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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Amanda Shires is a Texas born singer songwriter who

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Speaker 1: continued to play with a number of other groups, including

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Speaker 1: country supergroup The High Women, which includes Brandy Carlyle, Natalie Hemby,

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Speaker 1: her younger brother, Willie Nelson's family band for decades. Amanda

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Speaker 1: album Loving You, which was released this past June, nearly

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Speaker 1: a year after Bobby's death. On today's episode, I talked

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Speaker 1: Amanda shires Man.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, Oh, great to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to talk about, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: I want to start with your record with Bobby. That's

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Speaker 2: I really liked that record. We had a great time

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Speaker 1: I guess for people who don't know, Bobby Nelson is

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Speaker 1: Willy Nelson's sister and longtime piano player with Willy, although

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Speaker 1: I'm curious how you were able to get a record

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Speaker 2: Well, i'd seen her play, you know, growing up all

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Speaker 2: rejoin Willie. But I guess our collaboration started because I

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Speaker 2: was considering putting you were always on my mind on

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Speaker 1: So you wanted her to be on that song for

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Speaker 1: your TAKEO Commander, Oh right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'd played it in the studio with my piano player, Peter,

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Speaker 2: and it was beautiful. But I just had a feeling

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Speaker 1: What's it like hanging out with Bobby inspiring.

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Speaker 2: In the way that she had like she had knowledge

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Speaker 1: I don't have any tattoos, but I often feel like

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Speaker 2: I mean, Ray Charles is record is I still stand

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I ever recorded modern songs at country music that

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Wow, that's surprising you hear you say

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely what makes you.

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Speaker 2: He can play the shit out of it and it

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, damn. And to do that and being black,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I understand. My first concert was a knockoff

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Speaker 1: It wasn't new edition, No new aeddition was dope.

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Speaker 1: Was it difficult to get her to consider kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that was that was really easy. And

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Speaker 2: I think too it we'd played together some in the past.

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Speaker 2: I was introduced to her first by Mickey Raphael, the

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Speaker 2: What year was this that we recorded?

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Speaker 1: But no, no, no, that that you guys had that

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Speaker 2: This stuff with the clothes and stuff that happened a

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Speaker 1: Wow, do you remember what you guys were wearing when

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Speaker 2: Had to toe black? And I think you know, she

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine, like if that had happened to me

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Speaker 1: Right because she got her kids taken away because she

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they called her all kinds of name, like

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Speaker 2: the churches would barely have her back, damn. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: So that that is that's sort of the mythology around her,

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Speaker 2: I don't blame her, I mean you don't want to,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a fascinating but also kind of a sad story,

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Speaker 2: But like, like I said, she she led with forgiveness,

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Speaker 2: I did it? I got. I'm usually good at over sharing,

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Speaker 2: Nobody will give a shit if you do it in Latin, right, right, right?

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Speaker 1: back with more from Amanda Shires. Who are some of

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Speaker 2: Like an artist but I know I'm not in the

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Speaker 1: So I mean you don't at all feel kinship with

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Speaker 2: I do with some of them, but there's not They's

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Speaker 2: If you won't let me in the club, I don't

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Speaker 1: Do you really feel like they won't let you in

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Speaker 2: Oh? Hell no. You have to be like poised and

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Speaker 2: say the right things, and you have to, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, my cousin did six tours and

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Speaker 2: And among other things, I have no bodily autonomy, and

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Speaker 2: I will talk about it. They won't let you in

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Speaker 1: Wow, how do you square that with you know, working

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Speaker 1: it's ever but it's it's funny. I live in Long Beach, California.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I was walking on the beach the other day.

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Speaker 2: And I saw do you ever run in to give

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Speaker 1: No, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Because I heard he lives there.

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Speaker 1: He lives in Long Beach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah really, wow, Okay that's what I heard. I really

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I love GiB great, great voice. I miss

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Speaker 1: I missed the baritones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's tell him I need If you needs a

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Speaker 1: Will, I will, Okay, lasty teenager like like you know,

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Speaker 1: But it's like everywhere I go now it's country music.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right.

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Speaker 1: It feels like a like a boom time for the genre.

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Speaker 2: You know, in some ways I think there there is

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Speaker 2: that just because there's luckily that the tie we're in.

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00:21:44,716 --> 00:21:48,836
Speaker 2: We can find music other ways than what we're what

437
00:21:48,876 --> 00:21:51,236
Speaker 2: we used to be limited to with just the regular

438
00:21:51,276 --> 00:21:55,636
Speaker 2: old radio. Like now we've got the Internet and hopefully

439
00:21:55,756 --> 00:21:59,076
Speaker 2: the algorithms don't kill everyone. But like they say, people

440
00:21:59,116 --> 00:22:01,236
Speaker 2: over thirty five don't listen to new music. I was

441
00:22:01,236 --> 00:22:04,116
Speaker 2: reading that recently too, But we've got ways that we

442
00:22:04,196 --> 00:22:05,156
Speaker 2: find music, and we.

443
00:22:05,116 --> 00:22:07,676
Speaker 1: Go younger than thirty five, by the way, rarely listen

444
00:22:07,716 --> 00:22:10,476
Speaker 1: to new music too. Like it's it doesn't seem doesn't

445
00:22:10,476 --> 00:22:10,996
Speaker 1: seem that way?

446
00:22:11,116 --> 00:22:13,636
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't, does it. Yeah, But it's cool

447
00:22:13,676 --> 00:22:15,916
Speaker 2: because you can find music now on you know, on

448
00:22:15,996 --> 00:22:19,556
Speaker 2: the many shows you have at your at your streaming

449
00:22:19,596 --> 00:22:23,956
Speaker 2: platforms and your you know, TV shows and all that stuff. Yeah,

450
00:22:24,836 --> 00:22:27,276
Speaker 2: it's a lot of bad music more music that way.

451
00:22:27,796 --> 00:22:32,796
Speaker 1: I watched your video for Bad Behavior and a lot

452
00:22:32,796 --> 00:22:35,676
Speaker 1: of people commenting they discovered your that song in the

453
00:22:35,676 --> 00:22:38,076
Speaker 1: grocery store. Nice.

454
00:22:39,236 --> 00:22:41,796
Speaker 2: Yeah, the politics of sex at the grocery store. That

455
00:22:41,836 --> 00:22:46,076
Speaker 2: sounds nice. I like that. I mean, my daughter discovered

456
00:22:46,116 --> 00:22:53,276
Speaker 2: Christopher Cross at the grocery store really or whatever it is. Yeah,

457
00:22:53,316 --> 00:22:55,276
Speaker 2: she's like I need that on my playlist. It's like

458
00:22:55,356 --> 00:23:01,956
Speaker 2: that and bad Bunny, it's awesome Christ the grocery Store.

459
00:23:03,316 --> 00:23:05,116
Speaker 1: That song, by the way, bad Woman, that's that's an

460
00:23:05,156 --> 00:23:09,876
Speaker 1: incredible bad Woman. That's an incredible song. I got a gangster.

461
00:23:10,836 --> 00:23:12,476
Speaker 2: I mean, let's go, let's go.

462
00:23:13,276 --> 00:23:14,476
Speaker 1: Oh, when did you write that song?

463
00:23:15,676 --> 00:23:18,116
Speaker 2: I think it was I wrote that one on the fly,

464
00:23:18,356 --> 00:23:20,516
Speaker 2: kind of like in a ten day haze of writing.

