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Speaker 2: So we are going to catch up with Albert Breer
Speaker 2: here coming up in about twenty minutes from now, because
Speaker 2: you know, he had an article written about Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2: Maybe there are people he's talked to around the NFL
Speaker 2: maybe don't have him, you know, high up there on
Speaker 2: their list because of the tools and the traits and
Speaker 2: all that stuff. There's also this other story that's out
Speaker 2: there where, according to Mike Florio Pro Football Talk, that
Speaker 2: the NFL may extend invitations to the draft for players
Speaker 2: who are projected to be selected later in the three
Speaker 2: day process. So that means it's not just the first
Speaker 2: round guys or a Will Levis who decides, you know what,
Speaker 2: even though I'm going to go Day two, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and bail and get the hell on
Speaker 2: out of here. It's going to be everybody else in
Speaker 2: the draft potentially getting invites to go ahead and fill
Speaker 2: this whole thing out, Which why wouldn't you, Yeah, like,
Speaker 2: if this is a one, once in a lifetime opportunity,
Speaker 2: why not open it up and let everybody share, even
Speaker 2: if they're not a Day one pick and they go
Speaker 2: round two to three, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: If you've got the room, why not make it happen.
Speaker 4: And this was all based on they are having a
Speaker 4: hard time getting more people to want to go to
Speaker 4: the draft.
Speaker 5: Is that in essence what it is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because more and more people are just like, I'll
Speaker 3: just do it at home, do my own.
Speaker 4: Thing, yeah, which, okay, so let me just peel back
Speaker 4: the curtains. I still stand by this, and this is
Speaker 4: not a knock on Green Bay, Wisconsin or any other
Speaker 4: city that's hosted the Draft. By the way, New York's
Speaker 4: different though, all right, folks like it's New York. There's
Speaker 4: something to that. There's certain cities that kind of have
Speaker 4: that aura about it. However, you want to put it,
Speaker 4: no different than when we had the Super Bowl Las
Speaker 4: Vegas and we walked away from that, everyone goes, this
Speaker 4: wouldn't be a bad sight to just have the Super
Speaker 4: Bowl here every year, Like I think everyone would be
Speaker 4: excited about that. That was kind of the draft that
Speaker 4: used to be in New York and when you were invited,
Speaker 4: when you went, it was one of the coolest experiences,
Speaker 4: one of the best weeks things that you the way
Speaker 4: you were able to impact, you know, young kids' lives,
Speaker 4: even doing some some different things too, and meeting people
Speaker 4: around the NFL. The entire thing was awesome. Since they've
Speaker 4: moved it around, though, to me, it's it's lost a
Speaker 4: bit of its luster and if you want me to
Speaker 4: really peel back the curtain. One of the ways, and
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why maybe more guys used to
Speaker 4: go to New York and like to get to New
Speaker 4: York was because a lot of these companies that are
Speaker 4: spending marketing dollars on these draft prospects were able to
Speaker 4: do media tours. It's the number one media market, So
Speaker 4: players would go ahead of time. Even players who would
Speaker 4: choose not to sometimes go to the draft or maybe
Speaker 4: they weren't invited.
Speaker 5: They would still go to New York.
Speaker 4: You would go through a bunch of you know, different
Speaker 4: You could be sitting at a conference room doing a
Speaker 4: ton of different radio interviews. You could be going to
Speaker 4: different radio studios, going to different TV shows and places
Speaker 4: you'd go to promote whatever product it is or brand
Speaker 4: that you're promoting. That was kind of part of it,
Speaker 4: and it got looped in as part of it. So
Speaker 4: you had a financial incentive to go, and that was
Speaker 4: back before NIL and so not to get into weeds
Speaker 4: on this, but LaVar we kind of talked about this yesterday, right,
Speaker 4: and my theory with Petros was, and even in regards
Speaker 4: to kind of the Nico situation in his family, was
Speaker 4: that's all some of these kids know, you know, Jonas,
Speaker 4: Forty states now allow kids in high school to be
Speaker 4: paid in IL. So if you really think about it,
Speaker 4: when parents have kids who show promise in junior high,
Speaker 4: they're already thinking dollar signs when they get to high school.
Speaker 4: That's how crazy this whole process has become. So there's
Speaker 4: representation for high school kids. So if you look at
Speaker 4: it from that standpoint and you really think about this,
Speaker 4: For example, if you go back to the twenty twenty
Speaker 4: three high school QB class going into college, this is
Speaker 4: the top eight quarterbacks Arch Manning, Nico Iamaliava, Dante Moore, Jackson, Arnold,
Speaker 4: Malachi Nelson, Jaden Reshada, Aiden Hiles, Austin Mack. Every single
Speaker 4: one but Arch Manning has transferred. And Arch probably could
Speaker 4: have right like that was there for him. But in
Speaker 4: most cases there was probably some sort of financial incentive
Speaker 4: to end up to go somewhere else based on where
Speaker 4: some of these top quarterbacks went to and but what
Speaker 4: was opportunity to But it goes to show you like
Speaker 4: that's kind of the business of this. And so these
Speaker 4: generations now that are coming through high school to college,
Speaker 4: college to the NFL, you have to incentivize them. Like
Speaker 4: the NFL brought me in to consult after my draft
Speaker 4: day experience, like, hey, what can we do to bring
Speaker 4: more guys here.
Speaker 5: We're having a hard time doing this.
