WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Galloping Cadavers 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:06.040 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:16.239 Hey you, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind Listener Mail. 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:17.880 My name is Robert Lamb. 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.959 And I am Joe McCormick, and it's that old Halloween 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.279 hangover edition of listener Mail. Today we're going to be 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.440 featuring messages from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind a 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:29.760 mail bag. We almost always end up doing one of 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:32.080 these in the first week of November. I guess it's 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.880 kind of a sprint through Halloween season, and then we've 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.600 got to catch up on the mail bag responding to 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.600 everything that came in over the previous month. 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I'm just going to say I 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.200 have no idea how much longer that store will be available. 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.000 So some of those designs in there that are not 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:57.240 just the standard logo design, they may or may not 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.320 be around for too much longer. So if you happen 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:00.600 to want one of those, I'm just going to go 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.920 and give you fair warning go pick one of those up, 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.320 because I'm not sure what the long term future of 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:07.680 those designs would happen to be. 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:09.160 Ultra rare. 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.919 Yeah, I'm not trying to be cryptic, I am just uncertain. Yeah, 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.560 but let's get cryptic. What do we have in the 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:18.040 mail bag here to read. 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.440 Okay, Rob, do you mind if I start off with 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.639 this message from Garrett about Egyptian curses? Oh? 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:25.400 By all needs. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:34.440 Following some stage directions here this message. This message begins gentlemen, 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.600 I've been a listener for quite a while. I have 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.880 always enjoyed and now look forward to spooky Halloween content 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:46.280 each October. Your recent episodes on Egyptian curses were quite interesting. 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.120 Since I was young, I've heard my dad claim that 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.960 a distant relative died after being at the opening of 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.799 King Tut's tomb. Unfortunately, I later found he has no 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:59.919 evidence except a shared last name. But that pseudo fact 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.960 piqued my interest in Egypt from a young age, and 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.760 it lasts even to this day. Your discussion about modern 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.920 hazards to the reader or information threats contained within certain 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.920 emails was fun. Yeah, so a brief refresher for context. 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.639 This came up when we were talking about ancient Egyptian 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:23.000 texts that threatened the reader with curses. This, of course, 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.880 was not the majority of ancient Egyptian curses. This was 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:29.520 not the norm. Most curses would be targeted at named 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.000 enemies or at people who might come into crime, like 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.520 stealing from a tomb, or disturbing a tomb or sacred space. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.040 But we talked about a couple of examples of texts 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.920 that were like so and so who wronged me will 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.760 face the vengeance of the God. They will be struck 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:50.120 down and destroyed by holy wrath. Also, anybody reading this papyrus, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.160 you're going to get it too, which seems extreme. But 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.200 we talked about some reasons people might have put curses 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.400 like that in there. One possibility was as a kind 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.880 of security measure against tampering with what was believed to 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.560 be a deadly weapon, because the words of a magic 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:10.760 spell in ancient Egypt were thought to have power in themselves, 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.480 and in some sense, reading them could potentially activate the weapon. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.160 And that led us to talk about curses as a 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:21.480 kind of information based threat, somewhat analogous to the modern 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.400 example of an email containing a link to download malware 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:28.400 and things like that. So back to Garrett's message. In 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.800 addition to phishing and malware attacks, I'm sure you remember 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:36.080 receiving seemingly innocuous chain emails whereby reading to the end 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.680 you would be cursed in various ways for not sending 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.000 it to fifteen other people. 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.000 You remember these, rob Oh yeah, I mean I remember 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:47.560 back when you received these in the mail. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:51.479 this was the thing before email, and sometimes like kids 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.760 would get them or I'd hear about them through you know, 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.480 through other kids. But yeah, you would receive chain mail 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.840 like this through the snail mail. It would be a letter, 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.960 and you have to get writing more physical letters in 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.200 order to stave off the curse or make sure that 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.080 the blessing remains intent, you know, because sometimes these things 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.200 are not directly talking about curses. They're talking about keeping 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.640 some sort of blessing instead, which kind of amounts to 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:17.200 the same thing. 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.400 Yeah, now that you're saying this, I actually do remember. 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.360 I got one physical piece of an actual snail mail 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.280 chain letter when I was a kid. It came from 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.239 a friend of mine who lived in a different town 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.960 but was a family friend, and I never followed up 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.880 and sent it to anyone, and I felt guilty about 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.960 it for years. So it actually did contain a curse. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:37.599 It's just an unintentional one. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.000 Yeah, I remember. I had to think I had a 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.560 similar situation because I was like, what is this and 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.760 my parents were like, that's that's bs. You don't have 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:46.120 to work. 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.039 But yeah, when you would get the email, you know, 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.160 much later in life, you would get the email ones 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.240 and I remember they, Yeah, sometimes they would have both 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.320 a carrot and a stick. So it'd be like, if 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.840 you send this to fifteen friends, you will your crush 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:03.360 will tell you they like you. If you don't send 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.440 it to anyone, then the next time you look in 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.560 the bathroom mirror you will see the ghost of a girl. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.600 But either way, you know you're going to get some attention. 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:12.200 I guess. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.800 Yeah, So Garrett's message goes on. I thought about your 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.640 comments on readers of these curses or scrolls possibly knowing 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.240 at a glance that such text could be cursed and 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.880 would know not to read it. Yeah, because we were 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:32.560 talking about the idea that texts often have context around 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.440 them that tells you how to read or understand the 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.080 text within, and a lot of times that context is 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.360 stripped out by history and the you know, the circumstances 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.520 through which a text comes down to us. So if 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.400 you just read the text of a pyrus, you know, 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:50.159 in a compiled in a book translated by by historians, 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.080 you might not get some of these context clues that 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.679 would have existed. You know for whatever form this text 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.159 originally took wherever it would have been, and so forth. 