465
00:23:20,676 --> 00:23:23,596
Speaker 2: Like I like to write a record and then I

466
00:23:23,716 --> 00:23:26,476
Speaker 2: like ten days before, so I get into a frenzy

467
00:23:26,516 --> 00:23:29,196
Speaker 2: of wondering if I have the whole collection, and then

468
00:23:29,236 --> 00:23:32,756
Speaker 2: I'll do one song a day, and then once I'm

469
00:23:32,796 --> 00:23:37,196
Speaker 2: in the studio, I'll sometimes even write too. But my

470
00:23:37,316 --> 00:23:42,876
Speaker 2: friend Lawrence Rothman, who produced my record, they said to me, man,

471
00:23:43,596 --> 00:23:45,716
Speaker 2: they're so awesome. And then when I say something in

472
00:23:45,756 --> 00:23:49,516
Speaker 2: the studio and nobody hears. They have a very low voice.

473
00:23:49,556 --> 00:23:53,196
Speaker 2: So they said, they'll say, she said, could you do this?

474
00:23:53,196 --> 00:23:56,316
Speaker 2: This is my bad impersonation, and then and everybody's like,

475
00:23:56,356 --> 00:24:00,196
Speaker 2: oh shit, yeah, It's like it sounds like the voice

476
00:24:00,196 --> 00:24:03,276
Speaker 2: of God. Their voice. Their voice is so low. They's

477
00:24:03,276 --> 00:24:05,796
Speaker 2: such a tidy, you know, they don't weigh a lot.

478
00:24:06,156 --> 00:24:08,076
Speaker 2: It's just interesting juxtaposition.

479
00:24:09,316 --> 00:24:11,196
Speaker 1: So you you kind of got like a ten day

480
00:24:11,196 --> 00:24:14,516
Speaker 1: writing haze and you always you don't have the right material.

481
00:24:15,156 --> 00:24:20,556
Speaker 2: Yeah, always. And then they sent me this folder of

482
00:24:20,596 --> 00:24:23,436
Speaker 2: what we call randoms. We call randoms now that's just

483
00:24:23,556 --> 00:24:27,996
Speaker 2: basically tracks they've made up where it can be drums

484
00:24:28,076 --> 00:24:32,236
Speaker 2: and sometimes it'll be pianos, sometimes it'll be beat sometimes

485
00:24:32,276 --> 00:24:34,236
Speaker 2: it'll it'll be different stuff. And I just would go

486
00:24:34,276 --> 00:24:36,116
Speaker 2: through and listen to them. And I found that one

487
00:24:36,116 --> 00:24:38,916
Speaker 2: and I really liked it and moved a few measures

488
00:24:38,956 --> 00:24:41,876
Speaker 2: out and in and then had a track and I

489
00:24:41,916 --> 00:24:43,316
Speaker 2: wrote to it, which was the first time I ever

490
00:24:43,356 --> 00:24:45,876
Speaker 2: tried doing that, which was pretty fun.

491
00:24:45,916 --> 00:24:47,596
Speaker 1: Actually you wrote to the track.

492
00:24:48,076 --> 00:24:50,636
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd never done that, and they were they were

493
00:24:50,636 --> 00:24:52,836
Speaker 2: scared to send me a folder of tracks. I was like, well,

494
00:24:52,836 --> 00:24:55,876
Speaker 2: I'll try anything seven or eight times, and so I

495
00:24:55,916 --> 00:25:02,876
Speaker 2: wrote to that once because you know, you know, you

496
00:25:02,916 --> 00:25:05,396
Speaker 2: think you'll learn your lesson, but you usually takes four

497
00:25:05,356 --> 00:25:06,236
Speaker 2: of the one time.

498
00:25:06,996 --> 00:25:07,276
Speaker 1: Yeah.

499
00:25:07,316 --> 00:25:08,436
Speaker 2: It's like but it's like.

500
00:25:08,356 --> 00:25:11,636
Speaker 3: You know, when you try something, like even if you

501
00:25:11,716 --> 00:25:14,796
Speaker 3: did try something out or I don't know, say, I mean,

502
00:25:14,876 --> 00:25:17,476
Speaker 3: how many times have I told myself I was never

503
00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:18,916
Speaker 3: gonna drink whiskey and did it?

504
00:25:18,916 --> 00:25:21,196
Speaker 2: Shit, keep doing it? And then I did it again.

505
00:25:21,276 --> 00:25:23,236
Speaker 2: It's like Okay, I guess it's time number eight.

506
00:25:25,356 --> 00:25:28,436
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. I'm gonna steal that seven or eight times. Yeah.

507
00:25:28,436 --> 00:25:30,556
Speaker 1: What what what about the track like appealed to you?

508
00:25:30,596 --> 00:25:32,916
Speaker 1: Did it immediately resonate with you or did you sort

509
00:25:32,916 --> 00:25:34,996
Speaker 1: of just take it as a as a challenge, like, oh,

510
00:25:35,076 --> 00:25:36,436
Speaker 1: let me just see if I can write to this

511
00:25:36,636 --> 00:25:37,356
Speaker 1: or well.

512
00:25:37,196 --> 00:25:38,996
Speaker 2: It was a folder of them, so I switched through

513
00:25:39,076 --> 00:25:42,796
Speaker 2: them and it was actually I actually wrote a verse

514
00:25:42,836 --> 00:25:44,356
Speaker 2: that I wanted to give you on to sing on,

515
00:25:44,476 --> 00:25:47,276
Speaker 2: but he never responsed my emails because I wanted to

516
00:25:47,276 --> 00:25:50,516
Speaker 2: do a remix. But it's like, come on, man, surely

517
00:25:50,556 --> 00:25:52,836
Speaker 2: you can handle get an email for me. Surely you've

518
00:25:52,836 --> 00:25:54,796
Speaker 2: got three seconds already wrote it. Just go sing it.

519
00:25:54,836 --> 00:25:55,676
Speaker 2: Quit being like that.

520
00:25:56,076 --> 00:25:57,836
Speaker 1: It sounds would have I would be an incredible song

521
00:25:57,876 --> 00:25:59,756
Speaker 1: from the feature on there. And there is a really

522
00:25:59,876 --> 00:26:02,516
Speaker 1: like you know, there is a I guess it's I

523
00:26:02,516 --> 00:26:04,436
Speaker 1: don't know, soulful R and B. There's like a vein

524
00:26:04,516 --> 00:26:07,356
Speaker 1: in there through the whole record of like it's super soulful.

525
00:26:07,396 --> 00:26:11,596
Speaker 1: The whole record is incredibly so thank you. Yeah, and

526
00:26:11,716 --> 00:26:14,556
Speaker 1: really I'm proud of it. Yeah, And it's really like

527
00:26:14,596 --> 00:26:16,756
Speaker 1: I said, like something when I was listening to when

528
00:26:16,756 --> 00:26:20,836
Speaker 1: I've listened to it, it's like, in its way it

529
00:26:20,916 --> 00:26:23,476
Speaker 1: has what resonates with me when I listened to Pok,

530
00:26:23,516 --> 00:26:25,636
Speaker 1: which kind of has this attitude, you know, it as

531
00:26:25,676 --> 00:26:29,076
Speaker 1: like a real strong like I don't give a fuck. Yeah.

