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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Mett, my name is Note they called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Paul Mission controlled decond Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. We're entering today's episode with an

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Speaker 1: image that may be familiar to everyone, especially fans of

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Speaker 1: that of the Indian mystic often called a fake here

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Speaker 1: f a k i r, someone using the power were

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Speaker 1: of the mind to accomplish seemingly extraordinary feats. Fake here

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Speaker 1: is a Muslim or Hindu religious ascetic, traditionally a mendicant

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Speaker 1: And we've heard the tales, right they sound they have

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Speaker 1: let's be diplomatic. They range and plausibility. The idea is this,

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Speaker 1: through intense meditation, these individuals are able to do things

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Speaker 1: Today's question? Could the mind alone be responsible for these astonishing,

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Speaker 1: seemingly miraculous feats. Here are the facts. First of all,

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Speaker 1: But let's get to the facts. For sure, the mind

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Speaker 1: is absolutely capable of of extraordinary feats. In the previous episode,

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Speaker 1: But but should I watch The Office or here? And

427
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the US version that is wild? Yes

428
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: you should. And the second season of Community, Oh my goodness,

429
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: I have seen The Office all the way through, probably

430
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: nine times. It's like my comfort food show. I just

431
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: put it on when I want to feel okay. So

432
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 1: let's talk about what firewalking actually is, or you know

433
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: what it generally refers to. There's usually a nice long

434
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: bed of coals, really hot coals, stuff that will burn

435
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: you for sure. You know. Let's say it's about ten

436
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: feet long. Then on one end you've got human beings,

437
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: actual human beings with no shoes, no, no foot coverings whatsoever,

438
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: lined up, ready to just walk across it and guess

439
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: what happens they do. In the instance of some of

440
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 1: the mystics, we're talking about a lot of times it

441
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: will be an individual person that is taking a walk

442
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: across the coals and then maybe waiting for a moment

443
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: and taking a walk back across the coals. And it

444
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: really is just science. It's it's something that science can

445
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: pretty quickly answer. Sadly, I don't know if it's sad,

446
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: it's pretty I find it inspiring. It was mystic, man,

447
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: it was incredible. It was mind blowing, at least for me.

448
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: I remember it. But remember when there was magic in

449
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: the world. Guys, there's still science came along. It just

450
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with coals on the crowd. Okay, Yeah,

451
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: it's true, because I mean, you don't see there's a

452
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: lot of work that goes into making one of these scenarios.

453
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: You know, like when you hire the company to make

454
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: your coal pit for your team building I exercise, they

455
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: show up well in advance of the actual exercise, and

456
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: they gotta dig a trench first. Then they got to

457
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: lay out the coals. They gotta light them, and you

458
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: probably would notice that these coals aren't like flame and hot,

459
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: and you're not shooting like, you know, an accelerant on them.

460
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: They're not shooting flames out left and right, they're basically embers. Uh,

461
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: they've been allowed to burn down to the point that

462
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: they're not you know, actually actively on fire anymore. So

463
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: are hot they are? They can they can be hotter

464
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: than a thousand degrees fahrenheit. But Ben, you turn us

465
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: onto this fact. This is fascinating there because of the

466
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: actual coal. And by the way, so firewalking is kind

467
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: of a as a misnomer would be more accurately described

468
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: as coal walking. Ben, as you pointed out to us,

469
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: Um and Uh, the carbon structure of coal is really

470
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: bad at conducting heat. So if you kind of zip along,

471
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, hot footed lye um, you're gonna there's a

472
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: little bit of a lag and how quickly it conducts

473
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: heat from the coal to your actual bare feet. And

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Speaker 1: that's why you don't see a bunch of people getting

475
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Speaker 1: together to have either a social rite of passage or

476
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Speaker 1: a corporate team building exercise by walking on a tin

477
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: foot row of burning metal sheet pands. You don't don't

478
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: do it. There's a reason, there's a science to this. Yeah,

479
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: coal is just a terrible, terrible conductor of heat. Water

480
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: also has a high thermal capacity, So you don't see

481
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: the prep work before you see that amazing walk. There

482
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: are hours of people very carefully organizing, igniting the coal

483
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: and then letting it burned down while they smooth it out. Uh,

484
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: they let the wood burn so that the embers don't

485
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: retain water. And they use specific types of wood, So

486
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: hardwood embers like cherry and maple, like low red orange,

487
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: look hot, but they don't burn as hot as other

