WEBVTT - Josh Marshall & Rep. Robert Garcia 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly john Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.680 today's best minds. And the Congressional Budget Office says the 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.600 BBB will add a whopping three point four trillion dollars 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:20.120 to the national deficit over the next decade. It will 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:24.960 also knock millions of Americans off Medicaid. We have such 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.840 a great show for you today, talking Points memos own 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:34.040 Josh Marshall comes to talk to us about how Trump's 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:40.000 second administration is flailing. Then we will talk to Congressman 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:45.960 Robert Garcia about Congress getting sent home to protect Trump 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.440 from the Epstein files being released. 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.400 But first the news, Molly, you know what we got 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.680 to not do talk about Epstein because then mister Trump's 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:56.720 could be very mad. So what is he doing in 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:01.200 that case? He's saying lots of crazy shit, posting AI 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.880 about resting Obama and the fact is he's doing this 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.280 all for destruction because my man is up in those 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:10.520 Epstein files. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:16.760 Yeah. So again we don't know what exactly. It just 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:21.520 seems like Trump is worried about something, so worried that 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:26.480 Mike Johnson has no sent Congress home for six weeks, okay, 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:31.280 all of August, two weeks in July, because Democrats did 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:36.600 smartly push his hand, and if Congress stays in DC 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:41.120 and continues voting on things, eventually Republicans will have to 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.600 vote against releasing the Epstein files, which puts them in 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:49.240 the intersection of both their conspiracy loving base, right, the 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:53.360 conspiracy loving base that desperately wants to know the truth 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:58.240 and Donald Trump, who desperately wants to not somehow release 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.160 these Epstein files. I'm not sure why that would be. 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.480 So he sent everybody home, and Trump is now going 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:08.160 to just do anything he can to distract from this story, 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:12.320 which continues to add momentum as it goes on. Again. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.320 You'll remember last week the Wall Street Journal reported on 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.640 this salacious birthday note which had a drawing. And again 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.280 this has just been from the Wall Street Journal, but 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.760 we have seen other drawings that Trump has done that 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.360 look like this, which you'll note that Trump had actually 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.080 said that he doesn't draw pictures, but in fact, there's 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.680 a bunch of pictures he's drawn. And you'll say, you know, 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.040 Trump will say there's no, yeah, no relationship with Epstein. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.240 But in two thousand and two he told New York 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:43.720 Magazine that jeff and him both love beautiful women, though 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.240 jeffree liked them on the younger side. 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:49.960 Yeah, and there's tape of Jeffrey Epstein saying they were 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.320 best friends for ten years. So I always go back 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:52.480 to it. 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:53.800 Really, there's tape of that. 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:55.640 I always go back to that. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:01.120 Yes, have you heard that tape? Trump is going on 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:05.359 the offensive against his political enemies. He's gone from pumping 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:09.480 conspiracy theories and trying to get his base excited about them, 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:13.720 to worried about conspiracy theories and trying to get his 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.320 base to forget about them. It's a pretty quick pivot. 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:21.160 So while we're on the subject of people who obey 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.000 mister Trump no matter what he says or does, we 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.600 then get to one Lena Habba, who has now been 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.760 replaced as top New Jersey prosecutor by judges until she 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:30.880 gets Senate confirmation. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:35.120 Elena Habba, you will remember from season one. She was 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:41.200 a fixture at Marlongo. She had a really quite attractive 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:45.240 wore a lot of very attractive clothing, danced around a 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:49.680 very attractive way. Became Trump's lawyer. She had Originally she 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:54.280 was known for her work in traffic Court became Trump's lawyer, 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.200 actually made a lot of mistakes with the cases that 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.040 she handled for Trump. And that's why, by the way, 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.800 it's important to remember when you get despairing about the 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:08.640 moment that American democracy is in, and Jesse and I 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.000 really do get despairing. And in fact, I think today 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.800 the vibes have been not immaculate. The two of us 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.400 have really been down. It's important to remember that this 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:21.520 administration filled with parking lawyers. Okay, these are not their best, okay, 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.919 And remember even when we've had administrations filled with the 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.240 best and the brightest, and looking at you, Brock Obama, 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.400 it's still very hard. Government is very hard, okay, So 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.080 getting things done is hard, Serving people is hard. It's 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.600 all hard. So I just want to say, like, as 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:46.040 scary as this is, these people are fucking morons. And 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.320 by the way, I just want to say, the US 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:52.200 Code stipulates that interim US attorneys are only allowed to 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:53.920 serve for one hundred and twenty days if they're not 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.800 confirmed by the Senate or extended by the just re Court. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:01.080 So we know the houses out, so let's see what happens. 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.279 Yes, so Trump is pulling us out of the UN 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:11.480 organization UNSCO aka the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.719 Sounds right for a bunch of philistines. Anyway, what do 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:15.760 you see here, Molly. 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:20.520 So find someone who likes being mean to you the 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.200 way Donald Trump likes being mean to the UN. He 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.279 really along with public radio. Donald Trump really hates the UN. 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:31.920 Interesting that he hates the UN so much, but something 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.160 to think about. So Tammy Bruce, you may remember her 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:39.039 from being on right wing television. She now is a 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.880 spokesman for Trump's I think she's a spokesman for the 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:49.360 State Department, part of the Trump Imperial Organization slash presidency. 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:54.200 They did a ninety day look at UNESCO. They decided 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:55.840 that they were going to pull out of it. They 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.119 had pulled out of it once before in Trump's first term, 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.520 or as I like to think of it, first season. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.200 They pulled out of it for they said they were 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:09.000 looking for anti Semitism or you know whatever, excessive wokeness, 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.279 whatever the bullshit phrase the use. This time, they pulled 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:17.320 out because Palestine is in the organization, That's why. And 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:22.279 they felt that that was anti Semitic or anti Israel bias. 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:26.040 It showed an anti Israel bias, okay, and these people. 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:31.000 Trump also ordered withdraws from international organizations such as the 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:35.440 World Health Organization and the UN Human Rights Council. I mean, honestly, 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.000 it's hard for me to imagine Trump staying in the 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.560 Human Rights Council. Let's be out here like that. Seems 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.760 like you go together like a horse carriage Trump Rights. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.200 I mean, if he's going to stay at it, he's 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.040 going to stay in it for the iron A and 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:50.680 the Yungs. 