Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Podcasts. What a thing to exist in
Speaker 1: the world. It's like the radio but forever. I'm Robert
Speaker 1: Evans and this is Behind the Bastards podcast. Bad people
Speaker 1: talk about him, YadA, YadA, YadA. You know the drill.
Speaker 1: Most of you have probably listened before, and if not,
Speaker 1: this episode will be completely baffling because today I have
Speaker 1: my buddies and my favorite podcasters. Uh Dan and Jordan's
Speaker 1: from the podcast Knowledge Fight. Dan Jordan's Hello years ago,
Speaker 1: many years ago, when my podcast was new and your
Speaker 1: podcast was like a year old. Um, I did Jesus um.
Speaker 1: We have four hundred episodes Behind the Bastards. It's wild
Speaker 1: how many of you guys put out Uh yeah, but
Speaker 1: we had so we did. Like um, I did a
Speaker 1: three partner on Alex Jones, which is how when I
Speaker 1: started dropping it, people were like, you need to listen
Speaker 1: to this podcast Knowledge Fight, and I did, and so
Speaker 1: I had you on to do a fourth episode about
Speaker 1: Alex um And then a couple of years went by
Speaker 1: and COVID happened, and we have not returned to Alex
Speaker 1: Jones on my show, but a lot has happened with
Speaker 1: the man is true, and I figured rather than try
Speaker 1: and write another two part about what's happened to alexin's
Speaker 1: I should have you do that because I'm a lazy man.
Speaker 1: And also I think it's fair to say at this
Speaker 1: point you know more about Alex Jones than any man alive,
Speaker 1: and Jordan's maybe knows the second most about Alex Jones.
Speaker 1: Jordan is blessed with a shorter memory, so he's forgotten
Speaker 1: about Alex Jones. You could say that I've forgotten more
Speaker 1: about Alex Jones than any man. A lot that is
Speaker 1: that is hard, hard to hard to argue with. I've
Speaker 1: now officially been in a room with Alex Jones, and
Speaker 1: that's very exciting. I would say that probably I know
Speaker 1: more about him than he does. That's so it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel good for for people who are maybe conf used
Speaker 1: if you are just jumping in Dan and Jordan's host stage.
Speaker 1: It used to be like three times a week. It's
Speaker 1: still occasionally is, but at least twice a week you'll
Speaker 1: put out episodes chronicling both Alex's present day adventures. Uh
Speaker 1: and also you'll go back like twenty years and you'll
Speaker 1: talk about like what he was doing on dates in
Speaker 1: like two thousand two, and you'll go through like whole
Speaker 1: hol Spiels there. Um you because of your unparalleled knowledge
Speaker 1: of Alex, uh wound up in contact with the lawyers,
Speaker 1: some of the lawyers who are representing the people who
Speaker 1: are suing him from myriad of terrible things that he
Speaker 1: has done. Yeah, I've been. I've been in contact with
Speaker 1: the folks for the Texas Sandy Hook lawsuits, the Mark Bankston,
Speaker 1: Bill Ogden, And part of that has been you were
Speaker 1: in the room while Alex was deposed in order to
Speaker 1: like potentially land you know whatever advice and stuff has
Speaker 1: did that did Did being in the same physical space
Speaker 1: as him? Did that influence at all kind of your
Speaker 1: thinking on him or how? Because you know it's got
Speaker 1: to be to to be this deep into somebody's life
Speaker 1: and then finally be in a room with them. Did
Speaker 1: that have any kind of impact I guess other than
Speaker 1: just like novelty, let me let me say that it
Speaker 1: was not as much as you might expect. I definitely
Speaker 1: had it built up in my head of like the
Speaker 1: moment he walks in the room, I'm gonna panic attack,
Speaker 1: like I I think I said it like even years
Speaker 1: ago on the podcast it's like, if I ever see
Speaker 1: him in public or see him anywhere, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: throw up on something. I'm just gonna be so overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't really. It was just sort of like
Speaker 1: I liken it to like when I got my first tattoo,
Speaker 1: Like I thought it was going to be like, this
Speaker 1: is life changing, and as soon as I got it,
Speaker 1: I was like, this isn't that big of a deal,
Speaker 1: you know. And I feel like that was kind of
Speaker 1: how it was sitting there. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's like he's now a real person inasmuch as I
Speaker 1: have seen him. It's a little bit it's a little
Speaker 1: bit like the inverse of that never meet your heroes idiom,
Speaker 1: you know, where it's like, oh, every time you meet
Speaker 1: your heroes, it's going to be disappointing because they're not
Speaker 1: the larger than life figure that it's all. It's like,
Speaker 1: never meet your your foils, because they're they're just it's
Speaker 1: just an asshole in a room at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you know. And I think that I think
Speaker 1: that most of the things I could take away from
Speaker 1: being there actually are just the same things you'd get
Speaker 1: from watching the deposition which is just like he doesn't
Speaker 1: know ship, he's making stuff up, he's angry, his body
Speaker 1: language is different. Congratulations. Yeah, so it wasn't as enlightening
Speaker 1: as maybe I'd hope. It wasn't as overwhelming. I think
Speaker 1: a big part of that is that he didn't recognize you.
Speaker 1: That's the exactly Yes. Yeah, so so Alex Jones just
Speaker 1: sees some bearded dude in there, and it's like, this
Speaker 1: is a new guy, not thinking like this guy has
Speaker 1: devoted his fucking last five years of his life to me.
Speaker 1: That would be weird. Like if somebody did that to
Speaker 1: me from my shows, I would know how to handle,
Speaker 1: like talking with them, whether they were positive or negative.
Speaker 1: I think I would be equally frightened. Like, I think
Speaker 1: someone doing that out of love is just as unsettling
Speaker 1: as the giving out of hat I think I'd probably
Speaker 1: rather talk to somebody who hated me, Yeah, because at
Speaker 1: least I get like that, right. Yeah, but you're like
Speaker 1: the voice in my head, the person who hates me
Speaker 1: might have some valid criticism. Yeah, um so shall we wait? Wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: where do you want to start here? Dan Well? I
Speaker 1: kin when when we discussed the idea of doing this
Speaker 1: I kind of thought about it, like we could talk
Speaker 1: for hours and hours if we wanted to get granular
Speaker 1: with stuff. Um, But I figured that since the last
Speaker 1: time we spoke, the three feel like the majorist things
Speaker 1: that have happened have been COVID obviously, January six and Ukraine,
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to hit on those topics and
Speaker 1: sort of get into a little bit of how those
Speaker 1: were covered on Alex's show. Uh, I've got some clips, dope,
Speaker 1: and then I imagine we'll chat about what's been going
Speaker 1: on in his legal world. Yes, yeah, although you guys,
Speaker 1: I also would would push people towards the episodes you've done.
Speaker 1: Somebody's having fun with a car where you are. It's true.
Speaker 1: I will also push people towards the episodes you guys
Speaker 1: have done with the lawyers who are going after Jones
Speaker 1: and just kind of chronicling the court cases because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of depth there. But yeah, let's start with
Speaker 1: what you want to do first, all right, Well, I
Speaker 1: figured we would dive into the beginnings of COVID nineteen back,
Speaker 1: you know, when we're talking about it as the coronavirus,
Speaker 1: the novel coronavirus, remember, um, those days it was when
Speaker 1: you when you make a friend and the first time
Speaker 1: you meet them, they give you like the name they
Speaker 1: use at work, but then you find out they've got
Speaker 1: like some sort of nickname that everyone calls them that's
Speaker 1: close to them, and you like divide your friendship up
Speaker 1: with them and like, oh, this is when you were Aaron,
Speaker 1: but now I know your your your ball hair, Billy
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, you nailed That was the
Speaker 1: same way when he found out I was dB Cooper
Speaker 1: that Yeah, I still haven't gotten over how your ball hair.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know that, including the FBI,
Speaker 1: who was the primary audience of our podcasts. Oh you're
Speaker 1: in trouble. Yeah that sounds about right, all right, So yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's start. So when COVID was just only in China,
Speaker 1: you remember these these these early days. One of the
Speaker 1: things that I think is really really fascinating to look
Speaker 1: back on because of how the world is now. Um.
Speaker 1: Early on, Alex had a very doom and gloom type
Speaker 1: of take about COVID. He he'd have Mike Adams come
Speaker 1: on the show regularly and say that it was over
Speaker 1: for human civilization. There will only be lone survivors they're
Speaker 1: gonna be scouring the land like it's fallout scraps was
Speaker 1: going to happen in weeks since it's I'm never because
Speaker 1: I remember fondly that period of like y'all covering Mike
Speaker 1: Adams and covering alex Um. It's always fascinating me as
Speaker 1: things have continued to get so much uglier in the world.
Speaker 1: How optimistic that is to think there's a level of
Speaker 1: stupidity where the world would just fall apart as opposed
Speaker 1: to like, we have this. We're like Mr Burns with
Speaker 1: all of those diseases that are in perfect balance, are
Speaker 1: stupid as a species and are smart as in such
Speaker 1: balance that like, even as everything careens towards a nightmare,
Speaker 1: we'll keep the We'll keep the fucking We'll keep the
Speaker 1: We'll keep it going. It's like a it's like a
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties Toyota Corolla. That's civilization. Like it's not comfortable
Speaker 1: or good, and it's always failing, but it keeps moving somehow.
Speaker 1: So your take on it is everyone becomes accountable within
Speaker 1: fifteen days is an optimistic side, because that means it's
Speaker 1: possible for us to funk this up enough that it
Speaker 1: ends and I don't know that it is did twenty
Speaker 1: eight days later and like, on an optimistic note, didn't it.
Speaker 1: I only watched the first movie, which did not it.
Speaker 1: Did it? They were in the they were in the mountains,
Speaker 1: and then they put up with those giant uh Swiss
Speaker 1: family Robinson signs, and then there was a plane that
Speaker 1: flew over and they were like, oh, we're going to
Speaker 1: say that zombies could fly plane. I guess I was saying,
Speaker 1: it's negative because it posits a world in which there
Speaker 1: are still there are still the British, which deeply unsettling future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would agree, Alex would agree with you. In two
Speaker 1: thousand three, he believes that the British are the biggest
Speaker 1: problem in the world. Um So, also, like early on
Speaker 1: in the pandemic, you would have Francis Boyle on all
Speaker 1: the time to make up stuff about these IRUs being
Speaker 1: a man made bioweapon, and these were kind of the
Speaker 1: the main thrusts of a lot of his his narratives.