488
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 1: types of wood like olive wood. And and you know

489
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: the the firewalk pros know this, the tony Robbins of

490
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: the world and so on. That's right. And another major

491
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: factor here is essentially what I do with my grill,

492
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: what maybe you do with your grill when you're cooking,

493
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: if you set the coals up, if you cook with coals,

494
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: but you set coals up kind of in a pile

495
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: you set on fire. Then once the pyramid right like almost, yeah, well,

496
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: what's fires going? You spread that baby out, so you've

497
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: got essentially a flat layer of coals across the entirety

498
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: of that surface. The same thing is happening here. The

499
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: coals are then spread out specifically so that you're not

500
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: going to when you place your foot on top of it,

501
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: you're not going to go into coals. Right, You're not

502
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: gonna surround your foot with a step with coals. You're

503
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: gonna step across one single layer or as close to

504
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: in single layer as possible. You might also might also

505
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: dip your feet in some water. And that is because

506
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: when liquid meets intense heat, it forms an insulating, albeit

507
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: a temporary layer of steam. This is something called ZENA

508
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: didn't frost effect. Sorry what was that? Oh yeah, it's

509
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: I meant to say frost effect. Okay, I just want

510
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: to make sure I got it. It's the reason why

511
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: you can lick your the tip of your fingers and

512
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: then snuff out a candle without hurting yourself. Uh. And yes,

513
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: we are pronouncing that correctly. It does have to be screamed. Yeah,

514
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: it's in all caps anywhere that it's printed right. Right,

515
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: So with with all this, you know, like what you

516
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: were saying earlier, and uh, we do see a paste

517
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: mattering because if you have prepared this way, your wood's right,

518
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: your your surface is flat, there's not actual flame being admitted.

519
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: And you just walk at a brisk pace, you know

520
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: what I mean? You walk like it's kind of cold

521
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: outside and you're in a hurry. Then you are going

522
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: to receive a relatively small amount of harmless heat with

523
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: each step, but that changes very quickly if you saunter

524
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: too much or you meander, and it differ changes. Yeah,

525
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: it also changes if you run. It just it gets

526
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: worse on either side of the spectrum. Just slow and steady.

527
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: That's what the tortoise was talking about, or the turtle

528
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: or whatever other slow animal in that parable. You don't

529
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: want to run. So it really is all about just

530
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: like a nice even saunter continue across. Um. Wow, you

531
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: know it's it's funny that it is so simple like that,

532
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: and it does seem like anybody could do it and

533
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: it's not hard necessarily, But that really isn't the point,

534
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: at least in a lot of the ways it was

535
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: done in the past and the way it's viewed as

536
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: a ritual, right, It is more about mind over body,

537
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: almost convincing yourself that it's gonna be okay if I

538
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: do this, or I have the mental strength to go

539
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: through with this thing that seems terrifying. Yeah, it's it's

540
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: so I think could mean like it's it's it's a

541
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: little bit different. But if you're someone who's terrified of

542
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: like roller coasters or heights heights, let's just say, let's

543
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: just simplify it, and then you psych yourself out to

544
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: go on a really terrifying roller coaster. That's mind over

545
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: matter as well, because you know, in reality that thing

546
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: could break down and eject you, you know, at the

547
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: very top of the of the you know, biggest loop,

548
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: and you could fall to your death. You accept that

549
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: that's a possibility, but you submit yourself to this situation

550
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: and agree and agree with yourself with your mind that

551
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: you're going to be okay, and you get a no

552
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: fear T shirt at the end, you know what. No spoilers.

553
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: But now that I think about it, that's really what

554
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: the office episode was all about. Oh really, I thought

555
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: you were about to say I still have those T

556
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: shirts and and I was shaking my head and I

557
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: was thinking, I knew it. I know he's still well,

558
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: of course, all my shirts are now like UFC mm

559
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: A shirts, you know, all the really really good ones. No,

560
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: like this one. I think this is a UFC shirt

561
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: somewhere I've got, uh, yeah, I have. I have a

562
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: bunch of shirts that are just names of podcasts from

563
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: announcements where they handed us shirts and I was, and

564
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm not gonna keep buying shirts now.

565
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: So that's where I have a Stamps dot Com shirt

566
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: that says something about podcasts, like I made a podcast

567
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: and all I got was this lousy Stamps dot Com

568
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: shirt or something. Someone someone was bound to do that.

