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Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: and Rhett.

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Speaker 2: Back together after a full week there in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: Buck, it's great to see you. How are you doing,

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Speaker 3: my friend, man, I'm doing okay. But first let me

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Speaker 3: ask you how you're doing. Because one of your mentors

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, look at Rhett had had a

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Speaker 2: So I'll let Rhett follow on this one and tell

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Speaker 6: I mean he was a baseball guy, you know, early

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Speaker 6: Now if you think he knew football, knew baseball too,

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Speaker 4: Knew about more. But man, he loves he covered.

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Speaker 6: So I just I loved I love spending time with him.

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Speaker 5: That's great, man, But those are great stories.

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Speaker 2: Eight tackles was the record, and I think it was

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Speaker 5: I absolutely agree with you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and look at it does feel.

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Speaker 6: I mean, all the guys that you guys have that

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Speaker 6: I might go into first fifteen picks, right, DJ, All

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Speaker 5: He was so he was the best show.

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Speaker 4: He was going the first round.

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Speaker 1: It's a difference now with him to the point where

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Speaker 1: You can make a case he's the best off on

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not gonna you're not going to compare

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he absolutely can.

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Speaker 3: And the funny thing is like coming into the year,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Faga is aced another test surprise surprise. I

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Speaker 2: Alt is literally a giant. He is almost six eight

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Speaker 2: But Fuaga, I think his tape is a little bit better.

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Speaker 6: And the only thing that I would that I would

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Speaker 4: And it feels like Fashan who's fighting for three at

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Speaker 2: That's kind of what it feels like to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that you're gonna have a fascinating discussion between

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Speaker 5: All that stuff.

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Speaker 6: And largest hands of any human at the Combine this year,

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Speaker 5: I think this dude benefits from it. There's so many guys.

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Speaker 5: Jason laid down the list.

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Speaker 1: Going, had a good workout. He had a really good workout.

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Speaker 5: No question. All right, let's uh, let's uh take a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's that is a good point to

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Speaker 5: At a point of attack. He has that. Uh, the

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Speaker 3: Do you want him to be out there moving or whatever,

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Speaker 3: The ones that we're playing six one, six two is

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Speaker 1: the train moving here.

442
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Speaker 2: Sure we have the offensive line tight end wise, I'll

443
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Speaker 2: be honest, there's a couple of solid workouts there coming

444
00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,399
Speaker 2: off the heels of last year. You knew this was

445
00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,960
Speaker 2: coming right. Last year was a historic tight end class.

446
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,320
Speaker 2: This is uh, this is one of the leaner tight

447
00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,280
Speaker 2: end groups that I can remember well.

448
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Speaker 6: And look, I thought, I thought Bensonnant from from Kansas

449
00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,120
Speaker 6: State did a nice job.

450
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,520
Speaker 4: And then you know we Bucky and I kind of

451
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,400
Speaker 4: knew it based off the week that we saw from.

452
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Speaker 6: Him at the shrine. Well, but tip Ryman we knew

453
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,520
Speaker 6: was going to test pretty well. Yeah, I don't think

454
00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,400
Speaker 6: a lot of people thought that at two hundred and seven.

455
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Speaker 6: Now Here's there's the thing. Fred the sled is very

456
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,440
Speaker 6: glad to see tip Ryman leave Indianapolis. Yes, he's the

457
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:23,560
Speaker 6: only one who couldn't move him.

458
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,359
Speaker 4: That's it. He's the only one that moved it.

459
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Speaker 5: Now.

460
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Speaker 6: The thing that I was a little disappointed with his

461
00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,439
Speaker 6: hands did not look very natural to me, like he

462
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 6: was shooting his hands.

463
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 5: They don't throw them the ball. That's probably why.

464
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,360
Speaker 4: That's probably why.

465
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,080
Speaker 6: So I'd love to see him catch the ball a

466
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,080
Speaker 6: little bit better and look, with Bowers not working out,

467
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 6: like you knew it was going to be a little

468
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 6: less than from the tight end.

469
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Speaker 4: Spot, right.

470
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Speaker 6: But I thought those two guys, like I was like,

471
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Speaker 6: all right, Johnson. Of course the athleticism.

472
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,000
Speaker 2: His his athleticism stuff was matched up with Jimmy Graham

473
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Speaker 2: in terms of the athleticism. But Buck, I question for

474
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,440
Speaker 2: you the the fact that so many teams are playing

475
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 2: with the sixth offensive lineman, like it is that hasn't grown.

476
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,199
Speaker 2: I have to pull the numbers, but you see more

477
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,920
Speaker 2: and more of it every year. I almost feel like

478
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 2: it's kind of the elimination of the blocking tight end.

479
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

480
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, the extra time allows you to keep another offensive

481
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 1: lineman up on game day.

482
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:13,719
Speaker 5: Yeah you know.

483
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,199
Speaker 3: Like here's the thing. I kind of credit Sean Payton

484
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 3: for doing that way back, like doing their championship years

485
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 3: or whatever. They always had the extra He didn't even

486
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 3: fake it, like, hey, look I'm just gonna put the

487
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 3: six offensive lineman out there.

488
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 5: You guys know it.

489
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,640
Speaker 3: Uh, if we do pass it to be a three

490
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,640
Speaker 3: man route and make it happen. But there is something too.

491
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 3: Instead of trying to bang her head on, trying to

492
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Speaker 3: find a guy that is the hybrid that is half

493
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 3: offensive tackle half wide receiver. Let's just put another offensive

494
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 3: tackle there, and I think it will allow these other

495
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,439
Speaker 3: guys to play a role that is more suited to

496
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 3: their talents as a flex or an HVAC tight end

497
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,400
Speaker 3: tight no doubt.

498
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Speaker 5: Let's let's work outside here. Let's get to the wide receivers. Right.

499
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Speaker 2: I'll hit it over to you first. Just I mean,

500
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Speaker 2: obviously we had the worthy worthy, but I mean we

501
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's all been touched on and said.

502
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 2: But outside of the worthy forty, what struck you the

503
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: most from that?

504
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 6: Ladd McConkie best in show. Ladi mcconke was so good.

505
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 6: I thought, you know, he also benefited. I think the

506
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 6: rest of his group was a little subpar. Running the routes. Now, look,

507
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 6: you know ad Ni Mitchell, you know put up, you know,

508
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 6: athletic freak right with the numbers. But then I was like,

509
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 6: I was watching him run the routes and I was like,

510
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 6: what's you know, Troy Franklin running the routes.

511
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 4: I was like this, this doesn't feel right now, you know,

512
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 4: I understand.

513
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 6: How those guys were used, especially Franklin, like he wants

514
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 6: to get down the field, looked a little bit uncomfortable

515
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 6: in some of the other stuff that they were asking

516
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 6: him to do running the routes. But I thought, I

517
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 6: feel really good about McConkie being the fifth wide receiver

518
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 6: off the board in this draft, like just and then

519
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 6: him run four thretey nine, like we were talking about it, right,

520
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 6: if he goes four to four, Watch out.

521
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 4: He went four thirty nine.

522
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Speaker 1: You see that though, like he I mean, people that

523
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: were thinking he was gonna run the four five, I'm like, well,

524
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 1: you didn't really look at him then he wanted that.

