1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to our classic episode for this week, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Now, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Santa Anna was a lot of things to a lot 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: of people. Is larger than life. He was a legend, 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: a general in exile. He was also a guy who 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: was very bad at keeping his legs with him. I 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: stole Sanny Annie's leg. 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 2: I just looked at the hashtags are the keywords for 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 2: this episode, and King of the Hill is definitely on there, 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 2: so I know we talk about Cotton Hill and his 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: leg shenanigans in this episode. 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite episodes of television. 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: Santa Anna, the real life guy not lost his leg 13 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: not just once, but twice. And then this classic episode. 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 3: We don't even want to spoil it. Let's just get 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 3: this wit a ride. 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: Uh huh. Right along with us, fellow ridiculous historians. Ridiculous 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to the show, 18 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: Friends and neighbors. As you can tell from the background 19 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: music playing gently behind us, we are Texas bound. In 20 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: today's episode, I'm. 21 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: Ben loping along on our ponies, get along, little dog, 22 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: all that stuff. 23 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: I know, and we're riding on the range today. We 24 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 1: are we're riding around the great American West points North 25 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: and South. We are joined in spirit with our super 26 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: producer Casey Pegram, who is still away in France. Man, 27 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: I bet he's living it up, you know. 28 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: And no, I know he is, or at least doing 29 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: Casey's version of living it up, because I was texting 30 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: with him the other day and I was like, Man, 31 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: you having a blast? 32 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, Man, I just saw a ten hour 33 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: film that does sound like him. Yeah. When I was 34 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: talking to him, I always have to check to see 35 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: if this is going to be the trip where he 36 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: decides to stay in France. So do us a favor, 37 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: write to him, let him know that he has to 38 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: come back at some voice, because it's just not the 39 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: same without him. Yeah, it's kind of like when a 40 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: band gets back together but they have a different lead singer. 41 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: Have you ever been to a concert like that? No, 42 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: but I do remember. 43 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: The thing that always comes to mind is when Ozzie 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: left Black Sabbath and was replaced by Ronnie James Dio. 45 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: That just seemed that seemed like heresy, which I guess 46 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: is in character for a band called Black Sabbath. 47 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: Sure, and that's a good point. But before we go 48 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: too far off the rails of this. I gotta say 49 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: it's no dan On Doo nor On Osborne to say 50 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: that they they're just not comparable. 51 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: No, I mean, Dio has rocked for a long long time, 52 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 2: but now it's time for him to pass the torch 53 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: back to Ozzie. 54 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: And both both of these performers are legends. And speaking 55 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: of fantastic segues, today's episode is about allegend. 56 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: We got there, you did it man, a legend, allegedly allegedly, 57 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: allegedly a leggy legend. My girlfriend this morning called me 58 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: the the king of dad jokes. 59 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: She did not mean it as a compliment. I don't 60 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with doing. 61 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: It's a niche man, you know, one which we squarely occupied. 62 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm proud of it. Most I think most people make 63 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: dad jokes. In fact, we're unfairly impinging upon dad's I agree, 64 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: dad bod dad joke. It's like a term of abuse. 65 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: It's a very weird anti Dade thing that goes on. 66 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: You know what, though, being a dad is the only 67 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: thing that got us a producer in the studio today, 68 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: because today we are joined with our guest super producer, 69 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: Eden Brown, Okay, I. 70 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: See where you're going with that, and thank you eating 71 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: for saving the show. So who's this alleged hero of 72 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: today's story. Yes, this allegedly leggie legend better known as 73 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna. That is a mouthful, allegedly 74 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: leggy legend, A man we could do. We could do 75 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: another leg of that, I think big time. So this 76 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: guy say it to Anna. You may have heard of 77 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: him before. He was born on February twenty first, seventeen 78 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: ninety four, and he was a tremendously influential politician. In general. 79 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: We wouldn't call him a war lord, but he knew 80 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: his way around a battlefield. Over the course of his life, 81 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: he would rule Mexico eleven different times. Yeah. 82 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 2: World class legalomaniac. Yeah, you're gonna keep this rolling, Sure 83 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: we can, Okay. 84 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: He was often described as the Napoleon of the West 85 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: by himself. 86 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 2: Yep, also a world class manufacturer of lore pertaining to 87 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: his favorite guy, General Santa Ana himself. 88 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: He is probably most famous, at least in the United 89 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: States today, for his activity during the Texas Revolution from 90 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty five to eighteen thirty six. Notorious sacker of 91 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: the Alamo. 