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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up? Everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Guilty of Charge podcast, part of the

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Speaker 2: Chargers podcast network.

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Speaker 1: Tyler, it still feels really weird to say that.

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Speaker 2: Can't be happier about, you know, our second episode being

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Speaker 2: the draft wrap up and excited to dive into the

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Speaker 2: Chargers selections here.

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Speaker 1: But how are you today? Man? What's up?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing very well. It's nice to just you can

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Speaker 3: just feel the draft stuff just leave my brain and

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Speaker 3: that feels so good. As soon as the draft was over,

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Speaker 3: I just had this nice clear mind and it was

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Speaker 3: so nice. So I'm doing rat Stephen, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good.

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Speaker 2: I got to like hang out on Sunday and like

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Speaker 2: not I have to watch film, you know. And like

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Speaker 2: we were just like sitting there watching some of the

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Speaker 2: basketball games and my wife was like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're not watching film?

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Speaker 2: Like are we gonna like go hang out somewhere, like

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Speaker 2: you want to go do something? And I'm like, no,

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Speaker 2: I just want to like kind of sit down and

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Speaker 2: watch something else besides football college tape. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: excited to dive into all of it. You know, We're

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Speaker 2: gonna do some summer film watching at some point in

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Speaker 2: terms of like NFL stuff. You know, we dove in

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Speaker 2: a little bit to Killan Moore's offense a few weeks

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Speaker 2: ago on our show, and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Excited to do that. So yeah, all these pieces kind

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Speaker 1: of fit together. So, like Tyler said.

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Speaker 2: We are diving into this draft class we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: We're gonna approach this from a different kind of angle.

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Speaker 2: You know, everybody kind of does draft grades. We didn't

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Speaker 2: really want to do it that way. So we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have draft superlatives today, kind of six different categories to

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Speaker 2: break down hopefully some of all of the selections, if not,

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Speaker 2: you know, a couple of pieces.

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Speaker 1: Here and there.

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Speaker 2: So we are going to talk first and foremost about

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Speaker 2: Quentin Johnson. He's the first arm pick, he's the big name.

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Speaker 2: So we'll all kind of break things down there, and uh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to dive things in, to dive into things

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Speaker 2: this afternoon. So as always, we are independent contract We

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Speaker 2: are not representatives from the Chargers organization, so the opinions

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Speaker 2: that we share on this podcast network do not always

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Speaker 2: reflect the opinions of the actual organization. So we're still

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Speaker 2: fans just like everybody listening to this, and we just

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Speaker 2: happened to be podcasting about the team on the team's channel,

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Speaker 2: So Tyler, let's dive in here first and foremost, with

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Speaker 2: the pick of Quenton Johnson. We've had a few days

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Speaker 2: now to simmer on things. The dust has settled, We've

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Speaker 2: went back and revisited some of his college tape. How

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Speaker 2: are you feeling about the selection of mister Quentin Johnson

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Speaker 2: with the twenty first pick by the Chargers last Thursday night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm feeling really really good about this pick. It's

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Speaker 3: a player that I wish we had talked about more.

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Speaker 3: But as we said on our live show, we went

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Speaker 3: in so many different directions that it was so obvious

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Speaker 3: that Quentin Johnson could have been the guy that that's

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Speaker 3: like we skipped over him somehow. We talked about who

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Speaker 3: it wouldn't be, or who would be later, but not

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Speaker 3: Quenton Johnson, not twenty one. But after looking at you

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Speaker 3: know him and what he does, reviewing the numbers and whatnot,

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Speaker 3: it almost just seemed like so obvious and it makes

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Speaker 3: so much sense for the Chargers considering what they need,

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Speaker 3: what they weren't so good at last year. And I

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Speaker 3: us by one origin from Pro Football Focus. This is

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Speaker 3: where the Chargers were at last year, the last two

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Speaker 3: is obviously in college football. But the Chargers, for lack

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Speaker 3: of better words, weren't the best at this. This is

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Speaker 3: last class, the best guy in terms of yards after

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Speaker 3: He's fantastic and even compared to some of the receivers

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Speaker 3: the charges were out last year. And again this is

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Speaker 3: college versus NFL. I get that, But if you feel

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Speaker 3: So just looking at that alone, I was so happy

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Speaker 3: And Kellen Moore is going to love using Quenton Johnston

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Speaker 3: That Herbert's kind of been they really had in a while,

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Speaker 3: And again that's what Chargers fans have been craving. Really

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Speaker 3: So I really like this pick. Man, I don't know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think in terms of instant reaction,

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Speaker 2: there wasn't a ton of like top twenty buzz surrounding

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Speaker 1: And that that was kind of like.

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Speaker 2: then like we like we were just talking about you know,

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Speaker 2: Quentin Johnson checked all these boxes and it was probably

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Speaker 2: So from a schematic fit, I really like this, this

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Speaker 2: and we greatly appreciate Argent for being able to you know,

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Speaker 1: And so just the ability that Quenton.

