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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly john Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And the Congressional Budget Office says the

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Speaker 1: BBB will add a whopping three point four trillion dollars

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Speaker 1: to the national deficit over the next decade. It will

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Speaker 1: also knock millions of Americans off Medicaid. We have such

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Speaker 1: a great show for you today, talking Points memos own

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Speaker 1: Josh Marshall comes to talk to us about how Trump's

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Speaker 1: second administration is flailing. Then we will talk to Congressman

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Speaker 1: Robert Garcia about Congress getting sent home to protect Trump

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Speaker 1: from the Epstein files being released.

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Speaker 2: But first the news, Molly, you know what we got

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Speaker 2: to not do talk about Epstein because then mister Trump's

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Speaker 2: could be very mad. So what is he doing in

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Speaker 2: that case? He's saying lots of crazy shit, posting AI

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Speaker 2: Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So again we don't know what exactly. It just

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Speaker 1: seems like Trump is worried about something, so worried that

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Speaker 1: Mike Johnson has no sent Congress home for six weeks, okay,

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Speaker 1: all of August, two weeks in July, because Democrats did

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Speaker 1: vote against releasing the Epstein files, which puts them in

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Speaker 1: the intersection of both their conspiracy loving base, right, the

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Speaker 1: these Epstein files. I'm not sure why that would be.

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Speaker 1: So he sent everybody home, and Trump is now going

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Speaker 1: which continues to add momentum as it goes on. Again.

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Speaker 1: You'll remember last week the Wall Street Journal reported on

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Speaker 1: this salacious birthday note which had a drawing. And again

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Speaker 1: this has just been from the Wall Street Journal, but

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Speaker 1: we have seen other drawings that Trump has done that

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Speaker 1: Trump will say there's no, yeah, no relationship with Epstein.

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Speaker 1: But in two thousand and two he told New York

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's tape of Jeffrey Epstein saying they were

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Speaker 1: Really, there's tape of that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, have you heard that tape? Trump is going on

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Speaker 1: the offensive against his political enemies. He's gone from pumping

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Speaker 2: So while we're on the subject of people who obey

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Speaker 2: mister Trump no matter what he says or does, we

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Speaker 2: then get to one Lena Habba, who has now been

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Speaker 1: Elena Habba, you will remember from season one. She was

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Speaker 2: Yes, so Trump is pulling us out of the UN

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Speaker 1: So find someone who likes being mean to you the

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Speaker 1: They did a ninety day look at UNESCO. They decided

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Speaker 1: Human Rights Council. Let's be out here like that. Seems

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Speaker 1: Why is Todd Lanch doing this? Why? Why is Todd

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Speaker 1: Flanch wants to meet with Jeffrey Epstein's associate, just Len Maxwell.

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Speaker 2: Why why is Pam Bondy not doing it? Because everybody's

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Speaker 1: Why why would he want to talk to just Len look,

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Speaker 2: Well, you're talking as if people who are in power

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Speaker 1: That both know. That's very silly. That never happens except

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Speaker 1: for having me. It was the best of times, it

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Speaker 1: I wonder, like, I know when you leave the country.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there was this buzz or vibe in the DC

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Speaker 3: Epstein, at Roswell.

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Speaker 1: Epstein, at Roswell, the ten people who still do what

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Speaker 5: Like that's never been anything anybody has said. Also, to

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Speaker 1: Right to silence the crit But it's interesting, Like so

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Speaker 1: time THEMA. And in twenty sixteen, you know, Trump would

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Speaker 1: fire people, right, He'd say, remember Mattow had this huge

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Speaker 5: for people to accept, right that at the end of

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Speaker 5: the day, they have the votes. That's it. Having said that, though,

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Speaker 5: you can make more noise, and I do think you

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Speaker 5: got some sense of that in the final days where

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Speaker 5: the BBB was kind of moving towards passage, where a

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Speaker 5: bunch of prominent Democrats were all over social media the

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Speaker 5: fine details about rural hospitals, about medicaid, about all this

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Speaker 5: kind of stuff. We're at least making as much noise

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Speaker 5: as they could and sort of providing the public with

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Speaker 5: information about how, you know, upset they should be, but

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Speaker 5: you know, so it's a little of both. There is

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Speaker 5: a sense in which it is hard for people to

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Speaker 5: accept that when you don't have the votes, you don't

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Speaker 5: have the votes. But there are lots of times and

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Speaker 5: what sort of set the tone was what happened in March.