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:02.520 Garrett goes on. It made me think of modern high 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:07.400 security environments, such as in government computer systems. From my understanding, 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:10.240 only scribes and clergy would have had the ability to 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:14.960 read hieroglyphs. Perhaps this is a parallel to encryption in 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.280 the digital age. If you go to access any federal 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.280 websites such as for the IRS, FBI, ATF or any 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.560 agency where you'd file documents or make a FOIA request, 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.560 you will encounter a slew of warnings regarding the terms 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:33.800 for accessing the information, threats of civil or criminal penalties 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:38.520 for misused slash interference, consent to monitoring, etc. To go 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.360 a step further, access to these systems by workers within 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:48.120 government is often only allowed in controlled spaces, potentially analogous 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.720 to a sealed or hidden tomb, especially when sensitive and 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:56.920 classified materials are handled, and of course those materials are secured, marked, 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:01.040 and may contain dangerous information. Viewing such information without a 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.120 need to know is prohibited, and of course mishandling it, 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:07.480 failing to properly secure it, or worse yet, publishing it 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:11.440 can result in severe penalties certain classification levels can keep 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.560 documents concealed for years or decades, similar to how graves 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.560 were meant to be undisturbed with severe consequences to defilers. 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.800 It was interesting to me how the curses of antiquity 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:27.280 seem very relatable when compared to safeguarding information even in 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.240 our modern times. Thanks for all the great episodes over 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.680 the years, and have a happy Halloween season with regards, Garrett. 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.480 Yeah, this is a great observation, and I think it's 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.760 worth mentioning against something we brought up in that episode 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.680 that a lot of times these curses or things like 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.200 curses or things that sort of fall under that classification. 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:49.120 You know, again, they would have also been coexisting alongside 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.360 actual legal, real world frameworks. So you would be talking 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.480 about some sort of a punishment in the afterlife for 0:08:55.600 --> 0:09:00.960 supernatural punishment, but that was just alongside or as a 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:06.360 plan b considering that there would be real world implications 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.400 if you were to say, rob a toomb and so forth. 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.920 Yeah, that's right, So, Garrett, I think this is a 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:15.800 really interesting comparison. There definitely are some parallels between the 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.520 care taken to preserve sanctity and secrecy in some ancient 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:23.160 Egyptian magical writings, and the security measure is taken to 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.679 protect sensitive information in a government or a business context, 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.959 and you highlight that nicely. Though I was thinking about 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.480 this and a difference occurred to me. I think it's 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.720 an interesting difference. I think in a modern government and 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:45.040 business context, information is almost always dangerous, exclusively because it 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:50.240 can be acted on. In other words, if somebody unauthorized 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:54.760 had access to this information, they could use it. It 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:58.560 could give them power or advantage over somebody else and 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.520 allow them to cause harm. That could certainly be the 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.600 case for magic as well. You know, somebody gets the 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.360 hold of it, gets hold of the text of a curse, 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.480 they could use it. But ancient Egyptian heca magic had 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.240 an added layer on top of that use through an 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:17.640 actor danger, in that the Egyptians believed that written and 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:23.520 spoken words essentially had power to act themselves, making some 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:28.320 writing more like a piece of self executing computer code 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:32.400 that does something on its own, rather than like only 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.880 a piece of information that can be used by human actors. 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:40.600 Though it is that too, and one interesting illustration of 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.040 this Egyptian belief in the power of written words to 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:48.199 become self executing magical code. I was thinking about apotropaic 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:55.280 defacement of certain dangerous or threatening words in certain contexts. 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.480 And so, for example, imagine you're making an inscription in 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:03.040 a tomb and you need to use the hieroglyphic symbol 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:07.280 that includes a depiction of a crocodile or a snake 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.560 or a scorpion. In some cases, not all cases, but 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:17.800 in some these symbols within the words would be altered 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.920 in some way, maybe only half represented or inscribed in 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:27.280 a physically mutilated way, like with a depicted with a 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:31.960 weapon stabbing through them, or depicted with their heads chopped off. 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:33.640 So if you needed to show a snake, you might 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.240 show it with its head chopped off, essentially to prevent 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:42.360 these dangerous symbols in the written words from magically coming 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.600 alive and causing damage or violence, which I think is 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:51.160 a fascinating understanding of the power of writing. I haven't 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.000 fully thought it out, but it feels like there could 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.800 be some interesting parallels to modern information threats there as well. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.680 But yeah, yeah, I don't know, that does seem like 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:00.920 an important difference. 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:04.120 Yeah, I mean, I love this idea that you see 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:08.600 you see echoes of this in other cultures where once 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.520 we have employed a symbol, it becomes a live in 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:16.480 a way like just the symbol itself or the representation. Uh. 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.800 It reminds me of stories of the magic paint brush 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.679 and so forth, and Chinese tradition, like the idea that 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.760 you wouldn't finish, say a painting of a dragon, you 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.199 would leave out an eye, because if it were complete, 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.160 it would it would come alive in a way that 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:32.400 you might not want it to. 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:34.599 Yeah, very similar here, y. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:34.880 Yeah. 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:40.280 During fall break, my family and I traveled to Vancouver 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.679 and we visited the excellent Museum of Anthropology at UBC, 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:47.000 which if anybody out there, if you're if you live 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:51.240 near Vancouver or you're planning to visit Vancouver, great city, 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:55.480 and this is an amazing museum, well worth visiting. But 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.000 and I may come back to them later in this episode. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.400 But one to one tradition that I learned about there 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.360 was that among some of the Northwest specific people, the 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:08.800 indigenous peoples of that region, you would have puppets that 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.119 depicted certain animals, and after the puppets had been created 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.560 and or used, when they were stored, you would need 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:21.760 to strap their beaks or mouths shut because otherwise they 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:26.040 might chatter in storage. And I love that idea. You 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.959 know that once something has been created like this, you 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.280 fill it with the sort of energy and now you're 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.720 responsible for that energy, or in like the case of 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.080 the Chinese traditions, like you need to make sure you 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:39.959 don't give it the full of energy of creation. 