Speaker 4: This is back in like two thousand and nine, twenty
Speaker 4: ten and I said to him back then, I go,
Speaker 4: you need to create opportunities to pay them to be there.
Speaker 4: And that's just the truth. As much as it's a
Speaker 4: great experience, these kids nowadays they can stay at home
Speaker 4: because they can make money off it. They can kind
Speaker 4: of sell it as a live TV show or reality
Speaker 4: TV show if you will, because that's what the NFL
Speaker 4: is doing. They're profiting off it. And so if they're
Speaker 4: not paying these kids to be a part of their
Speaker 4: reality TV show, which is the Draft, why not try
Speaker 4: to stay at home do it yourself. At least you're
Speaker 4: able to get something from it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: I could see both sides of it.
Speaker 6: Moving it around, trying to get exposure into different markets,
Speaker 6: create some excitement in the different markets of where the
Speaker 6: teams are. But I do think that there is something
Speaker 6: about establishing a destination, and if you're moving the destination,
Speaker 6: I don't know that it has as much appeal. If
Speaker 6: you had continued to build off of what you were
Speaker 6: doing at Radio City, and you know Madison Square Garden
Speaker 6: and how that all works, and you know the pageantry
Speaker 6: of it and the history of it that's connected to it,
Speaker 6: maybe maybe this isn't the situation or the scenario that's
Speaker 6: being discussed. I really think that the longevity of success
Speaker 6: that was therefore the NFL Draft, before all of this
Speaker 6: became a thing, was based upon those very those very elements.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you can recall how the draft was marketed,
Speaker 6: I mean, just seeing the different players and players that
Speaker 6: we grew up idolizing and were our heroes, and showing
Speaker 6: that moment of when they got the call in the
Speaker 6: green room and what that looked like, and putting the
Speaker 6: hat on and hugging your family and dapping up your
Speaker 6: agent or whatever it may be, and then going out
Speaker 6: on on to the stage. I mean, and for what
Speaker 6: it's worth, hugging the commissioner did not start with Roger Goodell.
Speaker 6: By the way, it's like this whole thing about Roger Goodell.
Speaker 6: The first person, I guess Gerald McCoy is credited would
Speaker 6: being the one who started the trend of hugging the
Speaker 6: commissioner when you get drafted. I don't know how true
Speaker 6: that is, because I a ton of people every time
Speaker 6: you went on stage hug Paul Tagliovu, of course, hell yeah,
Speaker 6: I just got hired by the NFL. Did you shake
Speaker 6: the hand and then pull him in for a hug
Speaker 6: or just go straight hug. I shook his hand first,
Speaker 6: and then I gave him a hug. Yeah, good to
Speaker 6: see you. I mean, it's it's yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: It was quite an experience, and I think it loses
Speaker 6: some of its luster when you take take risk to
Speaker 6: expand and and maybe make it more appealing or more
Speaker 6: sellable to advertisers by going to different, you know, different venues.
Speaker 6: I mean, some of them are just meant to be
Speaker 6: where they're meant to be if you ask me. Now,
Speaker 6: the Super Bowl has always been a move around deal,
Speaker 6: but the Draft was was situated, and so was the
Speaker 6: Pro Bowl. And I think that you know, you you
Speaker 6: don't know until you know if it's going to be
Speaker 6: a success or a flop. But I feel like they're
Speaker 6: two for two on flopping and and in some regards
Speaker 6: moving both the Pro Bowl and moving the NFL Draft.
Speaker 3: Just my take. She don't like the drafting moved out
Speaker 3: of I.
Speaker 6: Wanna say, I don't like it being but if you
Speaker 6: were to ask me, which one would be if you're
Speaker 6: asking me to show up, even as an alumni, you
Speaker 6: know which I was invited to do the pick for
Speaker 6: the Commanders this year. Why I don't want to do it.
Speaker 6: I don't want to do it. I'm gonna do the
Speaker 6: show here and then I'm a fly out and go
Speaker 6: see the Blue White game the next day. But I
Speaker 6: just didn't. I didn't feel any like, why do I
Speaker 6: want to go to Green Bay, Wisconsin for the Draft?
Speaker 6: So I'm not trying to throw shade. I'm just saying
Speaker 6: I don't want to go, and I just not. If
Speaker 6: it had been in New York and I had announced
Speaker 6: I announced a pick in New York for the team
Speaker 6: as well, I think there's more cachet. I think there's
Speaker 6: more draw. I think there's more reason to want to
Speaker 6: go to the draft and be a part of that
Speaker 6: event if it's being held in a place like New
Speaker 6: York City. So if it was New York going ag
Speaker 6: I thought about it, gave it more thought than what
Speaker 6: I did for this thing. I mean, it's not I
Speaker 6: just don't it is. It's it's you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: I don't want to go to Green Bay, but it's
Speaker 6: like that or for a game. It's different, Right, I'm
Speaker 6: going to Green Bay.
Speaker 5: That's one of the.
Speaker 6: Places you go for the pros to get an experience,
Speaker 6: But as far as going there for a draft, and
Speaker 6: I'm sure it's probably going to be a nice activation.
Speaker 6: I mean, the NFL does a great job with their activations.
Speaker 6: It's not I'm not throwing shade. I'm just saying, in general,
Speaker 6: is that more attractive? Is it more attractive to say
Speaker 6: we're moving it around and Okay, you had a great one,
Speaker 6: you had a great pool when it went to Tennessee.