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Speaker 5: People are right to be upset. People are really right

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Speaker 5: to be upset about elected democrats not being It's not

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Speaker 5: just not fighting hard enough. It's not fighting hard enough.

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Speaker 5: It's not being creative enough in how you fight and

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Speaker 5: fighting on every battle. I mean, this is the part

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Speaker 5: about about being out of power. You don't you have

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Speaker 5: a lot of time on your hands, Like what else

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Speaker 5: are you gonna do? Right, You've got to like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: you're gonna send more letters to your constituents or whatever,

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Speaker 5: but fighting on every battle. And that's what I hope,

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Speaker 5: at least is when the president's standing is approaching forty

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Speaker 5: sixty you know, levels of opposition, the opposition party should

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Speaker 5: be really willing to kind of let their freak flag fly, right,

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Speaker 5: because if sixty percent of the public is opposing the president,

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Speaker 5: you should be able to as an opposition party, you

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Speaker 5: should be able to think, like, fuck, I could do

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Speaker 5: anything and it'll be okay because everybody hates this guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh Marshall, will you come back?

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Speaker 3: I will come back.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Robert Garcia represents California's forty second district and is

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Speaker 1: the ranking member of Oversight. Welcome too fast Politics. Congressman

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Speaker 1: Robert Garcia, Hello, I so you're about to be sent

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Speaker 1: home for a very very long recess.

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Speaker 4: Why I mean, this is just so bizarre. I mean, basically,

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Speaker 4: Mike Johnson and Republicans have decided that because they don't

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Speaker 4: want to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and they don't want

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Speaker 4: to force their members to take votes against their King,

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump, that they're going to send everybody home. They

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Speaker 4: would rather discard working on lowering costs or trying to

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Speaker 4: expand health. They don't care about any of those things.

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Speaker 4: Now they've they've shifted their attention back to protecting Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump because he has Now you know, flipped this position

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Speaker 4: on releasing the Epstion files. So it is it is

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Speaker 4: like fucking insane. This is an insane week. They just

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Speaker 4: they are obsessed now with playing clean up duty for

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Basically what's happened right now? Explain how to people who

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Speaker 1: do not serve in Congress and don't understand the nuances

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Speaker 1: of the situation, because Democrats actually did cause this, right,

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Speaker 1: they pushed and pushed and pushed on the Ebstein stuff,

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Speaker 1: which is also wildly popular and all their stituents want,

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Speaker 1: and that's how we got here. So explain to us

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Speaker 1: sort of the mechanism, because this is actually a win

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Speaker 1: for Minority Leader Jeffries right in a convoluted way. So explain.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I mean, take one sit back. So we

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Speaker 4: know that during the campaign, Donald Trump was obsessed with

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Speaker 4: releasing the Epstein file. So it became aga rallying cry

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Speaker 4: talked about all the time, you know the family, I

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Speaker 4: mean Donald Trump Junior tweeted about a dozens of times.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this has been center to the to their identity. Then,

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Speaker 4: of course, now he's in office and we get this reversal.

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Speaker 4: We know that Pambonni FBI DJ in turmoil. They're all

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Speaker 4: fighting because there's different opinions on what should be released,

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Speaker 4: what should be attracted. We now know that Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: is completely flipped of course his position, and so that

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Speaker 4: sets up essentially a series of votes that Democrats have

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Speaker 4: started forcing Republicans to take in subcommittees. We are supporting

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Speaker 4: of of this petition, which will force a large floor

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Speaker 4: vote of members. And because you know, Mike Johnson wants

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Speaker 4: to avoid these embarrassing votes, especially in the Rules Committee,

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Speaker 4: because the Rules Committee was essentially forcing these Republicans to

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Speaker 4: take votes Democrats saying release the files, Republicans saying, don't

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Speaker 4: release them. Mike Johnson decided it was better to then

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Speaker 4: basically cancel Congress than to have to have his members

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Speaker 4: continue to take votes on whether or not the Epstein

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Speaker 4: file should be released, whether we should be subpoena in people.

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Speaker 4: And that's kind of where where they have left it.

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Speaker 4: And so us I think by doubling down on essentially saying, hey,

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Speaker 4: you wanted this, you owe it to the American public.

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Speaker 4: Let's release these files. We don't did it, we don't

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Speaker 4: care who it impacts, We just want the truth out there.

