WEBVTT - Wrestlemania Weekend

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>you ready? Let's get it off. How's it going, everybody?

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Alvarez here on or Wrestling Observer Live. We are

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<v Speaker 1>here every day Monday through Friday, now Pacific three Eastern,

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday three Pacific, six eastern. Hello, everybody, that's sweet shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm celebrating WrestleMania Weekend with a floral pattern because it is,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact WrestleMania Weekend. And you know, I've given the

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<v Speaker 1>speech many times I ain't going down there and getting

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<v Speaker 1>that building twice this weekend. Too much work, too much hassle,

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<v Speaker 1>not doing it. However, boy, have I gotten all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of reports from everything else going on down there in Houston,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got FOMO big time. Holy smokes. I wish

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<v Speaker 1>I was there. So I am telling you here by

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<v Speaker 1>stating that next year I will go to WrestleMania Weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not sure if I'm gonna go to the

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<v Speaker 1>actual WrestleMania, but man, there have been so many great

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<v Speaker 1>matches and so much great craziness, matches you never expected

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<v Speaker 1>to see. And there's more coming up tonight, this this

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<v Speaker 1>Ring of Honors, Supercard of Honor, there's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of big surprises on the show, and pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>as I expected, a Ring of Honor, Tony Cown's Ring

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<v Speaker 1>of Honor is going to be utilizing a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people that aren't on TV right now for for a

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<v Speaker 1>w so it's actually believed another return of Chavo member.

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<v Speaker 1>When Chavo complained that he was he was released and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody bothered to tell him right am, I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>what it was. And then it turns out he was

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<v Speaker 1>on a pur show deal and and left, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I don't know what he was mad about.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, he's gonna be working for Supercard of Honor tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>He's uh, he's cornering Bandido and uh Toty Blanchard is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be working the Supercard of Honor show and

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<v Speaker 1>presumably he's going to be managing a team and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a big surprise plan for the end of the show. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a lot of people have been very uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know what the word is, uh

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<v Speaker 1>down on the idea of a Ring of Honor being

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<v Speaker 1>operated as a separate promotion, and quite frankly, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>all evidence points to this being an upward battle. Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>It hasn't even happened yet, so I think we should

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<v Speaker 1>give it some time, and if it's not working, we

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<v Speaker 1>can talk about how it's not working. But there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff coming up tonight on the show. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's gonna be fun, so we'll talk about that, WrestleMania,

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<v Speaker 1>n x T, everything else that's going on. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>a moment Observer Live. Back in the show, Bright albur

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<v Speaker 1>is here Wrestling Observer Alive except for Viv also Wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>Observer dot Com. And just when we started, look over

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<v Speaker 1>the chat and someone's talking about the old staying that

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<v Speaker 1>the apron is the hardest part of the ring, which

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<v Speaker 1>of course is is what they say. But I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about it, and actually the apron is not the

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<v Speaker 1>hardest part of the ring. First off, the hardest part

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<v Speaker 1>of the ring would be the ring post. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>much harder part of the ring A and number two. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of of hardness, the apron is exactly as

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<v Speaker 1>hard as the middle of the ring. The difference is

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<v Speaker 1>the aprons let's give. But I guess it's it's not

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<v Speaker 1>as impressive to say that the apron is the part

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<v Speaker 1>of the ring with the least amount of gives. Actually

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<v Speaker 1>also isn't true because that's also the post. Why don't

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<v Speaker 1>they just say it's the most dangerous part of the ring?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not. The post is no whit hold on time out.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't they just say that though? Because you don't

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<v Speaker 1>see move moves all the time getting moved, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>used off the post, but you do see them getting

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<v Speaker 1>done all the time off of the apron. And the

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<v Speaker 1>chance that somebody slips and falls through the floor, the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that you know there's an edge to the apron

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't have in the middle of the ring

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody in theory could fall against, hit their face against,

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<v Speaker 1>bust them wide open. You could make a case and

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<v Speaker 1>call it like the most dangerous part of the ring,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would make a lot more sense. But it

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<v Speaker 1>would be a bad case, Mike, because the the padded

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<v Speaker 1>part of the ring actually goes down so so that

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<v Speaker 1>edge that you're talking about, the edge is not exposed

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're in some real horrible ring. But people, what

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<v Speaker 1>if you are standing on the post? What if you

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<v Speaker 1>were standing on the post because you're gonna do a

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<v Speaker 1>dive from the post and I split your legs and

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<v Speaker 1>you crotch the top of that skinny ring post. That's

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<v Speaker 1>more dangerous than the apron. That's it's more more painful.

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<v Speaker 1>And sure, yeah, that's why I started the show with today. Everybody, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what what only Anderson here? Just stop doing everything? Bill Watts.