Speaker 1: And was sorry, no, I mean that's just really gotten
Speaker 1: a opted by a lot of the broader right wing.
Speaker 1: That's true, that is true, but it's it it has
Speaker 1: kind of not really it's been tweaked by Alex in
Speaker 1: the present, whereas like back then, it was very extreme
Speaker 1: stuff about the virus. The virus was a man made
Speaker 1: bioweapon and that was what was going to kill you,
Speaker 1: whereas now it's like, well, no, it's a mild thing,
Speaker 1: but the vaccines are going to to kill you. You You know.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's shifted, and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: that is also where the right wing likes. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the man made bioweapon stuff. Alex was pretty pretty on
Speaker 1: the early tip um. So most of the stuff he
Speaker 1: was going on about at that point was really just
Speaker 1: in service of selling his survival food and his colloidal
Speaker 1: silver products that he was heavily implying and sometimes even
Speaker 1: saying could protect you from every virus like needed. He
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna say, like this cures covide, COVID,
Speaker 1: but it's a little dangerous, would say all viruses. That
Speaker 1: got him in trouble with it, it's amazing. Oh that
Speaker 1: did get him in trouble. Okay, Yeah, yeah, he got
Speaker 1: a season desist letter from the FTC, I believe, I mean,
Speaker 1: thank god they did something. Yeah, Hey, Letitia James, how
Speaker 1: about it? You got it, baby, and then Alex started
Speaker 1: calling her a demon. What are you gonna do? He
Speaker 1: had to stop selling his silver toothpaste and go to
Speaker 1: a charcoal toothpaste that his dad. That's a lateral move,
Speaker 1: I would suggest, and so he was, Okay, does the
Speaker 1: charcoal toothpaste do better at the COVID or did they
Speaker 1: just get sued out of making the silver toothpaste. He
Speaker 1: has never mentioned charcoal being a cure for COVID. That's good.
Speaker 1: He learned his lesson so like he was really trying
Speaker 1: to amplify and exaggerate stuff, and so he would take
Speaker 1: all these opportunities early on to take stories and misrepresent them,
Speaker 1: like about the death numbers. Like early February, he was
Speaker 1: going on about this regarding China massively downplaying their death numbers,
Speaker 1: coronavirus situation, and all these top biological weapons experts and
Speaker 1: and top scientists scanning the virus and saying it's man made.
Speaker 1: We've got to get ahead of this. And if you
Speaker 1: notice the virus number, I maybe we can punch those
Speaker 1: back up for a moment. Lare waiting for the president.
Speaker 1: The official World Health Organization says twenty eight thousand confirmed
Speaker 1: where I walked in here a few minutes ago. But
Speaker 1: the internal Chinese numbers that leaked and we're actually published
Speaker 1: in China by the People's Daily said two thousand dead yesterday.
Speaker 1: So what we think they're doing is they're just putting
Speaker 1: the number of dead as a number of infected. Think
Speaker 1: about it. Think about that. Yeah, that would be something
Speaker 1: it would be if he wasn't just sort of misrepresenting
Speaker 1: a meme that he had seen of some accidental misprint.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so he he was really trying to accelerate
Speaker 1: and increase the fear surrounding the virus because that was
Speaker 1: what was best for business. At the time. It was
Speaker 1: only over in China. There weren't cases being reported here,
Speaker 1: and so Alex was able to go all over the
Speaker 1: place at the beginning um and he had to because
Speaker 1: there was no real way to tell how it was
Speaker 1: going to land, and so he needed to. He needed
Speaker 1: to get started building a lot of things, like a
Speaker 1: lot of irons in the fire. He was big on
Speaker 1: the Wuhan lab leak theory early, but he was actually
Speaker 1: more convinced that the virus was made in a Canadian
Speaker 1: National Microbiology lab in Winnipeg, and then it was sent
Speaker 1: to Wuhan where it was released. There's probably a similar
Speaker 1: situation with like bioweapons and movies, where if you make
Speaker 1: one in Canada you get a bunch of tacks breaks.
Speaker 1: So sure, yeah, that that completely scans to me. I
Speaker 1: imagine you would make your bioweapons in the same place
Speaker 1: as you make X files for similar reasons. And now
Speaker 1: that we know about Trudeau being a tyrant, of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely his I mean obviously his main goal with the
Speaker 1: COVID bioweapon that he created was to once again burn
Speaker 1: down the White House, restoring Canada to its former glory.
Speaker 1: Have always been the enemy. I think we can all
Speaker 1: agree that on that that that's that's why we hired Garrison. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta keep your enemies close. Yeah. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I was going to make an independent stage joke. The
Speaker 1: other thing too that Alex did that was really fun
Speaker 1: was that he um uh he got into for a
Speaker 1: couple of days the Umbrella Corporation conspiracy theory. There was
Speaker 1: that the logo of the guys from fucking Resident Yeah okay, yo, oh,
Speaker 1: there was somebody do you remember the person who tried
Speaker 1: to turn Raccoon City into like Okay, so if you
Speaker 1: anagram these words and Corona can add like two letters,
Speaker 1: it's Corona and also there you go. It's resident evil
Speaker 1: predictive program. I mean it was there all the time
Speaker 1: because one time, and that was Faucci. You have to
Speaker 1: like he Alex believes that, like the the evil globalist cabal,
Speaker 1: like sneak hints about the future in the media. Right,
Speaker 1: that's like a thing for him. They have to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's part of the It's part of the interdimensional contract
Speaker 1: the demons have with the with this this universe. You
Speaker 1: have to people have to give permission. It's extremely funny
Speaker 1: that like the demons would be like, all right, you
Speaker 1: can put together a plague that kills six million people,
Speaker 1: but you've got a signpost at twenty five years earlier
Speaker 1: in a video game for the PlayStation one. You've got
Speaker 1: you've got to put it somehow a hint to it
Speaker 1: in the cool Spot video game. The main problem is
Speaker 1: that fiddle contests went out of style, so nobody had
Speaker 1: any way to fight back against them. Yeah, I I
Speaker 1: we we will know that. Uh this is true. When
Speaker 1: it turns out the actual cure for COVID involved mixing
Speaker 1: a bunch of a bunch of herbs and solving a puzzle.
Speaker 1: You just couldn't get that puzzle solved. It could be
Speaker 1: that you need to put ebola in a jar with
Speaker 1: some booze. That is Mike Adams beliefs. All right, please continue.
Speaker 1: Alex misrepresented preprint studies that would later be retracted in
Speaker 1: order to prove that the virus had like telltale signs
Speaker 1: of human creation. But one of the theories he was
Speaker 1: pushing hard early on that he has intentionally forgotten about
Speaker 1: sense was that the virus was a race specific bioweapon.
Speaker 1: This bio attack is race specific, targeting specifically Chinese military
Speaker 1: age males, and then almost all the people infected in
Speaker 1: almost all of those dying are males. Yeah, So, early on,
Speaker 1: because the virus was predominantly in China, Alex was pitching
Speaker 1: this narrative that it was a race if a bioweapon,
Speaker 1: They're all kinds of theories about like what the point
Speaker 1: of it would have been. And I want to remind
Speaker 1: people that Alex is always right of the time, and
Speaker 1: when he's saying you can find it on Twitter. Plenty
Speaker 1: of people they will point out that, hey, listen, whatever
Speaker 1: you say about his politics, his predictions are always accurate.
Speaker 1: It's like the Joe Rogan crew keeps saying that, and
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, he was saying they were going to
Speaker 1: kill every military age Chinese man with a plague. It's
Speaker 1: and it's interesting because like at this stage he's saying
Speaker 1: that it's like a NATO kind of conspiracy against China. Basically, well,
Speaker 1: he kind of thinks it's the globalists and maybe they're
Speaker 1: doing it because China sends fentanol to the United States
Speaker 1: and so it's like payback or there was a period
Speaker 1: of time where he was thinking that maybe it was
Speaker 1: that China wanted to decrease their population, so they did
Speaker 1: it to themselves. Yeah, that was that was an interesting take.
Speaker 1: His atitude on China is always so mixed because it's
Speaker 1: both like they're the ultimate you know, enemy because communism,
Speaker 1: but also like they don't like gay people and you know,
Speaker 1: you have to respect you know that they do this
Speaker 1: thing or that thing. Like he's he weirdly goes back
Speaker 1: and forth on China, and he also appreciates that they
Speaker 1: don't like Muslims. But then whatever it loves Seking for him,
Speaker 1: he will bring up how they're pressing the weakers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and try and score points off it because he's a
Speaker 1: piece of ship. Yeah, at least like the weird tankis
Speaker 1: are consistent on that point, as opposed to Alex just
Speaker 1: kind of wishy washing back and forth depending on whether
Speaker 1: or not they're doing something shitty he likes. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I brought along another clip about the race specific bioweapon,
Speaker 1: and it's just sort of like Alex explaining why that
Speaker 1: might happen in China, but it's serious and they're covering
Speaker 1: up what's really going on. And it's just incredible to
Speaker 1: me that it is so obviously a bio weapon, and
Speaker 1: that it's so obviously ray specific on record for Chinese men.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so specific. The Chinese genome is so close.
Speaker 1: Only other group maybe is closely related for a large
Speaker 1: population is Koreans what, And so yeah, they're made for
Speaker 1: if you don't want to use one, a ray specific
Speaker 1: bio weapon that say, kills a mongrel, which we think
Speaker 1: it was a bad terms term syathetically being able to
Speaker 1: fend off against things rights a pure breeds easier. And
Speaker 1: so look at British royalty and people, they're very sickly,
Speaker 1: they're very mentally ill. I'm not knocking Chinese folks. So
Speaker 1: they're real smart and got some great aviates, but on average,
Speaker 1: there's problems with being in bread. What yea, this feels
Speaker 1: great for me. Listen, here's why this feels great for me.
Speaker 1: And I just need I just need the world to
Speaker 1: hear this as much as possible. The number one we
Speaker 1: complain we get about our show is me being too
Speaker 1: loud and and screeching and such. But it's a reason.
