1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: And you're here. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for choosing the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost Day 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: and Paranormal Podcast Network. Your quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 2: and the unexplained ends here. We invite you to enjoy 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: all our shows we have on this network, and right now, 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with the Santra Channaplain. 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to Coast am employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: our loved ones have survived physical debt and so will we. 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,919 Speaker 1: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife on our episode today, 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: I want to share with you more doctors, more stories. 19 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: It's so easy to think that most doctors don't believe 20 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: in the afterlife when I actually think they do. But 21 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: doctors are just like you and me by nature of 22 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: being a human being. We need people to like us, 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: or at least get along with us, and to do 24 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: controversial things and share controversial beliefs. That ego voice that 25 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: we all have wants to keep us safe, so it 26 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: tells us better not share what we think. We may 27 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: lose friends, we may lose families. These are just some 28 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: stories of doctors who are not afraid to share their beliefs. 29 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: So this one comes from a Lubbock, Texas Doctors admit 30 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: they don't like to talk about end of life experiences 31 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: for fear they may be ridiculed. But we found one 32 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: doctor who wanted to share all that she has seen 33 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: and heard on her last day of work before retiring. 34 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: For more than twenty years, doctor Melanie Oglander has walked 35 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: the halls of Hope treating patients with cancer and other 36 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: life threatening illnesses, trying at least to ease their pain. 37 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: She says, each cross on the wall tells a story, 38 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: a gift from the family who leaves this tribute to 39 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: the one they have lost. Some stories bring a chuckle, 40 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: others pull at your heartstrings. She pulls one cross off 41 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: the wall and explains they took her favorite teapot, busted 42 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: it and set it in this cross in honor of her. 43 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: Dozens of crosses are buried into the walls of this 44 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: palliative care unit at Covenant Health System. Each brings an 45 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: end of life experience that doctor Oblander says has changed 46 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: her life, especially the children who have passed. She says, 47 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: they tell me things like they had seen a guest 48 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: in the room. At first, I was like, who came 49 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: into your room in the middle of the night. Doctor 50 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: Oblander admits she began this career with the DNA of 51 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: a doctor, but she says she has seen too much 52 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: to ignore this. One girl told me two men came 53 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: into her room and went Doctor Oblander then mimics her 54 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: hand as if she's motioning for someone to come on in. 55 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: Some might hear stories like that and think the patient 56 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: is showing signs of delirium. The difference, according to hospice experts, 57 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: is the clear headed narrative that comes when patients explain 58 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: an end of life experience. Doctor Oblander gives another example. 59 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: She said they were high up on the wall and 60 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: she told them I'm not ready, and then they just 61 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: bowed and nodded and left. There was another young child 62 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: who had just a short time to live. Her grandmother 63 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: was sitting beside her on the bed when doctor Oblander 64 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: walked into the room. The grandmother told the child to 65 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: explain what she had just seen. The girl told doctor Oblander, 66 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: Jesus came and sat with me. Doctor Melanie Oblander says 67 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: people see amazing things before death, like a man in 68 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: the room dressed in a robe. She says, the kids 69 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: are convincing, but she has heard just as many convincing 70 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: stories from adults at the end of their life. She says, 71 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: you'll see them reach out to pull whoever is up 72 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: there to them. That takes my breath away. Some of 73 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: you know. My father died thirteen months ago. I remember 74 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: seeing him reach into the air just like that, as 75 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: if he were trying to touch someone. Sometimes he would say, 76 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: who is that over there on the ladder, but there 77 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: was no one, no latter in the room. Ten months later. 78 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: My mother died in September. Toward the end, I remember 79 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: her telling me clearly on two different occasions. Ellis came 80 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: to see me today. We had a nice visit. Ellis 81 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: was her brother, but he had died several months earlier. 82 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: I didn't share my personal stories with doctor Oblinder, but 83 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: she shared this rhetorical question with me. So why is 84 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: it over and over and over? It's about someone coming 85 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: to your room and giving you peace, or your mother 86 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: or brother is on the other side beckoning you. Doctor 87 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: Oblinder says she would not have an answer to that 88 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: earlier in her career, but she does now. With tears 89 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: in her eyes, she said, there is a God. I'm 90 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: positive and now I realize God does not inflict pain 91 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: and cancer, and he didn't blow up the Twin Towers. 92 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: He was there when we were there and said come on, 93 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: I gotcha. And I thank the kids for that because 94 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: they taught it to me. I'm sure you'll remember a 95 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: few episodes back with doctor Christopher Kerr and his book 96 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: Death Is But a Dream. I find it so comforting 97 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: that it is normal for around the last month of 98 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: our life and up to the point when we pass 99 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: that our dreams become vivid dreams of our loved ones, 100 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: and we are convinced that they are there with us. 101 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: They want to take us on a trip. They have 102 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: joy in their eyes, and they want us to come 103 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: with them, taking away that fear. So I get it 104 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: when doctor Oblander says, yes there is a God, here's 105 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: another story for you. In two thousand and one, doctor 106 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: Linda Kramer was medically pronounced dead for nearly fifteen minutes 107 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: after visiting her bathroom in the early hours of the 108 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: sixth of May. Miraculously, paramedics managed to revive her, but 109 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: during the time she was being true, she claims that 110 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: she felt like she had been in the afterlife for 111 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: half a decade. Speaking to the YouTube channel NDE Diary, 112 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: Kramer says that in heaven time did not exist how 113 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: we would traditionally perceive it. By determining that she can 114 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: walk around three to six miles per hour on Earth, 115 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: she used that measurement to figure out how much time 116 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: she had spent in heaven. On her journey, she discovered 117 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: that she could take any form and also become other 118 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: people she had met while in heaven. In addition, she 119 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: could transport herself to a specific location just by thinking 120 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: about it. However, the most memorable part was the stunning 121 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: of visuals that she saw. That's when I found myself 122 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: standing in what I termed a field of flowers. I 123 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: was observing the mountain range thirty thousand times huger than 124 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: Mount Everest. There's a huge mountain range over the back 125 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: of wherever I was. I could see buildings with skyscrapers. 126 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: Dubai are like little miniature huts. In comparison, I saw lakes. 127 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: I could see everything in a panoramic view. That was 128 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: doctor Linda Kramer, and here is from doctor Rosenberg from 129 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: Round Lake, Illinois. Cold, pain and fear. That's what Humberto 130 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: Cassis felt when his chest started hurting during a bike 131 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: ride last winter. The only thing he could do as 132 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: he waited for the ambulance was to pray. When I 133 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: started praying, all this fear and the cold and the 134 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: pain in my arms, it went away and I experienced peace, 135 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: he said. He was rushed to Saint Catherine's Hospital in Wisconsin, 136 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: where cardiologist doctor Michael Rosenberg met him for the first time. 137 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: On the operating table, Humberto asked doctor Rosenberg, is this 138 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: a life or death situation. The doctor looked at him 139 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: and said, yes, yes it is. Humberto felt at that 140 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: point his life was ending. Doctor Rosenberg confirmed that he 141 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: had the widow maker legion. He suffered two cardiac arrests, 142 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:20,479 Speaker 1: his heart stopped. What happened next was Humberto's incredible experience 143 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: of dying and entering paradise, the path that leads you 144 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: to heaven. Humberto also remembers the unimaginable feeling of peace, rest, 145 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: and relief that washed over him, like the feeling you 146 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: get after a long, long day work, but one thousand 147 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: times more wonderful. It's a beautiful feeling. He said. Your 148 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: soul just lets go. Your soul keeps following the light, 149 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: the light of God. This is where you feel life starts. 150 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: While Humberto was on his heavenly sojourn, he remembers looking 151 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: down and seeing his children on the couch. His wife 152 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: then talks about how after his recovery, he told the 153 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: story to his children and they started crying and said, Dad, 154 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: that's where we were sitting the whole time and praying 155 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: for you. Humberto emphatically discounts the idea. Some may say 156 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: that he was dreaming or hallucinating, because he says the 157 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: experience is engraved in my soul. Doctor Rosenberg confirms that 158 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: other patients have described to him their near death experiences. 159 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: Humberto has a joyful and hopeful message for all those 160 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: mourning the death of a loved one. They don't need 161 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: you to worry because they are in a very good place. 162 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: If you're a longtime listener of the show, you will 163 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: know that the latest research has come out that near 164 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: death experiences are extraordinary experiences and they are definitely not hallucinations. 165 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: Also recently, what's come out is that when people do 166 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: have these near death experiences, they go into what's called 167 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: a gamma brain wave state, similar to the gamma state 168 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: that longtime meditators who feel they reach enlightenment hit that 169 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: same stage. And some of the latest research I've talked 170 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: about just recently was doctors experiencing when some people had died, 171 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: no matter what their brain state was at the time, 172 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: their heart stopped beating, their brain waves shifted to this 173 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: gamma state. So what that tells me is that state 174 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: of being connected to all of reality happens when we pass. 175 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: It's exciting stuff. So death itself is nothing to be feared. 176 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: No one wants the pain, I realize that. But when 177 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: we do pass, it is as simple as closing our 178 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: eyes and opening them again to our loved ones. Our pets, guides, 179 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: and a world that we can't even imagine right now, 180 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: like our world on steroids. Beautiful. Doctor Raymond Moody says, 181 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: I have absolutely no fear of death from my near 182 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: death research and my personal experiences. Death is, in my judgment, 183 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: simply a transition into another kind of reality. Doctor Elizabeth 184 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: Koogler Ross, I've told my children that when I die, 185 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: to release balloons into the sky to celebrate that I 186 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: have graduated. For me, death is simply a graduation. It's 187 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: time to head for our first break. And when we 188 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: come back, we're going to hear some stories from doctors 189 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: who believe in the afterlife. I've got lots in store 190 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: for you, so you just keep on the listening. You're 191 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and 192 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to 193 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. Next, I'd like 194 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: you to hear the story of doctor Lottie Valentine. 195 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 3: So the first one happened after my third child was born, 196 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 3: and this child was born between a seven point four 197 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: and a seven point two earthquake. My life flashed before 198 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: my eyes, and I really thought that that was the 199 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 3: moment I was going to die. Everything in the unit 200 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 3: in the hospital labor ward was shaking. All the tools 201 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 3: on the steel trays were shaking, and they were levitating 202 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 3: up and down, and my labor actually stopped. After about 203 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: thirty minutes, I gave birth and then we had a 204 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: seven point two earthquake. As soon as they gave me 205 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: the baby to hold, I started leaning backwards and just 206 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: screaming for my husband, take the baby, Take the baby. 207 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 3: I was in so much pain. There was a lot 208 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: of blood clots that came out, and the midwives and 209 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: the nurses were massaging my abdomen to try and get 210 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 3: all these cloths to come out, and they kept me 211 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: in the hospital for an extra day to make sure 212 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: that the bleeding had calmed down and everything looked good 213 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: and sent me on my way. 214 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 4: Well. 215 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 3: Ten days later, I hemorrhaged a really large blood clot. 216 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: It was the size of a man's large fist. We 217 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 3: went to the er and my parents were visiting from Europe. 