532
00:26:29,596 --> 00:26:31,356
Speaker 1: Has that always been a part of your you said

533
00:26:31,356 --> 00:26:33,596
Speaker 1: it's sort of new to your music. Has it always

534
00:26:33,596 --> 00:26:36,996
Speaker 1: been that sort of self assurance and confidence that you

535
00:26:37,036 --> 00:26:37,796
Speaker 1: said is sort of No.

536
00:26:38,036 --> 00:26:40,156
Speaker 2: I used to care more. I used to care more.

537
00:26:40,236 --> 00:26:43,196
Speaker 2: I used to care a lot more. And then I realized,

538
00:26:43,276 --> 00:26:45,236
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not trying to sound jaded or anything,

539
00:26:45,276 --> 00:26:48,396
Speaker 2: but I realized how much people don't actually give a

540
00:26:48,396 --> 00:26:51,436
Speaker 2: shit in return. So the reciprocation is a factor in

541
00:26:51,476 --> 00:26:56,116
Speaker 2: my fuck giving definitely. And also when it comes to

542
00:26:57,116 --> 00:27:00,836
Speaker 2: your art and having had a couple of near death experiences,

543
00:27:01,076 --> 00:27:03,156
Speaker 2: I give less fucks now than I ever did. I'm like,

544
00:27:03,196 --> 00:27:05,196
Speaker 2: I'm making my art and it's going to be my way,

545
00:27:05,676 --> 00:27:07,636
Speaker 2: or you can go ahead and leave because I'm paying

546
00:27:07,676 --> 00:27:08,356
Speaker 2: for the studio.

547
00:27:08,476 --> 00:27:11,836
Speaker 1: Time you had a couple of near death experiences artistically

548
00:27:11,956 --> 00:27:13,476
Speaker 1: or in life.

549
00:27:14,356 --> 00:27:17,356
Speaker 2: In life, I had a ruptured my I didn't rupture

550
00:27:17,356 --> 00:27:21,476
Speaker 2: it by any topic. Pregnancy, that ruptured and then I

551
00:27:21,556 --> 00:27:23,836
Speaker 2: was internally bleeding all that and then my life was

552
00:27:23,836 --> 00:27:27,676
Speaker 2: spared for some reason. And it must be to keep on,

553
00:27:27,916 --> 00:27:31,636
Speaker 2: keep it on into all that. But anyway, then you

554
00:27:31,676 --> 00:27:35,196
Speaker 2: know the me and my mom called the silly ways

555
00:27:35,236 --> 00:27:37,636
Speaker 2: to die, like riding the horse around the swimming pool

556
00:27:37,756 --> 00:27:40,476
Speaker 2: or some she has a horse.

557
00:27:41,116 --> 00:27:41,876
Speaker 1: So does my mom?

558
00:27:42,756 --> 00:27:43,636
Speaker 2: Really awesome.

559
00:27:44,316 --> 00:27:46,076
Speaker 1: I gave a bride and it was terrible.

560
00:27:46,836 --> 00:27:47,156
Speaker 2: Yeah.

561
00:27:47,396 --> 00:27:50,156
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got bucked off and ran over once and

562
00:27:50,156 --> 00:27:50,676
Speaker 1: that was it.

563
00:27:50,716 --> 00:27:53,916
Speaker 2: Man, I got bucked off too, but it was because

564
00:27:53,916 --> 00:27:56,156
Speaker 2: I was trying to do Jesse Jabe stuff like this

565
00:27:56,236 --> 00:27:58,196
Speaker 2: was like just two years ago. I was like, I'm

566
00:27:58,196 --> 00:27:59,996
Speaker 2: gonna pick up my friend and sling around the back,

567
00:28:00,036 --> 00:28:01,516
Speaker 2: and the horse was like, no, the fuck you're not,

568
00:28:01,956 --> 00:28:05,196
Speaker 2: and it bucked us both off. It was incredible. The

569
00:28:05,236 --> 00:28:07,556
Speaker 2: insides of my thighs looked like I looked like I

570
00:28:07,596 --> 00:28:11,316
Speaker 2: had just like took a be with I don't know,

571
00:28:11,396 --> 00:28:12,236
Speaker 2: a bunch of lipstick.

572
00:28:12,356 --> 00:28:14,636
Speaker 1: When you hit the ground for the top of a horse, man,

573
00:28:14,676 --> 00:28:16,836
Speaker 1: it's just that's I don't even know. I'd be punched

574
00:28:16,876 --> 00:28:17,796
Speaker 1: seven to eight times.

575
00:28:18,636 --> 00:28:22,196
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's you feel it everywhere. It's like there's

576
00:28:22,316 --> 00:28:25,156
Speaker 2: nowhere for the shock to absorb except your own bones.

577
00:28:25,316 --> 00:28:28,756
Speaker 1: No, it's it's the gnarliest thing I think I've ever experienced.

578
00:28:29,116 --> 00:28:29,356
Speaker 2: Yeah.

579
00:28:29,476 --> 00:28:32,036
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like this is sort of a new

580
00:28:32,676 --> 00:28:38,236
Speaker 1: addition to your character, personality, and music. It feels like

581
00:28:38,276 --> 00:28:41,996
Speaker 1: there's like this inverse relationship between levels of fuck given

582
00:28:42,356 --> 00:28:47,556
Speaker 1: and your sort of your your popularity seems to Does

583
00:28:47,596 --> 00:28:49,756
Speaker 1: that feel true?

584
00:28:50,676 --> 00:28:53,596
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm very what qualifies as popular?

585
00:28:53,836 --> 00:28:56,516
Speaker 1: Well, it definitely. It feels like you've had a really

586
00:28:56,556 --> 00:28:58,836
Speaker 1: great three four years.

587
00:28:58,996 --> 00:29:01,836
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I don't know. I live in the country,

588
00:29:01,876 --> 00:29:04,076
Speaker 2: so I can't tell if I'm popular or not. It

589
00:29:04,156 --> 00:29:09,316
Speaker 2: I recently deleted Twitter and don't do anything on Instagram like.

590
00:29:09,356 --> 00:29:11,156
Speaker 1: Play of bigger shows, aren't you? I mean, it feels

591
00:29:11,156 --> 00:29:14,036
Speaker 1: like people know you love you these days. No, right,

592
00:29:14,196 --> 00:29:14,916
Speaker 1: I think I.

593
00:29:14,836 --> 00:29:17,796
Speaker 2: Think I might be playing bigger shows. Uh, I think,

594
00:29:17,836 --> 00:29:20,156
Speaker 2: I think so. I haven't really thought about it because

595
00:29:20,196 --> 00:29:22,436
Speaker 2: it was my first four way out after COVID, so

596
00:29:23,556 --> 00:29:25,916
Speaker 2: I had a little bit of shows to make up

597
00:29:25,916 --> 00:29:29,316
Speaker 2: there at the beginning of this record cycle of from

598
00:29:29,356 --> 00:29:32,996
Speaker 2: from COVID. So I think I guess so feels like.

599
00:29:32,956 --> 00:29:37,356
Speaker 1: That be here I hear Howard Stern name check you, you know, I.

600
00:29:37,276 --> 00:29:38,636
Speaker 2: Hear Howard Stern.

