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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Pure horror.

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Speaker 2: Maddie Soto, just thirteen years old, slept in the bed

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Speaker 2: with mommies live in the night before her murder. This

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Speaker 2: as disturbing details emerge about the crime, saying and well

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Speaker 2: that's not all shocking. Prison emails go back and forth

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Speaker 2: between the suspect mommies live in lover and they seemingly

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Speaker 2: blow this case wide open. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Madeline is thirteen years old.

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Speaker 3: She has been missing since eight thirty on Monday morning,

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Speaker 3: when mom's boyfriend dropped her off near Hunter's Creek Middle School.

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Speaker 3: He dropped her off actually near the Piece United Methodist

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Speaker 1: Okay, so she was supposed to be dropped off by school.

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Speaker 1: Didn't make it to school, didn't make it a school.

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Speaker 2: I went to pick her up from school today and she.

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Speaker 1: Never came out.

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Speaker 4: They announced it all the speaker, and I'm just like,

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Speaker 4: maybe she walked here, because sometimes she'll walk here to

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Speaker 1: I came here nothing. I went back to the school.

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Speaker 1: We were closed.

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Speaker 2: I got to notice an email from the school thing

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Speaker 2: she was absent.

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Speaker 1: But I also messaged her teacher, and you looked at

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Speaker 1: her entire tennis.

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Speaker 2: Today and saw that she was completely not at school

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Speaker 1: Never made it. Okay, what's her name? Madeline? I'm a

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Speaker 1: So's ohto?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is it just me and my projecting words?

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Speaker 2: Everybody just a little too calm In that video, that's

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Speaker 1: What what?

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Speaker 1: Why is everybody so calm?

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Speaker 2: Mattie is missing and she has been missing for a

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Speaker 2: considerable period of time. When that happens, now, hold on,

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Speaker 2: I want you to think about what you just saw

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Speaker 2: and that is that Mommy's car went back and forth

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Speaker 1: Let that sink in Mommy's car.

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Speaker 2: Went back and forth between the home where little Mattie

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Speaker 1: It's caught on surveillance video.

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Speaker 2: Who was driving it don't know, but it was Mommy's

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Speaker 1: Is this like, does she like have any places that

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Speaker 1: you guys know that she'll usually be at.

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Speaker 5: Any friend's house, any places that she has to hang

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Speaker 1: No, not typically?

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Speaker 2: Okay, just give you one second, let me get some

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Speaker 2: thank you for football. Yeah, we don't have any idea

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Speaker 2: where she might be joining me an all star panel

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Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know right now. First,

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Speaker 2: I want to go out to Shannon Butler, investigative reporter

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Speaker 2: WFTV nine on this case from the beginning and giving

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Speaker 2: me a lot of information I'm not getting from the

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Speaker 1: Shannon, Thank you for being with us. Shannon.

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Speaker 2: In addition to disturbing, disturbing descriptions and details are getting

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Speaker 2: which some people are describing as Maddie's stepdad, he's not

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Speaker 2: talk about the evidence, the evidence regarding Mommy's car, going

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Speaker 1: Then we'll get to all of.

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Speaker 2: Sterns, the suspect, the murder suspect, all of his emails,

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Speaker 7: Listen shocking new revelations in the Mattie Sodo murder investigation.

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Speaker 7: Investigators release information about Stefan Sterns and tracking the silver

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Speaker 2: To Shannon Butler, joining US investigative reporter WFTV nine, Shannon,

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Speaker 2: what can you tell me about mommy's car going to

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Speaker 6: Well, we don't know who the driver is, and that,

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Speaker 6: But there are a lot of a lot of questions.

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Speaker 6: Could it have been Jen Sodo?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Shannon Butler, you just said, Shanna joining us WFTV nine,

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Speaker 2: you just said, with so much suspicion swirling around Maddie's mother,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about thirteen year old Madeline Sotto found dead.

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Speaker 1: She had been sex assaulted.

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Speaker 1: Her daughter to bed with her living lover.

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Speaker 2: Oh excuse me, he alternated between the Soto home and

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Speaker 1: What was he just living down in the basement.

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Speaker 2: There anyway, so much suspicion around the mom, as we're

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Speaker 2: The mom is not a person of the interest at all.

