1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: M hm okay. Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls podcast, 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: a weekly conversation about mental health, personal development, and all 3 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: the small decisions we can make to become the best 4 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: possible versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr joy hard 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: and Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more 6 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: information or to find a therapist in your area, visit 7 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: our website at Therapy for Black Girls dot com. While 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: I hope you love listening to and learning from the podcast, 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: it is not meant to be a substitute for a 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: relationship with a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks 11 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: so much for joining me for the special bonus episode 12 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: of the Therapy for Black Girls podcasts. This time I'm 13 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: joined by the other members of our production team to 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: dig into our thoughts about the ending of Insecure and 15 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: what it has meant to us as a podcast. We'll 16 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: get into the conversation right after a few words from 17 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: our sponsors. Like many of you, the members of our 18 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: production team were front and center every Sunday night to 19 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: catch the new episodes of Insecure because we were fans 20 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: of the show, but watching Insecure also became a large 21 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: part of our production process as a team, we have 22 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: a group chat where we share our reactions to the episodes. 23 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: We discussed which episodes we would recap and what topics 24 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: we wanted to delve deeper into. So not only are 25 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: we saying goodbye to the show, we're also saying goodbye 26 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: to that piece of our work together. So we wanted 27 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: to share our thoughts about what this has meant to 28 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: our work, our thoughts on the finale, and some thoughts 29 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: on the documentary that was released any the finale, detailing 30 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: more of the behind the scenes action. Here's our conversation. 31 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: Let us introduce the production teams. Many of you have 32 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: heard Cindy on the podcast because we did an episode 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: recapping like the Highlights, but we have new team members 34 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: that you may not have been introduced to. So if 35 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: everyone would share who they are, where you're located, and 36 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: your role here on the team, that'd be great. Hey, 37 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: everyone names Euise Ellis. I am the assistant podcast producer 38 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: and I'm in d C. Hey everyone, I'm Freda Lucas. 39 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm the senior producer here for the Therapy for Black 40 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: Girls podcast and I'm also located in DC and originally 41 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: from the YA area. Hey everyone, back, against Cindio, one 42 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: of the producers here for Therapy for Black Girls. Yeah, 43 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: so I think it has been really incredible for a 44 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: show like Harold and Helms by a black woman to 45 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: also have a team of black women like working on 46 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: the podcast. So of course this is what we do 47 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: every week, but I think that there has been something 48 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: very special about the Insecure episodes because we are watching 49 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: it just as a group of black women, but also 50 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: thinking about, Okay, what kind of content are we going 51 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: to create for the community related to the episodes. So 52 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: it's just been a really cool thing, I think for 53 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: the team to do, and it feels like a little 54 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: bit of a team bonding exercise as well. Yeah, I 55 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: first sure feel that because in so many ways that 56 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: reflects the different viewpoints that we're approaching it from and 57 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: like the different places in life. And so I think 58 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: that just adds to the richness of the conversation when 59 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: we're building out these episodes, because there's like a thought 60 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: or a small detail that one of us will capture 61 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: or think about that can turn into so much more. 62 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: And so I think that's also what's so fun about 63 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: Insecure is they really do crem a lot into these 64 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: like short episodes when you go back and watch them 65 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: over and over again. So that's been just a really 66 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: great experience. When I began in November of this year, 67 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the first podcast episode we worked on 68 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: all together as a team was one of our Insecure episodes. 69 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: And I can't think of a better way to be 70 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: introduced to working on a podcast to support black women 71 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: and the development and growth of black women than by 72 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: working on a podcast episode specifically about a show that 73 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: has really assisted me in developing as a black woman. 74 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: And it's just been so fun, y'all. I think in 75 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: Scare started five years ago, something that I've been on 76 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: Twitter talking about for five years. Getting to like actually 77 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: work on it in a professional capacity or work on 78 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 1: something related to it is really fun. And it's interesting 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: because we think that TV isn't important, can be seen 80 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: as frivolous, but a lot of important life moments are 81 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: reflected on the TV show. So to have that talked 82 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: about in a mental health context with two professionals and 83 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: being able to work on that, I think it's really important. 