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.880 Yeah, yeah, I mean that certainly to me resembles some 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.640 of the thinking that you see in ancient Egyptian linguistics, 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:52.560 with the idea of hecka magic itself, you know, hekka 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.920 being this concept that does mean magic, but also has 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:01.360 a broader significance as the power to create the creative energy. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:03.240 Yeah. Absolutely. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.240 Anyway, thanks for the message, Garrett. Let's see, rob do 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.440 you want to do one of these messages about our 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.120 series on creatures that lurk in the mine shaft? 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.320 Sure? Sure, let's see. Here's one that comes to us 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:24.320 from Jamie. Jamie says, Dear Robert and Joe, I hope 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.760 you both are well. Your recent episode on the Cornish 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.000 Tommy Knockers and their evolution on the other side of 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.920 the Atlantic, as an example of the phenomenon of cultural 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.920 practices through migration, made me think of the festival of 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:42.400 Halloween itself. Halloween, as I'm sure you both know, is 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:46.640 the Christianized Scots term for the old Celtic New Year 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.720 festival of Saloon, practiced in both Scotland and Ireland, or 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.800 rather in the shared Gaelic culture from which these two 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:58.160 different nations would eventually emerge. Of course, the festival must 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.600 have changed in many ways over the century, but as 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.320 a child of the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties, I 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.320 remember Halloween being celebrated very differently to the way it 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.320 is today. There were no greeting cards or decorations. This 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.600 was not a version of Christmas that came earlier in 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.400 the year, but a festival in its own right, one 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.320 designed to keep away the fair folk, the city and 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.240 their unquiet dead who might cross over the thinning veil 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.680 between our world and theirs. This is the purpose of 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.720 dressing up and frightening costumes and walking the streets guysing 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.400 rather than trick or treating. As children, we would go 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.640 from house to house, knocking on doors and asking are 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:39.600 you taking any geysers? If invited in, you would perform 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.200 a party piece, some kind of joke or song or 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.040 other small performance, and the host would give you some 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.400 sweets if you were lucky, money if you were very lucky, 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.760 or fruit if you weren't. I don't know, I'm probably 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:55.880 an old fogy, but I'm like, where's the where's the fruit? 0:15:56.480 --> 0:16:00.160 I was quizing kids after Halloween here, some of friends 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.840 of my own kid and they were like, oh, yeah, yeah, 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.720 this one house was giving out like fruit roll ups 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.040 or something, and I was like, what's all wrong with that? 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.000 Like that's not even straight up fruit. That's still essentially candy, 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.680 basically candy. Yeah yeah, or they were fruit gund I 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.120 don't know. It was something that was still candy enough, 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:20.840 I thought. But anyway, the message continues in line with 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.920 the process you described in your episode, guysing had a 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.680 communal rather than an individual focus. Rather than the individual 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:31.240 transaction of trick or treating, the whole community is supposed 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.960 to benefit from having the denizens of the other world 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.960 kept at bay. We would also duke I E. Bob 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.680 for apples, and if a young woman peeled an apple 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.560 and threw the peel over her shoulder on Halloween, supposedly 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.200 she would learn the name of her future betrothed. I'm 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.680 not sure how that was supposed to work, but I 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.200 wasn't the target audience. Perhaps the most striking difference is that, 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.240 rather than pumpkins, which are not indigenous to Scotland and 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.560 have a hard time growing, the original jack o lantern, 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.480 or rather boggle, was a face cut in a turn 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.600 up rootabaga. My dad did that once, and given how 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.119 long it took him, I'm not surprised that the pumpkins 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.640 took over. I have seen some of the I've seen 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:18.160 photos of this before, though, and some of these more 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:23.440 traditional jack o' lanterns are rather frightening, even more grotesque, 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.399 or it seemed to me than a pumpkin jack o 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:28.159 lantern can be. 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:30.280 One of these years, I'm going to split the difference 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:31.720 and do a celariac. 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:36.920 All right, just a little bit more here in this 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.480 Jamie message. Still, although I enjoy Halloween every year, it 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.400 makes me quite sad that the original festival has all 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.359 but died in the country of its birth, and that 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.040 the earthy tang of the old ways has been replaced 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.680 with the prepackaged, globalized American version. I realized that mine 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.920 was the last generation ever to go guysing. You don't 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.320 think when you're young that you'll be the last of anything. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:02.080 But I suppose everyone is one day wishing you an 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:03.880 untroubled son. Jane. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.119 Dang, dude, you sound like Dana Hurley at the end 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:07.960 of Halloween three. 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.439 Yeah, yeah, it got it got very contemplative. I mean 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.640 it was a great, great listener mail all the way through. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:15.080 For sure. 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.399 You know, I don't know, I you know, I guess 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:23.240 with Halloween, I'm I find I often find myself in 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:27.120 a weird place because I absolutely love Americanized Halloween. It's 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.000 one of the one of the only American, fully Americanized 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.800 things that I'm like all in on. But on the 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.800 other hand, you know, I respect these these uh, these 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.160 older traditions and uh, you know, and I of course 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.760 I have various friends who are pagan and and uh 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.520 and and often highlight the importance of solowin h uh. 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.959 But you know, there's always room, I think, for us 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:54.640 to to take these older traditions and re embrace them 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:59.560 and uh enjoy them alongside of and sometimes in place 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.480 of these more globalized traditions. So you know, I'm in favor. 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:07.080 I'm not going to be like super protective my Americanized Halloween, 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:11.000 which you know, even still I think you know, my 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.159 American Eyed Halloween, like everyone else, is going to be 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.760 highly individualized, and you know, you can sort of there's 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:17.080 so much of it out there, you can sort of 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.600 select what you're going to embrace. But yeah, I'm all 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:24.960 for us, you know, reawakening these these older traditions as well. 