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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, September second. This is our second take

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Speaker 3: Two things including the thing.

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Speaker 2: That everyone on Twitter tweeted us to talk about, which

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Speaker 2: And we're also talking about the second half of They

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Speaker 3: First book pick for book Club two point zero.

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Speaker 2: As all Ways, Jenkins and Jones is hosted by my

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Speaker 2: good friends the beheadphoned le Jethro Jenkins aka John.

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Speaker 4: What was that?

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Speaker 3: Bubbas?

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Speaker 5: I do have my headphones on? We are ready to record.

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Speaker 5: We do not have to start.

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Speaker 2: Over, Dad, my Bad and Tyler aka Dragonfly Jones.

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Speaker 3: We've all got you. See, if you give it, you

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Speaker 3: give him.

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Speaker 2: Multiple takes at the at the white guy Introvois.

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Speaker 3: Got a jazz it up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: He's moving progressively furthest South. If we do a third

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Speaker 3: First.

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Speaker 2: I'm Mike aka GUARDI B and I'm very proud to announce.

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Speaker 2: but we have a new sponsorship I'm so excited about.

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Speaker 3: We have to mention it up top.

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Speaker 2: We are the official podcasts of Bishop Sycamore High School.

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Speaker 4: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: We did it, we did we made it, guys.

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Speaker 2: I want to take the whole team. A lot of

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Speaker 3: Thinking of Jenkins and Jones.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, this is I think, really the only thing I'm

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Speaker 2: in time. But it was funny. I feel like I

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Speaker 2: had fifty people. This is what it's like to be

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Speaker 2: Tyler all the time. I feel like I had fifty

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Speaker 2: people tweeted me like, you guys have to talk about

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Speaker 2: this on the podcast. It's like, no fucking shit, We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about on the podcast Gentlemen, to lay

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Speaker 2: the scene, ESPN televised a high school football game between

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Speaker 2: I amg Academy, which is also a fake high school

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Speaker 2: and by the way, and we're keeping it Astad and Bishops.

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Speaker 2: I have a guy who teaches there, who te who

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Speaker 2: emails me every time I call them a fake high

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Speaker 2: school on our shit at the five six two.

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Speaker 3: And I tell them every time it's a fake high school.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to tell you.

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Speaker 2: They played Bishop Sycamore High School in a game that

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Speaker 2: was televised on ESPN, and Bishop Sycamore High School mascot.

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Speaker 2: The scammers are like Icarus. They flew a little too

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Speaker 2: close to the sun. The number one rule of any

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Speaker 2: scam is you don't fucking take it on national.

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Speaker 3: Television, right. What the fuck? Fake school?

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Speaker 2: Like? A lot of these prep schools set up just

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Speaker 2: to be sort of a football team. It turns out

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Speaker 2: I have not read a lot of journalistic articles about this.

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Speaker 2: The jokes are much funnier than the facts. But gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: what did you think? What is your feeling about possibly

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Speaker 2: the greatest scam I can remember?

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Speaker 3: So many people were scammed in the scamming of this scam.

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Speaker 5: I just I want to know.

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Speaker 1: There's there's a whole lot of wild boys in this scenario,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like the coaches of Bishop Sycamore are

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Speaker 1: the wildness of the wild boys if we're doing some

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Speaker 1: wild boy power rankings here, Because how are you so

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Speaker 1: bold to take this scam to fucking nationally televise sports leader,

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Speaker 1: the mothership ESPN? Like that's what tripped me out, Like, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we we know about fucking, you know, fake

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Speaker 1: high schools running these scams with you know, fake juco

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Speaker 4: We hear about that shit all the time.

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Speaker 1: But to take that shit to ESPN is when I

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Speaker 4: That's what got me.

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Speaker 2: The head coach has a felony arrest warrant out for

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Speaker 3: And he went on ESPN committing fraud.

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Speaker 6: Do we see this all the time though, there's a

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Speaker 5: Playing for Yeah, absolutely, that's interested in me.

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Speaker 6: But like, isn't it more than the coaches that get

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Speaker 6: can call up ESPN like Yo, we're playing. I m G,

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Speaker 6: you should show this fucking game like this that has

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Speaker 6: to that's in on this scam that are like you know,

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Speaker 6: had a debate dressed up in suits and ship pretending

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Speaker 6: to be other motherfuckers like this is wild.

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Speaker 2: I had a debate with friends of mine about what

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Speaker 2: scam instead of catfish because I enjoy scam.

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Speaker 3: I enjoy the concept of scamming.

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Speaker 2: I've been a fan of that for a lot, just

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Speaker 2: like heisting is funnier to say than stealing, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean?

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Speaker 3: So is this a wilder scam than the Manti Teo shit?

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Speaker 2: And I said yes, just because of how many more

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Speaker 2: people were scammed in they I mean, all.

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Speaker 1: Of us know someone who's lied about having a girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: That man, that was standard fair. It justn't happened. He

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Speaker 1: that's why that shit took off, went into having a

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Speaker 1: whole school on escam bro.

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Speaker 6: He faked her fucking death nigga, Like, there's nothing standard

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Speaker 5: That is some psychopathic shit.

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Speaker 2: No one shed any tears over Bishop Sycamore High School.

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Speaker 2: People were like, you know what I mean, Like that

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Speaker 5: This he was a world builder.

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Speaker 3: He built a.

