Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly john Fast and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds. And the Congressional Budget Office says the
Speaker 1: BBB will add a whopping three point four trillion dollars
Speaker 1: to the national deficit over the next decade. It will
Speaker 1: also knock millions of Americans off Medicaid. We have such
Speaker 1: a great show for you today, talking Points memos own
Speaker 1: Josh Marshall comes to talk to us about how Trump's
Speaker 1: second administration is flailing. Then we will talk to Congressman
Speaker 1: Robert Garcia about Congress getting sent home to protect Trump
Speaker 1: from the Epstein files being released.
Speaker 2: But first the news, Molly, you know what we got
Speaker 2: to not do talk about Epstein because then mister Trump's
Speaker 2: could be very mad. So what is he doing in
Speaker 2: that case? He's saying lots of crazy shit, posting AI
Speaker 2: about resting Obama and the fact is he's doing this
Speaker 2: all for destruction because my man is up in those
Speaker 2: Epstein files.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So again we don't know what exactly. It just
Speaker 1: seems like Trump is worried about something, so worried that
Speaker 1: Mike Johnson has no sent Congress home for six weeks, okay,
Speaker 1: all of August, two weeks in July, because Democrats did
Speaker 1: smartly push his hand, and if Congress stays in DC
Speaker 1: and continues voting on things, eventually Republicans will have to
Speaker 1: vote against releasing the Epstein files, which puts them in
Speaker 1: the intersection of both their conspiracy loving base, right, the
Speaker 1: conspiracy loving base that desperately wants to know the truth
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump, who desperately wants to not somehow release
Speaker 1: these Epstein files. I'm not sure why that would be.
Speaker 1: So he sent everybody home, and Trump is now going
Speaker 1: to just do anything he can to distract from this story,
Speaker 1: which continues to add momentum as it goes on. Again.
Speaker 1: You'll remember last week the Wall Street Journal reported on
Speaker 1: this salacious birthday note which had a drawing. And again
Speaker 1: this has just been from the Wall Street Journal, but
Speaker 1: we have seen other drawings that Trump has done that
Speaker 1: look like this, which you'll note that Trump had actually
Speaker 1: said that he doesn't draw pictures, but in fact, there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of pictures he's drawn. And you'll say, you know,
Speaker 1: Trump will say there's no, yeah, no relationship with Epstein.
Speaker 1: But in two thousand and two he told New York
Speaker 1: Magazine that jeff and him both love beautiful women, though
Speaker 1: jeffree liked them on the younger side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's tape of Jeffrey Epstein saying they were
Speaker 2: best friends for ten years. So I always go back
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: Really, there's tape of that.
Speaker 2: I always go back to that.
Speaker 1: Yes, have you heard that tape? Trump is going on
Speaker 1: the offensive against his political enemies. He's gone from pumping
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and trying to get his base excited about them,
Speaker 1: to worried about conspiracy theories and trying to get his
Speaker 1: base to forget about them. It's a pretty quick pivot.
Speaker 2: So while we're on the subject of people who obey
Speaker 2: mister Trump no matter what he says or does, we
Speaker 2: then get to one Lena Habba, who has now been
Speaker 2: replaced as top New Jersey prosecutor by judges until she
Speaker 2: gets Senate confirmation.
Speaker 1: Elena Habba, you will remember from season one. She was
Speaker 1: a fixture at Marlongo. She had a really quite attractive
Speaker 1: wore a lot of very attractive clothing, danced around a
Speaker 1: very attractive way. Became Trump's lawyer. She had Originally she
Speaker 1: was known for her work in traffic Court became Trump's lawyer,
Speaker 1: actually made a lot of mistakes with the cases that
Speaker 1: she handled for Trump. And that's why, by the way,
Speaker 1: it's important to remember when you get despairing about the
Speaker 1: moment that American democracy is in, and Jesse and I
Speaker 1: really do get despairing. And in fact, I think today
Speaker 1: the vibes have been not immaculate. The two of us
Speaker 1: have really been down. It's important to remember that this
Speaker 1: administration filled with parking lawyers. Okay, these are not their best, okay,
Speaker 1: And remember even when we've had administrations filled with the
Speaker 1: best and the brightest, and looking at you, Brock Obama,
Speaker 1: it's still very hard. Government is very hard, okay, So
Speaker 1: getting things done is hard, Serving people is hard. It's
Speaker 1: all hard. So I just want to say, like, as
Speaker 1: scary as this is, these people are fucking morons. And
Speaker 1: by the way, I just want to say, the US
Speaker 1: Code stipulates that interim US attorneys are only allowed to
Speaker 1: serve for one hundred and twenty days if they're not
Speaker 1: confirmed by the Senate or extended by the just re Court.
Speaker 1: So we know the houses out, so let's see what happens.
Speaker 2: Yes, so Trump is pulling us out of the UN
Speaker 2: organization UNSCO aka the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization.
Speaker 2: Sounds right for a bunch of philistines. Anyway, what do
Speaker 2: you see here, Molly.
Speaker 1: So find someone who likes being mean to you the
Speaker 1: way Donald Trump likes being mean to the UN. He
Speaker 1: really along with public radio. Donald Trump really hates the UN.
Speaker 1: Interesting that he hates the UN so much, but something
Speaker 1: to think about. So Tammy Bruce, you may remember her
Speaker 1: from being on right wing television. She now is a
Speaker 1: spokesman for Trump's I think she's a spokesman for the
Speaker 1: State Department, part of the Trump Imperial Organization slash presidency.
Speaker 1: They did a ninety day look at UNESCO. They decided
Speaker 1: that they were going to pull out of it. They
Speaker 1: had pulled out of it once before in Trump's first term,
Speaker 1: or as I like to think of it, first season.
Speaker 1: They pulled out of it for they said they were
Speaker 1: looking for anti Semitism or you know whatever, excessive wokeness,
Speaker 1: whatever the bullshit phrase the use. This time, they pulled
Speaker 1: out because Palestine is in the organization, That's why. And
Speaker 1: they felt that that was anti Semitic or anti Israel bias.
Speaker 1: It showed an anti Israel bias, okay, and these people.
Speaker 1: Trump also ordered withdraws from international organizations such as the
Speaker 1: World Health Organization and the UN Human Rights Council. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to imagine Trump staying in the
Speaker 1: Human Rights Council. Let's be out here like that. Seems
Speaker 1: like you go together like a horse carriage Trump Rights.
