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Speaker 3: Today we welcome legendary producer, songwriter and artists. The one
Speaker 3: and only Sean Garrett is here on Big Fact. Sean Garrett,
Speaker 3: what's up? What's up? What's up?
Speaker 1: Man with you?
Speaker 3: This is way overdue, yes sir, yes, way overdue, but welcome.
Speaker 3: We appreciate your time. You know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 3: know we're gonna have a great conversation. And Geed man Ship,
Speaker 3: I've been waiting. I've been waiting a long time to
Speaker 3: do this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is the classic, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, one of the hottest shows on line, straight
Speaker 4: out Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 3: There you go, there you go, see my folks. So,
Speaker 3: you know, the first day everybody want to know is
Speaker 3: where the hell you're being? Where you're being?
Speaker 1: Man man Ship, just finishing up this album.
Speaker 4: Man finally finally finished my album and just really excited
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just been like a.
Speaker 4: You know, just a great opportunity for me to sort
Speaker 4: of like share some light and shit on like my
Speaker 4: perspective on the world and the R and B music
Speaker 4: and the culture and conversation and relationships and love and
Speaker 4: hurt and pain.
Speaker 1: You know shit.
Speaker 4: You know I've been through a lot of I've been
Speaker 4: through a lot, man, in my career, you know, a
Speaker 4: lot more good than bad. But you know, I haven't
Speaker 4: had my you know, moments of like triumph. You know,
Speaker 4: still dealing with like sometimes you know, I have you know,
Speaker 4: tough days and shit like like losing my mom and shit.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But it's been a really
Speaker 1: good things.
Speaker 4: It's been amazing year, you know what I mean To
Speaker 4: see Usher, you know what I'm saying, All the shit
Speaker 4: come full circle, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: twenty years later, man being the biggest song of the
Speaker 4: super Bowl, you know what I'm saying, So shout out
Speaker 4: to my man, usher Man. It's just, you know, the journey,
Speaker 4: it has been really amazing. And two to get the
Speaker 4: love that I get from my community and all my.
Speaker 1: People that.
Speaker 4: Love music, you know what I'm saying, whether it be
Speaker 4: you know, black people or pop people or you know,
Speaker 4: urban culture. But I'm I'm definitely, you know, a flower
Speaker 4: and a seed from from from urban culture.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And I enjoyed and I feel like, you know, I
Speaker 4: feel appreciated more so from the community than you know
Speaker 4: some of the people. I've given a lot of hits too,
Speaker 4: and hard work and blood, sweat and tears and shit.
Speaker 1: For so you know, sometimes you got to pop out
Speaker 1: and show me.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I just want to I just want to
Speaker 5: hold on, let me pull this up.
Speaker 6: I want to speak to that for a minute, to
Speaker 6: some of the blood, sweat and tears that you've given.
Speaker 6: I want to run some of this ship down for
Speaker 6: those that might not be familiar. Okay, So you've written
Speaker 6: for the likes of Usher, Sierra, Tierra, Marie Mario, Ludacris, Nicki, Minaj, Brandy,
Speaker 6: Enrique Iglesias, Calise Trey Songs, Nellie the Pussycat Dolls, three
Speaker 6: l W who I'm Gonna need another Lung, Ritney Spears,
Speaker 6: Lil Wayne Miley, Cyrus, Jesse McCartney, Destiny Child, Beyonce, Kelly Rowland,
Speaker 6: Ricky Martin One twelve, Nicole Schersinger, Gwynn Stefani, Santana.
Speaker 5: And Jack Queish, just to name a few. Yeah, a few.
Speaker 6: So my question is, with all of that under your belt,
Speaker 6: how do you remain humble in the midst of such
Speaker 6: gigantic accomplishments.
Speaker 1: You know, my mom from Perry Holmes, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, fish out west Side. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I'm from the Swatch, you know, I'm from Kelln's world.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's hard to it's hard to not be
Speaker 4: humble right from where we came from.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's just I don't never forget that shit. You know,
Speaker 4: you don't forget the fucking catch up sandwiches and yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, water with cereal and yeah.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 4: Just you know, I was talking about mom a lot,
Speaker 4: but you know, my mom was raped and left for
Speaker 4: dead when I was five. You know, just the journey
Speaker 4: of like growing and learning, all this learning, all the
Speaker 4: shit that you learned to survive, you know, at a
Speaker 4: young age, you know, teaches you so much about appreciating.
Speaker 1: Life, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like, so not only do I appreciate, you know, it's
Speaker 4: hard for me to get off my pivot of like
Speaker 4: realizing what life is about. You know, what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: and a lot of those a lot of those songs
Speaker 4: were my contribution to to the world from a talent perspective,
Speaker 4: and like you know, wanting to succeed, like wanting to
Speaker 4: be successful one day, wanting to be able to provide
Speaker 4: for my kids and put myself in a position where
Speaker 4: I never had to work if I didn't want to work.
Speaker 1: No more so, I feel like I've accomplished that goal.
Speaker 4: Now my goal is more so focused on showing the
Speaker 4: world how much of a great artist I can be,
Speaker 4: and you know, showing the young kids that you know,
Speaker 4: had a different talent than what's the obvious, you know,
Speaker 4: being a you know, and I got a lot of
Speaker 4: love and respect for rappers and.
Speaker 1: You know, people that's in front of the camera.
Speaker 4: But also you know, just showing people that you can
Speaker 4: use your mind, you can use your abilities, you can
Speaker 4: use other you know, you don't always have to look
Speaker 4: like what another person looks like to be amazing.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You can you can be yourself like I was as
Speaker 4: a young person. You know, I was always sold. You know,
Speaker 4: my voice didn't.
Speaker 1: Sound like how I look, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Or you know, it's it's always those or I you know,
Speaker 4: I wasn't greeted that well, you know as a songwriter,
Speaker 4: producer at the beginning, you know, I was, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: was hating on and you know a lot of people
Speaker 4: thought that my style was wow, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But but my my confidence in myself, yeah, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. You know, my confidence was the one
Speaker 4: thing that that was definitely the decision. It it got
Speaker 4: motherfuckers together, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it kind of solidified your status.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean because you know, you got to show
Speaker 1: people you can't like you can.
Speaker 5: Because niggas smell fear. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: And so and it was a lot, you know, it
Speaker 4: was a lot of It was a lot of you
Speaker 4: know a lot of contradictions. But you know, my first
Speaker 4: my second record out was yeah Usher Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 4: it was a lot of pushback on that record, and
Speaker 4: it was a lot of people that didn't believe. And
Speaker 4: it's so funny, like you never forget the motherfuckers you
Speaker 4: see that hated on you or told you the way,
Speaker 4: and you.
Speaker 1: Look the motherfuckers in their eyes now that you're like, man,
Speaker 1: you know I knew it, and you shut up. Remember
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. What type of pushback you
Speaker 1: got from their record man ship? It was?
Speaker 4: It was pushed back from the perspective of like the
Speaker 4: line about who did the motherfuckers?
Speaker 1: It was really crazy who did? So?
Speaker 4: You know, to be honest, so I shout out to
Speaker 4: UH my manag Secure Steward Man, God, bless us soul. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, so I signed my I sign my first
Speaker 4: publishing deal with La Re's publishing company, Pickco Publishing, and
Speaker 4: you know, shout out to Billy Calloway too, because Billy
Speaker 4: Calloway was really the guy that signed me.
Speaker 1: And I had like four or five offers on the table.
Speaker 4: I had just lost my mom a year to the
Speaker 4: date that we leaked year and so I was really
Speaker 4: shopping the deal to UH as an artist because I
Speaker 4: came back from Europe. I didn't want to I didn't
Speaker 4: want to write songs for nobody. I really actually thought
Speaker 4: that was crazy. But I was like a lot of fun,
Speaker 4: would I want to do that?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: But people were, you know, people were like, man, like
Speaker 4: you know, can you They were just offering me money
Speaker 4: to write songs for other people. And I just really
Speaker 4: thought she was crazy. But then, you know, when I
Speaker 4: lost my mom, it was just so much that she
Speaker 4: had taught me about, you know, never putting your eggs
Speaker 4: in one basket, and you know.
Speaker 1: My whole old life change ship with my mom.
Speaker 4: God, so you know, you start thinking completely different when
Speaker 4: you would have lost your everything.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, My mom is my everything.
Speaker 1: So so I.
Speaker 4: Ended up doing my deal with a Hicco Music Publishing
Speaker 4: And so at the time, it was like it was
Speaker 4: quite a few different camps that were here, you know,
Speaker 4: shout out Noontime Man, the Critics and NOONI and uh
Speaker 4: and then there was it was also Tricky and and
Speaker 4: Yeah and the Dream and all of those guys and
Speaker 4: that that crew, and then there was like Pooh Bear,
Speaker 4: And there was a lot of guys that I really
Speaker 4: looked up to, Like I really looked up to John
Speaker 4: ta Y Austin. I thought Pool Bear was absolutely amazing, Yeah, incredible,
Speaker 4: And so I was an admirer of like this these
Speaker 4: talented guys, you know. But then at the same time,
Speaker 4: you know, there was a couple of people that had
Speaker 4: talked to and they were like, you know, you should
Speaker 4: sign a deal with us if you don't you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, I don't think you're gonna really like
Speaker 4: be that.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, what are y'all talking about?
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I'm smoking all y'all niggas over there, like
Speaker 4: your whole team. But that was just me as a
Speaker 4: young kid, like being me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You know, I played sports and ship, so you know.
Speaker 5: That competitive spirit.
Speaker 4: It was like, yeah, especially like where we came from,
Speaker 4: like you know, like Adam Parking niggas playing football and baseball,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, but I've been doing this ship since
Speaker 4: I was a bit ship before I could read niggas
Speaker 4: like you know what I mean. So so it was
Speaker 4: it was so at the time I was trying to
Speaker 4: get you know, once I did my deal, you know
Speaker 4: when you sign a postal deal you basically got At
Speaker 4: the time, it's like, you know, you got twelve months
Speaker 4: to motherfucking make your money back. Yeah, yeah, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, to recoup or you go into what
Speaker 4: they called suspension. And so I was determined, like, ain't
Speaker 4: no more fucking away. I'm I'm not fit to get
Speaker 4: twelve because you know, they stop your money. You know
Speaker 4: what I mean, So you you would you would take
Speaker 4: in advance, right, And so I didn't take like, you know,
Speaker 4: I had offers for like Universal was offered me like
Speaker 4: five fifty. I had to offer for like three p
Speaker 4: fifty from Sony, and so the way I looked at
Speaker 4: I was like, I ain't taking all that money upfront
Speaker 4: and shit, then I gotta pay that shit back.