Speaker 1: How are you to that like that? No, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're a giant racist, it is to your advantage
Speaker 1: to think a land mass and country as large as China,
Speaker 1: with the history it has, is only Han Chinese people.
Speaker 1: There's no other Yeah, and like a single family of
Speaker 1: as opposed to like, no, there's like it's an incredibly
Speaker 1: diverse there's all kinds of different like Lanna, no, no,
Speaker 1: you don't understand. She Huang the murdered everybody that wasn't him,
Speaker 1: and now that's China. I wonder how much of this
Speaker 1: is like people miss hearing kind of the statistic about
Speaker 1: like how many folks descended from Genghis Khan and being like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're all related. No, that's not No, that's not the case. No,
Speaker 1: I think I think that could be part of it.
Speaker 1: I think it's also a generous explanation. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: very that That is me being like, he's not just
Speaker 1: being racist because he thinks everyone looks the same from
Speaker 1: a matt like like a fifth of the planet's surface. Yes, yeah, correct,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the take I have. Well, that's what
Speaker 1: Alex is operating off of. Honestly, guys, that is We've
Speaker 1: we've covered a lot of like professional racists, like Alex
Speaker 1: is professionally like Alex is racist and does other things professionally.
Speaker 1: We've covered a lot of guys who are like professionally racist,
Speaker 1: And this is one of the most racist things we've
Speaker 1: ever heard on the show. That was quite It is
Speaker 1: so surreal to hear that because at this point, I
Speaker 1: mean that that to me is like a relatively milder
Speaker 1: version of where it can go. Yeah. Yeah. I feel
Speaker 1: like George Lincoln Rockwell would have been like, well, this
Speaker 1: is just factually wrong. Robert Ford would have been like,
Speaker 1: this is factually wrong. Yeah, oh god, yeah, so he
Speaker 1: he has abandoned narrative now obviously for obvious reason. I mean,
Speaker 1: I assume because Americans have such a high death toll,
Speaker 1: it would be very hard to Yeah, I think. I
Speaker 1: think once the virus spread to a lot more countries
Speaker 1: than China, this kind of narrative became really silly, and
Speaker 1: it became really transparent that it was based in sort
Speaker 1: of a racist idea, and he moved on. UM. But
Speaker 1: early on, there were a number of things that I
Speaker 1: think we're really funny, uh, that I have to bring
Speaker 1: to the attention of a wider audience. UM. And one
Speaker 1: of them is that early on Alex had read headline,
Speaker 1: he had misread a headline about Faucci, and he thought
Speaker 1: that Faucci was on his team and like he was
Speaker 1: Trump's science guy and he was going to be helping
Speaker 1: expose the the COVID conspiracies. And so here's what Alex
Speaker 1: said on February eighth about Faucci. Now, let's look at
Speaker 1: the facts. The president from his medical spokesperson, who's very respected.
Speaker 1: I made a lot of calls about Ucine the last
Speaker 1: few months. I knew who he was, and I say,
Speaker 1: he's very respected. A quote legend, He's a legend. He's
Speaker 1: a legend. And that's so that's Steve Pochenic right what
Speaker 1: to Cornell at the same time as Dr Foucher. There's
Speaker 1: a good chance, Yeah, there's a good chance that that's
Speaker 1: the influence. Who's telling Alex he's for folks who don't know.
Speaker 1: Steve Pachenk is a former State Department guy who probably
Speaker 1: helped assassinate the former president of Italy, Aldo Moro. Well,
Speaker 1: he was the president a definitely helped kill the Italian president.
Speaker 1: It is of all the things that he has made
Speaker 1: up which are legion, yeah, the one thing that is
Speaker 1: true is he did help to kill the president of
Speaker 1: Italy and exactly. Mostly he mostly seems to lie about
Speaker 1: things in order to push a variety of confusing agendas
Speaker 1: on on Info Wars and elsewhere. And he um, he was.
Speaker 1: He's behind so many of Alex's like really troubling conspiracies,
Speaker 1: like he was deeply involved in the Sandy Hook stuff.
Speaker 1: He uh. He He ended up having a fight with
Speaker 1: Alex because he was insisting that the Loss Vegas shooting
Speaker 1: never happened. Um. And then eventually the election was where
Speaker 1: their relationship really took a turn for the worst because
Speaker 1: he was insisting that he and his buddies had water
Speaker 1: marked every ballot Alex North Korea, No, and and so
Speaker 1: that was too much, and so Steve is kind of
Speaker 1: kind of gone for now. But yeah, Alex thought that
Speaker 1: Facci was a legend and he was gonna be like
Speaker 1: on the patriot side, and now they wanna hang him
Speaker 1: in the streets. It's always nice to Yeah, that's one
Speaker 1: of the big values of your show is just pointing
Speaker 1: out consistently, like there's nothing consistent about the things the
Speaker 1: fact will claims that Alex makes like he's comprehensively a
Speaker 1: liar and the fabulous and it's all documented using nothing
Speaker 1: but his own show. Yeah. Yeah, the most important thing
Speaker 1: is expedients, nothing else, what's useful and quick exactly. Um.
Speaker 1: So this this next work is actually of the pre
Speaker 1: mentioned Steve Pochenic, because I think that when people write
Speaker 1: the history of COVID, this is going to be a
Speaker 1: really important thing for people to remember. Corona coronavirus coming in.
Speaker 1: We will be safe. I can guarantee is because I
Speaker 1: treated a patient a month ago was really the first
Speaker 1: case of the coronavirus before I was ever reported of
Speaker 1: a gentleman who met with a Chinese individual and got
Speaker 1: the pneumonia and he was treated with high doses of antibiotics.
Speaker 1: And I am to know this individual very well because
Speaker 1: that individual happens to be me, service and the attorney together. Yep,
Speaker 1: so Steve was patient zero in the energetic antibiotics. Yes,
Speaker 1: well that's that. I mean, this is critical. We have
Speaker 1: a lot of covid historians on the cast, so I'm
Speaker 1: glad we've gotten this out. It's this canon. It's really
Speaker 1: nice to know that we don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: the coronavirus. That it's gonna be okay, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be a big problem. Um, I am. Let me travel
Speaker 1: back in time and tell myself that I won't be
Speaker 1: spending the next two years barely leaving my house because
Speaker 1: of the earth shattering plague. It will all be that.
Speaker 1: It is one of my favorite things to imagine Steve
Speaker 1: pogenic during any pandemic throughout history. Just explained to it. Listen, Alex,
Speaker 1: Tuberculosis shouldn't be called consumption. What I did is consume
Speaker 1: the virus. That's how it works. Um. We are going
Speaker 1: to continue on this, but first, you know who loves
Speaker 1: Steve Pachetik. Who's that the products and services support this podcast?
Speaker 1: Because they know, if the Italian government ever starts leaning
Speaker 1: a little bit to the left, Steve jen is gonna
Speaker 1: come in. He's gonna kill that motherfucking president Italy, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep those products flowing through the Italian countryside.
Speaker 1: You know, here's ads. Ah, We're back. So Steve got
Speaker 1: in the news recently, right, there was some ship Yeah
Speaker 1: what yeah, talk, Let's talk about this a second, because
Speaker 1: this was kind of a big story. Um. So, Clarence
Speaker 1: Thomas's wife, Jennie Thomas h during during the overthrow of
Speaker 1: the United States and when she was doing a little
Speaker 1: bit of light treason involved. Yeah, she was. She was
Speaker 1: texting as Supreme Court Justice of the United States. Uh,
Speaker 1: Steve Pochanic thoughts without question, and it was yeah, and
Speaker 1: it was about the watermarket. Was absolutely about the watermarkets
Speaker 1: being a perhaps legitimate way to to just invalidate the
Speaker 1: entire election head it all on blockchain. Absolutely, And then
Speaker 1: shortly after that it seems that Clarence Thomas was the
Speaker 1: only person who was like, overthrowing the government is fine, right,
Speaker 1: everybody's cool with that. Um does this does this suggest
Speaker 1: because you know, Stev p has been in the mix
Speaker 1: long enough that I could just see her having known
Speaker 1: him from from his State department days, because do you
Speaker 1: think she caught him on fucking from the from the
Speaker 1: Alex Jones show. I think his name rings out in
Speaker 1: conspiracy communities, like I think that he because of his
Speaker 1: importance on Alex's show and the way that Alex basically
Speaker 1: fraudulently allowed him to make up whatever credentials he wanted. Um,
Speaker 1: he became pretty big within a subsection of the conspiracy world.
Speaker 1: So he has his own kind of sphere of influence
Speaker 1: that you probably found him through, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of Q people are kind of gravitating to him. Also.
Speaker 1: Steve Pochenek, despite the fact that Tom Clancy wrote the
Speaker 1: first Jack Ryan novel several years before their partnership, again,
Speaker 1: insists that Jack Ryan is based entirely upon his life.
Speaker 1: That sounds right, Yeah, he did. He That's also a
Speaker 1: weird thing about Steve, as he had a partnership with
Speaker 1: Tom Clancy for a period of time for The Net Force.
Speaker 1: The Net Force novels not necessarily a adult franchise. They
Speaker 1: also were ghost written by somebody else hasn't written a
Speaker 1: novel for forty years. Let's just be mean. The Net
Speaker 1: Force stories were nearly as accurate as Shatner's Tech war novels,
Speaker 1: which is quite accurate. Oh, what's really funny about tech
Speaker 1: warf I'm remembering correctly. They basically like future detective stories.
Speaker 1: But the primary, the center of every book is that
Speaker 1: this guy is incredibly divorced and keeps having custody backs.
Speaker 1: Really funny. What's what's great about that is that is
Speaker 1: almost borderline similar to Isaac as Amos the Caves of
Speaker 1: Steel novels. You love to see it just nothing like
Speaker 1: a divorced dude write in the book. Let's let's get
Speaker 1: Elon Musk to write a sci fi novel that'll be that.