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Speaker 2: Has to take these short passes or take the long

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Speaker 2: And that's an elite trait. And when you're picking outside

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Speaker 2: And Quentin Johnson obviously has the athleticism in terms of

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Speaker 2: just picture, right Justin Herbert throwing a deep post to

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Speaker 2: and you can see it vice versa, right, like, how

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Speaker 2: Quentin Johnson because I think he can be a do

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Speaker 2: and we can certainly talk about his fit at some

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Speaker 2: your number two. He can be you know, an emphasis

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Speaker 2: I love his long term output. We talked about leading

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Speaker 2: Played with Justin Herbert, man like Justin Herbert is a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree. I don't think if we're going

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you talking about twenty twenty one, like you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to go with Matt Murdoch. Now I'm

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Speaker 3: I almost went day on Henley because by definition of

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling like so good about him overall. Do I

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Speaker 2: And two years ago, Boise State came here to Fresno,

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Speaker 2: the year when Jay Cayner was was most healthy, Jalen Cropper,

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Speaker 2: you know, Nico Rimikio, all these guys. That was the

434
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Speaker 2: year that fresent State had beaten UCLA and Boise State

435
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 2: was not exactly like a great They didn't have a

436
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 2: great season that year, but you would have thought that

437
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 2: this guy was the best player on the field. We're

438
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Speaker 2: on the best team in the Mountain West, best team

439
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Speaker 2: on the West Coast. With how much much he was talking,

440
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 2: and he backed it up. Man, he was living in

441
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Speaker 2: the backfield that day. I want to say he had

442
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 2: two tackles for loss. He had a sack on mister

443
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Speaker 2: j Cayner. And that really stuck out to me when

444
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,000
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, like I hear this guy talking about, oh,

445
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come for his souls And then Branda City

446
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 2: calls him a war daddy, and it just like in

447
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 2: terms of six round picks, man like, I think that

448
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 2: just is like, that's what you do with a six

449
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,639
Speaker 2: round You take a shot on a guy who just

450
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Speaker 2: has this kind of upside athletically as well as the

451
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Speaker 2: un the intangibles here with his leadership, I want to

452
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Speaker 2: say it was a captain of Boise State two and

453
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Speaker 2: just his his ferocious mentality I think is gonna be

454
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Speaker 2: a lot of fun to watch. So, uh, you mentioned

455
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Speaker 2: Daon Henley. I'm gonna go with Dayon Henley here myself.

456
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Speaker 2: In terms of best value, in terms of the consensus board,

457
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Speaker 2: this was the closest value pick of Tom Telesco's tenure.

458
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Speaker 2: In the third round, Keenan Allen was their consensus bars

459
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Speaker 2: were not around for Keenan Allen when he was drafted.

460
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Speaker 2: To clarify there, So Dayon Henley, I think from a

461
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Speaker 2: fit perspective, I really love the possibilities that you can

462
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Speaker 2: have with Dayon Henley as your linebacker three. Maybe he

463
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 2: kind of pushes for linebacker two. We'll see, but I

464
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Speaker 2: think your initial role for Dayon Henley is as a

465
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Speaker 2: third down weapon and you're gonna use him in coverage.

466
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Speaker 2: You're gonna use him as a blitzer because I do think,

467
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Speaker 2: like from a physicality standpoint, like it's gonna take him

468
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Speaker 2: a little bit to get used to the NFL level.

469
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Speaker 2: But again, the Chargers don't have to rush him out there,

470
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Speaker 2: so I think I think my favorite thing about mister

471
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Speaker 2: Dayan Henley is his ability.

472
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Speaker 1: In pass coverage.

473
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Speaker 2: Like you watch him and Washington State would use him

474
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Speaker 2: in the slot, they would use him to carry over routes,

475
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 2: they would use him as a deep hook in terms

476
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Speaker 2: of like a Tampa two coverage. So it's very easy

477
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Speaker 2: for me to see like the way that the Chargers

478
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: used Drew Tranquil last year in pass coverage and put

479
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 2: day On Henley in that kind of role, and I

480
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 2: think you can handle that. I think you can match

481
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Speaker 2: up with tight ends. I think he can carry over routes.

482
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Speaker 2: I think he can play, you know, middle hook and

483
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 2: be able to spy quarterbacks like I think his his

484
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 2: instincts in pass coverage are so so good, and then

485
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 2: you're able to use him as a pass as a

486
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Speaker 2: as a blitzer as well. So getting that kind of

487
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Speaker 2: player in the third round. He was my fourth highest

488
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Speaker 2: graded linebacker. Really it was probably like my favorite linebacker watch.

489
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Speaker 2: This linebacker Ross was not a lot of fun to

490
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Speaker 2: watch in general.

491
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Speaker 1: But day On was.

492
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Speaker 2: And you know, day On I think brings you a

493
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: lot of cool attributes to look at as well as

494
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Speaker 2: the potential fit here behind Eric KENDRICKX and Kenneth Murray

495
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 2: and the balance of that linebacker group. I think you

496
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: can see a lot of good things coming with that

497
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: with that unit.

498
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you talk about the coverage. Last year, Murray and

499
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 3: Tranquil blitzed one hundred and seventeen times for twenty nine

500
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 3: pressures and six sacks. They were surprisingly fourth and fifth

501
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 3: in past rush win rate out of sixty two linebackers.