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Speaker 6: World around a fake fucking human and sold.

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Speaker 3: That ship to us.

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Speaker 6: Nigga. That is wild, nigga. That nigga need to be

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Speaker 6: on a Marvel team. Okay, that's shits not standard? Fair

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Speaker 6: you feel me?

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Speaker 3: He's a creator.

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Speaker 2: Let many re envision the final scene of Game of Thrones.

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Speaker 3: He's a console fucking scammers, nigga. You feel what I'm

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Speaker 3: saying Like this right.

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Speaker 6: Here was I think ESPN fucked up more than they

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Speaker 6: were scammed. You feel what I'm saying, Like, nigga, Yet

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, ESPN's on the ESPN is passing that buck

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Speaker 1: like a motherfucker. Like there is supposed to be an

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Speaker 1: agency that it was supposed to have vetted these high

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Speaker 1: schools and they're like, hey them, these motherfuckers like Paragon

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Speaker 1: like a motherfucker right now.

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 5: Fucking snitches, nigga.

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Speaker 3: Nothing with people.

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Speaker 2: Nothing turns people to snitches faster, like getting scammed in public.

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Speaker 3: You know, No, that wasn't me.

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Speaker 2: That was my mom, you know what I mean, just

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Speaker 2: like immediately I didn't get scammed.

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Speaker 3: That was sit on me. That was them niggas. No,

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Speaker 3: they was on yours network by nigga, I dude.

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Speaker 6: It was like, wasn't it like like the was it

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Speaker 6: Like I remember watching it to people were talking about

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Speaker 6: how like prior to the game, even ending motherfuckers was

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Speaker 6: saying like like people from that area were saying, how

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Speaker 6: this is like a nobody understands how this team, how

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Speaker 6: I'm saying, but like to check it out, like dude,

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Speaker 6: wild as fuck. That's that's only that to me, that's

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's really on the scammers to me, nigga,

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Speaker 6: like like they probably were shocked, like oh for real,

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Speaker 6: This ain't even the best the best gam we pulled off,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's like the cracks and this shit started

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Speaker 1: happening with the announcing team, who are like, bro, this

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Speaker 1: roster list they gave us as trash, we're We looked

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Speaker 1: up famous alumni. We found nothing. We went into the

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Speaker 1: who they said they have on this team.

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Speaker 4: We found nothing.

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Speaker 1: Like it's basically the commenting team who was trying to

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Speaker 1: ones who kind of you know, cracked the arm here,

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Speaker 1: Like hold up, what the fuck is going on here?

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Speaker 5: They were apologizing on television.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was like sixty to zero, like fifteen

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Speaker 2: minutes into the game, wasn't it. I mean, like the

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Speaker 2: other thing that's funny, like this was a fake prep

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Speaker 5: That's wild.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, y'all be brought Juco niggas in here and

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Speaker 6: got your ass wholl you bought grown meaning this motherfucker

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Speaker 6: legal ass motherfuckers they could go go buy a beard full.

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Speaker 5: Bearded motherfucker's coming in here and getting.

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Speaker 3: Bought some high schoolers. That's wild. That's how you know

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Speaker 3: why I'm Jesus fake high school too.

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Speaker 6: Because no regular high school ain't gonna beat them, you

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Speaker 6: know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: By sixty four.

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Speaker 1: That's the funniest, most humbling part of this is you

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Speaker 1: got grown ass men, grown ass twenty one year olds

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Speaker 1: on the on that fucking roster. Who are you know,

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Speaker 1: probably stuff these pipe dreams of making the NFL? Probably

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Speaker 1: thinking man coaching politics was was was fucking me up.

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Speaker 1: You know, coach, ain't everyone to give me no plaint time.

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Speaker 1: He's my time to Sean and these motherfuckers out here

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Speaker 1: getting bodied by some tenth graders. I think that is

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Speaker 1: like the biggest those reality that those motherfuckers had. Like, Bro,

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Speaker 1: this ship just ain't for us, man, it might be

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Speaker 1: timing the goddamn go be a family man to get

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Speaker 1: that CDL or something.

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Speaker 3: Bro ther cl.

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Speaker 4: The HVAC certification.

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Speaker 1: Don't, man, my nigga, go go store them direct TV satellites,

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Speaker 1: brocauseh a't ain't paying out for you.

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Speaker 2: I mean the announcer is probably they'd already done their

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: They just have to they.

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Speaker 2: To schedule games against other schools that are kind of

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Speaker 2: But but they're still not in an organizing body. They

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Speaker 3: But like, that's your.

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Speaker 6: You know what's wild to like that year in difference

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Speaker 6: Know a dude who I played on when we played

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Speaker 5: You feel what I'm saying. He was killing them niggas, dog,

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Speaker 2: Man, Honestly, a lot of a lot of sports writers

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Speaker 3: I honestly don't.

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Speaker 2: Like if my grandpa didn't get a degree from Rutgers

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Speaker 3: Still probably you know what.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Like, I get what a college scholarship means

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Speaker 3: The same way. But someone tried to do this in

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Speaker 2: Someone tried to do this in Southern California during the

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Speaker 2: you can hold back as often as you want, and

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Speaker 3: You know, we're gonna take over like high school football.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, it was It's not I believe Brian Gumble is

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Speaker 2: I was interviewed for a documentary about it. We went

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Speaker 3: Like this stuff is everywhere. It's just it does not

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Speaker 6: Isn't it required to have a certain amount of like

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Speaker 5: So like with IMG, where like you're really going.