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:27.440 Let's carve some rout of beaks, That's what I'm saying. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:28.920 Yeah. 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.120 Oh, in quick note here, I use the I believe 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:36.440 older pronunciation of sith here. This is more I think 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:40.000 more recently pronounced as she, and we have used that 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.600 as well. And this is you know, this is the 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.359 referring to the fairy folk and like Irish tradition and 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:46.800 so forth. 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.399 All right, let's do another message about the creatures of 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.040 the minds. A lot lot of the mining spirits we 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:05.800 talked about in those episodes would get offerings in exchange 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.720 for the protection of miners. Sometimes there would be little 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.800 effigies of the creature, maybe positioned at the mine opening. 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.359 People would leave little donuts for them, things so that 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:19.160 they would work their magic and beneficial rather than harmful ways. 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.200 And much to my happy surprise, we got a message 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.840 about that type of tradition from somebody involved in mining. 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:31.880 So this comes from Andrew. Subject line current mining protections. Hi, 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:35.600 Robert and Joe, loved your Mining Superstitions podcast. Just wanted 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.200 to let you know of current practices in Australia. At 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:42.600 our tunneling projects, it is traditioned to have Saint Barbara, 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:46.040 the patron Saint of tunnelers and miners, at the entrance 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.400 to the shaft to offer protection. Below is a bit 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.760 of information. I'll come back to this in a second. 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:55.960 Andrew says, I have attached a photo of our Saint 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:59.119 Barbara in the Brisbane Metro Tunnel, and we also have 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:03.679 the sacred ranches used in the indigenous smoking blessing ceremony 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:08.400 held at the start of each project. Thanks love your work, Andrew. 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.359 And then yes, Andrew includes did I say earlier Andrew 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:15.400 was involved in mining. It sounds like maybe he's Maybe 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:20.000 Andrew's involved in tunneling for infrastructure rather than mining. I'm 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:24.359 not sure tunneling whatever the location. But yeah, anyway, Andrew 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.560 included this picture. So we see here what looks like 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.320 a station that's got a bunch of controls, you know, 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:36.119 like electrical doubing and controls for power and machinery and 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:40.000 there is. I think it's either a security camera. Oh no, 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:41.919 that can't be. That's got to be a photo, a 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:45.479 mounted photo of a bunch of miners in safety vests 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:47.600 and stuff like that lined up for a photo. And 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:49.720 then above it, yeah, there's a little it almost looks 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.080 like a bird house on the side of a tunnel wall. 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:56.240 And inside the house there is a little statue of 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.160 a saint. She's holding a sword and a cup, she's 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:03.240 wearing a crown, and she's surrounded by some minty blue lights. 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.560 And then also in another little house of the same 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.119 shape mounted against the wall, Yeah, there is, there's a 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:14.080 bouquet of some kind of herb, dried herb held together, 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.720 and I guess that's for the smoking ceremony. 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:20.920 I love these images because in both cases you clearly see, 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:25.680 you know, the shrine very much alongside the modern technology, 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:29.159 or at least symbols of that modern technology, you know, 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:31.280 which really, you know, goes to show that. Yeah, even 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:36.440 even today with you know, enhanced safety measures, enhanced technology 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.040 on our side, enhanced lighting, which of course is a 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:41.800 major aspect of all of this, as we discussed in 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:45.119 those episodes, there is still more than enough space for 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:50.560 the supernatural for religious belief and so forth, you know, 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.800 to reach out to that extra level of protection in 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:56.480 uncertain and or dangerous or extreme environments. 0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:00.439 Andrew also links to an article about the import of 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:04.440 Saint Barbara on the website of something called Blui, which 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.840 I think has nothing to do with the Australian cartoon dog. 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:13.560 This is a tunneling company of some kind, but they've 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:16.639 got an article on their website about Saint Barbara, the 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:21.520 protector of tunnelers and engineers that talks about how there's 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:26.359 a tradition going back to the sixteenth century of placing 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.199 an image or an image of Saint Barbara or shrine 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.760 to Saint Barbara at the portal of a tunnel, and 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:36.679 the article explains why it says quote. According to legend 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:40.040 tracing as far back as the third century AD, Barbara 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.880 lived in present day Istanbul, Turkey, and was the only 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.240 daughter of a wealthy man who sought to protect her 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:49.159 by confining her to an isolated tower. She eventually escaped 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.359 and converted to Christianity. However, in doing so, she was 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:56.159 denounced by her father to the authorities. Barbara took refuge 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.879 with miners in a small town in Greece, but was 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:02.000 later uncovered by the other authorities. Upon leaving the mind 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:06.080 she was decapitated by her father. God then struck down 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.439 her father with a blast of lightning as punishment, and 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:15.159 hence the association with explosives in underground darkness became associated 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:19.040 with Saint Barbara. This is also the reason some people 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:22.240 say Saint Barbara whenever there's a lightning strike nearby. 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:24.479 Oh wow, I need to start saying that. 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:28.360 Okay, never heard that before, and maybe that's a regionalism. 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:30.560 Yeah, I was not familiar with this saint at all. 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:36.000 Weird associative history. So because she hid it a mine 0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:41.280 and because her murderer father got blasted by lightning, she's 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.840 the patron saint of blowing up of dynamiting tunnels. 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.480 Yeah, of course it also brings to mind we briefly 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:51.880 mentioned the threat that lightning strikes can pose to mining operations. 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.359 Oh yeah, so there may be some relation there as well. 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:56.800 Well. Thanks again, Andrew. 0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:00.960 Yeah, this is exactly the sort of field report we 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:03.560 love to get regarding our episodes. 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:07.840 Yeah. Absolutely love to hear from people who have firsthand experience, 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:10.080 who you know, work day to day with the kinds 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:12.359 of things we talk about and can add their own experience. 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:14.280 All right, Rob, do you want to do another one 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:17.080 of the messages about the mind shaft? 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:25.360 Sure? This one comes to us from Jeff Jeff Wright. 