Speaker 6: Like everybody I talked about the one that was in Tennessee,
Speaker 6: they rave about that one, and I think they felt
Speaker 6: like that was it was going to be a consistent,
Speaker 6: constant deal, that it would be as good in every
Speaker 6: other market.
Speaker 3: And it just hasn't been that.
Speaker 2: I've heard nothing but good things about it, cause it's been.
Speaker 2: It started in Chicago, went to Philly, it went to Dallas,
Speaker 2: it's been to Detroit last year.
Speaker 6: People said Detroit's was nice. I just again, I don't
Speaker 6: know the appeal of it. I could see how it
Speaker 6: could be appealing to want to go to a different market,
Speaker 6: but I just think I just think if it's in
Speaker 6: New York and historical value of it, the market that
Speaker 6: it's in, I thought it was amazing As a player,
Speaker 6: I thought it was amazing when I went back as
Speaker 6: an alumni. I also thought it was equally amazing being
Speaker 6: in New York City for the draft.
Speaker 2: I just want to apologize to the city of Green Bay,
Speaker 2: you know, for its fine place.
Speaker 3: Lee's a big fan.
Speaker 7: Lee.
Speaker 3: Lee went back and scored ducks out of a claw
Speaker 3: machine and that was the highlight of his true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what's weird is I asked Lee if
Speaker 4: he made any friends. You're just in the event that
Speaker 4: we actually got invited to go there for the draft,
Speaker 4: and he said, and again, this is just what he
Speaker 4: could remember from the trip. Lee, correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 4: But you did say you had it. You met a
Speaker 4: couple of friends who did say we could crash at
Speaker 4: their place if we were to come back for the draft. Now,
Speaker 4: when I asked you whether or not they're meth heads,
Speaker 4: your response was like, I honestly can't remember.
Speaker 5: So there was a bit of a concern.
Speaker 4: There was a bit of a concern of who exactly
Speaker 4: invited you based on where you were when this all
Speaker 4: took place.
Speaker 8: I'm sure they were not meth heads, but it's not
Speaker 8: like I would have known if they were.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure I could have made it guess.
Speaker 6: But certainly alcoholics or oh yeah, that's certainly alcoholic.
Speaker 2: Lee were there were there burn marks on the bottom
Speaker 2: of their spoons?
Speaker 8: No, they were not, they were they were very nice,
Speaker 8: very nice people in Green Bay.
Speaker 5: Certainly, certainly alcoholics.
Speaker 3: Yes, let's all right, at the very least.
Speaker 6: At the very least, you're definitely we're definitely staring out
Speaker 6: down the lane.
Speaker 2: You know, the pipe that's the floor sealing is meth amphetami.
Speaker 5: What's your best guest, LaVar? What was your best guess
Speaker 5: on what what they would be?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh one, alcoholics? Whatever else I mean to me after that?
Speaker 6: I cut it off after that, because anything's possible after that. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I didn't know, Like you wake up standing over top
Speaker 6: of you with like a Miller light or something like that,
Speaker 6: like some rusty boxer shorts on, Like what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 6: Like why are you standing there like that? By the way,
Speaker 6: I just don't want to find myself in like that
Speaker 6: is a reflection on green Bay. It's a reflection on
Speaker 6: Leave and his friend groups. That's fair, the company he keeps.
Speaker 5: So well.
Speaker 6: Look, and I happened to look a little different than y'all.
Speaker 6: So I got to be extra careful. You know, I
Speaker 6: found myself in in y'all situation. Man, y'all could try
Speaker 6: to gang up on me some just some pulp fiction
Speaker 6: type action. I don't want to.
Speaker 3: Be part of that.
Speaker 5: What the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 6: Your party?
Speaker 5: Games? The hell are you talking about?
Speaker 7: Man, that's dead baby thing right. Yeah, I get a
Speaker 7: hold of me, not easily, not easily.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I'm not going to put myself in a
Speaker 6: situation where I got to escape either.
Speaker 5: Oh man.
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Speaker 10: What's up? Guys? How we doing all right?
Speaker 2: Have you gotten any pushback or flack regarding your article
Speaker 2: that you wrote about in your piece about Shador Sanders
Speaker 2: from earlier this week?
Speaker 10: Not much? No, I mean I think, uh, you know,
Speaker 10: I think when you write the truth it, you know,
Speaker 10: I think you're okay. So I haven't gotten any major
Speaker 10: pushback on what I wrote about him now, so.
Speaker 2: The Sanders camp hasn't come after you, and uh, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean.
Speaker 10: I think but I think I think they're starting to realize,
Speaker 10: like they're starting to realize what is real and what's
Speaker 10: not here. And I do think, like again, I said
Speaker 10: this to you guys for over a month, I think
Speaker 10: right like that, I I don't think, like I don't
Speaker 10: think that a lot of the league views him as
Speaker 10: a first round talent. And I'm not telling you that
Speaker 10: that that means he's not gonna wind up having a
Speaker 10: great NFL career and be a top ten quarterback all that. Like,
Speaker 10: I don't know, you know, I don't know what this
Speaker 10: is going to become. What I can tell you is
Speaker 10: what is right now. And what is right now is
Speaker 10: a lot of these teams look at it and say
Speaker 10: I wouldn't I wouldn't take him in the first round,
Speaker 10: even if I mean to quarterback. So a lot like
Speaker 10: Bonnicks last year, I think this is going to come
Speaker 10: down to some team seeing them as a fit more
Speaker 10: so than other teams.
Speaker 5: Was Okay.