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Speaker 6: To school to be a fucking athlete, you know what

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Speaker 6: I'm saying, And like you're taking these like are you

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Speaker 2: LI shit on everything, bro, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's always been loopholes. It was a kid

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Speaker 2: the SAT. There's yeah, there's loopholes around everything in education.

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Speaker 3: As there kind of should be.

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Speaker 2: The loopholes are set up, you know, these different things

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Speaker 3: They don't, you know, like the right.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, but anyway, Yes, there are requirements and stuff,

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Speaker 3: And a good scam scam, those are the little scams.

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Speaker 6: They pulled the scam of all scams. When it comes

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Speaker 6: to you know, we haven't seen anything like that. I'll

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Speaker 6: I don't feel bad for anybody. It's just funny, you

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Speaker 6: got they asked with by kids? That's really embarrassing. They

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Speaker 6: I love it. It was the second game in three days.

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Speaker 3: I'll actually watch if this happened, like you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know what I mean? I want more

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Speaker 5: So I can actually have regions to turn on fucking ESPN.

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Speaker 4: Dog bro.

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Speaker 1: If we had somehow knew about this scam before the

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Speaker 4: Bro. If we'd have known beforehand about this shit, Man, can.

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Speaker 6: You imagine a live tweety you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Too fun?

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Speaker 2: God bless, thank you to the good folks of Bishop Sycamore.

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Speaker 5: Anybody is anybody getting locked over with this?

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Speaker 3: I hope not right, No, none of that's happening.

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Speaker 6: It's just you just got you just got got played

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Speaker 6: on that. No, there's no real it's not like fraud

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Speaker 6: in the sense that you broke a law, right the coaches.

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Speaker 4: The coach right now who haven't arrest.

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Speaker 2: Charge out the coach that went on national television with

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Speaker 2: I feel like this is the same answer to any question,

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like if it's a if it's some white people who

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Speaker 2: to prison over that. Like it was the same thing

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Speaker 3: Had no idea what was going on in his programs.

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Speaker 2: Do we talk about who just doesn't pay attention to

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Speaker 3: You know, that's a great segue into our book.

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Speaker 6: We do have another subject though, right, but.

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Speaker 2: That's I just wanted to We obviously had to talk

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Speaker 2: us under that that like thank you, you know, make

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Speaker 2: sure we see stuff. But Bishop Sycamore, Come on, bro,

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Speaker 2: we are going to talk about Bishop Sycamore.

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Speaker 5: Do we do we have to talk about Ben Simmons?

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Speaker 3: We yeah, okay, yes, do we care?

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Speaker 2: If we don't care, we don't care some basketing hoop

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Speaker 3: How do you how do you do who's leading? Who's hot? Leading?

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Speaker 2: This? To me? Like I've been uh spending time with

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Speaker 3: I don't really know what's happening.

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Speaker 6: Honestly, I think basically what happened is like Sixer said,

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Speaker 3: It fucking matters, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: And now he's saying that he's not showing up for

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Speaker 6: That's what I'm That's what I'm really wondering. I just

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Speaker 1: I think in the bigger scope of things, it's another

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Speaker 1: they're really gonna have for fucking you know, six seven

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: That's a not to downplay him, but it's just they

442
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Speaker 1: didn't handle this well. Like, like, if you are trying

443
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Speaker 1: to trade this dude after that shitty series he had,

444
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Speaker 1: you don't need your coach publicly saying bro I don't

445
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Speaker 1: know if we can win with this guy after that,

446
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, even if that is

447
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Speaker 1: the truth, you're supposed to build that much the fuck

448
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 1: up in public, you know what I mean? And whatever

449
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 1: issues you had with how you don't think he can fit,

450
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Speaker 1: you know, in your scheme or whatever. You have those

451
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Speaker 1: discussions behind closed doors with or without Ben Simmons, with

452
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Speaker 1: coaches or management or whatever. But they just they tinked

453
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Speaker 1: his value. Ben Simmons said, Yo, I want to get traded.

454
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Speaker 1: They couldn't trade him. It was like, bro, I was

455
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Speaker 1: dead that serious. I want to get traded. I'm not

456
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Speaker 1: coming to camp and now here we are, you know

457
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's just a shitty situation all around,

458
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Speaker 1: from how they handled it basically from the fucking inception

459
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Speaker 1: of the old process shit to where we are at.

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Speaker 6: Doc was trying to save himself though, right when he

461
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Speaker 6: said that can we agree upon that? Like Doc felt

462
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Speaker 6: like he was in a hot seat because it looked bad,

463
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Speaker 6: and he was like, I don't know if I could

464
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Speaker 6: win with him taking the fucking heat off himself putting

465
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Speaker 6: it on Ben, which is some whole shit in my opinion.

466
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Speaker 6: You know what, I'm saying, but like I think Doc

467
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Speaker 6: said that because he was trying to say himself.

468
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Speaker 5: He was in a desperate situation.

469
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Speaker 6: It wasn't because he felt it or didn't feel it, honestly,

470
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Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: I think he was just thinking.

472
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Speaker 6: About self and not at you know, like the team

473
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Speaker 6: as a whole, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's like, uh, it's like if you've ever been if

475
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Speaker 2: you've ever had.