569
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: But okay, So if you're a perspective cole walker, it's

570
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: fine to call yourself a firewalker. Just know that you're

571
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: being intentionally misleading. Uh. If you walk too slowly, your

572
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: feet will sink into the coal, You'll go through those

573
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: temporary insulators, and your day will take a bad turn

574
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: because these folks will burn like any other ordinary person.

575
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: If you go too fast, you will run the risk

576
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: of kicking up embers, burning yourself again like any other person.

577
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Or you'll be doing everything right and a little piece

578
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: of coal gets stuck between your toes. Also, you have

579
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: to add you could slip and fall and that can

580
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: turn fatal pretty quickly, so be very cautious. Also, we're

581
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: not telling you to do it, We're just telling you

582
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: how it works. You may be asking yourself, hey, why

583
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: is this always shown happening at night so often? That's

584
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: all that's all in the pr it's the pizzas baby.

585
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: It turns out that uh, firewalking at night minimizes the

586
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: visibility of the ash that covers the coal. Ash is

587
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: another just trash heat conductor. It's terrible at it, and

588
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: when it covers these coals, it blocks the heat. So

589
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: during the daytime it might look like people are just

590
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: making a great to do about a weird, crumbly gray pathway,

591
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: But if you show it at night, it looks like

592
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: things are on fire totally. No. I minimizes the the uh,

593
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: the bad optics and maximizes the good optics because you're

594
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: not gonna they're not gonna seem nearly as glowy during

595
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: the day, right, exactly exactly, And so this is all calculated, uh,

596
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: and explained this way, it may seem more like a

597
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: simple science experiment, even though it is risky. But to

598
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: a point you made earlier, Matt, we have to remember

599
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: that this occurs as a right of passage, So people

600
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: experiencing this are viewing it through the lens of ritual.

601
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 1: Just because it's not supernatural doesn't mean it can't be

602
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: a fundamentally transformative act. Ordinary things can change your life. Yeah,

603
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: that's right, just like the first box of magic cards

604
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: you ever get. Hey, we we're gonna keep going down

605
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: this pathway of looking at some of the more seemingly

606
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: mystical things that mystics do, and we'll tell you more

607
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: about him after another word from our sponsor. Okay, So,

608
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: if you're still with us after we pretty much demystified

609
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: walking on coals, thanks for coming back. I hope you

610
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: had a good break. Uh, this is something, honestly, Matt Well,

611
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: this is something that just uh, I think Chuck would

612
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: say it squigs me out. Yeah, it's uh, it's another

613
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: very popular thing, uh, lying down on beds of sharp

614
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: nails without without being harmed physically. But Ben, it's not

615
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: the sharp part that squigs you out. It's the materials

616
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: right on the metals. Yeah. No, I I I get it, paraly.

617
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: I I think a lot of us out there get it. Ben,

618
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: Maybe not to the extent that that you experienced it,

619
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, it does. It's like, even though you could

620
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: do it safely, guys. For me, honestly, it's like the

621
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: same idea of being forced into a bathtub filled with

622
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: dangly key rings. It's just it's just unclean. That one

623
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: triggered me. I don't understand why because it's all their

624
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: hands on you. You know, that's true. That's true, That's

625
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: very true. UM. But yeah, this is an interesting one

626
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: and one that i've I've you know, this is actually

627
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that you might even see if

628
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: you if you've been to a Myrtle Beach esque type

629
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: town where they have a place called Ripley's believe it

630
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: or not, Um, you may have have experienced one of

631
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: these situations yourself. Oh yeah, sure, um. And you know, look,

632
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: I hope you're still around for the ride for this one. Everybody. Um,

633
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: we are doing some myth busting over here. But this concept,

634
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: this practice, the act of laying down on a bed

635
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: of nails, has a really mundane explanation. It's it's pretty

636
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Speaker 1: basic science. It has to do with weight distribution um

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Speaker 1: like overall and pressure placement essentially like um pressure per

638
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Speaker 1: square inch essentially. Yep, and our our colleague and friend

639
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Speaker 1: of the show, Tracy Wilson, who you may recognize from

640
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: stuff you missed in history class, uh, did a great

641
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: breakdown of this from the house stuff workstays that's exactly

642
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Speaker 1: what you're talking about, Matt, and she brings up the

643
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Speaker 1: example of a person in high heeled shoes. I didn't

644
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Speaker 1: know this, but if you are walking in high heeled shoes,

645
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Speaker 1: you are exerting more pressure on the ground than an elephant.

