WEBVTT - Bill Gates Made “A Grave Error In Judgement” With Epstein Relationship 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:05.800 Hey, they folks did. It's Thursday, June eleventh, and another 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:10.840 high profile, famous, powerful man has been hauled in to 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:15.120 give testimony before Congress having to do with his relationship 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:19.439 with Jeffrey Epstein. And what did he testify to I 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.320 don't know nothing, I ain't see nothing, I ain't do nothing. 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:24.800 And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:29.160 TJ ropes. Not necessarily forbad him. I think Bill Gates 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:32.120 might have been a little more eloquent in he's how 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:33.360 he said it, but that's what he said. 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:35.640 Yeah, And this is, as you pointed out, one of 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:41.400 the most powerful men, billionaires in the world, who was 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:47.720 essentially being blackmailed by one of the most prolific pedophiles 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:48.600 in the world. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.560 He might have been one of the most prolific blackmailers. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.680 This follows a pattern. This is what people want. You 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.280 want leverage over people in some way. And this part 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:56.080 was interesting, really. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.760 And that is where so many of the conspiracy theories 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:03.480 continue to have legs, because yes, it is true, it 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.199 has been proven. And we heard directly from Bill Gates 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:10.400 that yes, he was among the men who Jeffrey Epstein 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.240 had goods on and threatened to use them to try 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:18.080 and continual relationship with or at least continue to use 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.560 Bill Gates's good name at the time to benefit him. 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.520 And that is part of what the Congressional the House 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.000 Oversight Committee is trying to come to terms with, to 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.080 try to figure out how Epstein rose to power, investigate 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:35.320 the investigation, and just try to give some more information 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.480 to a very curious American public. 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.520 I guess we're getting a little more insight, a little 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:43.200 more detail. There's some curiosity here. I'm not sure, rogue, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:48.240 do we got anything that overwhelmingly changes the narrative, but 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:49.920 it just I think it just adds to it a 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.080 little more understanding. But yeah, this is further evidence in 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:58.160 that camp man. What did he have on everybody exactly? 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:03.000 And so this was a closed door deposition, and Bill 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.720 Gates himself actually released his opening statement to the committee, 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.680 much like we saw from Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:13.560 when they were compelled to testify back in February. Bill Gates, however, 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.960 made it very clear he came voluntarily. And as he 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.000 was walking into the Capitol, of course, you know, you 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.600 had all those reporters throwing Mike's at him, and he 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:25.440 said he was there hoping that he could help lawmakers 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.959 quote fine justice for the victims. 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.120 As he went into testify, I was. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.160 Very surprised to see him stop and make a statement 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:33.919 of any kind. He didn't take questions, but he did. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.800 He stood there and looked calm and confident. He looks 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:38.320 throwing in. 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.079 He looked a little different, He looks thin. He did, right, 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:43.600 And that stood out to me. I don't know if 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:44.280 you noticed that too. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.360 I guess we don't see him that often. He's not 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.880 as prominent as far as up to date pictures, right, 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.200 we don't see him that often. But yeah, I thought 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:51.840 you looked pretty good. 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.880 Yeah, I mean when I said that, like, he looked healthy. 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.960 He didn't look sickly, he looked healthy. But yeah, he's 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.760 just the latest powerful person linked to Jeffrey Epsty to testify. 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.560 And I think you all probably remember that his name 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.120 did appear fairly prominently in some. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.280 Emails, prominently and frequently and. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:11.800 Embarrassingly in those files. 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.960 In some of these emails, in fact, that Jeffrey Epstein 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.240 emailed himself almost as if he were making notes to 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.640 remember what was happening, or maybe there were drafts. I 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:23.720 think it was suggested if emails he was going to 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:27.919 send to Bill Gates in that big DOJ Epstein dumping 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:31.560 those emails. The contents of them were frankly very embarrassing 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.880 to Bill Gates. It was the very material that Jeffrey 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.280 Epstein was holding over his head to blackmail him. 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.160 Yeah, and as a reminder, I mean some of the 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.080 style least still draft email it suggested or said that 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:50.400 Bill Gates was surreptitiously trying to give his wife drugs 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.000 to treat an STD that he had given her that 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.720 he gotten from having extramarital affairs. I mean, that's pretty 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:57.520 tough stuff. 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.720 Correct in this file? Correct? 