Work, but it was it was like really a thing
Speaker 5: of like I remember my my boyfriend who was in
Speaker 5: independent pharmaceutical sales. He would he was like a king
Speaker 5: at rutca mm hm. And I would get off work
Speaker 5: and I would take off my work clothes. I would
Speaker 5: put on like a Vasachi dress that he had brought me,
Speaker 5: and I would tosi wrote my finance up to that
Speaker 5: rucky game, honey.
Speaker 4: And because he was like a big thing at Rucca.
Speaker 5: When I would come, they would stop the game so
Speaker 5: I could walk across the course. So you're.
Speaker 4: Living it up, no, because there's so many like in
Speaker 4: the state.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I never looked up to my peer group.
Speaker 1: But like the women in Harlem that you kind of
Speaker 1: had like outside of like maybe like family members, were
Speaker 1: there any women.
Speaker 5: Like you the bar maids in the bar because they
Speaker 5: were To this day, everything I do in life, I
Speaker 5: am literally channeling the bar maids of Harlem. Wow. Because
Speaker 5: I'm a host, so everything I do is through that prism.
Speaker 5: So I am the consummate hostess because those women that
Speaker 5: worked the bars, they were consummate hostess. When you came in,
Speaker 5: they knew what you drank. They knew if your a
Speaker 5: woman was in there with your the last woman that
Speaker 5: you were dealing with, they would give you the baby.
Speaker 5: Don't come up in here because you know in here
Speaker 5: she in the corner, but roof over there, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
Speaker 5: They knew everybody, and more importantly, everybody knew them, and
Speaker 5: so that was like for me, I didn't even know
Speaker 5: how much I was digesting that until I got good
Speaker 5: and grown.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm the damn man, you know corporate Tina.
Speaker 1: So is that? What is that what drew your inspiration
Speaker 1: to starting your dinners? Your dinners with.
Speaker 5: Was started because I was broke and and that, and
Speaker 5: that was because when I would go over to Milan
Speaker 5: in Paris but Vibe, I used to host then the
Speaker 5: parties for all the celebrities that we would bring over there,
Speaker 5: and I would introduce them to the brands. So that
Speaker 5: in was from that and then and then I decided
Speaker 5: to do it for myself.
Speaker 1: Because I remember reading about those dinners like a line
Speaker 1: years ago and I just be like, you.
Speaker 5: Getting out, I've been doing dinner with Bevy?
Speaker 1: Really? Yes, Sam? Sam mentioned, she said she was again, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was nice. Yeah, it was cool. You feel like
Speaker 1: if you felt like a bad bitch.
Speaker 2: I would like But I did feel like I had
Speaker 2: arrived in the space, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is like I was like, this.
Speaker 4: Is elevating my fancy people in them.
Speaker 1: There were fancy people in the room.
Speaker 2: It was nice to be invited to something that was
Speaker 2: like sisterhood because I don't get invited.
Speaker 4: To things like yeah, I don't play those games.
Speaker 1: And that was nice. Yeah, you know, what I mean.
Speaker 2: So that was cool to just be invited to something
Speaker 2: for women, because that doesn't happen to me often.
Speaker 1: I also don't get invited to things for men.
Speaker 5: So like a lot of don't get hav an events.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go to stud dinner, no, because
Speaker 2: all are so territorial and mean spirited. Whoa whoa, whoa,
Speaker 2: whoa whoa.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. What you like?
Speaker 3: I don't know you no?
Speaker 4: Okay, So so I have I have black friends.
Speaker 5: I have a couple of stun friends, and they've told
Speaker 5: me that a lot of times there's a lot of
Speaker 5: peacocking that goes on when there's a gathering.