218 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: They were taking care of my two boys that were 219 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: six and three and a half and a newborn baby, 220 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 3: and so we go to the er and they do 221 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: a manual examination, and they told me nothing much was 222 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: going on right now, and there was no lab work done, 223 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: there was no ultrasounds, and they sent me on my 224 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 3: and the next evening the same thing happened again, and 225 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: it was pretty late at night, so I had my 226 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: husband call the hospital and asked what we should do. 227 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: It was decided that I should see the doctor the 228 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: next morning and again a manual inspection, no lab work, 229 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: no ultrasound, nothing, and they sent me on my way. 230 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: Well that evening Friday evening, I herorrhage again. We go 231 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 3: back to the er. They do a manual inspection and 232 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: they say, well, not much is coming out right now. 233 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 3: It could have been another lining, and they kept me 234 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: for observation and they just closed the door to the er. 235 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: I had no bell to ring, no way to call 236 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 3: for help. I was just lying there by myself, and 237 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: eventually I started bleeding again. I was just thinking, oh 238 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: my gosh, I'm finally bleeding in the right time. I'm 239 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 3: in the er and I'm bleeding now. They're going to 240 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 3: figure out something is wrong with me. Eventually a nurse 241 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: comes in to just check on me, and she opens 242 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: that door and she just her jaw just drops to 243 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 3: the floor and she's like, oh, just horrified at the 244 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: site of me lying on this table with all this 245 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 3: blood around me. 246 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: And so I hear the call on the loudspeaker, Obgyn. 247 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: Stack to the er, and all I'm thinking is, well, 248 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: this is good, because finally they're going to figure out 249 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 3: something is actually wrong with me. A middle aged physician 250 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 3: comes running in full speed to the er with a 251 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 3: younger physician in tow and as they examined me, I 252 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: hemorrhage again, and at this point it was the fifth 253 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: time I was hemorrhaging in three days. So I try 254 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 3: to sit up to tell the doctor that I am 255 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: not feeling too good. This doctor obviously had been around 256 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: the block a couple of times, so he knew what 257 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 3: was happening to me, and so he just pushed me 258 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: back down onto the table and they started tipping the 259 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: table backwards, and my head was going towards the floor 260 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: and my feet were going up towards the ceiling. The 261 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 3: whole room filled with hospital staff and my eyes are 262 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: at this point are just closed, and I have a 263 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 3: nurse on my left trying to place an IV but 264 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 3: my veins are collapsing because I'm now going into shock. 265 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 3: As this is going on, the nurse on my right 266 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 3: is quoting my blood pressure. She yells out fifty over fifteen. 267 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: Hurry. 268 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: So I am completely aware that I am dying, which 269 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: is very different from when I was giving birth and 270 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: in that earthquake, when I had life flashed before my 271 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: eyes and thinking, oh my gosh, this is it. I'm 272 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: going to die. This was a knowing. I knew that 273 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 3: I was dying. And it was shortly after this moment 274 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 3: that felt like I was starting to get pulled out 275 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 3: of my body. And I was a complete atheist at 276 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 3: the time. I was very scientific and my worldview was 277 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 3: very materialistic. I had no beliefs in the afterlife, in 278 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 3: soul survival, nothing. I'm pleading with God, just please let 279 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: me live. I have three children under the age of six. 280 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 3: They need a mother. And it was shortly after that 281 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 3: that I got pulled out of my body. I find 282 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 3: myself hovering about three or four feet above my body. 283 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: As I'm outside my body. My first thought is how 284 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 3: can I be outside my body and still be me? 285 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: Because I had no belief in soul survival or that 286 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 3: that could even happen. There's also a knowing that I 287 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 3: belonged to the body down there, just like you know 288 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: you live in your house or your apartment, or you 289 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 3: know which cars you are step belongs to you you 290 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 3: step inside. I had just stepped outside my body. But 291 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 3: there was also a knowing that there was no time 292 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: in this state. There's also this peace and unconditional love, 293 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 3: just very peaceful. There wasn't a panic at all. The 294 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 3: panic was right before I left my body, but once 295 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 3: I was outside, I was just an amazement. How can 296 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 3: I How can I be me and be outside my body? 297 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 3: So now I find myself tumbling through darkness. There was 298 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 3: no tunnel. People talk about the tunnel. For me, it 299 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 3: was just sort of humbling. 300 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: Through outer space. 301 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: That's what it felt like. But then I arrived to 302 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: what I call the mid station, because it was as 303 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 3: if you go into an skyscraper and there are a 304 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: one hundred floors, but you push the button for the 305 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 3: fiftieth floor and you get off at floor fifty, and 306 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 3: you know there are levels below you in the skyscraper, 307 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 3: and you know that there are levels above you. That 308 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 3: was the feeling where I arrived to this place, that 309 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: there were levels above me and levels below me. But 310 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 3: when I get to this place without my body, I'm 311 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 3: just in spirit form. I hear the most beautiful music 312 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 3: you can ever imagine, more beautiful than any music that 313 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 3: you can make on the earth plane. I turn my 314 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 3: spirit towards the right, and I see a log cabin, 315 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 3: very small log cabin, almost the size of the sauna. 