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<v Speaker 1>Put the move the pads off of the floors again.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody doesn't do anything off the top rope or anything

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<v Speaker 1>on the apron. Leave the wrestling inside the ring. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what the Blackpool Combat Club with mont al Right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's uh, here's the news, everybody. Um, here's some stuff

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<v Speaker 1>happening this weekend. Hello, It's WrestleMania weekend, everybody, And here's

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<v Speaker 1>here's what's going on. We got WrestleMania Night one, Becky Bianca,

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<v Speaker 1>Ray and Dominic versus MS and Logan, Paul Drew versus

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Corbin, Whosos versus Shinsk Nakamura, and Rick Bigs The

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<v Speaker 1>New Day versus Shamus and Ridge Holland with Butch seth

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<v Speaker 1>Rawlins versus Cody Rhodes, Charlotte Flair, Charlotte Flair versus ron

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<v Speaker 1>Da Rousey, and then of course for well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>keep in mind everybody, Yes, it's gonna be Cody Rhodes,

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<v Speaker 1>but this you know, you guys remember that that WrestleMania

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<v Speaker 1>where Randy Orton faced the Fiend and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the did all of these angles and storylines with Randy

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<v Speaker 1>Orton the Fiend, and you know, Randy Orton like burned

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<v Speaker 1>his house down or whatever. I can't remember who was

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<v Speaker 1>this story because Randy Orton's burned down like nine houses,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyway, it was totally set up for the Fiend

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<v Speaker 1>to beat Randy Orton in a WrestleMania and uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>day of the show comes and uh like right before

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<v Speaker 1>the show, ing up the year, Vinca decieted, Hey, Randy's

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<v Speaker 1>going over ur Ko even though they've done an angle

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<v Speaker 1>like a week earlier on TV. Or Randy Orton hits

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<v Speaker 1>him with an ARKO and the Fiend didn't sell it,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was part of the build. Randy Orton hit

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<v Speaker 1>the RKO and the Fiend didn't sell it, so then

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<v Speaker 1>they go to Wrestleman. He has one RKO and the

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<v Speaker 1>Fiends of dead Body and he pins him. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>he got hit in the face with a fireball and

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<v Speaker 1>was healed two weeks later. Okay, I mean, well, the

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<v Speaker 1>point is it's stupid to no sell it on Monday

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's a finishing move on Saturday or the

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<v Speaker 1>whole everything they did with that was stupid. But he

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that has not been stupid, although maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>has been stupid, but I found it to be entertaining

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<v Speaker 1>has been Seth Rollins going through different pictures on his

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter over who the opponent maybe right down to Marco

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<v Speaker 1>Stunt being one of those people. Well you know Marco

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<v Speaker 1>Stunt is you know he's out, so they could you

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<v Speaker 1>could see him flossen after Seth comes out. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna happen, is is uh? You know, Vince has

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<v Speaker 1>been building up this Mania card, building up this Mania card,

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<v Speaker 1>building up this Mania card. He's got this tunnel vision

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<v Speaker 1>and so Saturday is gonna come. He's gonna sit up,

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna go wait a second April end of this

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<v Speaker 1>month is WrestleMania Backlash m hm, we can't have. We

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<v Speaker 1>gotta save something for that show, and he'll go down

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<v Speaker 1>the card and change like nine finishes and nothing will

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<v Speaker 1>make any sense. But we'll have we'll have, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>lineups for the for the next show anyway, Night Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Night one Charlotte Ronda, and then Night Too is Lena

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<v Speaker 1>Carmelo versus Sasha, Naomi versus Rhein Live versus Natty and Shana,

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Knoxville, Sammy Zane, Pat mcafoss and Theory rk bro

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<v Speaker 1>versus The Street Profits and montez Ford or Angelo and

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<v Speaker 1>Monte and the Alpha Academy. Then we got Edge versus A. J.

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<v Speaker 1>Lashly versus Omas. Maybe Lashly can be managed by Holly.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we got brock Listener versus Roman Reigns to

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<v Speaker 1>unify the titles in the Morning, which I'm told is

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<v Speaker 1>actually ten am Pacific. Like that's gonna make a difference

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<v Speaker 1>to me. We got Toxic Attraction versus Raquel and Dakota

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<v Speaker 1>for the women's titles on the pre show, Carmelo versus

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<v Speaker 1>Santos versus Solo Skoa, Grayson Waller Cameron Grimes multiperson Ladder

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<v Speaker 1>match for the North American title, Tamasa Chompa, Tony D'Angelo

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<v Speaker 1>and Tamasa Chomps Last match. We got Mandy Rose, Cora,

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<v Speaker 1>jade EO Sharai and Kaylee Ray for the Women's title.

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<v Speaker 1>Imperium versus The Creeds and ms K for the tag titles.

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<v Speaker 1>L A Nights versus Gunter and Dolph Ziggler will be

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<v Speaker 1>facing on Breaker and don't forget tonight. We have got

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<v Speaker 1>to the Ring of Honor Supercard of Honor Show promoted

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<v Speaker 1>booked by Tony Khan, Jonathan Gresham versus Ben Dido with

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<v Speaker 1>Chavo Jr. That is going to be a winner takes

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<v Speaker 1>all champion versus Champion unification match. The man who never

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<v Speaker 1>lost a title to Covid versus Uh the current champion.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got the Briscos versus FTR for the tag titles,

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<v Speaker 1>Swerves Trickling versus Alex Zane, j Lethal versus Lee Moriarty,

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Woods versus Wheeler Utah for the pier title. Mercedes

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<v Speaker 1>Marte Tinez and Willow Nightingale for the interim Women's title.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninja Mack and Tolly Blanchard's Whoever It's gonna be, It's

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<v Speaker 1>a mystery, opponent for Ninja Mack Tolly's gonna manage this

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<v Speaker 1>person and Rhet Titus versus Minoru Suzuki for the television title.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh yeah, a lot of these champions are happy

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<v Speaker 1>because before Tony bought it, like pretty much all these

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<v Speaker 1>titles are just gonna be discontinued. They weren't gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>used anymore. But now Tony has taken over, so like

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<v Speaker 1>Red's got his belt back and Josh Woods is a

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<v Speaker 1>champion again, So I'm sure they're very happy about all that.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go. We'll see if they are after tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Wheel are uns He's still the im BTV champion.