Speaker 1: That would be a hoot. Let's not. Um okay, so
Speaker 1: let's move on. Sure. Um. So, as we were leaving off,
Speaker 1: we're getting sort of to the point where cases are
Speaker 1: starting to rise in the United States, And at that
Speaker 1: point things had to change because the narratives that Alex
Speaker 1: were building at that point they weren't possible to sustain
Speaker 1: in an environment of sustained spread in multiple countries. People
Speaker 1: who aren't Chinese would be catching the virus, and there
Speaker 1: goes the race specificative. For instance, plus Alex doesn't want
Speaker 1: actual panic. He wants people to be on the edge
Speaker 1: of panic, but still somewhat able to keep living in
Speaker 1: normal life so they can afford to buy his products.
Speaker 1: Making the audience directly interrationally afraid of the virus would
Speaker 1: make them more likely to take public health guidance. Seriously,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be good for Alex's market, So the main
Speaker 1: emphasis was always to use the virus to push fear
Speaker 1: about something else. The virus was meant for the globalists
Speaker 1: to push forced vaccinations. People wearing masks was to train
Speaker 1: people for the coming martial law. Social distancing was to
Speaker 1: force people to vote remotely, which would allow Democrats to
Speaker 1: steal the election. These were the kind of ways that
Speaker 1: the tentacles grew out from the base of where the
Speaker 1: narratives began. Yeah, what I would even argue is because
Speaker 1: we did go back and look at when the Abula
Speaker 1: outbreak happened in the United States, and Alex was treating
Speaker 1: the initial days exactly the same way he did with
Speaker 1: the Abula outbreak, the only difference being, of course, that
Speaker 1: it was handled appropriately instead of the response to the
Speaker 1: virus being overtaken by Jared Kushner and millions of people
Speaker 1: being sentenced to death. So it's a little bit different.
Speaker 1: A certain amount of luck and a certain amount of luck. Yes,
Speaker 1: so there was a point I couldn't tell if we
Speaker 1: had frozen. No, no, no, no, I was just I
Speaker 1: was just in agreement, but did not have anything to
Speaker 1: add at the Yeah, So there was actually even a
Speaker 1: point we met. We brought up Mike Adams, the health
Speaker 1: ranger earlier. There was actually a point where he was
Speaker 1: trying to pitch the idea that terrorists had infected the
Speaker 1: United States because they would get more virgins after they
Speaker 1: die if they infected a city. And here is him
Speaker 1: being a complete asshole. I don't know how many virgins
Speaker 1: these Islamic terrorists get for blowing themselves up, but there's
Speaker 1: probably bonus virgins out there if they in fact all
Speaker 1: of New York City or something with this virus. I
Speaker 1: don't know how their virginomics system works. You know, they're
Speaker 1: insane and they think they're going so's I I hate
Speaker 1: to admit this, but but I feel like this is
Speaker 1: a safe place. I kind of think the term virgin
Speaker 1: omics is is hilarious, and I may I may steal that,
Speaker 1: I may take that one. The next time I have
Speaker 1: to write about in cells. If you if you start
Speaker 1: talking about virgin omics, that's a brick and that's fair.
Speaker 1: That's fair. There's there's Reaganomics, there's freakonomics, and there's virgin omics.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows those are the three pillars of American society.
Speaker 1: And Reagan was a freaky virgin and he he for
Speaker 1: share was that is that is the face of a
Speaker 1: man who never fucked. Nancy told him it wasn't real.
Speaker 1: So everything was really sloppy, and if you were listening
Speaker 1: and paying attention to Alex's show back during these periods,
Speaker 1: it would be really hard to nail down what his
Speaker 1: position even was. And even if you did, it would
Speaker 1: have changed a bunch since then, Like it was constantly
Speaker 1: in flux, and it wasn't really ever. It's just you
Speaker 1: know it, it's become whatever the right wing thing is.
Speaker 1: Ye Iver Meckden is really huge, Uh, drop the chloroquin.
Speaker 1: Every single thing that you see just getting traction in
Speaker 1: the right wing media world is going to be something
Speaker 1: Alex is gonna flirt with for a while um and
Speaker 1: then if he likes it and it works, then he'll
Speaker 1: incorporate it. Yeah, it's it's almost like the idea of
Speaker 1: Alex being that, you know, his self professed tip of
Speaker 1: the spear or having any sort of leadership over the
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory community community was completely abdicated. I mean, and
Speaker 1: he's he's only been following since then. Well yeah, when
Speaker 1: he tries to lead, it ends up with like that
Speaker 1: Raccoon City. Yeah, that'll happen, or that time where he
Speaker 1: was briefly leading the assault on the Capitol before Bailey.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that here in a minute. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, so like it, I think if you look
Speaker 1: at the early days of it's it's it's very interesting
Speaker 1: to see the ways that he floated these narratives and
Speaker 1: he had these things in place, and the circumstances forced
Speaker 1: him to change. Um. But there is one thing that
Speaker 1: I will always be thankful for, and it is this
Speaker 1: clip of Alex really just getting some deep insight from
Speaker 1: a caller about ways that you can keep yourself safe
Speaker 1: from COVID. My brother told me, I don't know where
Speaker 1: he got this from. It thought of it. They said,
Speaker 1: just remember, don't pop any bubble around because of the
Speaker 1: air comes from China. Oh my god, another good point.
Speaker 1: You know other good point, another good point that's you
Speaker 1: know what's nice about that is it's I'm not sure
Speaker 1: exactly how that's racist, but it is um. But it's
Speaker 1: also like it's the kind that's it's so dumb that
Speaker 1: you you can laugh at it, as opposed to like
Speaker 1: a lot of the particularly with all of them. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it does feed into a lot of the
Speaker 1: horrible anti Asian hate crimes and stuff. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I I just can't. I just can't take seriously a
Speaker 1: guy who's so paranoid about China that he thinks the
Speaker 1: bubble wrap is full of deadly Chinese air like his
Speaker 1: brother told him about it. That is the kind of
Speaker 1: and and there have to have been He doesn't say this,
Speaker 1: but that conversation didn't happen without the aid of twenty
Speaker 1: to fifty keystones, right like that that was like enough
Speaker 1: a quant the bulk of a truck bed in keystone
Speaker 1: light is like enough to give you a buzz. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just just enough, just have to get you on the
Speaker 1: back of the a t V where you and two
Speaker 1: generations of your family die godless. I kind of felt
Speaker 1: like he might have been an ice guy like to
Speaker 1: take it up a notch. That's classier. Yea. So one
Speaker 1: of the things that I thought about when we were
Speaker 1: talking about doing this episode, uh and checking back in,
Speaker 1: was I don't want to track too much of like
Speaker 1: where things went after the kind of a little bit
Speaker 1: of the immediacy, because then we would just be we've
Speaker 1: kind to be here all day. Um. And so you know,
Speaker 1: that's kind of a picture of a bit of Alex's
Speaker 1: coverage of the coronavirus um and in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: where it went is where everybody else went. True, So
Speaker 1: you already know you already know where it went. You've
Speaker 1: probably heard a lot of things you probably haven't heard
Speaker 1: about the race specific bioweapons that those Yeah, god awesome.
Speaker 1: So let's jump to January six. Then if we, uh,
Speaker 1: you mentioned Alex briefly leading the charge. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: leading is maybe a little bit strong of a word,
Speaker 1: but it's certainly like at the head of a crowd
Speaker 1: and then realizing that he was at the head of
Speaker 1: a crowd that was about to commit crimes and panicking.
Speaker 1: Would that be accurate? I think. I think when you
Speaker 1: have like a bunch of people who really want to
Speaker 1: overturn an election and you're chanting seventeen seventy six. Um,
Speaker 1: it does often, am ladies and gentlemen. I've just realized
Speaker 1: that I am going to be liable for whatever happens
Speaker 1: to me after this, So we need to leave this
Speaker 1: space entirely. This is a classic Yeah, I will be
Speaker 1: in trouble and you guys will be fine, and that
Speaker 1: is a problem. So what I wanted to start with
Speaker 1: is I wanted to look at the lead up to
Speaker 1: January six, UH and show some of these things that
Speaker 1: were happening, Like Alex was deeply involved in the various
Speaker 1: groups that would end up being at the Capitol, and
Speaker 1: some of them were potentially engaged in seditious conspiracies to
Speaker 1: stop the election from being certified. In November, Alex sent
Speaker 1: Owen Troyer on a barn storming tour up the East coast,
Speaker 1: stopping at a string of poorly attended stop the Steel rallies,
Speaker 1: ultimately culminating in the original rally in d C, the
Speaker 1: one that was prior to UH, the January six rally.
Speaker 1: At that point, it was abundantly clear that Alex's position
Speaker 1: was that the election had definitively been stolen by Biden,
Speaker 1: and so stealing it back was an appropriate act. They
Speaker 1: stole this rigor than Dallas in front of everybody. But hey,
Speaker 1: if you catch somebody in your house with the safe,
Speaker 1: or in your house with the computers, or in your
Speaker 1: house with a silverware and the family heirlooms, you have
Speaker 1: a right to take it back. Damn right you do.
Speaker 1: And so they are panicking. They're saying, have a coup
Speaker 1: against Trump. All over the news. They're saying he's insane,
Speaker 1: he's crazy because he's not gonna let them have this
Speaker 1: fifth ageptan coup against us. Separately, you've got my commitment
Speaker 1: to burn the candle in both instair Ladies and Joan,
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Speaker 1: That's Pivot has done. Robert goddamn, I mean, is this
Speaker 1: what is his products and services? Listen, listen, you gotta
Speaker 1: overthrow the country and you gotta buy my ship. And
Speaker 1: it's not simple, it is. I gotta give the man credit.
Speaker 1: There's not there's there's things he's good at as a broadcaster,
Speaker 1: and that was that was a masterful ad pivot. He's
Speaker 1: good at saying briefly yeah, shifting entirely over to sales.