92 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: Right, there were some Texan rebels because as we know, 93 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: Texas was ruled by Mexico, and Texas didn't want to 94 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: do that anymore. They wanted there to be their own thing, 95 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: and so this a very small group of Texan rebels 96 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: posted up at the Alamo, which was an old Franciscan monastery, 97 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: I believe, and they were able to fend off Santa 98 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: Anna and his armies for something like thirteen days, I want. 99 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: To say, right, and they earned this defense with blood. 100 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: There were about one hundred Texans that were garrisoned at 101 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: the Alamo, and the Texas force grew a little bit 102 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: with the reinforcements led by commanders James Bowie and William Travis. 103 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: But wasn't Daniel Boone there too? Yeah, there were a 104 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: lot of It was like a Wu Tang clan posse track. 105 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was a war and apparently we're supposed 106 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: to remember it, and by gosh, we do. 107 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: Right, right, And that's why you'll hear the battle cry, 108 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: remember Goliad, remember the Alamo on I think it was 109 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: first recorded on the twenty first of April in eighteen 110 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: thirty six. During the Battle of the Alamo, Santa Ana's 111 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: forces killed one hundred and eighty nine Texans and then 112 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: later executed more than three hundred and forty prisoners. Yikes. 113 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: Not a popular fellow in Texas history, as we will 114 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: come to discover right there in this episode, right. 115 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: Right, not a popular fellow, but he got stuff done. 116 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: It's true. He is sort of remembered similarly to Napoleon 117 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: in that ultimately he ended up losing a lot of 118 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: the stuff that he gained through this kind of thirst 119 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: for conquest. Right Yeah, And there's an interesting part about 120 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: that that it'll come into play later. I'll remember to 121 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: bring it up before we end the episode. So before 122 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: we get to one of my favorite wars of this episode, Nol, 123 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: why don't you tell us a little bit about the 124 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: events that occurred after the album. Well, just briefly, all 125 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: those those Alamo centric atrocities you mentioned probably really got 126 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: the Texan rebels fired up, and they ultimately won their 127 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: independence when they defeated Santa Anna's forces during the Battle 128 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: of Sanja Sinto on April twenty first of eighteen thirty six. 129 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: Santa Anna and his forces were defeated and he signed 130 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: a treaty to give Texas their independence. From Mexico right 131 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: and again that is where famous the famous call to 132 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: arms or the famous rallying cry. I remember the Alamo originates. 133 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: Santa Ana was held captive in Texas and he eventually 134 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: managed to return to Mexico in eighteen thirty seven after 135 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: he met with US President Andrew Jackson. So he lived 136 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: in exile. He traveled back to Mexico a defeated man, 137 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: and he needed a win, nol. He needed something to 138 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: change the winds of fortune. In eighteen thirty eight, he 139 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: found a chance. But it was it was a very 140 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: strange thing. It's one of my favorite names in today's show. 141 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: He became involved in something called the Pastry War. 142 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: That's right after he sort of was able to more 143 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: or less free himself from exile. He posted up in 144 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: a pretty cushy oacienda in Vera Cruz where he more 145 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 2: or less retired and he was kind of just kicking 146 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: it there, doing his thing, and then this thing called 147 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 2: the pastry War flared up. What's the pastry War? 148 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: Ben? That sounds delicious. I'm glad you asked. So there's 149 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: another geopolitical thing going on here. France is super unhappy 150 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: with the Mexican government at this time, because they have 151 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: unpaid debts that they had incurred during the Texas Revolution 152 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: of eighteen thirty six, and these were quite significant debts. 153 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: We're talking about six hundred thousand pesos. So when a 154 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: baker living near Mexico City, a little bit outside of it, 155 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: a French baker, a French baker, yes, when he claims 156 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: that the Mexican army ransacked his bakery, and he demands 157 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: compensation to the tune of what was it, sixty thousand pesos? 158 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: Sixty thousand, that's right, which was an exorbitant inflation of 159 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: what the bakery was valued at, which was more in 160 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 2: line with like a thousand pesos. 161 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, actually a little bit us right. And the chef 162 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: whose name today we know him only as Remonteille, he 163 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: found some very sympathetic ears in the French government because 164 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: he took the case directly to the king of the time, 165 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: Louis Philippe, and Louis said, they gave this ultimatum with 166 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: this pretext for the conflict, for the pastry war. They 167 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: gave this ultimatum to Mexico and they said, all right, 168 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: give us six hundred thousand pesos that includes the sixty 169 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: thousand for this guy's pastry shop. The Mexican Congress said 170 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: their version of heck noo, are you crazy? And so 171 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: in the spring of eighteen thirty eight, the French Navy 172 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: began a blockade of seaports along the Gulf of Mexico, 173 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: all over up one French bakery. It must have been 174 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: a great bakery, maybe, Yeah, I guess it was just 175 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: kind of like the straw that broke the French ponies back. 176 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: It was the use that they used. Yeah, it was 177 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: the the string that dropped the guillotine exactly. 