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<v Speaker 1>I could see him defeating Josh Woods taking that pure

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<v Speaker 1>title now, Brian Maltz, you know, taking that title, bringing

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<v Speaker 1>that thing over to the Blackpool Combat Club or or

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to bring it over to them. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>would be a fantastic idea. And one thing is for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the last couple of years on indies, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of guys have had monster years and they

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<v Speaker 1>usually have great weekends WrestleMania Weekend and Utah and Lee

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<v Speaker 1>Moriarty and Daniel Garcia. Over the last couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>have been guys who have really broken out and they've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten their flowers and they're just desserts at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>As all three of those guys are on a w

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<v Speaker 1>t v UM speedball. Mike Bailey, as soon as he

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<v Speaker 1>was clear to come back to the United States, people

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<v Speaker 1>were really looking forward to what his schedule could be like.

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<v Speaker 1>And he has already had a monster here this year

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<v Speaker 1>in the first quarter, and he had a match yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>against Bandido that looks like it's the front rudner for

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<v Speaker 1>depending on what you thought of some of the blood

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<v Speaker 1>sports stuff. It's the front runner for a match of

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend so far, and they want the five thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollar bonus that they had at the Mark Hitchcock Show

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<v Speaker 1>last night. So he's probably going to continue to go

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<v Speaker 1>on and have one hell of a weekend. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>probably somebody that may not be a big name to

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<v Speaker 1>some of the people listening, but he's somebody you want

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<v Speaker 1>you might want to keep your eye on. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want Texas here today zero seven five six six,

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<v Speaker 1>that is seven eight zero seven five six six days

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<v Speaker 1>gonna join us after the break, Big ab Meltzer will

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the new Observer and WrestleMania Weekend and all

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of good stuff. And then, uh I got

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<v Speaker 1>more news when we come back later, including an interview

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<v Speaker 1>with with Randyworton, and I want to talk about back

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<v Speaker 1>in the moments, over life, back in the show. Bran

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<v Speaker 1>Elber is here Wrestling Observer Live. Mikeber Viv also Wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>Observer dot com. Dame Melts are joining us, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get into a new edition of the

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<v Speaker 1>Observer newsletter. And obviously it's WrestleMania Weekend, and the top

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<v Speaker 1>story here is Triple H and his heart issue, which

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<v Speaker 1>is noted here in the new Observer. Now that he's

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<v Speaker 1>got the the defibrillator inside him, I mean, all goes well,

0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.640
<v Speaker 1>fingers crossed. He should be able to live a normal

0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.280
<v Speaker 1>life for quite a while decades. It says here in

0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.800
<v Speaker 1>the Observers that right, yeah, ball goes well, Yeah, yeah,

0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.640
<v Speaker 1>he's the problem was his heart. It will stop his

0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:08.439
<v Speaker 1>heart from beating irregular um. But he does have a

0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.640
<v Speaker 1>heart condition, so it's not like he's out of the

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<v Speaker 1>water completely. But yeah, if he avoids uh you know,

0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.400
<v Speaker 1>avoids stress and eats, right, which I'm sure he will do,

0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:22.079
<v Speaker 1>he should do well. Um, you know, but the idea

0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.360
<v Speaker 1>of wrestling again is out of the question though, as

0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:29.080
<v Speaker 1>as he said, so, there have been rumors that he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be around this weekend, that we may see

0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:39.400
<v Speaker 1>he's around, he's there, but a public appearance. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised to see him

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<v Speaker 1>show up at at you know, be introduced at Mania,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean he was running the he's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the people running the tryouts this week, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going on. And so he's around, Yeah, he was.

0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.079
<v Speaker 1>He that a lot of the talents on for the

0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.800
<v Speaker 1>first time yesterday. So yeah, so is he is he?

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<v Speaker 1>I know they've used the term he's back. Obviously he's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be wrestling, but even I would think

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<v Speaker 1>that even the former triple aged schedule is not a

0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.719
<v Speaker 1>schedule that would behove you know, his health. So so

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<v Speaker 1>he's back, presumably in like a a a limited capacity. Um,

0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to I don't really have to know

0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.640
<v Speaker 1>the answer to that. I mean, he's been back. His

0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.400
<v Speaker 1>his job is now involved more in the scouting side

0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.760
<v Speaker 1>of things, you know, tryouts, things like that, as far

0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.960
<v Speaker 1>as like running an xtigue in Um, you know, I

0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.960
<v Speaker 1>would doubt it, but I can't say that percent. I

0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.680
<v Speaker 1>mean as far as running you know this this secession

0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.280
<v Speaker 1>plan in w W, as far as the wrestling side,

0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.360
<v Speaker 1>if if something happens to Vince, you know, and he

0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.359
<v Speaker 1>was going to be the guy, um, I can't imagine.

0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:44.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he may try it, but it probably wouldn't

0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.720
<v Speaker 1>be the best for him to do that. Uh, And

0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.040
<v Speaker 1>he may not, you know, I don't say it wouldn't

0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:51.440
<v Speaker 1>be interested in doing. And I'm sure he'd be interested

0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.040
<v Speaker 1>in doing it, but I don't know if it would

0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.440
<v Speaker 1>be smart for him to be doing something like that. So,

0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, his stamina is lower, which is what he said,

0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and other people who have had the same condition, I've

0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.120
<v Speaker 1>told me, you know the same thing, that your stammin

0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.680
<v Speaker 1>is lower, But you can live a normal life and

0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.760
<v Speaker 1>you can work an eight to five job, and and

0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.000
<v Speaker 1>you know he'll do He's working a job there already,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, I'm sure that that. I'm sure he'll keep

0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:15.680
<v Speaker 1>a job there for as long as he wants to.