476
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Speaker 3: No money, I mean, like no money and no credit.

477
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Speaker 3: There's like a specific hopelessness.

478
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Speaker 2: Of not having any leverage, right, you know what I mean,

479
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: You're like, what am I gonna do? I'm gonna take

480
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Speaker 2: out a loan and I'm gonna put my body is

481
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Speaker 2: the collateral, like you know what I.

482
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Speaker 3: Mean, hold himself out. There's nothing there and like that

483
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Speaker 3: That's what this is.

484
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Speaker 2: This is a situation where everyone's angry and there's no leverage,

485
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Speaker 2: Like we don't want this dude, we gotta trade him, well,

486
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Speaker 2: no one fucking wants him. Well I don't want to

487
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Speaker 2: be here. You gotta trade me, well, no one fucking

488
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Speaker 2: wants you. It's just like and like in like in

489
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Speaker 2: many situations when you truly have no money, everyone's just angry,

490
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Speaker 2: Like it's just like you're in a bad situation and

491
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Speaker 2: there's no way for you to get out of it.

492
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Speaker 2: You just gotta sit there and be fucking poor with

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Speaker 2: Ben Simmons, bro But.

494
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Speaker 6: You won't be poor, you'll win, just not when it

495
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Speaker 6: matters like regular season.

496
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Speaker 3: You might be good.

497
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Speaker 6: You know, the man gonna be scared when the lights

498
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Speaker 6: really turned the fuck on.

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Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: If Doc was smart, he would have said Ben is

501
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Speaker 2: suffering from an autoimmune condition that resolved itself as of

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Speaker 2: just now.

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Speaker 6: If Doc was smart, he would have been fired too,

504
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Speaker 6: probably by not taking that heat off himself, you know

505
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Speaker 6: what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So if Doc was smart, he would have lost a

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Speaker 1: fucking fucking Hawks, you.

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Speaker 5: Know what I'm saying.

509
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Speaker 6: So it's a lot of round this motherfucker, and so

510
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Speaker 6: he hurt himself and his team in order him to

511
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Speaker 6: save himself as well, which.

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Speaker 5: Is wild as fuck.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I've heard I've heard those conversations in my

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Speaker 2: read the second half of Hanif Abduah Kiebs. They can't

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Speaker 2: kill us until they kill us. This was Tyler's pick.

553
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Speaker 2: We are hoping to have him on the podcast next week,

554
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Speaker 2: and then we will be reading Clint Smith's How the

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Speaker 2: Word Has Passed the week after and we'll discussed next

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Speaker 2: week or on Sunday or something how much of it

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Speaker 2: we're going to read. But we'll start on that in

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Speaker 2: two weeks. But Tyler, why don't you jump us into

559
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Speaker 2: talking about the second half of this book.

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Speaker 1: The second half of this book we picked off after

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Speaker 1: Fallout Boy Forever, which was probably my.

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Speaker 4: Favorite passage in the whole thing.

563
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Speaker 1: So from book from part four Ford it starts off

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Speaker 1: with Ric Flair Best Rapper Alive, which was an amazing

565
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Speaker 1: fucking essay. I just want to talk about that for

566
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Speaker 1: a second. It's it's it's uh in. In that essay,

567
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Speaker 1: what Haneith did was kind of draw parallels to how

568
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Speaker 1: how how rappers kind of emerge from you know, shitty situations,

569
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Speaker 1: and then you you know, I had no idea about

570
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Speaker 1: how Rick Flair's life played out here as well. Like

571
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Speaker 1: he was, he has no idea who his birth parents were.

572
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: He was a put up for adoption. Ric Flair isn't

573
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Speaker 1: even his real name. He survived a plane crash that

574
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Speaker 1: paralyzed a dude who he switched seats with, like right

575
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Speaker 1: before it happened, because he was nervous about it.

576
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Speaker 4: And it's it was.

577
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Speaker 1: It was a really good essay into kind of how

578
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: a lot of shit is circumstantial and a lot of

579
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Speaker 1: you know, even greatness is circumstantial at times. We all

580
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Speaker 1: need breaks there and shit. So I thought that was

581
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Speaker 1: a really good good essay there.

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Speaker 3: I love the Serena Williams.

583
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Speaker 6: One like the one about Serena was really interesting because

584
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Speaker 6: like talking about her dad, it was like, you know,

585
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Speaker 6: like you know, in the end, I think they kind

586
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Speaker 6: of fell out a lot. I don't want to say

587
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Speaker 6: fell out, but she had to like part ways a

588
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Speaker 6: little bit because he was was it was a pretty

589
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Speaker 6: he was pretty controlling in am my being correct when

590
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Speaker 6: I'm saying this? Okay, So but the thing like it's wild,

591
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Speaker 6: Like it was talking about what made the dad that

592
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Speaker 6: made Serena right to an agree and part of it right,

593
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 6: so about what made Serena, what made the dad that

594
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 6: made Serena. The things that made the dad is what

595
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 6: helped made Serena also was what helped protect Serena. But

596
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 6: the things that made the dad also prevented him from

597
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Speaker 6: continuing as Serena got successful. And I think that's really

598
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 6: or you know, as she you know, gained popularity and

599
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 6: all that and grew and all that. You feel what

600
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 6: I'm saying, I think it's really wild that the things

601
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 6: that help us to survive or that help us to

602
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 6: be great are the things that also can prevent us

603
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Speaker 6: from continuing to.