601
00:29:38,756 --> 00:29:41,596
Speaker 1: Yeah, all different people. You know. I feel like the

602
00:29:42,276 --> 00:29:44,836
Speaker 1: your music is getting better and better and better. It

603
00:29:45,116 --> 00:29:47,916
Speaker 1: seems artists in the world it feels like there's sometimes

604
00:29:47,956 --> 00:29:50,356
Speaker 1: an energy around them that you can feel from afar

605
00:29:50,596 --> 00:29:53,276
Speaker 1: as a as a fan, as a listener, and it

606
00:29:53,316 --> 00:29:56,396
Speaker 1: certainly feels that way about you. So that's it just

607
00:29:57,396 --> 00:30:01,956
Speaker 1: seems ironic to me that the less you care to care,

608
00:30:02,316 --> 00:30:04,676
Speaker 1: the more that people seem to care.

609
00:30:05,876 --> 00:30:07,996
Speaker 2: Oh right, well, I care about the people that come

610
00:30:08,036 --> 00:30:09,676
Speaker 2: to the show. When I care about the people that

611
00:30:09,716 --> 00:30:13,316
Speaker 2: are actually, you know, supporting the music and believe the

612
00:30:13,356 --> 00:30:15,756
Speaker 2: same things I believe, I care about that a lot.

613
00:30:16,636 --> 00:30:20,076
Speaker 2: That's the part where the reciprocation feels good. It's other

614
00:30:21,436 --> 00:30:25,476
Speaker 2: areas of music that I just don't need to concern

615
00:30:25,556 --> 00:30:28,516
Speaker 2: myself with because I'm just going to keep on making

616
00:30:28,596 --> 00:30:31,916
Speaker 2: music that helps me understand the world better. And if

617
00:30:31,956 --> 00:30:34,436
Speaker 2: it makes me some new friends and fans because it

618
00:30:34,516 --> 00:30:36,876
Speaker 2: helped them, then I feel like I feel like we're

619
00:30:36,916 --> 00:30:37,676
Speaker 2: doing something right.

620
00:30:38,036 --> 00:30:41,716
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we have to take another quick break and

621
00:30:41,756 --> 00:30:44,476
Speaker 1: then we'll be back with more from my conversation with

622
00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:51,836
Speaker 1: Amanda Shires. We're back with the rest of my conversation

623
00:30:52,196 --> 00:30:56,036
Speaker 1: with Amanda Shires. Are you writing new stuff now?

624
00:30:57,156 --> 00:31:01,516
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I've got one that I'm really proud of.

625
00:31:02,156 --> 00:31:04,036
Speaker 2: The second I have a second one that's just kind

626
00:31:04,036 --> 00:31:07,156
Speaker 2: of funny. I've been writing a bunch, but there's there's

627
00:31:07,196 --> 00:31:08,996
Speaker 2: two or three that I'm really excited about.

628
00:31:09,116 --> 00:31:10,316
Speaker 1: It's the one that you're really proud of.

629
00:31:10,836 --> 00:31:13,316
Speaker 2: The one that I'm really proud of is living is

630
00:31:13,356 --> 00:31:16,396
Speaker 2: what I call it, but it's it's super sad. And

631
00:31:16,436 --> 00:31:19,236
Speaker 2: then I have this other one about Las Vegas. And

632
00:31:19,276 --> 00:31:23,236
Speaker 2: then another one that's called the Talking Shires Blues that's

633
00:31:24,156 --> 00:31:25,676
Speaker 2: it's like nine minutes long.

634
00:31:26,076 --> 00:31:26,396
Speaker 1: Wow.

635
00:31:26,796 --> 00:31:30,036
Speaker 2: Wow, I'd like to get it to thirty three minutes

636
00:31:30,116 --> 00:31:31,836
Speaker 2: or thirty five so it could be a whole record,

637
00:31:32,396 --> 00:31:33,156
Speaker 2: just one song.

638
00:31:34,116 --> 00:31:37,676
Speaker 1: Three weeks ago, have my very first Vegas experience. So

639
00:31:38,356 --> 00:31:40,596
Speaker 1: how was it? I got there and I was like, damn,

640
00:31:40,596 --> 00:31:42,236
Speaker 1: I think I'm I think I'm a movie.

641
00:31:43,316 --> 00:31:44,356
Speaker 2: It's so fun.

642
00:31:44,556 --> 00:31:46,756
Speaker 1: It was warm, and all of a sudden, I was like, wait,

643
00:31:46,796 --> 00:31:49,116
Speaker 1: you can drink outside anywhere you want me. I thought

644
00:31:49,156 --> 00:31:50,716
Speaker 1: we were kind of sneaking around with it. You know,

645
00:31:50,756 --> 00:31:54,276
Speaker 1: you can drink outside. There's all kinds of crazy. Just

646
00:31:54,596 --> 00:31:57,756
Speaker 1: there is no sense of shame out there is what

647
00:31:57,836 --> 00:32:00,516
Speaker 1: I both said, and so I love amazing, but I

648
00:32:00,516 --> 00:32:00,996
Speaker 1: beat myself.

649
00:32:01,036 --> 00:32:03,876
Speaker 2: There's all this facade that's beautiful, and there's all this

650
00:32:04,196 --> 00:32:06,476
Speaker 2: fun that you can have. There's some definitely some dark shit.

651
00:32:07,036 --> 00:32:09,956
Speaker 2: It is fun every part of your brain and get

652
00:32:10,036 --> 00:32:10,756
Speaker 2: some kind of action.

653
00:32:11,276 --> 00:32:14,116
Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's it's out of control, but it's it's

654
00:32:14,156 --> 00:32:15,556
Speaker 1: also like I can't. I don't know if I can.

655
00:32:15,716 --> 00:32:17,396
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I trust myself

656
00:32:17,436 --> 00:32:20,356
Speaker 1: back there? Do you play when you go out there?

657
00:32:20,996 --> 00:32:26,116
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I win. Yeah, I'm not that great at

658
00:32:26,116 --> 00:32:28,916
Speaker 2: black jack, but I went at crabs.

659
00:32:28,636 --> 00:32:30,556
Speaker 1: Like you went big or you just like like do

660
00:32:30,596 --> 00:32:31,516
Speaker 1: you are you putting down there?

661
00:32:31,556 --> 00:32:35,636
Speaker 2: I mean I'm winning big. I mean I accumulated as

662
00:32:35,676 --> 00:32:39,116
Speaker 2: I go and kind of progressively get more and more.

663
00:32:39,276 --> 00:32:41,916
Speaker 1: You know, what's the most you've lost gambling?

664
00:32:42,316 --> 00:32:47,436
Speaker 2: Well, I did take my tour float sorry whoever's listening,

665
00:32:47,436 --> 00:32:49,876
Speaker 2: that works for me, and I went and lost it

666
00:32:49,916 --> 00:32:52,036
Speaker 2: all a blackjack and I took a bunch of money

667
00:32:52,436 --> 00:32:55,236
Speaker 2: and won it all back. I took it out of

668
00:32:55,236 --> 00:32:57,156
Speaker 2: my ATM so I could win it. It took me. I

669
00:32:57,276 --> 00:32:59,236
Speaker 2: was late for bus. Call it took me, I don't know,

670
00:32:59,436 --> 00:33:01,156
Speaker 2: like six hours to get it all back. But I

671
00:33:01,196 --> 00:33:02,956
Speaker 2: had to go get it all back on the craps table.

672
00:33:03,596 --> 00:33:08,596
Speaker 2: But the the dealer at Caesar's Palace remembers that day

673
00:33:08,716 --> 00:33:10,556
Speaker 2: what I want and all that money back. It was

674
00:33:10,956 --> 00:33:14,316
Speaker 2: close to four thousand dollars, but I want it all

675
00:33:14,356 --> 00:33:17,516
Speaker 2: back plus like twelve dollars, so I felt good about myself.