Speaker 1: So I don't want that shit over my head. So
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm gonna.
Speaker 4: Try to find a company here in Atlanta that I
Speaker 4: can just go drive up and pull up and talk
Speaker 4: to them.
Speaker 1: So I took me a deal for like seventy five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: They gave me half of that upfront, and then I
Speaker 4: took you know, and the other the other part I
Speaker 4: broke down and they gave me monthly. So in my mind,
Speaker 4: I was just like, man, I ain't got a twelve
Speaker 4: month to go to fuck crazy. So the first thing
Speaker 4: I was thinking is how am I going to get
Speaker 4: in front of all these other people.
Speaker 1: So there was an album, the Confession's Album.
Speaker 4: Basically the Usher was pretty much done with, and fortunately
Speaker 4: I got an opportunity to be to work at work
Speaker 4: with you know, l a Read's publishing company, and La
Speaker 4: called me and was like, so, what you're gonna do? Kid?
Speaker 4: You know it was September. I saw my deal September
Speaker 4: uh three uh. And then he was like, you know, Ship,
Speaker 4: there was like November. He's like, care what you're gonna
Speaker 4: do because Ship the album is done.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn.
Speaker 4: So I had to figure out how could I get
Speaker 4: in front of the game and try to make an impact.
Speaker 4: So I said, man, Ship, let me I want to
Speaker 4: get some Little John beats and I'm gonna take one
Speaker 4: of my little John beats and put a fucking Michael
Speaker 4: Jackson song on original Michael Jackson song on.
Speaker 1: On a crumpy right.
Speaker 4: And so that was just kind of like the perspective
Speaker 4: of like how I looked at and I was like, damn,
Speaker 4: if I can get us, shuld have seen this song.
Speaker 4: I know I could, because I didn't think I didn't.
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, I love J D and
Speaker 4: and Jermaine. I'm excuse me, I love J j D
Speaker 4: and Brian Michael Cox, but I didn't think that they
Speaker 4: would do that, right. I knew it was certain. It
Speaker 4: was certain frequencies of songs. I know they wouldn't do,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, just naturally. So it was
Speaker 4: like I asked, I think I had asked, uh, maybe
Speaker 4: Billy Yo what records they got on on the album?
Speaker 4: And I heard do they have any up tempo records
Speaker 4: on the album? And the only up temple record they
Speaker 4: had was Caught Up? And so I heard caught Up
Speaker 4: and I was like, that's that's that's dope. Uh, that
Speaker 4: sounds like the Jackson stuff.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's like that kind of reminded me of can you feel?
Speaker 4: So I was like, let me get this nigga thriller.
Speaker 4: If I can do Billy Jean beat it and thriller
Speaker 4: in one song, I feel like I can beat everybody
Speaker 4: on the album.
Speaker 1: And that was the That was the creative perspective of
Speaker 1: what I did.
Speaker 4: So shout out to my girl Delicia, who at the
Speaker 4: time was Delicia, I oe you Dinner, lunch, and breakfast.
Speaker 4: But at the time I had asked Abillity to reach
Speaker 4: out and shout out to l. A. Reed's son, Antonio
Speaker 4: re Jr. He was definitely a big advocate for me
Speaker 4: at the time, and he was working there and he
Speaker 4: was telling his dad like he was fighting for me.
Speaker 4: He was probably it was only a couple of people
Speaker 4: that really fought fought from me with that song. But anyway,
Speaker 4: long story short ended up doing the song.
Speaker 1: And that was an engineer.
Speaker 4: So at the time, there was this guy named j
Speaker 4: Q that was a producer, that was a songwriter, producer,
Speaker 4: and our staff engineer was k C. And shout out
Speaker 4: to my brother ksey Man, amazing producer and engineer. But
Speaker 4: he was a staff engineer at the time, and he
Speaker 4: happened to not be there that day that I needed
Speaker 4: to record this. So I asked, I asked the kid JQ,
Speaker 4: could he engineer my session? And uh so he engineered
Speaker 4: my session.
Speaker 1: I finished the record and then and.
Speaker 4: So the next day I had I told you know,
Speaker 4: I was telling billion and uh and Shaquil. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 4: we got a fucking smash record like for Usher and
Speaker 4: they liked it. But the next day Billy called me
Speaker 4: and was like, Yo, Sean, so yo, can we give
Speaker 4: can we give?
Speaker 1: Like JQ like maybe five percent of the song?
Speaker 4: And I was like for what He's like, well, you
Speaker 4: know he's a writer, and you know, at the time,
Speaker 4: I'm brand new, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 4: was fucking pissed, you know what I mean, because I
Speaker 4: was just like, you know, it's like, if you do something,
Speaker 4: you do it, you know what I mean, If I
Speaker 4: if I if he'd did something. But the crazy shit was,
Speaker 4: it was all he was signed to the same publishing company, right,
Speaker 4: So it made more sense as an executive if you
Speaker 4: got to writers on a song from the same company.
Speaker 1: That's more equity in the song. You're working both of.
Speaker 4: Your writers, right, And at the time, I just felt
Speaker 4: like that was fucking robbery.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, fucking me over, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But you know, you only got so much juice when
Speaker 4: you knew and when when you're young. So you know,
Speaker 4: I agreed to it, man, and it kind of you know,
Speaker 4: now I feel okay with it because it's just like,
Speaker 4: you know, it's okay to give somebody something, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying that that could have helped that man's life.
Speaker 4: And I'm you know, I'm grown now, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. But at the time I was straight living,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: But the.
Speaker 4: Ft up part about it is when you start saying
Speaker 4: you wrote the song, you know what I'm saying so late.
Speaker 1: It's like he started telling.
Speaker 5: Them you have a credit on it. So it's like, so.
Speaker 4: That shit pissed me off, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's like, man, how like, you know, don't fucking do that.
Speaker 4: He added nothing to the song, no zero zero. Well,
Speaker 4: I mean firstly personally engineered the sense. Yeah, okay, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And he was great, he's a
Speaker 4: great engineer, and I paid him, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But I don't go in the studiod the right song.
Speaker 5: Him, Like where the hell did the credit mark in?
Speaker 4: Well, because you know, politically, yeah, I was dealing with
Speaker 4: the label. I mean, I was dealing with the publishing company.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, And you know I don't
Speaker 4: it was It's not a salty thing. And it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, I learned later that you know, that was
Speaker 4: a blessing for me, and it was a blessing for him.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I just didn't like the fact that he was telling
Speaker 4: people he wrote the song. That ship pissed me off.
Speaker 1: But yeah, don't do that again. Yeah, don't don't do that.
Speaker 4: But uh, but the thing about it, the lesson, there
Speaker 4: was a lesson in that, you know, And what the
Speaker 4: lesson was, I had to go really prove myself again.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I had to prove myself
Speaker 4: again and again. So my next thing the next that
Speaker 4: same week, I did Goodies.
Speaker 1: Then next yeah, then that next couple of weeks there
Speaker 1: I did check up one one time to know.
Speaker 4: They changed the hook. They changed shut out my Man,
Speaker 4: big Zach. So I originally named it song cookies. The
Speaker 4: whole song is just exactly the way it is. It's
Speaker 4: just they change cookies to goodies. Yeah, yeah, shut out
Speaker 4: big Zay. You know that's my dog man let you
Speaker 4: so so yeah, you know. But I originally don't like
Speaker 4: to write songs with people. And it's not it's just
Speaker 4: because in my mind, if I have a perspective of
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to do, that's what I want to do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna live and die by that.
Speaker 6: And you want to execute your vision from top to
Speaker 6: bottom period without any distractions or.
Speaker 4: Because ultimately what they ask you to do, Like, they
Speaker 4: don't come to me to just write songs. They come
Speaker 4: to me to do hits. And if that song's not
Speaker 4: a hit, that's on my that's on my ticket. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, I'm.
Speaker 6: Starting another niggas ingredient into your recipe, can throw off
Speaker 6: the whole thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and some people try to make that, you know,
Speaker 4: some people spin you or been the ship and make
Speaker 4: it seem like you're being difficult. It's like, no, like
Speaker 4: when I go work with Beyonce, like I'm coming to
Speaker 4: that motherfucker too close. You know what I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 4: not coming there and miss, because if you miss, you
Speaker 4: never get in the room where again exact, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. If you if you don't deliver, you
Speaker 4: know you don't deliver, right. And it's just like, so
Speaker 4: the game is so funny how it plays with you
Speaker 4: and shit and try to make it seem like you know,
Speaker 4: you're cocky or you this or that, that same confidence
Speaker 4: that they come to you for, they use that shit
Speaker 4: to work against you, to make it seem as if, oh,
Speaker 4: now he's full of itself. It's like, no, nigga, I've
Speaker 4: been full of shit popping from day one.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's why the fuck you
Speaker 1: on my line? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And if you don't appreciate that, so so what happened
Speaker 4: when it came to me as an artist. When you don't,
Speaker 4: when you give these people the opportunity to control the narrative,
Speaker 4: then they can say what they want to say about you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They start paying all other
Speaker 1: kinds of shit.
Speaker 4: You're inviting JJ and Quad and Tay and all these
Speaker 4: motherfuckers on the credits, and you're just like, well, who.
Speaker 1: What is this? You know what I'm saying. So, you know,
Speaker 1: you learn.
Speaker 4: And a lot of the things that a lot of
Speaker 4: the kids that asked me, well, how did you do it?
Speaker 1: I feel I feel this.
Speaker 4: Overwhelming responsibility to help the young kids understand how to
Speaker 4: be become dominant in the art of being a hit maker, right.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's one thing to be successful and
Speaker 4: have a hit song, but it's more so about being
Speaker 4: diligent in how you do it, the whole process of it,
Speaker 4: and not allow somebody to really, like, as we say,
Speaker 4: trick you off the streets, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: you got to really get your ability up to the
Speaker 4: point where you can survive alone in the jungle, right
Speaker 4: And if you can take care of yourself in the jungle,
Speaker 4: then you will definitely be able to feed your family
Speaker 4: and feed the community.
Speaker 1: Right, And so.
Speaker 4: That was a big that was a big part of
Speaker 4: like my journey. Yeah, it was about giving to the people.