0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.680
<v Speaker 1>I Mean the thing with him is is you know,

0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.920
<v Speaker 1>he's got no economic issues. He can quit tomorrow. He's

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<v Speaker 1>set um, but he does you know he loves wrestling

0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.000
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think he wants walk away from it either. Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>how does this change if at all the plan post events? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, could he serve more as a liaison while

0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, Stephanie may back off of some of her

0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.440
<v Speaker 1>duties that she does in the business realm and and

0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.000
<v Speaker 1>be more of the day to day or is it

0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.880
<v Speaker 1>just really going to be Stephanie is not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the person you know, running Creative or anything like that.

0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Stephanie's role is going to be a chief end officer.

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<v Speaker 1>If it wasn't, then triple ah too. I guess all

0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.720
<v Speaker 1>of us kind of assuming, right, Yeah, honestly, like who,

0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:03.760
<v Speaker 1>who in the world really is it? Nick con Well, stop,

0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:09.680
<v Speaker 1>it definitely won't be Ni con Um, Shawn Michaels, Adam Pierce.

0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we start asking questions like that on who

0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:17.200
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's it's a tough one. Um, you know,

0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:20.400
<v Speaker 1>right now, right now Paul Hayman, which would be bizarre

0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.680
<v Speaker 1>right now, right now would be Prichard. Paul Hayman would

0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:28.400
<v Speaker 1>be difficult, but not impossible. But yeah, as far as

0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.320
<v Speaker 1>grooming people, you know, the whole thing is they groomed

0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:34.560
<v Speaker 1>paul Vec and you know that wouldn't be a good

0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.600
<v Speaker 1>fit right now. And Paula lost a lot of points

0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:38.880
<v Speaker 1>with the n X with the n X c a

0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:43.480
<v Speaker 1>w fight anyway. Um so um, but they it's not

0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.600
<v Speaker 1>like that there's this replacement right there waiting. Um. I

0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:50.560
<v Speaker 1>can't see Bruce Pritchard. I mean, this guy's in the sixties, Bruce,

0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and and he said and Bruces had multiple heart attacks.

0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Um and UM, I don't see Sean as being the

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<v Speaker 1>person for that role. Uh you know, plus the plus

0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know that Sean wants to to

0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:07.280
<v Speaker 1>vote because that is there right now inside the company?

0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.959
<v Speaker 1>Is there a person there? Would they dare look outside

0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.840
<v Speaker 1>a company that's always been so closed like that? Would

0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:17.760
<v Speaker 1>they dare look outside? Um? You know then the problem

0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:21.000
<v Speaker 1>is is that wrestling hasn't created guys like that that

0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:26.960
<v Speaker 1>have that and um, they haven't trained guys like that.

0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.359
<v Speaker 1>But I would think that it would be someone. Um,

0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, we could look at the agent staff or whatever,

0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:32.760
<v Speaker 1>but I think would be someone. I don't think they

0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.840
<v Speaker 1>would look outside because because you know, as you know,

0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:41.399
<v Speaker 1>they don't consider experience outside to be meaningful. Because if

0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.399
<v Speaker 1>it's not in w W, it doesn't count. So I

0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.560
<v Speaker 1>don't think that they would. I mean, you know, would

0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, like if Eric Bischof hadn't so spectacularly flopped

0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the last time, it could have been him easily, because

0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.680
<v Speaker 1>that's what they would look for, someone who has experience

0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.000
<v Speaker 1>in that. And you've got Eric Bischoff or Jerry Jarrett

0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.240
<v Speaker 1>and Jerry will be you know, Jerry's older than Vince,

0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.720
<v Speaker 1>so um, you know, and and I can't see in

0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.000
<v Speaker 1>a second him taken on a twenty hour day job. Um, Bruce,

0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.359
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't be good for but it could be. It

0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.080
<v Speaker 1>could end up with him. I mean, there's not a

0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:15.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of guys, there's not a long list of guys,

0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.720
<v Speaker 1>but that way I was, you know, I was wondering

0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.000
<v Speaker 1>to myself. You know, Hunter was such a avid bodybuilder.

0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, this whole change obviously, you know, you have

0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.280
<v Speaker 1>your life threatened, you know, you're gonna probably think differently.

0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.320
<v Speaker 1>But he's such a competitive guy. The thought of him

0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.320
<v Speaker 1>working an eight to five job is just something that

0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.200
<v Speaker 1>always it's tough for me to actually believe, like hidden

0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.720
<v Speaker 1>sitting at a desk and doing that. Is there a way?