502
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Speaker 3: Really good duo in that regard, Henley kind of get

503
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Speaker 3: the same thing, like it's exactly what the Chargers want

504
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: to work with, at least initially with him obviously, want

505
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: a complete three down linebacker that at minimum he could rush.

506
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: He rushed sixty seven times in college football last year

507
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 3: for eighteen pressures in five sacks, seventh best and pass

508
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 3: rush productivity out of eighty one linebackers. So you know,

509
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: a great scheme fit there. I think exactly what they

510
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 3: want to do and a bit of a steal to

511
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Speaker 3: go with it.

512
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Tyler, Let's move on to our

513
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 2: next superlative here, which is going to be the most

514
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Speaker 2: immediate impact?

515
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Speaker 1: Who would be your choice for that category.

516
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Speaker 3: I'm kind of hoping because he's the twenty first selection,

517
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: but I'm going with Quentin Johnson. I think that sure,

518
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 3: there's if he were a receiver that will had a

519
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: similar skill set as the other two guys and was

520
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: a bit redundant, then maybe I'd say this is gonna

521
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 3: take a bit. He's going to develop. But we just

522
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: talked about what he can do after the catch and

523
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: misstackles forced now how he can push the ball deep

524
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 3: and the Cowboys success and three wide receiver sets so

525
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 3: to me, and I think generally with the twenty first pick,

526
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Speaker 3: your first round pick, you're going to see the most

527
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Speaker 3: snaps anyway. But I do think Quentin Johnson is going

528
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Speaker 3: to have the most immediate impact. Again, maybe not the

529
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Speaker 3: raw numbers, He's not going to have fifteen hundred yards

530
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Speaker 3: if everybody stays healthy, but in terms of like per play,

531
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Speaker 3: red zone, yeah, you name it, Like he's going to

532
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Speaker 3: have that immediate impact that I think is greater than

533
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Speaker 3: the other guys that they drafted.

534
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've seen the Charges be patient with a

535
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Speaker 2: lot of their draft picks. They're not going to force

536
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 2: these players to play if they're not ready, right, So, Quentin, like,

537
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Speaker 2: I think he's the most pro ready of these options here,

538
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Speaker 2: but I'm going to actual going to go with two

539
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: below two for this one. I think you and I

540
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 2: focus so much on the edge rusher as a possibility

541
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Speaker 2: at twenty one because Edge three with this Brandon Stay

542
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: defense is a borderline starter. And we've seen whether it

543
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: be Kyler Factroll, whether it be Kyle Vanoy and Chris

544
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: Rump and even Kenneth Murray getting some run at edge rusher,

545
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: right like, that player is gonna play a ton And

546
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: we see in instances where Joey Bolso likes to kick inside,

547
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: Khalumac likes to kick inside, you know, and I think

548
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: you can it's easy to see too. Lee Twoy below

549
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: to playing a ton of snaps right away, and I

550
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: think he brings a skill set similar to Quentin that

551
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: is very needed along the defensive line. I think the

552
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: Chargers needed to get stronger at the point of attack.

553
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: They needed to get more violent, more powerful and truly

554
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: gives you that. I think his greatest attribute as a

555
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: pass rusher as a run defender.

556
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: Are his violent hands.

557
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: You know, heavy hands is a phrase that you hear

558
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: a lot with him, and I think you can see

559
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: that all over ten. And I think he's a unique

560
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 2: skill set because you watch a game like against Stanford

561
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: and he's lining up as a nose, he's lined up

562
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 2: as a two tech, a three tech, a four tech.

563
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: And then you watch him against Washington State where a

564
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: game he had four sacks. He's straight up standing up

565
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: as an outside linebacker from a two point stance and

566
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Speaker 2: he gives you four four sacks like he was able

567
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: to fill so many different roles like for USC. And

568
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: you watch the game against UCLA too, and he's rushing

569
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Speaker 2: as a stand up inside linebacker like he did so

570
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: many different roles. And usually a guy like that in

571
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: college isn't producing a ton because it's hard to get

572
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: into a rhythm. It's hard to figure out like, okay,

573
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: do I do this well? Like what kind of past

574
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: rush arsal do I really have? When I'm not like

575
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: in that consistent mode as somebody who is just like

576
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: straight up lining up against the tackle and just going.

577
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: And you know, he was able to produce at anything

578
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: at any of those different roles.

579
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Speaker 1: So I love his ability to set the edge. I

580
00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: love his ability to.

581
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: Stack and shed at the point of attack and be

582
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: able to collapse the pocket is something that I think

583
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: is huge for him too, and use his power, use

584
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: his leverage to get under the pads of blockers.

585
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: I think was a skill set that was really needed

586
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: in this edge rusher group.

587
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: So gives them a lot of flexibility up front, gives

588
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: them a third edge rusher that can really, you know,

589
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: push things and collapse pockets and make plays, just be disruptive.

590
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: And you know, this was a guy who had thirteen

591
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 2: and a half sacks as a nineteen year old at

592
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 2: USC and it was the most sacks of any USC

593
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: defensive player since like two thousand and three. And so

594
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 2: I just think that he gives you a lot of upside.