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Speaker 2: It's entirely possible the suspect her boyfriend was driving her

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Speaker 2: really interesting question to Tim Jansen joining US, high profile

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Speaker 2: Tallahassee Democrats newspaper, joining us from the Florida jurisdiction, Tim Jansen,

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Speaker 2: why do criminals go back, circle, back to the scene

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Speaker 1: I always think of Scott Peterson.

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Speaker 2: How many times did he go back and look off

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Speaker 5: Why, well, you know it's interesting. Brian Kohlberger did the

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Speaker 5: same thing after the Idaho murders. He was there the

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Speaker 5: next morning. They go either looking for their trophies, watching

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Speaker 5: see if this crime has been disclosed. So the curiosity,

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Speaker 2: I think it's the adrenaline and they want to find

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Speaker 2: out who's looking. Have I been discovered? Coburger is a

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Speaker 2: very good example. And you know what else, Jansen, the

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Speaker 2: returning to the scene. A good defense attorney like you

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Speaker 1: Tell that to a juri.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jansen, go ahead and tell the jury it means

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Speaker 2: nothing when a suspect goes back and forth to the

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Speaker 2: to me, I'm not a shrink, but it means something

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Speaker 2: to me. I'm getting off track. There's so much happening

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Speaker 2: in the Madeline Soto case right now. I've got to

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Speaker 2: get to all of it. But right now, remember we're

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Speaker 2: trying to determine who was driving Mommy's car after Maddie

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Speaker 5: She's got a device, so.

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Speaker 1: School should should should be It'll try to everybody's so calm.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to speculate on why they're so calm

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Speaker 2: when Maddie is missing. Let me go to an expert

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Speaker 2: with me. Robin Drake, behavior expert and former FBI special.

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Speaker 1: Agent Wait for it.

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Speaker 2: He was the chief of FBI Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program

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Speaker 2: and author of Sizing People Up, a veteran FBI agent's

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Speaker 2: manual for behavior prediction, and you can find him at

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Speaker 2: peopleformula dot com.

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Speaker 1: Robindrake, I told.

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Speaker 2: You about the time when I was looking for organic

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Speaker 1: My son is lost.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but that's just me, So am I projecting? Or

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Speaker 2: are these two calm as a cucumber?

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Speaker 8: No, you're absolutely right. They are way too calm as

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Speaker 8: a cucumber, as you say. And the car and who's

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Speaker 8: driving it, to me, is a smaller part of a

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Speaker 8: whole in this entire case. I'm shocked that Madeline is

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Speaker 8: I think there's gonna be a lot of tendrils that

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Speaker 8: witnesses going to be called, because I've been involved with cases.

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Speaker 2: A minute up, Robin Drake, hold on just a moment.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean you think a network is involved?

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Speaker 8: So every time you have a case like this, Nancy,

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Speaker 8: can have an uppers of two to four hundred children

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Speaker 8: who's actually involved. And so every time you see a

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Speaker 8: behavior arc of not just the individual of Sterns, but

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Speaker 9: Thirteen year old Madeline Soto murdered sexually abused by mom's boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: it's sexually abused. We're talking about does and dozens. I think, Shannon,

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Speaker 1: How many ballpark hundreds.

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Speaker 6: Hundreds, hundreds and hundreds there were videos, there were pictures.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and I think it's actually in this new data

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Speaker 2: They're literally thousands, seventeen hundred explicit sex photos of Madeline,

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Speaker 1: Where was a mommy when all this was happening?

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Speaker 2: Why do we know it's Madeline, that's the child victim

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Speaker 1: So who is that.

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Speaker 2: It's a girl, it's a child, and it's in Maddie's home,

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Speaker 2: and it Stearns who is charged now with sixty plus

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Speaker 1: He's videoing it. How many times do you use your

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Speaker 4: Stephen Stern slept with Madeleine Soto and her mother on

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Speaker 1: And that's not all. Listen.

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Speaker 2: Our Friendnicoleparton from crimeonline dot Com really said that like

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Speaker 2: No offense, no Cole Parton? But what did I just hear?

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Speaker 2: Did I just hear that? Even after Steven Sterns, the

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Speaker 1: Did I just hear that? You did?

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Speaker 2: You?

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Speaker 6: And we had even asked, like, did that woman ever

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Speaker 6: You know, at the time, I think she was just

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just I really occasionally I'm a speechless and

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Speaker 2: not a nice way to say, oh, he slept in

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Speaker 1: They had sex. That is a lie.