Speaker 2: This is when there's other studs and yeah, a lot
Speaker 2: of people. I feel like it's no different than what
Speaker 2: men do. And there's a bunch of men in the
Speaker 2: room to some degree, but I don't I think the
Speaker 2: territorialness or what people one when you studs get disrespected
Speaker 2: a lot by by masculinity, right, they're not really we're
Speaker 2: not real boys, you know what I'm saying. So a
Speaker 2: lot of times, a lot of that aggression would be
Speaker 2: like these studs be sold. It's because it's like you're
Speaker 2: there's a way you're talking about women or stuff that
Speaker 2: you're doing that.
Speaker 3: I know if I was another man, you wouldn't do this, right.
Speaker 3: I know, if I was.
Speaker 2: Another man, you wouldn't behave the sweat. But you're doing
Speaker 2: it because to you, there's just two bitches. So I
Speaker 2: do have to be a little more like, hey, bro, right,
Speaker 2: what's up? Because you're aggressing me intentionally because of what
Speaker 2: I am. And I think stuffs do carry a little
Speaker 2: chip on their shoulder.
Speaker 1: Find that.
Speaker 3: When it comes to other studs.
Speaker 2: I think it's just the same type of posture and
Speaker 2: that dude posture. And I think when you're comfortable, there's
Speaker 2: no need for posturing. But I do think they're just
Speaker 2: you know, it's just an element of like, bro shit,
Speaker 2: broke shit.
Speaker 3: You know who's got it?
Speaker 1: Who don't?
Speaker 5: Right, Who's who's really running in? Whose? Sensitive? Man? Would
Speaker 5: never work work for me because I like a sensitive,
Speaker 5: nice man.
Speaker 1: Right. The pants suit stood the corporate sto.
Speaker 5: But nobody wants to see it. People in the pants. Okay,
Speaker 5: that doesn't that doesn't sound fun. He's a person wearing
Speaker 5: a pants not on Saturday.
Speaker 1: Not all the time. There are yeah, our galleries like
Speaker 1: basketball coaches. Yeah, well, speaking of maybe, so like in
Speaker 1: the nineties, were you I don't I feel like I
Speaker 1: don't have to ask this, but I'm pretty much I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure you were in with the gays also in
Speaker 1: the nineties, running around with the gays in the clubs.
Speaker 4: To that's the thing though, Okay, okay, now all right,
Speaker 4: let's keep it one. I had a role. Uh so,
Speaker 4: I stopped going to.
Speaker 5: The red zone in like the twenties or something, okay,
Speaker 5: and like lower Man, lower man, and I stopped on
Speaker 5: the red zone because it was a lot of backpackers,
Speaker 5: I e.
Speaker 4: Broke guys there, hoxuals.
Speaker 5: No, there's broke guys. Okay.
Speaker 4: So I mean I'm too fine shaking my ass.
Speaker 5: I want someone coming up to me and they can't
Speaker 5: even really buy me an orange and and vodka. Vodka.
Speaker 5: That doesn't work for me. No red zone for screwdriver.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make some grow.
Speaker 5: Why am I waisting all of that?
Speaker 1: Sorry to be a boy.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, all that we talked to, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: The original inn.
Speaker 4: Don't put that on don't put that on them.
Speaker 5: And then there were what's the legendary one the house
Speaker 5: club that everyone talks about. Oh my god, I'm joining
Speaker 5: the blank.
Speaker 1: I heard so much about it used to be back
Speaker 1: for the games.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't go there a lot either, because again I'm
Speaker 5: want to go someplace where it's men that like the vaginants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course you don't understand what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: you know what, Actually, thank you, thank you because I'm
Speaker 1: a state of.
Speaker 5: The bar.
Speaker 1: Know me for this, because I'm gonna say, I'm first
Speaker 1: of all, I'm gonna give your flowers right now based
Speaker 1: off that statement, because I've been I've had this on
Speaker 1: my heart. Straight ladies, with my camera. Straight ladies. I
Speaker 1: love you, I love you, I support you. I will
Speaker 1: fight for you. I will sign petitions for you. I
Speaker 1: will give money to any cause. Get out of my bar,
Speaker 1: gotta my club. You're in the way. But listen, listen
Speaker 1: to Ben. Listen to Ben. I know, but but you
Speaker 1: were like all right at the certain time, I leave you.
