1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: School of Humans. This show follows the investigation of serial 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: murders and contains material that may be disturbing. Listener discretion advised. 3 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: In late December of twenty fifteen, LaRue Stein made a 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: call to Discovery Life Insurance inquiring about a payout due 5 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: to his aunt, Cecilia Stein. 6 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for holding for me, Luro. I 7 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 3: am waiting in the system to generate the claim number 8 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: for us maker. I'm going to also need your. 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: E After Michaela's death, Zach Valentine received five hundred thousand 10 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: rand or twenty seven four hundred and seventy US dollars 11 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: from her life insurance policy. Cecilia, recognizing this as a 12 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: potential way to make a lot of fast money, ensured 13 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: that she was named as Zach's soul beneficiary. 14 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: Did he have any kids or one? 15 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 4: He didn't have kids, and his wife was quite nice. 16 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 4: Actually we knew her quite well as well. But a 17 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 4: few years ago they broke into the house and said 18 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 4: that she was there and she got murdered as well. 19 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, say man. 20 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 2: The insurance agent then askel Rue if Zach was his 21 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: best friend, Well, basically. 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 4: I've known him since I was basically twelve years old, 23 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 4: and we did create it together. We went fishing together, 24 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 4: we did together. I didn't have a follow in my 25 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 4: life or a big brother, so he was maybe a 26 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 4: big brother as a father and everything he was and 27 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 4: he's the only my own old model in my life. 28 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 4: So I just turned twenty the other day. I mean, 29 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 4: we did everything together, man, That's why we were really close. 30 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 4: And that's why he said, if anything happen, make sure 31 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 4: his mom is okay, he's cats okay, his family everything 32 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 4: sort out. 33 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 3: And what's your mom's name. 34 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 4: My mom's plame is Miranda Arenda. And my aunt's name 35 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 4: whose nine him? Since you was basically seven years old, 36 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 4: Cecilia status. 37 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: I see, So I'll forward it through to the broker. 38 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 3: You're more than welcome to contact the broker if you 39 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: want to deal with it, and you can get a 40 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 3: little of racharity from the beneficiary. 41 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: The rue tells the insurance agent that the beneficiary is 42 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: right there with us. 43 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, the room, but she's like, she really devastated. Must 44 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 4: I give her the phone by any jones? 45 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: Okay, you can. If she can agree for me to 46 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 3: send the requirements through to you, then that will be fine. 47 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: I won't need to send it to the broker. 48 00:02:54,639 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 4: Okay, just give me a sure he's the agreement. 49 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: For I don't know about you, but to me, those 50 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: sound like real tears. It would make sense after all 51 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: the rue had been through that lies or not, he 52 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: was genuinely distraught. He put Cecilia Stein on the line. 53 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 3: Ill, Hi am speaking sill she lasteyn Cecilia, please, can 54 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 3: you come from your ID for me? Okay, it's uh, 55 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: that's not I don't know what it means, you know. Okay, 56 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: can you just give me such hard No problem. 57 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: Cecilia sobs into the phone for a while, and then 58 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: returns and gives the agent her idea number. 59 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Cecilia. Okay, can you just come 60 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: from and re reside for me over the phone if 61 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: it's took care for me to send the requirements to 62 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: the ruse email. 63 00:03:54,680 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 4: Address used to work with doc I Discoveries. 64 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: Only two thousands, Okay, no problem, Thank you very much, 65 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: and I'm very sorry for you last day. 66 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 5: Thank you very much. 67 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 6: Pleasure. 68 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: Okay, bye bye. 69 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: The responsibility of claiming this payout was now in the 70 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: hands of a twenty year old LaRue Stein from School 71 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: of Humans and iHeart podcasts. This is Queen Havoc and 72 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: her murder Cult. I'm your host, Kurt Koubachak, Episode seven, 73 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: Abhorrent Behavior. 