604
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Speaker 3: Be great in the long run.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying I thought that was wild

606
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Speaker 6: as fuck, but also talked about how, you know, what

607
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 6: she's what does she experienced growing up in Compton, and

608
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Speaker 6: how you know, like knowing she's not gonna be there,

609
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Speaker 6: and the joy she feels when she does win, and

610
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Speaker 6: how it's connected to her upbringing and how like people

611
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 6: will say that's arrogant or her being haughty and shit,

612
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 6: and how they they can't fathom how that feeling feels

613
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 6: because they've never been what she's been through and don't understand,

614
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 6: you know, like how she shouldn't be here, you know

615
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 6: what I mean, And that's not arrogance, it's like truly

616
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 6: joy and pride and like how her you know, confidence

617
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 6: is such a big part of her success. Yes, And

618
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Speaker 6: I want to read like the last second, last paragraph

619
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Speaker 6: just so I think that was that was really dope.

620
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Speaker 6: When I talk about Serena Williams here, I need people

621
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Speaker 6: to understand her for where she came from and not

622
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Speaker 6: where she is now. Rather, I need people to understand

623
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Speaker 6: her for what she was born into. I need people

624
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Speaker 6: to understand both the whole and the sum of her parts.

625
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Speaker 6: I need people to understand the Compton, the crack car.

626
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Speaker 3: I mean people.

627
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Speaker 6: I need people to understand the Compton, the crack cocaine,

628
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Speaker 6: and the champion, the woman who buried his sister with

629
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Speaker 6: the same hands she uses to bury opponents. If you

630
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Speaker 6: not know what she knows, then you know nothing of

631
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Speaker 6: the ultimate reward of greatness. The way it feels when

632
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 6: everything clicks. It's almost unfathomable to tell someone to act

633
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 6: like they've been somewhere when they are intensely aware of

634
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Speaker 6: the fact that they were never supposed to be there

635
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Speaker 6: in the first place, isn't it. And I think that

636
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 6: that can be said about a lot of athletes, you

637
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Speaker 6: know what I mean, And a lot of things like

638
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Speaker 6: when people are judging act like you've been there, bitch,

639
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Speaker 6: I ain't supposed to fucking.

640
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Speaker 3: Be here, nikka, you know what I'm saying.

641
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Speaker 6: And maybe not just here, maybe even alive from some

642
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Speaker 6: you know, depending on where some of these people come from.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: So I love how you put it in that way,

645
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Speaker 6: because I'm usually just like, bitch, they did all.

646
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Speaker 3: This hard ass work to get here.

647
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 6: They deserve to to, you know, to celebrate and and

648
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Speaker 6: and to stand it and to take in their greatness.

649
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: But also like there's a lot of.

650
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Speaker 6: Things you know, underlying that are going that are you

651
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Speaker 6: know in play as well?

652
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

653
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Speaker 5: So I love I love that, and I loved it

654
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Speaker 5: for different reasons.

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Speaker 2: I would say the last you know, I love the

656
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Speaker 2: first half of this book when we're talking about it

657
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Speaker 2: last week, but the the last like sixty page, the

658
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Speaker 2: last like five essays in this book are so good

659
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Speaker 2: starting from the like last seven or eight. I think,

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Speaker 2: starting from my first police stop to the end of

661
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: the book, it was like Haymakers, like, you know what

662
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: I mean, Like it was I asked you guys before

663
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: we hopped on, like why don't we as adult men,

664
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: there's like no culture around reading books with your you.

665
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: Know what I mean?

666
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: Women to some extent, I think, at least like in

667
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: the suburbs, it's much more common for women to be

668
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: part of book.

669
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: Clubs or whatever else.

670
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know the last time, I mean,

671
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: I'll send you guys books or something. When was the

672
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: last time you were like let's all read a book

673
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: and talk about it. But this is so much better

674
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: than fucking Netflix or most music or like the things

675
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: that it's just like it's accepted culturally that we all

676
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: sort of like do together and talk about or whatever.

677
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know. It was just like every

678
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: single thing.

679
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna have Shar read this so

680
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: we can talk about it after. I'm gonna have Shar

681
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: read this one so we can talk about it after.

682
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 6: Bro, I's al, Rob, you gotta read this book, man,

683
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 6: like I told you, Like that was like with the

684
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 6: Third Prince was like the third fucking essay or some shit.

685
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 6: I'm like, you have to read this after it's done,

686
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 6: you know what I mean? But I don't know, Bro,

687
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 6: Like I feel like, yeah, we and we we read,

688
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 6: we'll read, but we don't ever talk about the books

689
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 6: that we read.

690
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: It too, like we read outside of this. But I

691
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: love the fact that we are.

692
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 6: You know, like this right here is like I told you,

693
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 6: I haven't turned on TV for real because I'm like this,

694
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 6: this shit is so captivating and you know what I

695
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 6: mean Like that, you know, like books are so much

696
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 6: better to gets to the point where he this guy

697
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 6: is so descriptive, you know what I'm saying. Like that,

698
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't feel like i'm reading anymore. I'm

699
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 6: I'm I'm reading, but I'm really watching it. I see

700
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 6: everything he's talking about, you know, like, are you're talking

701
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 6: about when he got I.