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Speaker 2: That's rape under the law, and we cannot turn away

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Speaker 2: from the black and white letter of the law. A

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Speaker 2: just like they can't go buy a car, or liquor

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Speaker 2: Joining me, Doctor Jury Crasin, renowned psychologist faculty Saint Leo University,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jury does any woman really need a man that badly? Really?

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Speaker 1: Just let me think about it.

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Speaker 2: My sister's avit shirt that said a man a woman

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Speaker 1: So what is a woman willing to do to keep

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Speaker 10: Okay, you see this in the pedophilia behavior numerous times,

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Speaker 10: the homicide. They have preferred ages that they're attracted to

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, I'm trying to decipher what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: doctor Joey Crausen, you're the strength, I'm just a JD.

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Speaker 2: But I think you're saying certain pedophiles go look specifically

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Speaker 10: That's correct?

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Speaker 2: how badly do you need a man? I mean, after all,

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Speaker 2: no offense to you, but what can they do that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, let me.

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Speaker 10: Address both of those. The man has that ability to

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Speaker 1: Get access to the child.

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Speaker 10: He's going to provide.

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Speaker 1: Provide what this guy didn't even work?

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Speaker 2: Did he work hold on Shannon but or did this

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's pretty much what he did a lot about games.

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Speaker 1: So what does he bring it to the table. Nothing?

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Speaker 1: Why does she need him?

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Speaker 2: Back to my question, what is wrong with these women

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Speaker 11: I've seen hundreds of those cases, and you know, even

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Speaker 10: This case is in Florida. I'm in a different judicial circuit.

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Speaker 10: But we have regularly charged mothers with failure to protect.

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Speaker 2: You know what, that's exactly the charge. That's exactly the

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Speaker 2: Mattie's mother has not been named a suspect, has not

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Speaker 1: The reason we're even talking about her right.

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Speaker 2: Now is because her car is spotted on video going

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Speaker 1: I wonder why listen from missing persons.

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Speaker 3: Detectives responded to take over the investigation, so they did

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Speaker 7: Investigators believe the female seen at seven thirty six am

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Speaker 2: I don't want to gloss over that. As we race

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Speaker 1: The walls in his cell.

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Speaker 2: We also have emails that are emerging from his mom

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Speaker 2: But to Shannon Butler joining me WFTV, I don't want

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Speaker 2: Did I get that right, Shannon Butler?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was part of his story, right. So

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Speaker 6: What he said to us and investigators is that she

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Speaker 6: It appears into his story about how he took her

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Speaker 2: Tim Jansen, criminal defense attorney, he is actually taloring a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, science technology is going to undermine the cameras that

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Speaker 5: He's a pedophile. He committed a sexual terrorism on this child.

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Speaker 1: The mother.

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Speaker 5: Certainly had to know something or see something. The apartment

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Speaker 1: Guys, what more are we learning now?

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Speaker 2: Well, for one thing, and I'm going to circle back

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Speaker 2: How that can be determined from an autopsy or if

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Speaker 2: I have never felt a full stomach, and have in

442
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Speaker 2: fact forgotten what that is like. Really, there's never time

443
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: these days when I don't feel hungry. Have you heard

444
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: of the vending machine? The sale is small and filthy. Well,

445
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 2: how was your mom's basement? You could still be living

446
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: there if you had and murdered Mattie. The mat is

447
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: flat and has very little cushion left. I bet it

448
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: was nothing compared to sleeping in the bed with Mattie.

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Speaker 2: Those are a few things you can think about Stern's

450
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Speaker 2: before you send any more emails. Shannon Butler, what is

451
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Speaker 2: this guy saying from behind bars?

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Speaker 6: You know that wasn't the first time. Right when he

453
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Speaker 6: was being transferred between jails, really early on, he first

454
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Speaker 6: started complaining about that first night that he spent in jail,

455
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 6: that he had to use the toilet paper roll as

456
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Speaker 6: his pillow. That was the beginning of his complaints. So

457
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Speaker 6: we expected when we saw his emails that he would

458
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Speaker 6: start complaining more about how the treatment is there and

459
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Speaker 6: that how it's you know, it's not so comfortable behind bars.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Robin Drake, former FBI Special Agent expert in behavioral analysis.

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Speaker 1: Robin, as soon as.