74 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 7: This is so good. 75 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 2: It's a warm winter day here in Johannesburg. Journalist Jana 76 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: Marx invited us over to enjoy a traditional South African 77 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: bride a gathering outdoors. Yanna makes us feel right at home. 78 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: The flames of the fire, look at the meat on 79 00:04:54,720 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: the grill, several different meats season with Paprika, cloves, brown show, bugger, 80 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: and honey. The aromas are new, but familiar and wonderfully inviting. 81 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 2: As we dig into the bride, we discussed possibly heading 82 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: out to downtown Joe Burt to one of the biggest 83 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: sports matches in the country to watch the spring Box 84 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: play rugby. After lunch, we dive into more details of 85 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: the case involving Joan and Peter Meyer. This double homicide 86 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: is the first of what would become known as the 87 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: Appointment murders. 88 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 8: It could have been me and you. They were doing 89 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 8: regular jobs, showing up for appointment and they were killed. 90 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: The Krugersdorp Killings is an umbrella title given to all 91 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: the murders carried out by Electus Perdaeis. But there were 92 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: two waves. The revenge killings aimed at Ria Grunewald that 93 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: took place in twenty twelve, and then the appointment murders 94 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: seven killings that occurred between November of twenty fifteen and 95 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: June of two thousand and six. Team these happened in 96 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: such quick succession that Krugersdorp was once again consumed by fear. 97 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: Investigative journalist Maritzka kots Here lived in the area at 98 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: the time and covered this second wave of homicides. You know, 99 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 2: it was scary because you didn't know who the killers were. 100 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: You know, you think a serial killer, but what does 101 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: a serial killer look like? 102 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 3: It can be anyone around us. 103 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: Reflecting on the case files, detective Ben Boyson thought the 104 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,679 Speaker 2: murder of Joan and Peter Meyer looked like a classic 105 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: robbery gone wrong, but the seasoned detective kept turning over 106 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: the facts. 107 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 7: I think Cecilia told him that it must be a robbery. 108 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 7: But I think at the end of the day, Marenda 109 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 7: and Zack by himself decided, no, we're going to get 110 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 7: this ten million run from his house and then. 111 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 6: We're going to kill them. 112 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 7: Because if you go and rob somebody, you cover your face. 113 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: By this logic, no mass were necessary for Mirenda and Zach. 114 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: While Cecilia she may have forgiven this betrayal of her orders, 115 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: she had not forgotten it. If Zach Valentine had come 116 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 2: back to her with millions of rants instead of a 117 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: measly forty or so bucks, she might have let it slide. 118 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: The plan was to go rob them, and then the 119 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: robbery became a murder. 120 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 6: The fact that Zach killed them. 121 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: Angered even more, because that was never part of a plan. 122 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: Because of this epic failure by Zach, Cecilia shifted her 123 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: strategy for fattening her and epd's coffers. To do that, 124 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: EPD would have to be more loyal than vengeful, more 125 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: brains and less blood. Zach's life insurance policy was worth 126 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: three point five million Rand roughly two hundred thousand US dollars. 127 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: That would go a long way, and thus they'd all agreed. 128 00:07:52,560 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 2: Zach concluded he needed to die, except not really. As 129 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: long as the cops and insurance company never caught on. 130 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: Zach was worth a lot more dead than alive. All 131 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: they needed now was a corpse and a fool proof 132 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: hiding spot. Jared Jackson was a forty one year old 133 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: street vendor. Jared and his partner Candace, both struggled with addiction. 134 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: To make money, they sold snacks outside the hospital, the 135 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: one across the street from Casana Flats. Here's detective Ben Boysen. 136 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 7: So they befriend it Garret because he was a homeless 137 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 7: guy and who's going to miss only his golfriend and 138 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 7: they were both sleeping on the street. 