646
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Speaker 1: And it's entirely due to this distribution you're talking about

647
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: matt Like mathematical terms, pressure is equal to force divided

648
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 1: by area. So and wait, wait, wait that's true. Yes, yes,

649
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: so an elephant will tend to weigh more than the

650
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Speaker 1: average person, not to not to body shame elephants or people,

651
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: but its feet have so much more surface area than

652
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: the pointy heel of the shoe. So despite despite the weight,

653
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: overall the real estate where that weight connects is much

654
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: smaller in the shoes, so there's there's more force. There

655
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: are four points of contact with an elephant. Right, wow,

656
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: that's mind blowing. Ben, thank you for that. And Tez.

657
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Speaker 1: So what what if you fell from a very high

658
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: height onto one of these beds of nails? Different story, right, yeah,

659
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: very very much so, because now you have we say fall.

660
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: But if you think about it, gravity is just holling

661
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: you viciously, so you're not you're not in control then

662
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: of your of your speed reproach. So imagine, just to

663
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Speaker 1: mess with Averybuy's mind. I don't know if Paul, I

664
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: don't know if you're gonna do sound effects for this, Okay,

665
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: So imagine that you have unfortunately stepped on a nail.

666
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: This is not a thought exercise for a lot of

667
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: us in the audience today. This is a terrible memory.

668
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: Your foot is exerting a tremendous amount of pressure on

669
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Speaker 1: a very very tiny point of connection, the tip of

670
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: the nail, and so that's the sound effect. I'll do

671
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: the So so the nail goes into your foot, you scream. Uh,

672
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: your partner is like, oh my god, you're ruining prom

673
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: or something like that. Are they're They're like Harry, Harry,

674
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: and then you get and then you get tetanus and

675
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: you die. Uh. I always say, whenever I think of this,

676
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: I think of that scene at Home Alone. That kid

677
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: was sadistic. He really really overdid it with those poor

678
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: wet bandits. I mean, you would think after the first

679
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: trap someone would say, we should go that's this kid

680
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: is way. This kid is demonic. He's obviously as a psychopath.

681
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: You know, we and we we have wear no match

682
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, because like think about that, it feels

683
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: to me that the dark heart of Home Alone is

684
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Speaker 1: that Kevin would have done that to anyone who went

685
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: in the house, a male postal worker, a relative. He

686
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: just wanted the blood. I think he just wanted the blood. Guys,

687
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: Come on, come on now, it's actually about the magic.

688
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: It's about the magic of Christmas. Let's be real, guys,

689
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: which is also kind of about Okay, no, we've got

690
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: a Christmas episode that you would check out. Lady ruined Christmas.

691
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: We've ruined magic. Now we've ruined Home Alone, and now

692
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: we've ruined Christmas. No, not at all. You know, Santa

693
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: Claus is the number one most popular conspiracy theory for

694
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: most US children. We can't ruin Christmas. As a matter

695
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: of fact, Christmas is part of the reason this show

696
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: exists if you look at the structure, like the philosophical

697
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: framework of discovering what is or isn't true. So so

698
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: it's true and nail will mess up your foot, but

699
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: it is also true that you can lay on a

700
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Speaker 1: bed of nails. Yeah, Matt, I love that you just

701
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Speaker 1: have nails. I have a tiny little nail here. You

702
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: just imagine hundreds of these, like thin time we hang

703
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: out in person, I'm going to do an experiment. Well

704
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: just be like, hey, Matt, do you do you happen

705
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Speaker 1: to have any nails? And I'm always with nail, always

706
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: with nails, because you never know when you'll have to

707
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Speaker 1: make a bed of nails. And this is safer than

708
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: a single nail, safer with a lot of coffeatts. What

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00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: you know. There's another another one that this brings to mind.

710
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: Um when you see like suspension artists who have hooks

711
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: that go through their skin um or they can hang

712
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: either from like two points of contact from their shoulders

713
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: or uh prone with like multiple hooks, and you know,

714
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: your mind immediately thinks, oh, those are gonna rip out,

715
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: and they're gonna fall, and and they're gonna be completely shredded.