Speaker 4: That being said, though, and you've done this for a
Speaker 4: long time, how many prospects, though get pushed up into
Speaker 4: the first round? Like, I find it hilarious that there's
Speaker 4: always like fifty guys who are going to be first
Speaker 4: round picks at least based on what the agents start
Speaker 4: telling them, right, And in reality, most teams probably don't
Speaker 4: have thirty two first round grades on all the prospects
Speaker 4: they end up drafting them the first round that they
Speaker 4: don't have a first round grade on them. So if
Speaker 4: Shador Sanders has looked at in some people's minds as
Speaker 4: the number two quarterback, you know, how many quarterbacks then
Speaker 4: at this point even have a first round right?
Speaker 5: Is it just Cam Woard at this point? And then
Speaker 5: how many players in.
Speaker 4: General do you think are really have first round grades
Speaker 4: that teams are saying, Yeah, but you know they don't
Speaker 4: have rounds of game, but we're gonna.
Speaker 5: Take in the first round.
Speaker 10: No, it's a good point, Brady, Like, I think this
Speaker 10: is this year that numbers love, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 10: and even in a great year, you guys know this,
Speaker 10: like the the number might be twenty twenty two, twenty four, right,
Speaker 10: Like I think this year, that number is probably closer
Speaker 10: to like twelve or thirteen for some teams, like where
Speaker 10: and look like some of it is like you know,
Speaker 10: like they're gonna different teams going to look at different
Speaker 10: guys different ways, so they're not going to come off
Speaker 10: to see the board the same way. There's not the
Speaker 10: consensus that people think there is, Like after you get
Speaker 10: past the first couple of guys, you know, like there's
Speaker 10: going to be disagreement from team to team based on fit,
Speaker 10: based on like what your doctors say, based on all
Speaker 10: of those things. Right, So so yeah, like that number,
Speaker 10: that number is low, and quarterbacks get pushed in the
Speaker 10: first round more than any other positions. So that's definitely
Speaker 10: something you have to take into account here, is that
Speaker 10: teams get desperate and it's the most important position on
Speaker 10: the field, and you know, like in some cases owners
Speaker 10: can get involved saying like we have to come away
Speaker 10: with a quarterback, come hell or high water, you know,
Speaker 10: and it's how you know, it's how Christian Ponder winds
Speaker 10: up going twelfth overall, let's pick on him. It's how
Speaker 10: aj Manuel winds up going sixteenth overall. You know, I
Speaker 10: think you'd argue is how Kenny Pickett went in the
Speaker 10: first round a couple of years ago. You know, It's like,
Speaker 10: if you're pre determining that we have to take a
Speaker 10: quarterback in a certain year, well, that doesn't automatically mean
Speaker 10: there's going to be one worthy of going where you're picking,
Speaker 10: you know. But sometimes sometimes teams will look at it
Speaker 10: and say, you know what, like we need to take
Speaker 10: care of this once and for all now. And I'd
Speaker 10: argue that's often when the mistakes are made.
Speaker 6: With all that being said, Abe, they did bring in
Speaker 6: three quarterbacks to work out in New York?
Speaker 5: Is that I mean?
Speaker 3: Is that posturing?
Speaker 10: Is that?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, let me know.
Speaker 10: So I would tell you, LeVar, I think this goes
Speaker 10: back to the fall, right like, And one thing I
Speaker 10: think that was very clear, like starting in the fall
Speaker 10: was how much work the Giants were going to do
Speaker 10: on quarterbacks. And they did a ton and so they
Speaker 10: got you know, I know, people say, oh, they were
Speaker 10: they were around you do a lot in the fall.
Speaker 10: They were around all these guys a lot in the fall.
Speaker 10: So I mean there are even a few guys that
Speaker 10: didn't come out that were in that category. Drew Aller
Speaker 10: at Penn State and Garrett Nussmeyer you know at LSU
Speaker 10: and Carson Beck at Georgia and now at Miami. Like
Speaker 10: they were around those guys a ton during the fall
Speaker 10: because they knew quarterback was going to be need for
Speaker 10: them and they wanted to really dive in and get
Speaker 10: to know the class really well. So like this is
Speaker 10: the last piece of that. And I think they will
Speaker 10: take a quarterback somewhere, but I don't think that the
Speaker 10: likelihood right now is they take a third. Overall, they
Speaker 10: did work out Jackson Dart about a month ago. They
Speaker 10: worked them out in mid March, so like that was
Speaker 10: the first of the private workhouse they did. And you know,
Speaker 10: now they're getting these three done here at the end
Speaker 10: and being able Sho to do her today Jalen Miller
Speaker 10: Roe tomorrow and Tyler Shuck on Saturday. So I mean
Speaker 10: they've run the gamut with all these guys, and you know,
Speaker 10: I think reading into it is like this is like
Speaker 10: a new level of interest or this is like some
Speaker 10: sort of renewed interest, like I think as much as
Speaker 10: anything else, And this is you know something I wrote
Speaker 10: the other day. This is John Mahra basically saying to
Speaker 10: this guys, like if we're going to pass on the
Speaker 10: quarterback at three, like, let's make sure we know what
Speaker 10: we're passing on. I mean, you may remember seven years
Speaker 10: ago they didn't make a mistake taking Saquon Barkley second overall,
Speaker 10: but Josh Allen was under consideration there, you know, and
Speaker 10: and and so you know if they wind up passing
Speaker 10: on on Josh Allen at that point, and you know,
Speaker 10: I think part of it for the for the for
Speaker 10: the maras you know again, is well, you know, if
Speaker 10: we're if we're not taking a quarterback of three with
Speaker 10: this crying need we have with this pick that we have,
Speaker 10: then we need to be damn sure we don't know
Speaker 10: these guys inside now before we do it.