84 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: Sometimes we don't know how to process things that we 85 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: see in entertainment, So I'm glad I got to work 86 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: on the show that kind of helped people process what 87 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: went on on Insecure. Very good points from all of you. So, 88 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: as fans of the show, tell me how you are 89 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: feeling less than twenty four hours post series finale. Did 90 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: all of your hopes and dreams come true? What were 91 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: your thoughts on the finale? This is a hard one 92 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: to be honest, just because for me, I don't think 93 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: I expected anything except I just want everyone to be 94 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: where they want to be. That's kind of been my 95 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: whole approach to like season five, which I know in 96 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: some places was slow for people or like they're like, 97 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: I just don't understand what this episode has to do 98 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: with But for me, I was like, I think it's 99 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: kind of like boring quote unquote, because we're watching a 100 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: bunch of people who have kind of learned how to 101 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: process through drama, and at least for me, I found 102 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: as I've gotten older, there's a lot less drama and 103 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: like your friend groups, like think that's just through maturing, 104 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: through like people going to therapy and like figuring out 105 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: where they can be better and communicate better and offer 106 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: a little bit better. So it's kind of for me 107 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: fun to kind of watch that process through, and I 108 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: just think that it's wild how much they crammed into 109 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: the last episode, but it it had this like weird 110 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: pacing that felt the same way that like time moves. 111 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: So I just thought that was cool. I really love 112 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: what you said, Cindy about things being less messy and 113 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: they're being less drama. What I enjoyed about the season 114 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: finale and the show as a whole is it represents 115 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: what can happen when you decide that you're not going 116 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: to be an all or nothing person. You're more so 117 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: going to be someone who really evaluates what's going to 118 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: make you the happiest. And when you communicate that clearly 119 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: with other people and consistently, they're generally pretty joyous for you. 120 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that Nathan came Tosa's birthday party. There's 121 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: no beef there. I really enjoyed that Lawrence was still 122 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: open to picking up her phone call. I really enjoyed 123 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: the idea that what if no one truly is rooting 124 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: against you, would if actually everyone is really wanting you 125 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: to succeed and prevail and be prosperous and be happy, 126 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: as opposed to what sometimes I think in my own 127 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: head which is, oh, they're already mad at me, or 128 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: they don't want to hear from me, or what instead? 129 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: If everything really was going to be okay? And I 130 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: think the season finale was very comforting for me in 131 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: that affirmation for my life that oh, actually, maybe everything 132 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: could actually really be okay, and that my life is 133 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: more of a fairy tale than you know, a drama series. 134 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: It might actually be something really spectacularly wonderful. I like 135 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: what Frieda said, what if everything is going to be okay? 136 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: I think some of the biggest shift I saw from 137 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: season one to now with both Molly and Issa was 138 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: some of that apprehension they had when going after what 139 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: they wanted. They were both super overthinkers when it came 140 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: to dating, especially for Molly, but Issa with career stuff, 141 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: they were asking a lot of questions. I think in 142 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: the last two episodes, especially the one with the dream 143 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: Escape episode, we saw Issa just kind of win career decisions. 144 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: But it was nice to see, like, Okay, so she 145 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: went after doing the blow cc the block and it 146 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: worked out for her, and that was really great to see. Yeah, 147 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: she had fears and hesitations, but I don't think she 148 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: was always second guessing herself. She was affirming herself a 149 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: lot more, and the same with Molly to see her 150 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: get married in the end and to see her be 151 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: with Torreon. I think a lot of the men she 152 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: dated before she had a lot of questions about them 153 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: and never like spoke up about it, or she would 154 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: do like weird things to try to maneuver the relationship. 155 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: But it was nice to see, Okay, these things worked 156 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: out for both of them because they kind of went 157 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: after it a little more aggressively, and so I was 158 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: really just proud of both of them for their growth 159 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: in the end. And it was definitely bitter sweet because 160 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: I have questions like how did really end up with 161 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: Lawrence and x y Z, But I think they were 162 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: able to put a nice bowl in the episode without 163 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: leaving too many questions. I was happy about that. Oh, 164 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: you bring up a good point, Alie. So what would 165 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: you have liked to see in the finale or maybe 166 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: in this final season that we didn't see? So the 167 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: first thing that stood out to me was obviously no 168 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: one wanted Molly's mom to die, but I wanted to 169 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: see how like that would have played out a little longer, 170 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: maybe across like an episode or two, or even if 171 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: it happened in the last episode, and then we might 172 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: have saw like a funeral. I think how people deal 173 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: with death, especially as an adult, like