139 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, to Cecilia, Jared was someone the cops overwhelmed as 140 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: they were probably wouldn't spend too much time looking for. Also, 141 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: he and Zach could easily be mistaken for one another, 142 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 2: especially from far away. But there was one person who 143 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: would never mistake Jared for anyone else, his fiance, Candace Ellison. 144 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: She sat for an interview broadcast on jack Randa FM 145 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 2: in February of twenty twenty two. She reflected a bit 146 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: on what came. 147 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: Before growing up in difficult household, getting into drugs to survive, 148 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: and thinking that was the answer every bad, horrible story 149 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: you hear. I've pretty much loved. 150 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: It, but then she met Jared. 151 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: Girls are raised to look for their prince charming, and 152 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: it's something that I did constantly trying to find that 153 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: beautiful moment, and I met Jared and we had beautiful moments. 154 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: And we also went to hell together quite literally on 155 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: the street heroin addicts, and it was not something I 156 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: would put my worst enemy through. 157 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: But in twenty fifteen, Candace was pregnant and the couple 158 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: was actively trying to find a path toward as sober, 159 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 2: healthy life. That's when they met Cecilia Steine. 160 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: He met Cecilia and the whole group, Zaka and Marinda 161 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: and all of them. And at the time, I remember thinking, 162 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: all these people are a little bit off, but they 163 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: seem to really care, they want to help. And it's 164 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: only afterwards that I realized that we were being groomed. 165 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: Throughout the winter of twenty fifteen, Cecilia conditioned Jared Jackson 166 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: and his fiance Candice Ellison to think that she was 167 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: someone who really cared about them and wanted to help. 168 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: Keep in mind, the seasons in South Africa are the 169 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: opposite of those in the States. First, she hired Jared 170 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: to sort through her storage room. She said he could 171 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 2: take whatever he liked and sell it if he got 172 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 2: rid of everything else for her. Later Cecilia offered the 173 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: room to Jared and candas as a place to crash. 174 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: There was no running water, and at night they would 175 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: have to be locked inside the tiny space so that 176 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: the other residents wouldn't get suspicious. But they needed the help, 177 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: and the couple was grateful. After all, it was cold 178 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: outside and at least they had each other. They were 179 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: off the streets and in love. Then one day the 180 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: following summer, on December sixteenth, twenty fifteen, he. 181 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: Walked out the door, looked back and said, just remember 182 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: I will always love you. And at the time I 183 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: was like, oh yeah, just just go come back just now, 184 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: not realizing what a moment that that would be the 185 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: last moment. 186 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: Zach and Cecilia made a point to run into Jared 187 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: that day. They said they needed his help with something 188 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 2: out of town. Cecilia lied and told him Zach was 189 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: epileptic and unable to drive alone. They appealed to Jared's 190 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 2: good nature and asked him to help. She'd been so 191 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: good to him and Candace after all, and they could 192 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: even advance him one hundred rand. Jared broke and, indebted 193 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: to Cecilia, agreed. That was at four thirty pm. By nightfall, 194 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: Candace got. 195 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: Worried Jared didn't come home, which was totally unlike him. 196 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: He didn't stray very far. 197 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: When Jared still wasn't back by morning, Candace knew something 198 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: was terribly wrong. She tried calling Cecilia but got no response, 199 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: so she walked over to Casana Flats. Cecilia came to 200 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: the door when she saw Candace standing there. Cecilia's face 201 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: changed suddenly. She was in tears, sobbing while she explained 202 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: that Zach had been in an accident. He had a 203 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: seizure while he was driving, and he was now in 204 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: a coma cannas fell part. She assumed Jared must have 205 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: been in the car with Zack, but Cecilia reassured Candace 206 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 2: that Jared had bailed on the trip altogether. 