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Speaker 1: What's up the A Fam. It's your girl, Mandy Money.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Brown Ambition and this new

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Speaker 1: thing that I'm trying out called Motivation Monday, where I

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Speaker 1: bring you a highly inspirational one on one chat between

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Speaker 1: me and someone iconic, someone who is living their dreams,

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Speaker 1: but someone who has a real story to tell about

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Speaker 1: their journey. Someone who's not gonna give you the overnight success.

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Speaker 1: Someone who's going to show you the grit, the grind,

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Speaker 1: the resilience that they've had to capture. And my guest

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Speaker 1: this week is the page Turner. Paige was on the

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Speaker 1: show actually a couple of years ago, but when I

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Speaker 1: saw that she is the new co host of one

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Speaker 1: of the most iconic home improvement shows ever. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about twenty seasons of this show on AHGTV. She is

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Speaker 1: now the co host of Love It or List It,

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Speaker 1: and Paige and I get into all of that, how

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Speaker 1: she got the opportunity to host this iconic show on

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Speaker 1: HGTV network. We talk about a bit about her background

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Speaker 1: raising three baby girls as a single mom, how she

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Speaker 1: uprooted her life, moved to Nashville to raise the girls

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Speaker 1: all on her own, no child support, doing her damn

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Speaker 1: thing and then move back to La in her forties,

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Speaker 1: and that's when her career took off. So if you're

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Speaker 1: a late bloomer or you're worried you might be a

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Speaker 1: late bloomer, if you're someone who is thinking about, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I had this idea, I really should have started that

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Speaker 1: five years ago when I had the idea the first time.

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Speaker 1: How far would I be if I had just done

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Speaker 1: it back then. You need to listen to this episode

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Speaker 1: because Page is going to motivate you and inspire you

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Speaker 1: with her own story, just by showing you that it's

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Speaker 1: not too late, that there is a plan for all

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Speaker 1: of us, that what is meant for us, it can't

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Speaker 1: miss us, and she's really a testament to just trusting

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Speaker 1: in the journey. I hope y'all enjoy this episode, So

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Speaker 1: I'll take a quick break and be right back with

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Speaker 1: more with my interview with Page Turner from Love It

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Speaker 1: or Listed. Page Turner, Welcome again to Brown Ambition Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you man, I'm so happy to be back. It's

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Speaker 2: been a couple of years. But like you said, we

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Speaker 2: had a great conversation. I mean I was encouraged as

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Speaker 2: well on my side just seeing all you do. And

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it's been ten years. I don't think

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Speaker 2: I knew that a couple of years ago. So thank

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Speaker 2: you for having me back.

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Speaker 1: I'm like a geriatric podcaster.

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Speaker 2: I always Yeah, you were definitely at the helm of it. Wow,

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Speaker 2: I still haven't started my podcast. I've been saying it

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Speaker 2: for ten years. I have started on it.

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Speaker 1: You can't listen. You're doing enough, You're doing so much. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So the last time you were on the show, at

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Speaker 1: the time you were hosting another was it also on

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Speaker 1: HGTV another show?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Loo, did this opportunity come up for you to be

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Speaker 1: the host of this brand, this huge brand.

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Speaker 2: A flagship? Right? So twenty twenty three, which I was

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Speaker 2: on your podcast to promote season two to fix my flip.

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Speaker 2: When that season was over and I was waiting to

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Speaker 2: hear back about season three, I didn't. I didn't hear

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Speaker 2: back about the season three. So you went, h h okay,

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Speaker 2: And then I was told, well, you know, I'll there's

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Speaker 2: some other ideas.

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Speaker 3: For you, and I went, h.

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Speaker 2: The challenge is this is where ego and you know,

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Speaker 2: my boyfriend mentioned I love an acronym he uses for

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Speaker 2: ego edging God out. My ego came in and said, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm co creator, I am executive producer, and I am

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Speaker 2: host of Fixed my Flip. I created this show Taylor

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Speaker 2: made for me, and you want to pitch me another show?

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Speaker 2: So you know this is my inside hit. But that's

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Speaker 2: where ego really has to come in. You have to think, Okay,

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Speaker 2: in this business, life happens and things change on a dime.