especially when your 174 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: parent dies, and how that affects your entire community. I 175 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: think it would have been really impactful to see that. 176 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: And then I had a big question mark where was Condola, 177 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I just felt like we needed 178 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: to see her one more time because she was just 179 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: a big part of East and Lawrence's story, and also 180 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: East the story from which she did her first event, 181 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: so kind of seeing like where is their relationship now? 182 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: And I had a lot of questions on is Tiffany okay? 183 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: Like she obviously didn't like Colorado, and so I was 184 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: definitely left with a few question marks about that. I 185 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: agree with a lot of those, just in thinking about 186 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: like my own experiences with when a friend loses their parents, 187 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: I think seeing what that grieving process looks like and 188 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: how it is unique in the ways that you as 189 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: a friend approached that or as the person who has 190 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: lost their parents, like how are you processing and like 191 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: what are you requesting and what do you need? I 192 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: feel like it's something that will all eventually potentially experience 193 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: and and I think like seeing what that process looks 194 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: like would have been really just like interesting to explore 195 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: because as so central to this has been the ways 196 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: that they show up for each other, like Issa and 197 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: Molly and and us seeing these celebratory moments, like I 198 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: also kind of wish we also got to see that 199 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: in some of their other points of friction or lost 200 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: and I feel like Tiffany's like story could have been 201 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: more developed. But like when we think about the fact that, 202 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: like Issa and Molly are really like the core soulmate 203 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: relationship that we've just been following, like I kind of 204 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: understand us not exploring that as much, because when I 205 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: think about it, I don't think Tiffany and Issa are 206 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: ultimately that close as like we kind of see over 207 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: the season's even with the comments that she made in 208 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: her going away party, you're just like, okay, like she 209 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: loves Issa, but she just kind of still has like 210 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: a little bit of awkwardness with her, And I think 211 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: like that vulnerability isn't always like fully explored between the 212 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: two of them, So I think that could have been 213 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: another interesting moment to like add is I think it 214 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: was the are seen after Coachella between Tiffany and Issa, 215 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: where you saw a new kind of like intimacy between 216 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: the two of them. I think we could have seen 217 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: something like that in the finale. So for me, nothing 218 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: was missing from the finale. But the one thing that 219 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: I need from the Insecure universe is a style guide 220 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: on every outfit from the season finale, every single one. 221 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: We're so good. I specifically want the outfit that Lisa 222 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: war to her surprise birthday party. So you have an 223 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: outfit and an occasion in mine, it sounds like for 224 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: you to were you ready to wear the outfit? One percent? Absolutely? 225 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: Oh So. I think for me what I would have 226 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: loved to see, not necessarily in this season finale, but 227 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: this entire season. I would have really loved to see 228 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: more about how Easa and Molly found their way back 229 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: to one another. So I think we saw in the 230 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: season opener that, you know, it still felt a little 231 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: awkward for them, but they were trying to like work 232 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: on rebuilding their friendship, and we just never saw a 233 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: lot of that. And I know they have to make 234 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: tough choices about what's they include and what moves the 235 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: story forward, but selfishly, that is what I was most 236 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: interested in. So that's what I would have loved to 237 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: see more of this season. More from our conversation after 238 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: the break, I have a question for the group, So, 239 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: how do you process when life feels like it is 240 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: a montage and you're like, Wow, where has the time been? 241 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: Where has my life gone? I say that because of 242 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: the series of birthdays and celebrations we saw in the 243 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: final episode. It's just a strong reminder that whole life 244 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: is actually moving very fast. And how do I live 245 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: in my life and be present but also be aware 246 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: of the fact that it is flying by me? I'm 247 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: the odist. I don't know how to process that. For me. 248 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: I was like, sometimes that is how you like chart time, 249 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: and sometimes you are just going and doing and the 250 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: next thing you know, it's like, Oh, it's this person's birthday. 