676
00:33:17,756 --> 00:33:20,036
Speaker 1: Rewind the story about hold Home. We want the story back.

677
00:33:20,276 --> 00:33:22,196
Speaker 1: So you took your tour floats, you.

678
00:33:22,156 --> 00:33:24,636
Speaker 2: Said, the tour float, the tour cash.

679
00:33:24,676 --> 00:33:27,636
Speaker 1: Tour cash, the cash money for you guys to be

680
00:33:27,756 --> 00:33:30,756
Speaker 1: on tour, to live and move around and do your thing.

681
00:33:31,076 --> 00:33:32,996
Speaker 1: You took that cash and you took.

682
00:33:32,836 --> 00:33:35,396
Speaker 2: It to play black jacket and you let some stuff.

683
00:33:36,396 --> 00:33:37,316
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

684
00:33:37,916 --> 00:33:40,556
Speaker 1: You lost it. You lost and you left four thousand.

685
00:33:41,316 --> 00:33:43,596
Speaker 2: Yes, but I didn't lose it because I went to

686
00:33:43,636 --> 00:33:46,756
Speaker 2: the ATM and got got five hundred dollars back and

687
00:33:46,796 --> 00:33:50,636
Speaker 2: then spent the next rest of the night at the

688
00:33:50,636 --> 00:33:55,876
Speaker 2: craps table getting it back. Yeah, it was, it was.

689
00:33:55,956 --> 00:33:57,996
Speaker 2: It was a thing I'm never going to do again

690
00:33:58,036 --> 00:33:59,756
Speaker 2: because it was. It was. It took a lot of

691
00:33:59,796 --> 00:34:02,796
Speaker 2: work for twelve dollars. In the positive that I left with.

692
00:34:03,636 --> 00:34:09,356
Speaker 2: That was like a whole day's work for twelve dollars.

693
00:34:09,796 --> 00:34:11,756
Speaker 2: You know. I was like, I was like, well I

694
00:34:11,796 --> 00:34:14,116
Speaker 2: lost that at blackjack. Well maybe if I just try hard,

695
00:34:14,156 --> 00:34:15,996
Speaker 2: I could. That's the number one thing you should never

696
00:34:16,036 --> 00:34:17,676
Speaker 2: do is just think that you could win it back.

697
00:34:17,716 --> 00:34:19,716
Speaker 2: You should never think that. Go in there planning to lose,

698
00:34:19,716 --> 00:34:21,956
Speaker 2: which you want to lose, and that's all. Don't take

699
00:34:21,996 --> 00:34:23,076
Speaker 2: the tour money.

700
00:34:22,836 --> 00:34:26,116
Speaker 1: And you and the guy the dealer still remembers, Oh

701
00:34:26,116 --> 00:34:28,556
Speaker 1: he still remembers. Yeah, you've seen him since.

702
00:34:29,516 --> 00:34:32,236
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've all been working there thirty five forty years

703
00:34:32,236 --> 00:34:34,396
Speaker 2: and they remember that. And then one night I got

704
00:34:34,476 --> 00:34:37,276
Speaker 2: kicked out of the Bolaggio because they thought what I

705
00:34:37,316 --> 00:34:39,316
Speaker 2: was wearing was not a shirt. And I was like,

706
00:34:39,836 --> 00:34:43,356
Speaker 2: your firstly, your suit and your title match. Nextly, this

707
00:34:43,556 --> 00:34:45,916
Speaker 2: is sold as a shirt. It looks like a brawlett, yes,

708
00:34:46,036 --> 00:34:47,596
Speaker 2: but it's a shirt and I was wearing a sheer

709
00:34:47,636 --> 00:34:50,156
Speaker 2: top over it. So I got kicked out of the Bolaggio.

710
00:34:50,236 --> 00:34:52,356
Speaker 2: That I threw a fit about how they were uh

711
00:34:52,836 --> 00:34:55,236
Speaker 2: just you know, you know dress codes. What they are

712
00:34:55,436 --> 00:34:58,476
Speaker 2: is that they're just not fair. They're meant to get

713
00:34:59,036 --> 00:35:01,156
Speaker 2: like be away out get to kick people out of

714
00:35:01,196 --> 00:35:05,076
Speaker 2: things anyway. So I went to Caesar's Palace where I

715
00:35:05,116 --> 00:35:09,596
Speaker 2: made my friends, and that night I I won two

716
00:35:09,636 --> 00:35:11,676
Speaker 2: thousand dollars and they were the same dealers.

717
00:35:12,036 --> 00:35:12,756
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

718
00:35:13,716 --> 00:35:17,956
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the most I've ever won two thousand, or

719
00:35:17,956 --> 00:35:19,636
Speaker 2: maybe it was that it was three thousand because I

720
00:35:19,636 --> 00:35:22,356
Speaker 2: had to win my keyboard players thousand dollars back for

721
00:35:22,436 --> 00:35:24,876
Speaker 2: him because he lost his.

722
00:35:25,236 --> 00:35:31,156
Speaker 1: I was like, doun't I got to Vegas song? It

723
00:35:31,196 --> 00:35:32,396
Speaker 1: sounds like this is your place.

724
00:35:33,396 --> 00:35:35,316
Speaker 2: I mean, I like the craps tables.

725
00:35:35,556 --> 00:35:37,436
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's going to be my place from now.

726
00:35:38,196 --> 00:35:39,476
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely.

727
00:35:39,596 --> 00:35:40,196
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't know.

728
00:35:40,636 --> 00:35:43,156
Speaker 2: And they have great shows. Did you go to any shows?

729
00:35:43,236 --> 00:35:44,996
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw. I saw. The whole reason we went

730
00:35:45,036 --> 00:35:47,916
Speaker 1: out there is I was to go see Usher.

731
00:35:48,156 --> 00:35:51,556
Speaker 2: So oh shit, that's awesome. Did you see his documentary

732
00:35:51,716 --> 00:35:52,636
Speaker 2: tour movie?

733
00:35:53,116 --> 00:35:55,396
Speaker 1: No, I didn't know he had a documentary on this tour.

734
00:35:56,076 --> 00:35:58,076
Speaker 2: It's like maybe it's like not this tour. It was

735
00:35:58,116 --> 00:36:00,116
Speaker 2: like one of his older ones where he does like

736
00:36:00,476 --> 00:36:04,676
Speaker 2: I have a DVD collection of concert DVDs like Ushers

737
00:36:04,716 --> 00:36:07,556
Speaker 2: one of them, and it like his dance moves and

738
00:36:07,716 --> 00:36:10,876
Speaker 2: like he does his dancing and the shows, and then

739
00:36:11,236 --> 00:36:13,716
Speaker 2: does some behind the scenes stuff, like he was late

740
00:36:13,756 --> 00:36:15,636
Speaker 2: to a show one time because he wanted to spend

741
00:36:16,156 --> 00:36:19,036
Speaker 2: eight hours at the mall. He loves the mall. I

742
00:36:19,116 --> 00:36:21,356
Speaker 2: like knowing little details about things, the people.

743
00:36:21,436 --> 00:36:23,876
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, you're knowing these details about people's lives.

744
00:36:24,236 --> 00:36:26,236
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a music fan.

745
00:36:26,636 --> 00:36:28,316
Speaker 1: He likes to spend time with the mall. I didn't

746
00:36:28,356 --> 00:36:28,916
Speaker 1: know that about us.