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Speaker 2: I've watched shows get pulled after the third episode, so

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Speaker 2: praise God that I got through a whole season, right,

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Speaker 2: So I have to kind of just sit in my

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Speaker 2: and I mean all you can expect is good things

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Speaker 2: when things kind of change direct direction. And one thing

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Speaker 2: about Page Turner is that I kind of call myself

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Speaker 2: the queen of pivot in life, in business, on television,

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Speaker 2: off television. I know how to pivot, to stay above

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Speaker 2: water and keep going, because what's the opposite, you think? Right,

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Speaker 2: So we get on the zoom with the network and

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Speaker 2: they're like, well, we think you may have heard of

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Speaker 2: the show, but you know, hosts of Change, and we

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Speaker 2: want to see if you want to do a chemistry

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Speaker 2: test for Love It or Listed. So I fall out

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Speaker 2: of my chair physically, physically, I fall out of my

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Speaker 2: lover It Listed predates me even being on this network

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Speaker 2: by ten years. This is a flagship. And like you

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Speaker 2: already said, Mandy, iconic show, absolutely uh sure, duh, you

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Speaker 2: know I didn't say that part, but let's go. So

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Speaker 2: I went did a chemistry test with David. They said,

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Speaker 2: we already know we want you. We just want to

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Speaker 2: make sure that both of you can keep bubble gum

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Speaker 2: and walk at the same time, and so we did

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Speaker 2: it and they love the chemistry tests. I love the

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Speaker 2: chemistry test. It was funny. David is so amazing, Like

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Speaker 2: he's even more cool in real life than he is

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Speaker 2: on Love or Listed and now here we are new

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, well, congratulations, thank you really are the

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Speaker 1: Queen of Pivot. I'm trying hard not to just cut

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Speaker 1: touch back on everything that we covered the first time

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Speaker 1: you're on the show, but bafam, I'm gonna link. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna link to it show notes because y'all need to

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Speaker 1: hear the full arc of Page's story. I mean, you survived,

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Speaker 1: like we meet me all, we're here today. We survived

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and eight recession. But you were working

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Speaker 1: in real estate at the time. I remember you're telling

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Speaker 1: me about how you were like, should I go get

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Speaker 1: like a job in retail and you again, Queen of Pivot.

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Speaker 1: You had two daughters at the time. You still have

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Speaker 1: You're worried about can I pay the mortgage and feed

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Speaker 1: my children? You talked about trying to figure out how

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Speaker 1: you were gonna let them repo your escalade that you

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Speaker 1: had got, But covertly, yes.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 1: Can you meet me around that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was at the rap gas station. I've missed

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Speaker 2: that Cadillac, but I've had many more cars since then.

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Speaker 1: And as a young mom myself, I have I've had

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Speaker 1: He turns two in two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Remy, Remy Raphael, Oh, my gosh. And then I has

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Speaker 1: big brother Rio Francisco, and they are just amazing. And

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Speaker 1: so as a young mom, I just really appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: And I think you were just sharing, you know, these

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Speaker 1: moments that have been really challenging for you, and you've

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Speaker 1: had all these different lives throughout your career, and I

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Speaker 1: an overnight success, and I am hungry for stories like this,

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Speaker 1: hungry for you know the reality of like the grit

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Speaker 1: and resilience it takes. Yeah, that it's not like you

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about like continuing to believe in yourself

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Speaker 1: and even as you've had these challenges that you kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, so, yeah, ego has a big planet.

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Speaker 2: But I think that ego, when you're talking about ego

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Speaker 2: different paths and lanes. So God tells us we can

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Speaker 2: But there are so many universal nuggets you can pull

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Speaker 2: we have a confidence in God. God has given us

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Speaker 2: confidence as human beings to be able to plant our

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Speaker 2: And I have that confidence probably from birth, Mandy. I mean,

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Speaker 2: because there's also this false humility that I've had to

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Speaker 2: My experience is proof that what I do works and

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Speaker 2: So just with that as my anchor, because that's what

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna eat because I'm gonna go work, and

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Speaker 2: I've decided to do, and we're gonna do it because

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Speaker 2: seeing God's plan and from seeing your prayers come to pass,

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Speaker 2: even what you think are small prayers. And like my

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Speaker 2: praise used to be just God, let me have enough

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Speaker 2: and sometimes I don't always read the comments spoon I do.

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Speaker 2: I see them. She's cocky, Oh she's bossy, Oh she's loud.

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Speaker 2: I am absolutely all of those things. You know why,

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Speaker 2: because I work in a business that's filled with men,

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Speaker 2: and if I don't assert myself in a certain way,

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Speaker 2: it's always respectful, but always remembering who there I am.

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Speaker 2: And if you don't know you're about to find out

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Speaker 2: now five decades of you know, life experience and working

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Speaker 1: I'm just excited to learn about what you as a woman,

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Speaker 2: made it. If you're talking about thirty plus years and

431
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 2: they're still trying to make it in an industry, and

432
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: here I am like, I'm going to send an email

433
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 2: and by faith, I'm just gonna see if it worked.

434
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: And it did. Now what if I if I didn't

435
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 2: have that confidence to push through that fear and I

436
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 2: never sent the email, I would have never been on

437
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 2: your show twice? And what a disservice I would have

438
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 2: done to myself.