462
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Speaker 2: We finish on air, I want you to run right

463
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: down to the jail with an allergen free, puffy, bouncy

464
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Speaker 2: pillow so he can get a good night's sleep. What

465
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Speaker 2: he can't sleep because of his pillow. He shouldn't be

466
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Speaker 2: able to sleep because Maddie is dead and he's whining

467
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Speaker 2: about his pillow. You know, this isn't the first time, Drake,

468
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: that I've seen a murder of defendants and later convicted

469
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Speaker 2: whine about their pillow, the dude, their diet, their amount

470
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Speaker 2: of exercise. He's charged with a murder, and in my mind,

471
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Speaker 2: a lot fewer sex charges than are established, because if

472
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: I've got two thousand, two, nearly two thousand photos and

473
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Speaker 2: videos and most of them of this little girl on

474
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Speaker 2: his phone, he needs to be charged with every single

475
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Speaker 2: one of them, and when he's convicted, they all need

476
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Speaker 2: to run consecutively there and he's talking about its pillow drake.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And I also don't think it's going to be

478
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Speaker 8: the only person they'd find.

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Speaker 1: He's done this too.

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Speaker 8: You don't go from zero to one hundred in this

481
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Speaker 8: kind of case, because he's going to have a track

482
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Speaker 8: record established of this. He's got a lifetime pattern of

483
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Speaker 8: self centeredness.

484
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Speaker 1: And me me.

485
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Speaker 9: Me, all his primal urges and despicable behaviors.

486
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Speaker 1: I've obviously been placated for such a.

487
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Speaker 8: Long time that he's got a level of expectation that

488
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Speaker 8: the world will continue to service him, and it just

489
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 8: leaks out of him at every single turn. And so

490
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Speaker 8: that's what we're seeing in the jailhouse, that's what we're

491
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Speaker 8: seeing in all these communications. And he's completely shocked that

492
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Speaker 8: he doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: What about this?

494
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Speaker 2: Do you see a pattern of behavior of getting taken

495
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Speaker 2: care of and whining and expecting everything to be handed

496
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Speaker 2: to you. I mean, he's still technically even though he's

497
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Speaker 2: living with Madeline Soto's mother and their apartment which a

498
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: lot of people thought this was a home, it's an apartment,

499
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: which makes it much smaller. My point is, how could

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00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: she not know what was happening. He's living with her,

501
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: and he's living with his mother, He's not working.

502
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Speaker 1: What is he doing?

503
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Speaker 2: Everyone is giving him a place to stay, food to eat.

504
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how he made his car payment. Maybe

505
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Speaker 2: mommy made the payment for him. But now same thing,

506
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: same behavior carrying over behind bars wine wine wine.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you hit it exactly right now, Nancy. It is

508
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 8: his lifetime behavior pattern, behavior arc of complete self centeredness

509
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 8: and narcissism, and it plays out in everything, and even

510
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 8: with his girlfriend that he had dated briefly. He's testing

511
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 8: that water by saying, hey, I slept and had an

512
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Speaker 8: erection with this little girl. You know, I think that's

513
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Speaker 8: a test to say, hey, could I manipulate you into

514
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Speaker 8: my circle? Because she's aging now. I mean It's a

515
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 8: lot of conjecture in my part, I know. But at

516
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 8: the same time, though this is what he does to

517
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 8: his entire environment. He manipulates it for his own gain,

518
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 8: and he's got such lifetime reps out as it. He

519
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 8: looks completely fluid and natural doing it, because this isn't

520
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Speaker 8: his first time in life or is his first rodeo

521
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Speaker 8: doing this.

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Speaker 9: The state seeks the death penalty for Stephen Stearns in

523
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Speaker 9: Madeleine Soto's murder case.

524
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Speaker 1: Is that a surprise?

525
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Speaker 2: With two thousand explicit videos, many the majority stand of

526
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: Stephen Stern's performing sex acts on a child that lives

527
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Speaker 2: in Maddie Soto's home, is anybody surprised that Florida is

528
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: seeking the death penalty? I'm not, But to doctor Eric Eson,

529
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Speaker 2: doctor Eric Esen is a renowned board certified forensic pathologist,

530
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: a consultant doctor Eson, we know that her body was

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Speaker 2: discarded out of the open, but in an obscure area,

532
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Speaker 2: which is not hard to find in Florida. There's a

533
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: lot of untamed land swamps inlets in Florida. How can

534
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Speaker 2: a medical examiner tell if this was the first time

535
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Speaker 2: Madeline had been raped or not? And with her body

536
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: lying out in the elements for several days, would that

537
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Speaker 2: preclude such a determination?