716
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: Their their backs are gonna be shredded. But it's the

717
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: same concept, right, It's all about weight distribution with those

718
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: as well. It's about weight distribution. That's I would say

719
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: that's an order of magnitude more complicated, however, because the

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Speaker 1: people who are the people who are inserting those hooks

721
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: have to have a pretty good knowledge of human anatomy

722
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: and physiology if they want to avoid lasting harm. But yes,

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Speaker 1: The thing with a bed of nails is that we

724
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Speaker 1: still have just the tiny, the tiny point of contact

725
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: like you saw Matt's nail collection, but we have a

726
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: bunch of them and they're all close together, so collectively

727
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: this is a lot of surface area for the human body.

728
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: They distribute the pressure of your you know, not yet

729
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: carcass and voi la. Usually everything goes all right. Your

730
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: body will not put enough pressure on any single individual

731
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Speaker 1: nail for it to break your skin, which means we

732
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: can extend this, throw a second bed of nails on

733
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: top of yourself while we're there, and they get one

734
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: of your buddies to break a cinder block on it,

735
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: and if everything goes according to plan, you're gonna be okay. Again,

736
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: we're not telling you to do this. We're just saying

737
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: that you're gonna look super awesome. We're not not telling

738
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: you to do this. We are don't do any of this, okay,

739
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: But you're also you know, you're in your your own

740
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: master of your own destiny. At the end of yeah,

741
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: we're just telling you that all your crush as we'll

742
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: fall in love with you. Your boss will see it

743
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: and they'll say that's the kind of initiative. Guys, the

744
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: lawyer phone is ringing. It's so if you have experienced

745
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: this without like before hearing from us, we played no

746
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: part in this. We're just giving you information. We do

747
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: want to hear your story, though, because one of the

748
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: most dangerous parts of this practice has nothing to do

749
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: would you actually lying there with beds of nails being

750
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: on top of you or even center blocks. The real

751
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: dangerous part is getting yourself on and off the thing.

752
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: Once you get on there, you're fine, but you're most like, yeah, yeah,

753
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: it goes right through. But they're they're pretty close together though, right,

754
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: that's the whole point. So they're definitely close together. So

755
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: even your hand if you're not putting a ton of

756
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: way on it, which still the whole principle would hold you. Now,

757
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: maybe it wouldn't. It's too focused. I think it needs

758
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: to be more are distributed than that, more widely. Yeah,

759
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: that makes sense. You can take it easy like a

760
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: Sunday morning man, like soft rock in an elevator. You

761
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: gotta lay that groove on slow. Uh. But what if

762
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: they were knives, though, guys, what if they were knives?

763
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: Different people have attempted things in principle it's something that

764
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: that would work just from the concept of the pressure

765
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 1: and distribution, and you will see people who are doing

766
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: those things are purporting to do so I guess someone

767
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: check me on this. Um. It would obviously depend on

768
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: the knife, right, you wanted to play it safe, you

769
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: could just blunt the tip of the knife, which is

770
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: probably with someone someone with nails in the past. Um.

771
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: But I'm just speculating here. It feels like maybe it's

772
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: the difference between somebody juggling with bowling pins and then

773
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: somebody juggling with you know, uh, tennis balls or so

774
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, something more dangerous. Uh lit torches and uh chainsaws. Well, uh,

775
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: the Internet did not deliver on bed of knives, but

776
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: it did deliver a really grizzly photo of a dude

777
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: in the hospital had been stabbed in the face. So

778
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: thanks Internet. Uh, I've got just the thing for you,

779
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: piercing the body. Um. Oh yeah, what we were just

780
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: talking about, like suspension, right, and also like putting nail

781
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: or another sharp object through your cheek or into your

782
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: nose or down your throat. Um. A lot of that

783
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: stuff has to do, like you said, been with knowledge

784
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: of human anatomy. Where it's actually going remaining calm. Is

785
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: there anything else to that preparation practice having an instructor? Yeah, uh,

786
00:49:55,120 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: and you can you can read some great articles and

787
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: what are called human blockheads. You can see some uh,

788
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: there's some fantastic forums on how to safely conduct suspension.

789
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: But again that's none of None of those things are

790
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: things that you want to just watch a YouTube video

791
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: and attempt for you to do yourself. But the point

792
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: is people are able to do these. There are two

793
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: other things that we should mention when we're talking about

794
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: other feats, just briefly because these might be future episodes.