Speaker 3: Albert.
Speaker 2: As far as the Giants go, because we were talking
Speaker 2: about that earlier, is what's the potential of them, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe moving back out of the pick if they don't
Speaker 2: have a need for an edge rusher like an abdual Carter,
Speaker 2: maybe there's a team that desperately wants him or is
Speaker 2: interested in that as being their pick. So have you
Speaker 2: heard any teams specifically that have called or any teams
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on that could potentially be moving there?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't know that anybody's coming. I mean, I
Speaker 10: think it's I think it's hard logistically this year because
Speaker 10: you can take the draft value chart and throw it
Speaker 10: out this year. The reason why, at least at the
Speaker 10: very top of the draft. The reason why is because
Speaker 10: after Hunter and Carter, there's this feeling that the picks
Speaker 10: you we've've been making there, whether it's Will Campbell or
Speaker 10: Jalen Walker or Mason Graham or any of these guys,
Speaker 10: Tyler Warren, Ashton Gent like a lot of those guys
Speaker 10: would probably be picked fifteenth or twenty if last year, right, Like,
Speaker 10: so like if you're the giants are Browns, You're looking
Speaker 10: at it and you're there two and three with two
Speaker 10: guys on the board that are legitimate blue chip guys,
Speaker 10: and you're saying, all right, well, if we're going to
Speaker 10: move out of here, going down to six this year
Speaker 10: would be like going down to twenty last year. And
Speaker 10: if that's the case, well then like, aren't you going
Speaker 10: to ask for more from those teams? And are those
Speaker 10: teams willing to pay that premium to come and move off?
Speaker 10: I think that complication is quite a.
Speaker 6: Bad I would ask Mott. I guess maybe not my
Speaker 6: final question, but I'm curious about I made the point earlier,
Speaker 6: Aba you know the New England Patriots are and let
Speaker 6: me know if I'm accurate or off.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if I was off or not.
Speaker 6: But it sounds like Mike Vrabel was interested in TJ
Speaker 6: Watt because negotiations aren't going very well in Pittsburgh. If
Speaker 6: that is the case, well what does this mean for
Speaker 6: possibly making a move? And you're at four, but would
Speaker 6: you think that there's the possibility that they would try
Speaker 6: to maybe swap out with the Giants to maybe get
Speaker 6: a duel carter if they don't get a TJ.
Speaker 3: Watt.
Speaker 6: I mean, hearing that they want TJ Watt would come
Speaker 6: across to me as you are placing a very very
Speaker 6: high priority on the idea of in that position, correct, right.
Speaker 10: Right, So, like I think Jalen Locker is somebody to
Speaker 10: be in the mix for them to at for, you know,
Speaker 10: And and it's you're juxtaposing that against like what they
Speaker 10: the crying need they have for a tackle, right like
Speaker 10: an help protect her young quarterbacks. So you know, whether
Speaker 10: that's you know, Will Campbell or arm On Membu or
Speaker 10: Kelvin Banks, whatever, you know, like I I think that
Speaker 10: that's sort of the internal debate you're talking about that's
Speaker 10: probably happening there now. I don't know they would give up.
Speaker 10: I mean, they just I think the problem for them
Speaker 10: is they just have too many needs to be giving
Speaker 10: up a ton of capital to go up a spot.
Speaker 10: And you know, if they were to say, give up
Speaker 10: both their third round picks to go up a spot, well,
Speaker 10: then you know, that's where the strength of this year's drafted.
Speaker 10: And I think that complicated a little bit too. Is
Speaker 10: like most teams look at it and say, okay, like
Speaker 10: you know, one to twenty isn't as strong as it
Speaker 10: usually is, but like twenty to seventy is pretty good,
Speaker 10: you know. And so if you have if you have
Speaker 10: a good amount of capital, you know, there on on
Speaker 10: on Friday the draft they're in around two and three,
Speaker 10: feel pretty good about that. So do you want to
Speaker 10: give up that capital to fill you know, the the
Speaker 10: number of means that you have on the roster to
Speaker 10: jump one spot? I think it's a fair question to ask,
Speaker 10: you know, And then like what again, what does it
Speaker 10: take the Giants to move down from from from you know,
Speaker 10: taking from taking Abdul Carter at three to maybe take
Speaker 10: like save Mason Graham at four, Like how do they
Speaker 10: view that? I think all that's part of the equation, Albert.
Speaker 5: I want to ask you about Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 4: It seems like he's gotten a lot of positive momentum
Speaker 4: since Dannersina came out and says she had one NFL
Speaker 4: head coach who said he they.
Speaker 5: Like him best of any of these quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: Is he kind of that surprise guy that could end
Speaker 4: up going in the first round we're I'm talking about, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 10: I think he's I don't think it's crazy to think
Speaker 10: like he could, like somebody could try into the bottom
Speaker 10: of the first round. Like I think like all these guys,
Speaker 10: like there's just like a wide range of outcomes for
Speaker 10: all of them. Like where I could see Shuck going
Speaker 10: in the first round, I could see him sliding a
Speaker 10: little in the second round, you know, like I And
Speaker 10: he's he's a fascinating one because he's got a lot
Speaker 10: of things some of these other guys, don't, you know
Speaker 10: what I mean. He's got the size, he's got a
Speaker 10: big arm. You know, he's a he's a good athlete.