595
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 2: He's only twenty years old still, but I love his

596
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: immediate impact on this team. It just gives him so

597
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: much flexibility on third down, so you can roll out Morgan,

598
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: fox him, Joey Khalil and just create mismatches, right, you know,

599
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: maybe you're relying him and Morgan against the guards. Maybe

600
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: it's Joey and Khalil against the guards. Maybe you stand

601
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: someone up like they different time to time. So I

602
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 2: think Truley just gives them so many more possibilities as

603
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: a chess piece, and you know, like really elevates the

604
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: floor of this pass rush.

605
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 3: I was so bummed that I did not watch him.

606
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: Of one hundred and twenty five, one hundred and thirty

607
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: players watched and I somehow missed him. But boy, just

608
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: watching him with the context of knowing he's on the

609
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 3: chargers and what he provides, it's like, oh, yeah, that's perfect.

610
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 3: How did I not watch him? How did I not

611
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: prioritize him? It was so impressive to see him be

612
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 3: productive in so many different ways. Sometimes you watch guys

613
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: and he's like, wow, they can do that, they can

614
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: do that, they line up here, they line up here,

615
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: but they're not really good at one of those things.

616
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: Like doing a lot of things doesn't mean you're always

617
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: good at them, but truly, and I think there are

618
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: things he's better at, like Tom Telusco does believe he's

619
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: more of an edge rusher, which he will be. But

620
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: I was just surprised to see how good. He was

621
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: at so many different things, so the flexibility of courses there.

622
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: We wanted an edge rusher in this class to be

623
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: able to kick Joybosa inside or do whatever, because the

624
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 3: mispatchers are so important for in Stily in this defense,

625
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: and Tuley just gives the opportunity to do so many

626
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: different things. So I'm really excited for this pick. I'm

627
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: really excited for Tulee. He's going to be a lot

628
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: of fun. Yeah, I still can't believe he's twenty. Man

629
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: like this is I know, like you just don't see

630
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: this kind.

631
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: Of production from a nineteen year old, you know, at

632
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: a at a school like USC. So you know, this

633
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: was an edge rusher group where there were a lot

634
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: of older players. You know, Keon White was a twenty

635
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: four year old prospect. You know, Will McDonald was older,

636
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: he was a five year senior. And so for Tuley

637
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: to have this kind of production, like I think the

638
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: thing with him, like he didn't test right, So there

639
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: just wasn't a ton of buzz around him because he

640
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: didn't test, you know, and maybe that's an issue for

641
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: some teams. Maybe teams like to have that kind of

642
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: you know, full picture when when grading a prospect, and

643
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: you know, I think fans and draft twitter are the

644
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: same way, so that could be an argument for him

645
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: providing a lot of value in terms of draft status

646
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: as well. So excited to see that one. All right

647
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: to move on here too. The best scheme fit this

648
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: could be a lot of different answers, So I'm curious

649
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 2: to see where you ultimately end up here. Who's your

650
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: favorite scheme fit with from this draft class.

651
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: Well, I won't have much more to add because it's

652
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: too late to hippolow too. He in terms of fit,

653
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: we just talked about it, right, Like everything they want

654
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: to do on defense is right there. You need him

655
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 3: or the other guys to put their hand in the dirt.

656
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: He'll do that. Rush over the a gap, He'll do that,

657
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: you know, stand up edge rusher, He'll do that. Like

658
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 3: the flexibility of what this team can do on defense

659
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: changes dramatically because of him. And you talked about the

660
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: power element and the violent hands, the active hands. They're there.

661
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: And again he's twenty years old. Joey Bosa. I was

662
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: listening to him on the Drew Tranquil podcast and he

663
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: was saying that he didn't really see the version of

664
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: himself that he really wanted until he was his fourth

665
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 3: year in the league or after four years in the league.

666
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: Some of these guys, you know, the edge rushers that

667
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: you mentioned, are twenty four. Now imagine having to wait

668
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: four years for him to get to, you know, twenty

669
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: eight years old, twenty seven to twenty nine, whatever it

670
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: is to be the best version of himself. Tully's not

671
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: turning twenty one until September, Ryan until about week one

672
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: of the season, and so just to have him in

673
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: this rotation kind of like Quinton Johnson, you had Keenan

674
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: Allen and Mike Williams. Well, here's edge Rushard Royalty to

675
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: learn from with Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa. So a

676
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: young player who's already very talented, you could do so

677
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: many things, who has a huge ceiling that he can hit,

678
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: learning from some of the best and also working with

679
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: Gift Smith and Jay Rodgers, I think to an extent amazing.

680
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: I love it for this game.

681
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.

682
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: I was mostly curious if you're going to choose Darius

683
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: Davis on special teams because we were big Ryan Fickin

684
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: fans on this show. I mean, how can you not

685
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: be after the success that he had in his first

686
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: year as a coach as special teams coordinator, So I'm

687
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: super excited to see what he's able to do with

688
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: a guy like Darius Davis with four to three six speed,

689
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: you know, five career punt return touchdowns.

690
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: Like that's gonna be a lot of fun.