Speaker 1: He he's his powers for good. He could have moved
Speaker 1: a lot of dick pills. That's true. He did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. Um, the rob wh wife has given us
Speaker 1: the we have a tough report, a tough report from
Speaker 1: our whose wife. So you have the mentality there that
Speaker 1: the election has stolen and that it's ethical to steal
Speaker 1: it back, which I mean, you know, this is November,
Speaker 1: so these ideas are kind of percolating a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's I mean not. I mean that you hear that
Speaker 1: basic logic all over the right today where they the
Speaker 1: reason they accused the Left of having stolen the election
Speaker 1: is that it's covered to steal the next one, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And So at that time, though, when Alex was going
Speaker 1: to the rally in d C, I think that he
Speaker 1: expected it to go worse than it did. I kind
Speaker 1: of suspect that he thought that original Stop the Steel
Speaker 1: rally might have turned out like the January six rally
Speaker 1: did um, and it ended up being kind of mild
Speaker 1: although a couple of people did get stabbed, so I
Speaker 1: mean it was it was ugly in the streets, but
Speaker 1: it was not like a threat to the continuance of
Speaker 1: the demotrat cratic traditions of the country. I guess it
Speaker 1: was like a giant, ugly street fight in the sheets. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: but I think that Alex was thinking it was going
Speaker 1: to be much huger, and so in the lead up
Speaker 1: he was doing a lot of like real doom talk
Speaker 1: like this, I've thought about doing this broadcast for twenty
Speaker 1: six plus years. You always think about what could be
Speaker 1: your last broadcast. I'm not saying this is my last broadcast,
Speaker 1: but I need to just let you know I need
Speaker 1: to explain something to you that I don't exaggerate any
Speaker 1: of this. Okay, most of the time it's worse than
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, And this could be our last broadcast.
Speaker 1: Next week could be. But the zone we're in right now,
Speaker 1: the internet kill switch they've got, they can hit tele
Speaker 1: communications as well, and we're in the prime zone for
Speaker 1: them to assassinate Trump, set a new cough anything, anything, anything.
Speaker 1: So a lot of that that fear talk is, you know,
Speaker 1: surrounding that that original DC stopped the Steel rally that
Speaker 1: didn't didn't culminate the way he was prepping. Yeah, it's um,
Speaker 1: I mean he definitely. How many times would you say
Speaker 1: he has said this may be my last show? So many?
Speaker 1: Is it more than you have fingers and toes? Yes?
Speaker 1: How many days are there in twenty years? Well, it's
Speaker 1: not all of this. Well, let's see if I'm remembering,
Speaker 1: if I'm remembering my education, which was entirely one song
Speaker 1: from the movie or from the play rent. Uh, let's
Speaker 1: see how many minutes minutes? Now, how do you turn
Speaker 1: that into days? I don't know whatever. How do you
Speaker 1: measure Alex's bullshit? Yeah? Do you solve a problem like Alex?
Speaker 1: We got a we got a hook DJ dan Archy,
Speaker 1: who's does uf theme song? Up? With my buddy prop
Speaker 1: and and put together a cover of OFDS six hundred bullshit.
Speaker 1: I can't count that high. So, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of excitement that got built off the original stop
Speaker 1: to Steel d C rally, and there were these other
Speaker 1: rallies that were going on at state capitals around the country,
Speaker 1: but there was no real progress being made on overturning
Speaker 1: the election, so it was necessary to do it. Again
Speaker 1: in d C, but bigger, and thus plans for January
Speaker 1: six started to form more solidly. Alex's involvement in the
Speaker 1: events of that day are kind of less interesting to
Speaker 1: me than the way he engaged with the lead up
Speaker 1: to the rally, in the way that everything was covered
Speaker 1: by his employees and himself in the lead up to
Speaker 1: the rally ally, Alexander was a constant fixture on Alex's show,
Speaker 1: promoting the Stop the Steel rallies and tying election denial
Speaker 1: with extremist Christianity. Stuart Rhodes was a regular guest discussing
Speaker 1: how Trump needed to declare an emergency so he could
Speaker 1: bring in martial law and deputize the Oathkeepers as his
Speaker 1: personal militia. More shockingly, perhaps, was that Matt Bracken, who's
Speaker 1: a weirdo. He was discussing the actual January six rally
Speaker 1: when he was hosting the fourth hour of Alex's show
Speaker 1: on January and he said this that We're not going
Speaker 1: to be saved by anybody above us. We're going to
Speaker 1: only be saved by millions of Americans moving to Washington,
Speaker 1: occupying the entire area, if if necessary, storming right into
Speaker 1: the Capitol you know there, we know the rules of engagement.
Speaker 1: If you have enough people, you can push down any
Speaker 1: kind of offense or a wall. But if not enough
Speaker 1: patriots show up, then we're just going to watch our
Speaker 1: freedom go down the drain. Yeah, so that's that is
Speaker 1: one of those things that sounds really bad in hindsight
Speaker 1: when those things actually do happen. Yeah, they do. And
Speaker 1: I mean he's also because what he's physically described, describing
Speaker 1: it has shades of Jan's six. It also sounds a
Speaker 1: lot like what happened in Canada earlier this year, you know,
Speaker 1: like especially because what they didn't do, they didn't actually
Speaker 1: shut down the city on j six. That is what
Speaker 1: happened with like the caravan, where they're like, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna flood this area and make it impossible for like
Speaker 1: life to exist normally in this major city. Well that's that.
Speaker 1: That was part of the conversation that was happening around
Speaker 1: January since in these in these communities, like like that
Speaker 1: same day on December thirty one, Alex was taking calls
Speaker 1: and what somebody called in was like, hey, can we
Speaker 1: get all the people who have boats to block up
Speaker 1: the Potomac? Can we can we seize the Potomac so
Speaker 1: we can aid in our our occupation of dcs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and one of the things about that blockade is, like,
Speaker 1: I think it could be argued that if they had coherent,
Speaker 1: achievable goals, they may have gotten them. You know, like,
Speaker 1: if they it's there there, it was clearly an effective circumstance,
Speaker 1: and if they could have negotiated their way into they
Speaker 1: could have gotten something. But the fact that none of
Speaker 1: them had any idea what exactly it was that they
Speaker 1: were doing in the first place kind of really hampered
Speaker 1: that kind of idea of negotiations. Yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's uh, it makes sense because like you uh, like,
Speaker 1: it's easy to get a bunch of motherfucker's who are
Speaker 1: angry and want to feel and want to feel like
Speaker 1: revolutionaries and are willing to like park their fucking trucks downtown,
Speaker 1: especially if there's like clout in it and potentially raising
Speaker 1: money and ship It's harder to get that same group
Speaker 1: of motherfucker's to all agree on what should be done
Speaker 1: because a significant portion of the people who are going
Speaker 1: to come and camp out in a capital for weeks
Speaker 1: to disrupt business aren't just gonna want like an into
Speaker 1: mask mandates. They're gonna want to be allowed to mail
Speaker 1: each other raw milk. Like you also want to be
Speaker 1: allowed to marry my sixteen year old Wait what, there's
Speaker 1: no money, Jordan. As someone raised in an evangelical Christian cole,
Speaker 1: you know, damn well it's legal to marry. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I don't know about Canada's rules alright. So so in
Speaker 1: the days leading up to the six, Alex had guests
Speaker 1: on his show, like his alleged constitutional lawyer friend Robert Barnes,
Speaker 1: who was directly suggesting that Trump should just pretend to
Speaker 1: also be president even though he had lost the election,
Speaker 1: no matter what, because he's the rightful leader of the country,
Speaker 1: so why not fake it. We'll talk about what Trump's
Speaker 1: role should be if they effectively steal it. He's gotta
Speaker 1: never concede and just be the president in Abstenia uh
Speaker 1: in in exile, and just keep building the movement against him.
Speaker 1: You agree with that, Oh, no doubt about it. And
Speaker 1: it needs to be at the There's been too much
Speaker 1: focus at the top. You always focuses on the top.
Speaker 1: We need to focus. This needs to be a bottom
Speaker 1: up revolution. If it's gonna work. So they just have
Speaker 1: a second president. It's fun. It's like the dark because
Speaker 1: they haven't for one thing. Having a first president works
Speaker 1: out so good. You gotta have a kind of double
Speaker 1: him up, have him fight. Yeah, that actually sounds kind
Speaker 1: of funny. The problem, the problem that Lincoln had is
Speaker 1: he wasn't really willing to co govern with That was
Speaker 1: the main issue, and that's why they had to start
Speaker 1: the whole warld. We all know that the last season
Speaker 1: of the Game of Thrones was disappointing. We don't want
Speaker 1: to repeat of that. Okay, no, no, no, Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I I happened to like it when
Speaker 1: everybody's unhappy. Which is why I liked the Game of
Speaker 1: Thrones in the first place, is that it kept making
Speaker 1: my friends sad. Um So I was really happy with
Speaker 1: the ending because everybody was miserable. Fair enough. So on
Speaker 1: January five, Alex was in d C and he ended
Speaker 1: up giving a fiery speech at a rally there that
Speaker 1: Mike sound a little bit unfortunate in hindsight, tomorrow it's
Speaker 1: the right day. I don't quietly take the election fraud.
Speaker 1: We don't quietly take the scam and believe there be
Speaker 1: as we've seen the others, the system has had to
Speaker 1: desperately engage in this gambit to maintain control. But this
Speaker 1: will be there Waterloo, this will be their destruction. He
Speaker 1: sounds like ship. What is he just like so much?
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's wasted. He sounds like yeah,
Speaker 1: he sounds like smashed. Yeah, I think he was drunk
Speaker 1: and probably his cardio isn't what you'd wanted to be.
Speaker 1: And so you know, he can give a speech that's
Speaker 1: kind of rousing, but at the same time, there's a
Speaker 1: there's a staccato nature that's necessary because breaths. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't talk about enough is the fact that he
Speaker 1: used to be jacked. I talked about it all the time.
Speaker 1: I didn't know I could disagree with the human being more.
Speaker 1: He don't talk about any of that, Like there's it's
Speaker 1: just there's some people that it's I'm never I never
Speaker 1: used to be hot. I mean, you don't even get it, dude.
Speaker 1: I've done a number of episodes about how hot Girbles was.
Speaker 1: But that's that's the side of the point. No, It's
Speaker 1: like there's a couple of people, for like Alex Jones,
Speaker 1: just like thinking back to him being a bodybuilder is weird.
Speaker 1: And then there's um fucking Keith David, who, like you know,
Speaker 1: I've seen in a bunch of things, watching him in
Speaker 1: community and being like that motherfucker beat the ship out
Speaker 1: of rowdy Roddy Piper like I was. He was yoked,
Speaker 1: like he wasn't just muscle e he was like wrestling jacked.