747
00:36:28,996 --> 00:36:30,436
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he likes the mall.

748
00:36:30,836 --> 00:36:34,276
Speaker 1: What else is in your your DVD collection, your music collection?

749
00:36:35,756 --> 00:36:37,916
Speaker 2: Destiny's Child at the Fox Atlanta.

750
00:36:38,396 --> 00:36:39,636
Speaker 1: Wow, it was probably a great one.

751
00:36:39,676 --> 00:36:44,956
Speaker 2: That's really, really, really good. And it's then I have

752
00:36:45,076 --> 00:36:47,876
Speaker 2: the her other one where she has the all the

753
00:36:47,956 --> 00:36:51,436
Speaker 2: ladies playing all the instruments. You know, she was very

754
00:36:52,316 --> 00:36:54,316
Speaker 2: you know, thinking of things way before I even had

755
00:36:54,316 --> 00:36:57,796
Speaker 2: thoughts of things. But that one in Atlanta, that concert

756
00:36:57,956 --> 00:37:00,516
Speaker 2: is so good. Yeah. I've watched that one a whole lot,

757
00:37:00,716 --> 00:37:03,516
Speaker 2: probably too much. I'm glad it still works. I also

758
00:37:03,596 --> 00:37:07,396
Speaker 2: like comedy. Do you do you know that Seth Galifianakis

759
00:37:07,476 --> 00:37:08,516
Speaker 2: live at the Purple Onion?

760
00:37:09,516 --> 00:37:11,236
Speaker 1: I think I've heard of that, but I don't think

761
00:37:11,236 --> 00:37:11,716
Speaker 1: i've seen it.

762
00:37:11,716 --> 00:37:12,596
Speaker 2: It's really funny.

763
00:37:12,876 --> 00:37:17,596
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not that bit. It's like a small place, right, Yeah, yeah.

764
00:37:17,436 --> 00:37:19,756
Speaker 2: The purple and then he's got a piano that he plays.

765
00:37:19,796 --> 00:37:21,196
Speaker 2: It's really funny. I really like that.

766
00:37:21,436 --> 00:37:22,956
Speaker 1: Yeah, people have told me about that. I need to

767
00:37:22,996 --> 00:37:26,116
Speaker 1: see that. He's a character, that guy. I see him

768
00:37:26,116 --> 00:37:27,596
Speaker 1: around Venice sometimes.

769
00:37:27,196 --> 00:37:30,556
Speaker 2: And he's yeah, oh really that's awesome, just Chris. I

770
00:37:30,596 --> 00:37:32,196
Speaker 2: would like to run into him in Venice.

771
00:37:32,476 --> 00:37:34,996
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a good place to run it. Yeah,

772
00:37:35,036 --> 00:37:37,716
Speaker 1: it's about where i'd imagine running into him. What do

773
00:37:37,716 --> 00:37:39,436
Speaker 1: you spend most of your time listening to? Do you

774
00:37:39,476 --> 00:37:41,196
Speaker 1: listen to music a lot time?

775
00:37:41,196 --> 00:37:44,036
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, like not when I'm writing, but I listened

776
00:37:44,036 --> 00:37:46,716
Speaker 2: to music a whole lot. I mean, I'm still stuck

777
00:37:46,756 --> 00:37:49,196
Speaker 2: on the Scissor record. I got that. It finally came

778
00:37:49,196 --> 00:37:52,476
Speaker 2: to the male vinyl and the seventy six songs that

779
00:37:52,676 --> 00:37:55,036
Speaker 2: Tom Petty and then released from Live at the Film

780
00:37:55,116 --> 00:37:55,876
Speaker 2: or Auditorium.

781
00:37:56,116 --> 00:37:59,956
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like an a mission like Scissor hasn't quite

782
00:38:00,236 --> 00:38:01,596
Speaker 1: it's been years now. I mean, I don't know, maybe

783
00:38:01,636 --> 00:38:04,876
Speaker 1: this will never happen, but okay, it's hit for me yet.

784
00:38:05,636 --> 00:38:08,236
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's this song, let me get my record

785
00:38:08,276 --> 00:38:11,716
Speaker 2: or quick so I can tell you. Yeah, this is

786
00:38:11,756 --> 00:38:17,716
Speaker 2: really good. Ray Charles at to Newport. That record playing

787
00:38:17,756 --> 00:38:21,316
Speaker 2: with the Horn, That one's so good. That's a rare one.

788
00:38:21,476 --> 00:38:22,956
Speaker 1: I don't have that on vinyl or nothing, but I

789
00:38:23,076 --> 00:38:24,556
Speaker 1: listened to that all the time. That's great.

790
00:38:24,676 --> 00:38:27,356
Speaker 2: It's you gotta find. It's hard to find, but you could.

791
00:38:27,356 --> 00:38:31,476
Speaker 2: The one that she has is if to start, If

792
00:38:31,476 --> 00:38:33,956
Speaker 2: you need to start first, this is awesome record cover

793
00:38:35,236 --> 00:38:40,516
Speaker 2: and there's on side three it says nobody gets Me.

794
00:38:40,716 --> 00:38:42,996
Speaker 2: That's good, and then you know the other songs are

795
00:38:42,996 --> 00:38:44,836
Speaker 2: really good. She's a fantastic writer.

796
00:38:45,876 --> 00:38:47,556
Speaker 1: Friend helped write a lot of that record too.

797
00:38:47,676 --> 00:38:50,676
Speaker 2: Tell your friend, Tell your friend, I'm interested in writing

798
00:38:50,716 --> 00:38:54,316
Speaker 2: with that friend. Yeah, why not. I'm interested as hell

799
00:38:54,396 --> 00:38:56,316
Speaker 2: this This song's are fantastic.

800
00:38:56,956 --> 00:38:59,356
Speaker 1: I'll text them as soon as we text him.

801
00:38:59,836 --> 00:39:02,676
Speaker 2: I but that song Nobody Gets Me. I think that's

802
00:39:02,676 --> 00:39:05,836
Speaker 2: a good place to start because you know it's it's soulful.

803
00:39:05,876 --> 00:39:08,516
Speaker 2: They don't usually lead with the soulful tracks when they're

804
00:39:08,596 --> 00:39:11,036
Speaker 2: releasing a record, you know, they tend to put the

805
00:39:11,076 --> 00:39:12,076
Speaker 2: other types out there.

806
00:39:12,236 --> 00:39:14,716
Speaker 1: Yeah first, that's why I like, That's why, that's why

807
00:39:14,876 --> 00:39:16,636
Speaker 1: to bring it back. Because I'm a master at what

808
00:39:16,676 --> 00:39:21,716
Speaker 1: I do. I'm just joking. Take it like a man,

809
00:39:22,356 --> 00:39:26,356
Speaker 1: because it leads me Hot for the Dove. It leads

810
00:39:26,356 --> 00:39:28,236
Speaker 1: off and it's just soulful the whole way through Man

811
00:39:28,676 --> 00:39:33,476
Speaker 1: and it ends the last track My Own Galaxy is

812
00:39:33,476 --> 00:39:36,556
Speaker 1: also an incredible song, and I love it also so

813
00:39:36,636 --> 00:39:38,076
Speaker 1: full its way, but then it ends like it's like

814
00:39:38,116 --> 00:39:41,516
Speaker 1: a heater that guitar solo into your violin, into your fiddle.