439
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: I do't to even think about it. I'm sure you

440
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 1: still would have been thriving because you were the queen

441
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: of hood. Remember we were the queen of talked about

442
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 1: that journey. But you're so right, Like people spend a

443
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: lot of time thinking about, well, what if I had

444
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: done this? Where would I have been? We'll also like

445
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: flip that what if you never do it?

446
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 2: Like what if you never do it? Like the alchemist,

447
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: like the glass maker never did it? And who knows

448
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: what he could have been going on that journey of alchemy?

449
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 2: Who knows what could have happened? And I think that's

450
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 2: where the regret and where the real fear and the

451
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 2: real failure comes in of not doing what you absolutely

452
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 2: had the strength, the purpose and the pathway to do.

453
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 2: I had all the goods, and had I not done

454
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: it just because Oh I'm forty six. Oh you everybody

455
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 2: on TV starts at twenty you know, Oh, I've never

456
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 2: been on TV. How canna have the audacity to think

457
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: that I can do something like television? That's a space

458
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 2: I'm in right now. I have the audacity to move

459
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Speaker 2: how I want to move and get what I want

460
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 2: and do what I want to do.

461
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: Why do I So? I think about different personalities and

462
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: how much I would love to be at a game

463
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 1: night with you. I think you'd be.

464
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: So much fun game night.

465
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: You want because you want to win, like you're a winner?

466
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Speaker 4: Do you do?

467
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Speaker 1: And part of Love It or Listed? It's the competition

468
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: of it. I know it's a bit I mean from

469
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Speaker 1: the you know, I'm sure, but if it is, like

470
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, construed and like you guys have to feed

471
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Speaker 1: into those like you're on team Love It. I'm on

472
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: Team Listed. And there's that rivalry that kind of dance.

473
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 1: But that's what makes it fun to watch, is you

474
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: want to see who's going to outspart the other. So

475
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 1: does that competitive nature come naturally to you? Is it

476
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Speaker 1: just because like you want to be in your highest power?

477
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Speaker 2: So I'm an LA girl. You were either going to

478
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: sink or swim. I literally didn't. Nobody taught me how

479
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: to swim. I think my parents just threw me in

480
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: the ocean and we just started swimming like I was there.

481
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: You have to learn that if you want to win.

482
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: If you in La, La and New York, those are

483
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: two cities that if you don't kick their asses, those

484
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: cities will kick yours. So you have to know how

485
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: to grind. You have to know how to win. You

486
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 2: have to know how to get ahead and massages your

487
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: journey with it too, because there's so many highs and

488
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Speaker 2: lows that a lot of people are like, I can't

489
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Speaker 2: do it, I'm out, you know, and they have to

490
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: move like I did it. I was like, I can't

491
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Speaker 2: do this. La kicked my butt with three kids. I

492
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: thought I was gonna die. So I was like, okay,

493
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 2: So I found Nashville and then I nested there. I

494
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 2: raised them there and then they slew the coop and

495
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 2: then I came back because now, all right, I can

496
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Speaker 2: do it again. So yeah, I'm very competitive. Now. I

497
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Speaker 2: don't watch Rock the Block because the people didn't like

498
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: me on Rock the Block because my true competitive not

499
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Speaker 2: even all of it just a portion of my competitive

500
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: nature came out. The people weren't ready for that, not

501
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: on this network. Maybe on another network, but on this

502
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: network they weren't ready for this.

503
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Speaker 1: Okay, so talk to me about the dynamics. So of

504
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 1: love it or list it, because for those who don't

505
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: know the show, I mean, I don't understand how you

506
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: don't know it, but love it or list it. You

507
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: have a homeowner couple who is for whatever reason, they're

508
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: not happy in their home anymore. Usually it's because it's

509
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: not enough space. Something has changed. They want this, they

510
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: want a deck, they want a laundry room, they're tired

511
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: of this. One of the one of the spouses or

512
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: the homeowners wants to stay and the other one is like, no,

513
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm done with this house. We need to move. So, Paige,

514
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: you have assumed the Lovett co host seat. So you,

515
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: with all your experience of flipping houses and renovating, you

516
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: come in and your goal is to create the house

517
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Speaker 1: that will create the renovations and create the transformation that's

518
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Speaker 1: going to make this couple stay. That's how you win.

519
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: But then you got David what's his last name, David

520
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: Ryszantine Vyzantine. He is the listic guy. So he's the realtor.

521
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: He's the one who's like, oh no, I'm going to

522
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: find them their dream home. They're going to just get

523
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: this dream home and leave this mess behind. And then

524
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: you get how much time to turn over these homes?

525
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: Like what actually happens?

526
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: Well, there's no time line, you know, there's no on

527
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Speaker 2: one actual episode. I mean, the renovation takes as long

528
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: as it takes in real life, so it could be

529
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: three months. We've had I think our longest renovation last

530
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Speaker 2: year was when we were filming, was probably seven months.