207 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: I went to Cecilia's house, knowing that he'd gone there, 208 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: and she was like, nope, I never saw him. He 209 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: never came. 210 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the charred wreckage of a silver BMW was discovered 211 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: tucked into the tall grassland off to the side of 212 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 2: the road in petrus Stein, a little over two hours 213 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: south of Krueger'sdorp, burned beyond recognition. Officers found no skid marks, 214 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: no broken glass, no signs of a collision of any kind. 215 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: But inside they found a body. 216 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 9: He was found in a car with a pipe through 217 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 9: the exhaust, and then the pulice said, okay, he committed suicide. 218 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 2: The previous afternoon, Zach drove the BMW that same car, 219 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 2: which was due to be repossessed by the bank, with 220 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,359 Speaker 2: Jared there in the passenger seat, LaRue just behind him. 221 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: It's not hard to imagine them when ripping through the 222 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: windows and a South African summer evening, Jared squinting in 223 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: the dusty light, turning inward as they leave the city limits. 224 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: The way a long car ride urges reflection from the 225 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: back seat. LaRue hands Jared a mango juice he packed 226 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: for the drive. Jared drinks it down quickly. As the 227 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: minutes pass with the setting sun, it can't stay awake, 228 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: sleeping pills again. LaRue slowly unravels blue and red twine 229 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: from a spool. With one quick move, he sits forward 230 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: and loops the twine around Jared's throat there in the 231 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: seat in front of him. Jared struggles, He flails, He 232 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: kicks the dashboard, fighting for his life, but without air. 233 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: He can't fight for long. As Jared thrashes, Zak almost 234 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: loses control. The silver BMW swerves across the lane. In 235 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: the car behind them, Mirinda and John Barnard follow. A 236 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: few jagged moments pass Zach's car slows and pulls off 237 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: to the side of the road. That's their signal, Jared 238 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: Jackson is dead. They prop his lifeless body up behind 239 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 2: the wheel. Zak plants his phone on the passenger seat, 240 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: evidence to be found. Next, John and LaRue loop a 241 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: hose from the car's exhaust pipe and feed it into 242 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: the front window. They pour paraffin wax on the car 243 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: and push the BMW through the grass toward the tree line. 244 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: A match is thrown, the car goes up. It burns 245 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: bright and hot, a blossom of flames against the dark 246 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: as the three men stare at the fire, licking the 247 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: Knight's air. Jared's body will be of little use to 248 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: any investigator, or so they hoped. 249 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 9: You couldn't even see that it's a human being. 250 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 5: It's like a piece of an animal that was burnt 251 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 5: in a feltfire. 252 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: Now they had a body. Next, it was time to 253 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: make the reel. Zach Valentine disappear. 254 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 7: When they killed Tedet, they brought Zach to this hotel, 255 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 7: de Ahrabert Hotel. 256 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 9: So this is the first place where he was hiding. 257 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: The next morning, while Candace searched for Jared, Marinda called 258 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: the officer who had been investigating the Meyer murders. She 259 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: contacted him on his private cell phone number. She explained 260 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: in a quivering voice that Zach died the previous night. 261 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: He would not be taking his polygraph tests later that month. 262 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: Mirinda also requested that her own tests be postponed to 263 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: January seventh, twenty sixteen, three weeks away. The officer agreed 264 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: to the rescheduling, but was then quickly consumed by the 265 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: constant barrage of other present cases. 266 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 5: After Zach died, and actually got so much cases that 267 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 5: the guys went cold. 268 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 7: The last entry in that. 269 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 5: Murder was in January twenty sixteen, and I took over 270 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 5: in June July twenty to sixteen, So from January till 271 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 5: that time nothing happened. 272 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: On that case. By now, Mirinda felt she was a 273 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: pro at evading law enforcement. Lucky for the people of 274 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 2: Kruger's Door, Discovery Life insurance was far more thorough than 275 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 2: the police less overwhelmed and trained to sniff out fraud. 