0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.720
<v Speaker 1>I guess always depending on where he's at physically, that

0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.560
<v Speaker 1>you could have And I know this is gonna harken

0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.360
<v Speaker 1>back to a dreaded time with booking committees, which could

0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:48.320
<v Speaker 1>you have the writers and have Bruce and bring back

0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.639
<v Speaker 1>a Gabe and have people where he could be at

0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the end of the person to either rubber stamp something

0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.520
<v Speaker 1>or make tweaks and changes. Or is he too competitive

0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.080
<v Speaker 1>to be able to sit by and let them do

0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.960
<v Speaker 1>something and then him not give it his all Vince

0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.480
<v Speaker 1>like to say no, this is what I would do

0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:07.720
<v Speaker 1>and to change things, you know what I mean? Could

0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:10.919
<v Speaker 1>he actually back off and be that person just to go, okay,

0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.560
<v Speaker 1>let's do a check mark on what what the booker

0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.760
<v Speaker 1>is doing. That's a really good question and I don't

0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:18.960
<v Speaker 1>have a good answer to it, because the one thing

0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:23.080
<v Speaker 1>is is as he gets more and more comfortable and

0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:27.280
<v Speaker 1>further away, he is going to slowly revert back to

0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.679
<v Speaker 1>being the person he was before unless he catches himself

0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.560
<v Speaker 1>and goes, no, I will not do this. So I

0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:36.479
<v Speaker 1>could see if he has no let's say he has

0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:40.040
<v Speaker 1>no um, you know, bad escapades in the next year,

0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.520
<v Speaker 1>slowly would he revert back to that, especially if something

0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:48.600
<v Speaker 1>happens to vince. Um, but it would it's probably not advisable.

0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's the best way to put it, um.

0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:53.480
<v Speaker 1>But you know, it depends on you know, a couple

0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.920
<v Speaker 1>of things. Number one, you know, um, I think the

0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.240
<v Speaker 1>ages of his kids, Like if it's in ten years,

0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.640
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot different and if it was now, um,

0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.399
<v Speaker 1>And I think, Uh. The other thing is is what

0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:09.720
<v Speaker 1>what his outlook on life itself is. As you get older,

0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.760
<v Speaker 1>you get very very very different outlooks on life and

0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:16.960
<v Speaker 1>and um, you know, some people, as they get older,

0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the wrestling becomes less important, even for the ones who

0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.520
<v Speaker 1>were immersed in it. I mean, I know people who

0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:25.080
<v Speaker 1>were immersed immersed immersing and wrestling and now when they're

0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, in their sixties. Put it this way, they

0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.520
<v Speaker 1>don't even care about it. So you know, in ten years,

0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:33.879
<v Speaker 1>will he be that person or will he be or

0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.960
<v Speaker 1>do does wrestling completely define him as a person? And

0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:38.800
<v Speaker 1>if it does, you know, which is like let's say

0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:40.879
<v Speaker 1>Rick Flair, which is a bad example, but a good

0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.080
<v Speaker 1>example in what I'm saying, in the sense that there's

0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.520
<v Speaker 1>no other way and he's gonna want to keep doing

0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.000
<v Speaker 1>it no matter what, even at the expense of risking

0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.720
<v Speaker 1>his health. And I don't, I don't know, I don't.

0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.159
<v Speaker 1>I think I know he's a smart guy. I know

0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:57.560
<v Speaker 1>that personally he's a smart guy. But where his mind

0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.399
<v Speaker 1>will be in in and and body will be in

0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:05.880
<v Speaker 1>ten years, it's it's we don't have those answers. Anything

0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:10.399
<v Speaker 1>new with the WrestleMania coming up tomorrow, I mean nothing, really,

0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:15.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's here, and uh, I'm really intrigued

0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.520
<v Speaker 1>on how they're gonna. You know what I'm intrigued by

0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:19.880
<v Speaker 1>this year, more than more than almost any other year,

0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:25.240
<v Speaker 1>is news out Let's afterwards like acting like that there's

0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:27.520
<v Speaker 1>an eighty thousand people at the two shows, you know

0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.600
<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Because it's like I I presume that

0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.040
<v Speaker 1>they're going to exaggerate the number of the most in history,

0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:36.560
<v Speaker 1>and and it will be an obvious exaggeration. But I

0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.840
<v Speaker 1>think that, you know, I've I've already seen like, you know,

0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.760
<v Speaker 1>people talking about a hundred thousand people at both nights,

0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's just like, dude, they're they're barely at half

0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:50.720
<v Speaker 1>that sold. Right now, you're telling me that they're below sold,

0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:56.040
<v Speaker 1>they are below fifty sold. They probably they will probably,

0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.159
<v Speaker 1>they will probably end up a little bit above that,

0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.200
<v Speaker 1>but that's that's that's gonna be where they're gonna end up. Yeah,

0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.040
<v Speaker 1>you know this for them, this though, is going to

0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.680
<v Speaker 1>end up trying to come across in the mainstream. This

0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 1>is probably gonna be their most successful WrestleMania of all

0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.399
<v Speaker 1>time because of all these celebrities in the way that

0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.240
<v Speaker 1>they are going to pitch this. All of us wrestling

0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.000
<v Speaker 1>fans are looking at this going this is the worst

0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:18.720
<v Speaker 1>built WrestleMania of all time. I don't think that. I

0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:20.639
<v Speaker 1>think I think that they've done a great job with

0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.480
<v Speaker 1>built WrestleMania. I think it's been one of the softest.

0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, for sure, I think it's been one of

0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:29.000
<v Speaker 1>the more lacklustree, even though we've had some really cool things.