Speaker 4: You know. I never wanted people to look at me
Speaker 4: and say I never gave back to my community.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: When I gave goodies to Sierra, that was giving back
Speaker 4: to my little sisters that wanted to have a career,
Speaker 4: right because that changed her life. You know, I changed
Speaker 4: Chris Brown's life, Like, that's my little brother and I
Speaker 4: wanted to and when I met him, I wanted to
Speaker 4: give him all that I knew everything, you know. Shout
Speaker 4: out to my man, Scott Storch. You know we did
Speaker 4: run it, give me that. There ain't no way water wall.
Speaker 4: Shout out my boy, uh Greg Scott, you know that
Speaker 4: was his sound, that's his Yeah.
Speaker 5: You're just glazing over it like it's just but that's
Speaker 5: like the major ship.
Speaker 4: Like, so I had to go do that to show
Speaker 4: motherfuckers though. Now did JQ do.
Speaker 5: Did they?
Speaker 1: Did JQ do running and give me that and ain't
Speaker 1: no way in water wall?
Speaker 4: And check obarn and give me body and upgrade your
Speaker 4: ring and alarm and Diva does that sound like JQ.
Speaker 1: Wasn't sound like John Garrett. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And I I hate to have to give a nigga that,
Speaker 4: but I have to spank a nigga, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, because it's like, don't don't don't ever disrespect
Speaker 4: me like that. What I'm saying, that's not what you do, bro,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And then and then people
Speaker 4: start running with that ship, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: start sucking up your brand. So so so sometimes when
Speaker 4: you ask, like where I've been, it's like.
Speaker 1: Healing, my nigga, I've been healing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I just you know, I took, I got my I
Speaker 4: took my wounds, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, I licked my wounds, and I learned. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I've been learning and growing. They
Speaker 1: said anything else?
Speaker 3: When what you think the disconnection is though, between the
Speaker 3: writer and the artists. You think, do you think that
Speaker 3: there is a little bit of ego there because the
Speaker 3: artists obviously the performer, the superstar. They go and you know,
Speaker 3: they got certain things that they have to do to
Speaker 3: make a record successful. But of course the pend the producer,
Speaker 3: the engineer. There's a lot of other elements that make
Speaker 3: a record successful. But why do we see that so much?
Speaker 3: The class between the artists, and I think it's more
Speaker 3: of a black urban thing, to be honest, I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, you see, country artists always show a lot
Speaker 4: of love and respect to the songwriters and the people that.
Speaker 4: You know, they get up there and I like, thank
Speaker 4: Bob and Jesse, you know, bring everybody up on stage
Speaker 4: and all that type of shit. But you know, brothers, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like, you know what, And it's not just the artist,
Speaker 4: it's the managers. It's the people that's in business with
Speaker 4: those people that convince them to to for some reason,
Speaker 4: to make them think they're one man band. When it
Speaker 4: took a nation, or it took a it took a village,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And I mean it takes you gotta be special people
Speaker 4: to come up with these fucking songs like this. Ain't
Speaker 4: like like you was sleep on the couch, Like you
Speaker 4: didn't like I remember you were sleep.
Speaker 1: Okay, you were sleep.
Speaker 4: You woke up here you sang the motherfucker, but you
Speaker 4: was asleep Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: Like let's not get this shit fucked up.
Speaker 4: Now you got this convenient amnesia, and now you're on
Speaker 4: a whole nother tangent because you got the mic and
Speaker 4: you on stage and you fucking receiving the award.
Speaker 3: But now you're the fucking disrespect when you say, and
Speaker 3: I agree with you wholeheartedly. I'm just trying to perspect perspectives.
Speaker 3: So if what do we do is somebody fresh as hell, right,
Speaker 3: and they go to the awards and they fresh as hell,
Speaker 3: and they're like bros fresh as hell, right, but you
Speaker 3: know that bros fresh as hell because of the stylists.
Speaker 3: Should that person on that award stage give love and
Speaker 3: respect to the styles?
Speaker 1: I feel so too. Definitely, you should always think people.
Speaker 1: If they don't, then I don't take it.
Speaker 4: I mean, you ain't never seen it, Like I ain't crying,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I'm just being clear, right,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's just like at some
Speaker 4: points twenty years later, like you couldn't thank me in
Speaker 4: twenty years.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: If you couldn't thank me in twenty years, that means
Speaker 4: you appreciate me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You may hope and make another hope.
Speaker 7: You know, I've seen stylists push it on niggas and
Speaker 7: it still don't look right.
Speaker 1: Though. Yeah, we see put it.
Speaker 3: I'll show you written for people and it just didn't
Speaker 3: work because they just won't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's not the crazy part about the word writing.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like it's not a fear just of
Speaker 4: what we do. Like I create the song, I mean
Speaker 4: write the song, sing the song, arrange the song so
Speaker 4: it so when you present the song to them, it's
Speaker 4: already done.
Speaker 1: All they gotta do is come in there and do
Speaker 1: what they do as an artist and sing.
Speaker 5: So you don't just so basically you don't just write,
Speaker 5: you construct.
Speaker 1: I completely create the song.
Speaker 4: I go take this and take that, and at this
Speaker 4: and at this, and get in front of them and
Speaker 4: record the song this, this melody with.
Speaker 6: That tone, this this, and put it together and you
Speaker 6: basically sing it for them and do everything for them
Speaker 6: and just have them redo it in their voice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's not like they're not talented. They are talented.
Speaker 4: It's like an actor. It's like the actor don't write
Speaker 4: the script. There's a there's a writer that writes the script,
Speaker 4: and then there's a director and then there's a producer.
Speaker 1: There are different people that do different things.
Speaker 4: But unfortunately people don't understand the power in sharing.
Speaker 1: There's a power in sharing.
Speaker 4: There's a power in saying, hey man, this person right
Speaker 4: here is really really great at what they do and
Speaker 4: they help me do this and that. Right of course
Speaker 4: you're gonna get to shine you on stage. I mean,
Speaker 4: we see you. And I'm not complaining this. You know this,
Speaker 4: this interview for me is not about me complaining or
Speaker 4: making this about I really want to talk about my
Speaker 4: mother of an album. But but but in all fairness,
Speaker 4: it for the for the for the younger generation and
Speaker 4: the newer songwriter producers.
Speaker 1: You know, this is how good you have to be though.
Speaker 1: That's the point that I'm trying to make.
Speaker 4: You really gotta be good, you really really, because it's
Speaker 4: gonna be a lot people gonna shot on you.
Speaker 1: They're gonna play you.
Speaker 4: They're gonna play you out your position, they're gonna try
Speaker 4: to they're gonna they're gonna fuck with your mind, they're
Speaker 4: gonna hurt your feelings. It's a lot of ship, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And I just don't want to.
Speaker 4: I don't want to sugarcoat this ship and make it
Speaker 4: seem like it's a fucking man. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 4: is the superman like? No, nigga Like. I'm a hard
Speaker 4: working as person who takes everything serious.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I know my business, I know how the game works.
Speaker 4: I can tell you my mistakes. You know, I took
Speaker 4: those scars, you know. I remember getting hated on. I
Speaker 4: remember that motherfucker still on stage and just say shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Remember that other time that you overlooked the record, that
Speaker 7: you thought it was gonna be okay, but it like
Speaker 7: shocked you, Like damn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it happens too, you know, Yeah, for sure, bro,
Speaker 4: because you know, I mean, this.
Speaker 1: Guy's world, it's not my world, you know.
Speaker 4: But I'm just thankful that I have been able to
Speaker 4: be a part of some of the greatest artists in
Speaker 4: the world's lives. I appreciate them giving me the opportunity
Speaker 4: to work with them, you know, being able to work
Speaker 4: with especially the newer artists. You know, when it was
Speaker 4: when when it was Chris, you know, to see where
Speaker 4: Chris is now and to see how just amazing he
Speaker 4: is as far as as like his true talent as
Speaker 4: an artist, right he's surpassed. Now, this would be the
Speaker 4: conversation I have with Chris. I would say, Chris, you're
Speaker 4: so good. Now go back to Michael. What would Michael do?
Speaker 4: Michael will put together a project that is so incredible
Speaker 4: with the best of the best creatives and change the
Speaker 4: world because you're that good. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: meaning like, let's sit down and have a conversation, create
Speaker 4: a conversation about your narrative, about your life, because when
Speaker 4: we get into Chris Brown's life, that's when it gets
Speaker 4: really fascinating. You understand what I'm saying, Like, that's what
Speaker 4: Michael would do. Michael, you know, and he loves Michael,
Speaker 4: and we've had those conversations and.
Speaker 1: Is your man on the floor If you ain't, let
Speaker 1: me know, that's Michael. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: y's you guy knows Let me give me that's Michael.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And you know me, I'm.
Speaker 4: You know, So he loves Michael, and I gave him Michael,
Speaker 4: and he gave me inspiration, right, And so I feel
Speaker 4: like facilities artists, I'm the greatest to work with for them.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying other people aren't. That was all about
Speaker 1: to ask you, so, who's the greatest of your era? Song? Right,
Speaker 1: the greatest song right of your hero me?
Speaker 3: The greatest?
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, no better than that, you know.
Speaker 4: It's like comparing Michael Jordan and Kobe.
Speaker 5: So that's what I wanted to ask you too.
Speaker 6: Did y'all ever get back on the same page after
Speaker 6: that whole versus thebacle?
Speaker 1: It wasn't a debacle.
Speaker 4: It was basically, respectfully, you know what it is. It
Speaker 4: was as as Black said it was. It was pure reality, okay, right,
Speaker 4: And the reality is I'm the greatest of my generation
Speaker 4: numbers wise, the way I affect the culture, I was
Speaker 4: first at doing a lot.
Speaker 1: I was first to change the game.
Speaker 4: I didn't Yes, it's the number eleven song on the
Speaker 4: biggest on the greatest hits of all time, high one
Speaker 4: hundred list period.
Speaker 1: I don't care what, none of nobody don't care. With
Speaker 1: noning nobody.
Speaker 4: There's only one person that's living right now as a
Speaker 4: producer that's in front of me, and that's Jermaine Dupree
Speaker 4: And he's number ten with We Belong Together. So that's
Speaker 4: he not from my generation, He's from the generation before me,
Speaker 4: you feel me so.
Speaker 6: So basically, JD is the only nigga that's close enough
Speaker 6: to even be able to fit in that comparison with you.