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:51.599 Yeah. 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.520 So the guy who built Alligator Alcatraz is probably going 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.360 to leave the UN Human Rights Counsel. 0:06:58.120 --> 0:06:58.720 Yeah So. 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.200 In an interesting new Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, a 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.600 man who, let's just say is nightmare fuel of some 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.320 of the things he's been involved with, He's seeking a 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.440 meeting with Jeffrey Epstein's associate, just Lenn Maxwell. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:15.440 Why is Todd Lanch doing this? Why? Why is Todd 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:22.400 Flanch wants to meet with Jeffrey Epstein's associate, just Len Maxwell. 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.640 Why why is Pam Bondy not doing it? Because everybody's 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.600 been making some accusations around there. I mean, I wonder 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:31.080 the bind Reels. 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:35.680 Why why would he want to talk to just Len look, 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.280 her lawyer has already said something to the effect of 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:43.200 like Donald Trump is awesome and he will protect my car. 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.160 You know, he said something like we look forward to 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.640 meeting with them. Trump is very involved in pardoning people. 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:52.280 He loves to pardon people, especially wealthy people. Maybe he 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:56.920 won't pardon her, but certainly does feel like that's what 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:02.200 she's looking for. We'll say, stay to the death of democracy. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:06.000 What will happen next week? We all wait with baited breath. 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.600 Well, you're talking as if people who are in power 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:13.000 sometimes cozy up to mister Trump and get pardons, another 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:14.640 unfair treatment. 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:19.720 That both know. That's very silly. That never happens except 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:26.960 all the time. Josh Marshall is the editor of Talking 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:33.200 Points memo Welcome Back, Too Fast Politics. Josh Marshall, thanks 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.520 for having me. It was the best of times, it 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.480 was the worst of it, just the worst of times. 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.080 I think, yeah, it's not great, it's it's it's not 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:46.120 a great time for America. I think you have to 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.680 think you can state that kind of categorically. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.720 I wonder, like, I know when you leave the country. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.680 I haven't left the country in like a year since 0:08:55.760 --> 0:09:00.360 this presidency started, but I don't doubt that everyone in 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.680 all those other countries is pretty horrified by what's going 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.120 on here. So I want to start with Congress has 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:11.560 been is being sent home for about a month and 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:16.360 a half because Mike Johnson cannot figure out another way 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:21.319 to get them not to legislate on releasing the Epstein files. 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.839 Yeah, there was this buzz or vibe in the DC 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:30.080 news sheets over the weekend that paradoxically the Journal story 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.480 had sort of, you know, flipped the dynamics of this story, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.880 and Trump has his people behind him again and kind 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.679 of we're moving on and everything. I was dubious of that, 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:42.720 but I you know, I couldn't be sure. But this 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.560 basically shutting down the house and sending everybody home, I 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.480 think tells the story. So does the stuff about releasing 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.880 these Martin Luther King files. And now Pam Bond He's 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.520 going to meet with Glaine Julane and never I've never 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.280 known quite how to pronounce her name. Maxwell tastical or 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:03.360 nature stories. They testify against themselves so endlessly on this, 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.640 I mean, they keep coming up with these new things 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:07.760 and new diversions. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.920 Yeah, we're like minutes from there are UFOs. I think 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.760 is the net net a bit is eventually the White 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.720 House will be like, we want to tell you the 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.839 truth about the UFOs. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:20.600 Epstein, at Roswell. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.640 Epstein, at Roswell, the ten people who still do what 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.280 we do. By the way, it's like from twenty sixteen 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.520 to now, it's like they're literally used to be that, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.160 Like eleven people would write the opinion piece. Now there's 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:33.960 like one person. 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:34.760 I guess that's right. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.840 We run after these news cycles and it's just like one. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:43.160 I mean, it's so so so dark. I mean, it's 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:47.160 such a stocking turn of events to have nobody around. 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:50.640 But I wonder if you could talk to us about 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:54.760 why you think like he's definitely throwing everything against the wall, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.840 all the culture war stuff, everything like that. It seems 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.480 like the grand jury testimony which will not show that much, 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:05.640 which is why clearly they've decided because it has all redacted, victims, 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:09.600 tams redacted, likely some of the perpetrators or all of 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:13.240 the perpetrator's names redacted. Like that seems like a very 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:17.600 smart way to give something that's nothing, But we know 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.040 there are hundreds of pages of information there. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:26.200 It's clever in a way, but you know, I don't 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.719 think it's enough to really change the dynamics. I mean, 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.160 no one, there's no one ever been saying release the 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.040 grand jury testimony, we need to see the Epstein grand 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:39.720 Like that's never been anything anybody has said. Also, to 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.000 the best of my knowledge, it's not something. I don't 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.520 think anybody thinks there's anything really even in those And 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:51.200 they've also stipulated that Pambondi will decide what's relevant and 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.680 what's not. So the whole thing is stupid, and I 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.080 think it'll, like a lot of these things, I think 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.199 it'll have a half life of like a day. 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.040 Right to silence the crit But it's interesting, Like so 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.840 when we talk about like the difference between twenty sixteen 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:06.640 and now, because that's something I spent a lot of 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:11.000 time THEMA. And in twenty sixteen, you know, Trump would 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.760 fire people, right, He'd say, remember Mattow had this huge 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.640 wall of people he had fired, and be like this 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.559 one and that one. You know, to be right, hundreds 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.800 of people in the wall. There is no wall, right, 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.840 he just keeps everyone. I don't know what's happening in 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.440 his head, but it certainly seems like the thinking is 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:31.160 if you fire people, you get more leaking, whereas if 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.880 you just move everyone around, they still have skin in 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.120 the game. Do you think that's what it is, or 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.880 do you think there's some even more intrepid reason for 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:40.160 why he's not firing people. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.040 That's a good question. I hadn't thought of that. 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.679 I think the biggest reason is that he has pre 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.160 selected everybody. He hadn't really thought of being president the 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.120 first time, and so he had to kind of pull 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.800 it together with people who were around, and most of 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:59.640 those people were themselves pretty slimy, but thought he was 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.760 nitty and had other dependencies and everything. So almost all 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.080 those people had their own agendas and thought he was 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.280 a fool, and some of them were from the sort 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.719 of the Republican old regime, so he had a lot 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.319 of reason to fire people the first time. So I 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.720 think that's the biggest reason. But everybody is pre selected. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.000 I mean everybody, Cash Bettel has been you know, he 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.319 had that little like you know, cash with the dollar 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.920 sign that. I mean, they've all been in part of 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:28.280 Trump Incorporated for like eight years, so they're all in there. 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.560 They're all sort of made men and made women in 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:32.319 the organization. 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:33.679 So that's that's the big reason. 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:35.280 But Also, I think what you say is right, the 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.120 kind of like you know, like with you know, the 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.160 congressman from Florida who was head of the NSC for 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.199 what like three months or something like that. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:43.800 Mike Walls. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.679 Yeah, just give them a little other job and keep 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:47.560 them on the line. 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:48.040 I think. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:49.080 So. I think it's both. 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.320 There are lower level people who've gotten fired, but none 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.719 of the people in sort of you know, kind of 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.160 really Trump adjacent have been fired. 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:58.640 I think you're right. I hadn't given that a lot 0:13:58.640 --> 0:13:59.960 of thought, But I think it's both those things. 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:04.320 Yeah, it's pretty wild when I think about where we 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.959 are at this moment in Trump is. In twenty sixteen, 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:12.880 I had fears that were absolutely rational, fears right about 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:17.000 what would happen to institutions, And what happened instead was 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:21.080 that institutions held and that the Magabase did not get 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.120 everything they wanted. But Trump got a lot of stuff, 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:28.280 but he didn't get everything he wanted. Now twenty twenty four, 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:32.400 there are no institutions that are holding. Everybody is caving right. 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.240 People are bending over backwards to cave to him right 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:39.120 from the do not obey an advanced guy who lives 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.240 in Canada now right, like that guy doesn't even live here, 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.880 Like the billionaires are just like we got to make deals. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.240 You know, everybody in the world is caving to Trump. 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:54.960 So it's interesting and instructive to me. I actually think 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.960 that what took down Trump the last time, the thing 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.880 that was Trump's great sort of foil was ultimately his 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:07.000 own incompetence, which is sort of the top line of 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:08.520 the story we're looking at right now. 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.520 I think that is true. 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.280 I mean, you know, one thing that occurs to me 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.240 in what you just said is that, like you talked about, 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.960 you know, getting what he wanted. But I have a 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.040 slight twist on this, and that is that it took 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:25.560 Trump's whole first term to actually find out what it 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:30.480 was he wanted because basically Trump ran for president with 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:34.200 no idea what he wanted. He thought, you run for president, 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.840 If I win, it will be the law that everyone 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:38.200 in the country has to love me. 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:40.880 That was basically the proposition. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.000 Right, that's right, That's what he thought the president. 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:47.680 And then he gets elected, and over the course of 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:52.200 the interregnum between the presidencies, the transition, suddenly he is 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.480 getting it from all sides. He's being accused of things 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.200 I mean stuff he did, but still that doesn't change 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.560 it from Trump's perspective. So well, Trump's whole arc over 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:06.000 the last eight years is this experience of winning the 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.560 legal right to have everybody in the country love him, 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:13.280 but having them renege on that obligation and getting mad 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:18.080 and wanting to use the presidency to get back at 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:22.320 the people who did him wrong, who did the Russia investigation, 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:27.120 who made COVID, who made him sad about COVID. So 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.480 it's not just you know, people have the sense, well, 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.200 he only kind of learned how to use the levers 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.080 by the second term, and that's kind of true, But 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.080 it was actually also only that he figured out what 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.240 he wanted to do right by the end of the 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:45.640 first term. So both of those things are kind of operative. 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:49.040 I know I skipped your original question. That is the 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:50.000 thing that occurs to me. 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.320 It's yeah, at this phase in American democracy, no one 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:57.240 expects anyone to answer a question. Ever, so as long 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.600 as you just talk for a few minutes, good enough. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.360 I can't remember what I asked you. 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:02.760 I can't remember either. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.320 It wasn't very obviously was not very good. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.720 It was a subset of my answer was a subset 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:07.960 of it. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.280 Yeah, middle aged, we are here, and it is a problem. 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.480 It takes everything I have to not start spiraling into 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.080 how do we get out of this thing? And also 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:23.880 I am not convinced like and again, my biggest failing 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.600 as a pundit, among other things, the fact that I 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.359 can't pronounce people's names. And there are any number of 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.520 other failings I have, but one of the ones that 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.679 I have is I'm a little bit optimistic. So I 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.800 but I'm a little bit optimistic, even though it's a 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:42.280 fucking disaster, right, Like, there is no Muller, there is 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:47.000 no figure on the horizon coming in with papers that 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.679 need to be explained. There's none of that. But I 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:53.480 still feel like people hate what Trump is doing. It's 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.840 not popular. Trump administration is being held together with scotch tape. Right. 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:02.320 I saw Tom Holman that had Vice today on Morning Joe. 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.080 He would look like he was crying, right, I mean, 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.199 the guy looked like he did not look good, and 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:08.879 he was like, it's just because you guys are so 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.160 mean to us. That's why we have to wear the masks. 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.359 And I'm just not sure that you can end this 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:19.000 experiment of American democracy with the dumbest people on the 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:20.760 planet discuss well. 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:21.639 I think two things. 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.440 One is I think I wrote a post maybe eight 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.040 weeks or so into the administration that I thought he 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.360 had already lost his effort. And I still think that. 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.520 And that doesn't mean that things will not get a 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.400 lot worse. I think they will get. 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:34.879 A lot worse. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.280 I think that. 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:38.160 He did things. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:43.960 Basically, if you want to sort of impose an autocracy, there's. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.760 Basic things you do and don't do. 