Speaker 10: He ran four six I believe, right like so like
Speaker 10: he's got a lot of the things you like, but
Speaker 10: he's going to be twenty six, he's got the classical injury.
Speaker 10: You know, he's had trouble staying in the field over
Speaker 10: the years. So like I think with each of these guys,
Speaker 10: there's something you got to kind of wrap your head around,
Speaker 10: you know, and like okay, like what am I okay
Speaker 10: working with? And the medical is going to be a
Speaker 10: big piece of it for for Tyler Shuck, And I
Speaker 10: think the fact that he's a little older is something
Speaker 10: you have to you have to be comfortable with too. Ultimately,
Speaker 10: I think I think Cleveland would be an interesting team
Speaker 10: for him, and they're taking right there at the top
Speaker 10: of the second round, so you know, we'll see where
Speaker 10: that goes. But I think he'd probably be right in
Speaker 10: that range, like I you know, i'd be I'd be'd
Speaker 10: be surprised to me if he goes in the first round,
Speaker 10: but I certainly you think I don't think that's off
Speaker 10: the table, and I think he's you know, like, I
Speaker 10: think he probably goes somewhere in the second round.
Speaker 2: Albert Brier joining us here on the Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 2: You can get him on X at Albert Brier, what's
Speaker 2: the real story behind Derek Carr's injury.
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a lot there. I mean, the injury is
Speaker 10: two years old, so that's something to consider certainly. You know,
Speaker 10: so like you have that, and then you know, on
Speaker 10: top of it, like you know, there was one point
Speaker 10: in the off season when he was looking for a
Speaker 10: market correction to his contract. You know, then then you know,
Speaker 10: does he want to be traded? That word sort of
Speaker 10: circular editor around the league in early March. Then you know,
Speaker 10: like then they do the conversion on his contract, which
Speaker 10: I mean they didn't have they didn't need to seek
Speaker 10: permission for that, Like they had the automatic conversion in
Speaker 10: the contract, so they weren't able to do that unilaterally.
Speaker 10: But they still they didn't really work with him on it,
Speaker 10: and so they just go and do that, which basically
Speaker 10: locks him into the team for this year. And now
Speaker 10: you hear like this injury thing, all of a sudden
Speaker 10: is an issue. There's just there's a lot going on there,
Speaker 10: I would say, And there's a lot to sort through
Speaker 10: for for for for Derek Carr and the Saints, and
Speaker 10: I don't know the way this ends, but it certainly
Speaker 10: had a layered to to where they're at going into
Speaker 10: the draft, what they might do with the ninet oberall tick,
Speaker 10: what they might do on the Friday the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 10: I think they were. They were. They were looking pretty
Speaker 10: heavily at quarterbacks to begin with. It'll be interesting to
Speaker 10: see if it affects their approach when they get to
Speaker 10: the actual draft.
Speaker 6: You mentioned earlier going at the draft, and I'm passing
Speaker 6: on Alan, what what's your take? I've been telling the
Speaker 6: whole entire world for so long, and and I've just
Speaker 6: been ringing the bail and and just trying to holler
Speaker 6: from every mountaintop that I can about Ashton Genty and
Speaker 6: and his his talent. And no I'm joking. I take
Speaker 6: it up to messing with Brady.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 6: Brady has actually been telling people how great Ashton Genty
Speaker 6: has been before he became maybe more so of a
Speaker 6: household name, how should we be looking at you know,
Speaker 6: where he's at, and how set up for this year's drest.
Speaker 10: I've actually I tried to ask people my conversations like
Speaker 10: how does he match up with the guys that have
Speaker 10: gone in that range at that position in recent years?
Speaker 10: So say kwan Zeke Elliott you know, Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 10: There aren't very many of them, you know, John Robinson,
Speaker 10: So there are very many guys that have gone in
Speaker 10: that range. And I the the feedback I've gotten is
Speaker 10: like he's maybe like a slight notch below that group
Speaker 10: of guys, you know, but he's a really really good player.
Speaker 10: And because he's so clean character wise, like you have
Speaker 10: like a really good idea of what you're going to
Speaker 10: get with him, right, So is it gonna be the
Speaker 10: best back in football? I don't know, you know, because
Speaker 10: I think all those guys I mentioned, like we're seeing
Speaker 10: as like, Okay, like this's got a potential to be
Speaker 10: the best player disposition. But he's a damn good player,
Speaker 10: and I think like where he goes just sort of
Speaker 10: depends on how you approach that position in general. I
Speaker 10: think this this relates to Tyler Warren to some degree,
Speaker 10: to where you know, just a really good player and
Speaker 10: you know, like it's it's kind of you know, going
Speaker 10: to come down to team's comfort level with you know,
Speaker 10: spending top ten picks on those positions.
Speaker 2: Abe, does it feel like this draft is lacking a little,
Speaker 2: uh little buzz?
Speaker 10: I'll tell you what if she do or starts sliding,
Speaker 10: it won't Okay. Yeah, I mean, like I think I
Speaker 10: think you're right. Like last year, if you remember, like
Speaker 10: the sexy positions were all were loaded right like you quarterbacks,
Speaker 10: you had receivers. I mean it was it was and
Speaker 10: and and even if like you're talking about just premium
Speaker 10: positions in general, with the offensive tackles that were there.