Speaker 1: I leave you because the girl, because the girl hold
Speaker 1: on the girls ally the girls today are they at
Speaker 1: the club? They're in the dark room?
Speaker 3: Where are dark?
Speaker 2: And can I tell you somewhere are ugly I'm supposed
Speaker 2: to go where the ly girls supposed to go where
Speaker 2: ugly girls supposed to.
Speaker 4: Well, there's no such seconds ugly. That just means you're poor.
Speaker 3: Remember that they have that. Girls want to dance to baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just look get out of that. Aways want to.
Speaker 2: Try to funk on gay guys because it's a challenge
Speaker 2: of like, can I can I turn this guy? And
Speaker 2: I've had get into my vagina just the same way bitch.
Speaker 2: Straight dudes, we're trying to gay women like it's the same.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's something a little more kink kink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I think a lot of it
Speaker 1: is just power. Whatever dudes hit on me.
Speaker 3: A lot of it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think some of them may be like
Speaker 2: a little by and don't want to go be full by.
Speaker 2: But I think most of it is just can I
Speaker 2: make this nigga bitch.
Speaker 1: Be a bitch? Yeah? Can again?
Speaker 3: Could I turn her back into a right? That's the
Speaker 3: that's the lord.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Put down?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't want to see you in the bus down,
Speaker 5: but you do have a pretty little face, so you
Speaker 5: could do so many things.
Speaker 4: You're opting out of it.
Speaker 1: We just started this podcast, and some of them comments
Speaker 1: already in some of these girls in the comments are like,
Speaker 1: oh Sam, looking good these days.
Speaker 3: All why don't you send me these comments?
Speaker 1: You can see them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, don't.
Speaker 2: But if you're trying to be a friend to me,
Speaker 2: you can go back to the Allies ship.
Speaker 5: So let me tell you something. I grew up in Harlem.
Speaker 5: Always had gay friends. I had seven year old gay friends.
Speaker 5: I had gay friends who were children and little, tiny
Speaker 5: gay people and knew they were gay and walked in it.
Speaker 4: And I'll never forget. When I was a young woman.
Speaker 5: Anthony Geene, Anthony Ray from Fame came back home because
Speaker 5: his mother was a queen pin like. She ran a
Speaker 5: lot of West Harlem heavy money, so he had money
Speaker 5: before he ever went on TV. He was flied before
Speaker 5: he ever went on TV. Came back from l A
Speaker 5: after being on the Fame, and he was a beautiful man.
Speaker 5: That body was woof greased up, that beautiful complexion, all
Speaker 5: these gold chains had.
Speaker 4: On all white. You saw the women that one no no, no,
Speaker 4: no no no. I just see beauty, beauty, the knowledge.
Speaker 5: But I'll never forget he came on and because back
Speaker 5: in the eighties, you know, you used to wear the
Speaker 5: little tiny tennis shorts. Yes, and he had them legs
Speaker 5: in that book. Baby.
Speaker 4: He came on, and then guys on the block was
Speaker 4: trying to like punk him.
Speaker 5: He said, I know you not talking because I had
Speaker 5: you you and you and I'm about to fly you
Speaker 5: at so I know you not talking because I don't
Speaker 5: have all of y'all on this corner and nobody had
Speaker 5: anything to say.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: He also told them F word don't mean punk.
Speaker 1: Come on that and what did that do for you?
Speaker 5: What it did for me? Was it?
Speaker 4: So I'll tell you this.
Speaker 5: I didn't understand that being gay was a negative because
Speaker 5: in my community, the black gay men that I was
Speaker 5: around held their own so they were not maligned.
Speaker 4: They were part of the community, right, They the community.
Speaker 5: So they I didn't I didn't know from and then
Speaker 5: I went into white fashion again where they are exalted. Right.
Speaker 4: So then I go and I and I'm like.
Speaker 5: Meeting I did it young black gay men from other places, and.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, why are you not game.