Speaker 1: It's just weird. Keith David. Yeah, he's incredible. He's just
Speaker 1: one of those people where every time I see him
Speaker 1: in something now and I think, like that motherfucker was shredded. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear that. Everybody gets really blown away when they
Speaker 1: if they haven't seen those pictures of Alex as a
Speaker 1: muscly young man. Yeah, and to think it's just underneath there.
Speaker 1: He's somewhere in there, somewhere in all of that, underneath
Speaker 1: that thick, thickneck. Yeah, except you can only get it
Speaker 1: to it with a knife. He's amount of exercise that
Speaker 1: couldn't get that. He has buried that Alex the same
Speaker 1: way Steve Pochinik buried Aldo Morrow. So that night, January five,
Speaker 1: they had some speeches and also Owen Shroyer, Alex's number
Speaker 1: two second in command, his riker. Uh he filmed himself
Speaker 1: hanging out with some proud boy associates and they were
Speaker 1: burning a Black Lives Matter flag on the streets of
Speaker 1: d C peacefully. This is why what's his name would
Speaker 1: wind up doing like six months in prison, uh Rick Atario. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before the most recent that he's went to prison. Back
Speaker 1: the last time before this time that he went to prison,
Speaker 1: it was for this, Yeah, because he he like stole
Speaker 1: someone's Black Lives Matter better, which kind of applies. He
Speaker 1: bought his that it it does, which is very funny.
Speaker 1: Uh So on the actual day of the rally, Alex
Speaker 1: and O and Troyer were in d C. So that
Speaker 1: just left Harrison Smith as the on air talent in
Speaker 1: quotes that was at INFO War, so he hosted all day.
Speaker 1: If you watch his coverage, it's abundantly clear that he
Speaker 1: was pomped for the possibility of a siege of the Capitol,
Speaker 1: and when it did happen, he was basically, you know,
Speaker 1: celebrating the home team doing doing their bids. Here he
Speaker 1: is like in the lead up to what's going on
Speaker 1: at the march. Alright, folks, So Donald Trump coming up next?
Speaker 1: Alex Jones leading the march to Capitol. It's all happening, folks.
Speaker 1: It's January six, and the revolution, the Second American Revolution
Speaker 1: has begun. So yeah, it's a Second American Revolution. It's
Speaker 1: going on. So let's let's just remind everybody that Cake
Speaker 1: did not have anything to do with this particular clips
Speaker 1: not involved in the overthrow of the United States governments.
Speaker 1: Let's also let's also remember that while the January six
Speaker 1: writers were certainly going for speed, they were not in
Speaker 1: fact going the distance. That is true. They were not
Speaker 1: all alone, No, they were not. I can't I cannot
Speaker 1: find anybody who would really who would really be like
Speaker 1: I am the biggest Cake fan, But I also cannot
Speaker 1: find anybody who does not know the lyrics to at
Speaker 1: least one Cake, sofic I mean, it would be the
Speaker 1: funniest thing we could have done with this episode, is
Speaker 1: that from that point we just for the next hour
Speaker 1: and a half talk to each other in Cake lyrics.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I have got too much of a short
Speaker 1: skirt to be talking about Cake. Yeah. So on air
Speaker 1: that day on the sixth, Harrison Smith obviously was very
Speaker 1: excited about, uh the what was going on, and he
Speaker 1: decided to commission a symphony and seat it's another cake
Speaker 1: so right, yes, yes, I suggested this and then realized
Speaker 1: half of the cake songs, I know them covering other people.
Speaker 1: Oh you you were just gonna be like, I will
Speaker 1: survive having I'm gonna be honest. Of the songs, I
Speaker 1: think our cake songs are Actually they might be giants. Sure,
Speaker 1: maybe a tonic song in the mix. There a couple
Speaker 1: of them. So, but Harrison was very much celebrating, and
Speaker 1: as the images started to come out of people rushing
Speaker 1: the capitol, here was his take on that. But Americans
Speaker 1: are live updates from Alex Jones more on the other side,
Speaker 1: The capitol has fallen, the patriots are in control the patriots.
Speaker 1: The capital has fallen. The Capitol has fallen. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was a deeply celebratory mood on on Harrison Smith's coverage
Speaker 1: of the show. What's funny about that clip is that
Speaker 1: in an alternate reality, that's what plays in like the
Speaker 1: thirty second opening before it fades to like a bunch
Speaker 1: of people in a bombed out city huddled around their rifles,
Speaker 1: rating waiting for the government forces. Yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: real situation where Harrison is trying to argue that sheep
Speaker 1: go to heaven and go to hell. That's right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they shot their shot. You know, like that coverage is
Speaker 1: exactly what you would expect someone to do if that
Speaker 1: whole taking over the Capitol had succeeded. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: totally it does. It sounds like a broadcast from an alternate.
Speaker 1: It's like like if if Orson Wells had written this,
Speaker 1: you'd be like perfect. If it's like in Man in
Speaker 1: the High Castle, you're getting a glimpse through the veil, yeah,
Speaker 1: or if it's like shadow Stabbing, which is apparently a
Speaker 1: cake song that I haven't heard. Did you just look up?
Speaker 1: You know what? You know what? That's literally what I
Speaker 1: typed into Google because I'm as as this bit continues,
Speaker 1: I'm realizing I don't know as many cake songs as
Speaker 1: I think I do. I it was really unprepared for
Speaker 1: this bit to continue going. I mean, it's crazy to
Speaker 1: me that you guys, because from what I can see,
Speaker 1: both of you have very healthy breasts. Thank you. That's
Speaker 1: a cake bit on my Italian leather So how many
Speaker 1: do you know? What leather solf as one of the songs, Well,
Speaker 1: you know Jordan's I'm not Sick of You, which is
Speaker 1: apparently another cake song. I don't know that song. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that that. I don't know enough cake songs. Fashion Eagle.
Speaker 1: There's not the album Comfort Eagle Comfortash Fashion Nugget. Is
Speaker 1: it sounds like that sounds like a cake song? Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: this bit must really has to at this point. You know,
Speaker 1: you know what would be a good end to this bit, Robert,
Speaker 1: if we actually if we went to an ad break.
Speaker 1: Four Cake. Yeah, four cake. Cake is the primary sponsor
Speaker 1: of our show. Um, so you know, uh, don't kill
Speaker 1: a goat because they're already doomed to hell. I guess okay,
Speaker 1: we're back, uh and and and better than ever. All right,
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's let's let's keep this. Let's keep this cakeless,
Speaker 1: cakeless thing without cake. Yeah, continue sands cake so um.
Speaker 1: Before the break, we were hearing the Harrison Smith celebratory
Speaker 1: coverage of the sixth as it was going down. But
Speaker 1: once Alex was able to get to a phone, he
Speaker 1: immediately changed the narrative and the celebration has not been
Speaker 1: seen since from that point on. It was a false flag.
Speaker 1: You better believe it was a damn false flag. The
Speaker 1: globalless tricks, some que people and some Antifa people dressed
Speaker 1: like Trump supporters to go into the capital so they
Speaker 1: could start rounding up the patriots like Alex. As more
Speaker 1: information came out, Alex had to adjust the narrative a little,
Speaker 1: but as a whole, it's basically just the core of
Speaker 1: his story and everything else has been rationalizations from that
Speaker 1: point on, and his his narratives have gotten quite boring
Speaker 1: for the most part. Nothing will live up to the
Speaker 1: day of their capital has fallen? Is that's That's a
Speaker 1: quote that really would go down and infamy had it happened.
Speaker 1: It's like because if it had happened, Harrison Smith would
Speaker 1: have been the first person to call it, and he
Speaker 1: would have been the host on the pro Uh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: as separatist Fox News. It wasn't even like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is a great move, you know, like it's just Harrison Smith. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were people at Fox News, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure those people were tackled by lawyers before they So
Speaker 1: it remains to be seen exactly how involved Alex was
Speaker 1: intentionally or accidentally with the people who are making active
Speaker 1: plans to do what they did on the six So
Speaker 1: I think it's best to reserve judgment on that question.
Speaker 1: But the overwhelming level of connections between bad actors who
Speaker 1: are up to no good that day really seems suspicious.
Speaker 1: But I think it's equally likely that Alex knew what
Speaker 1: they were up to and that he had no idea.
Speaker 1: It seems plausible to me that he would act exactly
Speaker 1: the same way regardless of whether he knew he was
Speaker 1: mixed up in a seditious conspiracy or not. He would
Speaker 1: just that he's kind of in seditious conspiracy mode against
Speaker 1: the government at all times, so he doesn't need to know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just any time that a seditious conspiracy
Speaker 1: is happening, it is concurrent with Alex also saying that
Speaker 1: a substitious conspiracy should be happening. You know, yeah, it
Speaker 1: could be coincidence. Yeah, well, I mean it's always coincidence.
Speaker 1: So now Alex has Nick Fluentes on his channel, although
Speaker 1: you know, his his band out video website. But I
Speaker 1: think it's actually not that important because Nick Fluentes has
Speaker 1: his own site. Um, but he still associates with Nick
Speaker 1: and Nick loves January six. He sounds like Harrison on
Speaker 1: January six. Now yeah, yeah to day Nick Flintess now
Speaker 1: a contributor to Russia Today, who had him on to
Speaker 1: talk about rusophobia. Really sense. Yeah, he's been on RT recently.
Speaker 1: I mean, doesn't that suggest that you're really desperate, doesn't
Speaker 1: like you you're getting on five year old asshole or whatever.