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's going to stay at it, he's
Speaker 1: going to stay in it for the iron A and
Speaker 1: the Yungs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the guy who built Alligator Alcatraz is probably going
Speaker 1: to leave the UN Human Rights Counsel.
Speaker 4: Yeah So.
Speaker 2: In an interesting new Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, a
Speaker 2: man who, let's just say is nightmare fuel of some
Speaker 2: of the things he's been involved with, He's seeking a
Speaker 2: meeting with Jeffrey Epstein's associate, just Lenn Maxwell.
Speaker 1: Why is Todd Lanch doing this? Why? Why is Todd
Speaker 1: Flanch wants to meet with Jeffrey Epstein's associate, just Len Maxwell.
Speaker 2: Why why is Pam Bondy not doing it? Because everybody's
Speaker 2: been making some accusations around there. I mean, I wonder
Speaker 2: the bind Reels.
Speaker 1: Why why would he want to talk to just Len look,
Speaker 1: her lawyer has already said something to the effect of
Speaker 1: like Donald Trump is awesome and he will protect my car.
Speaker 1: You know, he said something like we look forward to
Speaker 1: meeting with them. Trump is very involved in pardoning people.
Speaker 1: He loves to pardon people, especially wealthy people. Maybe he
Speaker 1: won't pardon her, but certainly does feel like that's what
Speaker 1: she's looking for. We'll say, stay to the death of democracy.
Speaker 1: What will happen next week? We all wait with baited breath.
Speaker 2: Well, you're talking as if people who are in power
Speaker 2: sometimes cozy up to mister Trump and get pardons, another
Speaker 2: unfair treatment.
Speaker 1: That both know. That's very silly. That never happens except
Speaker 1: all the time. Josh Marshall is the editor of Talking
Speaker 1: Points memo Welcome Back, Too Fast Politics. Josh Marshall, thanks
Speaker 1: for having me. It was the best of times, it
Speaker 1: was the worst of it, just the worst of times.
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, it's not great, it's it's it's not
Speaker 5: a great time for America. I think you have to
Speaker 5: think you can state that kind of categorically.
Speaker 1: I wonder, like, I know when you leave the country.
Speaker 1: I haven't left the country in like a year since
Speaker 1: this presidency started, but I don't doubt that everyone in
Speaker 1: all those other countries is pretty horrified by what's going
Speaker 1: on here. So I want to start with Congress has
Speaker 1: been is being sent home for about a month and
Speaker 1: a half because Mike Johnson cannot figure out another way
Speaker 1: to get them not to legislate on releasing the Epstein files.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was this buzz or vibe in the DC
Speaker 5: news sheets over the weekend that paradoxically the Journal story
Speaker 5: had sort of, you know, flipped the dynamics of this story,
Speaker 5: and Trump has his people behind him again and kind
Speaker 5: of we're moving on and everything. I was dubious of that,
Speaker 5: but I you know, I couldn't be sure. But this
Speaker 5: basically shutting down the house and sending everybody home, I
Speaker 5: think tells the story. So does the stuff about releasing
Speaker 5: these Martin Luther King files. And now Pam Bond He's
Speaker 5: going to meet with Glaine Julane and never I've never
Speaker 5: known quite how to pronounce her name. Maxwell tastical or
Speaker 5: nature stories. They testify against themselves so endlessly on this,
Speaker 5: I mean, they keep coming up with these new things
Speaker 5: and new diversions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're like minutes from there are UFOs. I think
Speaker 1: is the net net a bit is eventually the White
Speaker 1: House will be like, we want to tell you the
Speaker 1: truth about the UFOs.
Speaker 3: Epstein, at Roswell.
Speaker 1: Epstein, at Roswell, the ten people who still do what
Speaker 1: we do. By the way, it's like from twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: to now, it's like they're literally used to be that,
Speaker 1: Like eleven people would write the opinion piece. Now there's
Speaker 1: like one person.
Speaker 3: I guess that's right.
Speaker 1: We run after these news cycles and it's just like one.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so so so dark. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: such a stocking turn of events to have nobody around.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if you could talk to us about
Speaker 1: why you think like he's definitely throwing everything against the wall,
Speaker 1: all the culture war stuff, everything like that. It seems
Speaker 1: like the grand jury testimony which will not show that much,
Speaker 1: which is why clearly they've decided because it has all redacted, victims,
Speaker 1: tams redacted, likely some of the perpetrators or all of
Speaker 1: the perpetrator's names redacted. Like that seems like a very
Speaker 1: smart way to give something that's nothing, But we know
Speaker 1: there are hundreds of pages of information there.
Speaker 5: It's clever in a way, but you know, I don't
Speaker 5: think it's enough to really change the dynamics. I mean,
Speaker 5: no one, there's no one ever been saying release the
Speaker 5: grand jury testimony, we need to see the Epstein grand
Speaker 5: Like that's never been anything anybody has said. Also, to
Speaker 5: the best of my knowledge, it's not something. I don't
Speaker 5: think anybody thinks there's anything really even in those And
Speaker 5: they've also stipulated that Pambondi will decide what's relevant and
Speaker 5: what's not. So the whole thing is stupid, and I
Speaker 5: think it'll, like a lot of these things, I think
Speaker 5: it'll have a half life of like a day.
Speaker 1: Right to silence the crit But it's interesting, Like so
Speaker 1: when we talk about like the difference between twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: and now, because that's something I spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time THEMA. And in twenty sixteen, you know, Trump would
Speaker 1: fire people, right, He'd say, remember Mattow had this huge
Speaker 1: wall of people he had fired, and be like this
Speaker 1: one and that one. You know, to be right, hundreds
Speaker 1: of people in the wall. There is no wall, right,
Speaker 1: he just keeps everyone. I don't know what's happening in
Speaker 1: his head, but it certainly seems like the thinking is
Speaker 1: if you fire people, you get more leaking, whereas if
Speaker 1: you just move everyone around, they still have skin in
Speaker 1: the game. Do you think that's what it is, or
Speaker 1: do you think there's some even more intrepid reason for
Speaker 1: why he's not firing people.
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I hadn't thought of that.