702
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: Feel like, you know what I mean, Like, I really

703
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: feel like I could I could think about an album

704
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: that just came out or a life experience and imagine

705
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 2: how he would describe it just after reading a two

706
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: hundred eighty page book, you know what I mean?

707
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: He go ahead.

708
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: I was going to say, you know, I told y'all

709
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: in the group text how me and Hnneth got acquainted

710
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: on Twitter years back Wipe Me Down by Boosey Fox

711
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: and Webby Trot two thousand and seven, and I tweeted

712
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: out like twenty seventeen. I was like, bro, we need

713
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: like a ten year appreciation post on that song. And

714
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: Hanif hit me up and was like, I kind of

715
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 1: did something like that, right, And he linked me to

716
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: this essay that he wrote.

717
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 4: Let me read the official title.

718
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: Called Burning That Which Will Not Save You Wipe Me

719
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: Down in the Ballad of Baton Rouge. And basically in

720
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: that essay, what he did was he kind of explored

721
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: the plight of New Orleans Katrina. You know people from

722
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: New Orleans who affected by Katrina, who mass migrated to

723
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Baton Rouge and how Baton Rouge was was, you know,

724
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: trying to get their name known in the rap game

725
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: at the time after seeing you know, how New Orleans

726
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: blew up with cash money and no limit and it

727
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: was just a brilliant breakdown. And the piece, the piece

728
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: that really stuck with me the most here, I'm a

729
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: reader for y'all. The first line and wipe me Down

730
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest lines in all of rap music.

731
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: Fox says, I pull up at the club vip gas

732
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 1: tank on e but all drinks on meat, and he

733
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: says it with his chest. It is the entire thesis

734
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: of the song distilled to a fine point.

735
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 4: I don't have much, but what I have is yours.

736
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: For this, I think of what it is to grow

737
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: up poor in one of your city's worst neighborhoods and

738
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: dream of money, to grow up with an eye towards gold,

739
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: while young black men who look like you and come

740
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: from a neighborhood like the one you come from in

741
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: a city just a high way away, are covered.

742
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 4: In gold from rapping. That was him referencing how New

743
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 4: Orleans blew.

744
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: Up before Van Rouge did to get close enough to

745
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: afford some things, but still sacrifice others. The thing I

746
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: think that people get wrong about the act of the

747
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: stunt is that it isn't entirely narcissistic, or at least

748
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: it isn't always an act of self worship. There's generosity

749
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: in one who goes out of their way to look

750
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: fly and raise the bar of the room they're in.

751
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: There's generosity and having some cash in your pocket and

752
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: an empty gas tank and a room full of friends

753
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: who are harboring at thirst, maybe with maybe less cash

754
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: in their pockets than you have in yours. To grow

755
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: up poor, especially with any proximity to wealth, real or imagine,

756
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: is to think sometimes that money can save you, To

757
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: think that money can pull you and the people you

758
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: love out of the feeling of any grief for sadness,

759
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: to then get money, especially rap a lae, to find

760
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: out that isn't true. It's all a myth, especially if

761
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,479
Speaker 1: you are of any marginalized group to America, the only

762
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: answer is to is to dispose of that which will

763
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: not save you. What Fox was really saying, I think

764
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: is that it doesn't matter how one gets home in

765
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: a room full of people they love. You make your

766
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: home wherever you and your people stop and that was

767
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: the ship that that that was Heney's introduction to me bro,

768
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: And I was like.

769
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 4: This motherfucker is brilliant.

770
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 3: You know, you felt like you felt like you found it.

771
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 3: You felt like you were.

772
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: Walking down the street and looked down and saw five

773
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars diamond like sitting.

774
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 4: On the side.

775
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: Like this dude linked me his ship on Twitter like

776
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: you had a fucking mite space or a blog or

777
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: some shit like.

778
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, man, and he's been one of my

779
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: favorite rappers since man, I mean rap rappers writers since Yeah.

780
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 6: He talks about how like us like the like in

781
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 6: that in that article, he talks about like how we

782
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 6: all dress, and I just made me think about like

783
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 6: how like he talked about how I think Webby had

784
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 6: a fucking four Excel shirt on and you can still

785
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 6: see like the buckle of his jeans because he was

786
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 6: sagging so much, right, And it's like the audacity we

787
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 6: had to think that was flat.

788
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 5: He talks about this.

789
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 6: I'm like, Nigga, re I remember wearing I mean going

790
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 6: to foot locker buying, like was it three for twenty

791
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 6: or four for twenty fucking tall tease Nigga I'm five eleven,

792
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 6: ain't shit about me tall, you know what I mean,

793
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 6: I'll get the tall version of the four excel shirt,

794
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying?

795
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 5: Like that was that was that was wild to me.

796
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 6: The Fleetwood Mac fucking article was great too, talking about.

797
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 2: Like love and like and I don't give a fuck

798
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: about fleet Like I literally never listened to that album

799
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: because of that essay. But yeah, like even when he's

800
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: writing about stuff where I'm like, if my best friend

801
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: has sent me something like read this essay about Fleetwood Mac,

802
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: I would have been like, oh yeah, I'll.

803
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: Get to it when I can get to it.

804
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: But his book, at that point, You're like, I'll literally

805
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: read this, dude write about anything.

806
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, what was the name of that? What was the

807
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 5: name of that?

808
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: Rumors?