525
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, obviously the injury history is something to watch there.

526
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 6: But him and Pierce all with their athletic profile, Oh,

527
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 6: there you goility.

528
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 5: There you go, there you go. That's the one.

529
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Speaker 3: If you can't if you can't get mcgonki, then Pearsaw

530
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 3: is gonna be right there. And I think we've talked

531
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Speaker 3: about like how you you you break the position down

532
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: as terms of specialists. I think both of those guys

533
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: in terms of being able to get in this particularly Piersol,

534
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 3: they're gonna wear people out and Red You talked about

535
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 3: mcconkey's athleticism, how flawless the positional drills were. I think

536
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 3: you can say the same thing for pearsol piersol Is

537
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 3: is really polished, really patient, does a great job of

538
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: getting in and out of his routes, and then when

539
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 3: you put down that four to four one time that

540
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 3: he clocked. I just believe, like it's funny we talk

541
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 3: about supplying demand the supply of wide receivers each and

542
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 3: every year. It's crazy and I believe this. And we'll

543
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 3: have this on a on a later podcast. With the

544
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: wide receiver numbers going up to like thirty million dollars.

545
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 3: I do wonder if some teams are going to start

546
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 3: opting for a little bit of that Green Bay Packer approach, like, hey,

547
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 3: that's been the first round, the second.

548
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 5: Third round, we may get it. Maybe one of.

549
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: These guys pop and we'll just keep cycling it out

550
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 3: because man, like fifteen white House there we can point

551
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 3: to and be like, oh yeah, he's a good player.

552
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's a good player. Oh yeah, he's a

553
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 5: good player. It just changes.

554
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 3: It's just gonna change the evaluation in terms of the

555
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 3: value of the position because you can get so many

556
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: of these guys, uh yeah, throughout the course of the draft.

557
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: That's why when you know, you take what you see

558
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: here and you you try and apply it to the draft.

559
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: And I look at teams like if you look at

560
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: five with the Chargers, you look at six with the Giants,

561
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 2: those teams, you could make a tackle case and a

562
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 2: receiver case, and it's gonna be it's gonna make for

563
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 2: It's gonna make for five half in the draft, guys,

564
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: because you're gonna be able to sit up there and

565
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: say package A package B, assuming you know the Giants

566
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 2: don't move up for a quarterback, what have you. But

567
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: you're looking at you know, what are those options look like?

568
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: What tackle you looking at in the second round versus

569
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: what receiver? And it could you know it's in It'd

570
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: be fascinating to be in the draft because you know, look, hey,

571
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 2: if it's ties ties, okay, I might lean in this position.

572
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: But I think you're gonna be in a position where

573
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 2: you have like a six ' nine grade on a

574
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 2: receiver and like a six ' five or six seven

575
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: grade on a tackle, and you're gonna have to say, man, like, technically,

576
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 2: we're not taking the best player available if we take

577
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: the tackle here, but we're acknowledging the depth of the

578
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: receivers that we can get all throughout the draft. It's

579
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 2: gonna be It's a that's a debate, man, that's in.

580
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 6: The baton shipness of the tackle spot right harder to Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.

581
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: Like, but you said these receivers are so dang expensive

582
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: now too that it's like if I know, like, I

583
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: don't know what you guys, tell you guys, tell me

584
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: your opinion.

585
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: But I've Roma Dunzay is my guy. I've established that,

586
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you watch everything that he did. I've

587
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 2: never had more people unsolicited from teams as well as

588
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: media mattergers be like, dude, that might be the classiest dude.

589
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: Like you talk about handling yourself with class, Like Roma

590
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: Dunza is that in spades.

591
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Speaker 5: And then it goes out there. He's a pro.

592
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: He nails his interviews. He goes out there runs four

593
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: four five at two hundred and twelve pounds, which I

594
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: know he was disappointed because in training he's been running

595
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: the high four threes. But that's a big man like

596
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: that who's ultra ultra competitive and smart, and I'm.

597
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know, by the way, I know.

598
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: The only thing on that that was different is like

599
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: they they were making him do it over again because

600
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: either the hand went down or nick cone or whatever,

601
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 2: like you don't get the option. Like for those that

602
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: don't know, like you don't get to choose. I want

603
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: to do the three cone you know twenty times? No,

604
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: that's time that works two times a year. Yeah, but

605
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: if you fault, they'll let you keep going.

606
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: Which one of them there was a little bit of

607
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: controversy because it was like, I don't think he faulted.

608
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: I think they just they blew the whistle. I don't

609
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: know if they didn't get the time. You know, sometimes

610
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: you miss the time, You're.

611
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 2: Like, oh, you gotta do that again? Like why why

612
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: do I have to do that again? Well, I'm not

613
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: going to tell you I didn't get the number, so.

614
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 5: I've got to stop to watch. Yeah, yeah, use your error.

615
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: But anyways, to me, I'm just like, man, if I'm

616
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: a GM and I'm a first year GM, or I'm

617
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: you know, I want to hit putt to hit the airway, man,

618
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: like you aren't missing on that, dude, Like that's that's

619
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: as safe and solid as it gets. The other one, Hey,

620
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: let's let's give real quick. I think this dude had

621
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 2: more ride on it than anybody else.

622
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 5: Not.

623
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: Some reps were looking at quarterbacks in our coverage, so

624
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 2: I can't see the receiver of the route. So maybe

625
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: you guys can fill in the gaps here for me.

626
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: But by my eyes, when I saw him out there,

627
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: tes Walker caught the ball after after a senior bowl

628
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: where he couldn't catch anything. It looked like a man

629
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: who needed it more than anybody else, had a solid

630
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 2: day catching the ball, and he ran.

631
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 5: He knew he was gonna run and jump out of

632
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 5: the gym. Yeah, go ahead, Buck.

633
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think that's the thing and see that

634
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: that sometimes can be the thing about like all Star games,

635
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: Like you see guys and you talk about the nerves

636
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 3: and anxiety, and sometimes it can overwhelm those guys.

637
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 5: And so you have to go back and leand the tape.

638
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 3: When you watched him at North Carolina, this guy good,

639
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: He could make it. It wasn't it wasn't hard for him,

640
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 3: Like it was very easy when it came to catching.

641
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: So it was good to see him, uh in this

642
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: environment that had more pressure on him kind of come

643
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 3: through and deliver. But I mean, yet again, we just

644
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: talked about how crowded this wide receiver class is at

645
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: a time when everyone's going to be looking for the

646
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 3: next looking to Kua, somebody's going to fall into a

647
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 3: player that lands on day three. It has no business

648
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: being a day three play. And I'm not saying that

649
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: tis wark is that. I'm just saying that so many

650
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: wide receivers are available that on the third day there's

651
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of guys that kind of you

652
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: kind of scoop up.

653
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 5: And then when they play in the fall how did.

654
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 3: This guy get to the fourth round? How do you

655
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: get to the fifth round? I think there'd be a

656
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 3: lot of that that that conversation.

657
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: The other one, the other one rat real quick and

658
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: then hit to hit your thought.

659
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 5: But the I don't know if you guys have this.