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Speaker 4: Republicans are not running away scared. They can't confront you know,

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Speaker 4: they can't confront Donald Trump. They want to avoid him

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Speaker 4: at all costs. And now even they wanted to release

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Speaker 4: the files. They are now scared of Donald Trump and

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Speaker 4: are getting a lot of pressure from their base, as

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Speaker 4: they should be.

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Speaker 1: But let's be honest here, Republicans weren't going to pass

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Speaker 1: any legislation anyway, right. They passed the one piece of

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Speaker 1: legislation they were going to pass before the midterms, a

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Speaker 1: bill that grows the deaficit three and a half trillion

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Speaker 1: dollars but manages And we got the official CBO score

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Speaker 1: this week, which was like, it's three and a half

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Speaker 1: billion dollars, doesn't matter what you say. And they wanted

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Speaker 1: to do this weird stuff cut a state tax cut,

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Speaker 1: I mean in taxes for very wealthy people. And then also,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was nothing they were ever going to

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Speaker 1: do except you know, there was a recision package that

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Speaker 1: basically took money away from public radio. So I wonder

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Speaker 1: if you could talk about sort of like there is

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Speaker 1: on the horizon this insane healthcare premium situation which is

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Speaker 1: about to come up, and can you explain that to

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Speaker 1: us and talk about where we are with that.

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Speaker 4: What we do know is, regardless of kind of Republicans'

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Speaker 4: efforts to try to hide away what was actually this

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Speaker 4: horrific build and just passed, we have real serious challenges

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Speaker 4: with the healthcare system, absurance. We have real serious challenges

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Speaker 4: with how we have to fund the government. We have

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Speaker 4: challenges right now where what we're not talking about is

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Speaker 4: the fact that Republicans can't figure out how to actually

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Speaker 4: appropriate money to keep the government going. I mean, there

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Speaker 4: are real serious challenges that we actually could be dealing

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Speaker 4: that are noncesarily even in the form of bills, and

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Speaker 4: we can be talking about those opportunities and challenges this week.

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Speaker 4: But the House is completely at a standstill and frozen

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Speaker 4: because of this damn Jeffrey Epstein skin all that Trump

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Speaker 4: is basically creating and blowing up.

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Speaker 1: Right, there's the reason why he's plowing it out.

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Speaker 4: Look, here's the bottom line. Donald Trump is in the

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Speaker 4: Epstein files. We already know that that's publicly been repented.

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Speaker 4: He said, we're you know, we both like be to

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Speaker 4: for women. Jeffrey on the younger side, they've been and

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Speaker 4: they said they were best buddies for ten fifteen years.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is both of them have actually said this,

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Speaker 4: and you know, this last move of trying to get

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Speaker 4: to Laye Maxwell to actually now you know, to come

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Speaker 4: testify in subpoena. This is fine, which we support. She

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Speaker 4: also wants a pardon from Trump and so now he's

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Speaker 4: trying to work her to get her to say what

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Speaker 4: he wants her to say. And so while all of

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Speaker 4: this is happening, we have real problems. I mean, the

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Speaker 4: health insurance market is in real disarray right now. We

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Speaker 4: people are going to start and we're are already seeing

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Speaker 4: it having to pay more for health care. We're having

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Speaker 4: coalitions of folks that are buying these rates for companies

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Speaker 4: and nonprofits are seeing rates go up and all and

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Speaker 4: a lot a lot of that has to deal with

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Speaker 4: the fact that people know these cuts are now going

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Speaker 4: to be in the pipeline, and so the health care

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Speaker 4: industry isn't turnboil. There isn't anyone in healthcare, on the

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Speaker 4: insurance side, on the hospital side, the provider's side that

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Speaker 4: doesn't think that the Medicaid cuts and the upcoming kind

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Speaker 4: of disruption of healthcare isn't going to make health care

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Speaker 4: worse for everybody else. So if you already have health care.

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Speaker 4: Your not going to improve, We're gonna actually have less

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Speaker 4: people covered right fill up and it's a real crisis.

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Speaker 4: And Trump is not interested in any event except for

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Speaker 4: giving billionaires big tax breaks.

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Speaker 1: Well, in Trump's defense, that's why they put him there.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you could you have become ranking on oversight.