0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:28.480 Sentence says, Hey, guys, mercifully short note here. If you've 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:31.440 still got room in your episodes on Cave Gromlin's, you 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:34.240 might want to check out Jules Verne's The Child of 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:37.199 the Cavern. Or maybe not because spoiler alert. While the 0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:42.439 characters do discuss possible supernatural explanations for unexplained happenings, it's 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.439 ultimately a Scooby Doo reveal where the villain is essentially 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.720 a captain Nemo of the coal Mine. Verne creates another 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:52.480 one of his fragile utopias, this one of Paradise Underground, 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:56.200 just waiting to be ruined by meddling outsiders. Fun read 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:58.000 with lots of imagery that is stuck in my head 0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:01.080 for years, but maybe not his most compelling work. Yeah. 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:04.080 I don't think I was even aware of this one. 0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.440 Yeah, this was not on my radar either, but looking 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.760 it up, I mean it does sound fascinating, involves what 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.960 goblins and fire maidens, but I. 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.200 Think things falsely attributed to such. 0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:18.560 I believe yes, because again has just noted it ends 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:21.600 up being a Scooby Doo reveal. But still, you know, 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:26.360 just the idea sometimes is more frightening than the reveal 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.760 or the reality. So depending on how it's presented in 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:31.360 the text, it might be rather compelling. 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.520 The wiki makes it look like one of the characters 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:39.199 has an attack owl. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, maybe I'll 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.119 have to take a look someday. All right, I'm going 0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:44.240 to do one more message on the mining creatures. This 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:53.800 one comes from Rebecca. Rebecca says Hello. In twenty twenty four, 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:58.040 I visited the Rigna Mining experience in roscomm And, Ireland. 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:00.800 The Rigna mine was in the side of a hill, 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:03.760 so you didn't need to descend to just walk into 0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:07.280 the old mine. The mind closed in nineteen ninety, but 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:10.200 there are still a few miners working as tour guides. 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:14.240 Listening to our guide relate his experiences was very interesting. 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:18.399 He mentioned that once a coal seam was exhausted, they 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:21.639 would pack it in with rock. Of course, they couldn't 0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.840 ever pack it as tightly as it had been, so 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.560 you would hear the ground settling. It must have been 0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:31.000 quite disconcerting. I would recommend visiting it if you're ever 0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:34.600 in that part of the world. Thanks for the podcast, Rebecca, 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:37.280 Thank you, Rebecca. Yeah, this is a great thing to 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:42.320 point out, Like in addition to minds, of course, you know, 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:45.680 the underground tunnel version of minds being dark and having 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:50.840 strange sonic characteristics and all that, the changes that you 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.359 are physically making to the earth have to bring about 0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:56.960 their own challenges to the psyche, both in terms of 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.840 just conceptually being aware of you know, that you're cutting 0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:01.760 through the rock and how much rock is above you 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.600 and all that, but also yeah, when you're you know, 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.440 packing a bunch of rock into an emptied out seam 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:10.920 or something. Yeah, surely that makes some noises. I'm sure 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:12.520 that doesn't sound very good in the dark. 0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:14.680 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, this is a great point. 0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:17.600 Okay, we got a few more Halloween related things. You 0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:19.000 want to take your pick, Rob. 0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:23.439 Yeah, let's see. We heard from Scott here in response 0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:28.399 to our Bone Collector's episodes subject line hyenas and lions 0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:32.280 and bears. Oh my, Scott says, greetings all, I'm listening 0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.080 to this to the discussion about cave hyenas in part 0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:37.840 one of the bone collector's episode and remembered something I 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:41.840 read years ago, probably in a National Geographic article. Modern 0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.600 day lions and the spotted hyena are natural enemies, so 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.640 much so that if a group of either animal encounters 0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:50.640 the other, they will attack them on site. This behavior 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:54.240 is outside of attempting to steal food, defend their territory, 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.120 or protect their young. If the pack of hyenas come 0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:00.080 across the solitary lion, they will immediately attack and kill 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.480 the lion, and vice versa. An interesting finding of the 0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:05.920 article was that the outcome of the fight could be 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:09.000 accurately predicted by comparing the total weight of the groups, 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:12.680 rather than by the number of fighters. A single large, 0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.840 powerful lion could defeat a number of quick, agile hyenas 0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:18.960 until the number of hyaenas increased to where their total 0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:22.400 weight exceeded that of the lion. I was reminded of 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.800 this when you talked about how the cave versions of hyenas, lions, 0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:28.640 and bears all used the same caves. It occurred to 0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:31.280 me that the same arithmetic might have been in play 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.880 back then. If a sufficient weight of lions arrived at 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.880 a cave occupied by a smaller total weight of hyaenas 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:39.920 the lions might say, nice cave, we'll take it. If 0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.760 the lion pride didn't have the weight, though, they'd possibly 0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:44.760 just move along. One of the things I like about 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:47.520 your podcast is how I get connections between new things 0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.800 that I've learned in things that I'd learned previously. Thank you, Scott. 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:55.800 Interesting, Thank you Scott. To the extent that this is true, 0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:59.160 I haven't verified this myself, but I mean, if the 0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.720 weight balance and sing thing is true, how does that 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.240 work in the animal's brain, Like, how does the lion 0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:11.480 or the hyena judge accurately? Okay, we've got enough mass 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:15.360 on our side to take down the other side, you know. 0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:19.360 Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean I could see where 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:22.160 some version of this would would certainly be be true 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.320 because we've talked about, you know, plenty of times before 0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:29.360 about one of the defensive characteristics of various organisms is 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.880 of course, to make yourself appear bigger. And if you 0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:36.520 accurately or if you say accurately communicate, if you effectively 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:40.520 communicate this even as a deception, you may convince the 0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:43.080 other animal like the math is wrong. I can't take 0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:46.200 this animal, or the attempt to take it is just 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.960 too risky and therefore I should move along. 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:53.760 Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm going to do this one from Joe. 0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:01.720 Joe says, Hey, Rob and Joe, Oh enjoyed the spooky 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.600 content this month. Watched Black Sunday with my wife and 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:08.760 loved the Bone Midden episodes as well. Nice hope you 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:12.760 both enjoyed Black Sunday. So, Joe says, I just heard 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:16.320 about another creature suitable for entry into your catalog of 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:21.240 abattoir keepers. The spectral bat. Now, that really does sound 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.240 like a creature from the D and D manual because 0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:25.160 it sounds like it like phases in and out. It's 0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:28.360 like a phase spider or something. But no, this is 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:31.680 a real animal, Joe says. Unlike your typical bat, which 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:36.400 is either a docile vegetarian or helpful insectivore, these bats 0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:42.160 are true predators, with large bodies, ferocious faces, wolfish jaws, 0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:45.160 and massive fangs that they used to kill their avian 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.560 bat and rodent prey and then carry them back to 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:52.480 their layers to eat at their leisure, discarding the inedible parts. 