Speaker 5: I think the biggest reason is that he has pre
Speaker 5: selected everybody. He hadn't really thought of being president the
Speaker 5: first time, and so he had to kind of pull
Speaker 5: it together with people who were around, and most of
Speaker 5: those people were themselves pretty slimy, but thought he was
Speaker 5: nitty and had other dependencies and everything. So almost all
Speaker 5: those people had their own agendas and thought he was
Speaker 5: a fool, and some of them were from the sort
Speaker 5: of the Republican old regime, so he had a lot
Speaker 5: of reason to fire people the first time. So I
Speaker 5: think that's the biggest reason. But everybody is pre selected.
Speaker 5: I mean everybody, Cash Bettel has been you know, he
Speaker 5: had that little like you know, cash with the dollar
Speaker 5: sign that. I mean, they've all been in part of
Speaker 5: Trump Incorporated for like eight years, so they're all in there.
Speaker 5: They're all sort of made men and made women in
Speaker 5: the organization.
Speaker 3: So that's that's the big reason.
Speaker 5: But Also, I think what you say is right, the
Speaker 5: kind of like you know, like with you know, the
Speaker 5: congressman from Florida who was head of the NSC for
Speaker 5: what like three months or something like that.
Speaker 1: Mike Walls.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just give them a little other job and keep
Speaker 5: them on the line.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: So. I think it's both.
Speaker 5: There are lower level people who've gotten fired, but none
Speaker 5: of the people in sort of you know, kind of
Speaker 5: really Trump adjacent have been fired.
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I hadn't given that a lot
Speaker 3: of thought, But I think it's both those things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty wild when I think about where we
Speaker 1: are at this moment in Trump is. In twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: I had fears that were absolutely rational, fears right about
Speaker 1: what would happen to institutions, And what happened instead was
Speaker 1: that institutions held and that the Magabase did not get
Speaker 1: everything they wanted. But Trump got a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: but he didn't get everything he wanted. Now twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: there are no institutions that are holding. Everybody is caving right.
Speaker 1: People are bending over backwards to cave to him right
Speaker 1: from the do not obey an advanced guy who lives
Speaker 1: in Canada now right, like that guy doesn't even live here,
Speaker 1: Like the billionaires are just like we got to make deals.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody in the world is caving to Trump.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting and instructive to me. I actually think
Speaker 1: that what took down Trump the last time, the thing
Speaker 1: that was Trump's great sort of foil was ultimately his
Speaker 1: own incompetence, which is sort of the top line of
Speaker 1: the story we're looking at right now.
Speaker 3: I think that is true.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, one thing that occurs to me
Speaker 5: in what you just said is that, like you talked about,
Speaker 5: you know, getting what he wanted. But I have a
Speaker 5: slight twist on this, and that is that it took
Speaker 5: Trump's whole first term to actually find out what it
Speaker 5: was he wanted because basically Trump ran for president with
Speaker 5: no idea what he wanted. He thought, you run for president,
Speaker 5: If I win, it will be the law that everyone
Speaker 5: in the country has to love me.
Speaker 3: That was basically the proposition.
Speaker 1: Right, that's right, That's what he thought the president.
Speaker 5: And then he gets elected, and over the course of
Speaker 5: the interregnum between the presidencies, the transition, suddenly he is
Speaker 5: getting it from all sides. He's being accused of things
Speaker 5: I mean stuff he did, but still that doesn't change
Speaker 5: it from Trump's perspective. So well, Trump's whole arc over
Speaker 5: the last eight years is this experience of winning the
Speaker 5: legal right to have everybody in the country love him,
Speaker 5: but having them renege on that obligation and getting mad
Speaker 5: and wanting to use the presidency to get back at
Speaker 5: the people who did him wrong, who did the Russia investigation,
Speaker 5: who made COVID, who made him sad about COVID. So
Speaker 5: it's not just you know, people have the sense, well,
Speaker 5: he only kind of learned how to use the levers
Speaker 5: by the second term, and that's kind of true, But
Speaker 5: it was actually also only that he figured out what
Speaker 5: he wanted to do right by the end of the
Speaker 5: first term. So both of those things are kind of operative.
Speaker 5: I know I skipped your original question. That is the
Speaker 5: thing that occurs to me.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, at this phase in American democracy, no one
Speaker 1: expects anyone to answer a question. Ever, so as long
Speaker 1: as you just talk for a few minutes, good enough.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what I asked you.
Speaker 3: I can't remember either.
Speaker 1: It wasn't very obviously was not very good.
Speaker 3: It was a subset of my answer was a subset
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, middle aged, we are here, and it is a problem.
Speaker 1: It takes everything I have to not start spiraling into
Speaker 1: how do we get out of this thing? And also
Speaker 1: I am not convinced like and again, my biggest failing
Speaker 1: as a pundit, among other things, the fact that I
Speaker 1: can't pronounce people's names. And there are any number of
Speaker 1: other failings I have, but one of the ones that
Speaker 1: I have is I'm a little bit optimistic. So I
Speaker 1: but I'm a little bit optimistic, even though it's a
Speaker 1: fucking disaster, right, Like, there is no Muller, there is
Speaker 1: no figure on the horizon coming in with papers that
Speaker 1: need to be explained. There's none of that. But I
Speaker 1: still feel like people hate what Trump is doing. It's
Speaker 1: not popular. Trump administration is being held together with scotch tape. Right.
Speaker 1: I saw Tom Holman that had Vice today on Morning Joe.
Speaker 1: He would look like he was crying, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy looked like he did not look good, and
Speaker 1: he was like, it's just because you guys are so
Speaker 1: mean to us. That's why we have to wear the masks.
Speaker 1: And I'm just not sure that you can end this
Speaker 1: experiment of American democracy with the dumbest people on the
Speaker 1: planet discuss well.
Speaker 3: I think two things.
Speaker 5: One is I think I wrote a post maybe eight
Speaker 5: weeks or so into the administration that I thought he
Speaker 5: had already lost his effort. And I still think that.
Speaker 5: And that doesn't mean that things will not get a
Speaker 5: lot worse. I think they will get.
Speaker 3: A lot worse.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 3: He did things.
Speaker 5: Basically, if you want to sort of impose an autocracy, there's.
Speaker 3: Basic things you do and don't do.