251 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: And so in a lot of ways, I'm like, oh, yeah, 252 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: this is why people journal, So you can like really 253 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: go back and revisit those like gaps in time like 254 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: from all the doing and and like really get to 255 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: see that in front of you. So I think that's 256 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: potentially one way to figure out a system for yourself 257 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: to mark time and reflect. But yeah, like it really 258 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: does move to celebration, which is like sometimes the thing 259 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: that's really beautiful about life in between those things, like 260 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: I would assume that there are like small intimate moments 261 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: that we're not getting because sometimes it is the highlight reel. 262 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: I think that that's something that's been really difficult, especially 263 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: in the pandemic. And I know we've heard people talk 264 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: about like how time feels so warped. It feels really 265 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: hard to like mor time anymore, like especially right now 266 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: when people are sharing this thing that happened in Jane 267 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: where and you're like, that was this year, right, And 268 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: so you know, I think that's something to pay attention to, 269 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: especially in the pandemic, when so much feels like not 270 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: anchored to any point in time, and so like to 271 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: send these point I think journaling can be a great 272 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: way to help you to stay more focused on the 273 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: present moment. And again, journaling doesn't have to be you know, 274 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: as we talked about in the episode a couple of 275 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: weeks ago, just like grant exercise, right, it can really 276 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: just be a daily accounting of what happened and what 277 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: are you reflecting on for the day that can really 278 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: help you to stay more present focused and this is 279 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: like kind of random, but I will always sometimes wrought 280 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: us to astrology because here we are. But but I 281 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: also find it really interesting that like the show itself 282 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: is such a great representation of your Saturn return because, 283 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: like I think back to the first episode we were 284 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: solid braiding Issa's twenty nine birthday, which I think it's 285 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: like twenty seven to twenty nine and a half or so, 286 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: is usually like you're sad in return, and it's like 287 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: often filled with so many changes, and sometimes things like 288 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: move really fast, and like sometimes things are like moving 289 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: really slow, but ultimately it's a test of how you 290 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: essentially want to set yourself up to be as an adult. 291 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: Like the finale for me felt really gratifying in the 292 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: sense that those couple years or so of when everything 293 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: is kind of like in flux, you're not sure anymore, 294 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: is this sleep of faith gonna work? Is this hard 295 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: pivot gonna work? And then everything does fall into the 296 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: place that it needs to be and you get to 297 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: step into this more assured place, which I think is 298 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: really cool. I think that's also in some ways is 299 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: why I think so many people resonate with it too, 300 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: because I think for when it started, so many of 301 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: us were a pro during that time period, or just 302 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: having finished it and seeing all the different ways that 303 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: in the regular nous of it, you're like, oh yeah, 304 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: that was significant, or like, oh yeah, like if I 305 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: were in that situation, I would do this differently and potentially, 306 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: And so I just wanted to kind of call that 307 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: out because like Girlfriends also started similarly, like Jones twenty 308 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: nine birthday, and you just think about all the changes 309 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: that also happened for the women in that series, and 310 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: I just think that there's something to be sad about 311 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: that time period and like how it ends up resonating 312 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: so well for a culture and for folks when they 313 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: go back and watch it. I think the other thing 314 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: that would be interesting to kind of think about is 315 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: did you have a favorite episode of the entire show? 316 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: Not just this season, but of the entire show. I 317 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: think there are a few episodes that I go back to, 318 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: so I think it's season two, episode eight is Derek's 319 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: birthday party, and I think that is an interesting episode 320 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: because East and Lawrence had this fight at the end, 321 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: and it's just a lot like it's messy, it's kind 322 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: of funny, but it shows you all the stuff that 323 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: they never actually talked about in their relationship that frustrated 324 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: them with each other. And so I think that episode 325 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: is really good to look at if you want to 326 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: think about the growth in their relationship or how they 327 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: almost didn't grow. But even when Easa kind of broke 328 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: up with Lawrence, I felt like the conversation was just 329 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: very short. And I think that conversation that they had 330 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: in season two, or that argument, it was exciting to 331 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: see because it's like, Okay, you guys are finally really 332 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: talking to each other instead of tiptoeing around your feelings, 333 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: and so I always think about that. And then of 334 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: course the Coachella episode was great. Any episode where there 335 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: was a party, so like Coachella Kissing Grind that was 336 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: also in season two. I really enjoyed those episodes. I 337 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: think they were shot beautifully. And then there's the episode 338 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: where East and Lawrence they go on a date and 339 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: they go like go to some restaurants. She sees like 340 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: the t s a guy that she was messing with, 341 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: and it's just shot really beautiful. But I think it's 342 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: another episode where we see Eastern Lawrens have like a 343 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: quote unquote real conversation which I think they really didn't 344 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: have a lot of times over the show, but when 345 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: they did, it was like very impactful to their