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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I'm Ryan Recker,

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Speaker 2: your host tonight, and we're joined by filmmaker Dean Aliotto.

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Speaker 2: You can find him online his new movie The Alien Perspective,

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Speaker 2: a two part documentary Alien perspectivemovie dot com. Dean, I'm

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Speaker 2: already getting a lot of emails, so I think we're

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Speaker 2: going to get some good calls next hour. Can I

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Speaker 2: ask you part of the documentary that was really interesting

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Speaker 2: to me. You talk to a woman who was welcomed

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Speaker 2: to the Vatican to look at some.

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Speaker 3: Of their archives.

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Speaker 2: You said that or she said rather as part of

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Speaker 2: the documentary that she was down there with guards. They

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Speaker 2: wanted to make sure that one nothing was damaged, but

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Speaker 2: two nothing was taken and there was no photographs taken.

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Speaker 2: I would think that type of access is once in

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Speaker 2: a lifetime for many different journalists, and to me that's

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Speaker 2: really fascinating. It makes me wonder what kind of things

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Speaker 2: you would search for if you were given access to

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Speaker 2: any archive. Because a lot of different ideas you bring

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Speaker 2: up as part of the documentary about the film that

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Speaker 2: you go in different directions. What's the one thing you

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Speaker 2: would start searching for if you had unlimited access?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, that was professor of religious studies,

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Speaker 4: doctor Dinah Pasoka, who's in our documentary.

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Speaker 5: Life Beyond Earth.

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Speaker 4: She was granted that permission because she was a religious

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Speaker 4: studies scholar. She was the first woman, I believe, to

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Speaker 4: be able to go into the Vatican's secret archives, and

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Speaker 4: so that was a kind of a huge tipping point

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Speaker 4: for that. If I could go, well, first of all,

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Speaker 4: I want to know what sections they have. You know,

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Speaker 4: I'd probably go because I know they do have an

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Speaker 4: extraterrestrial program. It's now called microbial uh program, but it

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Speaker 4: was before called the extraterrestrial program, and so I would

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Speaker 4: probably hit that.

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Speaker 5: But I would also want to know.

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Speaker 1: God.

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Speaker 4: When I think of libraries, oh man, I mean there's

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Speaker 4: the Acasak record libraries.

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Speaker 5: Sure, that would be great to find out you know,

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Speaker 5: where we came from, where we're going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's interesting. Yeah, the idea that there's

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Speaker 2: these records are out there. And there's a show on

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Speaker 2: Apple TV now called Pluribus. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: watched any of it's it's pretty new, and daughter just I.

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Speaker 5: Don't want to watch it.

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Speaker 3: It's very good. I'm really enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: But the idea that and I don't want to spoil anything,

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Speaker 2: but the idea that you can have access to anything

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Speaker 2: that you request, and as part of a plot point,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to ruin it. I thought, that's one

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Speaker 2: of the first things I would say, I want to

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Speaker 2: open the Vatican records and read what's in there that

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Speaker 2: that interests me.

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to the idea of tradition life.

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Speaker 2: The way we look at these crafts may be completely

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Speaker 2: different than the reality, and I want you to kind

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Speaker 2: of explore that idea that there may be concepts outside

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Speaker 2: of traditional life that we need to explore.

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Speaker 4: Sure, so my belief system was radically changed over the

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Speaker 4: eight years going down this again, this rabbit hole for

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Speaker 4: lack of a better word. First, I started out thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 4: it's got to be some type of fusion, it's got

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Speaker 5: Et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Which it still may be, but I'm feeling like at

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Speaker 4: some point you start intuiting things. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: during these documentaries, I had an experience I've never had

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Speaker 4: the past, which is ed to go on do these

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Speaker 4: meditation retreats, and I would have my like, my eyelids

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Speaker 4: flutter when I felt like there was a lot of energy.

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Speaker 4: That sounds very woo woo, but my ex and I

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Speaker 5: Living a structure.

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Speaker 4: And so I started thinking about that, about the telepathy between.

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Speaker 5: Because where we're going and where our brains are headed.

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Speaker 4: According to doctor Michael Masters, we are going to become

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Speaker 4: more and more clairvoyant. That's intuitive, and he's seeing that

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Speaker 4: we're going to have the capacity for that based on

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Speaker 4: the limited knowledge that we know of how the brain

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Speaker 4: eyes and how that could develop. So if we're able

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Speaker 4: to manipulate these crafts, you wouldn't have you wouldn't need

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Speaker 4: But there's two other things that that came up for me.

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Speaker 4: One of them is that I think these crafts, first

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Speaker 4: of all, they're skipping time. We know this when you

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Speaker 4: look at as a case, and again I look at

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Speaker 4: all the cases that are out there, and I try

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Speaker 4: to find corresponding things like you know, again it's my

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Speaker 4: background working on crime shows. You got that yarn that

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Speaker 4: goes from one bit of evidence to another. And what

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Speaker 4: Aerial Phenomenon, You'll see that these kids describe the beings

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Speaker 4: that they saw as seeming to skip in time when

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Speaker 4: me thinking, are these crafts just skipping time? And so

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Speaker 4: what we're perceiving is that they're moving along and maybe

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Speaker 4: but when they really want to move and relocate themselves,

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Speaker 5: Hand turns like that.

