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Speaker 1: Welcome back to this episode of d BO Joe. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my

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Speaker 2: How you doing today, Joe.

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Speaker 3: Doing great, Brother Debo. It's a great day to be

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Speaker 3: on the Debo and Joe Show. You know we got

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Speaker 3: special guests here, great friend of minees, great friend of yours.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, look here, look here, people, people,

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Speaker 1: we have a special special guest with us today. We

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Speaker 1: have former ap NFL Rookie of the Year, youngest quarterback

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Speaker 1: Its stillers all time leading past y'all passing touchdowns and

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Speaker 1: have Benjamin Todd Roethlisberger junior. Y'all call him then, I

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Speaker 1: just called him I did a government.

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Speaker 4: That's that's my son, sons junior.

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Speaker 1: I thought, sorry, I thought for sure in that year,

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Speaker 4: I thought for sure. One of those stats is gonna

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Speaker 4: be how many times I was sacked by you in college?

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Speaker 5: Hey?

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Speaker 2: I mean you can how many?

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Speaker 1: What's the most number of sacks that you were sacked

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Speaker 4: Probably you college?

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Speaker 2: How many?

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Speaker 4: Was it two?

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Speaker 2: My goodness?

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Speaker 1: Hey Joe, Joe, yes, five, Joe, say five.

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Speaker 5: Joe, you sacked him five times?

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Speaker 1: The little boy came up there to Can't State University,

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Speaker 3: See, Ben, I'm not I'm going to see you signed.

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Speaker 3: You didn't sign up for this. I just walked into

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Speaker 4: Joe, Can I tell Can I tell him? Allowed to

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Speaker 4: And so leading up to that game, it's a true story.

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Speaker 4: So there's the story and that he did he got me,

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Speaker 4: him into it. You have a team. I was blessed

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Speaker 4: to come to a team that was already established, veteran line,

437
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Speaker 4: veteran offense, veteran defense, great defense, and it really was

438
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Speaker 4: just about let's plug a quarterback in. And I was

439
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Speaker 4: able to get plugged in and play. And so again,

440
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Speaker 4: I know I just gave you all a bunch, but

441
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Speaker 4: I think that Aaron. I think my deep down, I

442
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Speaker 4: feel like Aaron's gonna play. I mean, they're they're surrounding him,

443
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Speaker 4: they're giving him some great weapons. I think the McCarthy factor.

444
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Speaker 4: I know there's been some reports of them like button

445
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Speaker 4: heads in the past, but I think they've made up

446
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Speaker 4: so I don't I don't know the true they're what's

447
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Speaker 4: going on there, but I would, deep down, I feel

448
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Speaker 4: like Aaron's going to come back. I would hope that

449
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Speaker 4: he would let them know by the draft, just for

450
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Speaker 4: the simple fact that if you want to grab a

451
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Speaker 4: guy late round, but anytime you can have a Hall

452
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Speaker 4: of Fame guy on your team, I think it's important

453
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Speaker 4: for the leadership and for what he can do. Saw

454
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Speaker 4: you saw times last year when he kind of just

455
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Speaker 4: took over. It felt like, you know what this is,

456
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Speaker 4: this like I'm listen, here, we go, let me call

457
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Speaker 4: this blah blah blah, and it felt like they were

458
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Speaker 4: driving and doing things. So just with his familiarity with

459
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Speaker 4: this offense, I feel like it's a smart thing to do.

460
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Speaker 4: And if not, I would absolutely ride with Will Howard.

461
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Speaker 4: If if Aaron comes out today or tomorrow, whatever says

462
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Speaker 4: I'm I'm retiring. I can't see him pay anywhere else.

463
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Speaker 4: Let's say that. I think it's here in nowhere. But

464
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Speaker 4: if he decides, hey I'm done, I'm gonna go do

465
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Speaker 4: my thing whatever, I would absolutely still not draft a

466
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Speaker 4: guy in the first round. I would ride with Will

467
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Speaker 4: Howard for a couple of years, give him a chance,

468
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Speaker 4: keep building this team around him. I think the line

469
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Speaker 4: I would go line first, O line first in the draft,

470
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Speaker 4: get aligne to just get a guard into your guy,

471
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Speaker 4: and I would just absolutely build this team around Will Howard.