relationship 346 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: and moved it forward. So I enjoyed those Those are 347 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: good choices, anybody else have different ones. I wouldn't say 348 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: this is a favorite episode, but I just very strongly 349 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: remember hearing us say out loud to someone, Oh, I 350 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: don't really Molly like that anymore. And now in the 351 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: most recent season finale, see Issa assists Molly with taking 352 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: off her wedding dress. It makes me very emotional because 353 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: to me, my favorite storyline has continued to be their friendship, 354 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: and I think watching the season finale, I'll have to 355 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: add the season finale is one of my favorite episodes 356 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: in the series because it has instilled in me I 357 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: would really like to be able to go through the 358 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: rest of my life without losing such a close friend. 359 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: And I think I now understand the gravity of the 360 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: beautifulness that you can lose out on by not choosing 361 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: to work on your friendships as much as you may 362 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: work on your romantic partnerships. That's a beautiful takeaway. Oh 363 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: that's so much. Yeah, I'm having a hard time picking 364 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: a favorite episode, and like, similarly to what Frieda was saying, 365 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: it's really for me, like the girl friendships that have 366 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: really kept me here when I think about it, because 367 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: at least for me personally, like those are often like 368 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: my most important relationships. And yes, I have romantic partners 369 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: and all of that, but when I really really sit 370 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: down and think about it, sisterhood has been a central 371 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: and like deep focus for me personally, and honestly, like 372 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: that whole dress scene, I wasn't shambles because you know 373 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: episode one, they weren't the nicest friends to each other. 374 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: When I just think about broken Puppy, and I love 375 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: that for a circle moment because I was like the 376 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: redemption needed to happen. But like to know that you 377 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: can go from a place like yeah, I don't put 378 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: that person anymore and then come back like I just 379 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: think that's really beautiful. I think Coachella was one of 380 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: the episodes that stood out for me, but like, I 381 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: really do love all the episodes for like their own 382 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: unique thing. And I'm the worst person for that because 383 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm never able to choose in that way because I 384 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: have just an appreciation for like the uniqueness of everything. 385 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think at least picks my list as well. 386 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: So I also really love the Coachella episode and the 387 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: low key happy episode where we saw her and Lawrence 388 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 1: on that date last season and you know, trying to 389 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: flirt with the idea of whether they were going to 390 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: try to find their way back to one another. I 391 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,239 Speaker 1: also think the Waiting to Exhale is what I call 392 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: it episode from this season became a favorite because it 393 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: just felt like just those like very regular but so 394 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: meaningful nights you have with your girls and you just 395 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: kicked back at somebody's house and like singing songs and 396 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: being silly. I just really appreciated seeing that, Yeah, those 397 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: are always my like go to once when they're all 398 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: together just being friends. More from our conversation after the break. 399 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: So in addition to the finale, we also got a 400 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: beautiful documentary directed by James Bland that captured lots of 401 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: behind the scenes action of this final season. Who were 402 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: your thoughts on that? For me, as like a behind 403 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: the scenes person, I love the documentary and like, I 404 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: just think that it really jelled together certain things. This 405 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: is also just like a random, like moment that I 406 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: had just picked out and like, thinking back to Molly's 407 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: wedding in particular, and that song that was playing feels 408 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: good and it reminded me of Loving Basketball. I'm pretty 409 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: sure it's the ending song when like Quincy's on the 410 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: sideline with Monica's kid and everything and they're just like 411 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: they're getting played out or whatever. And so that playing 412 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,959 Speaker 1: while like Issa and Lawrence were like together in frame 413 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: also for me was like, I know, a lot of 414 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: people are kind of like, why would they get back 415 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: together like that? That Love and Basketball kind of like 416 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: moment because I mean, in some ways, when you think 417 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: back on it, Quincy wasn't the greatest, but I love 418 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: that movie and hearing that that was one of the 419 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: movies that really inspired Lisa to go into film in 420 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: the first place was really cool. So like those homages 421 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: to those that came for her in Black Hollywood is 422 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: like just really cool to see. And so I feel 423 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: like for the documentary, like you got to see a 424 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: lot of that too, from the fact that they're writer's room, 425 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: like everyone's going on to do all these like really 426 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: cool and amazing things and like the deep mentorship and 427 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: like opportunities it's created for black folks. And when I 428 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: just think about it's like kind of filling that gap 429 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: that like when up N and the WB merged and 430 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: created the CW and we've lost a lot of those shows, 431 