316 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 3: And I opened the door and I look inside, but 317 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: it's empty. So then I turned towards the left, and 318 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 3: I see the exact same image that I saw on 319 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 3: the right, another log cabin, just the mirror image of it. 320 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 3: And I opened the door and I look inside, but 321 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: it's empty. So I'm wondering where this beautiful music is 322 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: coming from. And as I'm standing there between these two 323 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 3: log cabins, I become aware of this growing white light, 324 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 3: almost like a fog of bright light is rolling in 325 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 3: behind you. And as I turn my spirit body behind, 326 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: I become completely enveloped in this beautiful, magnificent white light 327 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: that is just extending out into infinity. This pure white 328 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 3: light is a knowing that I am with divine Source 329 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 3: or God or whatever you want to call that, but 330 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 3: that is what we come from. That light is just pure, 331 00:20:54,920 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 3: unconditional love, we carry that light inside of us, are 332 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 3: part of this light. We return to this light when 333 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 3: we go to the other side, when we leave the 334 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 3: physical world. But in this right magnificent white light, there 335 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 3: is an outline of angels and the music is coming 336 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 3: from the angels, and it's almost like an angelic choir. 337 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 3: It's the closest description I have of this. And I'm thinking, 338 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 3: as I'm staring at these knowing that I'm with Divine Source, 339 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 3: knowing that the music is coming from these angels, why 340 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 3: am I seeing angels? I don't believe in angels. Why 341 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: do I think I'm with Divine Source or God? I 342 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 3: don't believe in God. So it's fascinating that I had 343 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: this experience, but it wasn't my belief system. But then 344 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 3: I become aware of two spirit guides, and the one 345 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 3: on the right is telepathically communicating with the one diagonally 346 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: to the left in front of me, and he says, 347 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 3: what is she doing here? She can't be here, she 348 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 3: has to go back, And I say, no, no, no, 349 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 3: how can I still be me and be outside on 350 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 3: my body? And the spirit guide on my left says, 351 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 3: if I told you you wouldn't remember but you will 352 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: remember this like images just sort of appear, and it 353 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: is as if I'm standing on the Moon and I'm 354 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 3: looking down onto the Earth from outer space. But around 355 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 3: the Earth there is what I called a silvery glittery 356 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: fish net, because I grew up in northern Europe and 357 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 3: I rode that little boat for my grandmother as she 358 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 3: laid fish nets in the ocean to catch fish for 359 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 3: the family to eat. And when she lifted those nets 360 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 3: out of the ocean in the early morning sun, the 361 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: water droplets would sort of shimmer and glitter in the sunlight. 362 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: So to me, that looked like a silvery glittery fish net. 363 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: And the spirit guide said, everything on Earth is connected 364 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 3: to each other, but everything on Earth is connected up 365 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 3: to this grid. And with that information I got sent 366 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 3: back to Earth. But that information has stayed with me, 367 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: and that clairvoyance and Clare audience and Clare sentience just 368 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: kept developing more and more and more after these experiences. 369 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 3: After twelve years of having all these clairvoyant and Clare 370 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 3: audient experiences, I got a message from the spirit world 371 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 3: and I knew that the spirit world had dropped in 372 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: on me, and I had decided that. 373 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: I should go back to work. 374 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 3: It had been twelve years, my kids were teenagers now, 375 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 3: and I was looking for a degree. And I found 376 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 3: a medical school for nature pathic medicine that combines herbal 377 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: medicine and Chinese medicine with pharmaceutical and western medicine. And 378 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 3: I realized it was a medical school, and I said, 379 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: there is no way I can't go to medical school. 380 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 3: I mean, in my forties, I can't do this. I 381 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: closed the computer, I started walking towards the kitchen, and 382 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: the spirit world dropped in on me and said, you 383 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 3: have to become an You are to combine East and West, 384 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 3: you to bring messages and healing to the people. I 385 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: was enrolled in my prerec classes literally within a week 386 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: or two, and I went to medical school after completing 387 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 3: all of that. And I had to start from the 388 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 3: beginning with high school biology because I was a computer 389 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 3: science and business major as an undergraduate and went to 390 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: medical school when I was fifty four and graduated in 391 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. But these experiences to trust those messages happened 392 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 3: because for twelve years I kept getting information about people 393 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 3: being sick in the family, or people were going to 394 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 3: pass away. Relatives would stop in and say they had 395 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 3: passed on, and then I wasn't even aware. One example 396 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 3: would be my uncle passed away and he came to 397 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 3: say that he had passed on to the other side. 398 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 3: And I expected my mother to call me from Sweden, 399 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 3: where I grew up in northern Europe, to let me 400 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 3: know that her brother had passed away. 401 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: But she didn't call me the next day. 402 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 3: And I waited, and I figured, well, maybe I'm wrong, 403 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 3: maybe I got the wrong message. Waited the next day, 404 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 3: no a call from my mom, and then finally on 405 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 3: the third day, my mom calls and she said, I 406 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 3: have something sad to share with you. And I said, yes, 407 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 3: I know. Your brother passed away, you know, two or 408 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 3: three days ago. And she said, how did you know? 409 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 3: And I said, he was here. 410 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: Thank you, Doctor Lottie Valentine. Let's go to the break 411 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: and we'll be back. You're listening to Shades of the 412 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 413 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm 414 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain and this episode is more doctors and more stories. 