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Speaker 1: This was a harder fought battle of sort of wrestling

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Speaker 1: power out in the hands of the older generation. This

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Speaker 1: is the second time this has happened because the first

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Speaker 1: person they put as the ranking member of oversight died.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about how this went down and how

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Speaker 1: you did it, and also just I'm sure was inter

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Speaker 1: party squabbling is always pretty tough, So talk to us

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to take what sit back. Like when

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Speaker 4: Alex Alexandria uh Costure Cartez when she ran for for Rinker,

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Speaker 4: I was one of the first ones to come out.

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Speaker 4: I supported her. I was actually there's a nomination process

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Speaker 4: where you actually get three nominators to nominate U inifront

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Speaker 4: of the caucus before the big vote, I was winning

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Speaker 4: for three nominators. I kind of went all in. They

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Speaker 4: really believed that she was the right person. We needed

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Speaker 4: a generational change. I thought she had the right message,

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Speaker 4: and so when she was unsuccessful, actually didn't win the election,

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Speaker 4: it was hard for a lot of us and there

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Speaker 4: a lot of us in the caucus felt when are

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Speaker 4: we going to actually bring in new voices? They basically

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Speaker 4: shut out from from the process, and so folks like myself,

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Speaker 4: Jasmine Crockett and Max Frost did a lot of us

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Speaker 4: really struggled. And so when this other, when this obviously

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Speaker 4: happened in the in the tragedy with with Jerry, I

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Speaker 4: think a lot of us would started talking again. We're like,

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Speaker 4: is this is this going to happen again? Are we

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Speaker 4: going to maybe at this moment, because when when when

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Speaker 4: alex Is a election happened and we and you fast

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Speaker 4: forward to this last one. A lot happened during that time,

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Speaker 4: and I think the country got even more upset and

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Speaker 4: people were more energized, and folks want to change even more.

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Speaker 4: And so that's when I think Jazz and myself in

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Speaker 4: particular made the decision like, let's get in this fight,

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Speaker 4: let's bring some change. Let's let's start talking to caucus members.

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Speaker 4: And I started talking to people across the caucus, and

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Speaker 4: it was clear to me that folks wanted some not

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Speaker 4: just generational change, but new voices. And so I, you know,

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Speaker 4: work my ass off talked to every person's caucus and Work,

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Speaker 4: you know, worked really hard to share like I have,

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Speaker 4: I have experience that they brought outside of Congress, and

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Speaker 4: and I'm grateful that the caucus went in this direction.

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Speaker 4: And I think you know, you know this, It's been

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Speaker 4: one hundred years since our caucus has elected a sophomore

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Speaker 4: to a leadership ranking member position. One hundred years. So

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Speaker 4: it was time for a change. And I hope that

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Speaker 4: we have opened the door and elections in the fut

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Speaker 4: for this continue to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not a great moment for Democrats, right.

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Speaker 1: People are super mad and they are mad at leadership.

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Speaker 1: The R and C has like about six times more

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Speaker 1: money than the Dncay, I mean, what do you think

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Speaker 1: is going on?

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Speaker 4: One? People are mad. A lot of folks don't trust

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Speaker 4: people in politics in general. And I think that people

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Speaker 4: see that we were unable to close the deal and

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Speaker 4: winning the presidency of the Senate. We have a lot

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Speaker 4: of work to do, and I think people need to

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Speaker 4: understand that people view us as a coalition of folks

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Speaker 4: that have not stood up and fought for working people,

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Speaker 4: that we were out of touch, that it's to elite,

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Speaker 4: and I think all of those things, and there are

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Speaker 4: important lessons there. I think, look at what's happened in

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Speaker 4: New York, and I mean, so many people have been

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Speaker 4: talking about the mayor's race, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: opinions there, but you cannot argue with the fact that Zoron,

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Speaker 4: through simple messaging, a forward looking at and connecting with people,

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Speaker 4: made a real impact and hell yeah, thing was cleared.

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Speaker 4: And I think people you know that want to attribute

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Speaker 4: what happened there to or want to you know, oh, well,

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Speaker 4: you know, uh, I'm concerned about the fact that he's

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Speaker 4: the democratic socialist or his position on what's happening in

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Speaker 4: the Middle East, like that doesn't matter to the average

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Speaker 4: voter there. In fact, that here's someone that communicated what

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Speaker 4: that wanted three buses, universal childcare, wanted to freeze my

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Speaker 4: rent through and I think we have a lot of

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Speaker 4: lessons to learn from that campaign and from listening to

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Speaker 4: younger people on the ground, and I think that work

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Speaker 4: is starting. But I do not think that I'm not

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Speaker 4: one of those that thinks, oh, we're gonna win the

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Speaker 4: mid trus and that's a wrap.