660
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: I have this every year where there's a guy that

661
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah on the tape and then I get

662
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: to the All Star Game and I'm like, move them

663
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: up a little bit.

664
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: He's a little bit better than I thought. Then they

665
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: go to the combine, I'm like, move them up a

666
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: little bit more. I don't know that anybody traveled further

667
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: from what my fall grade is to what it's going

668
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: to be coming out of the combine and Luke McCaffrey.

669
00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 4: Yeah it looks really good. Now, yeah, yeah, good work out.

670
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 5: He was.

671
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 6: He is a pleaser, right, he wants to he wants

672
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 6: to get better. And so like I remember Chris Carter

673
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 6: was down there when uh, you know, the receivers were running.

674
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 6: Every time that Luke finished a rep, he goes, cec,

675
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 6: how did look?

676
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 4: Look how we do?

677
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 6: Like no alarms? Keep working good, keep getting the back

678
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 6: of line, keep going. Man, it's gonna be all right,

679
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 6: you know, you know, to check in every rep.

680
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 5: I love it.

681
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 6: I love but he was faster than Christian, right, and

682
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 6: he's got that like I'll make one of those wow.

683
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 5: Those edges Senior Bowl.

684
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, so there's yeah. I like I think he could be.

685
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 6: He could end up like this year's Pooka Nakua type.

686
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 6: You know, if he gets in there on day three,

687
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 6: you know a guy that that makes it.

688
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: I think that's where he is. I think he goes

689
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: early on day three. But I mean that was somebody

690
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: who I thought, you know, I thought kind of fringe

691
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: draftable on the tape. I didn't love him, and then

692
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: you watch him for a week at the Senior Bowl.

693
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, he's better than that. Okay, I'm too low

694
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: on him. And then you come out of the combine,

695
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: you watch him run, you watch him move around. I'm like,

696
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: he's yeah plus plus family business. There's a lot of

697
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: family business, uh players in this from.

698
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 5: From so many different angles. Yeah, family business.

699
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: I mean he has it all in space, Yes he does.

700
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: On Allison didn't work out, he was families to go ahead.

701
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 6: You guys that I heard some buzz on down on

702
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 6: the field, you know, from just you know evaluators that

703
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 6: were standing around. Was Anthony Gold from Morgan State, ran

704
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 6: really fast.

705
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: Who had the return in the East West game?

706
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: East West?

707
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, Red always points out the ten yard spin

708
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 5: move he.

709
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 6: Started finished it strives that that long. I don't know

710
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 6: what the deal anyway. And then Xavier Lagette from South Carolina,

711
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 6: you know, runs four three not big physical dude running

712
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 6: four three nine, And I think he could have done

713
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 6: a little bit better in the in the field drills.

714
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 6: But I think the athletic profile, you know, kind of

715
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 6: definitely you know, raise some eyebrows there in a good

716
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 6: way with with what he some of the times that

717
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 6: he put up.

718
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff, man. The other thing, and I'll wrap

719
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: it up on this on the white outs. If I'm

720
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: a team, I'm kind of stoked that Malachi Corley couldn't

721
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: work out because I think he was going to run

722
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: in the high four threes. He had a great week

723
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, and everybody jumping almost like let's

724
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: this let's let's calm this down, simmer this down a

725
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 1: little bit and see if I can't make him up

726
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: in the bottom of the second round.

727
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 4: Maybe awesome interview.

728
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: By the way his tapes, I mean, he's just all

729
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: just run after catches, getting his hands and go.

730
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: But anyways, we'll have to wait for his his proa

731
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: to see him do his thing. All right, Let's get

732
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: to the running backs. Look, this is not a highly

733
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: acclaimed position, but I thought there's some intriguing guys. I mean,

734
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: look Trey Benson running, you know, almost identical time to

735
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: Breeze Hall was was impressive as a big big back.

736
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: But to me, Marshawn Lloyd, he just hits every marker

737
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: for me, like when you watch him. I liked him

738
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: at USC in the fall. I thought he had a

739
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: great week at the Senior Bowl and practice catching the ball,

740
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: all those things, and then out here he ran what

741
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: low four fours and uh and move around really really

742
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: well through the drills bucks. So I don't know, He's

743
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: one of those ones to me that if I'm looking

744
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: for a running back, you know, probably somewhere on day

745
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: two i'd be in the Marshaw Lloyd business.

746
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: You know.

747
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 5: It's funny, Djay.

748
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: One of the benefits of watching the drills is people

749
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: always put a lot on the forty time right, and

750
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: you look at the forty time you see people running

751
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: straight line.

752
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 5: But the game for running backs is not in a

753
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 5: straight line.

754
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: It's about being able to do the stuff that the

755
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: running back coaches put them through when they're navigating over

756
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: the bags and making.

757
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 5: Quick cuts in those things.

758
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: So when you look at a guy like Marshaun Lloyd,

759
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 3: when you watch that part of his workout, man, it

760
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: was really good, just really good in terms of the

761
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 3: pitter patter, the balance to be able to get in

762
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 3: and out and do all those things.

763
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 5: I like him.

764
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: And then when you go back and you talk about

765
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: the tape, the tape is really solid. And I think

766
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: for the running back class this year, it's not about

767
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: finding the RB one. It's about finding the right puzzle

768
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: piece to fit the puzzle that you have in your backfield.

769
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: For some teams, that's gonna be the big banging back.

770
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: For other teams, it's gonna be the fast scat bag

771
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: like a Bucky Urvin. And for other teams, it's gonna

772
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: be the guy that can just maneuver and be what

773
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: we call that off speed pitch that change the pace

774
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: back that is able to do it in a variety

775
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: of ways.

776
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 5: Lloyd can do that, and I also.

777
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: Think a guy from Michigan, Blake Korm can do that

778
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: because his balance, his ability to kind of navigate and

779
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: jump cut and do those things. To me, that is

780
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: a big time running back in terms of his workout

781
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: and what he has. He just doesn't have the long

782
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: speed and some of the other stuff that normally would

783
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: make you package him as an RB one.

784
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 2: All right, hold on, Red, I'm texting Bucky the name

785
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: you're gonna mention right now, Buck, look at your phone.

786
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: All right, this is not Frank, This is no no,

787
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: this is no previous conversation.

788
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm just going to rely on my instincts. Then, I'm

789
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: just gonna rely on my instincts for.

790
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 5: Sure, one one hundred percent.

791
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 4: Go ahead, you want to talk we're read Rendo.

792
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 5: One hundred percent Corenda.

793
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

794
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 6: So first off, first off, just to follow up on Bucky,

795
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 6: I know, Blake Koram might have been the best box

796
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 6: checker of the group.

797
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 5: He wrote he was the best.

798
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: He was actually the best, and he ran faster than

799
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: people thought he would run exactly.

800
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 6: The forty time. Was a huge win for him because

801
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 6: that was obviously the question. You know, he gets hawked

802
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 6: a lot of times, you know, beyond fifteen yards running

803
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 6: down the field, but you give him the ball inside

804
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 6: the five yard line, that dude's gonna score, right, That's

805
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 6: just that's one hundred percent. Yeah, So I thought to me, like, overall,

806
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 6: Trey Benson was probably the best, probably the best working

807
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 6: through the field drills and then running the four to

808
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 6: three nine with those tree trunk lower halves that he has.