809
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: Rumors is an all time No, no, no, no, what

810
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: was it?

811
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: What was the name of the essay?

812
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 6: I'm trying to because there was a fire ass paragraph

813
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 6: on that ship.

814
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: What page is that?

815
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 6: It's the last in book before page what what's sixty five?

816
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: Okay?

817
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: The last you know in that issue. I mean in

818
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: that essay, what he did was he he likened the

819
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: the composition of Rumors, which the background storing in that. Okay,

820
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac has five members. There were two couples, right,

821
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buchanan and which is crazy was yeah, yeah,

822
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: and you know Stevie Nicks was was was a vocalist.

823
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: Lindsay Buchannan was a keyboardist I think or guitar player,

824
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: I don't know which one.

825
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 4: And then there was another.

826
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: Couple Levi's I think Caroline Levee or some ship. But anyway,

827
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: she was a vocalist and he was a bass player.

828
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: So these two were breaking up. And then there was

829
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, Mick Fleetwood, who was you know, also a

830
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: vocalist in that, and his wife was cheating on his

831
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: best friend at that time during the time they were

832
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: recording this. So basically you had two couples, you know,

833
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: fucking crumbling that were in the group at the same time.

834
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: And then you know, you had the male vocalist whose

835
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: marriage was also crumbling due to outside forces, and they

836
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: were all kind of holding together working on this. And

837
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: he likened it to how he had a friend who

838
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: moved in with his girlfriend three months into their year

839
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: lease they broke up and it was just hell for them.

840
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: For those last nine months right, and he likened it

841
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: to how how sometimes the hardest thing about a breakup

842
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: is how you can't get away from that person, you know,

843
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: whether where they're physically, mentally, emotionally or whatever.

844
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: It was.

845
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 4: It was a brilliant piece and.

846
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 6: He talked about He said to him, it would have

847
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 6: been hell those last nine months of the lease. But

848
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 6: he was distinctly remembers them being really sad. Why when

849
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 6: they broke When when after the lease was up, when

850
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 6: they both moved and it was like there's a things

851
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 6: and then there is the end of things. But this

852
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 6: is the last pack. I want to read this because

853
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 6: I just thought it was really interesting. I thought the

854
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 6: way he summed it up was fire. My favorite photo

855
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 6: of the band from the Rumors era was taken by

856
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 6: any Lebelwitz for the March nineteen seventy seven Rolling Stone cover, the.

857
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 3: Same month the album was released.

858
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 6: The band is sprawt on a queen mattress that is

859
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 6: resting on the floor. Mick Fleetwood the glue in the middle,

860
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 6: his long limbs stretching from the top of the mattress

861
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 6: to the bottom. A single sheet covering everyone. Buckingham has

862
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 6: Christine McVie and it means it mcveeh and mcvia what's

863
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 6: that you spelling? McVeigh in his arms, a hand in

864
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 6: her hair. Christine's hand is outstretched, reaching out, reaching over

865
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 6: to touch Fleetwood's foot. Nixon is resting on Fleetwood's bear chest,

866
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 6: her legs draped over John mcvie's to stomach. John McVie

867
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 6: is unbothered, reading a magazine. The joke is that they

868
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 6: were always too connected to let each other go so easily.

869
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 6: I like to think of this as a great lesson

870
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 6: hiding in rumors. There are people we need so much

871
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 6: that we can't imagine turning away from them. People we've

872
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 6: build entire homes inside of ourselves for that cannot stand empty.

873
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 6: People will still find a way to make a people

874
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 6: we still find a way to make magic with even

875
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 6: when the lights flicker and the love runs entirely out.

876
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: Bro that those last four sentences, I mean and and

877
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: But that is real, bro.

878
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 6: Like, there's people in my life, you know what I'm saying,

879
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 6: who I don't love in the same way. But I've

880
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 6: built places in in in myself for them that will

881
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 6: that will just be empty, that won't be filled by

882
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 6: someone else. You know what I mean, and you know,

883
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 6: like it's it's it's really wild to see somebody put that.

884
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 3: In words so eloquently explaining me and how I feel.

885
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: To me, nigga, you know what I'm saying.

886
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 6: And he did the same thing when you, Mike, you

887
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 6: were talking about this with the the uh you know,

888
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 6: white liberals versus white you know, conservatives, and and the

889
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 6: similarities in their racism, how they how they act. But

890
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 6: you know, like he was talking about like there was

891
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 6: one lady in Baltimore talking about she's.

892
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 3: On the phone talking about talking about I forget about

893
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: what was it great? Yeah, I think she but she

894
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 3: was talking about a police shooting and about how horrible

895
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: it was. And as she was talking to.

896
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: Her friend about this, she put her bags now on

897
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: aniph like sitting on a bench, literally didn't see that

898
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: he was there.

899
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that essay for me was like.

900
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: I said to you guys, those are conversations I've had

901
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: with friends of mine, but that I've never seen anyone.

902
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 3: Articulate, and certainly not articulate so well. But there the

903
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: three of us have talked about it.

904
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: The blackout squares on Instagram and the you know I

905
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: live in the suburbs in Long Beach, and I go

906
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: around and every house has the.

907
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 3: In this house, we believe that blah blah blah blah

908
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 3: blah blah.

909
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: And you know, it's and it's like you see all

910
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: that stuff, you go, okay, But if you really believe that,

911
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't things be different?