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.679 And one thing is you keep the you know what 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.320 they in Russia they call the power ministries, the you know, 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.680 the domestic police, the army. You keep all of them 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.400 on side, You keep the pensioners on side. You juice 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:02.920 the economy. He didn't do those things. He actually antagonized 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.520 a lot of key segments of the population, and he 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.240 scared a lot of people. First, he scared them with 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.119 driving the economy into the ditch, or at least scaring 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.120 people that he was in the process of doing that. 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.720 He has done that again with this kind of very 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:22.160 performative and also real secret policy stuff. I don't think 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:27.000 you can transform a country like the United States into 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:34.840 an autocracy against sizeable public opposition. Fifty fifty is doable 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:36.720 because if you have the power of the state and 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.400 like close to half the people, but he doesn't. He's 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:43.080 really driving huge amounts of opposition. And again I'm not 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.520 pollyannish about this. I think this will get much darker, 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.879 but I share the basic optimism that what he's doing 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.639 is really unpopular and we see that very clearly in 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:58.800 lots of ways, and I think that is fundamentally this 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:03.080 struggle that Trump has imposed on the country is at 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.760 the end of the day, fundamentally about public opinion, and 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:07.479 I think he is losing that battle. 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:11.600 Correct. Now, I'm going to add something that is going 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.600 to get people upset, but is absolutely right. The base 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:18.760 is fucking furious with Democrat. They are so angry. I 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.359 know this because I was on this is my this 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:23.840 is my real people talk. I was on a book tour, 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.800 and during my book tour, I would have these events 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.080 and people come up to me and they'd be like, 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.920 fuck this one, fuck that one. We're unhappy with this, 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.120 We're unhappy that. And you know, I'm listening to people 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.639 and I'm thinking it's not wrong, Like, it's not wrong. 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:42.320 And here's my question for you, the BBB, So now 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:46.199 Mike Johnson, who's basically men me. Trump has sent everyone 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.000 home because he doesn't know how they're going to vote. 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:52.240 So here's my question. Obviously, the Epstein stuff puts a 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:56.440 wrinkle in everything, But I just wonder could Democrats have 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:00.760 somehow engineered a scenario like this before the BBB passed 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.640 or do you think that Epstein wrinkle is just such 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.119 a seismic change that you could not have done it 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:06.760 any other way. 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:11.080 There is nothing with the power of the Epstein thing, 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.159 specifically about Trump, right, And I think that to a 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.560 great extent, even a lot of us didn't know he 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:19.919 was so vulnerable to it. 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:22.280 Until he told us, right he started. 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:22.919 Doing all these things. 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:28.280 So I think this Epstein cudgel was not available at 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:28.720 the time. 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:29.960 A That's part of it. 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.240 The other part of it is that the way that 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:38.000 the budget reconciliation process works is that there are a 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:42.200 lot of privileged resolutions and things like privileged resolutions where 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.800 and again I don't know how it exactly lines up 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.280 in this case, but there's a lot of things about 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:52.400 the about the reconciliation process, and that's why you can't 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.840 filibuster that basically says no, no funny business. You can't 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:57.920 you know, you can't slip in other things that needed 0:21:57.960 --> 0:21:59.840 to be voted on. You sort of get the rails 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:02.639 for what you're trying to do. So for both of 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:06.560 those reasons, I don't think this was available. Again the 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.920 other part, I don't know all the technicalities, but that's 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.159 a big feature of the reconciliation process. Having said that, 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:15.880 there is definitely a sense, and I think we've seen 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:19.240 this in various fronts over the last six months, that 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:24.679 most Democrats are still in the mode of, you know, 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:27.119 you don't want to shut the place down, you don't 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.520 want to throw the place into chaos, you want to 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.719 get business done, and they're I mean, back in March 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.119 the continuing resolution thing was a classic example of that. 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:40.800 And I think elected Democrats are finally starting to shift 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:44.120 a bit from that because what we're hearing now is 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.080 at the end of the summer, when they have yet 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:47.959 another one of these, you know they're going to need 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:52.760 another one of these stop gaps. Yeah, yeah, that in 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:55.159 the Senate, they're just going to say no. And I 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:57.560 think that's two reasons. One is that they are also 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.920 hearing from the people you've heard from on the book tour, 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:05.639 who are furious, furious, furious, furious. And what has also 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.240 been a breaking point for some of those people themselves 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.960 is they've just passed this budget, which obviously Democrats don't like. 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.280 Even if they didn't maybe you know, fight enough, fight 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.000 hard enough against it for some people's taste. But now 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:21.120 they're just going back and undoing parts of the budget 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.760 that they prompt you know, So the budget, Yeah, the 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.399 budget's meetingless because you just say which parts will we 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:28.919 either do a recision or which parts will. 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:29.560 Just break the law? 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:30.000 Right? 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:31.199 Why even have it? 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:34.320 All of those things are kind of happening, And to 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.840 a certain extent, I always have I always try to 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:38.919 balance these things and how I talk about them with people. 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:42.400 To a certain extent, when the other side has a trifecta, 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:45.520 there's not a lot you can do, especially on budgets 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.960 where you have reconciliation and no filibuster. That is hard 0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:51.520 for people to accept, right that at the end of 0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:54.959 the day, they have the votes. That's it. Having said that, though, 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.600 you can make more noise, and I do think you 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:01.200 got some sense of that in the final days where 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:05.040 the BBB was kind of moving towards passage, where a 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:08.560 bunch of prominent Democrats were all over social media the 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:12.359 fine details about rural hospitals, about medicaid, about all this 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:15.280 kind of stuff. We're at least making as much noise 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:19.240 as they could and sort of providing the public with 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.520 information about how, you know, upset they should be, but 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:24.760 you know, so it's a little of both. There is 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:27.040 a sense in which it is hard for people to 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:28.880 accept that when you don't have the votes, you don't 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:32.040 have the votes. But there are lots of times and 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:34.720 what sort of set the tone was what happened in March. 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:38.280 People are right to be upset. People are really right 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:44.280 to be upset about elected democrats not being It's not 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.520 just not fighting hard enough. It's not fighting hard enough. 