Speaker 5: And one thing is you keep the you know what
Speaker 5: they in Russia they call the power ministries, the you know,
Speaker 5: the domestic police, the army. You keep all of them
Speaker 5: on side, You keep the pensioners on side. You juice
Speaker 5: the economy. He didn't do those things. He actually antagonized
Speaker 5: a lot of key segments of the population, and he
Speaker 5: scared a lot of people. First, he scared them with
Speaker 5: driving the economy into the ditch, or at least scaring
Speaker 5: people that he was in the process of doing that.
Speaker 5: He has done that again with this kind of very
Speaker 5: performative and also real secret policy stuff. I don't think
Speaker 5: you can transform a country like the United States into
Speaker 5: an autocracy against sizeable public opposition. Fifty fifty is doable
Speaker 5: because if you have the power of the state and
Speaker 5: like close to half the people, but he doesn't. He's
Speaker 5: really driving huge amounts of opposition. And again I'm not
Speaker 5: pollyannish about this. I think this will get much darker,
Speaker 5: but I share the basic optimism that what he's doing
Speaker 5: is really unpopular and we see that very clearly in
Speaker 5: lots of ways, and I think that is fundamentally this
Speaker 5: struggle that Trump has imposed on the country is at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, fundamentally about public opinion, and
Speaker 5: I think he is losing that battle.
Speaker 1: Correct. Now, I'm going to add something that is going
Speaker 1: to get people upset, but is absolutely right. The base
Speaker 1: is fucking furious with Democrat. They are so angry. I
Speaker 1: know this because I was on this is my this
Speaker 1: is my real people talk. I was on a book tour,
Speaker 1: and during my book tour, I would have these events
Speaker 1: and people come up to me and they'd be like,
Speaker 1: fuck this one, fuck that one. We're unhappy with this,
Speaker 1: We're unhappy that. And you know, I'm listening to people
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking it's not wrong, Like, it's not wrong.
Speaker 1: And here's my question for you, the BBB, So now
Speaker 1: Mike Johnson, who's basically men me. Trump has sent everyone
Speaker 1: home because he doesn't know how they're going to vote.
Speaker 1: So here's my question. Obviously, the Epstein stuff puts a
Speaker 1: wrinkle in everything, But I just wonder could Democrats have
Speaker 1: somehow engineered a scenario like this before the BBB passed
Speaker 1: or do you think that Epstein wrinkle is just such
Speaker 1: a seismic change that you could not have done it
Speaker 1: any other way.
Speaker 5: There is nothing with the power of the Epstein thing,
Speaker 5: specifically about Trump, right, And I think that to a
Speaker 5: great extent, even a lot of us didn't know he
Speaker 5: was so vulnerable to it.
Speaker 4: Until he told us, right he started.
Speaker 3: Doing all these things.
Speaker 5: So I think this Epstein cudgel was not available at
Speaker 5: the time.
Speaker 3: A That's part of it.
Speaker 5: The other part of it is that the way that
Speaker 5: the budget reconciliation process works is that there are a
Speaker 5: lot of privileged resolutions and things like privileged resolutions where
Speaker 5: and again I don't know how it exactly lines up
Speaker 5: in this case, but there's a lot of things about
Speaker 5: the about the reconciliation process, and that's why you can't
Speaker 5: filibuster that basically says no, no funny business. You can't
Speaker 5: you know, you can't slip in other things that needed
Speaker 5: to be voted on. You sort of get the rails
Speaker 5: for what you're trying to do. So for both of
Speaker 5: those reasons, I don't think this was available. Again the
Speaker 5: other part, I don't know all the technicalities, but that's
Speaker 5: a big feature of the reconciliation process. Having said that,
Speaker 5: there is definitely a sense, and I think we've seen
Speaker 5: this in various fronts over the last six months, that
Speaker 5: most Democrats are still in the mode of, you know,
Speaker 5: you don't want to shut the place down, you don't
Speaker 5: want to throw the place into chaos, you want to
Speaker 5: get business done, and they're I mean, back in March
Speaker 5: the continuing resolution thing was a classic example of that.
Speaker 5: And I think elected Democrats are finally starting to shift
Speaker 5: a bit from that because what we're hearing now is
Speaker 5: at the end of the summer, when they have yet
Speaker 5: another one of these, you know they're going to need
Speaker 5: another one of these stop gaps. Yeah, yeah, that in
Speaker 5: the Senate, they're just going to say no. And I
Speaker 5: think that's two reasons. One is that they are also
Speaker 5: hearing from the people you've heard from on the book tour,
Speaker 5: who are furious, furious, furious, furious. And what has also
Speaker 5: been a breaking point for some of those people themselves
Speaker 5: is they've just passed this budget, which obviously Democrats don't like.
Speaker 5: Even if they didn't maybe you know, fight enough, fight
Speaker 5: hard enough against it for some people's taste. But now
Speaker 5: they're just going back and undoing parts of the budget
Speaker 5: that they prompt you know, So the budget, Yeah, the
Speaker 5: budget's meetingless because you just say which parts will we
Speaker 5: either do a recision or which parts will.
Speaker 3: Just break the law?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Why even have it?
Speaker 5: All of those things are kind of happening, And to
Speaker 5: a certain extent, I always have I always try to
Speaker 5: balance these things and how I talk about them with people.
Speaker 5: To a certain extent, when the other side has a trifecta,
Speaker 5: there's not a lot you can do, especially on budgets
Speaker 5: where you have reconciliation and no filibuster. That is hard
Speaker 5: for people to accept, right that at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, they have the votes. That's it. Having said that, though,
Speaker 5: you can make more noise, and I do think you
Speaker 5: got some sense of that in the final days where
Speaker 5: the BBB was kind of moving towards passage, where a
Speaker 5: bunch of prominent Democrats were all over social media the
Speaker 5: fine details about rural hospitals, about medicaid, about all this
Speaker 5: kind of stuff. We're at least making as much noise
Speaker 5: as they could and sort of providing the public with
Speaker 5: information about how, you know, upset they should be, but
Speaker 5: you know, so it's a little of both. There is
Speaker 5: a sense in which it is hard for people to
Speaker 5: accept that when you don't have the votes, you don't
Speaker 5: have the votes. But there are lots of times and
Speaker 5: what sort of set the tone was what happened in March.
Speaker 5: People are right to be upset. People are really right
Speaker 5: to be upset about elected democrats not being It's not
Speaker 5: just not fighting hard enough. It's not fighting hard enough.