691
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: My selection here is gonna be Jordan mcfannon, the offensive

692
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: tackle from mc clemson, again, somebody we didn't grade the

693
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: into your offensive line class. Was so much fun and

694
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: so I just there wasn't a ton of buzz about Jordan.

695
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: He was a Shrine Bowl guy, not a Senior Bowl guy,

696
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: not a young declary. So I'm sure that's part of it.

697
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: But diving into his tape over the weekend and kind

698
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: of reflecting back on how Kellen Moore likes to use

699
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: his into your offensive lineman as well as the tackles too,

700
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 2: to create rushing lanes at the second level in particular,

701
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: was a ton of fun to watch him work. And

702
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: you know, the Chargers have compiled a lot of great

703
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: second level blocking offensive lineman. Obviously it starts with Corey Lindsey.

704
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: You can talk about Zion Johnson, you can talk about

705
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: Rashaun slater Trey Pipkins as well, and Jordan mcfahnen is

706
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: the next in the line here. Like, I love watching

707
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: him get to the second level, whether that's you know,

708
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: pulling out to pulling out on a screen, whether that's

709
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: working a comma block and getting to a linebacker at

710
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: the second level, whether that's doing a guard count GT

711
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: counter pulling across the formation. Jordan mcfannon is a violent, nasty,

712
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: athletic freak of an offensive lineman and I cannot wait

713
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: to see what kind of possibilities this offense draws up

714
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: for him, And I think there's some work that needs

715
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: to be had in the passing game. I definitely think

716
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: he's more of a run blocker than a pass protector.

717
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: But shifting him potentially to guard I think elevate or

718
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: alleviates a lot of the concerns that I have as

719
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: a pass protector. But the way that he's able to

720
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: fit into this group of interier offensive linement specifically and

721
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: just be able to use any of the four I mean,

722
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: Jamari is not necessarily a great second level blocker, but

723
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: you know, he's just like so strong at the point

724
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: of attack. You know, if Jordan mcfannon has to come in.

725
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: I think you can do a lot of similar things

726
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: that you do is ye On and Corey Linsley in

727
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: terms of getting them to the second level, and so

728
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: schematic wise.

729
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: The fit of Jordan McFadden in the fifth round being

730
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: able to.

731
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: Pare him in this kind of rushing scheme where they're

732
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: gonna get these offensive linemen on the move, I'm a

733
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: big fan of that.

734
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, just watching all of these guys on day three, Davis,

735
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 3: we already knew about. But watching someone like like Matt Locke,

736
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: like McFadden, You're like, how did I not think of

737
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: these guys? How do I find these guys earlier? Why

738
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: wasn't there more buzz for them? And maybe just is

739
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 3: the tackle to guard convert sort of thing where you

740
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: know when Jamori Sawer, yes, I know there was a

741
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: sort of pre draft injury, but even with that, he

742
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: shouldn't have fallen into the sixth round and someone like

743
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 3: McFadden perfect player, no, but watching what he can do,

744
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 3: it's such a surprise that he was there in the

745
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: fifth ront because he's so good at so many things

746
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: and really does fit the scheme better. I think Jamori

747
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: Sawier right away is a better guard. I don't think

748
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 3: there's any question about that. Jamari Sawer in college at

749
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: tackle was a much better tackle I think than McFadden overall.

750
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 3: I mean, you see that against Aidan Hudginson and David

751
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: Ojabo in that year. With that set in terms of

752
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: scheme and how they want to get their guys on

753
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: the move, McFadden is perfect for them. You showed a

754
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 3: screenshot of him and the rest of his offensive line

755
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 3: and who fires off the ball first. He's like onto

756
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: his second step before some of the other games have moved.

757
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: So he's a ton of fun. Again. I think I

758
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: said this on social media recently, but pick to pick,

759
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: beginning to end. This is my favorite draft class of

760
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: Tom Telsco's in quite some time, at least since we've

761
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: been on the pod, because every player just seems to

762
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 3: fit the scheme so well, and they're good players, really

763
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 3: really good job well done.

764
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And you know McFadden also another alumni of

765
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: offensive line masterminds with Duke manny Weather, so continue to

766
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: pull from that pipeline. I'm a big fan of that

767
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: process in general, so very curious to see what kind

768
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: of if an injury does happen in offensive tackle. Obviously,

769
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: we're hoping nothing happens knock on wood. Hopefully Slater and

770
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 2: Pipkins play all seventeen games, eighteen games, nineteen, whatever it takes.

771
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: But you know, if an injury does happen, I'm curious

772
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: to see if Mari is that guy to kick out

773
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: or mcfannon just comes in at tackle, you know, knowing

774
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: he played both left tackle and right tackle in college,

775
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 2: or if that's Foster surreup.

776
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: At backup swing tackle.

777
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: So it just seems like the Chargers have really valued

778
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: that flexibility from these college offensive line. Mean, Brendon Heimus

779
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: is another guy here who played left tackle at Erasca,

780
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: played it well. He's played mostly guard and some center

781
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: for the Chargers. So it just seems that they're really

782
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: valuing these guys who have played a lot of different spots.