531
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Speaker 2: It was a really big one. So that's just the

532
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: renovations are real time. But at the end of the renovation,

533
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 2: after David has shown the homeowners three different homes to

534
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: live in, they have to choose. Do they want to

535
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: list the house and it's already renovated so they love it,

536
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: of course, But listen, the thing is is that once

537
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: I have completed the redesign and the renovation, they have

538
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: a ton of equity. So they want to take that

539
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: equity and move or do they want to say, you

540
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Speaker 2: know what, we loved this house, we moved in. It's

541
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Speaker 2: just over the last ten years we've grown to not

542
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Speaker 2: love it anymore and now we want to live in

543
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: it as a love it space. So they pick in

544
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: real time while we're filming, and David and I do

545
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: not know if they're going to say love it or listed.

546
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: So where are they when the house is being renowed?

547
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 2: They go and live somewhere else, They go and get

548
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: an apartment or go with family. And they promised and

549
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: most I think ninety five percent of them. No I

550
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: know of one homeowner that did not to come in

551
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: and check on the house, so they don't see the

552
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 2: house at all. So once we get done and I

553
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: have staging done, it is a complete surprise to them.

554
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 2: And then we're when we're sitting in real time filming

555
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: and I say, okay, are you gonna love it? And

556
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 2: David says, or are you gonna list it? We do

557
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: that three times and on the third time they go

558
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: love it. So we're like, oh, okay, so you know

559
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: all of that.

560
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: Is real, Okay, it feels real. Okay, that's really good

561
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Speaker 1: to know. So the reason I fell out of love

562
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: with HGTV, like I said, is my husband and I

563
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: you're you're probably gonna be like uh huh huh. I

564
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: we we got our house. I had too much money.

565
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: I knew what to do when I was twenty seven,

566
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Speaker 1: twenty eight howl was I twenty eight. I had done

567
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: well in my career. I had I had a lot

568
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: of money sitting in my account. You knew we wanted

569
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Speaker 1: to do something with it. My husband was like, let's

570
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Speaker 1: get a house. Let's get a house. And I this

571
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: was pre kids, and we were living in a like

572
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: a luxury apartment building, and I was I loved my

573
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: commute to the city. And I was like, well, I

574
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: don't want to get too much house. I don't want

575
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: to get too much house. I don't want to be

576
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to have too much yard. It's all

577
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: maintenance and stuff. So I compromised. I was like, let's

578
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: get a house, but it's going to be a cute

579
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: little house in the suburbs. And everything compared to New

580
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: York City apartments was like it felt big. So we

581
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: eventually we found this three bedroom, two bath, Cape cod

582
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: style rble in a neighborhood that is has actually has

583
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: a lot of history. We found a neighborhood that actually

584
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: is majority minority and has a lot of black culture,

585
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: a lot of like history here of black, middle income,

586
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: middle class families being able to thrive in this community.

587
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: So we did stuff that makes no sense because they

588
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: didn't have kids at the time. This is way too

589
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: much detail, but the point. Yeah, yeah, so we are

590
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: like busting out the seams. But I see the potential

591
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: and I want to just I love our neighbors, I

592
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: love our community, my kids in the school system. Now,

593
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to move, Like it's real expensive. If

594
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: we sold the house at top dollar, I don't know

595
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: what we could afford, right, you know in this area. Yeah, yeah,

596
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: they's such low inventory.

597
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 2: Like, well, that's what happens with David. That's how his

598
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: job is so hard, because people don't want to change

599
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: their kids' school especially in your neighborhood. I just heard

600
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: about New York schools and how people have to fight

601
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: to get into these better schools, and like whoa, Like

602
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: one of my friends lives in Jersey but commutes to

603
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: New York. It's a lot to keep our kids in

604
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: a good school. And so that's that's his fight. Like,

605
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,959
Speaker 2: people don't want to move, they have their kids, you know,

606
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: they just want to figure out how can we make

607
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: it work with what we have? But that's like me,

608
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can make it.

609
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and you get in. How does a homeowner

610
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: like me, like, what would you say? Because I looked,

611
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: I watched your first episode of the show, and he

612
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: did such a beautiful job. And I don't know those

613
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: homeowners they're a bit sad for me. I'm like, could

614
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: you just chill? Are they really like that? Or are

615
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: they coached to be a little sassy?

616
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: They I don't They may be coached, but I don't

617
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: hear it. When I watched the showback, I could tell

618
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: by my facial expression.

619
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: Like I have now, having gotten to know you a

620
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: little bit better, I know you weren't like, come on,

621
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: that one lady was a bit But if we don't

622
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: have Nya's room, I'm not I'm not staying. I'm not

623
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: like Okay. She cried. She cried real hard in that

624
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: walk in pantry.

625
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: Though she listened. She cried in the basement. She cried

626
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: in pantry. She was so happy she actually had those

627
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: babies in the house like home births, so oh my.