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Speaker 1: Don't want that's.

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Speaker 3: Look I mean to do.

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Speaker 1: What I was impressed with with Zorin more than anything

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Speaker 1: was he got the ones and twos that the low

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Speaker 1: frequency voters, which had been Harris. And this is not

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Speaker 1: an indictment of Hairshi had one hundred days, but she

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Speaker 1: could not get even the fours and vibes out for her. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think there were a number of other mitigating factors

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Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with her. But really, I

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Speaker 1: think that when we see them, when we're looking at this,

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Speaker 1: really it's really something to think about now. So I

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Speaker 1: wonder what do you think about Like, we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of New Ork lawmakers. I'm thinking of a bunch

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Speaker 1: of people who refuse to endorse Mondani or who are

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Speaker 1: very negative about him, saying a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: certainly strike me as somewhat islamophobic. I've been sort of

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Speaker 1: shocked by the amount of pressure they have put on

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Speaker 1: you know, they are harder on Mondani than they are

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Speaker 1: on Trump. So can you make it make sense to me?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm like earnestly asking you this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the two things. One is, look, people

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Speaker 4: are going to have their own people have their own

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Speaker 4: political perspectives and their own relationships New York. I'm not

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Speaker 4: a New Yorker, so like I get people their grace

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Speaker 4: to have their opinions my position. I've told this to

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Speaker 4: my New York friends and others. He is regardless of

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Speaker 4: what you thought about during the campaign, he is our nominee.

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Speaker 4: I'm a Democrat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a crack.

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Speaker 4: He's a nominee and the party he should go all

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Speaker 4: in to support him. That's that's the second thing. And

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Speaker 4: I've told folks that maybe don't have a relationship with him. Look,

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Speaker 4: I want I had to spend time with him last

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Speaker 4: week here in DC. The guy is couldn't be kinder.

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Speaker 1: I mean, wait, tell us, can you give us the

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Speaker 1: circumstances of how you got to spend time with him?

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Speaker 1: Tell us?

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Speaker 4: So, Alexandria AOC brought him to d C for a

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Speaker 4: meeting openly, she invited the entire caucus anyone wanted to

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Speaker 4: come to meet with him, and about maybe about thirty

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Speaker 4: thirty five of us attended this gathering, and it was

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Speaker 4: a breakfast about him talking about how he thought we

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Speaker 4: should connect with kind of these our voters, and especially

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Speaker 4: how to reach working class people. That are not proffiliated

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Speaker 4: in politics.

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Speaker 1: Which should be the lesson from his victory, right, because

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Speaker 1: it's not working. Other people aren't winning that way.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he was a master class in communication, in

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Speaker 4: political strategy. And the one thing I walked away with,

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Speaker 4: besides the fact that he's brilliant and I'd already been

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Speaker 4: communicating with his team and him before, was here's someone

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Speaker 4: who actually gives you a He he comes off because

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Speaker 4: he is a kind of person, right, And so the

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Speaker 4: more you put this person in front of voters are

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Speaker 4: more than gonna like him because he just looks he

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Speaker 4: comes off as really genuine. Yeah, And I think we

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Speaker 4: as a party have a lot to learn, not just

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Speaker 4: from that race, but why some people want candidates and

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Speaker 4: that stand on principle. They agree with you on every issue,

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Speaker 4: but they want somebody to stand on principle. And it

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Speaker 4: actually what you can believe they're actually looking out for

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Speaker 4: us when we're out here, is that you know, we

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Speaker 4: need be doing and taking on corruption in all four ms.

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Speaker 4: We need to be banning members of Congress for treating stocks,

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Speaker 4: We should be living becoming lobbyists. All these things are

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Speaker 4: popular with people. They view the system as has gained

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Speaker 4: against them and for the super wealthy, and so we

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Speaker 4: have a lot of work to do in that area.

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Speaker 4: And what people see in Zoron is just an average

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Speaker 4: guy that cares about the issues they care about, that

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Speaker 4: wants to help them afford their life a little better.

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Speaker 4: And I think Democrats, we got to do a better

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Speaker 4: job there. And that's a big lesson. I think that

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Speaker 4: a lot of us are taken in.