0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think it's potentially strong. I actually think

0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:33.919
<v Speaker 1>it's been stronger than the last couple of years. Um,

0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.080
<v Speaker 1>certainly the last two or three. I think the last

0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.000
<v Speaker 1>two or three weren't good at didn't have good builds

0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:40.520
<v Speaker 1>at all. Going back six seven years, yeah, there's they've

0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:42.879
<v Speaker 1>been stronger ones then, But I mean, this is one

0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:44.879
<v Speaker 1>of the strongest built main events they've had. But as

0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:49.120
<v Speaker 1>far as the rest of the show. It feels Um yeah,

0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I I don't made for the main street, It's made

0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.479
<v Speaker 1>for Sports Center. That's what it feels like. Um, well

0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:56.480
<v Speaker 1>that's there. That's what there, that's nikon. That's what their

0:22:56.480 --> 0:23:00.320
<v Speaker 1>businesses is now. Their business is made for the aura

0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.399
<v Speaker 1>of w W E and selling that to people. Just

0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:06.159
<v Speaker 1>like the freaking peacock deal. It's not about what numbers

0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 1>you're doing. It's about the the idea of you have

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.400
<v Speaker 1>w W and where a major brand like NASCAR and uh,

0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:16.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, we can make deals. And that's what w

0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:19.400
<v Speaker 1>W is about, is keeping that name and that keeping

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:22.360
<v Speaker 1>that name in the forefront and in that sense. Um,

0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna get a lot of publicity coming out of this,

0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:28.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, um uh and some of its celebrities. Um,

0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:32.000
<v Speaker 1>but you know yeah, I mean that's that's what they're

0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:34.560
<v Speaker 1>there for. So I think last year or when when

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:37.399
<v Speaker 1>did they do uh an extra twenty thousand above the

0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:41.720
<v Speaker 1>actual number? Are they above the actual number in the

0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:44.119
<v Speaker 1>last time they were in Dallas? And I've presumed that

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.320
<v Speaker 1>this year they will exaggerate that number of far more

0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:49.399
<v Speaker 1>than twenty. When you have one night, you exaggerate twenty

0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:52.359
<v Speaker 1>so you don't add the two nights together and add twenty.

0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:54.760
<v Speaker 1>You had twenty the first night and twenty the second night,

0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 1>so you're gonna add forty. They're gonna say that there's

0:23:57.400 --> 0:24:00.920
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and sixty thousand people both nights. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna say. It'll be interesting. Yeah about that? Well, Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank you too much for doing the

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<v Speaker 1>Elber is here Wrestling Observer Alive. Mike SIMPERBB also Wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>Observer dot com. What's something, Mike? What? Well? Should I

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 1>read these exact tenants numbers here? Because now now you

0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:54.920
<v Speaker 1>can no longer even play the semantic game? Oh yeah,

0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:59.400
<v Speaker 1>what is that? Because why? Because Dave Meltzer is reporting something?

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh now, Dave was unreliable source because he's paid by

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.199
<v Speaker 1>Tony Cohn. And let me guess when these numbers aren't right?

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Let me guess plans change? Is that what's gonna happen

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 1>at press time? The first the first night of WrestleMania,

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 1>just under fifty three thousand paid, it says here. And

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:26.399
<v Speaker 1>the second night the number just under fifty two. So

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:31.200
<v Speaker 1>they've done fifty three and fifty two for the two

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.680
<v Speaker 1>nights after I said they were gonna do fifty five,

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:39.440
<v Speaker 1>and I was ridiculed and mocked, chastised month after month,

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:43.360
<v Speaker 1>and now here we are. These the final numbers were well,

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they'll sell some tickets in the next couple

0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 1>of days, but you think, up, what do you think?

0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 1>This is a Santo match? Hey, once again they run

0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:59.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, Houston or Dallas or San Antonio, and they

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:02.040
<v Speaker 1>have to a on Ramo Stereo Jr. And they don't

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.560
<v Speaker 1>have any ideas for a mask match, and they have

0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 1>no ideas for a Latin American superstar. And just once again,

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:12.480
<v Speaker 1>here we go with that one next year in l

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:16.399
<v Speaker 1>A probably will be the same way. Humberto I guess

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>remember him, you know him, and you remember that huh

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 1>that should have been in That should have been prediction.

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:29.399
<v Speaker 1>I could have got two rings. I'm still going to

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:31.400
<v Speaker 1>reward myself for this one. I don't need to wait.

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:35.239
<v Speaker 1>I like I hate by the way, I like how

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 1>the worm has turned. You're dealing with a bunch of

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 1>sick kids and now all of a sudden, boy, you know,

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.400
<v Speaker 1>that trip out to a sunny, warm place to enjoy

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:45.119
<v Speaker 1>the weekend with a bunch of people that will idolize

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:47.679
<v Speaker 1>me and throw money at me doesn't sound too bad, now,

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:52.679
<v Speaker 1>does it all? And throw money at me? By the way,

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.520
<v Speaker 1>that reminds me. I'm doing wrestle Mania weekend cameos. I know.

0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of you listening right now. We're

0:26:57.320 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna get together with all your buddies to watch WrestleMania.

0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 1>It would be better than during one of the video

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:06.640
<v Speaker 1>packages that go an insufferable amount of time. I will

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 1>do a cameo for you guys, and you can you know,

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 1>you can actually do multiple cameos, Like every time there's

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 1>a video package, I could do a cameo talking about

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 1>some match or whatever. But yes, F four w online

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:21.880
<v Speaker 1>on cameo. Get your WrestleMania weekend cameo requests in now

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:23.639
<v Speaker 1>so I can make sure to get him done in

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 1>time for the big show. Yeah, I would not suggest

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.160
<v Speaker 1>ordering a cameo every time they have one of those,

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, insufferably long segments, because you'll be broke. It's

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:38.479
<v Speaker 1>like a drinking game, you know. Every time Brian brags

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 1>about himself during one of those cameos, you take a

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 1>shot and you'll be drunk, Like second break about myself

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.960
<v Speaker 1>unless I need to bury somebody else. Really, Hey, what

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:51.919
<v Speaker 1>are you hosting regularly? Do you write any books? Actually?