178 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: It's very, very very interesting the way these kind of 179 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: powder kegs can be set off by a single event, 180 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: like the assassination of a single Archduke Frans Ferdinand, setting 181 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: off you know, all of the events that with multiple 182 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: players that led you know that were World War One. 183 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: That were already seeding. Yeah, but that's the thing. 184 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 2: It's so interesting throughout history you see these little kind 185 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: of flashpoint moments that taken on their own, you wouldn't 186 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: think would be that big a deal, but they can 187 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: set off this chain reaction that becomes. 188 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: Quite a kerfuffle, right, And just like the case with 189 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: World War One and Frans Ferdinand. There's the question of 190 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: whether it had to be these specific flashpoint events or 191 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: would it have inevitably been something else Because France was 192 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: ready to go. It takes a while to get ships 193 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: across the Atlantic. 194 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were steamed about that cash, you know, because 195 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: they're like, hey, we helped you out and you failed. 196 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, ultimately in. 197 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: Your endeavor to you know, quash these rebels and now 198 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: pay up. 199 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: And the US, by the way, also piled onto Mexico. 200 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: They sent a schooner to assist in the blockade. This 201 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: stalemate drags on and on until November twenty seventh, and 202 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: the French warships start bombarding island fortresses. Mexico officially declares 203 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: war on France, and within days French marines are raiding 204 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: the city and they captured nearly the entire Mexican navy. 205 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: Desperate to get these monsters out of their fair city 206 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: and out of their country, Mexico turned to Santa Anna. 207 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: There's a great article on history dot com that goes 208 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: through some of the chronology of this and they refer 209 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: to Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna as being. 210 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: A grizzled warrior. 211 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: I love that acause at this point, you know, he's 212 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 2: had his day, his heyday. He's already ruled like what 213 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: four times at this point, I don't know, I lose track. 214 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: He keeps going into retirement, coming out of retirement, going back, 215 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: they keep pulling him. 216 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: Back in, like in like the Godfather movies or whatever. 217 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so like me at a buffet, of course, 218 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: the buffet you want to like get your pill, ben people. 219 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: I don't think we as a species are emotionally equipped 220 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: to handle buffets. You gotta keep going back to the trough. 221 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: I mean, otherwise it's a it's a sunken cost kind 222 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: of situation. 223 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So back to this great description by Christopher Kleine, Right, 224 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: they're writing there for history. 225 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Santa Anna was was quite a big fan of 226 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: Santa Anna and fancied himself sort of a ruler of 227 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 2: the people. So he was all too ready to jump 228 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: back into the fray. And you know, he really had 229 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: a thirst for like being the guy that was gonna 230 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: hop back in and save Mexico's. 231 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: But and people were into it too, of course, so 232 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: he raises his own army. He comes out and says 233 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: something along the lines of I am Santa Anna. Help 234 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: me defend the city from these French savages exactly. And 235 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: they're all about it. So they're able to drive Santa 236 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: Anna's army that he forms are able to drive French 237 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: forces away from the city and at least back to 238 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: their ships. And picture this. This is one of those 239 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: flashpoint moments in history. Santa Anna is on horseback, he's 240 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: literally chasing these guys out of town when a cannon 241 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: fires and the shot from the cannon knocks his horse 242 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: out from under him and gets him in the leg. 243 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: It's like, what do they call it? Grape shot? 244 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is kind of like when you think of 245 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: buckshot shotgun shells loaded with like these tiny little ball bearings. 246 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: I guess that just kind of like. 247 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: Spray everywhere, right, but probably larger if it's coming from 248 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: a cannon. 249 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's a massive small metal I mean, 250 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: buckshot's a great description. It's not a good one, a 251 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: pleasant way to go and often bound in canvas. Oh okay, 252 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: so yeah, it's it's ugly. 253 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: It would almost be like a pipe bomb going off, 254 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: you know, that's just spraying shrapnel everywhere. 255 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: And it also stink. The timing of it stinks because 256 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: he pretty much won. Yeah, and there's that parting shot 257 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: sort of like in The Lord of the Rings where 258 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, Gandolf manages to stop the bow rog and 259 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: then at the very end that that crazy lava whip 260 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeap grabs him ye pulls him down into the abyss. 