Speaker 1: It's just the truth. Yeah, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I got eighteen high one hundred and one. Is you
Speaker 1: ask any and what I mean?
Speaker 4: Nigga Hot one? You know that number one spot on
Speaker 4: that Hot one hundred listen like that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who you think? Who you think?
Speaker 7: The up and coming goal is of like songwriting, like
Speaker 7: these new guys, this generation songwriter.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: I feel like there's there's a there's quite a few
Speaker 4: people that's showing potential.
Speaker 1: I don't see it yet. You see what hit Maker?
Speaker 1: Just being honest, it's a big fact. I like Hitmaker,
Speaker 1: but he don't have a high one hundred number one yet.
Speaker 1: He gotta.
Speaker 4: You gotta have the numbers, guys, you can. You can
Speaker 4: call yourself hit maker. You can. You can do all
Speaker 4: of that. You gotta show up and show the funk out.
Speaker 4: All that talking is for the birds. You got to show.
Speaker 1: Me, like the record you just played in them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: show me, you gotta press me, show me and listen.
Speaker 1: I love hit Maker, but I would be doing hit
Speaker 1: Maker at this.
Speaker 4: Service to say that he is doing that when you
Speaker 4: ain't got the numbers, because somebody's gonna come along and
Speaker 4: kill you with that conversation. I don't want to misleave
Speaker 4: my brother and say, hey, brother, you're doing this, and
Speaker 4: when you're gonna bring it, somebody's gonna walk up and say,
Speaker 4: you know, it's just like somebody's gonna somebody's gonna what
Speaker 4: they call uh what they call it when you they're
Speaker 4: gonna fact check you. You know what I'm saying, like, like,
Speaker 4: who have you broke? Like I broke Chris Brown, I
Speaker 4: broke Sierra I sent us You're through the moon like
Speaker 4: I said, Beyonce through the universe.
Speaker 1: Think part of it. Just it's a different time.
Speaker 4: And you know, by the time I'm talking about what
Speaker 4: what the what time capsules?
Speaker 1: Respect what we're talking about some big facts and were
Speaker 1: talking about you can't bring me on big facts that
Speaker 1: he ain't want to talk about no facts. How we
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 4: But I mean, and that's the reality of it. It's
Speaker 4: like and that's see, that's the bullshit.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Because you because you're wearing because you because you win,
Speaker 4: you're in that uniform I'm supposed to give you.
Speaker 1: Nah, what about producing? What produces? What you want to
Speaker 1: work with in this time?
Speaker 4: Like I mean, I like a lot of the producers,
Speaker 4: you know, I like a lot of See I gotta
Speaker 4: go back like see. That's the hard part because some
Speaker 4: people don't look at an interview and be like my
Speaker 4: nigga cocks hell, you know, but black like he's supposed
Speaker 4: to tell his motherfuckers. You supposed let him know better, right.
Speaker 4: But the hard part, that's the that's the hard part,
Speaker 4: because I don't like.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like. I don't like.
Speaker 4: Putting anybody down when you ask me about him making
Speaker 4: it's a heart, it's a heart.
Speaker 1: It's a hard respond you know.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, because it's like, oh you hate on
Speaker 4: ah not because they was no motherfuckers didn't let me.
Speaker 4: They didn't give me that bro. They wouldn't give me
Speaker 4: no room. Yeah, they wouldn't give me no room. They
Speaker 4: won't give me no I did, yeah, and they was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's usher what Okay, So you're saying whatever you did.
Speaker 7: They were trying to kind of hold up like man,
Speaker 7: because they yell, had they got leaked, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: And it was it was because it was it was
Speaker 4: just God, that was just that just came out of nowhere.
Speaker 4: It's like that song was leaked December twenty third, uh,
Speaker 4: two thousand and three when we went on Christmas vacation.
Speaker 1: Came back. Man, that motherfuckers like sixty three hundred spins
Speaker 1: a week you work?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, what's that?
Speaker 1: You can't stop that?
Speaker 4: That's unbelievable, you know, And it's like and it's like
Speaker 4: all of the other people, you know, it's like at
Speaker 4: some point, ain't look, bro, you you could just you could,
Speaker 4: you could thank me you wrote and friends, that was
Speaker 4: somebody else's whole song, like that was just a whole
Speaker 4: nother song or somebody did they just redid the song.
Speaker 1: Did do the same numbers?
Speaker 4: Like yeah, yes, your number on the greatest of all times.
Speaker 4: And when you say when you when you talk about
Speaker 4: like a hit maker or the dream remember.
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: So so, no one no one just ever publicly come
Speaker 3: on black, you can't fuck with me, man, No one
Speaker 3: has ever publicly thanked you on the War Show, social media.
Speaker 4: Nothing never do y'all see me on BT, do y'all
Speaker 4: see me? They don't even I ain't even got the
Speaker 4: chance to present. They don't even let me present.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But it's just what anybody ever call you and thank you,
Speaker 1: oh man, because they don't want to say it. It's okay,
Speaker 1: Why do you think so let's think this looking to
Speaker 1: the bottom of this. Why do you think it's so?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like anything else.
Speaker 4: It's just like you know, because he because you ain't
Speaker 4: casching nobody ass bro. It's like I'm not I'm here
Speaker 4: to do my job.
Speaker 1: I'm here.
Speaker 4: I'm here for you to appreciate my If I if
Speaker 4: I give you my heart and you don't appreciate my heart,
Speaker 4: am I supposed to argue with you about that? No,
Speaker 4: I just gotta I just gotta look at you. I
Speaker 4: just gotta look at you every time I see you,
Speaker 4: and I see you.
Speaker 5: So let me ask you this.
Speaker 6: In a in a in a working relationship, and in
Speaker 6: a business setting. If I give you my heart and
Speaker 6: I see this you don't appreciate it, does that mean okay, hey,
Speaker 6: you didn't appreciate my heart the first time I gave
Speaker 6: it to you, So I'm not gonna fuck with you anymore?
Speaker 6: Or does that mean that I gave you my heart
Speaker 6: you didn't appreciate it. I'm just gonna continue to work
Speaker 6: with you because we do good business together. But with
Speaker 6: the realization that you don't appreciate your heart, We're just.
Speaker 1: Doing business, that's more.
Speaker 4: And I don't even I don't even make it a
Speaker 4: point of even bitching about it. It's just like, it's
Speaker 4: just it. I wouldn't be human because I am a person.
Speaker 4: I'm emotional. I'm a person that definitely have emotions, and
Speaker 4: I really give a fuck about people.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, I know what it hurts
Speaker 5: when they don't give that same fun back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely pisses you.
Speaker 4: It definitely fucks with you at some point because it's like,
Speaker 4: and then when you see the I'm saying, people struggling
Speaker 4: like they're struggling, like they think they're fooling us. But
Speaker 4: we know your last outing wasn't what that other shit was,
Speaker 4: So your ego gonna kill you. That's why I don't
Speaker 4: worry about it. Don't bother me. It's like, we all
Speaker 4: heard the album, we heard the ship. It didn't it
Speaker 4: ain't it now? Now you got to figure that out.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, but the next time, if
Speaker 4: you decide to be a next time, or if I'm around,
Speaker 4: then we'll make sure that motherfucker shit makes sense on paper.
Speaker 1: What happened with the weapon you had to did for us?
Speaker 1: Why they make the album? Uh?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: The uh yeah that I was.
Speaker 4: I was a little pissed off about that too, the
Speaker 4: uh the Glue record, because yeah, I mean man, I
Speaker 4: feel like we brought Usher back with that song for sure,
Speaker 4: Like that was the one song that really connected and
Speaker 4: resonated with the community in reference to who Usher really is,
Speaker 4: his true essence, his performing ability.
Speaker 1: You know, he was in he was in you know,
Speaker 1: he was out in.
Speaker 4: M in Vegas doing his doing this thing, you know,
Speaker 4: and he had went through all of the things that
Speaker 4: he went through.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't leave my brother's side, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I went out to shout out to my brother the
Speaker 4: Veiler brothers, and me and Little John and the Valor
Speaker 4: brothers went out there to Vegas and and and and
Speaker 4: was determined and and me personally, I was really the.
Speaker 1: Only one that really wanted to do it.
Speaker 4: People was like, fuck that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But I love my brother, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And it's just like for the ship not to be
Speaker 4: on the album, like and the album wasn't I mean,
Speaker 4: what see that kind of shit right there? You're saying
Speaker 4: like the al will doodle I said, I know that
Speaker 4: our made confessions, you know what I'm saying. And for me,
Speaker 4: for me, that ain't a win for us. That's the
Speaker 4: whole point. That's where her coming at. It's like, cause
Speaker 4: niggas is calling my phone asking me why man, what
Speaker 4: the fuck going on?
Speaker 5: Sean?
Speaker 1: Like, who make that call?
Speaker 4: If you had to get I mean, it's the team,
Speaker 4: you know, you know at this point, you know, it's
Speaker 4: just his own boss, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 4: the other powers that be, you know, they make their decisions.
Speaker 4: And you know, unfortunately that's the difference between working your
Speaker 4: own project and being an artist and then giving things
Speaker 4: away to people. You know what I'm saying, because in
Speaker 4: those deals, you give them the opportunity and the rights
Speaker 4: to be able to uh place that master wherever they
Speaker 4: want to, right, And that's what you learn about the business.
Speaker 4: And so you have to understand the difference, right, and
Speaker 4: you have to also build a tough skin to understand
Speaker 4: that everything ain't gonna work the way you want it
Speaker 4: to work. You know, you would hope to have the
Speaker 4: influence on people that you can, but unfortunately it's just
Speaker 4: not that. It's just not that's just the way it
Speaker 4: goes sometimes. And so you know, it's just like being
Speaker 4: in being in the league and getting traded. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. It's like, Damn, y'all ain't gonna give
Speaker 4: what's my man that just left Golden State. Y'all ain't
Speaker 4: gonna get clear motherfucker check Clay, help y'all wear in
Speaker 4: full rings, Like, come on, man.
Speaker 1: No folks feel like Clay, we paid for what you did.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, to to to to screams
Speaker 4: to screams points when he was asking, well, Sean, do
Speaker 4: you feel like sometimes stylists that style people right, should
Speaker 4: they get the same you know, love and respect on stage.
Speaker 4: It's like it's a difference when a person helps change
Speaker 4: your life and keep your lights on, that's different and
Speaker 4: that's a lot of itself. If you do that too,
Speaker 4: how long do you give gratitude to that? Though it's
Speaker 4: forever gratitude, but how long do you allow, like.