276 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: That same morning, after successfully shaking the police off their trail, 277 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: Mirinda traveled out of town to the morgue to identify 278 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: Zach Valentine's dead body. This was the first step in 279 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: the process of claiming his life insurance policy. She posed 280 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: as his sister, and she brought along a friend. Remember 281 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 2: Cecilia's husband Drees. The cop well his brother in law 282 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: tagged along and posed as Mirenda's husband. A seemingly suspect ruse, 283 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: but will keep going. According to Detective Ben and Colonel 284 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: Christelle Boysen, the four couple allegedly made a shady deal 285 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: with the coroner in charge of Jared Jackson's burned up body. 286 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 8: Even the mortuary official that allowed this identification. They paid 287 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 8: off because we will never accept an identification like this 288 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 8: to say this is my brother. There has to be 289 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 8: DNA taken to say this is my DNA, this is 290 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 8: my brother's DNA. 291 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 2: The two seasoned officers told us that typically the mortuary 292 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 2: official must provide a written statement confirming the identity of 293 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: a body. This process is supposed to be done under 294 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 2: oath in the presence of a law enforcement official. 295 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 7: She took a statement from them, and then she owtho 296 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 7: statement her self, using another police officer's signature, defrauding it. 297 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 2: Now armed with doctored paperwork, Marinda had it straight to 298 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 2: the funeral home. She requested they handle the cremation as 299 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: soon as possible. To do so required written permission from 300 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: next of kin in this case, Zach's parents. Thrown by 301 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: this surprise, Mirinda and her fake husband agreed to return 302 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: the following day with the written permission along with payment. Cecilia, 303 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: in the meantime, was on damage control. Working from the 304 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 2: safety of Cassana Flats. She placated a frantic Canvae, still 305 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 2: searching for her fiance. 306 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: She said, I'll help you. Look, I'll contact the morgue, 307 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: I will contact the hospitals. And she seemed genuinely of 308 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: said she was going to help me look, and then 309 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: that she even obviously we were still really struggling. She 310 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: gave me fifty rand. She said, here, go get something 311 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: to eat. I'll let you know if I hear anything. 312 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, the appointment murders would continue to stain Krugersdorp with blood, 313 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: while Discovery Life Insurance stalled on the Zach Valentine payout. 314 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: The company eventually conducted their own investigation, which included a 315 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: house call an in person interview with the beneficiary. Cecilia 316 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 2: had been preparing for this role her entire life. 317 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 6: Wayzy's wife. She died three years ago. 318 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 2: The insurance investigation conducted by Discovery Life was recorded on video. 319 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 2: The assessors wore body cams to preserve evidence, safeguard themselves, 320 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: and confirm the validity of the claim. In matters of 321 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: grief and money, emotions run high, and beloved or even 322 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: estranged relatives may act erratically. The audio we're going to 323 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: share with you now is pulled from the shaky video 324 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 2: of Cecilia's interview with these representatives. It starts as the 325 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: insurance agents enter Cecilia's apartment. 326 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 5: Hello. 327 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: There are quite a few things that stand out about 328 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: this initial impression of Cassana Flats. First and foremost, it's 329 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: the noise. There is a din that surrounds and penetrates 330 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: Casana Flats. There's the swinging of rusted iron and steel 331 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: slamming against metal framed doorways. The city bus and cars 332 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 2: rush by, not to mention the hospital directly across the street, 333 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 2: Sirens racing to and from the er, it's all a 334 00:21:54,400 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: bit maddening. An app soundtrack to Cecilia's chaotic world. Cecilia 335 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 2: settles in for the interview. She centers herself on the couch, 336 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: a bit of a man spread. She looks quite at ease, 337 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: But the tell for us is that the whole time 338 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: she has a baseball cap pulled down low just over 339 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: her spectacled eyes. She is in the center of the frame. 