261 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: There you go, ganed off the Santa Anna of Lord 262 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: of the Rings. I like that also very into himself, 263 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: now that I think about it, it's true, but you know, 264 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: with good reason. He earned it, I think so too. 265 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: So what happens, what happens next? They got him out 266 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: of there, right, Yeah, they got him out. But you know, 267 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: we said his leg was wounded, but how how wounded 268 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: was it? Very? 269 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: As it turns out, had they couldn't save the leg. 270 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: They could not save the leg ben it had to 271 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: come off. 272 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: Yeh. So he had his leg removed and he had 273 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: a prosthetic built. But he was still he was still 274 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: in the game. And this this is one of the 275 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: craziest parts of this story. This isn't the craziest craziest part, 276 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: but this is a strange one. So picture this. He 277 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: has he has driven the French out of town, but 278 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: he has not yet won the war. He's one leg down. 279 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: He has a prosthetic and he has his amputated leg 280 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: which has been with him through thick and thin. The 281 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: real leg when it was connected to his body, the 282 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: og leg got it. And pay attention to that leg 283 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: because that's going to come into play later. So right 284 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: now we have two legs. One is prosthetic, one is 285 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: his old original leg not attached to him. What happens 286 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: with the pastry war because he drives frants out, but 287 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: the conflict isn't resolved, and they I think they need 288 00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: some help from British diplomat. 289 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they help out in broker an agreement in which 290 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: Mexican government has to pay that six hundred thousand pays 291 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 2: demand that the French insisted upon, including the cost of 292 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: the pastry shop in question. 293 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: Because that guy's still that's the thing that gets me. 294 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: That guy still lives there. 295 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: He still lives there. Yeah, I don't know. It seems 296 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: like it would be a stretch. But the French forces 297 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: take off and everything for the most part goes back 298 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: to normal. But these guys are going to come to 299 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: heads again later down the line, Like I think in 300 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: the mid eighteen hundreds, there's another conflict that's a. 301 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: Story for another day. 302 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 2: Santa Ana has his og leg buried at his hacienda 303 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: in Vera Cruz. 304 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: But there's more, Yes, there absolutely is. So now he's 305 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: a war hero again, and he is. You know, when 306 00:17:54,880 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: people first have a kid, every conversation inevitably turned into 307 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: something about their baby. The leg he lost in the 308 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: Pastry War is like this baby he just had, and 309 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: he's constantly reminding everyone in Mexico who will listen, that 310 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: he sacrificed his leg. Yeah. 311 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 2: Apparently he would hold his prosthetic leg over his head 312 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 2: during military parades to remind people of the sacrifice that 313 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 2: he made for his beloved country. But so he essentially 314 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 2: returns back to retirement after this pastry War. He did 315 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 2: his duty, he came back out, fought the good fight, 316 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: lost a leg. 317 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he would take it slow after this, Right, 318 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: most people would consider that a warning sign or you know, 319 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: a notification from the universe that perhaps your battle days 320 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: are done. In eighteen forty two, Santana is once again 321 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: the president of Mexico because, as we said, he comes 322 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: in and out several times. 323 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, according to his autobiography, Ana, his autobiography, which 324 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: is just rife with hyperbole. It's a lot of fun. 325 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: It's called the Eagle. It was only sixty two days 326 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 2: after he lost the leg that General Guadalupe Victoria asked 327 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: him at the behest of the government to come back 328 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 2: to the capitol and said that there was a revolution 329 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: brooding and that the government wanted him to take the 330 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: current president, Anastasio Bustamante's place as a temporary president during 331 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: this difficult time. 332 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: And this quote just. 333 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: Really speaks to the megalomania of this gentleman. How well 334 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 2: the people knew me. They knew I would never desert 335 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 2: my principles and would always be on hand when my 336 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: country needed me. I was carried to the capital on 337 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: a litter, like one of those things with the sticks 338 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: in the chair. Right, is that what palaqui? Yeah, exactly, 339 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 2: like some sort of like returning Greek hero or something 340 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 2: like that. Right, carried to the capital on a litter. 341 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 2: Although my trip was made with extreme care, the hardships 342 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: of the journey and the change of climate weakened me. However, 343 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: despite my poor health, poor guy, I assumed the office 344 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 2: of president immediately. 