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Speaker 4: And so the other thing is people have seen deceased

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Speaker 4: loved ones on or near craft. So if that's possible,

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Speaker 4: then what if they figured out these non human intelligence,

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Speaker 4: the astro plane so they're literally you're able to see them,

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Speaker 4: And then it kind of shimmers people described just as

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Speaker 4: they've seen ghosts. I mean, apply everything to the witnesses

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Speaker 4: so I think it's something that again, you talked about

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Speaker 4: the physics. There are physics that whenever I hear a

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Speaker 4: don't have them, that's not how physics work, I laugh

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Speaker 4: because it's like, oh my god, the hubris. Please allow

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Speaker 4: for us to evolve into higher forms of physics, things

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Speaker 4: we have to really be, like I said, agnostic.

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Speaker 5: We have to think the possibilities are endless.

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Speaker 2: I think that's important to point out when you have

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Speaker 2: to accept that there are unknowns that you are unknown

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Speaker 2: to you. You have to accept that we can't be

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Speaker 2: we wouldn't have any advancements to where we are today.

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Speaker 3: Just from our own history.

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Speaker 2: We understand our understanding changes over time of a lot

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Speaker 2: how it may not work, that could absolutely change in

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Speaker 2: the future. The concept of them traveling through time is

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Speaker 2: an interesting one too, because you look at time as

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Speaker 2: feel any air or for thrust, things that when we

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Speaker 2: that's a common thread with people I'm guessing you've talked to.

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Speaker 2: They all have these common experiences that could be pointing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because when I go to these conventions

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Speaker 4: when I pull all those together, I keep finding that

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Speaker 4: and the movie is whether you want to call it

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Speaker 4: So the people who may be experiencing more of it,

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Speaker 4: But and I don't mean by experiences by just people

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Speaker 4: see that movie.

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Speaker 5: I think that.

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Speaker 4: In order for us to fully be able to integrate

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. Why don't you think they're helping us?

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Speaker 2: If evolution is what is needed to bridge the gap

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Speaker 2: aren't they helping us more to bridge that gap?

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, here's my answer for that, and this is

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Speaker 4: I think that's kind of a win win for everyone. However,

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Speaker 4: we weaponize everything, So how do you figure out a

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Speaker 4: give them, like you said, suggested that we've had you know,

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Speaker 5: Gifted to us.

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Speaker 4: I kind of question that because I think, why would

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Speaker 4: if we have these crafts, we can fly parallel with them,

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Speaker 5: When we get these crash craft we've got to put

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Speaker 4: And so my feeling on that is you can figure

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Speaker 5: Or Fox News. They don't need to get us, have

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Speaker 2: Well, certainly there would have to be some people that

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Speaker 2: unknown equation where there could be someone working on something

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Speaker 4: Well, I talk about it and life beyond Earth where

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Speaker 4: we actually give examples. Dinah Pasoko gives examples, great examples

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Speaker 4: We might have called them back in the day the

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Speaker 4: muse if you will, but to use you know, verbiage

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Speaker 4: from the province of our time, we would say it

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Speaker 4: was a download. And so it feels like there is

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Speaker 4: I feel like at the same time, there is a

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Speaker 4: kind of a hive mentality, you know. As an example,

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Speaker 4: I see it every time on going to these UFO conventions.

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Speaker 4: I see a group of people who have a for

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Speaker 4: want to see this and experience this, and they're all

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Speaker 4: open minded. And these aren't warring people, They're just people

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Speaker 4: which is why I think the beans are coming here,

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Speaker 4: which is curiosity, and so that helped the curiosity and

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Speaker 4: you thinking about things and how things work and how

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Speaker 4: to manipulate things and create things.

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Speaker 5: Creation comes from curiosity.

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Speaker 3: Yeap. Did you know the comedian Nate BARGATSI very popular commedian,

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Speaker 3: right awesome?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's great.

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Speaker 2: So he's got this bit where he said he would

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Speaker 2: be the worst time traveler, So if he were to

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Speaker 2: how does it work? And you'll say, oh boy, you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Satellites maybe, Okay, what's the satellite? Oh man,

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Speaker 2: you got me there again? Okay, who's the next president?

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Speaker 3: Oh no.

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Speaker 2: So let's put that in the perspective of aliens, in

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Speaker 2: the sense that let's say it is an time shift

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Speaker 2: that's going on with them. I mean, it may be opposite,

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Speaker 3: May be true.

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Speaker 2: There that same concept where if he were a time traveler,

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't know how to explain it, or maybe he

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Speaker 2: doesn't know how it works technically, but possibly what if

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Speaker 2: these aliens are going through time and they know our

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Speaker 2: concepts and what we understand today are so beyond us

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Speaker 4: Right, That's the rub, you know, sci fi writers, that's

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Speaker 4: to be. And a lot of scientists have been affected

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Speaker 4: by that. I mean we have we have Star Trek,

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Speaker 4: of scientists who are interested in the tricorder, interested in

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Speaker 4: time travel and everything else, and so it's it's it's

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Speaker 4: interesting because if you do go back in time and

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Speaker 4: you gift them a new iPhone seventeen.

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Speaker 5: They're not going to know.

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Speaker 4: And you could show them eventually, you could show them

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Speaker 4: how to maybe use it, but you can't show them

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Speaker 4: how to replicate it, and you can't show them how

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