809
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 6: But yeah, Grindo is an interesting one because you know,

810
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 6: I remember, you know, watching IU play Louisville in person.

811
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 6: I was like, holy smoked, you are Jordan is a

812
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 6: home run hitter, right, I mean, like this dude can go.

813
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 6: You get him out in space, out of the perimeter

814
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,239
Speaker 6: and he is gone. And we didn't see a lot

815
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 6: of Grindo in that game, he returned some kicks and

816
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 6: we didn't see a lot of them at Wisconsin right

817
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 6: in four years there playing behind some big backs, and

818
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 6: then you kind of dig into him a little bit.

819
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 6: The best game of his career was the final game

820
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 6: he played, which was a Bowl game. You watched that

821
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 6: da You're like, this dude's got some pop, Like he

822
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 6: can move. We saw it in the Shrine Bowl a

823
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 6: little bit. And then he goes and runs four three three,

824
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 6: and you know he's a ten to five hundred meters guy.

825
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: You know that's legit.

826
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 6: And he jumps. He jumps well too. To me, like,

827
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 6: I'd move Grendo. I don't know where Juwar Jordan was going,

828
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 6: but I'd have Grendo ahead of Jumar Jordan.

829
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, just a much bigger dude.

830
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 4: Yeah at two hundred and twenty one pounds.

831
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, that was an interesting one.

832
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: And then we didn't get a chance obviously, Jonathan Brooks

833
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: coming off injury, didn't get a chance to see him.

834
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: Brayln Allen did not run a forty, So you know

835
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: there's some other guys, will Shipley, I was kind of

836
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing m Yeah. I couldn't couldn't run

837
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: so seven hurt. Yeah, that hurt.

838
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 5: That hurts.

839
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: I mean I already kind of dropped him down, but

840
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: I mean, like you watched the n C State game.

841
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 2: He's got an eighty yard run that NC State game.

842
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: I thought, look, I didn't think he was a Blazer,

843
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: but I thought he would run like four five seven,

844
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: four eight. You know that's tough. That's you know, when

845
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: you look at that card, it can be kind of

846
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: tough too, uh tough to buy there.

847
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 5: I'll give you.

848
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: One one example of why I think the numbers are

849
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: fascinating here and uh and we'll keep it moving, but

850
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: I we'll get to the defense on the next episode.

851
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: But we were having this conversation about uh like kind

852
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: of like markers, right, think about this Terry and Arnold

853
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: was was this close to being six foot one ninety

854
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: with thirty two inch arms with a four to four

855
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: nine forty So buck, as you know the card up

856
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: on the wall when you see everything, he's a six

857
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: foot corner, he's one hundred and ninety pounds, he's got

858
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: thirty two inch arms, and he ran a four to

859
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: fort nine. Like that's a good looking card. Instead, he

860
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: was five to one one six one eighty nine, thirty

861
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: one and five eights and ran four or five flat. Like,

862
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 2: think about the difference in that just ten little number.

863
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 5: Just perception. Yeah, just everything is just perception.

864
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 3: Like just I just remember, and he will be okay

865
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: with me saying this, but I remember working for John Fox,

866
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 3: and John Fox was big on the number and the card,

867
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: and I just remember, like being on the road. I

868
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: can admit it now I'm out the business, but I

869
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: just remember being on the road. I think we took

870
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: we took Richard marsh You remember the little corner from Faaleah. Yeah, yeah,

871
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 3: so Richard Marshall. And I can't remember what he did,

872
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: but I knew that I had to move the number

873
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: over just to make it because there was a huge difference.

874
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 5: In four four and four or five and it could

875
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 5: be four or five one.

876
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: Make that four four to nine because I knew I

877
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 3: had a chance to save him, just because when coaches talk,

878
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: they don't talk about the last digit. Yeah, four to four,

879
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: gut or four or five guy, And so we talk

880
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: about Arnold. That's a fun conversation. Yeah, we'll have that.

881
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: We'll have the defensive conversation. Yeah, down the road, all right,

882
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 3: we got to quarterbacks. Now, this to me was really

883
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: you're kind of looking at that next.

884
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 2: Three group because top three, the big three, we didn't

885
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: see out there. So no, no killib Williams, which I

886
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: really don't care, by the way, I know people are

887
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: passionate about this. I really don't kileb Williams, Drake Maye,

888
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels whatever. Where you want to put those

889
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: guys in. We have to wait on them.

890
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: But I thought it was a race there with the

891
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: next three, and I thought just throwing the ball shouldn't

892
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: have been a surprise, right Pennix, just he throws it

893
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: different else, Yeah, yeah.

894
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 6: I would agree, And Buck, I'll get to you on

895
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 6: this too, because, like you know, we saw Penix and

896
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 6: bo Nicks like four different times, kind of at a

897
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 6: head to head type of scenario. Right, you had the

898
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 6: two times that they played, and then you had on

899
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 6: what the same team at the senior brol But you

900
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 6: get to see him work, you know, rep after rep.

901
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 6: You saw that in person, you know, DJ, we didn't

902
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 6: didn't necessarily to see it the way you did, But

903
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 6: then watching them here, I was like, it's kind of

904
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 6: like no contest just based on arm throw. Now, you

905
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 6: throw everything else in, it begins to level out a

906
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 6: little bit, and bo I think it's going to be

907
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 6: a good player. I think he's got everything you want right,

908
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 6: and he's a perfectionist and a competitor and all that stuff.

909
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 6: But Pennix's arm talent, Like to me, it's still best

910
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 6: in class, Like I think with any of them, you know,

911
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 6: and I don't.

912
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 2: I don't think that's I don't think that's even for debate, Like, right,

913
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: you want to line all these guys up and watch

914
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: them throw. Pix X throws it better than anybody. Like

915
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 2: just what he can do with the football.

916
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: He looked like buck I was waiting to hear the

917
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: little whistle from the NERF turbo.

918
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: When Yeah so so one Red talked about went on preview,

919
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 3: Like his hand size, I mean and a half ten

920
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: and a.

921
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 5: Half long arms, all the stuff.

922
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 3: It's like, it's it's not a surprise that he can

923
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: he can just like grip the ball and put it

924
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: where he wants to put it. We can talk about

925
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 3: the way he spends it, the way that it comes out,

926
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: all of those things. And so when we talked about

927
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: the combine and why guys should work out, why some

928
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: guys shouldn't. If you're a thrower like Michael Pennix, I mean,

929
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: this is your dream day. This is an exhibition to

930
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: be able to just show everybody how well you can

931
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: throw it. And I know there's not a defense on there,

932
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: but it's something about watching him throw that certainly tickles

933
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: your fancy as an imaginative offensive coordinator. You can just

934
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: imagine what it be like now. I will say that

935
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: the offense has to be different for him than everybody

936
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: else because you don't get the benefit of the athleticism

937
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: and movement. And I think it even puts a little

938
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 3: greater pressure on the team builder. They have an offensive

939
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 3: line that's solid around him. But if he has that

940
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: and he's able to throw from the grassy kno look out,

941
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: because he can make every throw in the book.