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:56.119
<v Speaker 1>I think those people know what titles? Do you think

0:27:56.160 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 1>there's anybody out there who got a Brian Alvarez uh

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 1>call for somebody that didn't know what they were getting,

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:05.920
<v Speaker 1>like somebody's mother is now getting and you have to

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>run down your list of accolades, all the books you've written,

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 1>all the shows that you host, that's needed well. To

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>be honest, my presumption with many of these cameos is

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 1>that the recipient has no idea who I am, So

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I make sure that I explain it. Now. Listen, I

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 1>gotta read this because this ties into yesterday and Randy

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Orton was a guest on Thursday's Pat McAfee show and

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 1>talked about difficulties working with wrestlers from n x T

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>his program with Bray White and Edges return Or noted

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 1>that edges return has been refreshing for him because many

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>of today's performers are not as focused on protecting their opponent.

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:52.719
<v Speaker 1>There's an art to what we do, and a lot

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 1>of guys have lost that art. Randy Orton's said when

0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Vince wzz On, he talked about your number one prior

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 1>above all being protecting your opponent. That's not taught necessarily

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 1>in an x T. I know that because I've been

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 1>in the ring with guys that came from n x

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 1>T and they don't know what the f they are doing.

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:16.400
<v Speaker 1>It's unfortunate, but that is just how things are changing.

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>He spoke about working with Edge allowing him to tell

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 1>a story in the ring. I can trust this guy.

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>I can give this guy my body in this ring

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and tell this story, and I don't have to in

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>the back of my head worry about him only being

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>concerned with looking cool in that ring and hitting the

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>f out of me and taking my head off. Edge

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 1>made me realize that I can go forty five minutes

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 1>with a guy who knows what the f they're doing.

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>What are these other guys? Where are these other guys

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 1>that know what the f they're doing? He spoke about

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>his program with Bray White member. We talked about that earlier.

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 1>He described it, quote as a little odd. There were

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 1>some issues where he was able to do a lot

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 1>of stuff in the ring for a while, so he

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:57.720
<v Speaker 1>he there were some sort of health issues. I don't

0:29:57.760 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>know what the details, but that that was one of

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 1>things here. So that got weird. But Bray is a

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 1>hell of an effing talent. A lot of f words

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 1>in this. Granny better not listening to this interview. For

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the last year I've been out there with Riddle. He's

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>only been wrestling for six years, but he just gets it.

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 1>He knows how to sell. He captivates these people, He

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 1>captivates me. Randy Jordan's said, you know, I don't want

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>to be that old guy yelling at at the clouds

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 1>and everything like that. But Bro, it's funny, is that

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 1>is Randy word is absolutely percent correct. That is what

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 1>this used to be. It used to be that this

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:42.479
<v Speaker 1>was a show and you pretended to hurt each other,

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>and there was an art to pretending that you hurt

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 1>each other but not actually hurting each other. And Bro,

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know when that changed, but I have heard

0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure that many other people listening to this

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 1>who might be in the business have heard of the

0:30:56.440 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 1>same thing that uh in in developmental these these wrestlers

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:05.880
<v Speaker 1>are encouraged to lay it in. They are encouraged to

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>lay it And I remember the first time I heard that,

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and I just thought, Man, I'm too old for this.

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm out. And luckily, you know, I came back for

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 1>matches with like the Rock and Roll Express, who don't

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 1>lay it in. But holy smokes, even you know who

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>actually was light as a feather hate to kill his gimmick,

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Nick Gauge like I was awesome, and obviously the Rock

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:34.480
<v Speaker 1>and Roll Express rawsom and and uh, you know, luckily

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Marco was small. Can't hear me that hard? But I

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>boind of this is That's what these used to be about.

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 1>It was an art to pretend that you were hurting

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>the other guy, but actually you didn't hurt the other guy.

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 1>How many times do you think you hear that phrase

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:52.480
<v Speaker 1>from w W E guys today? Oh, so and so

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 1>is a night off. Probably most of them don't even

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 1>know what that phrase is. A night off. It used

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 1>to be you would work all the time. Him and

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 1>certain guys were a night off. They never touched you.

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 1>You never knew they were there. You guys worked together.

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 1>What I think it's called working because you're in there

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>hammering stuff, hammering nails. No, you were working together. That

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 1>was the point. He didn't touch each other on a

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 1>lock up. He didn't touch each other on a headlock.

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 1>I know. Back in the old days they grinded the

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 1>ears like that's you have cauliflower ears. But that's because

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to convince you that it was real. When

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>you actually worked, you didn't touch the guy. So anyway,

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I feel for poor Randy Jorgon because he's in there,

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 1>he's out there, and he's a great worker, and he

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 1>would just love to do it the old way. He

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>can't do it the old way anymore. Now you gotta

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 1>do it the new way. And that sucks for a

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>guy that liked it the old way. Whatever. And I

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 1>don't want, I don't want anyone to tell me that, oh,

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 1>it looks better when you lay it in. It looks

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:47.720
<v Speaker 1>better when you lay it in. If the guys suck.