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:03.880 Actually have in one of the emails, Epstein wrote to 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:07.720 add insult to the injury. You then subsequently, with tears 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.200 in your eyes, implore me to please delete the emails 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:15.440 regarding your STD, your request that I provide you antibiotics 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:20.320 that you can surreptitiously give to Melinda, and description of 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:24.599 your penis. So, yes, this was an email in the 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.240 DOJ dump. 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:32.440 And yes, and it didn't make sense why Jeffrey Epstein 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:36.600 would write that draft to himself. Does this mean he 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:38.880 was I don't know, was he making this up and 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.799 getting prepared to put that out or was this all true? 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.880 So Bill Gates at the time came out and made 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:47.920 a statement and said all this stuff was untrue. 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.120 Yes, And there was another email just to see where 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.839 we're going with and what he's referencing when we read 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.600 you as opening statements. There was another email from a 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.919 former Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation chief advisor who talked 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:07.359 about in this email about things he had been asked 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.280 to do that he felt were morally inappropriate or even 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:11.719 ethically unsound. 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:13.159 And he said from. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:17.080 Helping Bill to get drugs in order to deal with 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:21.279 consequences of sex with Russian girls, to facilitating his illicit 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.560 trysts with married women, to being asked to provide adderall 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.200 for bridge tournaments as I am a medical doctor but 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.200 have no prescriptions writing ability. 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.960 So all of this was back and forth. 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.800 With Epstein, and it just was it was a very 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.240 tough PR day for Bill Gates to say the least. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.080 Yeah, and he, from what I remember ropes, he responded 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:45.320 pretty immediately to this and pretty extensively. He kind of 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.200 said a lot. I can't remember if he was on camera, 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.039 but oh, didn't he have to After this he spoke 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.919 to the foundation, didn't he have a meeting. In the 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:54.520 notes of that meeting got out he had to talk 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:54.840 to them. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:55.240 Yeah. 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:59.120 So yes, he has been out there and admitting and 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:00.960 saying I had aim miss this was a mistake to 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.839 have this relationship. So he gets hauled in robes. It 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.840 seems like, based on the Epstein files and things that 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.320 we are aware of, maybe he does know something. Maybe 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.920 he did see something, Maybe he was aware of something, 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.320 maybe he was around something. Maybe he can help us 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:16.680 move this investigation along. 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.839 Okay, well we have his opening statement, and in addition 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.560 to just thanking the committee and actually calling it an 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:27.200 opportunity to appear before them, he actually said he was 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:28.920 looking forward to answering their. 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.200 Question, saying all the right stuff. 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.040 Doesn't seem that's how the Clintons opened, But okay, Bill 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:34.800 Gates maybe started out a little friendly. 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:39.200 What was Clinton's wonderful line at the Annie's fire away? 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:40.000 Something great? 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.280 They didn't act as if they were excited about it. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.960 Ask her questions. But he begins with at the outset, 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.320 I want to stay very clearly, I never witnessed, nor 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:55.279 had any indication that Epstein was engaged in ongoing criminal conduct. 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.720 I never went to his island, his ranch or his 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.440 Florida home. I've never victimized anyone. While he may have 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:06.240 sought to foster a personal relationship, I was never interested 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.320 in that and never reciprocated. 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.600 So, like I said, didn't know nothing, didn't do nothing, 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:11.400 didn't see nothing. 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.920 Yes, that was the verbatim of your synopsis. 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:15.560 Okay, he might as well just say that and say, okay, 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.120 give me questions. Okay, Well get it. I don't know 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.000 anything this guy that I knew. I am in here 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:25.560 in Congress to testify about my relationship. Let me start 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.760 with this. I know nothing. 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.680 And by the way, it was a five year relationship. Well, 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:32.120 uh okay. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.080 So he goes on to kind of give some details. 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.840 He said, I was introduced to Epstein in twenty eleven 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.559 through people I trusted in my professional and philanthropic work. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:44.000 Epstein claimed he could raise billions. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.400 Of dollars for global health from people for whom he 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:50.600 provided tax and estate services. I recall being aware that 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:54.760 Epstein had faced prior legal issues, but I did not 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.320 fully understand the extent of the crimes he committed. I 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.840 accepted the introduction without applying the scrutiny I should have. 