Speaker 5: It's not being creative enough in how you fight and
Speaker 5: fighting on every battle. I mean, this is the part
Speaker 5: about about being out of power. You don't you have
Speaker 5: a lot of time on your hands, Like what else
Speaker 5: are you gonna do? Right, You've got to like, Okay,
Speaker 5: you're gonna send more letters to your constituents or whatever,
Speaker 5: but fighting on every battle. And that's what I hope,
Speaker 5: at least is when the president's standing is approaching forty
Speaker 5: sixty you know, levels of opposition, the opposition party should
Speaker 5: be really willing to kind of let their freak flag fly, right,
Speaker 5: because if sixty percent of the public is opposing the president,
Speaker 5: you should be able to as an opposition party, you
Speaker 5: should be able to think, like, fuck, I could do
Speaker 5: anything and it'll be okay because everybody hates this guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh Marshall, will you come back?
Speaker 3: I will come back.
Speaker 1: Congressman Robert Garcia represents California's forty second district and is
Speaker 1: the ranking member of Oversight. Welcome too fast Politics. Congressman
Speaker 1: Robert Garcia, Hello, I so you're about to be sent
Speaker 1: home for a very very long recess.
Speaker 4: Why I mean, this is just so bizarre. I mean, basically,
Speaker 4: Mike Johnson and Republicans have decided that because they don't
Speaker 4: want to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and they don't want
Speaker 4: to force their members to take votes against their King,
Speaker 4: Donald Trump, that they're going to send everybody home. They
Speaker 4: would rather discard working on lowering costs or trying to
Speaker 4: expand health. They don't care about any of those things.
Speaker 4: Now they've they've shifted their attention back to protecting Donald
Speaker 4: Trump because he has Now you know, flipped this position
Speaker 4: on releasing the Epstion files. So it is it is
Speaker 4: like fucking insane. This is an insane week. They just
Speaker 4: they are obsessed now with playing clean up duty for
Speaker 4: Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Basically what's happened right now? Explain how to people who
Speaker 1: do not serve in Congress and don't understand the nuances
Speaker 1: of the situation, because Democrats actually did cause this, right,
Speaker 1: they pushed and pushed and pushed on the Ebstein stuff,
Speaker 1: which is also wildly popular and all their stituents want,
Speaker 1: and that's how we got here. So explain to us
Speaker 1: sort of the mechanism, because this is actually a win
Speaker 1: for Minority Leader Jeffries right in a convoluted way. So explain.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I mean, take one sit back. So we
Speaker 4: know that during the campaign, Donald Trump was obsessed with
Speaker 4: releasing the Epstein file. So it became aga rallying cry
Speaker 4: talked about all the time, you know the family, I
Speaker 4: mean Donald Trump Junior tweeted about a dozens of times.
Speaker 4: I mean, this has been center to the to their identity. Then,
Speaker 4: of course, now he's in office and we get this reversal.
Speaker 4: We know that Pambonni FBI DJ in turmoil. They're all
Speaker 4: fighting because there's different opinions on what should be released,
Speaker 4: what should be attracted. We now know that Donald Trump
Speaker 4: is completely flipped of course his position, and so that
Speaker 4: sets up essentially a series of votes that Democrats have
Speaker 4: started forcing Republicans to take in subcommittees. We are supporting
Speaker 4: of of this petition, which will force a large floor
Speaker 4: vote of members. And because you know, Mike Johnson wants
Speaker 4: to avoid these embarrassing votes, especially in the Rules Committee,
Speaker 4: because the Rules Committee was essentially forcing these Republicans to
Speaker 4: take votes Democrats saying release the files, Republicans saying, don't
Speaker 4: release them. Mike Johnson decided it was better to then
Speaker 4: basically cancel Congress than to have to have his members
Speaker 4: continue to take votes on whether or not the Epstein
Speaker 4: file should be released, whether we should be subpoena in people.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of where where they have left it.
Speaker 4: And so us I think by doubling down on essentially saying, hey,
Speaker 4: you wanted this, you owe it to the American public.
Speaker 4: Let's release these files. We don't did it, we don't
Speaker 4: care who it impacts, We just want the truth out there.
Speaker 4: Republicans are not running away scared. They can't confront you know,
Speaker 4: they can't confront Donald Trump. They want to avoid him
Speaker 4: at all costs. And now even they wanted to release
Speaker 4: the files. They are now scared of Donald Trump and
Speaker 4: are getting a lot of pressure from their base, as
Speaker 4: they should be.
Speaker 1: But let's be honest here, Republicans weren't going to pass
Speaker 1: any legislation anyway, right. They passed the one piece of
Speaker 1: legislation they were going to pass before the midterms, a
Speaker 1: bill that grows the deaficit three and a half trillion
Speaker 1: dollars but manages And we got the official CBO score
Speaker 1: this week, which was like, it's three and a half
Speaker 1: billion dollars, doesn't matter what you say. And they wanted
Speaker 1: to do this weird stuff cut a state tax cut,
Speaker 1: I mean in taxes for very wealthy people. And then also,
Speaker 1: I mean, there was nothing they were ever going to
Speaker 1: do except you know, there was a recision package that
Speaker 1: basically took money away from public radio. So I wonder
Speaker 1: if you could talk about sort of like there is
Speaker 1: on the horizon this insane healthcare premium situation which is
Speaker 1: about to come up, and can you explain that to
Speaker 1: us and talk about where we are with that.
Speaker 4: What we do know is, regardless of kind of Republicans'
Speaker 4: efforts to try to hide away what was actually this
Speaker 4: horrific build and just passed, we have real serious challenges
Speaker 4: with the healthcare system, absurance. We have real serious challenges
Speaker 4: with how we have to fund the government. We have
Speaker 4: challenges right now where what we're not talking about is
Speaker 4: the fact that Republicans can't figure out how to actually
Speaker 4: appropriate money to keep the government going. I mean, there
Speaker 4: are real serious challenges that we actually could be dealing
Speaker 4: that are noncesarily even in the form of bills, and
Speaker 4: we can be talking about those opportunities and challenges this week.
Speaker 4: But the House is completely at a standstill and frozen
Speaker 4: because of this damn Jeffrey Epstein skin all that Trump
Speaker 4: is basically creating and blowing up.
Speaker 1: Right, there's the reason why he's plowing it out.