795
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 1: One is the idea of being buried alive consensually saying hey,

796
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: I've thought about it. Put me in the ground and

797
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: then take me out and uh, you know, let's see

798
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: what happens. Yeah, that it doesn't seem real. And we

799
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: found instances, historical alleged instances where people have been buried

800
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: for elongated periods of time. I think the one that

801
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: we got for this was from a long time ago.

802
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: Someone was supposedly buried for forty days that right, Yeah,

803
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: that was his name was Jesus only three. I need

804
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: to brush up on my my Bible verses. Ah. Yeah,

805
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: his name was Sadu Harridas. Yeah, he was. This was

806
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: allegedly to have occurred in eighteen thirty seven. He was

807
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: buried alive for forty days and survived. And there It's

808
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: interesting because there were multiple I witness accounts and they

809
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: they sound just unimpressed enough for me to think at

810
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: least a few of them are true. These people did

811
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: get fooled. There's one British guy who who recounts the

812
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: story and says, uh, they dug him up and like

813
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: within half an hour he was kind of back to normal,

814
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: but he was still really frail and feeble, and then

815
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: half an hour after that he was just he would

816
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: talk to people who asked him questions and uh, he

817
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: still looked really weak. We were convinced that happened, and

818
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: so we left. That's how that's what they did. That's

819
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: sound I mean, that sounds unbelievable to me. Um. But

820
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: the thing is, everybody, there might be something to this.

821
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that that particular story is true and

822
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: there wasn't some kind of swindling or weirdness going on there,

823
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: but there could be something to this, right, and it's

824
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: something that we might be talking about later. No spoilers though, Okay, No,

825
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: you're right, Matt, You're right. It's hard to bite our

826
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: tongues on this one. But this is this is a

827
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: future episode. We think we figured it out and not again,

828
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: not necessarily in a debunking way. We we found something, uh,

829
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: and we want to bring it to you soon. But

830
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: while we're here we're talking about feats, there's another big one.

831
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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting, uh, because it's one of the

832
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: more extreme. It's one of the more controversial. It's one

833
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: that is pretty divisive. Back shouldn't. It's impossible. That's that's

834
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: why it's divisive. It's divisive because it's physically impossible. Pack.

835
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: In two thousand and ten, it was a guy named

836
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: Plade Johnny and he's a religious teacher. Some people considered

837
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: him a profit. Uh. He was about eighty two in

838
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, and he was located in Gujarata.

839
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: He claimed that he had not consumed get this, any

840
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: food or any water of any sort in more than

841
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: seventy years. Uh. This was this occurred after a an

842
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: encounter he had with divinity when he was eleven years old,

843
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: and so science came to bear a. Doctor Sakir Shah,

844
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: the director of neuroscience at the Sterling Hospital in a

845
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: Meta bad decided to investigate. He and a team monitored

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Speaker 1: Johnny for ten days and two thousand and three, during

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Speaker 1: which time they confirmed that he did not eat anything,

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Speaker 1: drink anything, urinate, or generate bowel movements, which is a

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Speaker 1: really unnecessarily formal way to say he wasn't whooping. Those

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Speaker 1: are all superpowers and in and of themselves, each of

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Speaker 1: those broad portfolio of freakish abilities there well, there are too.

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Speaker 1: There are two schools of thought here though. The first

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Speaker 1: is ten days. People fast for a long time. People

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Speaker 1: who are serious about fasting can do that m with food.

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Speaker 1: But water is a different story because huh, let's technically

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Speaker 1: maybe that's not the right word. Scientifically, according to what

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Speaker 1: we understand about humans and bodies and water, you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be able to go more than I would say, maximum

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Speaker 1: four days? Is that about right? Without water? And they're

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Speaker 1: saying they monitored monitored him for ten days and he

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Speaker 1: didn't take in any water or expel anything any of

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Speaker 1: the by products of water. That seems that seems impossible.

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Speaker 1: It does, and that's why they went back with the guy.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and ten, they monitored him again, and

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Speaker 1: this time they extended the monitoring period to fifteen days.

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Speaker 1: They got the same results. Uh, no urine, no feces,

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Speaker 1: no food, no drink and outside of a couple of

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Speaker 1: very limited circumstances that we're not going to talk about

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Speaker 1: Jesse yet. Uh this this is impossible and and I

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Speaker 1: hate to be the downer here, but Nightline got wind

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Speaker 1: of this and they went to investigate. They saw what

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Speaker 1: this man was calling his or what have been described

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Speaker 1: as his cave to studio apartment, and in on video

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Speaker 1: you can see that this apartment as a refrigerator. When

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Speaker 1: the people working for Nightline asked one of this teacher's followers, hey,

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Speaker 1: it's a very reasonable question. Why does a guy who

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to eat, why why does he need a refrigerator?