Speaker 1: If you're getting a twenty five year old Nazi, you're
Speaker 1: getting like you're getting like discount, you're getting like the
Speaker 1: Kirkland brand, George Lincoln Rockwell to like come on and
Speaker 1: talk to you. Absolutely. I'm pretty sure they've interviewed Mike
Speaker 1: Adams in the past that mine has been on forever,
Speaker 1: Lionel has been on for Lionel's, Lionel's grandfather it in
Speaker 1: his royalty. I don't know, don't know if they have
Speaker 1: much standards over there in terms of who the Max
Speaker 1: Kaiser had a show. Um, so yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: the rest of alex is playing out of his January
Speaker 1: six conspiracies has been again the same way. It's sort
Speaker 1: of it tracks with a lot of the same stuff
Speaker 1: you see in the broader right wing media landscape, although
Speaker 1: he does have to do a little bit more gymnastics
Speaker 1: because of his close associations with people like Stuart Rhodes, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know when he gets arrested for this conspiracy and
Speaker 1: in the UM, you know, the charging fi David or
Speaker 1: the the indictment. There's so much information in there that
Speaker 1: Alex is like, I don't really wanna deal. I have
Speaker 1: to pretend this isn't here. I mean, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: what it would be like to have somebody who you've
Speaker 1: had as a guest on your show so many times
Speaker 1: be arrested and indicted for seditious conspiracy. That would be
Speaker 1: a little bit difficult to work around that. That would
Speaker 1: definitely the UH caused some problems if that were to happen.
Speaker 1: Like if one of you were to be arrested for
Speaker 1: seditious conspiracy, UM, I would I would be really I
Speaker 1: mean I would, honestly knowing you probably be proud but
Speaker 1: that and it would be George, Yes, absolutely, Yeah. Let's
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you leaving up with the possibility that
Speaker 1: it could be one of us. I mean, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: I do tend to assume you commit your crimes as
Speaker 1: a unit we were solo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: gonna make a comic book reference, but I know about
Speaker 1: as much about comic books as I do about Cake. Apparently,
Speaker 1: so's gonna Oh boy, it's a lot like in Sandman
Speaker 1: Issue twenty two. Whenever, no, I I got nothing, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll do the collector series. Sandman Issue is my favorite
Speaker 1: cake song. So we want to jump ahead to the
Speaker 1: Ukraine business. Yes, um so, more recently this has been
Speaker 1: something that I think is I think we could all
Speaker 1: agree as a major world event. It's it's a pretty
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I would say, like a giant land
Speaker 1: war in Europe breaking out is moderately important, moderately important.
Speaker 1: So earlier this year, on February eight, Alex was leading
Speaker 1: the show and really getting excited about how Putin was
Speaker 1: threatening nuclear war over Ukraine and uh, he insists that
Speaker 1: it's because uh, they're attacking Russia, Ladies and gentlemen. This
Speaker 1: is a maximum red alert. Vladimir Putin is officially threatened
Speaker 1: from wide thermal nuclear war im Nature continues their invasion
Speaker 1: Red alert Maximal art tune in Alice for the word wars,
Speaker 1: the most banned network in the world. Um, so yeah,
Speaker 1: they NATO is attacking and uh, Putin is gonna nuke people. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're stoked about this. This is a man with
Speaker 1: honesty as his guiding principle. Uh nothing but the greatest
Speaker 1: of leadership. It's the most band network because they're the
Speaker 1: most accurate. Absolutely. Uh so. Yeah, but there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a nuke, and Alex is actually kind of thinking we
Speaker 1: deserve it. He was in one of those moods on
Speaker 1: the on the age, so he's kind of gross. Most
Speaker 1: of us will just get knocked down and maybe the
Speaker 1: roof came in on you, but when you come outside,
Speaker 1: you'll be breathing all that delicious radiation and of course
Speaker 1: the power won't be coming back on for years if
Speaker 1: you're lucky. Shore. That's where we are, and we're an
Speaker 1: evil decadat Satanic Society, and I guess it's time to die.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, well okay, yeah, yeah. So he does that
Speaker 1: a bit. He every now and again gets into how
Speaker 1: sinful we are and uh no, he deserved to die,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, look, I don't do it for
Speaker 1: religious reasons, but I will admit every now and then,
Speaker 1: like when I'm i don't know, briefly stuck in line
Speaker 1: at the grocery store, I'll think we do deserve to
Speaker 1: just all nuclear hell fire, any any any time. You know,
Speaker 1: when it happens is whenever I'm ringing up a product
Speaker 1: at one of the auto checkout things and then it
Speaker 1: like fucks up and I have to wait for someone
Speaker 1: to come. That's when I'm like, just take us now,
Speaker 1: just drop the bombs, end it all. I think having
Speaker 1: those quiet moments is fine, But lashing out at your
Speaker 1: audience emotionally like that, I think is because maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit tackier, maybe a little ghost traffic. One of
Speaker 1: the great things about being bipolars that you're so used
Speaker 1: to suicidal thoughts that whenever they come for such like
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh my god, this guy in traffic,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna kill myself right now, You're like, that's
Speaker 1: a good thought. I'm just gonna let that go. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna smooth through it. You don't go on, say a
Speaker 1: radio network, and well, if I want to die, everyone
Speaker 1: has to die projected to yeah. Yeah. So ten days later,
Speaker 1: in February eighteenth, Alex had sort of evolved this narrative
Speaker 1: and now his the situation that he was reporting is
Speaker 1: that Putin is just trying to stop Western forces that
Speaker 1: are going door to door killing people. In the dun
Speaker 1: Boss region. Russia has tried to not escalate thanks and
Speaker 1: Putin has tried to play things down so that hardliners
Speaker 1: don't engage in a coup against him, of course, but
Speaker 1: he's gonnahead just come out and said what we already knew.
Speaker 1: There's a massive Western offensive attacking Russian held areas of
Speaker 1: eastern Ukraine, and they're engaged in genocide there, going house
Speaker 1: to house, taking people out front their houses and killing them.
Speaker 1: And this is all being done again as a provocation,
Speaker 1: just like in the last duel. Whe they're splitting the
Speaker 1: women and children's throats across the river to make them
Speaker 1: come across to lose the bridge. And that's an historic
Speaker 1: Tanki's actually the record books that happened. And they lost
Speaker 1: the battle, they lost the war. We have to let
Speaker 1: them attack these people, and these people have chosen this
Speaker 1: ro out, and I'm gonna pray for him and support them.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna slip the children's throats but because that
Speaker 1: will be too much. But um, that's the kind of
Speaker 1: stuff they're engaged in. Also, I should point out Alex
Speaker 1: saw the last duel the night before. Yeah, that does
Speaker 1: sound like he just watched the last duel. Yeah, It's
Speaker 1: important to remember that any geopolitical event is very similar
Speaker 1: to the last movie Alex watched in some way or
Speaker 1: form he brought He brought it up like three times
Speaker 1: on that episode. Well, you know, the last thing I
Speaker 1: watched is uh that show with Josh Brolin where there's
Speaker 1: a big hole, And this does have a lot in
Speaker 1: common with that. Um, because I also would like to
Speaker 1: throw Alex into a giant hole. Sure. Sure. The last
Speaker 1: movie I saw was that shy La Bouf movie Holds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: another movie with a similar message. Good, that is what
Speaker 1: I took out of holes. Make a joke about seeing
Speaker 1: that band? Which band? What hold the band? So um.
Speaker 1: On the twenty one to February, Alex played Putin's entire
Speaker 1: speech that he gave, which is the speech where he
Speaker 1: was laying out the rationale for eventually attacking Ukraine, and
Speaker 1: Alex interpret this incredibly incorrectly, thinking Putin was just saying
Speaker 1: that he didn't want any trouble and he just wanted
Speaker 1: to do business with Ukraine. You just wanted to look,
Speaker 1: if you want to join the West, that's fine, that's fine,
Speaker 1: joined the West, but just do business with us. Come on,
Speaker 1: and you know I don't see how you see any
Speaker 1: fault in Putin what he's saying. I mean, it's all
Speaker 1: historically true. Stalin's horrible, Lena's horrible. We're sorry what we
Speaker 1: did to you. Blah blah blah. What do you want
Speaker 1: to I mean, coming, do you want to be under
Speaker 1: George sorrows or you want to be your own country?
Speaker 1: We don't want you. If you want to do business
Speaker 1: with you, just just please please don't go to war
Speaker 1: with us. I mean, And here's somebody actually tell the
Speaker 1: truth from that level is powerful because the truth is powerful,
Speaker 1: and the truth lives and info wars. Wow, that one,
Speaker 1: that one aged real good. It's just going to take
Speaker 1: and then like three hours later the opposite happens, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to take over Ukraine. Oh now he
Speaker 1: is actively invading the capital if you and the sort
Speaker 1: of irony of the end, like the truth lives it
Speaker 1: inforce over like a sick guitar. That was a this
Speaker 1: is your Life career retrospective. Would definitely try to avoid
Speaker 1: adding that clip in there. It would it would probably
Speaker 1: be seen as cruel. Yeah, not a good way to go.
Speaker 1: As you brought up, Robert, it was almost immediate, like
Speaker 1: very quickly, so quickly he gave that speech and within
Speaker 1: hours he was shelling Kiev. Well, no, that was actually
Speaker 1: the speech before. This is Alex's responding to the speech before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the twenty one though. So it was like a
Speaker 1: day less than a day later, I believe, so, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so on the Alex had been proven wrong. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: Russia had invaded, and he had a number of really
Speaker 1: really bad angles that he took on it. First, here's
Speaker 1: here's Alex with a bad prediction. Putin's troops raise Russian
Speaker 1: flag in Ukraine as z tanks which have come from
Speaker 1: the east, and oh tanks that come from Belarush inner
Speaker 1: deeper into the nation, and there is no real resistance
Speaker 1: because just like the US bought off the Iraqi leadership
Speaker 1: in gold for one, in gold for two ninety plus
Speaker 1: percent of their generals, you see that Putin has already
Speaker 1: done his work and has already paid off the Ukrainian military.
Speaker 1: And that's why the Russians know they can roll right
Speaker 1: in and face almost no resistance, because that's how real
Speaker 1: war is done, Alex. Real war is done by purchasing
Speaker 1: the general's in advance of any sort of invasion. I
Speaker 1: mean that it seems like that might have worked better
Speaker 1: for you, for for Russia than what happened, which is
Speaker 1: like half of the generals that they had in the
Speaker 1: East have now been killed in fifty five days of fighting. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but again, alex is almost always right, He's he's It's
Speaker 1: incredible how accurately he predicted the fact that Ukraine would
Speaker 1: not put up a fight. There's prediction, and that's also analysis,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, it's not even just
Speaker 1: like looking into the future, it's like, this is the
Speaker 1: world man. He was so works. Yeah, and that's why
Speaker 1: thousands upon thousands of Russian mothers are getting letters that say,
Speaker 1: your kid is fine. Everything's with your son. Good times.