345 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, he assumed the office of president. He also there's 346 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: some speculation that we have to engage in here. Noel, 347 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: he also enjoys the uh, enjoys the pop culture status 348 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: he is acquiring in Mexico. Now he is not only 349 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: a lauded general, he's not only the president. He's also 350 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: a very much a celebrity. And so soon after Santa 351 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: Anna really leans into this celebrity status, he has his 352 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: original his physical leg. Dug up, just take it exhumed yeah, 353 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: from his estate. Uh huh and reburied, but this time 354 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: buried with full military honors. Wait for a yeah, just 355 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: the like, just the leg. Okay. But it was a 356 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: really classy event. No. They had they had orations, they 357 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: had you know, honor guards, they had cannons firing, and 358 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: they had poetry performed written exclusively for this event. In fact, 359 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: ridiculous historians. We have a couple of examples of this. Oh, man, Ben, 360 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: are you gonna do a dramatic reading? 361 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? 362 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: I think you are too. All right, I'll play, I'll 363 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: play you go first. You wanna play these reindeer games? 364 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: Of course? Here is the English translation of a poem 365 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: titled sonnet, and we'll just is it a sonnet or 366 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: a poem? The name of this piece is son. I 367 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: like it? Yeah, such complete triumph. What victory, admirable Santa Anna, 368 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: you have attained politics management, all has changed, Valiant liberal 369 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: for your glory, tremble Scottish rite and enter the dross. 370 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: Consume yourself where all you have lost. Do not dare 371 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: look upon the illustrious hero, be off, We want no 372 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: memory of you. Come, Holy liberty, Come and wrest from 373 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: your toils. What do you have to fear from the tyrants? 374 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: If the free man gives his life for you to God, 375 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: we have sworn his brothers that those that have oppressed you, 376 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: we Mexicans, must wake war upon him. 377 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: All right, Ben, you've ticked the poetry box beautifully. 378 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: Might I add I'm going to give. 379 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: You sort of a little soliloquy, I guess, kind of 380 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: just almost a oration a eulogy ode, yes, exactly, a 381 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 2: eulogy to the leg Why should anyone criticize if a 382 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 2: funeral performed for the foot, arm, or hair of an 383 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: illustrious general passions always tarnish merit with malevolence, and really 384 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: do not wish true merit celebrated. So answer quickly and 385 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: with confidence. Why should we not honor merit in the 386 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: lifeless limb of a great and heroic causio, which was 387 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 2: the Spanish word for a military hero or official. Why 388 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: should anyone criticize to make this fitting obloquy to a 389 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 2: sacrificed limb, not to the man, but to what he 390 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 2: has given fearlessly for the fatherland. It would be unjust, ungrateful, foolish, 391 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: and disloyal to claim it is not lawful or right 392 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: that a lone foot have a tomb or mausoleum, that 393 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: a funeral is performed. I'm gonna skip to the last line. 394 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: Well quick at rejection obliqui is a public criticism or 395 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: verbal abuse. So I' saying it's ridiculous for people to 396 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: say anything bad about this foot. Ah, why would you this? 397 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he's obviously earned it. But I'm in this moment. 398 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip a little bit. 399 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: The last line is what I think is really really 400 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: what sews it up. Did Artemisia not hide the ashes 401 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: of Masilus in her breast? Mausillus being a ruler in 402 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: the fourth century who basically created the notion of a 403 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 2: mausoleum or a giant or a tomb that he had 404 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: erected for himself, but I shall continue. 405 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: And believe this the only remedy. 406 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 2: Here's where it gets good. She did her duty. So 407 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: today Mexico erects a tomb reaching to the sky, covering 408 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 2: with ardent hope, a jewel of history and giving glory 409 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: to the foot, arm or hair. 410 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: We can go ahead and do the polite open mic 411 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: poetry slam fingerclap, which is just snapping your fingers. So, yes, 412 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: it's true. He buried his leg. It reburied it. Rather, 413 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: it was in a crystal vase, tremendously ornate event, and 414 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: people were into it. The thing about it being the 415 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: top dog, however, is that when you're in this king 416 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: of the Hills situation, you don't have a lot of stability. 417 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: In eighteen forty four, public opinion turned against the president. 418 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: People tore down the statues of him. They dug his 419 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: leg up again. Yeah, and then let drag it through 420 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: the streets chanting with the death to the cripple, Oh, 421 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: which is ugly. 422 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 2: What did he do to. 423 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: Earn that kind of public iire? Well, it appears that 424 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: he ruled in a much more dictorial style. Imagine that, Yeah, 425 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: the Napoleon of the West. So they jailed dissidents to 426 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: suppress opposition. You know, there's not a free press. He 427 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: led some unpopular campaigns. He wasn't able to control the 428 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: elections of eighteen forty two, and a lot of the 429 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: folks who were elected at that time were vigorously against 430 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: the kind of policies he was pursuing. He also raised taxes. 431 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: It's always a dicey move if you were at the 432 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: levers of power. Several Mexican states just stopped dealing with 433 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: the central government. They declared themselves independent. So eventually he 434 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: tries to flee the country in December of eighteen forty four, 435 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: but he is unsuccessful. He is apprehended near Zeko Vera, Cruz, 436 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: and he is imprisoned. He is exiled to Cuba. When 437 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: is this It's January of eighteen forty five when he's caught. 