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:50.160 It's not being creative enough in how you fight and 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.920 fighting on every battle. I mean, this is the part 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.440 about about being out of power. You don't you have 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:57.360 a lot of time on your hands, Like what else 0:24:57.400 --> 0:24:59.200 are you gonna do? Right, You've got to like, Okay, 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:02.240 you're gonna send more letters to your constituents or whatever, 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:06.679 but fighting on every battle. And that's what I hope, 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:12.719 at least is when the president's standing is approaching forty 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:16.399 sixty you know, levels of opposition, the opposition party should 0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:20.199 be really willing to kind of let their freak flag fly, right, 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:24.480 because if sixty percent of the public is opposing the president, 0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:27.560 you should be able to as an opposition party, you 0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:29.800 should be able to think, like, fuck, I could do 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.879 anything and it'll be okay because everybody hates this guy. 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:35.679 Yeah, Josh Marshall, will you come back? 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:36.800 I will come back. 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:44.160 Congressman Robert Garcia represents California's forty second district and is 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:49.840 the ranking member of Oversight. Welcome too fast Politics. Congressman 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:54.920 Robert Garcia, Hello, I so you're about to be sent 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:59.200 home for a very very long recess. 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:04.480 Why I mean, this is just so bizarre. I mean, basically, 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:07.720 Mike Johnson and Republicans have decided that because they don't 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.120 want to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and they don't want 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:14.160 to force their members to take votes against their King, 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:16.960 Donald Trump, that they're going to send everybody home. They 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:22.080 would rather discard working on lowering costs or trying to 0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:24.080 expand health. They don't care about any of those things. 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:28.480 Now they've they've shifted their attention back to protecting Donald 0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:32.240 Trump because he has Now you know, flipped this position 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:34.959 on releasing the Epstion files. So it is it is 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.879 like fucking insane. This is an insane week. They just 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:42.119 they are obsessed now with playing clean up duty for 0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:42.760 Donald Trump. 0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:46.840 Basically what's happened right now? Explain how to people who 0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:50.080 do not serve in Congress and don't understand the nuances 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:54.560 of the situation, because Democrats actually did cause this, right, 0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:57.280 they pushed and pushed and pushed on the Ebstein stuff, 0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:00.920 which is also wildly popular and all their stituents want, 0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:03.919 and that's how we got here. So explain to us 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:08.359 sort of the mechanism, because this is actually a win 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:14.680 for Minority Leader Jeffries right in a convoluted way. So explain. 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:16.960 Yeah, So, I mean, take one sit back. So we 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.720 know that during the campaign, Donald Trump was obsessed with 0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:23.280 releasing the Epstein file. So it became aga rallying cry 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.520 talked about all the time, you know the family, I 0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:29.200 mean Donald Trump Junior tweeted about a dozens of times. 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.959 I mean, this has been center to the to their identity. Then, 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.800 of course, now he's in office and we get this reversal. 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:40.280 We know that Pambonni FBI DJ in turmoil. They're all 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.680 fighting because there's different opinions on what should be released, 0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.119 what should be attracted. We now know that Donald Trump 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:49.000 is completely flipped of course his position, and so that 0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:53.439 sets up essentially a series of votes that Democrats have 0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:59.159 started forcing Republicans to take in subcommittees. We are supporting 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.840 of of this petition, which will force a large floor 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:08.000 vote of members. And because you know, Mike Johnson wants 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:12.600 to avoid these embarrassing votes, especially in the Rules Committee, 0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:17.119 because the Rules Committee was essentially forcing these Republicans to 0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:21.000 take votes Democrats saying release the files, Republicans saying, don't 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:24.359 release them. Mike Johnson decided it was better to then 0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:28.040 basically cancel Congress than to have to have his members 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:32.320 continue to take votes on whether or not the Epstein 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.800 file should be released, whether we should be subpoena in people. 0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:37.800 And that's kind of where where they have left it. 0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:43.520 And so us I think by doubling down on essentially saying, hey, 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.640 you wanted this, you owe it to the American public. 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:49.720 Let's release these files. We don't did it, we don't 0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:51.880 care who it impacts, We just want the truth out there. 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.960 Republicans are not running away scared. They can't confront you know, 0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.120 they can't confront Donald Trump. They want to avoid him 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.320 at all costs. And now even they wanted to release 0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:05.200 the files. They are now scared of Donald Trump and 0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.160 are getting a lot of pressure from their base, as 0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:07.720 they should be. 0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:10.560 But let's be honest here, Republicans weren't going to pass 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.960 any legislation anyway, right. They passed the one piece of 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.480 legislation they were going to pass before the midterms, a 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:20.280 bill that grows the deaficit three and a half trillion 0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:24.120 dollars but manages And we got the official CBO score 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.520 this week, which was like, it's three and a half 0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:31.240 billion dollars, doesn't matter what you say. And they wanted 0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:34.960 to do this weird stuff cut a state tax cut, 0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.720 I mean in taxes for very wealthy people. And then also, 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:40.440 I mean, there was nothing they were ever going to 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:44.040 do except you know, there was a recision package that 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:48.160 basically took money away from public radio. So I wonder 0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:51.360 if you could talk about sort of like there is 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:56.640 on the horizon this insane healthcare premium situation which is 0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:59.280 about to come up, and can you explain that to 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.840 us and talk about where we are with that. 0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:05.680 What we do know is, regardless of kind of Republicans' 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.440 efforts to try to hide away what was actually this 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:12.000 horrific build and just passed, we have real serious challenges 0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:16.600 with the healthcare system, absurance. We have real serious challenges 0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:18.440 with how we have to fund the government. We have 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:20.520 challenges right now where what we're not talking about is 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:22.640 the fact that Republicans can't figure out how to actually 0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.360 appropriate money to keep the government going. I mean, there 0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.520 are real serious challenges that we actually could be dealing 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.880 that are noncesarily even in the form of bills, and 0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:34.840 we can be talking about those opportunities and challenges this week. 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:38.680 But the House is completely at a standstill and frozen 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:42.680 because of this damn Jeffrey Epstein skin all that Trump 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:45.760 is basically creating and blowing up. 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:48.880 Right, there's the reason why he's plowing it out. 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:52.960 Look, here's the bottom line. Donald Trump is in the 0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:56.240 Epstein files. We already know that that's publicly been repented. 0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.840 He said, we're you know, we both like be to 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.360 for women. Jeffrey on the younger side, they've been and 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:05.720 they said they were best buddies for ten fifteen years. 