340 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 2: The assessors sit directly across from Cecilia. The interviewer is 341 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: the one wearing the body cam, so his voice is 342 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 2: often louder than Cecilia's. His colleague is in the room 343 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 2: off camera. He does all the talking and cuts right 344 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 2: to the heart of the matter, Cecilia's relationship with Zach. 345 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 6: Okay, you know him quite well. Okay, obviously that's why 346 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 6: you us beneficiary was still married to his wife. 347 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: So in case you miss that, she says, quote, I 348 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: was his beneficiary when he was still married to his wife. 349 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: It sounds like she's boasting here, and the interviewer calls 350 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: her on it. 351 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 6: Any specific reason that just sounds odd. 352 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: Sorry, no, no, no, he had that before he got 353 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: married and. 354 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 6: I never changed it. 355 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 2: Okay, strange that she felt the need to even mention 356 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 2: that fact. Right, of course, they continue to inquire about 357 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: Mikayla and his wife. 358 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 6: WA's wife she died four years ago. Okay, and he 359 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 6: never got remarried. 360 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 4: No, okay, alright? 361 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 6: And did they have any children. 362 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: Cecilia mumbles something about Zach's diabetes and how he didn't 363 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: want kids because of his condition. The investigator presses on. 364 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 6: Did something bad happen to his wife or something? Yeah, 365 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 6: and they broke into the house and. 366 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 4: She got killed. 367 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 2: F It's hard to hear, but she explains that Zach's 368 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 2: wife died during a home invasion. She also tells him 369 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 2: Michaela wasn't supposed to be home that day, which is 370 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: creepy because, if you remember correctly, Mikayla died on a Thursday, 371 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: the day she typically missed work to care for Cecilia. 372 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: After this strange exchange, the insurance examiner refocuses his line 373 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 2: of questioning. 374 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 6: Mister Valent Andymnifad just referred toim as Zach post On 375 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 6: the sixteenth of December last year in pietr Stein, in 376 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 6: the freestyle from a car accident to Corburnt. 377 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 2: They go over what all happened on the day Zach died, 378 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 2: and ask about who Zach was in the eyes of 379 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 2: his apparent closest friend. The agent wonders about Zach's likes 380 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 2: and dislikes, his relationship to money, and even his mental 381 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 2: and physical health. At this point, LaRue had entered the room. 382 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: He sits perched on the arm of the couch almost 383 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 2: out a frame on the right side. The insurance examiner 384 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 2: asks if Zach ever had trouble with the law, any 385 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 2: conflict with the law. 386 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 6: I'm using the one that gets. 387 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 2: Stuff I shouldn't be doing anything, LaRue says, quote, No, 388 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: I'm usually the one that gets caught by the law 389 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: doing stuff I shouldn't be doing. Then he tells about 390 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: how he was shot when someone tried to rob him 391 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 2: at gunpoint. Cecilia backs him up, saying, yeah, they tried 392 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 2: to rob him. Laru doesn't want to say where he 393 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 2: was wounded, but Cecilia is a bully about it. She's 394 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: poking fun at him. They both know the truth. Laru 395 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: accidentally shot himself in the groin while preparing the guns 396 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: for the Meyer murders. He boasted the mail insurance investigator 397 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: about how he had defended himself, and how he thought 398 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: the gun the robbers had was a toy, because get this, 399 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: his father has tons of big guns. 400 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 6: I should die down to the floor. 401 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 4: And as you wund to walk away because he's dumb 402 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: and he pulled out a gun. 403 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 6: I'm used to my father having massive guns, wastefully full 404 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 6: of magnum. 