Speaker 1: Clay, if you don't fit the team. For the price
Speaker 1: that it don't fit, Bro, you.
Speaker 7: Gotta business rights, Like we're gonna forever be grateful for
Speaker 7: what you've done, But what can you do?
Speaker 1: That's all Like, that's why you're dropping his album because like,
Speaker 1: y'all know what I done did, But I'm gonna show
Speaker 1: y'all what I do steal. Yeah, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that's where it's at. Man. It's like you know,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's I just think that.
Speaker 4: I think the I think my community, I think people
Speaker 4: like y'all, I think all the DJs.
Speaker 1: Man. You know, it's been a journey, like you know.
Speaker 4: Also, uh you know, like break up, Breakup was my
Speaker 4: first single off my album.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I shared that record with Mario. He's in trouble, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I shared that song with him,
Speaker 4: Like that was my song. Y'all hear the song? That's me,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So you know, it's just like, Bro,
Speaker 4: you never brought me out one time. You never brought
Speaker 4: me out one show to.
Speaker 1: Perform to figure it out? It got it? I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. I'll tell you what it is.
Speaker 1: It's just doing something. What is that you're doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm being me man, you know, And but you
Speaker 4: know what, life's a journey and like's a marathon, you know.
Speaker 4: And the same love that you don't get initially, eventually
Speaker 4: a person to love you, they're gonna have to show
Speaker 4: it to you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep it real with you.
Speaker 7: You know what, a lot of people hate when you're good,
Speaker 7: and you know you con A lot of people hate
Speaker 7: that ship. You know how good you are for real
Speaker 7: and you want to be treated that way. They hate
Speaker 7: you for that. Like like you speaking numbers, like a
Speaker 7: lot of numbers that I didn't know, you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.
Speaker 7: A lot of people that I'm looking at like that
Speaker 7: they making hits. You're saying they ain't even made.
Speaker 4: The charts, so like they're making they making the charts black,
Speaker 4: but they doing like they talking about there's a difference
Speaker 4: in an R and B top five and a hot
Speaker 4: one hundred number one.
Speaker 1: Okay, you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Just because they're playing the Ship on the radio, my nigga, Like,
Speaker 4: don't get that shit confused with like I'm talking about
Speaker 4: that motherfucker that go bean that I'm talking about, that
Speaker 4: being circling around. Yeah, that that circle like the bean,
Speaker 4: like that tone, like you know what I mean, you
Speaker 4: know what that's a hum and then it's a motherfucking thing.
Speaker 4: It's two different.
Speaker 3: But you speaking, you were speaking, you were speaking about
Speaker 3: God's work, right, don't you think that that synergy of
Speaker 3: if you give yeah to I don't know, make up
Speaker 3: an artist's name, verse giving it to Usher like you
Speaker 3: gave yeah to Usher. You're saying the Usher is talented, right,
Speaker 3: So say if you give that to another artist, because
Speaker 3: you obviously giving records to artists, Like I said, I
Speaker 3: could have give yeah to more.
Speaker 8: Fucking uh uh, what's one man the same I could
Speaker 8: That ship just stimulated had the same effect.
Speaker 1: I could have gave you to Chris Brown. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but it just all made sense that the record made
Speaker 1: so much. Yea Atlantic record, But it was created for
Speaker 1: him When you asked that question, Oh yeah, man, but
Speaker 1: it was created for him. Like it's just like you said,
Speaker 1: can he wear craft? It was crafted for him.
Speaker 5: So almost fit. It was tailored, so you.
Speaker 1: Have to tailor it for Chris Brown.
Speaker 4: If you'd have made it from Chris Brown, I sat
Speaker 4: in the studio for eight hours to wait for us
Speaker 4: to come downstairs. Okay, I went out to his house
Speaker 4: two twice for people to tell me.
Speaker 1: That I'm going to ruin his career. Mm hmm, okay,
Speaker 1: you really want me to? Yeah, tell you what I went.
Speaker 1: I went through it. I went through it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now, all these other people, now, these people that's talking
Speaker 4: about the song, all they didn't do that.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't these people won't fuck with me? Is that
Speaker 1: his biggest record? The biggest is one of black music's
Speaker 1: biggest record ever. Did y'all see the super Bowl? That
Speaker 1: was the biggest song of the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the biggest song our generation. Let's stop playing
Speaker 4: this fucking thriller. One of the greatest albums ever. Yes
Speaker 4: it is, y'all tell me a black song bigger than Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just tell me on the charts. We can't ship blew
Speaker 1: the charts up. Bro. It stopped the music, stopped the
Speaker 1: music world. It changed the way music sounded. The fight
Speaker 1: to get him his biggest record.
Speaker 4: Imagine if that was you, black big black bank. Come
Speaker 4: on now, come on now, so let.
Speaker 5: Me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 6: Since we're talking about records and handcraft and all that
Speaker 6: kind of stuff. With you being a triple threat of
Speaker 6: a producer, a songwriter, and an artist, how do you
Speaker 6: make the determination as to whether or not you're going
Speaker 6: to keep a record for yourself or whether or not
Speaker 6: you're gonna give it away to someone else? Like, what
Speaker 6: what makes you? What makes that determination for you? When
Speaker 6: you're creating them, you're a process.
Speaker 4: A lot of times if they don't take it, to
Speaker 4: be very honest, if I was to be so, you.
Speaker 5: Normally give it away first, and then if.
Speaker 1: They don't get drafted for them generally, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So it's not like it's not like I just write
Speaker 4: records and they be sitting around generally unless I'm just
Speaker 4: in that mode.
Speaker 1: But I generally don't be in that mode.
Speaker 5: Because your shit is basically cook the order.
Speaker 4: Every day I work, every day, I create a song
Speaker 4: every day of my life, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Whether I'm creating for me or Jimmy or Shirley or so,
Speaker 4: it's just like and so I get you know, like
Speaker 4: I might go work.
Speaker 1: I might go work with Beyonce and do seven records.
Speaker 4: Generally she takes the seven records like I went to
Speaker 4: go work on Desty's for Phil Dusty shaw last album.
Speaker 1: And I went there to do one song and that
Speaker 1: first song was is She the Reason? Is She the
Speaker 1: reason you like you used to?
Speaker 4: And the second song doing was girl you need? These
Speaker 4: are classics like ladies and gentlemen? Can we stop playing?
Speaker 1: Like? Can we fucking quit? Like? Are y'all serious? I mean,
Speaker 1: y'all want me to look? Are y'all? I said? Girl?
Speaker 1: I said, is she the reason? Dunn down? Nfe wonder
Speaker 1: what we're talking about.
Speaker 4: I ain't talking my soldiers when we took the girls
Speaker 4: from the pop chicks to the streets.
Speaker 1: If the standards ain't the handchacking from what we're talking about,
Speaker 1: can you keep up? Come on, y'all, Bam bam band,
Speaker 1: Come on, dog, ain't do it all that you did?
Speaker 1: Come on, be cock. I ain't even but it's just saying.
Speaker 5: That's why in the beginning I read all that ship.
Speaker 6: Out because like he's just sitting here like Sean, like
Speaker 6: this nigga is Big Sean, Like for real, this.
Speaker 4: Nigga shuttle big Shine?
Speaker 1: Which one is big Shine.
Speaker 7: To which one of these new artists that you see
Speaker 7: like in this in this era that you feel like
Speaker 7: I can craft them something like.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's been a couple of young artists that
Speaker 4: I'm working on right now that like it's this young
Speaker 4: kid named my Low that's on Black Ground. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: play this song before I leave. You're talking about some
Speaker 4: rn B ship, yo, he like he like Bobby Brown
Speaker 4: meets Bobby will Matck for real, shout be on that
Speaker 4: type of ship, young nigga ship. Like females, all the
Speaker 4: females in the world that do music, ask them about
Speaker 4: Sean Garrett.
Speaker 1: Ask them all the females, all y'all females out here
Speaker 1: that want to do songs. Do you guys want to
Speaker 1: work with me? Ask them? Do you want to work
Speaker 1: with me? Or do you work with him? Ask him?
Speaker 3: Has Sean Garrett ever been in a studio session or
Speaker 3: studio set and created or thought about creating with Future?
Speaker 4: Oh man, Future is one of my favorite artists, No bullshit.
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, shout out to my man
Speaker 4: Mike will with me and Future. Yeah, me and Future
Speaker 4: got a chance to work one time. We did a
Speaker 4: song actually that was on my album set, the video
Speaker 4: and on everything. I just never never would never put
Speaker 4: it out. But Future is probably one of the smartest.
Speaker 4: He probably one of the smartest artists. He is. He
Speaker 4: is the ship, Like I mean, he he really understands
Speaker 4: his brand, understands what to say, he unders.
Speaker 1: Dances not.
Speaker 4: To be Yeah, and you know, game recognized game, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, like creative, Like there's a lot
Speaker 4: of people like I know I have may have said
Speaker 4: some things in reference to like shit I don't like,
Speaker 4: but let me tell you the ship I do. Like,
Speaker 4: there's such a great amount of geniuses that I really
Speaker 4: really respect and fuck with, but he's definitely one of them.
Speaker 4: Of Course I love Kendrick Lamar, I love Drake nobody else.
Speaker 4: I think he's a fucking genius. Like, he's a fucking genius.
Speaker 1: J Cole.
Speaker 4: Producers, I mean, of course my man shout Out Bangladesh
Speaker 4: is one of my favorite producers of all time. Swiss
Speaker 4: Beat of course, uh Timblin of course. Missy Elliott is
Speaker 4: like one of my inspirations. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: As a creative I was able, you know, to take
Speaker 4: a lot of these jewels and.
Speaker 1: What these people did. They impacted my life.
Speaker 4: So much, you know, even from like New addition, Velvet
Speaker 4: de Vaux the streets. You know what I mean, you
Speaker 4: just talk about I love uh Dillo. I just think
Speaker 4: he's fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: Just his just his his cadence, his approach, you know,
Speaker 1: he his. I don't give a fuck this. You know.
Speaker 1: I love what the girls are doing. You know that the.
Speaker 4: Girls are going crazy? You know Uh Lorella, I love her,
Speaker 4: I love all the girls. I'm just happy to see
Speaker 4: the women just doing what they're doing. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, it's you can take your pick. I love
Speaker 4: the new JT record. I fucking love j Crazy Snow.