Speaker 5: Like because I'm not I'm not day and it's like,
Speaker 5: you know, and then and then I had to understand
Speaker 5: that it's not everybody doesn't have a safe space, but
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 4: Of course Harlem is the home what's created.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we moved him to be game.
Speaker 5: Mhm.
Speaker 3: What is your song of the nineties.
Speaker 2: If you had to encapsulate the decade, because you did
Speaker 2: this to yourself, So if you have to encapsulate the
Speaker 2: decade in a song, what is your song of the nineties?
Speaker 4: Well, he has a insane thing.
Speaker 5: For my thirty fifth birthday, I came out to Bitches
Speaker 5: ain't ship but holes and Stricts, which is in an
Speaker 5: l A song, which is weird. But I was obsessed
Speaker 5: with the chronic. The chronic is the reason why I
Speaker 5: wanted to go back to l A. And me and
Speaker 5: my girlfriend went to l A. We did a trip
Speaker 5: just based off the chronic and we went to all
Speaker 5: the highlights of all the videos and everything, and my
Speaker 5: friend made the mistake of wearing blue and then it
Speaker 5: was problematic, but we had a great time.
Speaker 4: We were the Princess Club Slam Slam.
Speaker 3: It was your friend or girl or a guy.
Speaker 5: Girl.
Speaker 1: Shout out to LA for gang banging on the lady.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Shout out to l A. Yeah for gang banging on
Speaker 1: the ladies.
Speaker 4: Opportunity shout out.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you so I'm so glad you
Speaker 1: brought up like an example of like your travels to
Speaker 1: like black cities and other places like that. Do you
Speaker 1: have like you? I mentioned I was from Detroit, you
Speaker 1: live I have. What is your relationship to my hometown?
Speaker 5: Have you been? I've been Louise Franklin's funeral, okay, And
Speaker 5: it was eight hours long. And while I was there,
Speaker 5: a gentleman hit on me and gave me lunch of money.
Speaker 5: He gave me two hundred dollars.
Speaker 4: Yes, he said, And I said, well, do you don't
Speaker 4: want to take me outter?
Speaker 5: He said, Baby, I got meetings to go to, but here,
Speaker 5: just go and get yourself some more.
Speaker 1: He said, you corporate. I'm corporate to that's whole.
Speaker 3: I like that. I love that. I'm gonna do that
Speaker 3: for my girl.
Speaker 1: I've told famnists also stylistically, esthetically, both of you and
Speaker 1: specifically us, just your I guest today you could walk
Speaker 1: through Detroit and blend in effortlessly easy.
Speaker 5: Yes, they do the most. Sometimes it's too much.
Speaker 4: It's the most.
Speaker 5: And so the nineties and she went in the nineties
Speaker 5: with a gentleman friend because he wanted all his gators.
Speaker 4: He wanted to now lay the gators.
Speaker 5: So we took a trip to Detroit just so he
Speaker 5: could go and get no not say yea. It was
Speaker 5: called it was something they were.
Speaker 4: The Actually.
Speaker 5: He got the rainbow and you got all the coolie's
Speaker 5: and all the things. But we went to Detroit.
Speaker 3: Maybe I am Detroit.
Speaker 1: I've been telling you this. We met today right now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Detroit detroiting you that lives and you I've been to Detroit.
Speaker 1: You've been walking around like, yeah, do you have like
Speaker 1: are there any other like major black cities that you
Speaker 1: have like fun experiences partying, like Atlanta.
Speaker 4: I went to Atlanta, you know from the era of like.
Speaker 5: The Freak great story about freakent never told this story.
Speaker 5: Great story. I don't know how much is this story.
Speaker 5: I tell you truncated version. But a dear friend of
Speaker 5: mine was dating Darren I'm the Rough Riders and Freaking
Speaker 5: Time and they were working with the DMX. We all
Speaker 5: went out to Freaknick and me and Earl because that
Speaker 5: was his name before the record came out, shared a room.