942
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 5: It's good. Oh, one of the things. And we'll have

943
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 5: him on.

944
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: We'll have John beck on as we go up to

945
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: the draft. But he's been working with him, He's worked

946
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: with Jade and Daniels, JJ McCarthy and one of the

947
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: things he told me about Penix, which I did not know,

948
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: he was telling me about the Debor offense and RHTT

949
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: you might have been familiar with this going back to

950
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: the Indiana time. But he said there's so many options

951
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: and so so much that has to be red post

952
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: snap in terms of receivers having options and choices, and

953
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: he said this can be at different levels. So he said,

954
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: what's incredible about Penix is that he can see, Okay,

955
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: I've got my underneath read here and then I've got

956
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: my over the top read. But they're both they're both

957
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: choice routes. So he's got to be able to see,

958
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: like literally see the whole picture. And so he said

959
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: that's not you know, it's very difficult to do. So

960
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: in terms of that, he's going to be advanced versus

961
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: what some of these guys are asked to do, and

962
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: it's going to be foreign to him. He's had to

963
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: really really see the field and be able to see

964
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: things similarly as receivers. And to the point where he

965
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: was like he would never throw like a Dounesay under

966
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: the bus when you're going through the tape on them,

967
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: but like the National Champion game, like I asked about,

968
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: remember he missed a Dunesay over the top and he

969
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,959
Speaker 1: was bad wide open, but they didn't see it the same.

970
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: So you know and whether to say Rome saw it

971
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: right or Panic saw it right. But it wasn't just

972
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: a simple this is the call. He missed the throw.

973
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: He saw one thing and anticipated him to go in

974
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: one direction and Rome saw a different thing. But just

975
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: an example of the choice and the options that existed

976
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: in that offense. This is not just a paint by numbers,

977
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, simple simon offense that he was operating.

978
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 6: Buck let me ask, and buck let me ask you.

979
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 6: I want to get your take on this too. Well,

980
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 6: go ahead, go ahead with your thought because I'll finish it.

981
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: You know. I was just going to say that speaks

982
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: at a high IQ of both players, and I believe

983
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: that information not only helps Pinis, but it helps us

984
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: form a narrative around a doomsday. The fact that he's

985
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: playing in the offense that has so many options while

986
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: you're on the move as a receiver like ret noos

987
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: like the hardest thing to do is to be running

988
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: full speed.

989
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 5: They have to make a decision.

990
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 3: Based on what the coverage is doing simultaneously. So for

991
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 3: Doomsday and panis to be able to do that so

992
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: successfully at UB they're going to kill it in the

993
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 3: meeting room when it comes to checking out what they

994
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: know and what they can do to me. I think

995
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: that's another feather in each of the cap. So that's

996
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 3: what I wanted to get out there.

997
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 4: I agree with you.

998
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 6: And the thing that I would ask now is, all right,

999
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 6: the things we know about penis we know the top

1000
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 6: three guys are going the top three?

1001
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 4: Right? Is he the fourth guy off the board? Now?

1002
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 4: Is he going to be in a first round? Do

1003
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 4: we think? Or the injury stuff in the age and

1004
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 4: all that.

1005
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: I think that's that's the whole that's the whole thing,

1006
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: is that if you do it in a vacuum on

1007
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: the ability level, Yeah, he should be.

1008
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 5: He should be.

1009
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: He's the he should be the fourth guy based off

1010
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: of that. But you've got the age of McCarthy, You've

1011
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: got the clean injury history there, You've got you know,

1012
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: Nick's Nix, who's both of those guys are old, but

1013
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: Nix has a cleaner medical side of it, and it's

1014
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: gonna you know, I don't think I think they're totally

1015
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: different style quarterbacks in terms of what you're looking for.

1016
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: In other words, like if you're the Broncos, I mean

1017
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 2: bo Nix kind of fits into more of Sean Payton's

1018
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: profile of how he's you know, it's the Drew Brees thing.

1019
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that Nix is Drew Brees, but

1020
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: that's the style in which he plays, yeah, which is

1021
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: just let's just collect completions, just just being big, big,

1022
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: big bang bang ban. That's what Nicks has done. So

1023
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: it's not as simple as just saying he throws it

1024
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: the best, he's the fourth quarterback. It's all that stuff

1025
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: kind of factored. And that's kind of why I've had

1026
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: him in like the thirties or where have you, because

1027
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: I put him in that second round range just because

1028
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: age and injury. I'm like, you know, are you going

1029
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: to be confident enough to pull that trigger in the

1030
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: first round when you factor that stuff in? If you

1031
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 2: tell me, you know, And I always am a little

1032
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: bit hesitant when you hear he's astmdical, Like there's thirty

1033
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: two medicals. There's no way we've talked. Yeah, you can

1034
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: ace the medical for the Kansas City chiefs. Kansasity chiefs

1035
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: aren't in the Michael Pennock's business.

1036
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 4: They've got a different risk risk profile too, right, It's

1037
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 4: a little bit different that way.

1038
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: So it's the only thing that matters is the you

1039
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: know handful of quarterback teams. What do those physicals look like?

1040
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's the challenge and last thing I would

1041
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 6: say on this one and I'll close it out. But

1042
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 6: like the you know that eleven through fourteen run, you know,

1043
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 6: Vikings through Saints, and there's a team, if there's a

1044
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 6: team in there that really wants a QB and misses out,

1045
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 6: like I wonder if you get a team top of

1046
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 6: the second round that tries to come into the back

1047
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 6: five picks of the first I feel like this.

1048
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: Never happens, like we were talking about it because they're

1049
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: always talking about the fifth your option the yeah.

1050
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, and look I think that was the case. What

1051
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 5: what levis?

1052
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 3: When what top of the second round at the bottom

1053
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: of the first round? I use like the first pick

1054
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 3: to come off the war Yeah yeah, so I think

1055
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: they were picking. I can't remember they come back up

1056
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 3: for Lamar Yes, yeah.

1057
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of last one.

1058
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: I just envisioned Michael Pennix, Like Michael Pennix would be

1059
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 3: a perfect Raider back in the Al Davis days.

1060
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 5: In terms of like to be a Raider in the

1061
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 5: current day.

1062
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, in terms of in terms

1063
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: of pushing the ball down the field, Like, I mean,

1064
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 3: they are big play hunting with him, and I don't

1065
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: know if I've seen a better deep ball thrower in terms.

1066
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 5: Of just how it comes out. He's there, he gets it.

1067
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 5: But but is that too early? So that's the thing.

1068
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: So and you talked about where I had him rated

1069
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: as my fourth guy because I was like, man, based

1070
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: on how they played, he deserves to be right up there, Like,

1071
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you can make the argument that he outplayed

1072
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 3: drink mean whatever. But the conversation and the debate between

1073
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: him and Jad McCarthy and Bo Nicks, it will be

1074
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: interesting what are the factors or the deciding factors in

1075
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: terms of how do we stack.

1076
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 5: Him four, five and six mm hm, no doubt.

1077
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: And like you said, I mean there's some you hear

1078
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: some chatter that you know, some teams are like McCarthy

1079
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: better than than Drake May So I mean there's you.