783
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: Maybe they were a tackle and then like just break

784
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: in case of emergency, you know, breaking glass, you can

785
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: kick them back out to where they played in college

786
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 2: and just have that kind of familiarity.

787
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: And obviously that's what happened with you Mari last year.

788
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see what they do with the depth. I

789
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: think that's something we'll talk about maybe in a bit,

790
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 3: but as far as flexibility along that interior, and then again,

791
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: break class, break glass. In case of emergency players, you're

792
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: feeling good, Like the worst case scenario, you put guys

793
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: who have experienced at tackle, left right, guard, left right, whatever.

794
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 3: You can play them out there if obsolutely needed during

795
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: a game, and you know, of course, maybe there's a

796
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: drop off in play, like if a Shaun Slatter gets hurt,

797
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: there's a drop off in play. Sorry, Like, regardless of

798
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: who you are, not many guys were better than Mishaun Slater,

799
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: maybe two or three in the entire NFL. But you

800
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: won't have to sacrifice your scheme, Like maybe the play

801
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: will decrease, but the scheme won't be sacrificed because of

802
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 3: someone like McFadden. So yeah, love the pick for sure.

803
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's move on here to biggest surprise,

804
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: maybe a draft pick that may made you stand up

805
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: out of your chair and go ooh, I didn't necessarily

806
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: think about this player here, or maybe the scheme fit.

807
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: What's your selection here, Tyler?

808
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: I could have picked most of them. And again we

809
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: didn't talk about Quinton Johnson as much as we did,

810
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: and I didn't watch Tulie two whip below too, So

811
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: everyone was kind of a surprise to me, but I

812
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: think it really was Darius Davis from TCU. I definitely

813
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 3: wanted to talk about him today regardless, I would have

814
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: made up a category for him. But it's not a

815
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 3: surprise that they went with another receiver or another returner.

816
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: But I didn't think they would add another one so

817
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: early after taking Johnston at twenty one, and Telusco has

818
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: never taken two receivers in the first four rounds before,

819
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 3: and he's never added someone with this physical profile like

820
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: Tevin Reese was close about the same weight, but he

821
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 3: was taller. Yeah, but don't tell Darius Davis he's small man,

822
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: because like he can squat five point fifty at a

823
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: buck sixty five as one as Feldman's freaks. The guy's legit.

824
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see this, this matchup between Eckler

825
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: and Davis, for you know, the pound for pounds, strongest

826
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: guy in the weight room. So I didn't think they'd

827
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 3: take a returner this early. I didn't think they would

828
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 3: take someone that's very different than what they're used to

829
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: on offense at receiver, but they added one of the

830
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: best returners in college football. So you know, I can't

831
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: be disappointed there.

832
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think biggest surprise definitely fits. But also I

833
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: think you could frame this in like a future training camp,

834
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: like who's going to be the biggest surprise pickm hmm,

835
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: because I think he's being framed as a returner only

836
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: right now. But I think he has legit receiver tape too,

837
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: man Like. I know that he's smaller and stuff like that,

838
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: but there are some times where he really routes up

839
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: these dbs, Like I shared a clip on Twitter against

840
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: the West Virginia game and he turned the corner around twice,

841
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: like both at the point of his release as well

842
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: as at the top of the route too. So there's

843
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: some elusiveness here that I think is being underrated. He's

844
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: not just like a straight line speed guy. Although he

845
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: runs a four to three six he's very very fast.

846
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: But I think you could it's pretty easy for me

847
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: to see him slotting into that kind of role that

848
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: DeAndre Carter had on an offense where it's you know,

849
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: heavy on the posts, heavy on the on the go balls.

850
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: Let's give him some crossers every once in a while.

851
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: Let's see what he can do after the catch. Let's

852
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: hand on the ball as a jet sweep guy, Let's

853
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: throw him some screens every once in a while. I mean,

854
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: the yards after catch ability between these two players is

855
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: really going to help the Chargers give them some easy

856
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: layups that they didn't really have last year. So you know,

857
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if Darius Davis pushed for like

858
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: legit snaps at receiver. Man, I really wouldn't like whether

859
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: that's as a wide receiver for I think he's probably

860
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: a bit much, But like, I don't think he's just

861
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: coming in to be a returner. I think there's a

862
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: lot of upside here to be had as well in

863
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 2: terms of receiving ability.

864
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kellen Moore watched Cavante Turpin do it last year

865
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: as a returner as a smaller guy from TCU. He

866
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: had a wopping six receiving yards. So I'm hoping for

867
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: a bit more of that more than that for Davis

868
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 3: this year, and I think he can provide that and

869
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: Brandon Staley DoD come out and say he gives this

870
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: team that fifth wide receiver element. So you know, I

871
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 3: do think he has to compete with Jill and Guiden

872
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: officially for that lot, but Guidton is currently not healthy.