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Speaker 1: Did you see when he came and spoke, did people

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Speaker 1: have that, say, war members pushing back on him in

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Speaker 1: that same way that we've seen Jill brand you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, did you see that kind of like no?

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Speaker 4: Oh, well, the thirty five folks that ended the breakfast,

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Speaker 4: The reception was warm or excited. People were all talking,

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Speaker 4: sharing ideas. He was very well received with those that

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Speaker 4: were in attendance.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's a progressive conservative thing. It's people

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Speaker 4: want fighters who are going to stand up for the

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Speaker 4: working person and not cozy up to lobbyist billionaires and

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Speaker 4: big donors. And I think that that can appeal to anybody.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about you are the letter you guys

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Speaker 1: sent to Fox? You ranking member of an oversight oversights job,

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Speaker 1: I mean Congress. The Republicans in Congress aren't allowed to

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Speaker 1: do it because it would make their boss mad. But

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Speaker 1: the job is oversight. So tell us about this letter

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Speaker 1: you guys sent to Fox News.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and look, and the hypocrisy here is

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Speaker 4: so opt the charts, right, I mean, that's what I

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Speaker 4: just came. I can't understand in a nutshell. You know,

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Speaker 4: Fox and Friends, you know, average every viewership of you know,

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Speaker 4: one point seven million tons of people watch it, as

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Speaker 4: we know that show. They air an interview of which,

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Speaker 4: by the way, the irony is Pete Hegseth is one

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Speaker 4: of the interviewers on this interview. But the interview Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump and asking about releasing the EPT files, and he

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Speaker 4: basically responds and says, the first sentence he says is yes,

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Speaker 4: you know, we should probably release him. We should release him.

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Speaker 4: That one sentence gets clipped and is aired on the

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Speaker 4: program and then got it, and then immediately they go

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Speaker 4: to another question, another topic, and then that clip then

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Speaker 4: the Trump campaign takes and amplifies that one sentence and

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Speaker 4: it's everywhere release THEE file files. What we later find

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Speaker 4: out in that you know, the broader interview, he actually

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Speaker 4: answers that he goes there about a minute or a

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Speaker 4: minute response of where it's a much more nuanced response

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Speaker 4: about well, maybe there's some things in there that Easton

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Speaker 4: near not mine opitu. Well they didn't actually air that.

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Speaker 4: It was available later, but didn't air that. Now, in

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Speaker 4: a normal world, we know that that happens. Sometimes news

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Speaker 4: newscasts clip things and take things out of context. This

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Speaker 4: I think was much different. It was deliberate, it was

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Speaker 4: clearly we're trying to change the message. But why do

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Speaker 4: we highlighted it? Is because Trump just settled for sixteen

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Speaker 4: million dollars with CBS and Paramount for essentially accusing them.

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Speaker 1: Of doing doing the very same thing that Fox News did.

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Speaker 4: Right right, and so he gets you know, he gets

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Speaker 4: sixteen million bucks out of Paramount for basically the same

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Speaker 4: exact thing. And so we've been at We've asked pot

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Speaker 4: Fox a series of questions about the back and forth

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Speaker 4: about you know, what they knew and they communicate with

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Speaker 4: with the Trump team and where they directed to make

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Speaker 4: these cuts. And we've asked a series of questions of

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Speaker 4: Fox use we hope, we hope we get a response. Mean,

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Speaker 4: who knows now that Fox is being sued by Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they'll be more receptive to our inquiry. But we

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Speaker 4: wanted to just highlight the immense hypocrisy of Donald Trump here,

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Speaker 4: and also we wanted to highlight and we're now reviewing

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Speaker 4: where else did Donald Trump actually get his interviews edited

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Speaker 4: that we don't know about yet, saying that he should

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Speaker 4: be suing everyone. He can sue everybody, get settlements and

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Speaker 4: get money, but then do the exact same thing. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I so it's the hypocrisy that's insane. So hopefully we're

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Speaker 4: gonna get some more information for Fox in the weeks ahead.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain to us oversight the job of oversay

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Speaker 1: right now? You don't Democrats don't control the House, so

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Speaker 1: you don't have the ability to set the schedule. You

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Speaker 1: still have some I mean, I feel like one of

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Speaker 1: the things that people are so angry about is they're like,

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Speaker 1: why can't Democrats do more? And there's a reason why, right,

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Speaker 1: so explain to us a little bit. I feel like

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Speaker 1: some of the problems here are that people just don't

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Speaker 1: totally understand how Congress works. I mean, almost no one does,

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Speaker 1: because we it's pretty much the fault of the media.