472
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Speaker 4: Right now, and if it doesn't work, guess what in

473
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Speaker 4: two years the draft is loaded with quarterbacks. Go get

474
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Speaker 4: you guys, get a guy in the first round. Because

475
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Speaker 4: it didn't work with Will, you're probably gonna be drafting Hire.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was gonna be my next question.

477
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Speaker 1: Put your put your GM, put your GM head coach

478
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Speaker 1: had had On, and who you getting with the first

479
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Speaker 1: with the first round pick? Who who would be your target?

480
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Speaker 1: Do you have somebody in mind? Do you do you

481
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Speaker 1: know if someone you said you would go offensive line?

482
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Speaker 2: Do you have somewhere?

483
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Speaker 4: I don't listen, I can't tell. I don't I don't

484
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Speaker 4: study enough to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're definitely going line.

486
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Speaker 4: Though I would I would absolutely go line. I don't

487
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Speaker 4: think you can ever have enough old lineman. Like it's

488
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Speaker 4: just too valuable because when a guy goes down, if

489
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Speaker 4: you lose that, if you lose like a legit guy,

490
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Speaker 4: you've got to go to plug him in and not

491
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Speaker 4: just a plug and play guy. What if it's for

492
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Speaker 4: the season, what if it's you know, you've got to

493
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Speaker 4: have a guy. And so I think that there's there's

494
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Speaker 4: two philosophies when you go if I have my GM

495
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Speaker 4: coach had On there's two philosophies in the draft. Okay,

496
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Speaker 4: if I know, like if I'm the GM with this team,

497
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Speaker 4: I'm saying, I want o lineman and I'm gonna pick

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Speaker 4: a linement at the twenty first pick. I'm taking the

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Speaker 4: best linem. I don't care if he's a center and

500
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Speaker 4: you have a great center, if he's a I don't

501
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Speaker 4: care what it is. I'm taking the best guy because

502
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Speaker 4: you can move things around. It's like, right now, right,

503
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Speaker 4: what's going on Roderick Jones. There's been reports of him

504
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Speaker 4: maybe not coming back, the injuries a little worse. So

505
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Speaker 4: people would say, okay, right left tackle, we got to

506
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Speaker 4: get left tackle. No, get the best lineman available. Don't

507
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Speaker 4: don't go out on a limb with the left tackle

508
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Speaker 4: that you think the best linemen and move things around. Now.

509
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Speaker 4: The second thing is always I think that there's a board,

510
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Speaker 4: right your board says, okay, we're going line first, and

511
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Speaker 4: then there's always that best available category. So what if,

512
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Speaker 4: like what if the best available at twenty one, all

513
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Speaker 4: of a sudden, you're you're number five, best available for

514
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Speaker 4: whatever reason is like a corner or something, you know,

515
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Speaker 4: Like I'm just trying to think of like a position

516
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Speaker 4: you don't necessarily need. You have to. You have to

517
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Speaker 4: take a strong look. Like, man, that's we have him

518
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Speaker 4: as the fifth best available. We got it. We might

519
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Speaker 4: have to consider, but it have to be like a

520
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Speaker 4: really high best available, not like our fifteenth best available

521
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Speaker 4: guy is an outside linebacker' Well we don't need that.

522
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Speaker 4: We got four outside backers. Let's go. So I'm going

523
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Speaker 4: line first, and I would I would consider going receiver

524
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Speaker 4: in the second round.

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Speaker 2: Personally, I ain't gonna lie.

526
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Speaker 5: Man.

527
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Speaker 2: I think I think I would go line line first.

528
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Speaker 4: And you're you're you wouldn't be wrong, you wouldn't be wrong.

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Speaker 3: I think I would be with you. I think I

530
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Speaker 3: a go line receiver. I think I will go line receiver.

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Speaker 4: The other thing is you've got a lot of draft capital.

532
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Speaker 4: You've got a lot of picks. You've got I think

533
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Speaker 4: two thirds unless again, I don't know what we've given

534
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Speaker 4: up with some of this stuff going on, but there's

535
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Speaker 4: a lot of picks available, and maybe you could get

536
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Speaker 4: to you know, get rid of some stuff and get

537
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Speaker 4: two second rounds or third and I don't know. There's

538
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Speaker 4: a lot of things that could happen. But line line

539
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Speaker 4: is not a bad movie either ever.