1080
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: I think we've kind of locked in that that's going

1081
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: to be the top three. I don't think that's sett

1082
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: in stone, but I do think that teams and talking

1083
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: to teams, talking to a head coach, specifically of a

1084
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: quarterback team he loved Drake May's interview.

1085
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 5: And the.

1086
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: I'll put it this way, when you go through the tape,

1087
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: some of the sins are forgiven. And that's without you know,

1088
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: throwing anybody on the bus.

1089
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: So no, no, I can believe that. And I knew

1090
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: he would kill it in regard like this. We've talked

1091
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 3: about it like this is what he does. We had

1092
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 3: him on the podcast DJ. It's easy to fall in

1093
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 3: love with talking to him. He's a very mature, very

1094
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: self deprecating guy who can handle the responsibilities of being

1095
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 3: the franchise quarterback while also ingratiating himself to the teammates.

1096
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: And I will say this because this tends to happen

1097
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 3: in the free jeft season, like his flaws would be magnified.

1098
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 3: But I think people have to understand and appreciate the talent.

1099
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 3: The talent that he has as an athlete, as a thrower,

1100
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: he has some different stuff. It'll just be interesting to

1101
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: see how all of this plays out. And what are

1102
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: you more convicted on the tape or the person. If

1103
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: you're on the person, that's gonna drive his value up.

1104
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: Two things real quick, And then we got to move

1105
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: on to the AFC West number one. People I think

1106
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: lose sight of this. You have to remember when you're

1107
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: evaluating players for a team, it's not your job to

1108
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: evaluate the performance only it's the projection side of it.

1109
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: So that's a lesson that I struggle with because I

1110
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: pulled it many times. I had Josh Allen ahead of

1111
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield. And then at the end, I was like,

1112
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: you know what if I say, if I'm gonna put

1113
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: my actions where my words are, and I say, accuracy,

1114
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: decision making, poise are the most important factors, you know,

1115
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 2: And look at how Baker Mayfield played at Oklahoma versus

1116
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: how Josh played a Wyoming. I flipped it and I

1117
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: took Baker Mayfield's performance and I did not put enough

1118
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: attention on the projection of what Josh Allen, you know,

1119
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: could could become and turn into. And so I'm just

1120
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: careful on that. I just want to remind people that say, look,

1121
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: Jade Daniels played the best of all these guys last year.

1122
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 2: You say Drake may didn't play as good as a

1123
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: bunch of these quarterbacks we've been talking about. But there

1124
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: is also the projection, not just the evaluation of the performance.

1125
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: Buck and I would say I did that last year

1126
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 3: with Bryce Young and CJ Stroud, Like I felt strongly

1127
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: about c J. Stroud in terms of like being the

1128
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 3: prototype and all the other stuff, but I couldn't ignore

1129
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: Bryce Young's performance and it's production and at the end

1130
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: I flipped it and put Bryce Young back at the

1131
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 3: top over c J Stroud, and then CJ. Stroud performs

1132
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: like men, you expect me like a pro. And so

1133
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 3: that is something too, because the draft is not just

1134
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 3: a production based thing. It's that and the projection on

1135
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 3: how they're going to play as a pro. And when

1136
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: we're grading, that's what we're doing. We're grading them on

1137
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 3: how we expect them to play as a pro, not

1138
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: what they did as a collegiate player.

1139
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, by the way, can we just give a hot

1140
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 6: tip to Keaton Slovas four five five in the forty.

1141
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 5: I didn't know he had that.

1142
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: That was the last thing I was going to say

1143
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 2: was I was going to give Devin Leary as shout

1144
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: out because I thought outside the main guys, I thought

1145
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: he had the best workout.

1146
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 5: You have a really good workout, So he's one of

1147
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 5: those ones. To me, it was like rattler.

1148
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: I actually thought he was better than Rattler just watching

1149
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 2: him on the green going through the same thing. So

1150
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: that'll be interesting to see who's going to be in

1151
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: that mix. And there really hasn't been much of a

1152
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: middle class in quarterbacks over the years. You kind of

1153
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: have your top group of guys. There's usually a golf

1154
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: people wait, and then that's how Sam how ends up

1155
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: going in like the fifth round round. We all thought

1156
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: he would go in the second round. So we'll see

1157
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: how that all shakes out. Okay, we've got to jump

1158
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: into the NFC West here we've been or sorry AFC West,

1159
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: Thank you for AFC West. Let's start first of all

1160
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: with the Kansas City Chiefs. What is the updated salary

1161
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: cap now for them?

1162
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 5: Do we have that on there? I don't know if

1163
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 5: we had.

1164
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 4: They got three and a half mill three and a

1165
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 4: half yeah.

1166
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: So that's after the sneed after the sneed move, so

1167
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: they've got three and a half mill. We look at

1168
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: you know, you've got a whole host of building block

1169
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: players here. But I want to get to the championship foundation,

1170
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 2: which again, these are what we do with every single

1171
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: team going through these divisions. We need a quarterback, we

1172
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 2: need three offensive playmakers. Three quality offensive line, two pass

1173
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: rushers no matter where they come from, and three defensive

1174
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: playmakers in the back half of the defense the linebackers

1175
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 2: and secondary. So obviously Blue quarterback Patrick Mahomes elite player,

1176
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: still rolling, obviously in his prime. Travis Kelcey, even with

1177
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: the age, is a Blue player all day long. You've

1178
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: got the Greens coming up right behind him with the

1179
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: playmakers with Rashid Rice and Pacheco. You've got the blue

1180
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: offensive line with Creed Humphrey. You could make a case

1181
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: Tray Smith should also be a blue. NFL research has

1182
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: him as a Green. You've got Joe Toney listed as

1183
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: a yellow. I would imagine that's probably because of the injury.

1184
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: Maybe injury, yeah, injury or contract concerns can be a yellow.

1185
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: Carloftis is a Green, really solid young player, and adik

1186
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: Uzama would be the other pass russure. But keep in

1187
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: mind Chris Jones. I think they're going to get that there.

1188
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: So that's a blue, you know. And then defensive playmakers.

1189
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: I would say Trent McDuffie's a blue. Luxurious Sneed is

1190
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: in a yellow because of the contract, I assume, but

1191
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: he's a Blue player as well.

1192
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 5: And I would say Nick Bolton. Molton is a blue blue,

1193
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 5: so we have him.

1194
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 2: As green, but I would say he is a blue,

1195
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of blue there that these guys

1196
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: that oh yeah, touchoups.

1197
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a year to get him and a

1198
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 3: long time ago, like a wise team builder told me

1199
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: that it takes eight to ten blue chip players to

1200
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: compete at a championship level.

1201
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 5: Well, just reading off.

1202
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 3: That, the little exercise that we did, it's not no

1203
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 3: wonder why the Ken City Chiefs are always in the conversation.

1204
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: And I mean, look, you can talk about their quarterback

1205
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: being a blue plus plus or whatever you want to

1206
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 3: give him, you know, like the force magnifier, but the

1207
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 3: fact that they have so many Blues around him, maybe

1208
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 3: we underestimated what the Ken City Chiefs were and what

1209
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: they will be for the next two to three years

1210
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: because they are well positioned to be a team that

1211
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: is uh sitting at the top of the perch for

1212
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 3: a long time.