415 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: You're going to hear now from four physicians. Doctor Jeff Long, 416 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: doctor Melvin Morse, doctor Tony Lawrence, and doctor Richard Kent, 417 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: all medical doctors. 418 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 5: Well. As the name near death experience implies, these people 419 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 5: have some event in which they are severely physically compromised. Generally, 420 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 5: there's a severe physical malady that occurs very suddenly, often 421 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 5: or at the end of a chronic illness. Near death 422 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 5: experiences are very frequently associated with cessation of heart function 423 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 5: or cessation of breathing function, and very often both. And 424 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 5: given that ten seconds after that that the EEG, a 425 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 5: measure of brain electrical activity, goes absolutely flat, it's medically 426 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 5: inexplicable that near death experiencers are having a conscious experience. 427 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,239 Speaker 5: There's so much more evidence behind something more going on 428 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 5: with near death experience is something that is not medically explicable. 429 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 5: There are blind people, including people that are blind from birth, 430 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 5: that have near death experiences, and for most of them, 431 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 5: it's a visual experience that is absolutely medically inexplicable. These 432 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 5: are people that are blind that for the first experience 433 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 5: in their life where they've had vision and can see 434 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 5: things in the world was during their near death experience. 435 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 5: There is no other explanation for that. Time and time again, 436 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 5: we hear accounts of people that had their near death 437 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 5: experience and their consciousness separates from their body. So from 438 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 5: a vantage point of their consciousness apart from their body, 439 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 5: they're able to see and hear what's going on around 440 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 5: them while they're being resuscitated. Very often they can see 441 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 5: incredible detail of the events going on around them. Out 442 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 5: of all the near death experiencers that I've studied that 443 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 5: had their consciousness come apart from their body and where 444 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 5: they were seeing earthly everyday events, essentially all of them, 445 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 5: what they describe has been absolutely plausible. And of all 446 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 5: the near death experiences I've seen who actually went and 447 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 5: sought out verification of what they saw while their consciousness 448 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 5: was apart from the body, every single time, with only 449 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 5: one exception, what they saw was as or heard was 450 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 5: absolutely correct, and there is no explanation for that for 451 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 5: consciousness apart from the body at the time you're having 452 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 5: a cardiopulmonary arrest. To people that think that near death 453 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 5: experience is not legitimate, I would remind them that there's 454 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 5: at least twelve to fifteen million Americans that have had 455 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 5: near death experience. This is such an enormous number of 456 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 5: a shared experience that so greatly affects their life that 457 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 5: no matter what the cause of near death experience, no 458 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 5: matter what your idea is about why it occurs, I 459 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 5: think there's no question, given the number of lives that 460 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 5: it's impacted, that it makes sense to study it. It's 461 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 5: an incredible phenomenon, and again the implications are enormous. 462 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 6: The near death experience is in fact the dying experience. 463 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 6: We will all have this experience when we die. The 464 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 6: interpretation of experience is in dispute. Nevertheless, it's a scientific fact, 465 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 6: not a belief system, that we will have this experience 466 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 6: when we die. There have been three major scientific studies 467 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 6: of near death experiences in the last fifteen years, and 468 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 6: all three of these studies document that these experiences are 469 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 6: real and they'll happen to us all when we die. 470 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 6: So the old ideas that these experiences are caused by 471 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 6: a lack of oxygen to the brain, or are hallucinations 472 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 6: caused by chaos and the brain at the point of 473 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 6: death are caused by the drugs that are given to 474 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 6: patients so that we resuscitate when we're dying. Those ideas were, 475 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 6: of course respectable scientific theories, but turned out to not 476 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 6: be true. In fact, near death experiences are the dying experience, 477 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 6: and that's a scientific fact, not an opinion. 478 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 7: I think in certain in terms of the consistency of 479 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 7: testimonies in their death experiences, it suggests that the experiences 480 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 7: of reality, which is not purely the product of brain chemicals, 481 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 7: because we know from studies of the effects of drugs 482 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 7: ordinarily that if you give one person a drug and 483 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,239 Speaker 7: then give the same drug to another person and have 484 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 7: two completely different experiences, there might be broad similarities, but 485 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 7: not the level of consistency you find with the near 486 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 7: death experience. 487 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 5: Hallucinations tend to be very disordered experiences, and they're nothing 488 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 5: like the highly ordered and structured experience that you have 489 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 5: with near death experience. On my website, I specifically asked 490 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 5: the question was the experience dreamlike in any way? And 491 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 5: I've actually recently done a formal study of that. Near 492 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 5: death experiencers are emphatic when asked directly, and I did, 493 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 5: was the experience dreamlike in any way? The answer is 494 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 5: a resounding no. It isn't close at all to a dream. 495 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 5: Dreams tend to bounce around a little bit. They don't 496 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 5: tend not to have an order structure. Very often a 497 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 5: dream will end without it reaching a logical conclusion in 498 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 5: the sequence of events. Not so with near death experiences. 