Speaker 10: I mean, last year was one of those years where
Speaker 10: it was like, if you need help at a premium spot,
Speaker 10: you can get it. It was a good TV draft.
Speaker 10: I would say, you know, like with the three quarterbacks
Speaker 10: of the top six in the top twelve and then
Speaker 10: you know Marvin Harrison, Elik Neighbors and Roma Dunze there
Speaker 10: in the top ten. This draft is not that way.
Speaker 10: So this draft doesn't have that sort of star power.
Speaker 10: You're gonna have offensive line and you're gonna have, you know,
Speaker 10: defensive line, and I think pretty heavy in the first
Speaker 10: twenty picks or so. So look, I think this draft's
Speaker 10: going to be about storylines, and one of the storylines
Speaker 10: is what happens wash do or I think it's I
Speaker 10: think one thing that is cool about it is because
Speaker 10: I'd say it flattens out after the first two guys,
Speaker 10: Like after Hunter and Carter, you're gonna kind of get
Speaker 10: to a point where I think it's gonna be pretty unpredictable,
Speaker 10: and so there could be some curve balls and certain
Speaker 10: guys going ahead of other guys because I think it
Speaker 10: is sort of flat like once you get past those
Speaker 10: two guys. So I'll enjoy it, but I'll enjoy it,
Speaker 10: but I can understand where it would be lacking a
Speaker 10: little bit like the drive by fans.
Speaker 4: Albert, did you say you felt like there was gonna
Speaker 4: be a lot of trades or maybe not a lot
Speaker 4: of trades.
Speaker 5: I couldn't remember when we talked to you a couple
Speaker 5: weeks ago.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't think there'll be a lot at the top.
Speaker 10: I think he gets in the back half of the
Speaker 10: first round. I think that dynamic I had mentioned Brady
Speaker 10: about how like if you're again, if you're valuing this
Speaker 10: year's fifteenth tick like you would last year's fifth pick,
Speaker 10: or the other way around. If you if you if
Speaker 10: you value this year said the pick like you would
Speaker 10: last year's fifteen stick, then I think that logistically makes
Speaker 10: it difficult to move in the first round and I
Speaker 10: do think it's like you like view, say you view
Speaker 10: like Will Campbell and armand Membo is similar, or you
Speaker 10: view you know, Jalen Walker and Michael Williams and Shamar
Speaker 10: Stewart like there's not a huge difference, like or Will
Speaker 10: Johnson and Jji Baron. Well, then like, what's gonna motivate
Speaker 10: you to move up? Like I think the motivation to
Speaker 10: move up is like when the supply in those spots
Speaker 10: maybe starts throw and dry a little, and that's later
Speaker 10: in the first round. So I'd say, like the first
Speaker 10: half of the first round I think will be relatively static,
Speaker 10: and then we get the back half of the round,
Speaker 10: things change a little bit.
Speaker 4: So so real quick on that note, Typically when there's
Speaker 4: these different draft classes, you've always said, and this used
Speaker 4: to be around the combine and we'd bump into each other,
Speaker 4: teams would be like salivating over a guy in like
Speaker 4: the next year's draft, sometimes at a certain position. And
Speaker 4: obviously this quarterback class is viewed as one that's that's
Speaker 4: weaker and compared to last year. Is there a sense
Speaker 4: of that with arch Manning? Like is there a sense
Speaker 4: around the NFL in league that like if he does
Speaker 4: what everyone thinks he's going to do this year, that
Speaker 4: he would leave, and he would, without a doubt be
Speaker 4: one of those generational prospects because the NFL has seen
Speaker 4: the story twice before or maybe three times, including the brothers,
Speaker 4: but through generations of the Manning's working out.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I can't wait to see what happens.
Speaker 10: I don't know that anybody can speak to it with
Speaker 10: a lot of like certainty at this point because he talent, right, Like,
Speaker 10: but I don't know, Brady, what do you think? Like
Speaker 10: I look at it like he had his two starts
Speaker 10: were against inferior opponents, wasn't it It was against like
Speaker 10: a directional school and like a or was it? I
Speaker 10: can't remember, but it was against directional school I think
Speaker 10: in the Mississippi State who was we didn't want a
Speaker 10: game in the SEC. So, like, I'm not saying that
Speaker 10: to knock him, but it's just, you know, like you
Speaker 10: still haven't seen enough. Like and if if his name
Speaker 10: were you know, if his last name were Smith, like,
Speaker 10: I think we'd probably be looking at him and Texas
Speaker 10: fans would be super excited because of what he is physically.
Speaker 10: But I don't think we'd be talking about him like
Speaker 10: it's gonna be the first pick in the draft. You know.
Speaker 5: So so two things.
Speaker 4: He obviously bigger than quin you weres and obviously yours
Speaker 4: was dealing with some sort of injury what have you.
Speaker 4: But even when yours was healthy, stronger arm, better athlete.
Speaker 4: And I think that's going to translate in a Steve
Speaker 4: Sarkisan system to a big year in particular, what week
Speaker 4: one they played some some big school I think if
Speaker 4: it shows out week one this upcoming season, I'll set
Speaker 4: the town for the rest of it.
Speaker 10: Right, Well, yeah, and I agree with that. Like here's
Speaker 10: where I would say, though, like just looking at the face,
Speaker 10: so beats.