540
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like we can get we can

541
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Speaker 1: get better value at the old line with those those

542
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Speaker 1: first two picks that we have as far as talent.

543
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Speaker 2: Yeah, then we would you know, going.

544
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Speaker 1: Out after a receiver that made it all the way

545
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Speaker 1: down to the second round, especially.

546
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Speaker 2: What we just you know, the receivers we have and

547
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Speaker 2: what we just signed.

548
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Speaker 3: So I like the way you went about the Aaron

549
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Speaker 3: Roddy and Will Howard. I feel the same exact way.

550
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Speaker 3: If Aaron Rodgers does want to come back, I would

551
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Speaker 3: like for him to give us his decision as early

552
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Speaker 3: as possible, just so the organization could do what we

553
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 3: got to do no one moving forward.

554
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Speaker 5: But he doesn't owe nobody nothing.

555
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Speaker 3: So that's how I just look at it, like, hey,

556
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Speaker 3: rod if you want to come back, please let us

557
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: know early. But if you don't, you know what I'm saying,

558
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,479
Speaker 3: it's cool because we just to figure out what's going on.

559
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Speaker 3: Will Howard love him also and build a team if

560
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Speaker 3: you just get a good line that like you said,

561
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Speaker 3: you can run the ball. Well, you have good receivers,

562
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Speaker 3: We got good tight ends. He doesn't have to come

563
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Speaker 3: do too much. Come in there, hand the ball off,

564
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Speaker 3: you stand ahead of the sticks. You're not putting them

565
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Speaker 3: in positions where he has to go out there and

566
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Speaker 3: just create create craziness. No, he's under control, third and shorts,

567
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, slants and stuff like that.

568
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Speaker 3: So album with the building a great team because you

569
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: can just put a quarterback in there competent. You don't

570
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Speaker 3: have to go out there and be Patrick Mahomes. You

571
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Speaker 3: don't have to be out scrambling doing things crazy. Run

572
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Speaker 3: the offense, right, don't lose the game. You don't got

573
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Speaker 3: to go out there and go crazy. Don't lose it

574
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Speaker 3: for us.

575
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the same thing. Like I said, when I

576
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 4: came in, we had a great defense and we ran

577
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Speaker 4: the ball, and we ran the ball a lot. Now,

578
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Speaker 4: we had playing, we had plex, we had Hines, we

579
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Speaker 4: had rand Oil. We made our plays in the past game,

580
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Speaker 4: but that wasn't what we were predicated on. You know.

581
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 4: We went out and people came up to stop the run,

582
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Speaker 4: and that's when we hit them over the top with

583
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Speaker 4: the big boys, and that's when we used Hines doing

584
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 4: his thing and Antwoine and so you take the pressure

585
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Speaker 4: off of a young quarterback like a Will Howard if

586
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Speaker 4: you can if you need to. Again, this is all

587
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Speaker 4: depending what a wants to do. If you need to,

588
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 4: you can take all the pressure off him and just

589
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 4: let him, like you say, don't lose the game. And

590
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 4: it's not like I think quarterbacks sometimes they get frustrated

591
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 4: when you say, hey, you know, they're a game managers.

592
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Speaker 4: It's fine, it's not a bad thing to do. Listen,

593
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 4: you're running the ball, you're getting you're getting yourself in

594
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Speaker 4: a good situations, good plays, you're taking it. You're eliminating

595
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 4: the bad place. Hand the ball, handoff, handoff, handoff. Guess

596
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Speaker 4: what now we're going to throw the ball four or

597
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Speaker 4: five times a game. Look at us Indianapolis when we

598
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 4: went that first Super Bowl. We went to Indianapolis and

599
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: threw the ball the first like eight plays of the game,

600
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Speaker 4: and he wasn't ready for it. Heath Miller. Heath Miller,

601
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Speaker 4: Heath Miller, I mean, you've gotta you can do that

602
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 4: just as well too as a young guy. But you

603
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 4: got to build the line and build a team that

604
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 4: can sustain that.

605
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Speaker 3: You got to be able to get that safety to

606
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: come down when it's single hot and not just standing

607
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 3: back there too high.