0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.680 I mean, this is both of them have actually said this, 0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:12.520 and you know, this last move of trying to get 0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:14.720 to Laye Maxwell to actually now you know, to come 0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:18.440 testify in subpoena. This is fine, which we support. She 0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:20.880 also wants a pardon from Trump and so now he's 0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.320 trying to work her to get her to say what 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:26.280 he wants her to say. And so while all of 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:28.840 this is happening, we have real problems. I mean, the 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:33.040 health insurance market is in real disarray right now. We 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:35.680 people are going to start and we're are already seeing 0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:40.000 it having to pay more for health care. We're having 0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:43.120 coalitions of folks that are buying these rates for companies 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:46.640 and nonprofits are seeing rates go up and all and 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:48.840 a lot a lot of that has to deal with 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:51.200 the fact that people know these cuts are now going 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:53.320 to be in the pipeline, and so the health care 0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:57.000 industry isn't turnboil. There isn't anyone in healthcare, on the 0:31:57.040 --> 0:32:00.640 insurance side, on the hospital side, the provider's side that 0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:05.120 doesn't think that the Medicaid cuts and the upcoming kind 0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:07.800 of disruption of healthcare isn't going to make health care 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:09.960 worse for everybody else. So if you already have health care. 0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:12.560 Your not going to improve, We're gonna actually have less 0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:16.080 people covered right fill up and it's a real crisis. 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.960 And Trump is not interested in any event except for 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:21.520 giving billionaires big tax breaks. 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.720 Well, in Trump's defense, that's why they put him there. 0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:30.760 I wonder if you could you have become ranking on oversight. 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:35.280 This was a harder fought battle of sort of wrestling 0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.560 power out in the hands of the older generation. This 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:40.680 is the second time this has happened because the first 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:44.520 person they put as the ranking member of oversight died. 0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:49.000 Talk to me about how this went down and how 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:53.160 you did it, and also just I'm sure was inter 0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:57.560 party squabbling is always pretty tough, So talk to us 0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:58.000 about it. 0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:01.640 Yeah, I mean to take what sit back. Like when 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:05.880 Alex Alexandria uh Costure Cartez when she ran for for Rinker, 0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:07.920 I was one of the first ones to come out. 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:11.440 I supported her. I was actually there's a nomination process 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.640 where you actually get three nominators to nominate U inifront 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.000 of the caucus before the big vote, I was winning 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.040 for three nominators. I kind of went all in. They 0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:21.600 really believed that she was the right person. We needed 0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.840 a generational change. I thought she had the right message, 0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:28.800 and so when she was unsuccessful, actually didn't win the election, 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:30.440 it was hard for a lot of us and there 0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.920 a lot of us in the caucus felt when are 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:37.400 we going to actually bring in new voices? They basically 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:41.320 shut out from from the process, and so folks like myself, 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.800 Jasmine Crockett and Max Frost did a lot of us 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:48.040 really struggled. And so when this other, when this obviously 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.280 happened in the in the tragedy with with Jerry, I 0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:52.200 think a lot of us would started talking again. We're like, 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.960 is this is this going to happen again? Are we 0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:58.520 going to maybe at this moment, because when when when 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:01.880 alex Is a election happened and we and you fast 0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.760 forward to this last one. A lot happened during that time, 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:06.680 and I think the country got even more upset and 0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.040 people were more energized, and folks want to change even more. 0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.640 And so that's when I think Jazz and myself in 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:16.000 particular made the decision like, let's get in this fight, 0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.360 let's bring some change. Let's let's start talking to caucus members. 0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:21.560 And I started talking to people across the caucus, and 0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:25.880 it was clear to me that folks wanted some not 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:30.080 just generational change, but new voices. And so I, you know, 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.120 work my ass off talked to every person's caucus and Work, 0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:35.799 you know, worked really hard to share like I have, 0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:40.600 I have experience that they brought outside of Congress, and 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.400 and I'm grateful that the caucus went in this direction. 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:45.359 And I think you know, you know this, It's been 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:48.719 one hundred years since our caucus has elected a sophomore 0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:53.319 to a leadership ranking member position. One hundred years. So 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:56.200 it was time for a change. And I hope that 0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.920 we have opened the door and elections in the fut 0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:01.080 for this continue to happen. 0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:04.879 Yeah, this is not a great moment for Democrats, right. 0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:10.080 People are super mad and they are mad at leadership. 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:13.919 The R and C has like about six times more 0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:17.200 money than the Dncay, I mean, what do you think 0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:17.839 is going on? 0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:22.279 One? People are mad. A lot of folks don't trust 0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.760 people in politics in general. And I think that people 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.200 see that we were unable to close the deal and 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.279 winning the presidency of the Senate. We have a lot 0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:32.640 of work to do, and I think people need to 0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:36.880 understand that people view us as a coalition of folks 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:38.920 that have not stood up and fought for working people, 0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.800 that we were out of touch, that it's to elite, 0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.520 and I think all of those things, and there are 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:47.680 important lessons there. I think, look at what's happened in 0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:49.600 New York, and I mean, so many people have been 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.560 talking about the mayor's race, and there's a lot of 0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:57.000 opinions there, but you cannot argue with the fact that Zoron, 0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:01.800 through simple messaging, a forward looking at and connecting with people, 0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:05.720 made a real impact and hell yeah, thing was cleared. 0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:09.040 And I think people you know that want to attribute 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:11.759 what happened there to or want to you know, oh, well, 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:15.200 you know, uh, I'm concerned about the fact that he's 0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:18.400 the democratic socialist or his position on what's happening in 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:21.160 the Middle East, like that doesn't matter to the average 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:26.120 voter there. In fact, that here's someone that communicated what 0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:31.239 that wanted three buses, universal childcare, wanted to freeze my 0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:33.920 rent through and I think we have a lot of 0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:38.680 lessons to learn from that campaign and from listening to 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:41.840 younger people on the ground, and I think that work 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:45.520 is starting. But I do not think that I'm not 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:47.320 one of those that thinks, oh, we're gonna win the 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:48.720 mid trus and that's a wrap. 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:50.720 Don't want that's. 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:51.920 Look I mean to do. 