873
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: He's getting there, of course, he's not one hundred percent though,

874
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 3: So I think they have some plans for him, and

875
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: I don't think it's you know, ten touches a game,

876
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: but I think just every now and then you keep

877
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: him active. Of course, he'll be the returner as is,

878
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 3: and you can just do a couple of different things

879
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 3: with them. You just sprinkle that on film because every

880
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: once in a while you want to be able to

881
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: show that look or just use that player for something

882
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: that the defense wasn't expecting. So do I think he

883
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: has twenty touches this year? Maybe not, But I think

884
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: there's going to be, you know, every other game at

885
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: least one meaningful snap where there's a target or a

886
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 3: handoff where he does something special. Maybe not every down,

887
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: of course. Like I do think he's wide receiver five

888
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: at max, but it's going to be an important role,

889
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: even in a very small role.

890
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think just having that confidence of him as

891
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: your wide receiver five, like that's huge. I mean, in

892
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, the Charges really only had four because

893
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: Andre Roberts was really not much of a threat as

894
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: a receiver. He was a great returner and had some

895
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: great moments that year and this past season, you know,

896
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: whether there was just always an injury, right And I

897
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: think having Darius Davis as your wide receiver five is

898
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,479
Speaker 2: going to elevate the floor of that unit for sure.

899
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: All Right, last one here, Tyler. There's been a lot

900
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: of positivity on this show, rightfully so. But biggest concern

901
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: post draft, whether that is a unit or a pick

902
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: that they didn't make, or you know, a certain spot

903
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: on the depth chart.

904
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: What's kind of your concern at.

905
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: This point after the drafty a combination of all those things.

906
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 3: And it's backup offensive tackle. Now, there are options there.

907
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 3: They might decide to Frankenstein's Monster this thing and say, okay,

908
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: we can get you know, high miss in this situation.

909
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: Maybe it's Serah, maybe it's McFadden. You know, maybe Salier

910
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: kicks out or whatever. And there is a world where

911
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: they could do that, and they might do that. But

912
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: right now, we just came off a season where when

913
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: Pipkins went down and let's say if Jamari Sallier was

914
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: not able to kick out the tackle, we saw a

915
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: lot of struggles, right There's a lot of struggles with

916
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: that blocking unit when Pipkins in particular went down, and

917
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 3: he went down several times, toughed it out right amazingly

918
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 3: so and earned his contract again. Hope these guys all

919
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: stay healthy. But Rashaun Slater didn't finish the season, was

920
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 3: out by week three. Trey Pipkins was in out of

921
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: the line up I think three or four times with

922
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: a pretty significant injury last year, And right now there's

923
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: no true backup swing depth tackle. Maybe they feel that way,

924
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: but right now, just as me looking at the roster,

925
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: I'm worried about that spot in particular more than anything else.

926
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment.

927
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: I think ideally you'd want to have a reliable veteran

928
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: back there, so like I think Will Clapp could fill

929
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: fill in at either guard spot if they needed him

930
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: to in place obviously backup center like he did last year.

931
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: Just having somebody who could play reliable snaps I think

932
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: would be a huge for the met offensive tackle. For me,

933
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: it has to be the tight end room. And I

934
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: think this is not necessarily about Gerald Everett, Ordonald Parram

935
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: or Trey McKitty as players, but just like the way

936
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: that it functions together is a concern for me. And

937
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: this was the deepest tight end class we've probably ever seen.

938
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: And you could go legitimately like fifteen deep at this

939
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: position in this draft and you could find a legitimate,

940
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: you know, potential playmaker down the road.

941
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,479
Speaker 1: And the Charters did the way that the board fell.

942
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: They didn't feel comfortable taking the tight end and clearly

943
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: they were not going to force that option. And I

944
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: totally understand why because you have these guys who have

945
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: played a lot for you, but you know, the Chargers

946
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: might do wide receiver heavy looks, but one of the

947
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: biggest problems of the offense last year was just the

948
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: tight end functionality was not where it needed to be.

949
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: I think Gerald Everett is an above average receiving threat.

950
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: I think he does a lot of great things as

951
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: the yards after catch player. I mean, he was arguably

952
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: the best offensive player on the field in the playoff

953
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: game against Jacksonville, and you can do a lot of

954
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 2: fun things with him. We know what Donald Parham can

955
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: do whenever he's healthy, but that's a big if at

956
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: this point, you know, coming off of the concussion, coming

957
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: off to the back to back hamstring injuries, we just

958
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: don't know if he can stay on the field, and

959
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: Trey McKitty has been pretty up and down as a blocker,

960
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: hasn't necessarily that he can handle a lot as a

961
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: wide receiver, and so like we all kind of pegged

962
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: the tight end as a spot that they really needed,

963
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: especially to run this Kellen Moore offense, and they haven't

964
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: addressed that. So I think if everybody is performing well,

965
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: like you feel really good about the tight end unit, right,

966
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: But I just think they they are missing that fourth

967
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 2: piece to challenge one of the three, you know, whether

968
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 2: that was another receiver to challenge Everett, whether that was

969
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: another blocker to challenge Parmam mckittie. They just I felt

970
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 2: like they needed to add another body into the unit,

971
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: and you know, they did it, And so I can

972
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: understand why. I can understand why you roll with the

973
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: same three from last year. I'm a big fan of

974
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: the players individually, but I think, just like I think,

975
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: the unit is just missing an element of functionality that

976
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: I would have liked to see them add to in

977
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: this draft.