628
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: Gosh, yep, so she was.

629
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: She wanted to move, but at the same time David

630
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: was showing them. They were like, actually, no, no, no, no,

631
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: I take it back on that. I think the second

632
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: house was really great for them. They would have to

633
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: renovate the kitchen and do some more work, but yeah,

634
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: I would have left. I was like I would have

635
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: even left because that was a good house. But like

636
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: in your in your case, I mean, you don't have

637
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: to pull out some money. You know, it's been a

638
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: little bit more money to if you guys are going

639
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: to stay, right.

640
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: So it's like, I'm want to talk about the nitty

641
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: gritty of that because what's holding me back is like,

642
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: so we could do a home equity loan, right, I've

643
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: talked on the podcast about home equity loans, so you

644
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 1: tap into the equity you have in your home. We

645
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: are not as cash liquid as we were back then.

646
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: When I had one hundred and twenty K to invest

647
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: in the house, I wish I had just I mean,

648
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't wish I had waited, but because we still

649
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: waited to have you know, we had kids a couple

650
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: of years later and all that. But now I feel

651
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: like I really know what we need. How many years

652
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: in seven eight years into living here.

653
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: Baby, give yourself some grace. You don't know until you

654
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: know with kids. You don't know until you know. That's

655
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: just give yourself that.

656
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: I kind of want a third which is another reason

657
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: we need more space.

658
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that third listen, I have three. That third change

659
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: is the game Mandy, Well, you.

660
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: Actually had twins. Were the twins older or younger?

661
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: No, they were younger, So I was forced in the

662
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: change game. But three changes the game. Two it's been

663
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: like I would have been rich earlier. Three is another level.

664
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: I know, I know. That's what I say all the time.

665
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not rich enough yet. I need to

666
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: make more money because twenty five hundred dollars a month

667
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: for daycare is almost my mortgage.

668
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: Mmmm.

669
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: It's cristy out here. So home equity loans like and

670
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: you and one of the things we talked about on

671
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: the show last time that you were kind of like

672
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: another episode is like, sort of when you're in a

673
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: tough situation financially, what tips you may have for homeowners

674
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: who do want to upgrade but I still can't. Part

675
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: of me is like we've already put one hundred k

676
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: in it. Almost. I think I'm being a little bit

677
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: too harsh on myself. I'm like, well, that was a

678
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: mistake and I don't want to. It's like throwing more

679
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: money at it is. Does it ever make sense to

680
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: do another you know, big reno versus just move on.

681
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: So there's a few factors, as you know from you know,

682
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: teaching your classes and everything was home lines. Yeah, you

683
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: can pull money out, but that's another note. So let's

684
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: start with that's another note. In addition to daycare, in

685
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: addition to I think I want a third baby, in

686
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: addition to dot dot dot, it's another bill. So you

687
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: have to think a few things. Number one, how much

688
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: is that bill going to be extra until we pay

689
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: it off? Number two, how much value is it going

690
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: to add on this house? Should my husband wake up

691
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: one day and say we have got to move? Because

692
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: what you don't want to do is break even. What

693
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: you don't want to do is after you pay all

694
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: these reels or piece, it's like, well, what was the point?

695
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: All we did was add whatever second renovation you need

696
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: to make your family, yes, work better, But if you

697
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: think there is a small chance that you guys are

698
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: going to go, then don't use the equity because you've

699
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: already done an upgrade. So it might not fit your

700
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: family now, but it might hear somebody else's family. Because

701
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: if you max yourself out with your equity and with

702
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: the value of your house, then what then You're going

703
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: to go to the table, sell your house, break even,

704
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: and not have any money to go to your next house,

705
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: depending on what you want any to do. That's number one.

706
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: Number two, we're in a world where tariffs are nigh

707
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: and so that is real. So in new construction out gosh,

708
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: that's a whole other episode. But in renovation, you still

709
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: need lumber, you still need whatever else, your fixtures and

710
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: your flooring and everything. And we're talking about twenty five

711
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: percent markup. That's going to come down to the consumer.

712
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: It's not going to come down to the importer. I

713
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: mean because if I'm home depot, let's say, and I'm like, okay,

714
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 2: here's the twenty five percent on tariffs. Well, I'm going

715
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: to pass it along to Mandy who has to do

716
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: her renovation project. I'm not going to absorb that. In effect,

717
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: my bottom line is the middle man. I should but

718
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: I gotta make money just keep my business over open.

719
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: So Mandy, you and your husband go figure out, you know,

720
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: all this extra money we have to now have for

721
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: this renovation project and is it worth it now? Your

722
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: babies are so young, right now that you have some

723
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: time to figure this out, do it well? I mean

724
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: you're in a personality so maybe not your brain doesn't,

725
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: but in real life you do. In real life you do.