608
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 4: You know what, you know what the safety comes down.

609
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Speaker 4: And then you got DK and Pittman going.

610
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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying Washington about.

611
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Speaker 1: That's the same thing I was telling him last week,

612
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Speaker 1: Like how you came in. I'm like, yo, they're they're

613
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Speaker 1: building the team right now, and then we go have

614
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, we get the quarterback, we need to plug in.

615
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, Ben came into the science situation. That's the

616
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Speaker 1: same thing I was telling everybody last week. I am

617
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Speaker 1: so glad that you went on ahead and told him

618
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Speaker 1: exactly what it was. You know what I'm saying to

619
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Speaker 1: justify that, you know your boy know what he's talking

620
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: about him for sure. I appreciate that. Look here, bruh,

621
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Speaker 1: I got another question for you. Okay, favorite receiver to

622
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Speaker 1: play with?

623
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Speaker 2: I think I know who it is.

624
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 4: My favorite receiver to play with. Was Heith Miller. Keith Miller, Okay, yes,

625
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 4: and I know he's a tight end. Heith Miller listened,

626
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 4: he was, Heath was the Heath was a guy that

627
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 4: and and listen. I could go down a list of

628
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 4: some great receivers I played with. I played with some

629
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 4: unbelievable receivers, guys that should be in the Hall of

630
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 4: fame and in Hines and I think you know, I

631
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 4: played with one of the most talented guys that I've

632
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 4: ever been around in my life in Antonio Brown. Guys

633
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 4: with amazing I mean listen, yeah, and and guys with

634
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 4: speed like Michael wall Hollis. I mean, like I've gotten

635
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 4: I've been blessed with a lot of great guys and

636
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: and one of my favorites that I play with that

637
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 4: is probably people would know about that I only played

638
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 4: with for a fear of Jericho Contrey. Jerald Contrey was

639
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: in the right place all the time, hard nos like

640
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 4: I loved playing with him. And then I mean Hines Ward,

641
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 4: I mean again the list play, I mean the list

642
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 4: goes on and on and all the juju when he

643
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 4: was you know juju early on, I mean you just

644
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 4: still going. I mean he was a stud when he

645
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: was playing early on and still still doing it. But

646
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 4: Heath Miller was different. Heith Miller was a guy that

647
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 4: you know was was when he dropped the pass, it

648
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 4: was like a record screeched right like what happened? You know,

649
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 4: he was always in the right place. Receivers are known

650
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Speaker 4: to to you know, when you come off the field,

651
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 4: remember back in the day, we used to look at

652
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 4: the pictures. We flipped through the note with the three

653
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 4: ring binder, looked at the pictures and it come off

654
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: the field and the receivers like man, I was wide open,

655
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 4: or to ask, hey, were you open? Yeah, wide open?

656
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 4: Look at the picture three guys around him, not even

657
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 4: close to open. Right. Heath Miller was the type where

658
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: I'd be like, hey, Heath, were you open? And He'd

659
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 4: be like, no, I think there was guys. And I

660
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: look at the picture known around him.

661
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, like, no, you didn't make

662
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: the not trying to blame it on you.

663
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 4: No, and and and did. If you go back and

664
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: watch like Heath Miller tape, Yeah, he made some great plays,

665
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: but it was never really flashy. It was just hard nose.

666
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 4: He run people over. He wasn't hurtling people. He wasn't

667
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 4: doing spin moves, steph far. I mean, he just did

668
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 4: the work. And he was blocking. He wasn't afraid to block.

669
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 4: He was always in the place. And I always tell

670
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: people like, listen, if I wanted to play backyard football

671
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 4: right where there's no like you're just you're just playing ball.

672
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 4: You see this guy's here. I'm I'm gonna do this.

673
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do this. Keith Miller was gonna was gonna

674
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: win because he just had the ability to just be

675
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 4: on the same page with you read things. He was

676
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 4: my comfort blanket. So I will I will take Keith

677
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 4: Miller in a game of flag football any day.

678
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 5: Respect.

679
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: Respect.

680
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: Y'all definitely went crazy because I know Heath heath for sure,

681
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 3: but I know you and like you said, I knew

682
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: uh Deebo was gonna say AB. I had to say

683
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: a B because you and A B put me through

684
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 3: the worst times.