Speaker 1: I just I just love our culture. I really do.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: You've been in the game twenty years, twenty one years, right,
Speaker 1: twenty years? How do you avoid like you know what?
Speaker 4: It never It never was attractive to me, you know,
Speaker 4: the weird ship which is never attracted to me.
Speaker 1: You've been even knowing me? You ever know me?
Speaker 4: I just never really gave a funk about trying to
Speaker 4: be seen or or trying trying to fit in, trying
Speaker 4: to be liked.
Speaker 5: You know what, I'm trying to be anything.
Speaker 4: Just my damn self, you know what I'm saying, Because
Speaker 4: I'm not good at being other things besides myself.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't you know.
Speaker 5: Anything else.
Speaker 7: A lot of niggas is good are being comedians and
Speaker 7: changing theyself for other people.
Speaker 1: A lot of niggas is good.
Speaker 5: That s it don't last for long.
Speaker 4: And I think that's the thing that people don't understand about.
Speaker 4: This is the part that people don't understand about hit
Speaker 4: makers and songwriters. Those chameleons have to come back to
Speaker 4: a source, a ground source, to get some new ship.
Speaker 4: To get that ship, that's where people getting.
Speaker 5: Get a new costume or a new suit.
Speaker 4: That's what people get fucked up. When you come outside.
Speaker 4: You have to show the fuck up and show the
Speaker 4: fuck out. I don't give a fuck about all that talking.
Speaker 1: Is that ship it?
Speaker 4: When I had the press play, I asked my brothers
Speaker 4: sisters to come and hear my ship my album before
Speaker 4: I even had the interview, because it comes with a
Speaker 4: different respect.
Speaker 1: Bangers too. When you hear them motherfuckers. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: When that ship, when you press play, all that talking
Speaker 4: and ship, all that what your name is? And you
Speaker 4: this and no no, no bro, because your ship just
Speaker 4: playing on the radio. You you walk around telling people
Speaker 4: what it is. They should be telling you what the
Speaker 4: fuck it is. I wait for the people to tell me,
Speaker 4: Oh damn, Sean, your song going crazy?
Speaker 1: Oh you like it? I appreciate that it's not supposed
Speaker 1: to work.
Speaker 7: Let's get into the album. What you got on them?
Speaker 7: Well I heard it, but you know, letting people know
Speaker 7: what we got on them?
Speaker 1: What that ships like? Smacking? You feel smacking?
Speaker 7: Even a play like you saying like these this album
Speaker 7: because they hard when singles ready to go though, yes, sir, uh, Well, listen,
Speaker 7: ladies and gentlemen, like I'm really really excited about my
Speaker 7: album this. This is the first opportunity I would I
Speaker 7: would say that you're getting a chance to get me.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Me as a man, me
Speaker 4: and me as a struggle, Me as the vulnerable, the
Speaker 4: vulnerable brother that talks about his pain and talks about
Speaker 4: his uh inability sometime to understand what I'm supposed to
Speaker 4: understand when it comes to relationships and love and.
Speaker 1: My struggle. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I talked about I talk about what my mental struggle was,
Speaker 4: and a lot of men need that, you know, some
Speaker 4: of some of us need the confirmation to knowing Like, damn, bro,
Speaker 4: I'm going through.
Speaker 1: That same moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's okay to talk about it, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like when we talk about mental health, you know,
Speaker 4: Like my second single it's called Girlfriend featuring Uhpliza Huncho, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 4: But that's a record for us, that's a record for
Speaker 4: our sisters and our brothers, and basically that record talks about, uh,
Speaker 4: the struggle of like being misled.
Speaker 1: It's like, damn baby, you told me, you told me
Speaker 1: that you had me. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You told me you had my back. You told me
Speaker 4: you wanted to get to call me. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And through all this ship, whatever the happens,
Speaker 4: we're supposed to you know what. Yeah, but now you
Speaker 4: got them. You're trying to you the turbulence to the car.
Speaker 4: They God, damn, you're trying to jump out the car,
Speaker 4: out the carboard, you know what I like. Now, Now
Speaker 4: now it's turbulence, right, And I'm trying to maintain. I'm
Speaker 4: trying to maintain I'm only one man, I'm only one.
Speaker 4: I'm only a human.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I know I'm Superman. I
Speaker 1: know I'm.
Speaker 4: Superman, but I'm a human, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So you know, you know a lot of these everybody's different.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Some people play the streaming games, some people play the
Speaker 4: numbers game. You know me, I played the real game.
Speaker 4: I just talk about what the fuck I really feel, really,
Speaker 4: and you either like it or you don't, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. And I'm hoping that you like it.
Speaker 4: But that's what my album's about, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And they're gonna fuck with in the clubs for show dj's'
Speaker 4: offen the fuck with it.
Speaker 1: I like that record with Jahck cueson on that one.
Speaker 1: I like them.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, that's the one we jumping out the goddamn
Speaker 4: we're jumping out to playing with that one. First, shout
Speaker 4: out my Black Queen. Shout out my boy Keys. I
Speaker 4: did a lot of.
Speaker 1: The album with my boy Keys.
Speaker 4: Yeah Man Keys and Ship, my engineer and executive producer
Speaker 4: does shout out my damn manager Kenny Cole, my brother
Speaker 4: Bobby Jack, who always got down got my back. I'm
Speaker 4: just shout out my label, Blackground Warner, all the people
Speaker 4: that just support my music.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 4: You know what, I'm saying, like when people ask me,
Speaker 4: like some people say some stupid shit sometimes like man, Sean,
Speaker 4: you're still doing this shit, man, why are you putting
Speaker 4: an album out?
Speaker 1: Like Nigga.
Speaker 4: I was an artist who I gave y'all year before
Speaker 4: I gave y'all this and that and this and that.
Speaker 1: I was an artist. But I would have to be
Speaker 1: patient also.
Speaker 4: To get my shit right right because all of these projects,
Speaker 4: when artists put the albums together, they take time to
Speaker 4: put them shit together. You know, they got a team,
Speaker 4: they got a label, they got you know, they got
Speaker 4: all these different they got agents, they have all these
Speaker 4: different things, and it takes time.
Speaker 1: To build those things in those relationships. You know.
Speaker 4: That's the one hard part. I would say, if you
Speaker 4: ask me, like, what was the most difficult thing about
Speaker 4: the success? Not knowing who these people were. That was
Speaker 4: probably the most difficult thing, because I didn't know who
Speaker 4: I was talking to when it came down to radio
Speaker 4: or what a radio promo person, what it did, and
Speaker 4: when it came to different tiers of what they did
Speaker 4: versus how the record label works and the person that
Speaker 4: runs radio from the label to the independent independence, independent
Speaker 4: promoters to the radio you know. All of that shit
Speaker 4: was very complicated when you don't know, and then so
Speaker 4: you're gonna make those mistakes and you're gonna have those
Speaker 4: inconsistencies when you have those inconsistencies of like, hey man,
Speaker 4: well why this record, Sean, why would you put your
Speaker 4: Inkwell album out? You know you had? I mean, I
Speaker 4: paid for all of my videos with me and Nicki
Speaker 4: Minaj shout out Nicki Minaj's Get It All or Me,
Speaker 4: Gucci and Tiger with she Geek or or.
Speaker 1: Me and.
Speaker 4: Jacob phil Love. I had a version with Drake on
Speaker 4: air as well. I had all these different features I had.
Speaker 4: I created this album, I had all these videos. I
Speaker 4: spend three hundred thousand dollars a fucking video. You're thinking
Speaker 4: that that's the right thing to do, but you're not
Speaker 4: understanding how to intricately put those songs in motion in
Speaker 4: the system. So a lot of this ship is learning
Speaker 4: the system. How do you pick who you work with?
Speaker 4: Is like, how do you pick who you work with?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: I be inspired? Like I'm a I'm a I'm a
Speaker 4: very uh on pissy.
Speaker 1: So I'm very.
Speaker 4: Discerning, you know, selective, yeah, and selective based on a
Speaker 4: person's energy and their heart and the realness, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like, I just like real shit, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? And sometimes you know, you know
Speaker 4: you're doing some pop shit sometimes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like when I work with Enrique Glacis, that was that
Speaker 4: was amazing, you know what I mean, Like he was
Speaker 4: but you know what, He's a good example of somebody
Speaker 4: that was really.
Speaker 1: Kind to me.
Speaker 5: Was it like a breath of fresh air?
Speaker 4: It really was? Like when I work with Enrique I did.
Speaker 4: I did the Milo which was number one for thirteen
Speaker 4: weeks on a Latin Hot one hundred charts.
Speaker 1: Another one right, My people don't even know I did that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Where you get to compare.
Speaker 7: To you know who on your whistling is like Sean
Speaker 7: Glary Richly, I would work with this person, but I
Speaker 7: ain't got a change.
Speaker 4: A lot of the newer artists that's out now, man, Man,
Speaker 4: it's some dope ass I like. Uh man, I like
Speaker 4: so many different artists out man, that's a that's a
Speaker 4: great question. So I just had a brain last with
Speaker 4: so many of them that's out a lot of the
Speaker 4: newer artists that that are out. I really like that
Speaker 4: they're very different.
Speaker 1: But there's a.
Speaker 4: There's a difficult part with some artists when it comes
Speaker 4: to writing their music and making hits. So you got
Speaker 4: to understand what that what it is that they want, right,
Speaker 4: Because I'm a hit maker, so I'm probably going to
Speaker 4: be looking at it completely different than being.
Speaker 1: A creative and just making music. You're yeah, and and
Speaker 1: and and and intentional.
Speaker 4: Like if I'm coming in to do something, it's it's
Speaker 4: it's an intent.
Speaker 1: Right. We have to score, right if I'm that's what
Speaker 1: I want to do.
Speaker 5: If my name is attached to this, it has to go.
Speaker 4: I wanted to score, right, because not only when you
Speaker 4: score do you help yourself, but you help your community,
Speaker 4: you help the world, you help you there's something that
Speaker 4: you've given more to the world when there's a score, Right,
Speaker 4: when there's a win, it's like, damn, it's something to
Speaker 4: take from that, right. But if it was just something
Speaker 4: that just goes on deaf ears, it's just like, well,
Speaker 4: what was the point of the effort? Right, And so
Speaker 4: my perspective is just always like what's the intent, what's
Speaker 4: the purpose, and what's the point, And not to be
Speaker 4: complicated about it. It's just I just choose to make
Speaker 4: my life simple and the things I like to do are.