Speaker 5: Nothing happened. We got up in the morning and we
Speaker 5: would go for walks and we would talk and then
Speaker 5: when get at me dog came out. I was at
Speaker 5: the M and G Restaurant in Harlem and drunk and everything.
Speaker 5: I get up to go to the bathroom. This guy says, ya,
Speaker 5: what's up, beb.
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, how you doing?
Speaker 4: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: It's Earl.
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, how you been. I'm like good, he said.
Speaker 5: I said to him, how's the music career going? He
Speaker 5: says great. When I go back to the table, my
Speaker 5: girlfriends is like.
Speaker 1: How you know?
Speaker 4: Fucking GMx? I was like, what you so? My It's like,
Speaker 4: that's get at me dog. I was like, that's Earl.
Speaker 1: They're like, nobody, get at me dog because he wasn't
Speaker 1: barking at you. The he was just such a lovely human.
Speaker 1: Came up twice.
Speaker 5: So I just feel like the nineties were a hot
Speaker 5: bed literally and figuratively of that kind of community and camaraderie.
Speaker 4: When the first time I ever went to Atlanta was with.
Speaker 5: The Diddy and you know, but back in the days,
Speaker 5: the early days, a bad boy and all of that,
Speaker 5: you know, way before baby oil conversations and things, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we was yeah, and it was it was
Speaker 4: fun and we were.
Speaker 5: Just all it was like a crazy time where we
Speaker 5: were just like paling to cars and go play.
Speaker 3: It was freer.
Speaker 5: It was freer, was it was freer.
Speaker 3: It was a it was a great time to be black.
Speaker 5: It was a great time to be blacks. Only a
Speaker 5: few people at cell phones.
Speaker 2: I talk about like my early days in Atlanta, so
Speaker 2: that would be like late mid to late nineties when
Speaker 2: I was old enough to really start processing Atlanta, and
Speaker 2: then early two thousands, and I'm like, I've never been
Speaker 2: freer as a young black person than those years I
Speaker 2: lived in Atlanta, like just not worried about much and
Speaker 2: not saying there wasn't violence and stuff, but I don't
Speaker 2: know how to explain it. It was like it was
Speaker 2: just like we were just having a blast. And like
Speaker 2: the police, Atlanta police kind of knew who the college
Speaker 2: kids were, knew who the gangsters were, and it's just
Speaker 2: if you were a college kid, they weren't. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: were really Like I probably had a cop car drunk
Speaker 2: in a McDonald's drive. I just like rolled right into
Speaker 2: him and I'm like, oh my god, like I'm done,
Speaker 2: I'm drunk. And he got out and I was like,
Speaker 2: please just let me go home, Like I'm so close.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go home. He's like, I was right
Speaker 2: around this corner. He was like, go home. If I
Speaker 2: see you go in the other direction, I'm pulling you up.
Speaker 2: And I was like, thank you, sir. I like, it's
Speaker 2: like you got to be white. It was like, I'm
Speaker 2: not afraid afraid.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid of like damn drunking and space strange,
Speaker 2: like dudes who pull up to us on the highway.
Speaker 2: This when I was like a girl, dudes who pull
Speaker 2: up to us on the highway, a car full of
Speaker 2: me and my homegirls, and they'd be like, yo, we
Speaker 2: having a barbecue.
Speaker 1: Follow us.
Speaker 3: We would follow these strange all the time and go
Speaker 3: to their house.
Speaker 2: And some of these fans are my friends and brothers
Speaker 2: to this day that I met like that.