912
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 4: You know?

913
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 3: I mean, if you really, you know, if you really.

914
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: But the way he wrote about that, the sort of

915
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: like internalized versus externalized racism, was.

916
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: It felt like an x.

917
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: Ray on like being a white liberal dude in a

918
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: white you know, in a white liberal area, in a

919
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: not white liberal city.

920
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: It was like an x ray on everyone.

921
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 2: It was.

922
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: It was really really really moving to me, that whole essay.

923
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: I thought he captured it perfectly.

924
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 6: I think the thing that's interesting is, like, I think

925
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 6: this is what makes you different too, is like even

926
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 6: though you're a liberal white person, you grew up around

927
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 6: black people, so you have like, like you know, a

928
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 6: lot of a lot of liberals they don't there they

929
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 6: have just as little interaction with black people as conservatives,

930
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 6: you know what I mean.

931
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: An idea and it was an id different versus an

932
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: idea that.

933
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 6: They don't like, right, right, So like when when like

934
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 6: when he like so she was he he was just

935
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 6: as in this woman that didn't like the idea of

936
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 6: police brutality, but in her everyday acts like she might

937
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 6: grab her purse if she saw a black dude too,

938
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So it's like, you know,

939
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 6: and these are things we've been talking about on social

940
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 6: media and whatnot, but this dude breaks it down in

941
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 6: ways where like you know, in that white liberal you

942
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 6: know neighborhood where he was pulled over by the cops,

943
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 6: where you know, they all you know, were you know,

944
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 6: you know, were liberal leaning. You know, somebody still called

945
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 6: the cops on his ass you feel what I'm saying,

946
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 6: And they still didn't go to assists and help him,

947
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 6: you know, and they still didn't really interact with the black.

948
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 5: Neighborhoods that surrounded them. They just saw them, you know

949
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 5: what I mean.

950
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: And we're proud, and we're proud that they lived near them,

951
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: near them, but you know what I mean, but would

952
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: not want that.

953
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 6: But when those neighborhoods leaked in to their neighborhood, they

954
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 6: were just as uncomfortable as a conservative white you know

955
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. So like it it's really interesting to

956
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 6: see it put in these in this way, we're like,

957
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 6: you know, somebody, he breaks down a lot of things

958
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 6: that we're thinking that we understand and we feel, but

959
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 6: we can't explain, you know what I mean.

960
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: It was like an impassion, like one am conversation you

961
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 3: have with your friend after you've had a great night together.

962
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 5: He's smoking a cigarette and someone crete.

963
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: And someone took that and turned it into an essay

964
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: that you could actually read at eleven am on a

965
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: on a we you know what I mean.

966
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: That's what was so incredible about it to me, Tyler.

967
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 3: I know we're we're wrapping up here in a couple minutes.

968
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: Do you have anything else you wanted to share?

969
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: Uh?

970
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: And then obviously we'll.

971
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 2: Put out there We're going to ask for some reader

972
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: questions from when we know we're gonna have honeth on

973
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: but we'll figure that. I don't know if we're gonna

974
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: do We'll probably do that via email, So we'll put

975
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: that out there at some point in the next day

976
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: or two.

977
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 3: But Tyler, do you want to wrap up sort of

978
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 3: talking about the book?

979
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 4: Phenomenal book.

980
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: It's I've read just about everything Hanif has done and

981
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: it's my favorite work of his.

982
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 4: You know.

983
00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: I I love the the the continual being in this

984
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: book of you know, juxtapositioning music into real life shit,

985
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like pretty much every essay,

986
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: the underlying theme is music, and you know where he

987
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: was at that point in his life when this music

988
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: came out, or how this certain you know, piece of

989
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: music hit him, and how it correlated to to a

990
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: certain life experience and such. It's just it's it's fucking brilliant, man.

991
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: You know, I don't I don't throw that word brilliant around,

992
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: but I'm in. I'm just a huge Hande fan. He's

993
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: he's one of my favorite rappers out there. Man, I'm

994
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: writers again, I keep calling.

995
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 4: Him a rapper.

996
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite writers out there, and I'm

997
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: very much looking forward to having him on here. I

998
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be a great conversation.

999
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 6: He gives me the same feeling I get when I

1000
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 6: read and I'm not comparing the two, but James Baldwin,

1001
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Where Like when I'm reading that,

1002
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 6: I'm like, how the fuck is he explaining that this?

1003
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: Well?

1004
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, Like, these are very complex things.

1005
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 6: That he's breaking down. You know what I'm saying to

1006
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 6: like it's most minute, you know what I mean, like

1007
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 6: parts and and and and and I felt I looked.

1008
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 6: I felt the same way when reading this, like damn,

1009
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 6: like how he's breaking the ship down. It's just so

1010
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 6: beautifully beautiful and eloquent, you know what I mean. So,

1011
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 6: but yeah, this is I get the same feeling. I've

1012
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 6: not got something compared to.

1013
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 3: To you know, we we you know what I'm saying, like,

1014
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 3: but I am don't. All right, that's our time for

1015
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 3: Jenkins and Jones today.

1016
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Monday with the Booker Boy of

1017
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 2: the Week and all kinds of other We'll see what happens.

1018
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: In the saga of Ben Simmons of the seventy six ers,

1019
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: we don't give a fuck. We don't give a fuck.

1020
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 3: We'll see you guys next year.