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:56.440 Below and Rabbi pulled in a collage of images of 0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:58.560 this bat for you to look at in the outline 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:01.800 shocking looking jaws. I did not know there were bats 0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:05.160 that had mouths that looked like this. It does have 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:06.280 werewolf face. 0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:06.840 Yeah. 0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:10.160 Joe attaches a link to a study of their diet 0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.720 and behavior done by looking at the middens of bones 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.320 that they create, or bones and other hard parts that 0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:19.200 they create. Joe says, I thought you'd like to hear 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.240 about these guys because they really feel like they flapped 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:24.280 out of the monster manual. This is a bat with 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:27.880 a challenge rating. These are the bats that other bats 0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:31.000 tell scary stories about when the nights grow long and dark. 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:34.840 Thanks again and happy Halloween, Joe. And then I want 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:37.680 to note the study that Joe linked to. It was 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:41.080 a paper published in the Journal of Mammalogy in nineteen 0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:45.560 seventy seven called Observations on the Foraging Behavior and avan 0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:50.400 Prey of the Neotropical carnivorous Bat Vimpyrum spectrum. This is 0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:55.400 by Sandra verencamp F, Gary Styles, and Jack W. Bradbury. 0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:58.120 And so the authors of this paper were trying to 0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:01.960 study the foraging behavior of vectral bat by looking by 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:06.720 using some radio tracking, by watching their roosts in the evening, 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:10.880 and then finally by a quote a systematic collection of 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.640 the prey parts found in the bottom of a roost 0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:18.600 containing five bats. Quote. Of the eighteen species, about eighty 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:22.000 six individuals identified most. And this is talking about the 0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:26.040 prey species. The remains they found most were common residents 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:30.600 of the tropical dry deciduous forest. Non passerines were significantly 0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.920 preferred over passerines. Vampireum appeared to select birds which way 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:38.160 between twenty and one hundred and fifty grams, sleep in 0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:42.200 foliage rather than in holes or burrows, and either roost 0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:46.720 communally or have a strong body odor. It appears that 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.440 the bats locate their avian prey by scent rather than 0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:53.720 by vision or echolocation. So these are going to be 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.960 wolfjaw bats out there hunting for birds to eat in 0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:59.800 the foliage at night, birds that might sleep among the 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.400 leaves rather than in a tight, little protected roost. And yeah, 0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:05.880 especially smelly birds are going to be the ones that 0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:07.280 are easiest for them to find. 0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:11.000 Excellent, Yes, quite a specimen here, you know. I had 0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.280 bats on the brain a little bit over the weekend, 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:17.120 which being Halloween weekend, that's not completely out of the ordinary, 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:20.719 but I was driving my kid and one of their 0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.000 friends somewhere in the car, and so we put on 0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:28.239 an episode of Ali Ward's Homologies, and in it she 0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:34.080 was interviewing the world famous bat researcher Merlin Tuttle, and 0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:37.680 it was just a really fun chat about bats. So 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.400 I recommend that one passed that on to our listeners 0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:40.840 as well. 0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:52.239 Great, all right, now we have some more responses to 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:54.840 Halloween episodes, but there were a few other messages we 0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:56.759 wanted to fit in today, so we're going to save 0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:58.920 the rest of the Halloween stuff for next time. We'll 0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:02.320 probably do another listener within the next couple of weeks, 0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:05.680 but yeah, for now, we're going to skip back to 0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.560 some responses to our Giant Clam episode. 0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:12.239 Right, that's right, we heard from Chris. Chris wrote in 0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:14.920 and said, good day, Robert, Joe and JJA. Listening to 0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:18.080 the most recent episode, Jaws of the Giant Clam, I 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.840 couldn't help but notice the overlap between the story you 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.200 mentioned about the giant clam and the canoe from the 0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:27.840 Tahitian and includes a question mark herett legend, and the 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:31.840 storyline in Mwana II when the traveling party encounters a 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:34.640 giant clam the size of an island, they end up 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:38.160 inside the clam, and the events that ensue are vital 0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:40.200 to the rest of the story. Here's a quick link 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.440 to a page about it, but i'd suggest just taking 0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:44.920 a quick watch of that section of the film and 0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:49.360 see how it's portrayed. Thanks as always for your fantastic episodes. 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:51.879 Yeah, so I was the one who brought up the 0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:56.560 folklore about the giant clam that sometimes appears in the 0:35:56.640 --> 0:36:02.120 tales of the Polynesian folk hero Rata. The specific version 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:03.640 of the story that I was talking about was a 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:08.640 to Amoto On telling, but yeah, this kind of encounter 0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:12.920 pops up in multiple versions throughout these Polynesian folk tales, 0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:15.080 so that's what I was talking about. But this is 0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:17.719 a great connection because I have not seen Moana or 0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:21.480 Moana Too, but I clicked through here and yeah, it 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:23.880 looks like there is there's a giant like almost like 0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:25.160 skyscraper sized. 0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:29.960 Yeah. Yeah, and it does have the correct it's it's 0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.800 position vertically as opposed to horizontally, which is more accurate. 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:34.440 Right. Yeah. Nice. 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:36.839 Yeah, I haven't seen Moana too, I've only seen the 0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:41.000 first one. But yeah, the images of this look really 0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:43.600 really fascinating, So maybe I should give it a fewing. 0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:47.440 I'm just taking a look at it. I see. I 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:51.040 love how you can see the little the little eyes. Yes, 0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:53.040 flesh there, Yeah, that's nice. 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.000 Absolutely and certainly the yeah then interior, that mantle of 0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:59.080 flesh is very vibrant, as it should be. So they 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:01.480 definitely did their own work a bit and paid attention, 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:03.920 and then you know, also applyed a fair amount of 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.200 creativity in creating this. Now, I want to use this 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.160 as a springboard to mention something that I learned about 0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:14.160 recently after our Giant clam episode came out. I mentioned 0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:17.520 earlier in this episode that my family and I visited 0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:20.000 Vancouver and we went to the Museum of Anthropology at 0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:23.520 UBC and there was so much to learn there. Again, 0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:28.480 fabulous museum, but specifically I learned about a belief among 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:32.160 the Hata people about the raven and the first Men. 0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:36.640 And basically the story goes that the first people are 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:41.480 found in a giant clamshell by the great Raven after 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:44.640 a tremendous flood, you know, some sort of a great flood, 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.719 and so the little people are in there naked, cowering 0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:52.680 for shelter and cover from this great bird that's inspecting them. 