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.840 That's for a guy who's become one of the most 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:08.120 influential men in business the world has ever known, one 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.120 of the most I mean, one of the richest men 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.600 the world has ever known. I didn't do my homework 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.080 on this new guy that was just handed to me. 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:18.960 It does seem a bit bizarre. 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.560 And when you find out he's acknowledging he knew he 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.160 was a convicted criminal. Did he not want to know 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:30.560 what he did? And when you heard predator, child sex offender, possible, well, 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.920 not possible, convicted pedophile, would you not? I mean, do 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.640 you gloss it over by thinking as she was probably sixteen? 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.480 So what's the line there about what he was aware of? 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:45.280 He was aware that Epstein had faced prior legal issues. 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.959 That's how he phrased it. That's where you lose me. 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.800 He okay, come on, okay. I didn't realize he lost 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.040 us so early in his statement it sweetheart deal. 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.800 Epstein' sweetheart deal was in two thousand and seven. This 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:01.160 is four years after the fact. There was information online 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.560 everywhere about him. 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:07.599 At that point. It would have only required a Google. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.280 Sech we even when you meet somebody and before you 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:11.920 go on the first date, you can google him and 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.880 find this out to say he didn't do enough research. 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.640 Sounds a little odd, but to this sounds legal. It 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:22.040 sounds lawyer. It's the way he put it. Be aware 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:27.400 of he had some prior legal issues. Well, that's vague. Okay, 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:28.920 I want to take him at his word here, but 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:32.200 that's uh, that's vague and it's tough to believe. 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.520 Agreed, So yes, Then he describes having like three meetings 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.839 with Epstein in twenty eleven, a couple in twenty twelve, 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.920 and then he claims there were more extensive conversations in 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.440 twenty thirteen and twenty fourteen, and so then he goes 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:50.120 specifically in twenty fourteen. So this is five years after 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.440 meeting him. After Epstein brought together a group he described 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.280 as potential donors, I realized that our prior discussions would 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:01.040 should have translated into meaningful, filling throat topic support were 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.520 a dead end. It was clear that no one in 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:07.040 the group was interested enough to move forward. At that point, 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.440 I concluded Epstein would never deliver on his promises. I 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.760 told him we would go no further and stopped communicating 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.200 or meeting with him. No vehicle for charitable giving was 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.480 ever created, and no funds were raised. So he claims 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.760 all of his interactions with Epstein ended in December of 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.360 twenty fourteen, and he made the point to say that 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.040 was four years before new reports in the press shed 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.320 light on the extent of his crimes. Look, I was 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:38.439 doing investigative reporting on him in twenty sixteen, so maybe 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.160 he could say it was a few years away from 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.720 a renewed interest in what Epstein was doing. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:46.240 But this was in the height of his criminal activity. 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:50.480 Help me with the convictions in Florida were twenty seven 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.800 Oh my god. Okay, So he fires it up with 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.760 his guy in twenty eleven, yes, twenty fourteen, correct, fifteen? 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:58.280 Correct? 0:10:58.400 --> 0:10:59.400 Okay, all right. 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:06.320 So he claims then that he has an employee engaged 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.959 to engage Epstein into negotiating the separation, that they were 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:16.480 going to formally not be doing business together. But then 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.040 he says it was after this that I learned Epstein 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:23.839 had become aware of sensitive information about my personal life, 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.120 including the fact that I have been unfaithful in my marriage. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.079 These affairs had nothing to do with my interactions with Epstein, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.200 but they were painful for my family. As the public 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.400 can now see based on what has been released in 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:40.720 the files, Epstein was working to use information about my infidelities, 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.800 in addition to many lies that he layered on top 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.400 to pressure me to re engage with him. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:47.959 He was unsuccessful in. 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.080 This effort, but it shows some of the ways he 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:55.520 tried to leverage his interactions with me to further his agenda. Look, 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.080 if he had no personal connection, no personal relationship with him, 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.319 if this were just a few business meetings that went nowhere, 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:06.280 how did Epstein have all this information about women and 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:10.040 drugs and STDs and all of these other things. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.439 You know what, I wouldn't be surprised if Epstein had 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.400 his ways. Now, that's one thing I can I would 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.720 believe based on what we know about this guy. He 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.320 just knew stuff, and he knew how to get information. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:22.880 He knew how to get into a room, he knew 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.240 how to get people together. He just seemed like a 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:29.520 guy who would have a file on everybody he does 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:30.240 work with. 