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Speaker 1: And then the follower apparently became very very defensive, refused

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Speaker 1: the crew entry into the dwelling, and they walked away

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Speaker 1: with it still being a mystery. MM doesn't sound like

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Speaker 1: a mr made on me. But maybe he's just got

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Speaker 1: an ice maker in there and he needs the ice

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Speaker 1: for another purpose, right, Um, maybe the ice isn't to drink.

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Speaker 1: It's to cool down something or to feed some house plants,

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Speaker 1: can gently caress his body with you know, he practices

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Speaker 1: his whim Hoff meditation. That was the full circle, guys,

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Speaker 1: full circle open. I I don't I mean, we don't

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Speaker 1: want to be It seemed like we're being entirely dismissive.

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Speaker 1: These are just the things that we know to be

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Speaker 1: true about this case. Please do not attempt to starve yourself.

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00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: Please do not attempt to be a breath arean or anything.

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00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: The stuff is dangerous and every every technique we've described

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Speaker 1: has given people serious injuries at some point over history.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to achieve these sorts of things,

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Speaker 1: that what you'll need to do is study with the

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Speaker 1: experts in these uh, in these feats. Right, find someone

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Speaker 1: who has walked over coals and and look at their

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00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: feet first before you decide whether or not you're gonna

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Speaker 1: pay them to teach you. But now f and g

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Speaker 1: to a bunch of balloons and go up way too high,

901
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: and or get someone like Darren Brown to convince you

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Speaker 1: that you did it and you just don't remember it. Uh.

903
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: That's a great idea. Uh. It seems then that the

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Speaker 1: question of mind over matter in the world of mysticism

905
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Speaker 1: is often at least misrepresented. We know thought can alter

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Speaker 1: the structure of the human brain to the point where

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Speaker 1: if you maybe listening to a bunch of podcasts might

908
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Speaker 1: do something to your brain too. We don't know yet,

909
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: because podcasts haven't been around long enough for us to

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Speaker 1: find doubt. But it also turns out that many of

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Speaker 1: the physical feats that are thought to be the result

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Speaker 1: of mental or cognitive superpowers turn out to be the clever,

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Speaker 1: ritualized application of well established scientific principles. We can dismiss

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Speaker 1: some of these folks as hoaxters and frauds, but there's

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Speaker 1: one crazy thing here. We have to remember the primary

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Speaker 1: tool they are using to trick the crowds and the

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Speaker 1: followers isn't a prop like a nail. It's it's not

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Speaker 1: some coals and some ash. The primary tool is their mind,

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Speaker 1: which means they are wielding mind over matter. Maybe not

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Speaker 1: as much, but they're using their mind to exert influence

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Speaker 1: over the minds of others. So we ended up with

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Speaker 1: mind over mind, which sounds way less. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: they're using your mind as a weapon too. No, that's true,

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Speaker 1: at least as far as we know now, we may

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Speaker 1: be off base there. One thing we didn't talk about

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Speaker 1: was the uh uh levitation, right, the purported acts of levitation.

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Speaker 1: We also didn't talk about the infamous but rarely witnessed

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Speaker 1: trick of climbing up a rope that's not you know,

929
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Speaker 1: that's not attached to anything seemingly And we want to

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Speaker 1: hear from you. Have you witnessed physical feats that cannot

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Speaker 1: be explained by ordinary means. We're talking seemingly superhuman whim

932
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: Hoff kind of stuff. If so, let us know we

933
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: want to hear from you because, as always we want

934
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Speaker 1: to see actual cases of this. How amazing would that be?

935
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Speaker 1: don't know if pictures or something on one of our

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Speaker 1: socials or something. And immediately after that, called James Randy

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Speaker 1: or whoever is representing him in his hot line and

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Speaker 1: collect a million dollars or whatever they're bounty is right

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Speaker 1: now for something um intensely like E S P powers

943
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Speaker 1: or something mystic like that. But first call us one

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Speaker 1: mm hmmm. If you don't want to use a telephone,

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Speaker 1: like that, or you don't like handling plastic, or I

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Speaker 1: don't know what if funds made up these days? Who knows,

949
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Speaker 1: another mystery. We'll sort that one out later. You can

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