726
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: There. I also I like some of the adjustments you

727
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: made to their home in terms of like adding built

728
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: ins in storage, because the fight is always around storage,

729
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: so like if I'm wanting to it's also has been

730
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: seven years. I forget even how we found our contractor

731
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: what do I what's the perfect person who can like,

732
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: do I need a designer? I just need someone with

733
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: a creative mind who can see the possibility for storage

734
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: space that I think is here. Is that a designer?

735
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: Is that an architect?

736
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: Well you don't, no, no, not for a renovation. You

737
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: don't have to hire an architect, but you do have

738
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: to find a contractor and sometimes contactors. They can do

739
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: a lot of times a new floor plan for you

740
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: and give you suggestions, or you can just call me Mandy,

741
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: we're friends. I can help you with that. But or

742
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: find somebody local who will walk it through with you.

743
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 2: Who is a designer that works with the contractors. They

744
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: can work in tandem and get it done. I mean

745
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: it is. It's a hard place. Oh, contractors, you have

746
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: to start with your sphere of influence. You have to

747
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: find somebody who has used somebody and not just by like,

748
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: oh yeah, my uncle's sisters brother can do it for you.

749
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: I need to see their work. How long did it

750
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: take and how much did you spend? Like I need

751
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: hands on references so that I don't get got especially

752
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: in the world of teriff where everything might be going

753
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: up and people are passing on that charge to us.

754
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: You know, I've always had a family home, so we

755
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: lived in the same I grew up in the same

756
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: house in LA and so that was my goal for

757
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: my kids. So many single mothers have to move around

758
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: every year, every six months. I'm like, I'm not doing that.

759
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: I bought a house when I got to Nashville. I

760
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: lived in that house for sixteen years with them. So

761
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: they had the same friends, same school, same cul de sac.

762
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: So when I came home, I wanted to move into

763
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 2: a high rise and I was looking I never had

764
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: a doorman, you know, I want to do all the

765
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: fancy stuff. So I was looking out my window on

766
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: the twenty sixth floor and I said, what if I

767
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: would have just taken one more day to fight a

768
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: little bit harder, to fight through that fear and stayed

769
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: in LA. Who would have my kids been, Who would

770
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: have I been? How much further would I've gotten in

771
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 2: my career? If any You know, there's always a divine

772
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: plan that works out. But I did think about that.

773
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: I think about all the time, what would I have

774
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: done had I just thought through one more day?

775
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 5: But you know, you're living and learn and what ended

776
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 5: up happening is exactly what was supposed to happen. Because

777
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 5: I would have never been in Nashville to think of

778
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 5: a show called Flipping Exes that turn into Flip or

779
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 5: Fly of Nashville.

780
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: It would have never never anyway, wouldn't have been the

781
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: top choice for a love better listed.

782
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, look at God.

783
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: So with all the journey that you're on now, how

784
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: are you giving yourself space for self care? How do

785
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: you avoid burnout? Do you feel like you're still pushing

786
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: to achieve, achieve, achieve, or have you found space for

787
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: softness as well?

788
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Mandy, that is such a good question

789
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 5: because I am such like I'm so hard on myself

790
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 5: and just in the last three months have I found

791
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 5: myself in a very soft space, being very kind to

792
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 5: myself and being able to exhale and being able to

793
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 5: be loved and to be able to love like oh,

794
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 5: and it's lovely, but I.

795
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: Still get up a storkout.

796
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 5: I'm still like, okay, you know my to do list

797
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 5: is still looks like a maniac, right, But I'm just

798
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 5: in a space of so cliche, but a space of

799
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 5: grace now where it's like, girl, enjoy this, enjoy all

800
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 5: of this, like who you know, and I've been on

801
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 5: this show. I've been on that show. You know, I've

802
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 5: been on Dinnifer Hudson last year, you know what I'm saying.

803
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 5: But like I was so like ah, and I was

804
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 5: in a robotic mode that this year. Even a girlfriend

805
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 5: of mine said, Paige, watching you on Love It or Listed,

806
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 5: there's a new piece and you knew, like, eh, all

807
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 5: as well, you know it's okay, we're like on Fix

808
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 5: My Flip and the other show. I was more rigid

809
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 5: and more like you know, sitting at the negotiation tables

810
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 5: cross and you know, my leg crosson now. And I

811
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 5: feel that like my my heart and my soul and

812
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 5: my mind is just like all as well, even if

813
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 5: it's not all as well.

814
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: Well. You mentioned you know, you had to really take

815
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: on that, and I think any woman building their career

816
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: and you were in the nineties, like really like in

817
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: your formative career years, and you're taking in that masculine energy.