405 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 8: I mean, that's a massive of all gun. 406 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 2: Laru's father is not in the picture, and he hasn't 407 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: been for years. It's like Laru is living inside a 408 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 2: figment of his own imagination. He goes on about this 409 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 2: for like a full minute or two. Cecilia continues to laugh, 410 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 2: and oddly enough, so does the insurance guy. I guess 411 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: he's trying to keep some levity in the room. 412 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, that was that was don't tell your no no. 413 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 2: I really just feel for LaRue in this moment when 414 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 2: he sheepishly says that was actually bad as his response 415 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: to Cecilia making light of a very serious situation. He's 416 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 2: legally an adult at this point, twenty years old, and 417 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 2: yet you can hear the child in him, the one 418 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 2: who is morally abandoned, and this tall tale of his 419 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: own bravery sounds to me like a desperate cry for 420 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 2: help or a way out. The subtext here is a 421 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: big SOS written in the sand, soon to be swept 422 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 2: away by the rolling tide. That tide would arrive a 423 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: bit later in the form of a man Detective Ben Boysen, 424 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 2: when he was assigned to the case two months after 425 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 2: this interview, he would immediately notice the changes made to 426 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 2: Zach's insurance policy just before his death. The life insurance 427 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 2: agent had questions about this too. 428 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 6: The reason why I'm asking about the finances is because 429 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 6: this policy was reasonably new at any started lock in November. 430 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: Zach's policy was purchased in November, just one month before 431 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: his death. But Cecilia had a defense in her pocket, 432 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 2: which was that when Zach left his job at Discovery 433 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: Life Insurance, he had to start all over purchasing a 434 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: new policy. A while. But it turns out that his 435 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: account had been delinquent for quite some time. 436 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 6: He actually did not by a single premium. 437 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: Coincidentally, Cecilia made a payment a few days before the 438 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: fatal accident to bring the account current. The insurance investigator 439 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 2: attempts to confirm this payment. 440 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 6: Then there was a deposit mad a kesh deposit made 441 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 6: to bring the policy in. 442 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: To Lafayat, she explains her way out of this. She 443 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 2: mumbles something vague about Zach's medical bills. His bank was closed, 444 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: she says, so she deposited the money for him. It 445 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: was like a bouquet of red flags. After some shuffling, 446 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: the interview changes direction again, moving on to the required paperwork. 447 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: Before a payout can be made, Discovery Life Insurance needs 448 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: an official police statement confirming that it is in fact 449 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: Zach beneath the charred remains. Now DRez enters the picture 450 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: literally in the video, he sits close to his wife 451 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: on the couch. He's practically on top of her. He's 452 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: a somewhat large man in a brown T shirt. The 453 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: couple explains that they are waiting on a second autopsy 454 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: and DNA results. They are apparently trying to match DNA 455 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 2: with Zach's parents. She says this is all far from 456 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: the truth. Then, just as the agent is getting up 457 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: to go, much like the TV detective Colombo, he says, 458 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 2: just one more thing. 459 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 6: Okay, there's something I'd like to ask you. This came 460 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 6: to my Deska BA two three weeks ago. One of 461 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 6: these clients locked the complaint against him. This client claims 462 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 6: that Zech was running Ponzi scheme pyramid scheme with his 463 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 6: clients that have complained that he took money from them. 464 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 6: If that thing wasn't. 465 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 8: Against Zach, it is from Rhino. 466 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: To clarify, she says, if that complaint was on Zach, 467 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 2: it's from Rena. Cecilia launches into a ran about someone 468 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: Zach worked with at Discovery of Life who had it 469 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 2: out for him. This person falsely accused him of cheating 470 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: his clients. All these details will come out in the 471 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 2: wash once detective Ben Boysen comes into the arena, so 472 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: we'll return to this in a bit. Keep in mind 473 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: this video was recorded in May of twenty sixteen, a 474 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: full six months after the car was found with Jared's 475 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: body inside. In the meantime, EPD resorted again to robbery 476 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: and murder. Cannis's reflection eight years after Jared's murder is 477 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: a reminder of just how cold and calculated Cecilia was. 478 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: I don't think she thought it all about Jared's life. 479 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: He was not a person. He was a means to 480 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: an end. I think that is the hottest part of 481 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: all of this, Even how it's been reported, there's been 482 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: a lack of his humanity. 