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Speaker 12: Well, that's going to make it tough. If the body's

539
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 12: been there for a couple of days and in the

540
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 12: heat in Florida, you're going to have the evidence of decomposition,

541
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Speaker 12: which is going to obscure some of the findings that

542
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 12: you're going to have an autopsy. But during the autopsy,

543
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 12: we're going to determine the cause of death, but also

544
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 12: assess for evidence of sexual assault, and so evidence of

545
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 12: the acute sexual assault would occur when the swabs are

546
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Speaker 12: placed in the various orifices to check for a DNA

547
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 12: that's there to compare from the DNA from the suspect.

548
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: Please do not say that, doctor Ason. We don't all

549
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: have medical degrees like you do. When you say they're

550
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: going to put swab, they're going to swab Maddie's orifices.

551
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Speaker 2: You are talking about euphemistically describing her mouth, her vagina,

552
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: and her ainus to see if she was right.

553
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Speaker 1: Told on Shannon Butler WFTV, how long do we.

554
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: Think that Maddie was lying out in the elements before

555
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Speaker 2: her body was found?

556
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Speaker 1: How many deaths I think it was five days.

557
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Speaker 2: Okay, I thought it was four, but let's go with five,

558
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: dodger Ason, how would five days down the elements affect

559
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Speaker 2: the determination of internal orifices such as vagina or anus.

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Speaker 12: I mean you can still insert the swabs and collect

561
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Speaker 12: any evidence. As time goes on further, it's going to

562
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 12: be less have less of an ability to collect that.

563
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Speaker 12: I think you're also asking about remote sexual assault and

564
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Speaker 12: that's going to be very tough to determine after five

565
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 12: days out in the elements like this, Can I.

566
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Speaker 2: Just boil it down, dodger asen in a rape kit,

567
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Speaker 2: I know that if there is vagual tearing, if there

568
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: is bleeding inside the vagina or the anus, that may suggest.

569
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Speaker 1: A recent rape.

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Speaker 6: That's right.

571
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Speaker 1: How would you be.

572
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Speaker 2: Able to tell, if her body have been found immediately

573
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Speaker 2: whether she had been raped in the past.

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Speaker 12: Well, you look for evidence of old bruising or old abrasions.

575
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 12: When bruises start to age, the color will change, and

576
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 12: so if you find evidence of a yellow and a bruise,

577
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 12: that indicates the bruise is older as compared to any

578
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 12: cute bruise, So you can check for that. That's definitely

579
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Speaker 12: one way to check for like an older type sexual.

580
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Speaker 2: Assault, so we may not be able to tell from

581
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: her body that she had endured molestation for years if

582
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Speaker 2: it weren't for this idiot phone that reveals these thousands

583
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Speaker 2: of photos. To Shannon Butler WFTV nine, I want you

584
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Speaker 2: to listen to this emails between the murder suspect and

585
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Speaker 2: his mother in which she suggests someone else, a female,

586
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Speaker 2: is involved.

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Speaker 7: Listen, Stern's mother is saying things like quote, we all

588
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 7: know Blank was heavily involved in this, and I am

589
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Speaker 7: disgusted that she's free and you or not when this

590
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 7: is not all your fault. You need to think about

591
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 7: yourself more and her less. She'sure isn't thinking of you

592
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 7: and how she can help you right now that whole

593
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 7: family is willing to stay quiet and let you take

594
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Speaker 7: the fall for everything.

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Speaker 1: Shelon Butler WFTV nine, what well.

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Speaker 6: I think that we expected some of this from his

597
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 6: family members, that they would start putting some of the

598
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 6: eyes back on Jen Soto. What we didn't know is

599
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 6: if he had told them something that we didn't. We

600
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 6: didn't know yet about if she was involved, or if

601
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 6: she wasn't involved, or if they're just doing this as

602
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 6: the show right. Everybody knows these things become public and

603
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 6: that everybody would be able to see what they were saying.

604
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 6: But this was not a surprise to any of us

605
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 6: who have been working this story that the family would

606
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 6: start to raise some questions about Jen Soto and if

607
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 6: he was taking the fall for her.