Speaker 4: Look, here's the bottom line. Donald Trump is in the
Speaker 4: Epstein files. We already know that that's publicly been repented.
Speaker 4: He said, we're you know, we both like be to
Speaker 4: for women. Jeffrey on the younger side, they've been and
Speaker 4: they said they were best buddies for ten fifteen years.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is both of them have actually said this,
Speaker 4: and you know, this last move of trying to get
Speaker 4: to Laye Maxwell to actually now you know, to come
Speaker 4: testify in subpoena. This is fine, which we support. She
Speaker 4: also wants a pardon from Trump and so now he's
Speaker 4: trying to work her to get her to say what
Speaker 4: he wants her to say. And so while all of
Speaker 4: this is happening, we have real problems. I mean, the
Speaker 4: health insurance market is in real disarray right now. We
Speaker 4: people are going to start and we're are already seeing
Speaker 4: it having to pay more for health care. We're having
Speaker 4: coalitions of folks that are buying these rates for companies
Speaker 4: and nonprofits are seeing rates go up and all and
Speaker 4: a lot a lot of that has to deal with
Speaker 4: the fact that people know these cuts are now going
Speaker 4: to be in the pipeline, and so the health care
Speaker 4: industry isn't turnboil. There isn't anyone in healthcare, on the
Speaker 4: insurance side, on the hospital side, the provider's side that
Speaker 4: doesn't think that the Medicaid cuts and the upcoming kind
Speaker 4: of disruption of healthcare isn't going to make health care
Speaker 4: worse for everybody else. So if you already have health care.
Speaker 4: Your not going to improve, We're gonna actually have less
Speaker 4: people covered right fill up and it's a real crisis.
Speaker 4: And Trump is not interested in any event except for
Speaker 4: giving billionaires big tax breaks.
Speaker 1: Well, in Trump's defense, that's why they put him there.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you could you have become ranking on oversight.
Speaker 1: This was a harder fought battle of sort of wrestling
Speaker 1: power out in the hands of the older generation. This
Speaker 1: is the second time this has happened because the first
Speaker 1: person they put as the ranking member of oversight died.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about how this went down and how
Speaker 1: you did it, and also just I'm sure was inter
Speaker 1: party squabbling is always pretty tough, So talk to us
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to take what sit back. Like when
Speaker 4: Alex Alexandria uh Costure Cartez when she ran for for Rinker,
Speaker 4: I was one of the first ones to come out.
Speaker 4: I supported her. I was actually there's a nomination process
Speaker 4: where you actually get three nominators to nominate U inifront
Speaker 4: of the caucus before the big vote, I was winning
Speaker 4: for three nominators. I kind of went all in. They
Speaker 4: really believed that she was the right person. We needed
Speaker 4: a generational change. I thought she had the right message,
Speaker 4: and so when she was unsuccessful, actually didn't win the election,
Speaker 4: it was hard for a lot of us and there
Speaker 4: a lot of us in the caucus felt when are
Speaker 4: we going to actually bring in new voices? They basically
Speaker 4: shut out from from the process, and so folks like myself,
Speaker 4: Jasmine Crockett and Max Frost did a lot of us
Speaker 4: really struggled. And so when this other, when this obviously
Speaker 4: happened in the in the tragedy with with Jerry, I
Speaker 4: think a lot of us would started talking again. We're like,
Speaker 4: is this is this going to happen again? Are we
Speaker 4: going to maybe at this moment, because when when when
Speaker 4: alex Is a election happened and we and you fast
Speaker 4: forward to this last one. A lot happened during that time,
Speaker 4: and I think the country got even more upset and
Speaker 4: people were more energized, and folks want to change even more.
Speaker 4: And so that's when I think Jazz and myself in
Speaker 4: particular made the decision like, let's get in this fight,
Speaker 4: let's bring some change. Let's let's start talking to caucus members.
Speaker 4: And I started talking to people across the caucus, and
Speaker 4: it was clear to me that folks wanted some not
Speaker 4: just generational change, but new voices. And so I, you know,
Speaker 4: work my ass off talked to every person's caucus and Work,
Speaker 4: you know, worked really hard to share like I have,
Speaker 4: I have experience that they brought outside of Congress, and
Speaker 4: and I'm grateful that the caucus went in this direction.
Speaker 4: And I think you know, you know this, It's been
Speaker 4: one hundred years since our caucus has elected a sophomore
Speaker 4: to a leadership ranking member position. One hundred years. So
Speaker 4: it was time for a change. And I hope that
Speaker 4: we have opened the door and elections in the fut
Speaker 4: for this continue to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not a great moment for Democrats, right.
Speaker 1: People are super mad and they are mad at leadership.
Speaker 1: The R and C has like about six times more
Speaker 1: money than the Dncay, I mean, what do you think
Speaker 1: is going on?
Speaker 4: One? People are mad. A lot of folks don't trust
Speaker 4: people in politics in general. And I think that people
Speaker 4: see that we were unable to close the deal and
Speaker 4: winning the presidency of the Senate. We have a lot
Speaker 4: of work to do, and I think people need to
Speaker 4: understand that people view us as a coalition of folks
Speaker 4: that have not stood up and fought for working people,
Speaker 4: that we were out of touch, that it's to elite,
Speaker 4: and I think all of those things, and there are
Speaker 4: important lessons there. I think, look at what's happened in
Speaker 4: New York, and I mean, so many people have been
Speaker 4: talking about the mayor's race, and there's a lot of
Speaker 4: opinions there, but you cannot argue with the fact that Zoron,
Speaker 4: through simple messaging, a forward looking at and connecting with people,
Speaker 4: made a real impact and hell yeah, thing was cleared.
Speaker 4: And I think people you know that want to attribute
Speaker 4: what happened there to or want to you know, oh, well,
Speaker 4: you know, uh, I'm concerned about the fact that he's
Speaker 4: the democratic socialist or his position on what's happening in
Speaker 4: the Middle East, like that doesn't matter to the average
Speaker 4: voter there. In fact, that here's someone that communicated what
Speaker 4: that wanted three buses, universal childcare, wanted to freeze my
Speaker 4: rent through and I think we have a lot of
Speaker 4: lessons to learn from that campaign and from listening to
Speaker 4: younger people on the ground, and I think that work
Speaker 4: is starting. But I do not think that I'm not
Speaker 4: one of those that thinks, oh, we're gonna win the
Speaker 4: mid trus and that's a wrap.