483 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: Jared's humanity was lost on EPD, as was that of 484 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: all the victims, and the majority of the reporting that 485 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: was done very much focuses on the group and not 486 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: on who Jared was. By the time journalists started writing 487 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 2: about him, it was also being revealed that EPD had 488 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: murdered ten other people, so individual victims kind of got 489 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: lost in the mix. But Cannas's interview is a solid 490 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 2: example of how EPD was destroying lives. Cannas's baby was 491 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: born two months after her husband's disappearance. At this point, 492 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: if there was any humanity left, any hope for redemption 493 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: in the hearts of EPD, Cecilia made sure it was 494 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 2: obliterated by their belief in her. What was once a 495 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 2: Christian group bent on defeating Satan no longer needed a 496 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: good reason to kill the innocent. As long as it 497 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 2: pleased Cecilia, that was all that mattered. Now they were 498 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: living in the play, the one where Cecilia plays an invalid, 499 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 2: a bereaved friend, and a secret queen with loyal soldiers. 500 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: Her reality was now their identity. It's incredible the show 501 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: they put on. I mean, Cecilia's monologuing for Candace, forcing 502 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: tears in front of the woman whose life she just decimated, 503 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 2: Marenda's performance at the morgue and the funeral home, the 504 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: two of them in concert leading a search party was 505 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: Zac's parents. They even held a funeral for him that 506 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 2: his family and friends attended and pretended to weep. And 507 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 2: then there's this interview that happened while they were actively 508 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: planning to murder more innocent people. I mean, it's staggering 509 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: the lengths to which they would go to feel like 510 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 2: they belonged to something larger than themselves. While the inconsistencies 511 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 2: of this insurance fraud would be a sort of lynchpin 512 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 2: in breaking the case, there would unfortunately be a lot 513 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: more bloodshed before anyone would set foot in a courtroom, 514 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 2: and the citizens of Krugersdorp would continue to be terrorized. 515 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: It was kind of like an attack on my community, Like, 516 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: who the hell is out there killing my people. 517 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 2: On the next episode of Queen Havoc. 518 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: Queen Kevin was murdered. That was the turning point. 519 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 8: The first turning. 520 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 5: Point, people thinking there's a serial murderer on the loose, 521 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 5: marching to the police station and they were demanding actions. 522 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 2: And so forth. 523 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 9: Sometimes you need to watch what you wish for, because 524 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 9: it can come true. 525 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: This man comes, isn't tears, and he says to me, Marisco, 526 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: thank goodness you are here? 527 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 9: No right? 528 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: How does this man know my name? 529 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 5: That's why he was there when he was arrested. 530 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: Queen Havoc in Her Murder Cult is a production of 531 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 2: Schoolly Humans and iHeart Podcasts. Queen Havoc is hosted and 532 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 2: created by me Kurt Kupachick, produced and written by Jennifer Takeney, 533 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: Julia Chriscau, and Kirk Kupachick. Lead producer is Julia Chriskau. 534 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: Story editor is Saren Burnett. Senior producer is Amelia Brock. 535 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 2: Production manager is Daisy Church. Original music composed by Claire Campbell, Editing, 536 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 2: sound design and scoring by Jesse Niswanger, Additional editing by 537 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: Miranda Hawkins. Associated producers are DaShan Moodley and Jamaine Kriher. 538 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 2: Additional producing by Ben Melman, fact checking by Dennis Webster. 539 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 2: Recording engineers are Graham Gibson, Clay Hillenberg, and Josh Hook. 540 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 2: Executive producers are Virginia Prescott, L. C. Crowley, Brandon Barr 541 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 2: Jennifer to Kenney, and Kurt Kupachick. We want to thank 542 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,959 Speaker 2: all of those who so generously welcomed us in South 543 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 2: Africa and shared their stories. We're incredibly grateful to you all. 544 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 2: We also want to acknowledge how traumatic these events are 545 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 2: for the victims and their families. Please respect their privacy. 546 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 2: If you or someone you know has been affected by 547 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 2: cult behaviors, there are resources available, including Voices for Dignity 548 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,439 Speaker 2: at Christine Murray dot com