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:55.440 What I was impressed with with Zorin more than anything 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.520 was he got the ones and twos that the low 0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:02.880 frequency voters, which had been Harris. And this is not 0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:05.560 an indictment of Hairshi had one hundred days, but she 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:09.880 could not get even the fours and vibes out for her. Now, 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.760 I think there were a number of other mitigating factors 0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:16.640 that had nothing to do with her. But really, I 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.200 think that when we see them, when we're looking at this, 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:21.319 really it's really something to think about now. So I 0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:25.120 wonder what do you think about Like, we have a 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:29.840 lot of New Ork lawmakers. I'm thinking of a bunch 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:36.080 of people who refuse to endorse Mondani or who are 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:39.319 very negative about him, saying a lot of things that 0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:43.880 certainly strike me as somewhat islamophobic. I've been sort of 0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:47.839 shocked by the amount of pressure they have put on 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:51.279 you know, they are harder on Mondani than they are 0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:54.719 on Trump. So can you make it make sense to me? 0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.160 Because I'm like earnestly asking you this. 0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.680 Yeah, I think the two things. One is, look, people 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:02.759 are going to have their own people have their own 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.719 political perspectives and their own relationships New York. I'm not 0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:08.239 a New Yorker, so like I get people their grace 0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.880 to have their opinions my position. I've told this to 0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:13.800 my New York friends and others. He is regardless of 0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:17.400 what you thought about during the campaign, he is our nominee. 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:18.440 I'm a Democrat. 0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:19.839 Yeah, a crack. 0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:22.759 He's a nominee and the party he should go all 0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:25.920 in to support him. That's that's the second thing. And 0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:29.160 I've told folks that maybe don't have a relationship with him. Look, 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.040 I want I had to spend time with him last 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:36.360 week here in DC. The guy is couldn't be kinder. 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:38.840 I mean, wait, tell us, can you give us the 0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:41.239 circumstances of how you got to spend time with him? 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:41.920 Tell us? 0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:48.360 So, Alexandria AOC brought him to d C for a 0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:51.080 meeting openly, she invited the entire caucus anyone wanted to 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:54.319 come to meet with him, and about maybe about thirty 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:58.120 thirty five of us attended this gathering, and it was 0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:02.680 a breakfast about him talking about how he thought we 0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:05.920 should connect with kind of these our voters, and especially 0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:09.040 how to reach working class people. That are not proffiliated 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:10.239 in politics. 0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:13.440 Which should be the lesson from his victory, right, because 0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:15.919 it's not working. Other people aren't winning that way. 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:19.040 I mean, he was a master class in communication, in 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.160 political strategy. And the one thing I walked away with, 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.400 besides the fact that he's brilliant and I'd already been 0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:27.359 communicating with his team and him before, was here's someone 0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:31.840 who actually gives you a He he comes off because 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:35.440 he is a kind of person, right, And so the 0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:37.440 more you put this person in front of voters are 0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:39.080 more than gonna like him because he just looks he 0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:41.919 comes off as really genuine. Yeah, And I think we 0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.960 as a party have a lot to learn, not just 0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:49.200 from that race, but why some people want candidates and 0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:53.040 that stand on principle. They agree with you on every issue, 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.600 but they want somebody to stand on principle. And it 0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:57.759 actually what you can believe they're actually looking out for 0:39:57.840 --> 0:39:59.799 us when we're out here, is that you know, we 0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:02.719 need be doing and taking on corruption in all four ms. 0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:04.959 We need to be banning members of Congress for treating stocks, 0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:08.239 We should be living becoming lobbyists. All these things are 0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:12.720 popular with people. They view the system as has gained 0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:15.840 against them and for the super wealthy, and so we 0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:18.120 have a lot of work to do in that area. 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:22.040 And what people see in Zoron is just an average 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.960 guy that cares about the issues they care about, that 0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.920 wants to help them afford their life a little better. 0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:30.480 And I think Democrats, we got to do a better 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:32.520 job there. And that's a big lesson. I think that 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:34.759 a lot of us are taken in. 0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:38.200 Did you see when he came and spoke, did people 0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:42.920 have that, say, war members pushing back on him in 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:46.400 that same way that we've seen Jill brand you know, 0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.960 I mean, did you see that kind of like no? 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:53.520 Oh, well, the thirty five folks that ended the breakfast, 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:58.920 The reception was warm or excited. People were all talking, 0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:02.440 sharing ideas. He was very well received with those that 0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:03.160 were in attendance. 0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:03.879 Right. 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:08.240 I don't think it's a progressive conservative thing. It's people 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.799 want fighters who are going to stand up for the 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:14.880 working person and not cozy up to lobbyist billionaires and 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.840 big donors. And I think that that can appeal to anybody. 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:22.479 So let's talk about you are the letter you guys 0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:26.520 sent to Fox? You ranking member of an oversight oversights job, 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:30.040 I mean Congress. The Republicans in Congress aren't allowed to 0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:32.359 do it because it would make their boss mad. But 0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:35.839 the job is oversight. So tell us about this letter 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:37.200 you guys sent to Fox News. 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:40.400 Yeah, I mean, and look, and the hypocrisy here is 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:42.360 so opt the charts, right, I mean, that's what I 0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:45.839 just came. I can't understand in a nutshell. You know, 0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.880 Fox and Friends, you know, average every viewership of you know, 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:50.839 one point seven million tons of people watch it, as 0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:53.399 we know that show. They air an interview of which, 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:55.319 by the way, the irony is Pete Hegseth is one 0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:58.440 of the interviewers on this interview. But the interview Donald 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.040 Trump and asking about releasing the EPT files, and he 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:04.560 basically responds and says, the first sentence he says is yes, 0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:06.839 you know, we should probably release him. We should release him. 0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:10.040 That one sentence gets clipped and is aired on the 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.640 program and then got it, and then immediately they go 0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:16.000 to another question, another topic, and then that clip then 0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:19.560 the Trump campaign takes and amplifies that one sentence and 0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:23.800 it's everywhere release THEE file files. What we later find 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:27.760 out in that you know, the broader interview, he actually 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:30.160 answers that he goes there about a minute or a 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:34.200 minute response of where it's a much more nuanced response 0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:36.959 about well, maybe there's some things in there that Easton 0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:38.920 near not mine opitu. Well they didn't actually air that. 0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:41.719 It was available later, but didn't air that. Now, in 0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:45.239 a normal world, we know that that happens. Sometimes news 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:48.680 newscasts clip things and take things out of context. This 0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:50.520 I think was much different. It was deliberate, it was 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:52.560 clearly we're trying to change the message. But why do 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:57.200 we highlighted it? Is because Trump just settled for sixteen 0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:04.240 million dollars with CBS and Paramount for essentially accusing them. 0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:07.120 Of doing doing the very same thing that Fox News did. 