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: and like when you go back and look at some 432 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: of those credits and seeing like Apprentice has some credits 433 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: for girlfriends and to know that the impact of the 434 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: way that Mara would build her writer's rooms and create 435 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: her shows is kind of having this like next generation 436 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: ripple effect is also just really cool. And just want 437 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: to just shut out Vickie Thomas. She's the casting director 438 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: and honestly, I feel like she clearly kills it because 439 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: every single time we look at the screen and just like, 440 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: who is that there? So talented, fine, amazing, and it's 441 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: just yeah, like you don't get to see that a 442 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: lot when you think about like casting, especially taking the 443 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: chance on the unknown, and so yeah, they're just like 444 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: so many behind the schemes moments and creators and artists 445 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: that I just feel like this has created a new 446 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: lane for Yeah. I definitely appreciated seeing the documentary too, 447 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: because it did bring like all of these like loose ends, 448 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: I think from the behind the scenes part together and 449 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: I appreciated that the team would be live tweeting so often, right, 450 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: you know, because I think for a lot of shows, 451 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: you don't get that like behind the scenes input about 452 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: like why they shot a scene the way they did 453 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: or what was the intention of making this choice versus 454 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: something else, And so I think that that also let 455 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: people into the world in a way that we don't 456 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: see a lot of other shows do. So I think, 457 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: you know, the documentary, but also their presence on Twitter 458 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 1: and on socials was really impactful in some ways just 459 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: for the behind the scenes stuff. Oh yeah, absolutely, decisions 460 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: are made, and I think it's also cool how much 461 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: they support each other and come together standing behind the 462 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: decisions or sharing kind of like the insights that were 463 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: like why would you do that? And they're like here 464 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: all the reasons why and you're like, okay, fine, you 465 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: made some point. But it's definitely gonna be missed and 466 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: like a huge absence when I think about like what 467 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: am I supposed to do with myself on Sunday? I 468 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 1: know we need something else now. Just to touch on 469 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: what Cindy said, I do like how a lot of 470 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: people behind the scenes of the show, we're open about 471 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: the process and like she said, why they shot different things. 472 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: I go back and forth personally, is that annoying? Do 473 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: I want the work to speak for itself? But I 474 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: do think for like modern television, all of the stuff 475 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: we saw on Insecure was just unprecedented, even if you 476 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: talk about like the designers that they used in the show, 477 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: and so I'm glad to see, Okay, we wanted to 478 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: support x y Z designer Frida said earlier she wants 479 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: every look that was in the series finale, and I 480 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: know we're probably gonna get something like that. But I 481 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: just loved hearing about like the music and how artists 482 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: would like tweet like, oh I'm a insecured tonight. I 483 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: always thought that was so fun. And of course every show, 484 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: like all the details are important, but I think Insecure 485 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: wanted to be not just a big TV moment, but 486 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: a big, like cultural moment. I think you could see 487 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: that across the board through the music, in the fashion. 488 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: So I'm glad that a lot of people behind the 489 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: scenes are so passionate about the show that they worked on, 490 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: because I think it made the experience better for me 491 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: as a viewer. And I think that's something else they 492 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: shared in the documentary is just the longevity of the 493 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: Writer's room. They had been together for some time. I 494 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: think the first three seasons of writers were the same, 495 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: and then they got new people and they were with 496 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: them for the final two, you know. So it feels 497 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: like there was just a lot of like cohesiveness amongst 498 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: the team, which I think we then ended up seeing 499 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: on the screen. Yeah, and that's huge and also pretty rare. 500 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: As you can tell, we're gonna miss Insecure, both as 501 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: a show and also as a touch point for our team. 502 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: We already have our eyes open for the next shows 503 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: we'll be able to dig into. And I have spent 504 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: a lot of time over this break watching a lot 505 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: of good stuff. If you're looking for some new things 506 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: to add to your watch list, might I suggest Harlem 507 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: and With Love from Amazon Prime, Love Life especially season two, 508 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: and Southside on HBO Max and Selling Tampa, Emily in 509 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: Paris and How To Ruin Christmas on Netflix? What are 510 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: you watching? Are there things you've loved recently that I 511 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: should add to my list? Our shows you'd love to 512 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: hear us discuss here on the podcast. 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You 522 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 1: can join us at community dot Therapy for Black Girls 523 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: dot com. Thank you all so much for joining me 524 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: for this bonus episode. A look forward to continue in 525 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: these conversations with you all real soon. Take it care