818
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: And I do feel like I've heard that often from

819
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: like the gen X, you know, generation of kind of

820
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: being forced to take on like that's how you survived,

821
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: that's how you were gonna make it, and that serves

822
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: you in so many ways. But at a certain point

823
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: we also have this like feminine energy that is powerful

824
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: as well, and like, I'm excited for you, and I'm

825
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: glad to hear that, because I think you deserve to

826
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: be in that soft era and it's not weakness. You

827
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: can still be a baddie and get shit done. Yeah,

828
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: but who knew take care of.

829
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 5: Me because coming up in the nineties and into the

830
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 5: two thousands so strong excuse my friends. So that's when

831
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 5: boss bitch and bad bitch all that. And I don't

832
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 5: play with that B word. I've never referred to myself

833
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 5: as that. And if I say that word, it's because

834
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 5: we're in a different place in time.

835
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: It just pulled off the tongue. Though I don't know

836
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: if I believe.

837
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 4: You well because I know how to cuss, I know

838
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 4: how to I know many things.

839
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 5: But you know, I woke up like I've been to

840
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 5: fibbing and energy classes, circles of soft girl era classes

841
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 5: like where is she? Because I go so hard with

842
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 5: I went so hard raising my kids. I'm so hard

843
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 5: in my business, so hard on TV, so hard, negotiating

844
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 5: so hard, working out so hard on my body. You

845
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying in my brain and my heart

846
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 5: and just like h and I've been to classes and

847
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 5: classes and classes like no where does this soft girl live?

848
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 5: Because I have yet to meet her? And I think

849
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 5: I was lied to because I don't want to be

850
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 5: a boss bitch. I think I was This is this

851
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 5: is hard. There has to be an easier way to

852
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 5: life than this. And you being a single mom too,

853
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 5: like I had to wear this cape, this superwoman cap.

854
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 5: I always rejected though when men or anybody would say

855
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 5: to be happy, fathers say like I don't want that smooth.

856
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 5: I don't mean nobody's daddy, you know, just as being

857
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 5: a single mom, like you know you're doing both I'm

858
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 5: actually not because I don't know.

859
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 4: I'm not a man. I don't know how to teach them,

860
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 4: you know, blah blah blah.

861
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 5: But just in probably this last year, really finding her

862
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 5: and doing the work to find this soft you know.

863
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 5: And in fact, even in my design, probably starting two

864
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 5: years ago, I didn't realize I'm putting in soft edges

865
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 5: on islands. I'm really doing a lot of rounded work,

866
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 5: Like I'm softening.

867
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 4: The spaces that I'm in, and even at home, I'm like,

868
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 4: I'm softening everything up.

869
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: You know.

870
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 5: I used to be like black, black, black, gold, gold, hold,

871
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 5: and I'm like pink yellow.

872
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 4: You know, I'm here, thank you, I'm like cream and

873
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 4: I love this space. So thank you for saying that

874
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 4: it's a It's a beautiful space to be in.

875
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: So what does that look like for you? What are

876
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: your go tos for when you want to tap into

877
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: that soft girl? Maybe someone listening now is also feeling

878
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: like you did, like where is she? You know, the

879
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: work I can't turn my brain off.

880
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing, forcing yourself to meditate.

881
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: I had to.

882
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 4: I had to start buying the books. I had to

883
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: start doing the work books.

884
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 5: I had to start literally my girlfriend does feminine energy classes.

885
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 4: Heidi.

886
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 5: I had to go to sound bowls and just retrain

887
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 5: my brain bath sound bath, sorry, sound bath, and I

888
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 5: had thank you. I had to and I still do

889
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 5: retrain my brain because, you know, just coming up in

890
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 5: the era of this gen X world, I bought into all.

891
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: The hype, you know, because I had to be the hype.

892
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: You know.

893
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 4: I was living the hype. And I didn't know about

894
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 4: soft Girl anything. I didn't know I know.

895
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 5: So now I do it by continuing to do that work.

896
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 5: I have to be in prayer, I have to be

897
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 5: in meditation. I have to keep my affirmations up. I

898
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 5: have to remember I'm responding and not reacting. What's funny

899
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 5: is that it's natural now like I don't want to react.

900
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 5: I just want to my piece. It actually started two

901
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 5: and a half years ago. I put up this boundary

902
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 5: called Peace and Plenty. It was a book that I

903
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 5: read ten fifteen years ago, and I remember who the

904
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 5: author is, but she wrote a book called Piece and Plenty.

905
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 5: But all I know, those were my two go to

906
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 5: words that I would say, Hey, you are interrupting my

907
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 5: piece and plenty.

908
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 4: I can't do this.

909
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 5: I'll be back you know, and I would go reset myself.

910
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 5: But I didn't realize until this very moment that was

911
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 5: my beginning of softening myself up, the soft girl era

912
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 5: and being like, oh boundaries, oh boundaries for myself, Like

913
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 5: I'm on page.

914
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 4: If you do this, that keeps you feisty. You know,

915
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: try this, so you have to try to do things.