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:55.919 But the bird, the Great Raven, is also a little 0:37:55.960 --> 0:38:00.799 bit of a trickster, but also not a cannibal bird 0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:04.000 or anything, you know, not a man eater. So what 0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:06.440 he does is he coaxes them out with his tongue 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:09.000 and it convinces them you can get out of there. 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.279 You can't cower in that shell forever. And so they 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.040 climb out of the shell and they become the first people. 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:18.000 So it's a tremendous little story. And there's an amazing 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:21.440 sculpture in the museum that I believe was unveiled in 0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:26.000 nineteen eighty by hay To artist Bill Reid. I included 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.839 a photograph of this sculpture here for you, Joe, though 0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:31.600 in this image you don't really get a sense of 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:35.960 the scale of the piece because it's the central piece 0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:38.000 in this special room and you kind of like look 0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:40.520 up at it and you walk around it. I was 0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:41.320 very impressed. 0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:43.920 Yeah, looks amazing, though, I would love to see this 0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:46.840 in person. So you can see all the people inside 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:50.000 the shells, they're you know, peeking out, and you can 0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:52.600 see several different bodies in there, and then the bird 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:55.800 with like sort of huddled over with its wings forming shroud. 0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.840 Yeah. Yeah, you also see a butt or two poking 0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:00.879 out because the people are cowering in there. 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:05.840 Yeah, jumbled always inside, all right. One more message about 0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:09.680 giant clams. This comes from Lawrence a subject line Batman 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:17.960 versus Giant Clam. Hey, guys, just finish listening to your 0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:20.160 Giant Clam episode. And I thought you might like to 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:23.000 know that Superman isn't the only DC hero to have 0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:25.720 a run in with a giant clam. Seems the Joker 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:29.560 tried to finish off the Dynamic duo with one in 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:33.719 the Cliffhanger episode or the Cliffhang Cliffhanger ending of an 0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:37.359 episode of the Adam West Batman series. Here's a link 0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:40.640 to a clip of the escape, and then Lawrence provides 0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:43.200 a clip. I went and looked at it. I see 0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:47.000 Batman and some lady are in this wet room and 0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:50.200 I think Robin has already been swallowed by a giant 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.200 clam and Batman has to pry the jaws open, and 0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:56.080 it's just like the Superman thing. It's like, Wow, you know, 0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.960 only a superhero could could get these these things apart. 0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:00.880 Yeah, how rop and get in there? To begin with 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:01.600 a lot of. 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:06.160 Questions lost and Nickel when in there looking for it. Yeah, 0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:08.880 all right, let's see Rob. Do you want to finish 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:12.279 off by doing a couple of responses about weird house cinema? 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:14.719 Sure, sure, let's do some weird house cinema. 0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:15.439 Take your pick. 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.120 All right, this one comes to us. Oh, this one's 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:21.640 from Rob, but not from me. This is a different Rob. 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:22.359 There are a lot of us. 0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:25.200 And also I'm not the Joe who wrote the Joe 0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:26.320 messages today. 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:28.560 Yeah, there are there Joe's and Robs out there, and 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:38.120 sometimes they know each other too. Anyway, this one says, Hello, Robin, Joe, 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:41.440 your call out for suggestions. This would be suggestions for 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:45.040 things we could watch during October, including potential weird house 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:49.800 cinema selections. Your call out for suggestions included a thematic 0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:53.840 preference that likely precludes my suggestion, But I expect that 0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.000 you both enjoy it, even if it doesn't fit on 0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:58.480 a weird House episode. If you have not had the 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.520 pleasure of watching Over the Guard Wall, I cannot recommend 0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:04.840 it strongly enough. It's an animated ten episode mini series 0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:07.920 featuring some big name voice actors. Despite the talent, it 0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:10.600 has flown under the radar for virtually everyone I've spoken 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:14.040 to about this wonderful series. It's an annual watch in 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:16.719 my household, and my daughter in university comes home for 0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:18.960 a weekend so we can all watch it. It's a 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:24.200 family friendly, wholesome, slightly creepy, fully weird viewing adventure that 0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:27.440 is now a part of my family's cultural DNA. I 0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:29.440 wish you the best. Thank you for your passion and 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:33.000 dedication to blowing the minds off your listeners. Cheers Rob. 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:38.360 Oh well, Rob, I'm glad you mentioned Over the Garden Wall. 0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:42.200 Here in my household, we are also big fans of 0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:47.200 Over the Garden Wall. We just finished a complete rewatch 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:51.720 of the full ten episode series. In the past, we've 0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:55.040 just rewatched a few choice episodes here and there, but 0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:59.279 we finally returned and took in the whole storyline. A 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:02.680 tremendous show. We love everything about it, and in fact, 0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:06.280 my wife and I went as the two characters weret 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:10.320 and Greg for Halloween this year, so I was Wort 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:14.520 and she was Greg, and not everybody knew who we were. 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:18.080 Some people thought I was a gnome, but the people 0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:20.279 who got it really got it and were excited for it. 0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:23.640 So you sent me some pictures of your family Halloween costumes, 0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:26.719 and it was adorable. I also actually am not familiar 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.640 with Over the Garden Wall. I think somebody has written 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:31.560 in about this before, so I think it's come up 0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:35.120 in a past listener mail some time ago. But yeah, 0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.080 I've never seen it, so I didn't recognize what these 0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:39.880 costumes were. So I was like googling the characteristics of 0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.080 the photos you sent me trying to figure out what 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:44.440 it was. Once I did, I was like, oh, okay, 0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.200 but yeah, y'all looked great. It looked like a really 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:48.480 fun family Halloween. 