1213
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: I think they might have when we get this these

1214
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: colors up there, they might have the most defensive blues.

1215
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 5: How crazy?

1216
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 4: How crazy is that way with the most blue player

1217
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 4: on Earth?

1218
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 5: Right? Yeah, like they trade away Tyreek, you and we

1219
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 5: can argue that the team is better than we.

1220
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 4: Talked about there not the aerial circus, but they are

1221
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 4: a better team.

1222
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 5: Is yeah, unbelievable.

1223
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: Two again, Yeah, Raiders have thirty five million, thirty five

1224
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: point three million. They've got free agency looking at Josh Jacobs, Hooper,

1225
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: Ilumin or Andre James. So if we get to their

1226
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: colors here, we've got Aidan O'Connell listed as a purple,

1227
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: so or sorry, a pink which is an unproven young player.

1228
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: We've got Davante Adams and obvious blue. Jacoby Myers is

1229
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: a green, which is a good, good solid player. You've

1230
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: got Mayor is a is a pink tight end for

1231
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: one of the from the other playmaker spot. The offensive

1232
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: lineman Colt Miller is a green border he could he

1233
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: could close to a blue, but I'd say is a

1234
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: really good green. Yeah, you've got Parham and thay Er,

1235
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: Munford or pinks. So they need again, they need some other,

1236
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: you know, premier offensive lineman to fill those spots. Max

1237
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 2: Crosby blue is blue gets for the one pass rusher spot.

1238
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: Tyree Wilson has got a long way to go. I

1239
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: think was uh, he's a pink here, and then the

1240
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: defensive playmakers. This is the other thing that they need to.

1241
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: Add a lot of green and blue of yellow here

1242
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: with the Epps merrig Nate Hobbs, solid player, Jack Jones.

1243
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: You know it came over made and plays. But these

1244
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: are all yellow. You know, guys with with age or injury,

1245
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: injury or contract concerns. You know, not not a lot

1246
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: to go on in the back end of that defense.

1247
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 2: But I would say, as we're looking at this this

1248
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: group here, guys the name that just popped up today

1249
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: that I was shocked. We were talking about this beforehand.

1250
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 2: But if you took that defense and you have Max

1251
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: Crosby outside, what would that look like, Buck, if you

1252
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 2: took Christian Wilkins and popped him down, I know there's

1253
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: work to do in the back end.

1254
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what.

1255
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: That back end would look a lot better if you

1256
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: had Christian Wilkins playing inside next to Max Crosby.

1257
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad that you brought it up, because remember

1258
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 3: Patrick Graham was a part of that staff that was

1259
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 3: that brought Christian Wilkins in. And so if you add

1260
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 3: a dominant inside player to go with Max krobson on

1261
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: the outside, Yeah, it changes, It changes the equation for

1262
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 3: their defense. This is a team that they got a

1263
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: lot of young players that they need to grow and develop,

1264
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: and they have a bunch of money where that can

1265
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 3: kind of pay and devoce some assets to bring in

1266
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 3: some blues back.

1267
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 5: But this would be the challenge that Antonio Piers faces.

1268
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 3: Can you get the young guys to play a notch

1269
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 3: above where they're at now while also kind of incorporating

1270
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: and bringing in some of these blue.

1271
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 5: Ship players that maybe you can get off the free

1272
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 5: agent market.

1273
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 6: And I would say, you know, along those same line,

1274
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 6: even if you're able to go out and get Christian

1275
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 6: Wilkins up there, you know, you're obviously you know, the

1276
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 6: Colton Miller on the left side, Like maybe you're in

1277
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 6: JC Latham territory you want a big right tackle there

1278
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 6: at thirteen where the Raiders are picking, but you're probably

1279
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 6: also in you're getting pretty close into Byron murphy Land too,

1280
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 6: you know, as a guy with a you know, stud

1281
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 6: interior disruptor in there. Yeah, so I think there's some

1282
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 6: real that's actually a really good spot for the Raiders

1283
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 6: to get bigger, tougher and stronger up front, either on

1284
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 6: either side of the line of scrimmage. If we're looking

1285
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 6: at the draft.

1286
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: No doubt we get to the Broncos, who on the

1287
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 2: heels of the report about Russell Wilson who's going to

1288
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: be cut, that will put them at they're under or

1289
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: they're over the cap sixteen point four million over. So

1290
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 2: we've got some cap work to do here. But it

1291
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 2: went from twenty four a least it got down to sixteen.

1292
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: They are picking in the first round at twelve. Then

1293
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 2: they have no second round pick. They're picking at seventy six.

1294
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: Pushing Berry is a free agent, which, by the way,

1295
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: every year there's these free so you're going to be

1296
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: shocked at what they get. What do you see what

1297
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: this dude ends up getting. Yeah, he's gonna get some money.

1298
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: With so many teams need and centers, so keep an

1299
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 2: eye on that one. So quarterback Whise Stidham, I mean,

1300
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: I guess we've put Stidham probably, you know, I think

1301
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: he's going to the last year of his deal, so

1302
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: you know, he's he's probably a yellow there. Davante Williams,

1303
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: you know, hasn't hasn't quite been able to stay healthy

1304
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 2: and pop like I thought maybe he would. So they've

1305
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: got him as a yellow. We've got Mims, who's a

1306
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 2: good young player. He's got a chance to who's got

1307
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: a chance to really grow here. He's got a chance

1308
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: to be a green. I think pretty soon he's he's

1309
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: a pink. You've got Sutton and Jerry Judy. The playmakers

1310
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: are yellow. I think that's because of contract and who

1311
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 2: knows if they're going to be around. Yeah, three quality

1312
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: offensive lineman. Miners is a really good player. He's a green.

1313
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: McGlinchey just so sore, I could make a case you

1314
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 2: could maybe drop him down, but he's listening to to

1315
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: green Garrett Bowles. Contract wise, age wise, I'm guessing is

1316
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: why he's a yellow. Yeah, Defensive pass rushers you got

1317
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: Zach Allen, who's brought over as a good player, is

1318
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 2: a is a Green. And then you've got some pinks

1319
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 2: here with some intriguing young players with the yeah Jonathan Cooper,

1320
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: Baron Browning and then defensive playmakers in the back end.

1321
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 2: Certain obviously is a blue Simmons, but.

1322
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 5: To me he's a blue as a player.

1323
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 1: But I think that might be more you know, contract

1324
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: the contract wise and then day Kwan McMillan.

1325
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 5: So if you're looking at a place to start there.

1326
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 2: I think obviously the quarterback is one, but where Buck,

1327
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: Where would you prioritize here with the rest of this

1328
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: When you're looking at more playmakers offensively, you're looking at

1329
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: another pass rusher up front.

1330
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: Man, Like, look, I think you had a building team

1331
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 3: to win a division with Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert, Like,

1332
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 3: I think you have to get another pass rusher. As

1333
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 3: much as I would like to think that they're gonna

1334
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 3: find a quarterback, we know how Art is going to be,

1335
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 3: particularly where they're picking, and there's not one that they're

1336
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 3: going to snag on the free agent market. This has

1337
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 3: to be one where they're gonna have to build up

1338
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 3: the defense and you're gonna have to lean on st

1339
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 3: Payton's wizardry with either Stidham or a young quarterback to

1340
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 3: figure out a way to score enough points to support

1341
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 3: a defense that has security war.