Speaker 1: Don't want that's.
Speaker 3: Look I mean to do.
Speaker 1: What I was impressed with with Zorin more than anything
Speaker 1: was he got the ones and twos that the low
Speaker 1: frequency voters, which had been Harris. And this is not
Speaker 1: an indictment of Hairshi had one hundred days, but she
Speaker 1: could not get even the fours and vibes out for her. Now,
Speaker 1: I think there were a number of other mitigating factors
Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with her. But really, I
Speaker 1: think that when we see them, when we're looking at this,
Speaker 1: really it's really something to think about now. So I
Speaker 1: wonder what do you think about Like, we have a
Speaker 1: lot of New Ork lawmakers. I'm thinking of a bunch
Speaker 1: of people who refuse to endorse Mondani or who are
Speaker 1: very negative about him, saying a lot of things that
Speaker 1: certainly strike me as somewhat islamophobic. I've been sort of
Speaker 1: shocked by the amount of pressure they have put on
Speaker 1: you know, they are harder on Mondani than they are
Speaker 1: on Trump. So can you make it make sense to me?
Speaker 1: Because I'm like earnestly asking you this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the two things. One is, look, people
Speaker 4: are going to have their own people have their own
Speaker 4: political perspectives and their own relationships New York. I'm not
Speaker 4: a New Yorker, so like I get people their grace
Speaker 4: to have their opinions my position. I've told this to
Speaker 4: my New York friends and others. He is regardless of
Speaker 4: what you thought about during the campaign, he is our nominee.
Speaker 4: I'm a Democrat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a crack.
Speaker 4: He's a nominee and the party he should go all
Speaker 4: in to support him. That's that's the second thing. And
Speaker 4: I've told folks that maybe don't have a relationship with him. Look,
Speaker 4: I want I had to spend time with him last
Speaker 4: week here in DC. The guy is couldn't be kinder.
Speaker 1: I mean, wait, tell us, can you give us the
Speaker 1: circumstances of how you got to spend time with him?
Speaker 1: Tell us?
Speaker 4: So, Alexandria AOC brought him to d C for a
Speaker 4: meeting openly, she invited the entire caucus anyone wanted to
Speaker 4: come to meet with him, and about maybe about thirty
Speaker 4: thirty five of us attended this gathering, and it was
Speaker 4: a breakfast about him talking about how he thought we
Speaker 4: should connect with kind of these our voters, and especially
Speaker 4: how to reach working class people. That are not proffiliated
Speaker 4: in politics.
Speaker 1: Which should be the lesson from his victory, right, because
Speaker 1: it's not working. Other people aren't winning that way.
Speaker 4: I mean, he was a master class in communication, in
Speaker 4: political strategy. And the one thing I walked away with,
Speaker 4: besides the fact that he's brilliant and I'd already been
Speaker 4: communicating with his team and him before, was here's someone
Speaker 4: who actually gives you a He he comes off because
Speaker 4: he is a kind of person, right, And so the
Speaker 4: more you put this person in front of voters are
Speaker 4: more than gonna like him because he just looks he
Speaker 4: comes off as really genuine. Yeah, And I think we
Speaker 4: as a party have a lot to learn, not just
Speaker 4: from that race, but why some people want candidates and
Speaker 4: that stand on principle. They agree with you on every issue,
Speaker 4: but they want somebody to stand on principle. And it
Speaker 4: actually what you can believe they're actually looking out for
Speaker 4: us when we're out here, is that you know, we
Speaker 4: need be doing and taking on corruption in all four ms.
Speaker 4: We need to be banning members of Congress for treating stocks,
Speaker 4: We should be living becoming lobbyists. All these things are
Speaker 4: popular with people. They view the system as has gained
Speaker 4: against them and for the super wealthy, and so we
Speaker 4: have a lot of work to do in that area.
Speaker 4: And what people see in Zoron is just an average
Speaker 4: guy that cares about the issues they care about, that
Speaker 4: wants to help them afford their life a little better.
Speaker 4: And I think Democrats, we got to do a better
Speaker 4: job there. And that's a big lesson. I think that
Speaker 4: a lot of us are taken in.
Speaker 1: Did you see when he came and spoke, did people
Speaker 1: have that, say, war members pushing back on him in
Speaker 1: that same way that we've seen Jill brand you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, did you see that kind of like no?
Speaker 4: Oh, well, the thirty five folks that ended the breakfast,
Speaker 4: The reception was warm or excited. People were all talking,
Speaker 4: sharing ideas. He was very well received with those that
Speaker 4: were in attendance.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a progressive conservative thing. It's people
Speaker 4: want fighters who are going to stand up for the
Speaker 4: working person and not cozy up to lobbyist billionaires and
Speaker 4: big donors. And I think that that can appeal to anybody.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about you are the letter you guys
Speaker 1: sent to Fox? You ranking member of an oversight oversights job,
Speaker 1: I mean Congress. The Republicans in Congress aren't allowed to
Speaker 1: do it because it would make their boss mad. But
Speaker 1: the job is oversight. So tell us about this letter
Speaker 1: you guys sent to Fox News.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and look, and the hypocrisy here is
Speaker 4: so opt the charts, right, I mean, that's what I
Speaker 4: just came. I can't understand in a nutshell. You know,
Speaker 4: Fox and Friends, you know, average every viewership of you know,
Speaker 4: one point seven million tons of people watch it, as
Speaker 4: we know that show. They air an interview of which,
Speaker 4: by the way, the irony is Pete Hegseth is one
Speaker 4: of the interviewers on this interview. But the interview Donald
Speaker 4: Trump and asking about releasing the EPT files, and he
Speaker 4: basically responds and says, the first sentence he says is yes,
Speaker 4: you know, we should probably release him. We should release him.
Speaker 4: That one sentence gets clipped and is aired on the
Speaker 4: program and then got it, and then immediately they go
Speaker 4: to another question, another topic, and then that clip then
Speaker 4: the Trump campaign takes and amplifies that one sentence and
Speaker 4: it's everywhere release THEE file files. What we later find
Speaker 4: out in that you know, the broader interview, he actually
Speaker 4: answers that he goes there about a minute or a
Speaker 4: minute response of where it's a much more nuanced response
Speaker 4: about well, maybe there's some things in there that Easton
Speaker 4: near not mine opitu. Well they didn't actually air that.