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Speaker 1: We don't cover it enough, but explain the.

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Speaker 4: Big difference is so oversight of the committee is the

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Speaker 4: investigative branch of the Congress. Right, so this committee is

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Speaker 4: the committee that has the subpeda power that can launch

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Speaker 4: investigations for the Congress, that can if there's ever an impeachment,

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Speaker 4: it goes for this committee all sorts of immense power

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Speaker 4: in the investigation and transparency kind of arena, but that

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Speaker 4: those powers are in the sense of control of the majority.

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Speaker 4: The majority controls who you can subpoena, when you subpoena,

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Speaker 4: what investigation officially to launch and can compel, whether it's

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Speaker 4: a corporation, the White House, whoever, to release documents and

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Speaker 4: for it and for.

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Speaker 1: Except the Trump White House, which nobody can compel because

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Speaker 1: they have their own special laws.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. So the in the minority oversight is

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Speaker 4: very limited. We can't subpoena, we can't force release of documents,

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Speaker 4: but we can still launch investigations whether or not we

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Speaker 4: get documents back. If more limited and some choose not

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Speaker 4: to respond, others others may respond. And for example, companies,

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Speaker 4: let's say there are companies that are doing business with

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Speaker 4: the White House. Maybe the White House won't respond to us,

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Speaker 4: but you know, business X might respond because they're very

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Speaker 4: aware that we're going to be in the majority at

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Speaker 4: some point and then the tables are turned, and so

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Speaker 4: we still will launch investigations. We still need to combat

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Speaker 4: and take on truth and you know, the lies of

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Speaker 4: what's actually the truth of these hearies in these committees.

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Speaker 4: We need to use the star power of our committee.

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Speaker 4: We have so many incredible members to amplify what's going

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Speaker 4: on and warn the American Republic and what Republicans are

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Speaker 4: trying to do. So all of that is still part

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Speaker 4: of our of our tools that we can that we

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Speaker 4: can use. But make a mistake. When we win the

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Speaker 4: majority back, we're going to go hard at the Trump

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Speaker 4: White House, the Kushner's, Stephen Miller, Donald all of Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump's enablers, those in the government that are actually writing

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Speaker 4: these unconstitutional laws and trying to implement them. Christ you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean there there's there's an endless amount of investigations,

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Speaker 4: subpoenas elon Musk folks that should be in front of

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Speaker 4: the Congress answering questions. Uh, And people say, well, you

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Speaker 4: know you're gonna you know, why are you so backwards? Looking,

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Speaker 4: and we just need to have a ford looking agenda. Now, look,

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Speaker 4: if we just sweep all of what this administration is

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Speaker 4: doing under the rug, then we are saying that this

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Speaker 4: is okay, that this is somehow the new normal, that

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Speaker 4: politics has now become, this kind of corrupt, this den

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Speaker 4: of corruption, and it is our duty to hold these

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Speaker 4: people accountable when we have the ability to do so.

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Speaker 4: And if that's we're not able to fully hold them accountable, now,

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Speaker 4: then you best believe, and we have the majority, we

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Speaker 4: have to do it. We have no choice.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Representative of Garcia, thank

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Speaker 1: you the moment, Jesse.

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Speaker 2: Cannon, Molly, we know the theme of this show is

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Speaker 2: mister Trump is flooding the Zone with shit that is

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Speaker 2: not Epstein. And one of the ways he flooded the

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Speaker 2: zone is with two hundred and thirty thousand pages on

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Speaker 2: Martin Luther King, and it seems like it's not doing

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Speaker 2: the job it's supposed to do, as one could could

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Speaker 2: probably guess.

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Speaker 1: Look, Donald Trump is giving a fuck right about anything

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Speaker 1: except trying to distract people. So he released all this

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Speaker 1: MLK stuff. It's interesting to me, like they did this

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Speaker 1: with the MLK and the RFK stuff, and it seems

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Speaker 1: to have not gotten the result they wanted, but they've

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Speaker 1: done it now with MLKA were like minutes away from them,

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Speaker 1: just being like Area fifty one. It's real aliens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems like the next logical progression.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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