438 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: Oh okay, So I think what happened was when the 439 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: tied public opinion turned against him. It was basically a 440 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: full rebellion, and he did his damnedas to squash this rebellion, 441 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: but it obviously did not work out for him, and 442 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 2: he ended up being exiled. Correct, Yeah, yeah, okay. But 443 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 2: during this time, there's a quote from his autobiography that 444 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: I just love, he says this. Speaking of criticism or 445 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: mockery of his fake leg, he says, stop, I don't 446 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 2: wish to hear any more, Almighty God, a member of 447 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 2: my body lost in the service of my country, dragged 448 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 2: from the funeral urn, broken into bits to be made 449 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: sport of in such a barbaric manner. 450 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: Boy, you're laying it on thick there. Yeah, that's the 451 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: benefit of writing from retrospect. And of course everybody is 452 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: the main character of their own story, right. 453 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 2: So that's kind of where we lose track of the 454 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 2: real leg. But this is sort of just the beginning 455 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: of the story of the fake leg. This is the 456 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 2: that was the first leg of the episode. This is 457 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 2: the second leg of the episode. Ben, Yeah, thank you 458 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 2: for bringing it back. 459 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: Here we are. So he would die, one would imagine 460 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: in exile in Cuba. However, that is not what happened. 461 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: You see, the United States declared war against Mexico in 462 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: eighteen forty six, and this famous one legged general is 463 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: called back to serve his country in the Mexican American War. 464 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: It is keep pulling him back, yeah, And so during 465 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: the Battle of Cerro Gordo, in eighteen forty seven, another 466 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: leg related incident occurs, and Noel, you wanted to explore 467 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: this historical event through the use of a clip an 468 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: excerpt from a show that you say is very important 469 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: and personally close to you. That is King of the Hill. Yeah. 470 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: King of the Hill is my happy place show. I'm 471 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 2: really sad that it's not on any of the streaming 472 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: services anymore. But I was able to dig this up 473 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 2: from a DVD that I have of this particular season. 474 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 2: The episode is called the Final shin Salt and it 475 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: opens with Peggy Hill as a substitute teacher because as 476 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: we know, that's what Peggy Hill does of her son 477 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: Bobby's history class, Texas history. And they're doing a little 478 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: play that sums up this very event. 479 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: So you just play it, right, Yeah, let's do it now. 480 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 4: In preparation for our field trip, your classmates are going 481 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 4: to act out a little known episode of Mexican American history. 482 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 4: The year is eighteen forty seven. 483 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 5: General Santa Anna I led the Mexican army at the 484 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 5: Almo where we defeated Texas. We are at the Battle 485 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 5: of Sarah Gordo eleven years later, and we are hungry sir, 486 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 5: I will hold your artificial leg while. 487 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 4: You eat chicken. 488 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: Attack. 489 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 5: Look out, it's the Illinois Volunteer Infantry up on. 490 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: General. 491 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: I stole your fake leg. 492 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 4: Oh well, that was beautiful. That was just inspired. 493 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, need we say more? I guess not. 494 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: So there's a little artistic license with that particular clip. 495 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: But the way I've read it is that Santa Ana 496 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: knew that the Illinois soldiers were approaching, and he hastily retreated, 497 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: leaving his carriage abandoned, complete with. 498 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: His half eaten roasted chicken, about eighteen thousand dollars in 499 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: gold in gold, and one more thing, yep, his fake leg. 500 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: So this prosthetic leg becomes a trophy piece. People were 501 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: flocking to county fairs to pay a little bit of 502 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: money to get a peek at this relic, and eventually 503 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: it fell into the possession of the Illinois State Military Museum. 504 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I guess they were the ones that the 505 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: soldiers from Illinois were the ones what got it. It 506 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 2: seems a little odd though, that it would end up 507 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: in Illinois, considering that Texas had much more of a 508 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 2: close connection with General Santa Anna and his memorabilia. 509 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: Right, right, and in the recent years, even unto the 510 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: modern day, this possession of Santa Anna's leg has become controversial. 511 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 1: So in Texas in the modern day, several groups of 512 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: people are petitioning Illinois to return the leg, the prosthetic 513 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: leg of Santa Ana to Texas. You can read about 514 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: this in the Chicago Tribune. You can read about this 515 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: in the museum site itself. But it does seem unusual, 516 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: doesn't it that it would end up in Illinois, of 517 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: all places, simply because the people who originally captured the 518 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: leg were themselves from Illinois. It's true, it's actually. 519 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 2: This is a museum in Texas called the Sanya Sinto 520 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: Museum of History that has tons of Santa Ana memorabilia. 