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:11.480 Right right, and so he gets you know, he gets 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.839 sixteen million bucks out of Paramount for basically the same 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.359 exact thing. And so we've been at We've asked pot 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:20.920 Fox a series of questions about the back and forth 0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:24.239 about you know, what they knew and they communicate with 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:26.319 with the Trump team and where they directed to make 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:29.080 these cuts. And we've asked a series of questions of 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:30.880 Fox use we hope, we hope we get a response. Mean, 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:34.040 who knows now that Fox is being sued by Donald Trump. 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:37.920 Maybe they'll be more receptive to our inquiry. But we 0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:41.880 wanted to just highlight the immense hypocrisy of Donald Trump here, 0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:45.520 and also we wanted to highlight and we're now reviewing 0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:50.200 where else did Donald Trump actually get his interviews edited 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:54.480 that we don't know about yet, saying that he should 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:57.680 be suing everyone. He can sue everybody, get settlements and 0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:00.160 get money, but then do the exact same thing. I mean, 0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:03.239 I so it's the hypocrisy that's insane. So hopefully we're 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:05.239 gonna get some more information for Fox in the weeks ahead. 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:09.040 Can you explain to us oversight the job of oversay 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:13.359 right now? You don't Democrats don't control the House, so 0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:17.480 you don't have the ability to set the schedule. You 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:20.120 still have some I mean, I feel like one of 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:22.480 the things that people are so angry about is they're like, 0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:25.799 why can't Democrats do more? And there's a reason why, right, 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.400 so explain to us a little bit. I feel like 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:30.640 some of the problems here are that people just don't 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:34.919 totally understand how Congress works. I mean, almost no one does, 0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:37.280 because we it's pretty much the fault of the media. 0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:40.719 We don't cover it enough, but explain the. 0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:44.400 Big difference is so oversight of the committee is the 0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:48.080 investigative branch of the Congress. Right, so this committee is 0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:50.960 the committee that has the subpeda power that can launch 0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:54.120 investigations for the Congress, that can if there's ever an impeachment, 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:57.640 it goes for this committee all sorts of immense power 0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:02.279 in the investigation and transparency kind of arena, but that 0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:05.640 those powers are in the sense of control of the majority. 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:09.799 The majority controls who you can subpoena, when you subpoena, 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:14.120 what investigation officially to launch and can compel, whether it's 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:18.120 a corporation, the White House, whoever, to release documents and 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:18.560 for it and for. 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:22.240 Except the Trump White House, which nobody can compel because 0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:23.880 they have their own special laws. 0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:28.839 That's exactly right. So the in the minority oversight is 0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:32.520 very limited. We can't subpoena, we can't force release of documents, 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:35.920 but we can still launch investigations whether or not we 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:39.160 get documents back. If more limited and some choose not 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:44.360 to respond, others others may respond. And for example, companies, 0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:46.520 let's say there are companies that are doing business with 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:48.560 the White House. Maybe the White House won't respond to us, 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.680 but you know, business X might respond because they're very 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:53.520 aware that we're going to be in the majority at 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:56.440 some point and then the tables are turned, and so 0:45:56.880 --> 0:45:59.960 we still will launch investigations. We still need to combat 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:02.279 and take on truth and you know, the lies of 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:04.320 what's actually the truth of these hearies in these committees. 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.240 We need to use the star power of our committee. 0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:11.359 We have so many incredible members to amplify what's going 0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:13.600 on and warn the American Republic and what Republicans are 0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:16.400 trying to do. So all of that is still part 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:19.600 of our of our tools that we can that we 0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:22.640 can use. But make a mistake. When we win the 0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:26.840 majority back, we're going to go hard at the Trump 0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:32.000 White House, the Kushner's, Stephen Miller, Donald all of Donald 0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:35.160 Trump's enablers, those in the government that are actually writing 0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:38.560 these unconstitutional laws and trying to implement them. Christ you know, 0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:42.720 I mean there there's there's an endless amount of investigations, 0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:46.799 subpoenas elon Musk folks that should be in front of 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:50.600 the Congress answering questions. Uh, And people say, well, you 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.160 know you're gonna you know, why are you so backwards? Looking, 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:56.600 and we just need to have a ford looking agenda. Now, look, 0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.000 if we just sweep all of what this administration is 0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:02.960 doing under the rug, then we are saying that this 0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:05.560 is okay, that this is somehow the new normal, that 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:10.239 politics has now become, this kind of corrupt, this den 0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:17.080 of corruption, and it is our duty to hold these 0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:19.839 people accountable when we have the ability to do so. 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:22.120 And if that's we're not able to fully hold them accountable, now, 0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:24.920 then you best believe, and we have the majority, we 0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:26.560 have to do it. We have no choice. 0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:30.839 Thank you, thank you, thank you. Representative of Garcia, thank 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:37.040 you the moment, Jesse. 0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:40.480 Cannon, Molly, we know the theme of this show is 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:43.480 mister Trump is flooding the Zone with shit that is 0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:47.120 not Epstein. And one of the ways he flooded the 0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:50.160 zone is with two hundred and thirty thousand pages on 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:54.080 Martin Luther King, and it seems like it's not doing 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:56.560 the job it's supposed to do, as one could could 0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:57.160 probably guess. 0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:01.239 Look, Donald Trump is giving a fuck right about anything 0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:04.319 except trying to distract people. So he released all this 0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:08.440 MLK stuff. It's interesting to me, like they did this 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:12.080 with the MLK and the RFK stuff, and it seems 0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:15.239 to have not gotten the result they wanted, but they've 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.640 done it now with MLKA were like minutes away from them, 0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:23.520 just being like Area fifty one. It's real aliens. 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:26.200 Yeah, that seems like the next logical progression. 0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:31.640 That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:37.320 every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:41.719 minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. If 0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:44.800 you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend 0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:48.480 and keep the conversation going. Thanks for listening.