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.000 Right, But it's just interesting if you know that Jeffrey 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:37.679 Epstein was known to gather women from around the world 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:41.800 to be around these powerful men with money, it just 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.800 seems strange that that was independent of Epstein, that he 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.840 apparently had affairs with Russian girls. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.679 You were saying he would have been rolling with Epstein 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:52.840 for some of his gig. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.440 That is the implicator, and that is what you would think. 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.840 It'd be strange that those two things weren't connected in 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:58.520 a same way. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.280 And I had them disconnect because of the underage nature 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.400 of a lot of what Epstein was doing. And we 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.199 should say, if we haven't yet, Bill Gates has not 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:12.040 been accused in any way of any criminals, not as. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.840 Consenting adults, consenting adults as who he has admitted to 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:17.120 having affairs. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:21.439 And those folks he was involved with are not connected 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.080 to Jeffrey Epstein. Now, Rhodes, I haven't done with you. 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:25.760 Maybe a lot of people are doing what you're doing. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.880 I didn't do that. I didn't put the two things together. 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:30.720 And they might not go together, but it's hard to 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.640 imagine that there isn't a space where they could. So 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.679 I think that's where he's trying to distance himself, obviously 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.680 from those two things being connected, but they're in the 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:44.400 same vein the age obviously significant and certainly the women 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.240 who have been named, and there have been names, have 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.920 acknowledged a relationship that was consensual, So there's no criminal 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.920 implication for Bill Gates, but he went on to say, 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.760 I should never have met with Epstein in the first place, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.680 based on what I know now, I understand that even 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.720 if he had delivered the new donors he promised, it 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.520 would not have justified associating with him. And he goes 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.280 on to acknowledge that just by being associated with Bill Gates, 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:16.920 by allowing him into his life, he legitimized a criminal, 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:21.960 He legitimized the pedophile, at least by his association with him. 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:26.160 So he is acknowledging that because now he has even 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.080 more clout because he's rolling. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.400 With Bill Gates exactly exactly. 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.360 And so this was the big thing that Gates testified 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.240 to that made headlines. He went on to say, meeting 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:41.480 with Epstein was a grave error in judgment and put 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.520 this work at risk, meaning his philanthropic work. 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.040 His behavior was. 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.560 Antithetical to all my efforts to contribute to a world 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.480 where everyone has a chance to live a healthy and 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.960 productive life. If the time I spent with Epstein lent 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:01.000 him any credibility, I am deeply sorry, learned a significant 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.920 lesson and am now far more careful about who I 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.480 engage with, even in a limited capacity. That seems so 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.720 strange for the billionaire who founded Microsoft to have to say, now, 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:13.080 upon reflection. 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.040 I have to be careful about who I let it in. 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.920 My way, I've learned the lesson now what really fine. 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.160 But again, it's kind of one of those things. If 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.119 somebody you respect that much walks in here and introduces 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.720 you to a guy, you would just say, fine, this 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.080 person has to be legit. There are plenty of people 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.080 in our lives. Well, I don't know why straight hand 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.880 comes the mind. If somebody like that, a friend, somebody 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.560 you're close to, somebody you know is good in business, 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.840 introduces you to somebody, they are immediately legitimate in your eyes? 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:40.280 Are they not? 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.880 It does lend them credibility, But it's still when you're 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.800 the person who Bill Gates was even at that time, 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.000 you still have to do your own due diligence. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.120 Don't get me wrong. We google it makes everybody all right. 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.520 When we come back, we're gonna tell you what the 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.600 lawmakers who were grilling Gates for those six hours, by 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.960 the way, what they had to say about his testimony, 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:09.800 and who the next very powerful man this committee wants 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:22.200 to bring in to ask some questions about welcome back 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.320 everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:25.880 We are talking about. 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.960 A pretty stunning scene on Capitol Hill. One of the 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.880 most powerful men in the world, billionaire Bill Gates, Microsoft 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:38.240 fonder under oath, testifying before a House committee about his 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:43.560 relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And we did get his opening statement. 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.320 He released it actually on the Gates Foundation website. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.800 But what we didn't get to see. 