916
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 5: You have to retrain your brain. And it's still you

917
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 5: still have to commit to do the work. So there's

918
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 5: still a work that has to be done. And that's

919
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 5: what I'm still doing.

920
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: Are your kids like, what's happened?

921
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: Mom?

922
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: Did they notice a difference.

923
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 5: Yes, my youngest she lives in New York. She just

924
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 5: said when I was there a couplets and she said, Mommy,

925
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 5: you're so different now, like you're just calm because I

926
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 5: always been like, oh, let's.

927
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 4: Go, we gotta win, we can do it. Turn your

928
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 4: light on crazy. She was like, you were so chill,

929
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 4: and I was like, I me my soft girl era,

930
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 4: Like I'm good.

931
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: That blood pressure is probably looking real good.

932
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 5: I mean my doctor, it was like last year I

933
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 5: could go to my physical this year yet, but hey,

934
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 5: you're good.

935
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 4: See next year. I'm like, thanks, Well.

936
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: I hope that with the I hope the show is

937
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: super successful in his twentieth season. You must feel a

938
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: little bit of that, hopefully not too much, but the

939
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: pressure of carrying on the legacy. And I've just seen

940
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: the first episode and I think that you did a

941
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: killer job. I don't know what the commenters are on.

942
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't think you should watch the comment read the comments.

943
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: Ie TV's audience is broad.

944
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 4: When they're very feisty and coward.

945
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: Enough to be leaving comments, you know what I mean,

946
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: they could be cuckoo.

947
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 5: I look every now and then pre show, and I

948
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 5: did look. Okay, okay, total chess mency. I did look

949
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 5: when the show was first announced.

950
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 4: Oh they came for me.

951
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 5: Oh my god, oh god, really they tore me to

952
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 5: shreds post premiere. It's huh, everybody give her a chance.

953
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 4: He's doing really good. Now they're fighting for me. I'm like, well,

954
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 4: look at the look at this care and fight for me. Ah,

955
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 4: so you know.

956
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: You do.

957
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: The great Banter. That's the best part about the show

958
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: is I love Banter. And it's hard to find someone

959
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: who won't get their feelings hurt. And I just feel

960
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: like you guys have an understanding we're going to give

961
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: each other ship and we're each gonna just like we're

962
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: here to play, you know. Yeah, No, this is a

963
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a it's a bit of a

964
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: show like an improv who can get the best zinger?

965
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: And that's always and he does so well with it.

966
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 4: He does so well.

967
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 5: And one thing about David, and I told him this,

968
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 5: there's there's many changes on the show from the original host,

969
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 5: who I give honor to.

970
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be here if it weren't for her, right,

971
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 4: And it's.

972
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: Feel bad I forgot Hillary Farr, Hillary Farr? Are you

973
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: going to love it?

974
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: Oh?

975
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: Listed exactly.

976
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 5: You know, I had to stop watching the show because

977
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 5: I didn't want to accidentally take that on.

978
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 4: I was like, I can't want it to because if

979
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 4: I said that, I would die. I would die. But

980
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: you know, just being able to this legacy on has

981
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 4: been pretty cool.

982
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: Oh well, I know you're the woman for it, and

983
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: I hope we get to chat again and this soft

984
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: girl era, I'm very very happy for you. Into everyone listening.

985
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: I think that we are trying to get is that

986
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so you went Boss b Ward, you know,

987
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: for all those years and now you're in your Soft Girl.

988
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: I think some of us are like in the Soft

989
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: Girl and we're like, oh wait, we got to make money.

990
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Still wait a minute. Soft Girl era is expensive. It

991
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: is fifty for a sound bath. It's like I was like,

992
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: maybe I can just do Spotify and you know some

993
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: cereal bowls and like Tatham, I don't know the nails

994
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: of hair, like oh lord, it's a lot.

995
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 4: It's a lot.

996
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: But a walk will do a lot. A walk in

997
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: some nice some vibrations.

998
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 4: Yes, it does, it doesn't will it does it?

999
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: Well?

1000
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: Well, much success to you, thanks again for sharing so

1001
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: much of yourself with me on the show and for

1002
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: taking the time. And everyone go watch love it or

1003
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: list it. I streamed it on Max. I don't know

1004
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: how the rest of probably you have HDTV on your

1005
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: cable networks, but you know, thank goodness of streaming on

1006
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: Max for my cut the plug girlies.

1007
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 5: Thank you for your time and your your continued interest

1008
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 5: in me and my career and being so kind and

1009
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 5: having such good conversation and being here and being here

1010
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 5: for us brown girls.

1011
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: All right, va fam go check out page Turner. I'll

1012
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: put her social in the show notes and the link

1013
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: to the show and the show notes. Don't mess with

1014
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: her piece or her plenty while you're at it. Okay,

1015
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: Please positive vibes only the A fans, right,