815
00:39:41,556 --> 00:39:42,956
Speaker 1: I don't know what you want to call it.

816
00:39:43,076 --> 00:39:45,356
Speaker 2: Either way, it's a violin when you're selling it in

817
00:39:45,396 --> 00:39:46,196
Speaker 2: a fiddle, when you're.

818
00:39:46,076 --> 00:39:51,076
Speaker 1: Buying it violent, it's incredible. And then if you listen

819
00:39:51,116 --> 00:39:54,556
Speaker 1: to that motherfucker, cause I'm laying my turntable's broken, so

820
00:39:54,596 --> 00:39:56,916
Speaker 1: I just do almost all listening on streaming now. But

821
00:39:56,956 --> 00:40:00,036
Speaker 1: if you listen to it with like the record repeating

822
00:40:00,596 --> 00:40:02,956
Speaker 1: and you know, the little the transition from the end

823
00:40:02,996 --> 00:40:06,076
Speaker 1: of My Own Galaxy back into Hawk for the Dove

824
00:40:06,196 --> 00:40:06,756
Speaker 1: is that's a great.

825
00:40:06,876 --> 00:40:09,916
Speaker 2: Somebody's doing it right. I always wonder if somebody's doing

826
00:40:09,956 --> 00:40:10,316
Speaker 2: it right.

827
00:40:10,556 --> 00:40:13,556
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Are you going to continue working with

828
00:40:14,156 --> 00:40:14,956
Speaker 1: Lawrence on that?

829
00:40:15,996 --> 00:40:19,036
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I feel like we still have much

830
00:40:19,156 --> 00:40:24,596
Speaker 2: to to see about in the music musical world, you know,

831
00:40:24,636 --> 00:40:28,196
Speaker 2: I think we work well together and all that. But yeah,

832
00:40:28,756 --> 00:40:31,196
Speaker 2: if they want to, I bet why wouldn't they want to?

833
00:40:31,476 --> 00:40:34,916
Speaker 1: Yeah, Christmas record?

834
00:40:36,076 --> 00:40:38,276
Speaker 2: Yeah, what else are they going to do better?

835
00:40:38,596 --> 00:40:41,596
Speaker 1: Yeah? You are? And you also have the high women going.

836
00:40:41,716 --> 00:40:45,236
Speaker 1: Still does that still feel like? Does that still feel fun? And?

837
00:40:45,356 --> 00:40:48,596
Speaker 2: Oh that one's real fun? It kind of During COVID

838
00:40:48,636 --> 00:40:51,076
Speaker 2: we of course couldn't play it. Our shows got canceled.

839
00:40:51,076 --> 00:40:54,396
Speaker 2: Then afterwards everybody's doing their own thing. But we played

840
00:40:54,396 --> 00:40:57,996
Speaker 2: at the Gorge recently and Maren Morris, my friend, she

841
00:40:58,116 --> 00:41:00,556
Speaker 2: said that we were making a new record, so we

842
00:41:00,596 --> 00:41:01,476
Speaker 2: will be doing that.

843
00:41:01,636 --> 00:41:02,876
Speaker 1: You guys are gonna make a new record.

844
00:41:03,236 --> 00:41:05,836
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we are. We talked about that. She brought

845
00:41:05,836 --> 00:41:07,636
Speaker 2: it up on stage this time. It wasn't me that

846
00:41:07,716 --> 00:41:09,356
Speaker 2: let the cat on the bag. So I it's like,

847
00:41:09,356 --> 00:41:13,276
Speaker 2: good job not sharing too much shows because I've done

848
00:41:13,316 --> 00:41:17,596
Speaker 2: that before with that group and it was over spoke

849
00:41:17,636 --> 00:41:18,756
Speaker 2: too soon and.

850
00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:20,076
Speaker 1: Well that's all your friends, right, So is it like

851
00:41:20,116 --> 00:41:23,276
Speaker 1: if you do mess up, it's all it's all love, right,

852
00:41:22,956 --> 00:41:23,876
Speaker 1: it's all love.

853
00:41:23,996 --> 00:41:26,556
Speaker 2: No, it's all love, it's all love. We're we're we

854
00:41:26,676 --> 00:41:29,076
Speaker 2: used to say we got married first, then learned each

855
00:41:29,116 --> 00:41:32,636
Speaker 2: other and now now are now we know each other

856
00:41:32,676 --> 00:41:36,436
Speaker 2: really well and it's like perfect less nerve wracking.

857
00:41:37,156 --> 00:41:40,196
Speaker 1: Do you have songs that you've written specifically for that project?

858
00:41:40,516 --> 00:41:40,916
Speaker 2: I do?

859
00:41:41,196 --> 00:41:41,596
Speaker 1: I do.

860
00:41:41,996 --> 00:41:45,756
Speaker 2: Our plan is to continue sharing our songs with each

861
00:41:45,756 --> 00:41:49,436
Speaker 2: other and you know, find a date to start recording

862
00:41:49,516 --> 00:41:52,996
Speaker 2: and may the best song win again? Was how we

863
00:41:53,036 --> 00:41:53,836
Speaker 2: did it last time?

864
00:41:54,196 --> 00:41:56,796
Speaker 1: How do you then? Okay, so hold on? So obviously

865
00:41:57,116 --> 00:42:00,676
Speaker 1: four of y'all incredible artists on your own coming together

866
00:42:00,716 --> 00:42:04,396
Speaker 1: do the high women when you bringing a song to

867
00:42:04,876 --> 00:42:07,316
Speaker 1: hopefully get them to pick up? Like, how do you

868
00:42:07,756 --> 00:42:11,356
Speaker 1: balance keeping songs that you love for your own sort

869
00:42:11,356 --> 00:42:13,276
Speaker 1: of record and how knowing that you sort of need

870
00:42:13,316 --> 00:42:17,876
Speaker 1: to bring sort of the best the best to that

871
00:42:17,956 --> 00:42:18,516
Speaker 1: group of.

872
00:42:19,276 --> 00:42:21,836
Speaker 2: To me, in my mind, I'm a little bit it's

873
00:42:21,836 --> 00:42:24,836
Speaker 2: easier for me to compartmentalize the two things for my

874
00:42:24,956 --> 00:42:28,876
Speaker 2: own work. It's it's it's well, while the Highwayman was

875
00:42:28,916 --> 00:42:32,036
Speaker 2: my idea, yes, but it's the subject matter of that

876
00:42:32,196 --> 00:42:35,436
Speaker 2: is more about. I say that we'll always be playing

877
00:42:35,436 --> 00:42:37,756
Speaker 2: and singing as long as there's a reason and there

878
00:42:37,796 --> 00:42:40,356
Speaker 2: are reasons still for that band to go on, and

879
00:42:40,396 --> 00:42:43,436
Speaker 2: that's for you know, to keep widening the path for

880
00:42:44,756 --> 00:42:49,516
Speaker 2: all people women and everybody else in country music to

881
00:42:49,996 --> 00:42:55,516
Speaker 2: tell stories and you know, talk about everything from just

882
00:42:55,556 --> 00:42:57,116
Speaker 2: the way that we would like to see the world

883
00:42:57,196 --> 00:43:00,196
Speaker 2: different basically, and then in our own personal stuff. Yeah,

884
00:43:00,196 --> 00:43:03,916
Speaker 2: we could do that, but to me, it feels easier

885
00:43:04,156 --> 00:43:08,436
Speaker 2: to do in a group scenario sing about things that

886
00:43:08,476 --> 00:43:11,876
Speaker 2: are you know, the injustices of the world or the

887
00:43:11,916 --> 00:43:14,636
Speaker 2: ways that not everybody's equal in in a group, it

888
00:43:14,676 --> 00:43:17,236
Speaker 2: feels more comfortable for me and more safe to do

889
00:43:17,956 --> 00:43:20,516
Speaker 2: to make it feel more like a gang and solo.