Speaker 4: It was available later, but didn't air that. Now, in
Speaker 4: a normal world, we know that that happens. Sometimes news
Speaker 4: newscasts clip things and take things out of context. This
Speaker 4: I think was much different. It was deliberate, it was
Speaker 4: clearly we're trying to change the message. But why do
Speaker 4: we highlighted it? Is because Trump just settled for sixteen
Speaker 4: million dollars with CBS and Paramount for essentially accusing them.
Speaker 1: Of doing doing the very same thing that Fox News did.
Speaker 4: Right right, and so he gets you know, he gets
Speaker 4: sixteen million bucks out of Paramount for basically the same
Speaker 4: exact thing. And so we've been at We've asked pot
Speaker 4: Fox a series of questions about the back and forth
Speaker 4: about you know, what they knew and they communicate with
Speaker 4: with the Trump team and where they directed to make
Speaker 4: these cuts. And we've asked a series of questions of
Speaker 4: Fox use we hope, we hope we get a response. Mean,
Speaker 4: who knows now that Fox is being sued by Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: Maybe they'll be more receptive to our inquiry. But we
Speaker 4: wanted to just highlight the immense hypocrisy of Donald Trump here,
Speaker 4: and also we wanted to highlight and we're now reviewing
Speaker 4: where else did Donald Trump actually get his interviews edited
Speaker 4: that we don't know about yet, saying that he should
Speaker 4: be suing everyone. He can sue everybody, get settlements and
Speaker 4: get money, but then do the exact same thing. I mean,
Speaker 4: I so it's the hypocrisy that's insane. So hopefully we're
Speaker 4: gonna get some more information for Fox in the weeks ahead.
Speaker 1: Can you explain to us oversight the job of oversay
Speaker 1: right now? You don't Democrats don't control the House, so
Speaker 1: you don't have the ability to set the schedule. You
Speaker 1: still have some I mean, I feel like one of
Speaker 1: the things that people are so angry about is they're like,
Speaker 1: why can't Democrats do more? And there's a reason why, right,
Speaker 1: so explain to us a little bit. I feel like
Speaker 1: some of the problems here are that people just don't
Speaker 1: totally understand how Congress works. I mean, almost no one does,
Speaker 1: because we it's pretty much the fault of the media.
Speaker 1: We don't cover it enough, but explain the.
Speaker 4: Big difference is so oversight of the committee is the
Speaker 4: investigative branch of the Congress. Right, so this committee is
Speaker 4: the committee that has the subpeda power that can launch
Speaker 4: investigations for the Congress, that can if there's ever an impeachment,
Speaker 4: it goes for this committee all sorts of immense power
Speaker 4: in the investigation and transparency kind of arena, but that
Speaker 4: those powers are in the sense of control of the majority.
Speaker 4: The majority controls who you can subpoena, when you subpoena,
Speaker 4: what investigation officially to launch and can compel, whether it's
Speaker 4: a corporation, the White House, whoever, to release documents and
Speaker 4: for it and for.
Speaker 1: Except the Trump White House, which nobody can compel because
Speaker 1: they have their own special laws.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. So the in the minority oversight is
Speaker 4: very limited. We can't subpoena, we can't force release of documents,
Speaker 4: but we can still launch investigations whether or not we
Speaker 4: get documents back. If more limited and some choose not
Speaker 4: to respond, others others may respond. And for example, companies,
Speaker 4: let's say there are companies that are doing business with
Speaker 4: the White House. Maybe the White House won't respond to us,
Speaker 4: but you know, business X might respond because they're very
Speaker 4: aware that we're going to be in the majority at
Speaker 4: some point and then the tables are turned, and so
Speaker 4: we still will launch investigations. We still need to combat
Speaker 4: and take on truth and you know, the lies of
Speaker 4: what's actually the truth of these hearies in these committees.
Speaker 4: We need to use the star power of our committee.
Speaker 4: We have so many incredible members to amplify what's going
Speaker 4: on and warn the American Republic and what Republicans are
Speaker 4: trying to do. So all of that is still part
Speaker 4: of our of our tools that we can that we
Speaker 4: can use. But make a mistake. When we win the
Speaker 4: majority back, we're going to go hard at the Trump
Speaker 4: White House, the Kushner's, Stephen Miller, Donald all of Donald
Speaker 4: Trump's enablers, those in the government that are actually writing
Speaker 4: these unconstitutional laws and trying to implement them. Christ you know,
Speaker 4: I mean there there's there's an endless amount of investigations,
Speaker 4: subpoenas elon Musk folks that should be in front of
Speaker 4: the Congress answering questions. Uh, And people say, well, you
Speaker 4: know you're gonna you know, why are you so backwards? Looking,
Speaker 4: and we just need to have a ford looking agenda. Now, look,
Speaker 4: if we just sweep all of what this administration is
Speaker 4: doing under the rug, then we are saying that this
Speaker 4: is okay, that this is somehow the new normal, that
Speaker 4: politics has now become, this kind of corrupt, this den
Speaker 4: of corruption, and it is our duty to hold these
Speaker 4: people accountable when we have the ability to do so.
Speaker 4: And if that's we're not able to fully hold them accountable, now,
Speaker 4: then you best believe, and we have the majority, we
Speaker 4: have to do it. We have no choice.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Representative of Garcia, thank
Speaker 1: you the moment, Jesse.
Speaker 2: Cannon, Molly, we know the theme of this show is
Speaker 2: mister Trump is flooding the Zone with shit that is
Speaker 2: not Epstein. And one of the ways he flooded the
Speaker 2: zone is with two hundred and thirty thousand pages on
Speaker 2: Martin Luther King, and it seems like it's not doing
Speaker 2: the job it's supposed to do, as one could could
Speaker 2: probably guess.
Speaker 1: Look, Donald Trump is giving a fuck right about anything
Speaker 1: except trying to distract people. So he released all this
Speaker 1: MLK stuff. It's interesting to me, like they did this
Speaker 1: with the MLK and the RFK stuff, and it seems
Speaker 1: to have not gotten the result they wanted, but they've
Speaker 1: done it now with MLKA were like minutes away from them,
Speaker 1: just being like Area fifty one. It's real aliens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems like the next logical progression.
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