Speaker 1: Alexander had another really bad prediction if you want to hear. Yes, here,
Speaker 1: oh I want to hear. But that's why you're not
Speaker 1: seeing any really Ukrainian resistance because it was all for
Speaker 1: show and the comedian Hollywood president was a double agent
Speaker 1: the whole time. Oh yeah, that's what all the smart
Speaker 1: money is on. That's what all the experts I know,
Speaker 1: and I'm an expert myself, oh, expert fighting the war.
Speaker 1: He already won before he pulled the trigger. Cut to
Speaker 1: the capitals. Cut. Yeah, cut to the flagship of the
Speaker 1: Baltic of the Black Sea Fleet sinking with a piece
Speaker 1: of the True Cross on it. Yeah. Then, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: almost comically wrong. Like it's it's embarrassing, it's it's impressive.
Speaker 1: There's Yeah, there's a degree to which I'm kind of
Speaker 1: in awe of how incorrect it is. Most people can't
Speaker 1: be that wrong about the statements they make, right, especially
Speaker 1: considering the irony being that if if one were to
Speaker 1: argue that, uh, I mean, I I think I would
Speaker 1: argue that Zelenski's background as a media figure has done
Speaker 1: him more service and Ukraine more service than any sort
Speaker 1: of like uh a administrator we possibly do in this
Speaker 1: exact circumstances. Well, yeah, I mean, I think it. And
Speaker 1: ironically so, like one of the things that Russia is
Speaker 1: famous for is like the I think it's called the
Speaker 1: Jurassimov doctrine, which is like kind of broadly speaking, what
Speaker 1: they did in Georgia and then Ukraine, where like you
Speaker 1: have this hybrid mix of military forces on the ground
Speaker 1: but also propaganda and disinformation that's meant to like stir
Speaker 1: up confusion and justification. Yeah, um, and at least disrupting it.
Speaker 1: There's been this big idea with Russia that like, well,
Speaker 1: a big part of our military effort anywhere is going
Speaker 1: to be the information war, which they just like shat
Speaker 1: their pants on as soon as they started shelling Kiev.
Speaker 1: But because I think he does have such a background
Speaker 1: as a media figure, Zelinsky was not a particularly impressive
Speaker 1: president before the war started, but I think he has
Speaker 1: his his media training has made him an effective war
Speaker 1: leader because this is the first war where that's the
Speaker 1: most tactical value that a president of a country can
Speaker 1: have in this situation. Absolutely, you definitely don't want I mean, frankly,
Speaker 1: you don't really want any president's dictating strategy because that's
Speaker 1: not what presidents do. Yeah, exactly. He has had a
Speaker 1: battlefield impact, I think just because he's really competent at
Speaker 1: media stuff, because he's about he's a media guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guess you guys are both gonna sound so foolish
Speaker 1: when it comes out that he is a double agent. Yes,
Speaker 1: that will that will tear us down. We will in retrospect,
Speaker 1: this will be our Harrison Smith moments with Alex's proven right.
Speaker 1: If that happens, I will accept my crow and I
Speaker 1: will eat it publicly. But I have one more clip
Speaker 1: of a bad prediction from Alex if you'd like to
Speaker 1: hear it. Oh, yes, absolutely. I mean, look at this
Speaker 1: Reuter's article that shot right now. Is that Bloomberg Putin
Speaker 1: calls on Ukrainian military to she's power to better negotiate
Speaker 1: with Russia because he knows it's a bunch of globalous
Speaker 1: factions in there and a bunch of former presidents jocking
Speaker 1: for controllers like listen, I'll negotiate with the military, which
Speaker 1: is a very smart move. I would expect this to
Speaker 1: be over in forty eight hours. What do you think?
Speaker 1: So that was on February Today, we're we're recording this
Speaker 1: on April sixteen. Here's a little bit off, Yeah, slightly slightly.
Speaker 1: So since that point, Alex has done exactly he always does,
Speaker 1: and that is that he's become more or less a
Speaker 1: stooge for whatever. Putin says. He plays defense for Russia.
Speaker 1: It's just about every point, and he goes out of
Speaker 1: his way to sow doubt and soft cell narratives that, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, things like atrocities that happened in Bucca were fake.
Speaker 1: This is part of Alex's consistent playbook, and it's exactly
Speaker 1: what he's done with all kinds of stories. Every time
Speaker 1: there's something like related to Syria, he's it's the exact
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, And he's had on like major war crimes,
Speaker 1: denialists and Syria, like partisan girl and stuff on his course. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's he's really tried hard to thread a needle
Speaker 1: that you would you would kind of associate with somebody
Speaker 1: who's not a Holocaust deniers, like, oh, no, no, I
Speaker 1: know the Holocaust happened, but they're lying about how it happened.
Speaker 1: They're lying about all this stuff. So, yes, you're a
Speaker 1: Holocaust denier, but you're trying to act like you're you're
Speaker 1: able to both be you know, no, no, they're all
Speaker 1: lying to you. He hangs out with quite a few
Speaker 1: holocausts exactly exactly he does. And also, this is something
Speaker 1: that just came up. You guys brought up a fellow
Speaker 1: in one of your most recent episodes in the past,
Speaker 1: like two three that Alex was quoting a guy named
Speaker 1: Scott Ritter who was a former UAN weapons inspector. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you know anything else about Scott Ritter because you
Speaker 1: didn't say much else about him. I'm wondering because I
Speaker 1: may get to tell you some interesting facts about Mr.
Speaker 1: I may not know all that. So he was quoting
Speaker 1: him because about stuff Ritter was saying about, like the
Speaker 1: Bush administrations lies going into Iraq and whatnot about Iraq.
Speaker 1: And it was specifically in context of a article about
Speaker 1: the quote the fake uh British secret society within the police.
Speaker 1: Oh right, right, right, Well, Scott Ritter today is like
Speaker 1: a major war crimes denialist. He did a lot of
Speaker 1: like there were no chemical weapons attacks in Syria. He's
Speaker 1: a BUKA denialist. Um. He's regularly on Russia Today and
Speaker 1: quoted by like the Gray Zone. And he has also
Speaker 1: a convicted pedophile. H. He has been the subject of
Speaker 1: two police sting operations because he keeps trying to fund
Speaker 1: fifteen year old kids Jesus h yeah yeah, yeah, to
Speaker 1: catch he would have gotten this guy on one. Um.
Speaker 1: He is a real piece of shit, Scott read out.
Speaker 1: That just goes to show you that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: even like and when I don't overturn some rocks, there's
Speaker 1: even our episodes could be longer. Yeah, yeah. Problem people
Speaker 1: have said about our show is it's not dense enough.
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of where I left off with
Speaker 1: the clips about Ukraine. It's beautiful. Uh. You know some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that that's happened since has also been
Speaker 1: the same kind of stuff that you see in the
Speaker 1: right wing media. You know, you have the um the
Speaker 1: bio Labs conspiracy. Alex was jumping on board with that,
Speaker 1: and you know, basically every thread that gets pulled by
Speaker 1: zero head Gateway Pundit is going to be mirrored and
Speaker 1: echoed and exaggerated on Alex's show. Absolutely, he's become he's become.
Speaker 1: I mean we've we've talked about him as this part
Speaker 1: of the bullshit laundering machine where uh, you know, some
Speaker 1: obscure nutbag throws out some nonsense and then that's picked
Speaker 1: up by you know, zero Hedge or the like, and
Speaker 1: they just water it down a little bit, and then
Speaker 1: that's picked up by Alex. There was a time where
Speaker 1: Alex would be the crazy weirdo who is relatively obscure
Speaker 1: coming up with some bullshit, or it would be a
Speaker 1: guest on info Wars or maybe or maybe it would
Speaker 1: just be something of one of his people found on
Speaker 1: a creepy message totally, totally and now it is it
Speaker 1: is literally him. I mean, just board this lazily ambulance
Speaker 1: chasing headlines. But I think, but I think one of
Speaker 1: the things that makes the immediacy and one of the
Speaker 1: reasons I focused on, like when these things are happening,
Speaker 1: is that it does kind of demand you figure this out,
Speaker 1: figure out what you're going to say about this, because
Speaker 1: you're fucking live on air right now. You've got to
Speaker 1: say that Lensky is a double a got to do something.
Speaker 1: And I find that to be like, you know, necessity
Speaker 1: is the mother of invention. When you've got to say
Speaker 1: something right, it's uh, that's that's that's really interesting to me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean if for Alex, he can never live in
Speaker 1: this space of like we'll find out or just wait
Speaker 1: and see or this is this is developing. It is
Speaker 1: always I know exactly what's happening today. It's part of
Speaker 1: my current scheme that everything is happening around that I've
Speaker 1: had quote unquote for twenty years. If everything is connected,
Speaker 1: nothing can be a surprise exactly. And then you know,
Speaker 1: you just change the narrative when you need to, because
Speaker 1: you always need And then pretend you didn't have You've
Speaker 1: never changed the narrative once. H Well, this has been
Speaker 1: quite quite a tale. Um. I don't know about all
Speaker 1: of you, but I feel well, I feel actually terrible.
Speaker 1: Um that was hope. I'm significantly I mean I did,
Speaker 1: broadly speaking, know a lot of this because I watched
Speaker 1: listen to your show constantly. I do watch it. But
Speaker 1: that's that's not something you put up online. I just
Speaker 1: I'm talking. You can anybody's webcam. Were you also got
Speaker 1: about the theories about Chinese specific bio that I had
Speaker 1: not remembered. Um, good lord. Um, so yeah, this has
Speaker 1: been a hoot. We're gonna come back uh later this
Speaker 1: week and we're gonna talk about Alex's legal um adventures.
Speaker 1: But first, Dan Jordan, you want to plug your plug doubles?
Speaker 1: What do we plug? All right? I mean I've heard
Speaker 1: of us on knowledge fight dot com. That's correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're also you can find us on Twitter. Yeah at
Speaker 1: knowledge score Fight. And I go to bed Jordan's I'm
Speaker 1: setting up an etcy store. He is, but I should
Speaker 1: I like making buttons? You might. That's all. Well, this
Speaker 1: has been quite a time. Um, go with christ via
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