685
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 5: AB had his route. Because that's when I came to Pittsburgh.

686
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: I was so lad though I got to practice against

687
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: you guys, because a good ball and a good route

688
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: is always going to beat great coverage.

689
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 5: And it made me.

690
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: Feel because I'm like, no, you're in the right spot,

691
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: but you were just you're gonna put the ball where

692
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: either he can catch it or nobody's going to catch it.

693
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: I couldn't get my hands on You would just put

694
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: the ball in great spots and then you're scrambling ability

695
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: to be able to extend the plays and throw people

696
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: off for you. If I'm covering the five and out

697
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: and I really think I have that five and out.

698
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 5: I'm gonna look him in a good spot.

699
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: Ben Ben's gonna throw somebody off, and AB's turning that

700
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: thing up. And that was a five out and up

701
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: and now I'm beat. So y'all made it very, very

702
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: very difficult for me. But that like the scramble drill.

703
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 4: There there was a lot of ad loving going on

704
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 4: with Ab and I and it seemed to always I mean,

705
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 4: there were there were very few times when it didn't

706
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 4: work right. When when you when you add lib and

707
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 4: it and it's and it's bad. Right, quarterback goes a throw,

708
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 4: he thinks the receiver, does the receiver turns up or

709
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: does something? Bad things happen right pt, Yeah it looks

710
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 4: really bad. Yeah, those those things were few and far

711
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 4: between with with him. For whatever reason, they just we

712
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 4: were on the same page a lot. And I mean

713
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 4: a super talented guy. One of the things I tell

714
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: people a lot like he he worked his butt off.

715
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 4: We all know that he cost everything, but where he

716
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 4: was probably at his best was on the sideline. If

717
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 4: there was a ball on the sideline and the ref

718
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 4: was like out of bounds, I'm like, hey, you want

719
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 4: to challenge that, because there's a really really good chance

720
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: that he was in bounce. Yes, yes, that.

721
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: Look like he'd be all the way no way, and

722
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: he barely ever went to the ground like he never

723
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: dove for balls.

724
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: He ran through everything on the sideline. He would stretch

725
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 4: out so far and then somehow he would just stay

726
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 4: on his feet. His balance and and creativity was was unbelievable.

727
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 5: Tony to tap, he was top. That's end. If it's

728
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 5: by the sideline, I taped that.

729
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 4: Ye.

730
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: Man, look here, brouh. Let's get into some little other stuff. Man,

731
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: Let's let let me let me know. Joe's a spender. Joe. Oh, no,

732
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: Joe a spender.

733
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 4: Joe.

734
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: Joe got to two different cars, but I don't know, sorry,

735
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: what different what car?

736
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: We got one black, one white? They looked the same. Wow.

737
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: Back that was when I was playing for the Stellers Debo.

738
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: I had a coloring and I had a ghost.

739
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: They looked the same to me. He had a black

740
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: one and a white.

741
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: When he couldn't decide on which color, you know what

742
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So he said, you know what, I'm gonna

743
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: get the black and the white.

744
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: They're the same. Car to me. That's all. I'm like,

745
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: what's your biggest thank you?

746
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 5: Thank you?

747
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: Thank you made like on your when you're say, let's

748
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: say your rookie did was let's say.

749
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 4: Waite House House? Oh man, I don't know. Probably probably

750
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: a car that I didn't need, like you know I got.

751
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 4: I think I got my first car ever one It

752
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 4: was like a Thenali or one of you know, one

753
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: of those cars with you know, with like the TV's

754
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: in the headrest or or what you know.

755
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: You ain't get a race and a ghost.

756
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 5: I don't know what you know.

757
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 3: It's a car man car trying to bring out crazy.

758
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: Don't devo, it doesn't matter. It's a Rose Royce. Alright,

759
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 3: Oh lord, all right, look, let's let's switch. Let's switch gears.

760
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 3: Just what was your favorite stadium away stadium to play in, Ben.

761
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 4: Well? I I enjoyed, you know, as crazy as it is.

762
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 4: It kind of coincided with each other. Anybody in the

763
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: AFC North was pretty fun, right because you just they

764
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 4: were all over you and I was very successful. But

765
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 4: I would I would probably say my favorite stadium, Joe,

766
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 4: and this is not You're not gonna like this because

767
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 4: it was home away from home.