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 1>If they suck and they don't lay it in, and

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 1>it looks horrible, so they have to lay it in

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 1>to make it look good. That's because they suck. If

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 1>they're good, they don't have to lay it in and

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 1>it looks good. It should be like a badge of

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 1>honor to be light. That's why they had the light

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>handshakememberen Kevin Nash is like, no more light handshakes. We

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>shake hands like a man. Remember that. Well, there was

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>a reason that you did the light handshake. That was

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 1>part of the badge of honor. You were light workers.

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Then all of a sudden, it's grabbed his hand as

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 1>hard as we can. I remember, I'd work with Buddy.

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>We do tag matches. Bro never tag him too hard.

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 1>He'd just leave. He would jump off the apron and

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 1>leap if you just tagged him too hard, because even

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>the tag is supposed to be at work. Whatever, Who cares,

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm out, I'm not kidding. I used to have long hair,

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 1>so we do the spot where like he pulled me

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 1>down by the hair. This brother wouldn't even touch your hair.

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 1>He'd make a fist and he put his hand on

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the back of your head, pretending he was pulling hair,

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>but he wasn't actually even touching your hair. And he

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 1>put his hand there and you'd bump and never and

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 1>go oh, what a horrible man. He pulled the hair.

0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 1>He never even touched my hair the way he used

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 1>to be done. Going to the turn buckle. Why does

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 1>somebody have to grab the back of your head by

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>your scalp and bang your head into the turn buckle.

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Supposed to just put your hand there. And no, I

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know, star like kidding, apology, that's the exact opposite

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 1>of what I've been talking about. What are you talking about?

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:19.799
<v Speaker 1>You think some of these kids only come up though,

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 1>get so many mixed messages from so many people, because

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>there's so many people just talk and talk and talking

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and think about it. Brian, you came up in the

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:30.879
<v Speaker 1>old school. But the thing is your old school. There's

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 1>old school guys who were there teaching you were old

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 1>and crusty, who are bitching about you and your generation.

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Nobody ever complained about me. Well there's other one time.

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't look. We may be having two different conversations here,

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.799
<v Speaker 1>But I think that there may also be a lot

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 1>of people get mixed messages because kids they're coming up

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 1>to peu double dollar sign. Why you know what I mean?

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:00.400
<v Speaker 1>And you get people they gotta lay it and you

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 1>need to learn and pay their dues. You need to

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>do this, you need to do that. Then you get

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 1>other people screen them and at him, and it's like,

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:08.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, a lot of it is probably where you

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 1>come up, the area you come up, the first couple

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.799
<v Speaker 1>of training schools you go to, you know, and how

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 1>people do things. Some people get Hindu squatted to death.

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>They look back and go with the hell, I didn't

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>need that, and then other people go, no, I absolutely

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:23.320
<v Speaker 1>needed that. Every kid needs to go through that, and

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 1>every kid needs to get stretched and all this other stuff.

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 1>It's like a lot of people just get a lot

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>of mixed messages and then they just talk goes the

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:33.879
<v Speaker 1>night and my kid used to lay it in. Yeah,

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 1>people hated him. Yeah it's fun when you watch him

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.880
<v Speaker 1>on a videotape, but when you were in the ring

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 1>with him, it wasn't fun. That's mcfoley's front teeth, he smokes.

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.240
<v Speaker 1>I remember I went up to train with Lance before

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I had a match with a long long time ago,

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 1>this is probably a decade ago, and we got his

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 1>ring and everything like that, and uh, I did the

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 1>arm drag and then I put him in the armbar

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.320
<v Speaker 1>on the mat and there's an actual armbar on the

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<v Speaker 1>mat where you like hyper extend the guy's arm that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And I put him in this thing and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>touch him, okay, but he still yelled at me. He goes,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do it the shoot way, and he showed me

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<v Speaker 1>the worked way. And his point was, yeah, you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>put it on tight, but if something went wrong, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>hurt my arm if you do the fake if you

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<v Speaker 1>if you do uh, the real version, even if you're light.

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<v Speaker 1>So he showed me the fake version, or even if

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<v Speaker 1>you mess it up, you can't hurt his arm. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, wow, my mind was blown on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you know, it takes a lot from my

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<v Speaker 1>mind to be blown. How many times to rip rogers

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<v Speaker 1>blow your mind? He just swore a lot. Pat McAfee

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<v Speaker 1>on display there. Do you think he's gonna win that

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<v Speaker 1>Pat McAfee and Austin theory, Yeah, I would think you'd

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<v Speaker 1>be Austin theory with Vince making an appearance, but you

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<v Speaker 1>never know when this company, I don't know. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I would presume listen elements. One thing that's abundantly clear, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you all see it or not, And I would

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<v Speaker 1>bet most of you don't Vince sees this guy is

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<v Speaker 1>like a John Cena, this Austin theory, and there's reason

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 1>he's grooming him and he's always there in his segments

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:18.000
<v Speaker 1>and like that's that's when he sees in this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know, maybe he wants to teach this

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<v Speaker 1>guy that you also have to be able to lose.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, Pat mcafeel get the win and it's

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<v Speaker 1>wrestle made you make people happy or whatever. But I

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<v Speaker 1>I would presume Ustin theory as witty. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think Alpha Academy wins. You stick Gable Stevenson Willam, and

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 1>on Monday night you have Ready Willing and Gable and

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<v Speaker 1>then they can argue over who's Gable and who's ready

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<v Speaker 1>and willing back in a moment. Observer Live like the show.

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