978
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 3: And I think they are going to address that at

979
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: some point. I'm not saying they're going to get someone

980
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: to start over Gerald ever, to this point, I don't

981
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 3: think that's happening. But I do think they're going to

982
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 3: add a body there. I think Brendan Steely said, I mean,

983
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 3: he came out and said, you can't always get what

984
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 3: you want, you know what you need in the draft.

985
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 3: And I think, especially because that was in response to

986
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: a question about tight End, I think you just know

987
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: that maybe they feel like they miss an opportunity. There

988
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: weren't many opportunities, like you said, because the way the

989
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: board fell kind of like in some of our simulations,

990
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: it's just right before the Chargers picked that guys they

991
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: wanted and that round were gone. So you know, when

992
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: you preferred them to reach in round three for someone

993
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: reaching round four for someone not really and again with

994
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 3: the players they selected, I'm very happy, so I understand

995
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 3: why they didn't. But I do think they're going to add,

996
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: and I think they at least should add so they

997
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: have a nice rotating stable because next year, you know,

998
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: who knows, if Gerald Everet's gone, what is your receiving option.

999
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if they have a solid pure receiving

1000
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: option out there for them, but maybe that's something they

1001
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 3: address in the draft next year.

1002
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's that's the thing too, is that it's

1003
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: a free agent after the season. I mean Donald Parham

1004
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: was he's a one year deal, right or see two

1005
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: year deal.

1006
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 3: Maybe he's a two year deal, but I think most

1007
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 3: of these two year deals are quote unquote two year deals,

1008
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: you know.

1009
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So it just like the way that the

1010
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: board felt it was not very friendly, tight and friendly

1011
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: for the Charger. For sure, we felt like heading into

1012
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 2: day two that it was gonna be tight and friendly,

1013
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: and then Laporta, Mayor, and Musgrave all went like significantly

1014
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: earlier than the Chargers were going to pick. There were

1015
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: some medical concerns about Darneld Washington, and then you know,

1016
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 2: the Chargers take they take tu Lee right at fifty four,

1017
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: and then Luke Schoonmaker goes right off the board right

1018
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: after that, which I felt like was a bit rich.

1019
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: I felt like him taking him at fifty six or

1020
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: fifty four would have not been good value. So again

1021
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 2: I understand the Chargers played the board the right way.

1022
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: I just I wish they would have been able to

1023
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: add a tight end at some point, both for the

1024
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: short term and the long term. So maybe they addressed

1025
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: that with one of with a potential veteran free agent.

1026
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: We'll see, the roster is at eighty eight players right now,

1027
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: so they only have two open spots, and how they

1028
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 2: go about addressing some of their spots their open spots

1029
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 2: is gonna be interesting over the next couple of Yeah.

1030
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: And as we saw last year, within about two weeks

1031
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: of the draft, they signed three different free agents who

1032
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: I didn't know were available or I didn't know the

1033
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 3: Chargers could even do that, and they did. So you know,

1034
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 3: I'll give it some time. Brand and Staley said after

1035
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: the draft there's a window where they could add guys,

1036
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: and then in training can there's a window where they

1037
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: can add guys if they don't feel like they have

1038
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 3: the guys that they need. So, whether it's now, whether

1039
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: it's in a few months, I think they'll add someone,

1040
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: whether it is tackle or whether it is tight end.

1041
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: Right, And like I said, overall, I really appreciated their

1042
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: approach in this draft, just adding good football players fortify

1043
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 2: the depth of this team overall, and then we can

1044
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: kind of plug holes down the road, whether that's the

1045
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: run drafted free agency, whether that's the veteran free agency.

1046
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: We'll see, all right, Tyler, final thoughts as we wrap

1047
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 2: up our post draft coverage this week.

1048
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: I am so excited to get into the dead months

1049
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: of the offseason where nothing happens and we got to

1050
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 3: make stuff up and makeup games or something in rankings.

1051
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 3: But now I'm truly excited. And again here in the

1052
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: Charges YouTube channel, we really do appreciate this as an honor.

1053
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: So I'm having fun. Man.

1054
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. And we

1055
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: it's not the dead period yet. You know, we got

1056
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: the schedule release coming out in a couple of times.

1057
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: You're gonna be great. Whatever it is, it's gonna be great.

1058
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, we know the.

1059
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 2: Chargers are gonna go hard with that one. We also

1060
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: have a lot of fun interviews coming, you know, one

1061
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: of the series that we do, there's definitely a big

1062
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: interview happening tomorrow. I'm gonna tease that one right now.

1063
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: So that's gonna be on our channel to get to

1064
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 2: his Charge podcast channel, So make sure and go check

1065
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: that one out. But one thing we do every single

1066
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: year too is interview these beat writers who cover these

1067
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: prospects throughout their college days, you know. And that's that's

1068
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: a series that I really enjoy doing. Uh, you know,

1069
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: we've gotten some great background information on guys like like

1070
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: last year we had the Wake Forest guy come on

1071
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: and talk about John Taylor and provide some great insight into,

1072
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: you know, his background, and the same thing with Jamari

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Speaker 2: Sallier and his background. So there's definitely some fun things

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