768
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 5: It was clear I set myself up.

769
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I I've been going through emails with

770
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 4: them because they're doing a new stadium, you know, which

771
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 4: is SEMs crazy to me with I heard something a

772
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 4: dome which seems or maybe retractable. I don't know. That

773
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 4: doesn't seem right to me. You just want okay, Yeah,

774
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 4: going through emails and stuff, they're they're asking me for

775
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 4: naming rights, like they want, you know, put my name.

776
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 5: That's where you're going with this.

777
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: That's where they do what I'm trying to tell you,

778
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: Like I'm looking at it.

779
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, Roethlisberger field, that Rothisberger field nuts Okay.

780
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of he kind of he kind

781
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: of up in the air with it because when he

782
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: going to the hall, he don't really want his name

783
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: sitting in Cleveland like that, you know what I'm saying.

784
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: But they speaking so much.

785
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: I mean, look at you one.

786
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 4: A lot of games there, a lot of games, you

787
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 4: know what.

788
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: I can respect that though, Ben, because you know I

789
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: went from there to Pittsburgh.

790
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 5: I played, you know, so.

791
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 4: Let me ask you. Joe is a Cleveland guy, Like,

792
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 4: what do you think about that being a dome or

793
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 4: like a like a like a roof of that feels

794
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 4: like that doesn't like isn't part of being in Cleveland.

795
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 4: For Baltimore, it's cracks and answer this.

796
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: Let me interject before you.

797
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 5: Listen.

798
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: The reason they want a dome band is because it

799
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: will be the only time they will get you see

800
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: and watch and be part of a super Bowl.

801
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 5: That's crazy, But go ahead, Joe, I'll let you.

802
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at it because I really think, well,

803
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 3: the owners, it's for money, you know, the hazard it's all.

804
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: They're building this whole little town out there. They're going

805
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: to have parking, the hotels, the restaurants. It's a business move,

806
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: and I'm not mad at them. They're putting money into

807
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: the city, into the stadium. It's going to be beautiful.

808
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: I know it's gonna be. They don't, they don't, they don't.

809
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 4: It doesn't feel right though, I know what just.

810
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 3: I hear you, man, I hear you. Honestly love to downtown, Downtown,

811
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: it was perfect. Love for the stadium was it was beautiful.

812
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: But I'm looking at it from I guess the owners.

813
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: They tried to do that because the dollars and cents.

814
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 4: I'll say this and and I and I hear it's

815
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 4: probably gonna beautiful, and I assume are they moving out

816
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 4: of where.

817
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 5: It was like it's gonna be it's gonna be by

818
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 5: the airport.

819
00:35:53,280 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: Oh, okay airport, But I used to always drive. No,

820
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 4: it just feels like the best chance. And again, and

821
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 4: I mean it's with sort of all due respect, it

822
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 4: feels like the best chance that Cleveland had was when

823
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 4: bad weather came.

824
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: In, when it's slippery outside, and you know what I'm saying,

825
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: they can't get the wheel.

826
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: That's really really didn't really give y'all chance.

827
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: That just kind of I don't know, it depends if

828
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: y'all was playing a warm weather team.

829
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 5: You need me here right now? Honestly, excuse me, do

830
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 5: y'all need me here right now?

831
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just talking. I'm talking. It's Demo and Joe. Okay,

832
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: we talking.

833
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: We got it.

834
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: We got special guests like this is sometimes is going

835
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: to happen. It's nothing wrong with it.

836
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, yeah, all right, yeah, calm down, like.

837
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: You come out here with all the Cleveland stuff on

838
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: and didn't expect not to get Cleveland questions?

839
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 5: You correct? You correct? I did this one to myself

840
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 5: I did this one to myself.

841
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: I got two three browns helmets on your left side

842
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: right there, What are we talking about, Joe?

843
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: And the right side got the same amount of helmets

844
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 3: instillers like.

845
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: And he told you it was kind of respectfully, so

846
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: he didn't kind of.

847
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: You always when you say that that means the bad

848
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 3: stuff on the way, you already

849
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: Know that it was respectfully kind of to understand that