Speaker 1: To be doing something with an.
Speaker 4: Intent, and anything outside of that it just doesn't matter
Speaker 4: to me because it's just so many other things that's
Speaker 4: going on that I gotta worry about.
Speaker 1: I don't want to.
Speaker 4: I don't have really time for that. So I've just
Speaker 4: made my life about my kids, my family, my work,
Speaker 4: and my community. And outside of that, I don't have
Speaker 4: time for the bullshit. I don't have time to be
Speaker 4: fighting with nobody and got time to be arguing with motherfuckers.
Speaker 4: I don't got time for none of that shit.
Speaker 1: And if it seems like it's that, I just get
Speaker 1: the fuck out the way because it's just like, what's
Speaker 1: the purpose of like arguing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck are we arguing about?
Speaker 4: It's like, are we trying to come up with something
Speaker 4: that's going to help us get to another space, whether
Speaker 4: we're gonna make some more money or we're gonna build
Speaker 4: each other up, we're gonna help each other win. I'm
Speaker 4: with that type of ship, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: But I said I love I want to talk to
Speaker 6: you about speaking of family and mind frame and mindset
Speaker 6: or whatever. You recently did something with the Boys and
Speaker 6: Girls Club about mental health, so I want you to
Speaker 6: speak on that, and then I also want you to
Speaker 6: speak on the other philanthropic things that you've been doing,
Speaker 6: like while we've been missing you or whatever.
Speaker 1: Oh good, it's great, sho. Well.
Speaker 4: The Girls and Boys Club was was really an instrumental
Speaker 4: in my life because I went to the Boys and
Speaker 4: Girls Club when I was like five and six years old,
Speaker 4: and my mom I used to I used to come
Speaker 4: home and be crying and ship every day that I
Speaker 4: went to the boys because that ship was rough as fuck,
Speaker 4: like them, like ship when when.
Speaker 1: I was in the Boys and Girls to do it
Speaker 1: like them a little more. Boy, I'm a little hard.
Speaker 1: I'm hard. I should have got Boys and Girls clubs
Speaker 1: where I learned how to.
Speaker 4: Be a motherfucker man for real, because you get beat
Speaker 4: up in there and they have your ass and that yo,
Speaker 4: I'm for real.
Speaker 1: It's like ship.
Speaker 4: You volunteer should be like one hundred little boys in
Speaker 4: that motherfucking they and you and they be. I used
Speaker 4: to be like, damn, they're watching us like it's the
Speaker 4: motherfuckers and they watching us, like, and you've been there
Speaker 4: and you feel like you're in prison.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: It's like they've been having they got ship. They got
Speaker 4: this big room with the the the the soft mats
Speaker 4: on the floor, and niggas are fighting, I mean.
Speaker 5: And no help, nobody's coming there.
Speaker 4: You're like, man, every day until I got until I
Speaker 4: had to start. I had to whoop whoop a couple
Speaker 4: of niggas. I had to whoop some ass in there.
Speaker 4: Then they start calling me muscle man. You know what
Speaker 4: I mean with ship, So that whenever when they mentioned
Speaker 4: Boys and Girls Club, I'm fucking with that one hundred
Speaker 4: percent because it's like a lot of these kids, you know,
Speaker 4: that's what they first learned. That's where they had their
Speaker 4: first fight. That's where they get jumped on first. That's
Speaker 4: when you learn to become You got to stand for yourself,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that's the community, you know.
Speaker 4: So you know, and and when it comes to like
Speaker 4: my album, another thing, you know, I wanted to share
Speaker 4: my album with my community, Like I was saying that,
Speaker 4: like some artists are like streaming the artists. I'm a
Speaker 4: community artist, you know what I'm saying, Meaning like I'm
Speaker 4: the guy next door, meaning.
Speaker 5: Like grassroots, ground based.
Speaker 1: I want to play my show on the radio.
Speaker 4: I want you to see me down there at the
Speaker 4: V one O three ship they do every year one
Speaker 4: O seven nine ninety four five birthday bash show.
Speaker 1: That's just that's what you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: The grocery store, that's me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And I'm a build from there. So you can get
Speaker 4: to know me and you know the type of person
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 1: And so that's so uh that's that's a big part
Speaker 1: of what my album is about.
Speaker 4: Boys and club, boys and girls club. It's still community.
Speaker 4: Anything that's got something to do with the communitybody that
Speaker 4: know me. I've been a part of the community. I've
Speaker 4: always talked with the DJ supported Yeah, I've always I've
Speaker 4: always helped a lot of people, have employed a lot
Speaker 4: of people. I just never really talked about ship. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. It wasn't about talking about it.
Speaker 5: It's just about doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And so philanthropically.
Speaker 4: Uh So, I got this thing called that I'm doing
Speaker 4: called Smash on the Radio University, and basically Smash on
Speaker 4: the Radio University is just gonna be like, well, I
Speaker 4: do seminars, and I really help kids and young producers
Speaker 4: and young songwriters, young artists, just music business one on one.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying from the perspective of like
Speaker 4: ground roots understanding the breakdown to where you have like
Speaker 4: a little manual you can go in reference, you can
Speaker 4: have something you can look at, or you can go
Speaker 4: you know online, and I'm gonna have a subscription based
Speaker 4: program that you can go have answer some of these
Speaker 4: questions to kind of lease give you some sort of
Speaker 4: understand today. Not like one of those music one on
Speaker 4: one books that you got to go read in the library.
Speaker 4: But this is like some today shit, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like the shit we go through, the shit
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to figure out now based on like
Speaker 4: streaming versus like what the radio, because some people will
Speaker 4: say shit to you, Like like this business is really
Speaker 4: based on what people have to say, right, And so
Speaker 4: it's like if some people say that radio don't matter
Speaker 4: no more, and I'd be like, that's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: Radio do matter. The radio is the community.
Speaker 4: Like if there was a tornado today, more people gonna
Speaker 4: find out that ain't got phones. What the fuck's going
Speaker 4: on on the radio? You know what I'm saying. In
Speaker 4: our community. Of course, now if you want these savvy
Speaker 4: tech people and you got you got a phone, you're
Speaker 4: gonna find a shit on your on your phone too.
Speaker 4: But if your phone happened to not be working the radio,
Speaker 4: to me, I feel like still speaks to our community.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Everybody ain't you know when you go into some of
Speaker 4: these hoods man ship there, I ain't got no computer,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Everybody, Some people no smartphone.
Speaker 4: People ain't got no phone, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And so that ship, that shit still matters to me,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Like, right down here, my
Speaker 4: mom had a trailer. We lived in a trailer right
Speaker 4: down here on the north side, right across the street.
Speaker 4: I just went to the to the corner store. I
Speaker 4: was like, damn man.
Speaker 1: When I was about four years old, I used to
Speaker 1: live right down there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And it was a It was an old man at
Speaker 4: the at the gas station and he was like, hey,
Speaker 4: young blad.
Speaker 1: You know. Uh.
Speaker 4: He asked me could I could he get a dollar?
Speaker 4: When I went in the store, I didn't have no
Speaker 4: cash on when I came out gave some money. He said, hey, man,
Speaker 4: you know, if you ever uh, if you have over here, man,
Speaker 4: you need you need somebody to pump your gas.
Speaker 1: You know, I do it for you. Man, I love
Speaker 1: to do it for you.
Speaker 4: But what that meant to me, That meant that meant
Speaker 4: a lot to me because he could have just said
Speaker 4: thank you and that's that that.
Speaker 1: But he said, hey, man, I could do something for
Speaker 1: you for giving me this dollar.
Speaker 4: This.
Speaker 5: I don't want you to just give me a handout.
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, man, like that's the kind of
Speaker 4: ship that still matters. And so what I realized what
Speaker 4: I do is I'm an interpreter. So when I write songs,
Speaker 4: my songs just don't be about my perspective, my my
Speaker 4: My songs be about me. And you may have a
Speaker 4: conversation about you know, your your you and your wife, bro.
Speaker 4: Or I might be telling you like, man, damn, but man,
Speaker 4: my son acting crazy. The motherfucker you got you gotta
Speaker 4: sign and we can and we can have dialogue about that.
Speaker 4: We can learn from man. Well, you know I did
Speaker 4: this with my son, and I taught him this way.
Speaker 4: I can learn something from that.
Speaker 1: And that's gonna help me. That's just that's that's that's
Speaker 1: how I write songs.
Speaker 4: The creativity, yeah man, and it's just it just helps
Speaker 4: us be you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And it translates your environment.
Speaker 4: It translates, it translates everything. You know, it helps you understand.
Speaker 4: That's why, you know, I would like to explain to
Speaker 4: young people who like to create and be creative writers,
Speaker 4: that's a talent that imagine. I mean, you can make
Speaker 4: not only can you make it, you could be the next.
Speaker 4: You can write, you can write TV shows.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I learned.
Speaker 4: I learned the process of how to write songs. Then
Speaker 4: then I got good at it. I wasn't always that
Speaker 4: good at it. I just had to learn how to
Speaker 4: ship worked. Once I realized how to work, then now
Speaker 4: now I'm thinking, hey, I.
Speaker 1: Can go write a movie.
Speaker 4: I knew I could write a movie when I was
Speaker 4: in your movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, I was like, man, damn, I could write a movie.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. There was an inspiration that
Speaker 1: was inspiring just your life.
Speaker 4: Like it's like like like I'm here because I want
Speaker 4: to be here, Like I wanted to do this show,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? This show is important in
Speaker 4: our community and our culture, like we all are a
Speaker 4: part of this community. And the fact that y'all respect
Speaker 4: me enough to even allow me to be on your
Speaker 4: platform and tell my story.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. You know, the s the big Shine.
Speaker 3: Get that ship fucked up, Big Facts, Big factspod dot
Speaker 3: com running.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, back and talking about the fact of the album.
Speaker 4: Man, we got to man, and you know, yeah, we
Speaker 4: just got you know, once I get started, ain't gonna stop.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just gonna be single after single after single.
Speaker 1: And you know, for.
Speaker 4: All the people out there, you know, back open for business.
Speaker 5: Boy.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying that hard drive, man, come on,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 4: But yeah, man, I'm really inspired man about just this
Speaker 4: new generation of artists and because they really wanted That's
Speaker 4: what I really like about it. It's like they're hungry.