499 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 5: They're highly structured, highly ordered. They tend to have a 500 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 5: very logical initial part of the experience, and at the 501 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 5: end of a very orderly and structured experience, there's a 502 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 5: very orderly and structured end, structured end of the experience, 503 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 5: and that's when the experience ends. Near death experiences are 504 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 5: nothing like dreams. If you've had a frightening near death 505 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 5: experience like some of those that I've described, there is 506 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 5: no question that when you have that experience, this forces 507 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 5: you to look at yourself. This is something that really 508 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 5: shakes up your life in a major way. You've really 509 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 5: got to sit down with yourself and ask yourself, why 510 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 5: did this happen? What's really going on here? Is this 511 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 5: the reality? It really forces you to understand what is 512 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 5: the reality of what's going to happen when I die. 513 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 4: It's just a horrendous, awful place. It's a place where 514 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 4: people are terrified, are frightened. People even just who've seen 515 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 4: how even years later, they record in horror what they 516 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 4: saw there. Just a place of awfulness I've interviewed probably 517 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 4: over three hundred people who've had these experiences, and all 518 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 4: of them have been dramatically changed. Their lives have been 519 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 4: changed by these near death experiences. You can't say that 520 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 4: up about hallucinations. Hallucinations simply aren't life changing experiences, whereas 521 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 4: near death experiences, when you meet Jesus Christ and either 522 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 4: see heaven or Hell, they are dramatic, riveting, life changing experiences, 523 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 4: and almost invariably people's lives are dramatically altered as a 524 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 4: result of these experiences. So personally, and also because of 525 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 4: the fact that their near death experience accounts are so 526 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 4: remarkably similar, not only to each other, but also to 527 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 4: the Bible, I personally believe that these are real events, 528 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 4: and people are describing real events. If you read any 529 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 4: newspaper today, you'll talk about You'll read about people having 530 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 4: a near death experience of a type, leaving their body 531 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 4: and going along a tunnel and meet and going to 532 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 4: a place of light. 533 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 8: It's only one. 534 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 4: Who get that, those who get really close to who 535 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 4: recognize Jesus Christ. They describe him as nearly six foot 536 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 4: tall for radiating light, tremendous amount of light coming from 537 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 4: him from his face, and from his chest, and from 538 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 4: his arms and from his legs. But isn't just the 539 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 4: appearance of Jesus. It's the fact that they feel in 540 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 4: the presence of so much love. Many people said they 541 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 4: never felt that, never felt like that, that never felt 542 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 4: so completely surrounded by love as powerful as that. 543 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: Next here's doctor Bruce Grayson. 544 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 8: Most near death experiences around the world talk about an 545 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 8: increased sense of spirituality after a near death experience, by 546 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 8: which they mean roughly a sense of connectedness to other people, 547 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 8: to nature, to the universe, to the divine. One of 548 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 8: the questions that people often ask about near death experience 549 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 8: is whether they provide proof that we survive death. They 550 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 8: don't provide proof for other people. They certainly provide proof 551 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 8: for the experiencer, but not for the rest of us. 552 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 8: But there are some experiences that do provide something that's 553 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 8: at least evidence of, not proof, And those are cases 554 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 8: in which the experiencer encounters a deceased individual who was 555 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 8: not known at the time to have died. One person 556 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 8: that I know, Jack, was hospitalized in his mid twenties, 557 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 8: and he had one nurse who worked with them every day, 558 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 8: and one day she told him that she was going 559 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 8: to be taking a long weekend off and there'd be 560 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 8: other nurses substituting for her, and while she was gone, 561 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 8: he had another respiratory arrest where he had to be resuscitated, 562 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 8: and during that arrest he had a near death experience 563 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 8: in which he found himself in a beautiful pastoral scene 564 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 8: and there, too is surprise, was this nurse, Anita, walking 565 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 8: towards him, and she said, Jack, you can't stay here 566 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 8: with me. You need to go back into your body, 567 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 8: and I want you to find my parents and tell 568 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 8: them that I love them and I'm sorry I wrecked 569 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 8: the red MGB. He then woke up back on his 570 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 8: body in his hospital bed, tried to tell this to 571 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 8: the first nurse who walked into his room. She got 572 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 8: very upset and left the room in a hurry. It 573 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 8: turned out that this nurse of his, Anita, had taken 574 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 8: the weekend off to celebrate her birthday, and her parents 575 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 8: had surprised her with the gift of her red MGB 576 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 8: for her twenty first birthday. She got very e sighted, 577 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 8: jumped in the car, took off for a drive, lost control, 578 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 8: crashed into a telephone pole, and died just a few 579 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 8: hours before Jack's near death experience. Now, there's no way 580 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 8: he could have known or expected that she was going 581 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 8: to be dead, and certainly no way he could have 582 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 8: known how she died, and yet he did. And that 583 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 8: seems to be evidence that something about this nurse Anita 584 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 8: still persisted after her death and was able to communicate 585 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 8: accurate information to Jack. Does that mean we live forever? 586 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 8: Not necessarily, it certainly means something about our mind can 587 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 8: survive death of the body, at least for a time. 588 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,479 Speaker 8: Virtually every near death expiraiture that I've talked to has said, 589 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 8: without any doubt in their minds that we do continue 590 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 8: after death. No matter how they describe their ende. They 591 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 8: describe having existed without their physical bodies, when their physical 592 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 8: bodies were essentially dead, and yet they were feeling better 593 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 8: than ever. There's got to be more to the world 594 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 8: than just the physical realm to explain these events. I 595 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 8: think the ultimate question raised by near death experiences is 596 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 8: what are we as human beings? Are we just physical machines? 597 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 8: Are we spiritual beings? Are we some amalgam of both. 598 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 8: I don't know the answers, but now I'm much more 599 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 8: comfortable with not having the answers. I think the important 600 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 8: part of near death experiences is what they tell us 601 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 8: about this life wherein now that we're all interconnected, though 602 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 8: we aren't individual people, but we're part of something greater. 