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00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 7: Search for Madaline Soto is ongoing. Investigators ask if they

609
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 7: can take a look at Stephan Stern's phone. Sterns then

610
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 7: informs the detectives he accidentally performed a factory reset on

611
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 7: the phone the same day Maddy went missing. A factory

612
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 7: reset can't be done on accident, has to be delivered

613
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 7: as it requires multiple steps by the user to ensure

614
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 7: that it doesn't happen by accident. Thousands of images, sexual photos,

615
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 7: and videos, mostly of Madeline, were recovered and led to

616
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 7: the sixty additional charges against Stephan sterns.

617
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Speaker 2: Over sixty charges, but over nineteen hundred explicit videos and photos.

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Speaker 2: I want to find out something else, she hanon Butler

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Speaker 2: or VESI has a reporter WFTV nine. This is an apartment,

620
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Speaker 2: not a home as many people thought.

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Speaker 1: So how big is the apartment?

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to gauge what was going on and what

623
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: the mom should have known.

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Speaker 1: Do you know, Well, it's not very big.

625
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 6: It's kind of like a townhouse, so that there's an

626
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 6: upstairs and a downstairs. But there were other people, Like

627
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 6: the night of her disappearance or murder, there were other

628
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 6: people in the home. But there was you know, there

629
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Speaker 6: was a there was bedrooms upstairs, but there was also

630
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Speaker 6: some kind of makeshift kind of bedroom that was kind

631
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Speaker 6: of cordoned off downstairs. And there was a lot of

632
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 6: question about if that's where you know, Madeline was sometimes laying.

633
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Speaker 6: So the home is very small. If you're talking about

634
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Speaker 6: what could you hear or not hear in some kind

635
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 6: of house, it is it is fairly small. I mean

636
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Speaker 6: it's an average town hall. You know.

637
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you something else before we sign off.

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Speaker 2: It's my understanding that Maddie's friends tell police that Maddie

639
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: was constantly being texted and called by Stern. Stephan Stern,

640
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: the boyfriend back to Robin Drake, that's textbook.

641
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Speaker 1: It's classic.

642
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: I trust my children, but when I see them on

643
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 2: the phone all the time or they're on a video

644
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: all the time, I got.

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00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: Who you're talking to? Who's that?

646
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: Don't you think it's odd nobody wondered why the boyfriend

647
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: was constantly calling this little girl and texting her.

648
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Speaker 8: Yeah, constantly isolating her, controlling her environment. That's what these

649
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 8: horrible sexual predators do. And that's exactly what he was

650
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 8: doing Maddie the entire time.

651
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Speaker 3: You know.

652
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Speaker 8: And as for the mother making those comments via text

653
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 8: too or in an email, I don't care what it is.

654
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Speaker 8: You know, as an investigator, put my investigator hat on

655
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 8: for a second. If you're opening your mouth like that,

656
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Speaker 8: I'm now looking.

657
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Speaker 1: At you too.

658
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Speaker 8: So I think this is a network of really important

659
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Speaker 8: behavior by a lot of people, and he just happens

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Speaker 8: to be to point to the spirit we're going to

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Speaker 8: take down first, and I think we're going to save

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Speaker 8: a lot of people in this one.

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Jorey Craulsen, renowned psychologists joining US faculty Saint Leo University.

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Speaker 2: Another thing is I noticed that Stefan Stern states that

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Speaker 2: he was the one who would comfort little Maddie when

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Speaker 2: she would get into an art argument with her mom. Okay,

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Speaker 2: there you go, coming between the child and her parent.

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Speaker 1: That's text book, doctor Jory. Yes, it is.

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Speaker 10: It's that dependent personnelity pality that on the mother. I mean,

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Speaker 10: she's very dependent. Also, you can see that relationship in

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Speaker 10: the dynamics where she readily turns anything over to him.

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Speaker 10: Dealing with the daughter.

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Speaker 11: You know, it's not a good attachment in bonding, maternal bonding. There.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 2: Matti Soto case, please dial four zero seven eight four

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Speaker 2: six three three three three.

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Speaker 1: Look at your ring camera footage.

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Speaker 2: Think back on the day that this occurred, fab at

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Speaker 2: twenty six, twenty twenty four. Where were you were you

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Speaker 2: in this vicinity. Police are still putting together this case,

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Speaker 2: and as you heard Robin Drake state, it may be

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Speaker 2: more far reaching than we initially believed. But right now

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Speaker 2: there is nothing we can do for Matti Soto except

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Speaker 2: seek justice. That number four zero seven eight four six

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Speaker 2: three three three three. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,