1342
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 6: So, if you're not satisfied with whoever the fourth quarterback is, like,

1343
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 6: if you don't feel the value is there at twelve, like,

1344
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 6: I think you're firmly in the either Dallas Turner layout

1345
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 6: to Latu Jared Verse, like, one of those three should

1346
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 6: be there. At twelve, you would think, I mean, I

1347
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 6: guess it's possible they're all gone, you know, depending you know,

1348
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 6: obviously with the Vikings sitting there at eleven, you got

1349
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 6: to wonder if that's the spot for one of those guys,

1350
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 6: and how many of them get into the back into

1351
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 6: the top ten. But that feels like a great place

1352
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 6: to go get a blue chipper, blue chip pass rusher.

1353
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 6: And then you fold in Benito, Cooper and Browning as

1354
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 6: players who we might have his pink, but you know,

1355
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 6: with possibility to get into that green on a rotational basis,

1356
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 6: and now you're feeling a lot better about where that

1357
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 6: defense is, no.

1358
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: Question, Let's keep it moving here. Finally, we got the

1359
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: Chargers coming off a five and twelve season. They are

1360
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: picking five and thirty seven in the first two rounds,

1361
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: have the third round pick as well. Sowary cap wise

1362
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: some work to do. As we're recording this, they're thirty

1363
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: five point five million over. There's some moves they can

1364
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 2: make to get under I think pretty simply when you

1365
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: look at the decisions to make really on the two

1366
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 2: receivers with Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and the two pass rushers,

1367
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: with Bosa and Mack. If we're looking at the colors here,

1368
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: Herbert's a blue as the quarterback. The offensive playmakers they

1369
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: have Keenan and Mike is yellows because of the salary

1370
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: cap stuff, so they're gonna have to make decisions there.

1371
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 2: I would imagine Keenan would be an extension candidate. As

1372
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: soon as he gets extended, he goes right back into

1373
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: the blue category. You've got the third receiver there. I

1374
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: would argue Josh Palmer would be the guy over Quinton

1375
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: Johnson there, and he's he'll be a yellow dook. He's

1376
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: coming into the last year of his deal, I believe.

1377
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: Then you've got Slater at tackle that's a blue. And

1378
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: then you've got a couple pinks here with Zion Johnson

1379
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: and Jamari Sawyer.

1380
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 5: Open.

1381
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: Those guys in this new offense with Harbaugh coming in,

1382
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: can maybe elevate themselves to be greens. Pass rusher, they're

1383
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: both gonna be yellow because of the contracts. Bosa and Mack.

1384
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: There, Tully Twoey Polow two's a Green, played really well

1385
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: last year, so he'll he'll have one of those spots.

1386
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: And then defensive playmakers, you've got Derwin James and as

1387
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: Sante Samuel Is Greens. I guess Derwin didn't have his

1388
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: best year last year. I'd still argue he could be

1389
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: a blue blue yea and then uh and then Eric Kendricks,

1390
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: who will see what happens with him contract wise, he

1391
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: could be a salary cap cut, but he is.

1392
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 5: He's a yellow.

1393
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: So I think once they read structure these deals or

1394
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: make these decisions on which one of the big four

1395
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: that they're going to keep, that the Colors at least

1396
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: Bucky will look a little bit better on this chart.

1397
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, this should look better. Keenan Allen, for one, is

1398
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 3: a guy who can't improve. I know that there's a

1399
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: speculation about Bosa being gone. I think you have to

1400
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 3: keep one of the pass users, Like, yeah, they both

1401
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: those guys go.

1402
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 5: I think I think they will. Yeah, I think I

1403
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 5: think they find a way to get it. Derwin James.

1404
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 3: I like what Jesse Minner has already talked about unleashing

1405
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 3: Derwin James.

1406
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 5: I feel like he's been underrated.

1407
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: When he's at his best and kind of doing things

1408
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 3: to kind of fit his skill set, he can be

1409
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 3: a blue player. So I'm really optimistic and I think

1410
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 3: my optimism springs from the talent that we're talking about here,

1411
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 3: but more so the coaching and how we've always seen

1412
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh take his teams to another level just through coaching.

1413
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 5: So I expect the Charges to be right there.

1414
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 3: And I think some of these guys that we have

1415
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 3: in these different colored designations we'll end up being blue

1416
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: chip players for the Chargers.

1417
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 6: So, you know, I think this is intriguing as we

1418
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 6: get to the draft too, because obviously, sitting at five,

1419
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 6: you know, man, you're gonna have probably your choice of

1420
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 6: one of those top three wide receivers, right, one of

1421
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 6: them's probably gone at four if all things stay the same.

1422
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 6: But it's Jim Harbaugh's team, Like, we need to go

1423
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 6: get a we need to build this thing. We need

1424
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 6: a road grader up front too, right, And so if

1425
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 6: you can't stick it, if you don't want to pick

1426
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 6: there at five, right, who now the questions? Who wants

1427
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 6: to come up to five?

1428
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 4: Maybe you know who?

1429
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: You know who their perfect trade back candidate is Batanu

1430
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: mm hmmm, because you've got Pipkins. You got Pipkins at

1431
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: right tackle for another year. He doesn't cost you much.

1432
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 2: Who's a functional right tackle? You could put him at

1433
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: guard are one and then he kicks out the following

1434
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 2: year and you're rock and rolling. But he would be

1435
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: a butt kicker. Yeah, in that offensive line. They want

1436
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 2: to run the ball.

1437
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 5: That dude. He can he can get after people.

1438
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, so there you go, Like, how far down do

1439
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 6: you feel comfortable going there? You know, into the nine

1440
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 6: to eleven range, nine to twelve range.

1441
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 5: Surely, you know.

1442
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: I think I think you get to I think if

1443
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: you trade to you know, I don't know if you

1444
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: want to trade inside the division. I think the Broncos

1445
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: are twelve right there. Yeah, so you've got the you know,

1446
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: Vikings at eleven. The Vikings want to come up. Hey,

1447
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get I'm gonna get Fuagaran Lock. I'm getting

1448
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 2: one of those two. Sure, and and Foag is the same.

1449
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 2: Play him at guard for a year before he kicks out,

1450
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 2: no problem.

1451
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 4: That's a win. That's a that's a total win for

1452
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 4: the Chargers if they can get one of those deals done.

1453
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1454
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: All right, we've gone over our time here, but it's

1455
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: been fun. My voice only started leaving me about fifteen

1456
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 2: minutes ago.

1457
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 5: That's okay.

1458
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 4: You powered through, all right, you made it through yeah, hit.

1459
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: It as long as I could. All Right, guys, this

1460
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 2: has been fun. Appreciate you guys hanging with us today again.

1461
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 2: We'll be back again. Another episode will jump to the

1462
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball to combine. Continue to roll

1463
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 2: through these divisions as we head towards free agency, which

1464
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: is right around the corner. Rhett Bucky DJ here, Appreciate you.

1465
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: We'll see next time I move the sticks.