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.240 And we do usually get these transcripts at some point 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:55.280 in time, was the grilling that he underwent for six hours, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.600 with lawmakers from both sides of the aisle asking him 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.680 detailed questions, and when they came out during breaks, they 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.520 were offering different assessments about how he was doing or 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:09.960 what what was happening inside and it depended on who 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:11.719 you asked what their reaction was. 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:13.680 Shocking, I know, but it was odd. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.479 It wasn't simply split along party lines, that was it. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.240 No, I don't think so. So we had geopay GOP 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.040 representative Tim. 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.320 And I ended on a preposition when I tossed a 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.280 break and the wrong preposition. But let's just say some 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:31.840 of us only got two and a half hours of 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.959 sleep last night. Thank you next, but thank you next seriously, 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:36.040 thank you next, yes. 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:37.520 Okay, all right. 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:43.359 Uh. Congressman Burchett described the questioning as intense. Republican there 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:47.720 a Democrat came out and said Gates was combative and 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:52.679 not terribly forthcoming or candid, so that wasn't exactly a 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:58.480 glowing account of what happened. The top ranking Democrat, Congressman Garcia, 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:03.880 described gates act as a horrific judgment call and said 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.520 that Gates did push back on some of the questioning, 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.720 but he did say he is answering the questions. So look, 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.399 either it sounds like he was combative in moments, some 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:19.080 people felt like he wasn't being transparent or forthcoming, and 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.239 to hear that it was intense. So I'm interested in 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.159 the transcript. I have no idea. I think he testified 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.199 one other time Gates did many many years ago, and 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.560 it was also described as intense. 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:33.399 Isn't this How have they been in their turnarounds for 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:34.200 the transcripts? 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:36.000 We use again a few bits a couple of days, 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.879 a couple of days we get to see how exactly 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:39.360 it went. 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.960 But look, this is a continuing process for this House 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:43.840 Oversight Committee. 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.639 James Comer has been very vocal about who he'd like 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:53.000 to have sitting there facing members of Congress. He wants 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:59.280 Alan Dershowitz next. And look, Alan Dershowitz has been a 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:04.080 cent figure in the Jeffrey Epstein saga. Look my interview 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.800 with Virginia's Euphrey all those years ago that never aired. 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:12.440 She talked specifically about Dershowitz, and he has been very 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:16.520 vocal in his denials about having anything to do with 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.520 any of the young women who were abused. But some 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:23.800 of these young women, women, especially Virginia, said otherwise. So, yeah, 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:29.080 it would be very interesting to hear what prominent former 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.760 Harvard lawyer Alan Dershowitz would have to say. He would 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.119 definitely have to be compelled to testify. He is not 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.600 coming voluntarily. I feel very certain about. 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.440 That, and I feel like he would have a very 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.159 good legal argument for why you can't compel him to 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.400 come testify. Oh my, how that showdown. There's no talk 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.440 of subpoena and sending a subpoena to him just at this. 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:52.440 Not yet, I think the wording was Committee Chair James 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:56.280 Comer said he is planning to ask attorney Alan. 0:19:56.119 --> 0:20:00.239 Dershowitz to appear. That sounds very luck with that very 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:00.879 black comber. 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.080 He said he's also been in communication with the DOJ 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.919 because they would also like Attorney General Todd Blanche to 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.120 come in for questioning as well. And of course Blanche, 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.439 I think everyone can remember, very famously sat down with 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.680 Gallaine Maxwell and shortly after that big sit down interview, 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:24.080 she was transferred to a minimum security camp fed a 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:29.320 hotel in Texas that has, you know, just a few locks. 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:33.560 You can't leave, but it's just a hotel. 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:36.199 It's like the Hotel California. 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:40.399 Well, Todd Blanche, isn't he the one didn't Pam BONDI 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:41.960 just throw him under the bus recently? 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:45.200 Yes, okay, yes, but she's out of a job and 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:48.359 he's now the new Attorney general nominee and the acting 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:49.159 Attorney General. 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.760 So look, this is far from over. This has been fascinating. 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:57.520 Not sure that there have been any massive new revelations 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.359 in all of this, but at least you are seeing 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.639 people held accountable to the point that they're being asked 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.639 formal questions. And eventually we will get to see the 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:09.120 full transcript of what Bill Gates had to say answering 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:10.920 question confirming Robes. 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.840 Yes, he is still on the list. The nineteenth richest 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.719