890
00:43:20,836 --> 00:43:23,196
Speaker 2: I've done a couple of things like that, and it's

891
00:43:23,356 --> 00:43:26,796
Speaker 2: just it's just it's hard because you have you know,

892
00:43:26,996 --> 00:43:30,996
Speaker 2: it's just you singing that song about abortion. There's you

893
00:43:31,156 --> 00:43:33,916
Speaker 2: singing that by yourself up on stage. And I just

894
00:43:34,156 --> 00:43:36,676
Speaker 2: like the that it feels safer to do with with

895
00:43:36,916 --> 00:43:38,996
Speaker 2: other folks on stage that feel the same way as

896
00:43:38,996 --> 00:43:41,476
Speaker 2: you do. And then with my own music too. I

897
00:43:41,476 --> 00:43:44,596
Speaker 2: don't wanna be singing all those songs all the time,

898
00:43:45,276 --> 00:43:46,996
Speaker 2: and I want to sing songs and make them up

899
00:43:47,036 --> 00:43:48,996
Speaker 2: and make the world change. I don't wanna be l

900
00:43:49,236 --> 00:43:52,156
Speaker 2: living these songs and seeing how slow it is every

901
00:43:52,236 --> 00:43:53,916
Speaker 2: day that that get me down at a bog. So

902
00:43:53,916 --> 00:43:57,436
Speaker 2: I have other things I want to explore, either via

903
00:43:57,516 --> 00:44:00,876
Speaker 2: my own self and stories or the stories that other

904
00:44:00,916 --> 00:44:04,276
Speaker 2: people tell me within their you know, life s ups

905
00:44:04,316 --> 00:44:08,956
Speaker 2: and downs, woes and whatever. I don't really write joyful songs,

906
00:44:09,196 --> 00:44:11,996
Speaker 2: so just be dirges, Amanda Shires and her dirges.

907
00:44:12,716 --> 00:44:14,556
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I mean,

908
00:44:15,236 --> 00:44:17,996
Speaker 1: but you know, I guess something about it. Like Neil

909
00:44:18,036 --> 00:44:19,796
Speaker 1: Young Southern Man is kind of a dirge, but it

910
00:44:19,796 --> 00:44:22,876
Speaker 1: also is like, yeah, gets me going, you know, at

911
00:44:22,916 --> 00:44:26,276
Speaker 1: the same time, so can be it's not like you know,

912
00:44:26,396 --> 00:44:29,756
Speaker 1: it can be both the dirge and sort of not

913
00:44:29,756 --> 00:44:32,636
Speaker 1: necessarily down because I wouldn't classify I wouldn't classified records

914
00:44:32,636 --> 00:44:35,236
Speaker 1: as downers or like, you know, anything makes me feel

915
00:44:35,596 --> 00:44:37,316
Speaker 1: doubt that's true.

916
00:44:37,356 --> 00:44:40,476
Speaker 2: There aren't that. It's a You're right, Do you.

917
00:44:40,476 --> 00:44:42,956
Speaker 1: Feel like you're still exploring the same themes as take

918
00:44:42,956 --> 00:44:43,476
Speaker 1: it like a man?

919
00:44:43,636 --> 00:44:46,596
Speaker 2: Is that there some of them? I do. I do

920
00:44:46,756 --> 00:44:50,116
Speaker 2: still think there's there's there's more to say about the

921
00:44:50,236 --> 00:44:54,076
Speaker 2: nature of being a person that's multi dimensional. I guess.

922
00:44:55,316 --> 00:44:57,356
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I just do. I just do

923
00:44:57,436 --> 00:45:00,636
Speaker 2: my best and we'll see what happens.

924
00:45:01,716 --> 00:45:03,916
Speaker 1: You certainly do contain multitudes and the thing. I mean,

925
00:45:04,036 --> 00:45:07,076
Speaker 1: my own galaxy. That that that stuff you talk about. About.

926
00:45:07,156 --> 00:45:11,076
Speaker 1: You know, it's like the position of It's like I

927
00:45:11,156 --> 00:45:16,076
Speaker 1: both you know, am doing the dishes and doing the

928
00:45:16,076 --> 00:45:19,756
Speaker 1: grocery list and yeah, cooking up dinner and blah blah blah.

929
00:45:19,876 --> 00:45:21,876
Speaker 1: But also it's like, you know, there's.

930
00:45:22,036 --> 00:45:24,556
Speaker 2: The whole nother me, or the dimension of.

931
00:45:24,516 --> 00:45:30,196
Speaker 1: You beyond the domestic stuff that parenting, you know, and

932
00:45:30,396 --> 00:45:32,956
Speaker 1: marriage and family brings.

933
00:45:32,716 --> 00:45:35,236
Speaker 2: And yeah, exactly that.

934
00:45:35,596 --> 00:45:37,676
Speaker 1: I can't say I experienced life the exact same way

935
00:45:37,716 --> 00:45:41,436
Speaker 1: as you obviously, but as a married person with kids,

936
00:45:42,316 --> 00:45:45,356
Speaker 1: that does resonate with me, like that need, that feeling

937
00:45:45,396 --> 00:45:47,796
Speaker 1: of like man, I am like fuck, I am too

938
00:45:48,916 --> 00:45:51,836
Speaker 1: people existing at once, and how do I how do

939
00:45:51,876 --> 00:45:55,756
Speaker 1: I saciate both things and honorable things? You know, that's

940
00:45:55,796 --> 00:45:58,556
Speaker 1: a tough, true, it is true thing to figure out.

941
00:45:58,556 --> 00:45:59,876
Speaker 1: It's a tough balance to figure out.

942
00:45:59,916 --> 00:46:01,836
Speaker 2: And then you do go to Vegas and you're like, damn,

943
00:46:01,836 --> 00:46:05,276
Speaker 2: I missed my kid. How am I supposed to have

944
00:46:05,316 --> 00:46:05,836
Speaker 2: any fun?

945
00:46:06,956 --> 00:46:08,996
Speaker 1: That's always the damn catch twenty two? You can't wait

946
00:46:09,036 --> 00:46:11,076
Speaker 1: to get away, you plan it, you get away and

947
00:46:11,196 --> 00:46:13,316
Speaker 1: use pine for your kids.

948
00:46:13,396 --> 00:46:14,756
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, really sure?

949
00:46:15,436 --> 00:46:22,996
Speaker 1: Well cool, thank you for chatting No thank you. Thanks

950
00:46:22,996 --> 00:46:25,196
Speaker 1: Amanda Shires for the music and for talking to a

951
00:46:25,276 --> 00:46:28,796
Speaker 1: song Broken Record. You can hear our favorite songs from Amanda,

952
00:46:28,916 --> 00:46:31,356
Speaker 1: as well as her latest album Take It Like a Man,

953
00:46:31,476 --> 00:46:34,396
Speaker 1: and her album with Bobby Nelson called Loving You on

954
00:46:34,436 --> 00:46:37,756
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