Speaker 1: My mom won't love this. But I too, was in
Speaker 1: Detroit getting the drug dealers car. It was I was
Speaker 1: I'd been saying when we were having like you know
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, when we were having this discussion about police
Speaker 1: brutality and everything I would say to people, you know,
Speaker 1: the police. I knew what I saw on television, and
Speaker 1: I knew what I read about in history books about
Speaker 1: like our relationship with like authority. But when you grow
Speaker 1: up in a city, like if you go up in
Speaker 1: the city like Atlanta or a city, like people that
Speaker 1: are in authority are black. The police are black, the
Speaker 1: fire department, like, your teachers are black, your dentist is black,
Speaker 1: your doctor's black. So I never looked at white people
Speaker 1: as authority figures until I got around to like college. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: like the real world. Yeah, so it's really weird because
Speaker 1: it's like you have you do create a sense of
Speaker 1: pride in yourself where you can walk into you can
Speaker 1: come to New York and work in corporate and be like,
Speaker 1: I really don't look at y'all like y'all think like I.
Speaker 5: Tell people that all the time at the advertising agency
Speaker 5: when I was at my peak of putting on a
Speaker 5: VASACEI dress moment, Brookshills was she had a Geenis line
Speaker 5: and she was one of the clients. She was the
Speaker 5: kids me and her are the same age. Her mother
Speaker 5: would go and have the meetings in the back, and
Speaker 5: Brooke would ask if she could sit out front with
Speaker 5: me because we were girls, and we would just chat.
Speaker 5: And I remember people with all the other secretaries were asked,
Speaker 5: oh my god, how can you elact with her? She's
Speaker 5: so beautiful, And I'd be like, because in where I'm from,
Speaker 5: no one will look twice at bookshelves like she's pretty
Speaker 5: or whatever.
Speaker 4: But she ain't got no way or nothing. She ain't
Speaker 4: got you know.
Speaker 5: Because then black men really were not from Harlem, were
Speaker 5: not checking white girl. No, No, that wasn't even a thing.
Speaker 4: So I had that they were doing this.
Speaker 1: They were doing it.
Speaker 5: No, they weren't.
Speaker 3: They were doing it. They were, they were doing it.
Speaker 3: You didn't know about take a white girl.
Speaker 4: Never white girl ship.
Speaker 5: I don't even doing that now they.
Speaker 1: No, it's not white girls Brazil. Is Brazil going to Brazil.
Speaker 5: On the.
Speaker 1: Black woman on his boat?
Speaker 5: Never never happened, No, because what they would do if
Speaker 5: they wanted that, they would go and get a Puerto
Speaker 5: Rican girl or Dominican girl.
Speaker 4: That was exotic. And also, i'm gonna tell you something
Speaker 4: else that was exotic in my era filatio.
Speaker 1: Y' all right, we're gonna so well.
Speaker 3: Yes, let's go here. The nineties filatio not and.
Speaker 1: Not on either side, because if you look back, you
Speaker 1: look back at them old, the black men were definitely
Speaker 1: I'm not going down woman for nothing.
Speaker 3: Gay crackhead women a whole economy.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about this.
Speaker 3: Because they would have one second.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, So if a girl, if a girl was
Speaker 5: performing the filatio, she was ere she questionable, and she
Speaker 5: was very popular popular and she was and she was
Speaker 5: talked about. And perhaps Alpo rest in Peace may have
Speaker 5: shown the video on the street.
Speaker 1: What do you think changed? What do you think was
Speaker 1: the car of that change?
Speaker 5: I think it was just a natural evolution, like it's
Speaker 5: just like the thing. But so because of that, they
Speaker 5: were going to white Okay, they were not. Because them
Speaker 5: this was getting set went from the nineties phone in
Speaker 5: and let us white girl trip here from they were not.
Speaker 5: They were not, but they were not because now the
Speaker 5: things that you guys do is so very foreign to me,
Speaker 5: Like when you guys started really talking about eating the
Speaker 5: groceries and everything, that was so insane to me because
Speaker 5: that just and and I'm glad that I'm out of
Speaker 5: that conversation.
Speaker 3: I can I can say there was not no booty
Speaker 3: eating in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Nobody was going back there.
Speaker 2: No one was going back there for there was not
Speaker 2: a lot back there for going back back.
Speaker 1: Unless you're gay.
Speaker 3: They get to go.
Speaker 1: In and then that's how we get out of here back.
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