603 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: One of the doctors talked about negative near death experiences. 604 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: It's a very very small percentage of people that have 605 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: these and what causes them. Does it mean there's really 606 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: a hell? I don't think so. When we have near 607 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: death experiences, it has shown that what we believe in 608 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: appears for us. So people who believe in Christianity, there's Jesus. 609 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: People who are atheists might have a representation of just 610 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: a light. I've spoken to people that have tried taken 611 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: their own life and they have had negative experiences that 612 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: told them I want to live. Also, depending on our 613 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: state of mind or the fear, things could show up negatively. 614 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: But then there's always that little bit of light that 615 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: they're drawn to that shows them the bigger picture. So 616 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 1: let's go to the break and we'll be back. You're 617 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and 618 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: Coast to Post Am Paranormal podcast Network. Welcome back to 619 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. How many doctors 620 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: stories is enough? You might ask, is more better than less? Well, absolutely, 621 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,320 Speaker 1: it is being human. Our ego minds want to convince 622 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: us that the rest of the world doesn't believe in 623 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: the afterlife, and that if we open our mouths, people 624 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: will think we're crazy. So if we have enough doctors, 625 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: and enough scientists, and enough atheists, and enough regular people 626 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:56,240 Speaker 1: who talk about these extraordinary experiences, then the tipping point 627 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: can eventually occur when we realize more people talk about 628 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: this then don't and you can have a backbone to 629 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: share what some of the leading science and doctors are doing. 630 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: Then I think we're free to talk about our beliefs 631 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: instead of that crazy mind of ours saying if you 632 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 1: tell people, they're going to think you're crazy. If you 633 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: review past episodes of Shades of the Afterlife, there's been 634 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: dozens of doctors that we've heard stories from. In this 635 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: episode alone. By the time we're done, there'll be ten 636 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,720 Speaker 1: or eleven different stories you've heard from doctors. Hopefully that'll 637 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 1: make a difference to you to know that medical personnel 638 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 1: believe in the afterlife. So here's a story of a 639 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 1: physician who wishes to remain nameless, who added a story 640 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 1: just recently to theians dot org list of near death experiences. 641 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,720 Speaker 1: He or she says, I had been ill with chest pain, fever, headache, 642 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 1: night sweats for about a week, but had not missed work. 643 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: We were short staffed. I could walk and think. I 644 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: just wore a mask around the patients. I finished rounds 645 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 1: and went to the urgent care clinic. Scans showed suspicious 646 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: nodules in my lungs. A cat scan of my chest 647 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 1: resulted in me being many flighted to a CVICU after 648 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: being diagnosed with a dissecting aortic aneurism. After arrival at 649 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,240 Speaker 1: the care center, a regular echo cardiogram did not support 650 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: the diagnosis of an aortic aneurysm. I was sedated due 651 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: to erratic high blood pressure and went to the OAR 652 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: with plans for katheo thoracic surgery and was prepped for 653 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: heart bypass and intubated. They go on with much of 654 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: the procedure that was happening. It was en route to 655 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: this procedure that the near death experience occurred. I was 656 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: chatting with my nurse who was pushing me down a 657 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: long underground empty tunnel in a wheelchair. As we approached 658 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: the elevator, I realized that I was losing my vision. 659 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: It worsened and I mentioned it to my nurse. She 660 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: asked if I needed to return to the CVICU, and 661 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: I told her I think so, as I could no 662 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: longer see and I was losing my hearing. I tried 663 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: to put my head down but was about to fall 664 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 1: out of the wheelchair, and she yanked me upright by 665 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: my hair and gown. That is the last thing I recall. 666 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: The next recollection I had is being in a vast, 667 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: seemingly endless space filled with brilliant white light. I recall 668 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: no limits on perception, no binocular vision, but panoramic, spherical 669 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty degree vision. I spent what seemed 670 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,280 Speaker 1: like a long time, certainly not minutes, hours, or days, 671 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 1: more like weeks, months, eons. Time was meaningless. I was 672 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: with a group of beings that I felt I had 673 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: known for a very long time, seems like more than 674 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: twelve and less than twenty five. I have a vague 675 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: recollection of having my earthly experiences downloaded and having a 676 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: great reunion with these beings, and a great period of 677 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: relaxation and recuperation. Communication was nonverbal and instantaneous. It involved 678 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: relaying entire occurrences, concepts, and events with associated emotions, not 679 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 1: just words and sentences. Eventually, a consensus was reached that 680 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: I should return to the life I had as it 681 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: was unfinished. I don't recall how I appeared, but recall 682 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: how the other beings appeared as I departed from them. 683 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: They were brilliant jewel bright points of scintillating light, only 684 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,760 Speaker 1: two colors though, emerald green and deep purple. I recall 685 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,240 Speaker 1: them receding into the distance. The next memory is being 686 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,840 Speaker 1: a point of consciousness hovering. I don't recall any sound. 