Speaker 5: Down who they play week one? Like it like here
Speaker 5: comes the hype train. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 10: Yeah? If he if he shows that in week one, yeah,
Speaker 10: that the hype train can leave the station. I would
Speaker 10: say this. So I think I think Cooper Manning has
Speaker 10: done an incredible job, like from what I can see,
Speaker 10: at least managing like his helping helping to manage his sons,
Speaker 10: like like you know, his playing career. I don't know,
Speaker 10: Like I don't know why anybody gets will get the
Speaker 10: idea that it's automatic that that he's going to come
Speaker 10: out if he has a great year. I mean, if
Speaker 10: you look at it, Peyton stayed, Eli stayed when they
Speaker 10: were in school, you know, Arch Manning in a spot
Speaker 10: when a lot of guys would have left Texas, he
Speaker 10: stayed and stuck it out and sat for two years.
Speaker 10: And then there's a lot of like there's a lot
Speaker 10: of evidence that what is the marker. I think it's
Speaker 10: like twenty five starts in college, Like there's a big
Speaker 10: difference when you're talking about it being a predictor for
Speaker 10: success in the pros, Like generally guys who start a
Speaker 10: lot of games in college have a bit of have
Speaker 10: an advantage over guys that don't. So like I would
Speaker 10: just look at it, like I mean, like everything we
Speaker 10: know about the Manning family, it tells us like they're
Speaker 10: not gonna They're not going to just chase money or
Speaker 10: a certain draft position if it's there for them. Like
Speaker 10: I I don't know, it just it feels to me
Speaker 10: like it's a lot more likely that that he's going
Speaker 10: to spend at least two years as the starting quarterback
Speaker 10: in Texas. I might be wrong, but but but it
Speaker 10: just it at least feels that way to me now.
Speaker 10: And you know, I again like I and we talked
Speaker 10: about next year's class. I think there there are some
Speaker 10: guys look at throughout our Kent State Garrett not Smyer
Speaker 10: at LSU, Leonora's Sellers at South Carolina. I just I
Speaker 10: don't know. I don't know that it'd be so fast
Speaker 10: about arch maning and that class base and what we
Speaker 10: know about how his family's handled these into the past.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but again week one, if he if he just
Speaker 4: blows out that upon a Week one, especially on the road,
Speaker 4: you know a good sense.
Speaker 10: That well, you're like willing, you're willing this to happen. Now,
Speaker 10: hu you really love?
Speaker 5: Do you know? Do you happen to know who Texas
Speaker 5: plays Week one next year?
Speaker 10: I do? I do. I mean I heard there's another
Speaker 10: highly scouted quarterback that might be playing that by the
Speaker 10: name of Julian saying you might want to.
Speaker 4: I'm sure on the same page here, I'm spar sure, huh,
Speaker 4: I'm sure on the same page.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you might want to study up on him for
Speaker 10: picking and kickoff. You guys might be talking about.
Speaker 5: Buddy, And here's how little you know.
Speaker 4: Then, here's how little you know last spring game, when
Speaker 4: everyone was drooling about Jeremi Smith, I sat there instead
Speaker 4: on the broadcast, I said joy and saying has the
Speaker 4: higher upside like Ohio State, I think could have done
Speaker 4: what they did last year, even with.
Speaker 10: Saying starting wow, well you made me feel a lot better.
Speaker 10: I appreciate that. Brady, thank you.
Speaker 3: It all comes here. It is ab We appreciate it.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 3: We'll do it again next week. There he is.
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Speaker 3: All right, d Lap, what do we got? Well?
Speaker 8: I think me and Farr have a similar schedule today.
Speaker 8: Right after the show. I think we're both heading to
Speaker 8: the dentist. That's correct, different Dennis, of course, but.
Speaker 3: Head in the Pasadena getting your teeth clean.
Speaker 8: I'm just doing a routine cleaning. Far has got some
Speaker 8: uh it's work.
Speaker 6: I'm curious as to how this is all going to
Speaker 6: go down. Am I going to get a cap? Because
Speaker 6: I was, I was waiting to get a crown, and
Speaker 6: so I had a temporary on and I think I
Speaker 6: destroyed my whole tooth though, So I wonder if I'm
Speaker 6: still getting a crown or if I'm gonna have to
Speaker 6: get a what is.
Speaker 3: That called an endplane or whatever? That's bad damn nuts man.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and me and var we were both talking about it.
Speaker 8: We've both been sleeping on the couch a lot lately,
Speaker 8: not because we're in the doghouse or anything like that,
Speaker 8: just because.
Speaker 3: I'm a couch couch.
Speaker 8: You know, what they say about couches for rich people
Speaker 8: is that the couch doesn't touch a wall. I don't
Speaker 8: get it, rich people. The couch doesn't touch a wall.
Speaker 8: It's somewhere in the middle of the room.
Speaker 3: Most people.
Speaker 6: It's so crazy, and I'm trying to Yeah, what is
Speaker 6: at first?
Speaker 5: What is that? Because the rooms are so big.
Speaker 4: Okay, think about it. The rooms are so big, you
Speaker 4: don't you have to put it up against a wall.
Speaker 4: You just put it somewhere in the middle. Oh, I
Speaker 4: can't relate to that. That's how it was in my
Speaker 4: old house, not like that here in my new one.
Speaker 4: So so that's debunked. Unless I'm not rich, of course,
Speaker 4: might not be rich something.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, but I like my my couch and
Speaker 6: I'm going to get on it tonight.
Speaker 3: By the way,