521 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: They have like a glove, and they have like silverware 522 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 2: that he left behind during the Battle of Sanya Sinto, plates, 523 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: all kinds of things related to this historical figure. But 524 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 2: what they don't have and would very much like to have, 525 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 2: is that fake leg. But Illinois is not giving it 526 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: up anytime soon. 527 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: No, unfortunately for the people wish to see it returned. 528 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: The directors the management of both the museum and the 529 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: Illinois Department of Military Affairs are not budging. Colonel Brad Layton, 530 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: the public affairs director of the Illinois Department of Military 531 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: Affairs as recently as two thousand and sixteen, said when 532 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: asked if they would ever return this leg to Texas, 533 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: he said, the answer is no. We paid for that 534 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: leg with Illinois blood, and so Nola. There's another quote 535 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: that you found from the same King of the Hill episode, 536 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: the Final shin Salt, and in this clip we can see. 537 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: This clip's a little bit different because they're taking a 538 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: sort of an alternative universe approach, but we can see 539 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: how many people would react to the mention of Santa Anna's. 540 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: Leg, especially a grizzled Texas war hero like Grandpa Hill Cotton, 541 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: one of my favorite characters in the show. 542 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: Here we go, h Hank. 543 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 4: That reminds me we need some chaperones for Bobby's class trip. 544 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 5: We're kind of taking Bobby Vegas. 545 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: There's a general and exhibit at the museum. We didn't 546 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: play about him in school, and I was one of 547 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: his privates. 548 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I know all about Santy Anny. We got 549 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 5: his walking law under glass. Neil Noise, I'm glad to. 550 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 4: Say, actually, Cotton, the leg is coming through Arlend America 551 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 4: is finally returning the leg to Mexico. 552 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: What take it easy, Dad, Take it easy, you see, Bobby. 553 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 5: Your dadis generations giving away everything we fought them. Pennym 554 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 5: off the nail, Mexican legs. You people give back down 555 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 5: these papers that you have him. 556 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: And while the real life prosthetic is not traveling to Mexico, 557 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: or at least not as we record this, the clip 558 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: does a decent job of depicting the emotions involved. And 559 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: now the Lake Storre means in Illinois and the people 560 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,959 Speaker 1: who could return it to Texas are categorically against it, 561 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: so it looks set to stay there. Yeah. It's also 562 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: Mexico wants it back. 563 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 2: All the while Santa Ana, even during his life, was 564 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 2: petitioning to get it back, and Mexico has continued to 565 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 2: ask for it back. You can kind of see why 566 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: Illinois would be so fond of the leg. They went 567 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 2: so far as to name one of their cities after 568 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 2: the Battle of Sarah Gordo, which took place in Mexico, 569 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 2: Sarah Gordo, which means fat hill. 570 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, and at this point I'm probably wondering what 571 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: happens to Santa Ana. After he has lost his leg 572 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: that he spends, you know, much of his later life 573 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: petitioning to have returned. From eighteen fifty five to eighteen 574 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: seventy four, he lived in exile in various parts of 575 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: the world, in Cuba, Columbia, the United States, the island 576 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,919 Speaker 1: of Saint Thomas. A lot of Napoleon analogs here right right, 577 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: like Saint Helena and Elba. He had left. He being 578 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: Santa Ana, had left Mexico due to his unpopularity. After 579 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: his defeat in eighteen forty eight. He participated in different 580 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:22,439 Speaker 1: gambling businesses and other industries, hoping that he would become rich. 581 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: Oh we didn't even talk about his marriages, did you 582 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,919 Speaker 1: know what? He had a habit of marrying wealthy teenage 583 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: women for the for the financial benefits, like heiresses. Kind 584 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: of yeah. And one of the one of the legends 585 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: is that during one of his weddings, he didn't show 586 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: up to the ceremonies. What a piece of work. I 587 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: guess he was busy. He could work it. I mean, 588 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: you know, everybody knows scheduling is tough for anything. Well, 589 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: so one of the things he did in his later 590 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: life in the eighteen fifty he brought the first shipment 591 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: of chickle to New York. Chickley is Gum. Yeah, we 592 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: helped introduce chewing gum to the United States. He originally 593 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: intended it to be used in tires, which makes sense, 594 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: you know at the time. But he had hoped that 595 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: he could hang out with his friend, an inventor named 596 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: Thomas Adams, and create a rubber substitute, which a lot 597 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: of people were looking for in this day and age, 598 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: and unfortunately they could not use the chickle a in 599 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: that application. However, Adams figured out that if he added 600 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: flavorings and sweeteners to the plant, to the chickl he 601 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: could create quote rubber chewing gum, and the company that 602 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: Adams started would become one of the largest in the 603 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: United States, rivaled only by that of William Wrigley Junior 604 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: of Wrigley Gum. A good juicy fruit Yeah, oddly enough, 605 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've mentioned it on this show, 606 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: but you know, juicy fruit is an entirely manufactured flavor. 