687 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: I was back to having binocular vision, and my entire 688 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: field of vision was taken up by what I eventually 689 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: realized was a face. I recall pondering the significance of 690 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: this thing and eventually realized it was a being, but 691 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: recall feeling pity for it and perceiving it as child like. 692 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: I felt a sense of compassion as I recognized it 693 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,320 Speaker 1: was suffering. I recall the eyes staring and the mouth 694 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,280 Speaker 1: being open. With the feeling of compassion, came an instantaneous 695 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: sense of connection, and I was suddenly flipped one hundred 696 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: and eighty degrees and sucked back into the face. Body 697 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,800 Speaker 1: and the memory of who I was and the circumstances 698 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: of where I was I could hear again, and I 699 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 1: could hear the medical staff yelling orders. I was drenched 700 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: in sweat and felt awful and very weak and hurt 701 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: all over. Later I learned I had a seizure. I 702 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: recall opening my eyes and seeing outward as if looking 703 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: out of a narrow tunnel, central vision only, and looking 704 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: up to see a bald headed man leaning over me 705 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: above the tunnel. Someone on my left was fumbling under 706 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: my gown trying to put on defib relater pads, then 707 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: asked should I take them off? Someone else yelled no, 708 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: we may lose them again. About the same time I 709 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: was thinking that I must have just died. The story 710 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: goes on for quite a bit here, so I won't 711 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: read it to you, But this person did have a 712 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: cardiac arrest and did flatline. So it's an extraordinary story, 713 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: again by a medical doctor, and one more for you. 714 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: A retired end of life doctor has revealed what happens 715 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: when you die. Doctor Catherine Mannix specializes in palliative and 716 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: end of life care, and describes the transition to death 717 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: as a process mirroring birth. She has used her thirty 718 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,360 Speaker 1: years in the profession to inspire her to write books 719 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: with the end in mind and listen, and believes when 720 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: the time comes, it is probably not as bad as 721 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 1: you're expecting. Doctor Mannix is keen to break down the 722 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: taboo around the subject and encourage people to talk about 723 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: dying more. She said the whole journey is made much 724 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: easier for the person who's coming to the end of 725 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: their life and their family if everything is kept up front. 726 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: She says we've lost the rich wisdom of normal human 727 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: dying and it's time for us to start talking about 728 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 1: dying and reclaim that wisdom. Dying, like giving birth, really 729 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 1: is just a process. People become more tired, more weary 730 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,320 Speaker 1: as time goes by. People sleep more and they're less awake. 731 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,240 Speaker 1: She has seen her own patients how they can slip 732 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: in and out of consciousness as they get closer to 733 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: the end, and will often wake up saying that they've 734 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: had a good sleep. Doctor Mannix said it's clear that 735 00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: it generally doesn't feel frightening in such scenarios and is 736 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 1: often quite relaxing for the patient. What is described as 737 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: the death rattle, she said, is actually a sign someone 738 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: is deeply relaxed and is so deeply unconscious that they 739 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,399 Speaker 1: are not feeling that tickle of saliva as the air 740 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,800 Speaker 1: bubbles in and out. At the very end of somebody's life, 741 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,839 Speaker 1: there will be a period of shallow breathing and then 742 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,440 Speaker 1: one out breath that just isn't followed by another in breath. 743 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's so gentle that families don't even notice that 744 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,760 Speaker 1: it's happened. We went on to say, normal human dying 745 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 1: is really a gentle process, something we can recognize, something 746 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 1: we can prepare for, and something we can manage. I 747 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 1: chose to end with that story because it is natural 748 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 1: for us to fear death. But it is as simple 749 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: as falling asleep and opening our eyes to a place 750 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 1: very similar to earth, and all of our loved ones 751 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: and pets and things we love are there. I know 752 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,800 Speaker 1: we all fear pain, and I am definitely a fan 753 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 1: of using hospice, as they control pain better than anyone 754 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: and make people comfortable without the fear of dying. We 755 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,399 Speaker 1: don't need to have a fear of living. We can 756 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: go after our dreams. We can make mistakes, we can fail, 757 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 1: we can pick ourselves up. We can look back in 758 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,320 Speaker 1: the past knowing we've done the very best we can. 759 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,480 Speaker 1: When we transition to the other side, whatever we didn't 760 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 1: get done here on earth, we can continue doing. We 761 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: are supported in all of our efforts by a team 762 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,919 Speaker 1: of people, even our loved ones, cheering us on, who 763 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,919 Speaker 1: try to communicate with us through our thoughts, through our imagination, 764 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: through our feelings, letting us know that we are loved 765 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,879 Speaker 1: and that we are never alone. My friend, we are 766 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: an immortal soul, and our life here makes a difference. 767 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: And there's a reason I think we each have one, 768 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: whether it's growth for the soul, learning, experiencing. Let's each 769 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: make the most of it. Okay, it's like a game 770 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 1: we're playing and we don't know what we get when 771 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 1: we win, but there is something grand across the horizon. 772 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: So we're going to play this game the very best 773 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,520 Speaker 1: that we can. Death, what a great teacher you are, 774 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: Yet few of us elect to take your class and 775 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,760 Speaker 1: learn about life. That is the essence of Death's teaching. 776 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,840 Speaker 1: Death is not an elective. We must all take the class. 777 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: The wise students audit the class in their early years 778 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: and find enlightenment. They are prepared when graduation day comes. 779 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,400 Speaker 1: It is your commencement. Those are the words by doctor 780 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 1: Bernie Siegel, author of Love, Medicine and Miracles, a good 781 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: friend of my father's who wrote the forward of my 782 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: book We Don't Die. I'd like to make a quick 783 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:40,480 Speaker 1: shout out to Tina Turner who has passed away and 784 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: know that she did believe in life after death. She's 785 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 1: got an excellent book, Happiness Becomes You, a guide to 786 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 1: changing your life for good. I'm sure Tina will keep 787 00:49:55,040 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 1: very busy, inspiring and entertaining in the hereafter. Well that's 788 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,160 Speaker 1: our episode for today, and a reminder come visit me 789 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,799 Speaker 1: We Don't Die dot com. Come to one of our 790 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: classes or events. I'd love to see you. I'm Sandra Champlain. 791 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 792 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast Network. 793 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,359 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Ghost 794 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 2: a paranormal podcast network. 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