Speaker 4: They have seen some of the successes of what has
Speaker 4: came before them, man, and they inspired about it. They
Speaker 4: you know, that's what I love. I could see it,
Speaker 4: I feel it. I feel it from them. And you
Speaker 4: know the hard part sometimes is like you wanting to
Speaker 4: tell them, especially the artists, man, you'd be like, don't
Speaker 4: do that, just don't do that because and I know
Speaker 4: you gotta you gotta manager in your ear, or even
Speaker 4: the songwriting producers, because they'll, you know, someone be sitting
Speaker 4: me beats. They send me beats, They send me beats
Speaker 4: and be like, damn Sean, like you ain't fucking with
Speaker 4: none of them beats. And then that's another conversation I
Speaker 4: gotta have with him. It's like, because it's an intent,
Speaker 4: I'm not just writing those songs.
Speaker 1: We gotta be intent, Like if Chris Brown needs a record,
Speaker 1: we have to outdo every song that he's getting that has.
Speaker 4: A that's the intent. We can't just go do some
Speaker 4: do a fucking song. I don't do themse type of songs.
Speaker 7: Just because I'm I gotta come with that motherfucker when
Speaker 7: my prins play.
Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna get judged on a whole nother level
Speaker 1: of anybody being average.
Speaker 5: You're not regular.
Speaker 1: So that's what the shipper flood. Niggas go to see
Speaker 1: him lose, don't go to see you.
Speaker 4: They don't want to see me wear no more. Can
Speaker 4: answer your question. They tired of a nigga winning. To
Speaker 4: be honest, it's like, oh, he keeps talking about no
Speaker 4: So I've had people say, you know Sean's gonna tell
Speaker 4: you how many number ones it got.
Speaker 1: Apps A fucking look, right, and.
Speaker 5: The next time you see me, I should have another one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just had another one with you know, Shout
Speaker 4: out to Summer Walker. You know that we executive produced
Speaker 4: her last album. You know what I'm saying. Went through
Speaker 4: the roof. Y'all saw the billboard in New York City,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Shout out lvr N.
Speaker 1: You know. But I don't even talk about.
Speaker 5: I don't talk about the number two Amber.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Amber. Yeah, the whole crew over there.
Speaker 4: But now I don't talk about the number five's and
Speaker 4: the number tens and the eighteens.
Speaker 6: I was just.
Speaker 1: To you know what I mean, DJ playing love song.
Speaker 4: You know, I was just talking like girl the other
Speaker 4: day and she was like, you know, I do know
Speaker 4: she's like my favorite, my favorite.
Speaker 1: What's my man's name? Forgot his name? Get to another story.
Speaker 1: I will come back to that. I probably shouldn't mention
Speaker 1: him anyway.
Speaker 4: But for the part say that, but you know some
Speaker 4: of some some people don't know I did UH one twelve,
Speaker 4: ask no questions, PAPAA mean know Gina, you did that?
Speaker 1: Yep? Uh DJ player love song.
Speaker 4: I'm it'so a ton of songs that you know, we're
Speaker 4: like number two's and number five, so you know, I
Speaker 4: just love it. Man, some people don't know idea papers
Speaker 4: m hm uh married joblige, Yeah, married oblige.
Speaker 1: Enough crying, I've done enough crying at a lot of records.
Speaker 4: But it's a It's a beautiful thing, and I don't
Speaker 4: have nothing negative to say about none of the To
Speaker 4: even go back to the conversation about Dream or any
Speaker 4: of my other competitors when I'm on to feel I'm competing,
Speaker 4: you know, it's a sport to me, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. So I'm definitely gonna talk my ship and
Speaker 4: I'm a stand on business, you know. But you know,
Speaker 4: shout out to hit Maker and the Dream and all
Speaker 4: the songwriters and producers because we all a community of
Speaker 4: greats working towards the same role, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: and that is to show the world our talent and
Speaker 4: keep keep winning, you know what I'm saying, And pushing
Speaker 4: the narrative, pushing the culture. But I'm really happy about
Speaker 4: where music is. It's starting to feel real good again.
Speaker 4: Like I feel like I feel like R and B
Speaker 4: is on its way back in a real way. I
Speaker 4: feel like it's really great that the girls are really
Speaker 4: competing at a certain level. I think it's really great.
Speaker 4: The Kendrick and fight was amazing for hip hop.
Speaker 5: Brought some life back to it.
Speaker 1: It did you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It So look before we get out of here. It
Speaker 5: was one I know. It was one thing that I
Speaker 5: left off that I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 6: So, Okay, we know that you're from the West Side,
Speaker 6: and we know that your ato ho to the dead,
Speaker 6: but a lot of people might not realize or understand
Speaker 6: that when you were I want to say, maybe like
Speaker 6: around five or six, you moved to Europe and you
Speaker 6: lived in Europe. You migrated to Germany, and you know,
Speaker 6: you moved around throughout several other countries for years while
Speaker 6: you were over there. Do you think that that contributed
Speaker 6: to you being such a well rounded person?
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Sean. I mean the fact that you
Speaker 1: think I'm well rounded. Yeah, I would take that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it definitely.
Speaker 4: It definitely helped me to be able to communicate the thing.
Speaker 1: The biggest thing that I learned from growing.
Speaker 4: Abroad was just being able to communicate and realize that
Speaker 4: people are different and the moment that you realize people
Speaker 4: are different and how different they are, it helps you
Speaker 4: understand how to articulate in different settings, in different climates, right,
Speaker 4: And so just trying to be able to survive.
Speaker 1: In these different moments of opportunity.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: It's like when opportunities presented to you, a lot of
Speaker 4: times people fumble the ball, right, and then you got
Speaker 4: to go back.
Speaker 1: It's like training, you know what I'm saying. It's like
Speaker 1: you really got to train.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, those times that I had the chance to
Speaker 4: you know, speak different languages, speak you know, German and
Speaker 4: French and growing in England, signed my first record when
Speaker 4: I was fourteen. Yeah, when I came back to the States,
Speaker 4: I was I felt like I was really ready for
Speaker 4: the world because I had been tested, right, and I
Speaker 4: had to learn. It wasn't like I was talking to
Speaker 4: my peers in Europe. I was talking to people that
Speaker 4: didn't look like me, didn't speak like me, that didn't
Speaker 4: grow up with me, right, And so I.
Speaker 1: Kind of felt like an outsider when I came.
Speaker 4: I would come home quite a bit, and so yeah,
Speaker 4: that was you know, it's always looking at things like
Speaker 4: I looked at my bad what some people will consider
Speaker 4: bad I made those my good, my good attributes, right,
Speaker 4: So it's just like damn, you know, they would say
Speaker 4: when you're in Europe, you know, and we would always say, man,
Speaker 4: when are you going back to the.
Speaker 1: World, right, and and and going.
Speaker 4: Back to the world. Man, I wasn't always greeted with
Speaker 4: I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: I just I just wasn't. I think it's different when
Speaker 1: you don't grow.
Speaker 4: Up with someone you know, like Atlanta's like if you
Speaker 4: grew up with niggas, like you're going you're fucking with
Speaker 4: them for life, right. You went to high school with
Speaker 4: somebody you want, I member him. I've been going to
Speaker 4: school when it's elementary with him. So those relationships are solid, right,
Speaker 4: just like you know, if you like from New York,
Speaker 4: and it's like a lot of those people from New
Speaker 4: York they grew up together. So in the music business,
Speaker 4: when you enter the music business, you generally enter the
Speaker 4: music business from a from a camp or somebody you know,
Speaker 4: your crew or some way like that you know versus now,
Speaker 4: So it was it was, it was difficult. It was
Speaker 4: definitely difficult at times, but the experience of being out
Speaker 4: of the water kind of it really helped me survive
Speaker 4: because it didn't bother me as much, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. It wasn't like it's like, damn, well, I
Speaker 4: ain't been here anyway, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to figure out
Speaker 4: how to survive in this jungle or I'm gonna die, right,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And not to be negative
Speaker 4: about it, but that was some real ship. It's just
Speaker 4: like you're gonna swim. You're gonna sing a swim in
Speaker 4: this ship because they ain't about to make the shit
Speaker 4: easy for you, you know. And so I took I
Speaker 4: took that on as a positive. I didn't take that
Speaker 4: as a negative thing. I just said, hey man, I
Speaker 4: gotta keep down this damn door until they let me in,
Speaker 4: and to all the people that even though people may
Speaker 4: not have gotten the song or gotten me or took
Speaker 4: me the right way or loved me, it wasn't a
Speaker 4: negative thing. I don't want anybody to walk away thinking that,
Speaker 4: you know, I have this anger inside or this there's
Speaker 4: none of that. It's it's I always looked at it
Speaker 4: like I try to always stay centered and at peace
Speaker 4: with them myself, to never look at a person because
Speaker 4: I always look at it. Sometimes some people just don't know.
Speaker 4: So you know, everybody's not gonna know you at the
Speaker 4: same at the right time. Everybody ain't gonna learn you
Speaker 4: at the right time or the right pace. It's just
Speaker 4: you got to give it to God and allow God
Speaker 4: to you know, I always say, you know you really, yeah,
Speaker 4: you got to have order in your life, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 1: I just keep God first. I keep my family first.
Speaker 4: I keep my my heart first, and my heart and
Speaker 4: my passion first, and all of those rules, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, like those foundational rules and tools that
Speaker 4: we all grew up on.
Speaker 1: I keep that shit first, you know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't let a dollar change that.
Speaker 4: You know, nobody's gonna convince me to do no shit
Speaker 4: that I know that I can end up, you know,
Speaker 4: putting my family in danger. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: That shit ain't worth it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm not taking. No, they can't give me one hundred
Speaker 4: thousand dollars to go work with somebody. I know I
Speaker 4: don't need to be working with that ain't That's not
Speaker 4: for me. But any advice I would give to anybody's
Speaker 4: wanting to do this. Try to learn as much about
Speaker 4: it as you can. And it ain't gonna take a
Speaker 4: long time. It's just you got to communicate with people.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Younger generation y'all could get online.
Speaker 4: You know you can, damn it, DM, anybody you can
Speaker 4: talk to, damn in anybody, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And it's really up to you. It was
Speaker 1: just up to me.
Speaker 4: I really wanted to be somebody outside of just average.
Speaker 4: And I never looked at myself as being average. I
Speaker 4: just but I never looked at myself as being anybody
Speaker 4: else either. I just wanted to be good at what
Speaker 4: I do, and I love my people, and I just
Speaker 4: give a fuck, you know.
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