607 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't exist. Yeah. They made it up synthetically and 608 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: that's why it's not That's why it is not tied 609 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 1: to any specific fruit flavor. 610 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's still you know, it has the waft 611 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 2: of a fruit like flavor. Right, yeah, last thing only 612 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 2: because we we skipped it. 613 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: We probably should have brought this up earlier. 614 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 2: Apparently the Illinois Infantry, the fourth Illinois Infantry, actually captured 615 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 2: as an additional Santa Ana leg. 616 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: That's true. Yes, yeah, we should mention that. 617 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the one that people think about and get 618 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 2: all worked up about is you know, the full Monty 619 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 2: cork manufactured prosthetic. But that one would have been probably 620 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 2: a little more difficult to put on. So as a secondary, 621 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 2: as a backup, he also had something of a more 622 00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 2: humble peg leg and apparently Lieutenant Abner double Day like 623 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 2: to use it as a baseball bat. And it's on 624 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 2: display right here in our town of Atlanta Decatur, in fact, 625 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 2: at the former governor's mansion, Oglesby Mansion. 626 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: So we should check that out. We should do a 627 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: field trip, and we should also bid adieu to Antonio 628 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 1: Lopez de Santa Ana. What a winding and twisted story 629 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: this one was. Now there is a good dating, at 630 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: least on a personal level. In eighteen seventy four, under 631 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: the terms of a general amnesty, he was able to 632 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: return home to Mexico. His vision had deteriorated to a 633 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: extreme degree due to the development of cataracts. He was 634 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: largely dismissed or ignored by the government of the time, 635 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: and he hadn't been in politics since eighteen fifty five. Eventually, 636 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: he passed away at his home in Mexico City in 637 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy six, at the age of eighty two. He 638 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,280 Speaker 1: was buried in a glass coffin. That's cool, like snow white, 639 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,479 Speaker 1: and imagine, you know, for someone who lives a such 640 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: a violent life and war, it's it's kind of like 641 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 1: winning the lottery to die in peace at your own home. 642 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 2: Not to mention at eighty two, Yeah, life expectancy back 643 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 2: in those days was was not not near that in 644 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,919 Speaker 2: two have you know life expectancy for soldiers of course, yeah, 645 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 2: but just in general, right, I mean, you know, pretty 646 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 2: pretty impressive that he made it that far and had 647 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 2: gone through so much intense stuff. 648 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's not that's it's not a happy ending exactly, 649 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: but it's it's a little dignity for this mavericky, complex 650 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: peacock of a man. Yeah, it's it's bittersweet, but it 651 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: is peaceful and that's the you know, there's nothing wrong 652 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: with that. You can't be angry at that. However, however, 653 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 1: you can visit Illinois, you can visit Atlanta, and you 654 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: can see these legs in person if you would like 655 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 1: to check out, at least in the case of Illinois, 656 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: a relic that traveled the United States as a tourist attraction. 657 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 1: If you do happen to go there, please send us 658 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: some photos. I would like to see it, if you 659 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: could take a selfie in front of the leg. And 660 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,240 Speaker 1: I know this brings us back to the earlier question 661 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: that we explored in the Corpses in the Diorama episode, 662 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: which is about ownership and ethics in museum collections. What 663 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: do you think quotes? Should Illinois retain possession of this leg? 664 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 1: Does it belong in Mexico? Does it belong in Texas? 665 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: Does it belong somewhere else? And if so, why let 666 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 1: us know. You can find us on Instagram, You can 667 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: find us on Twitter. You can check out our Facebook 668 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: page Ridiculous Historians, where you can meet your fellow listeners, 669 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,439 Speaker 1: and you can also find myself. You can find cases. 670 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: You can find nol jumping in commenting on some threads lurk. 671 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: I still haven't posted. I still have and post a 672 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: response to his favorite historical jerk. 673 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 2: And apparently we're going to get some glamour shots of 674 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 2: Casey during his lucrative child modeling career when he returns 675 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 2: from Fronts. 676 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: Which is a true story. I can't wait to see. 677 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see who his fake dad is. 678 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Yeah, he's got a thing. He was 679 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: telling us about that off air. So thank you as 680 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,760 Speaker 1: always very much for listening. Thank you to our super 681 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: producer Casey Pegrim. Thank you to our guest producer Eaton Brown. 682 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: Give me a high five. Yeah that we'll fix it 683 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: in posts now, that's good. That was the sound of camaraderie. 684 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: And of course thank you to Alex Williams who can 685 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: post our track. Thank you to our awesome researcher Christopher Hasi. 686 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 2: Ortis, and thank you to you for being you and 687 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 2: being the best you that you could possibly be and 688 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 2: listening to ridiculous history. 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