0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:53.080 Yeah. Yeah, it's a tremendous show. And as Rob mentioned here, 0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:55.840 it has flown under the radar for a lot of people, 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:58.120 but it has in the process taken on this cult 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:02.120 like following. You know, it's something new for people to 0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:05.920 discover every year. Oh and while I'm at it, I'll 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.160 go ahead and mention it just happens to be the 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:12.120 case that already made this decision. But this week's Monster Fact, 0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:16.520 we'll cover something from Over the Garden Wall. So Over 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:18.239 the Garden Wall fans tune in. 0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:26.600 Oh, here's a funny one from Jonas addressing something that 0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:30.200 I don't remember. If we if we did. But Jonas says, 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:33.319 dear Joe and Robert, I am writing to you about 0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:35.719 two times recently when you called a couple of our 0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:42.600 beloved Swedish national heroes Swiss. So Jonas mentions britt Ekland 0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:46.440 of the Wicker Man and says, britt Ekland is Swedish, 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:51.040 not Swiss. The same is true of old Carl Linnaeus. Jonas, 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:54.279 I truly cannot remember when we called britt Ekland or 0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:58.879 Carl Lineus Swiss. But if that passed through my lips, 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:01.440 I'm sorry. I did not mean to say that. That 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:03.640 was not the impression I had about either one. 0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:07.759 It might have been me. And because I did go 0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:12.200 back and and applied some corrections to a couple of episodes, 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:14.040 I believe, so, just a slip of the tongue there. 0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:17.279 Okay, Well, so thank you for the correction, Jonas. And yeah, 0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:19.640 of course corrections always welcome, folks, if we have a 0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:21.200 slip up of that kind. 0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.520 Yeah, because we can always go back in and generally 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:27.600 correct it, which is of course essential if we're going 0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:29.880 to rerun an episode later in the future. 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:34.719 Yeah. Also I should add on here Jonas asks us 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.640 to do an episode on the subject of religion, answering 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.000 the big questions such as what is it, where did 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:43.280 it come from? Things like that. This is a subject 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:46.200 so large and fundamental. I don't think we're ever going 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.080 to do that as an episode in itself, but of 0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:51.600 course this will come up tangentially and discussing all kinds 0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:54.640 of other topics. So it's definitely always on our mind. 0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:57.560 If you listen to us, you probably know we both 0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:00.840 are big. We are very interesting religion. 0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:02.680 Yeah. Yeah, we tend to be a bit more I 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:05.759 guess granular in our approach these days and these sorts 0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:09.120 of topics. So I would say in general, just anytime 0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:11.279 you see a topic that is related to religion or 0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:14.399 could potentially be related to religion, will probably go there 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:15.040 to some degree. 0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:16.080 Yeah. 0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:19.080 All right, here's one last one to close out the episode. 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:22.719 This one comes to us from Luisa, subject spiritual successor 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:31.200 to Wickerman. She says, Hi, guys, I hope Halloween season 0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:33.360 was as weird and rewarding as you like it to be. 0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.080 The following idea has been going around in my head 0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:39.080 ever since the Wickerman episode on Weird House. Maybe the 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:41.799 true spiritual child of that classic movie is not the 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:44.560 horrible remake, but what I find to be a nice 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:50.680 recipient of the spookiness of the original Midsummer think about it, 0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:54.680 a whole town in on the rituals, however, Macague people 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:58.240 from outside trying to make sense of it all, gorgeous cinematography, 0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:01.240 vivid colors, and at the end, acceptance of what should 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:05.680 not feel as right as it actually does. Please tell 0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:07.480 me if I'm way off base. As always, thank you 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:10.040 for your podcast. I must confess I will not be reading. 0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:12.520 I have no mouth and I'm a scream however much 0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:13.640 it sounds fascinating. 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:19.040 Best regards, please, thank you, Luisa. Yeah, great recommendation. You know, 0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:21.800 we usually do older films. I mean, we don't have 0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:24.480 a rule against doing more recent films. We tend to 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:28.840 do older movies. But yeah, that one, I'm absolutely on 0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:31.320 the same page with you about it being in many 0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:36.280 ways a spiritual grandchild of the Wickerman. Yeah, it feels 0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:40.760 absolutely like that, And I see exactly what you're talking 0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:43.680 about about the ending, the acceptance of what should not 0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:47.440 feel right as it actually does feel as right as 0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:50.520 it actually does. I was thinking about both of the 0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:54.719 big ari astor horror movies that I've seen have this 0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:59.520 great feeling of like an ending that is terrible and 0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:03.840 horrible bowl but feels great or I don't know, I 0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:06.400 don't know if it feels great but has an exultant 0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:07.480 quality about it. 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:11.320 Hmm. Yeah, I haven't seen it, so I can't speak 0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:12.960 to it, and I don't think I've seen either of 0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:19.279 his films. Actually, with Midsommer, we've received recommendations regarding it 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:23.719 numerous times. For a weird house. I'm always just turned 0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:25.840 off because, like, the lady on this is so silly, 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:28.239 I'm sure, But the lady on the posters crying and 0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:31.080 she seems very unhappy, and I'm like, I don't know 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:34.080 if I want to watch this. She seems very unhappy 0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:35.839 about it. Am I going to be unhappy about it? 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:37.200 I don't know. 0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:41.560 You're going to have a mix of extreme emotions. There 0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:43.840 are some very very unhappy things in the movie. 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:45.960 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I want 0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:47.040 extreme emotions. 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:51.440 But it's also really interesting. 0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:54.840 Yeah, again, I've been hearing great things about it. I'm 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:58.440 catching up a little bit. Over Halloween, my wife and 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:01.520 I watched a pair of move movies that that we'd 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.800 heard good things about. We watched Weapons, which everyone loves 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:07.040 and I haven't seen it. Oh, you haven't seen Weapons? 0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:08.240 Weapons is great? 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:12.239 Bye? Is it by the people who made Barbarian? Yes? 0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:16.600 Yeah, same same creator, h same writer, director, And I 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:19.879 haven't seen Barbarian yet because I was I was kind 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:22.839 of like, I was concerned that it would be too 0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:25.480 real world. People said it was great and that I 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:27.560 should see it, and I just haven't gotten to it yet. 0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:29.360 But then I was like, Okay, we'll give Weapons a go. 0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:32.239 Too many people are saying it's tremendous, uh, and I 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:36.520 really enjoyed it. Don't let anybody tell you anything about it. Luckily, 0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:39.719 the promotion of the film I think has largely avoided spoilers. 0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:42.799 But it's a lot of fun. And then because one 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:46.880 of my kids friends was dressed as the title character 0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:51.120 from it, we watched Megan the three again. Yeah, we 0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:55.080 watched him three again and in a in a different way. 0:48:55.120 --> 0:48:56.359 That was a lot of fun as well. 0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:59.480 Dude, I love him three agin. It was I think 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:00.880 Reagan's awesome. 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:05.719 I heard it described as it's Chucky meets Terminator with 0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:08.520 a you know, like with a dash of like not 0:49:08.920 --> 0:49:15.040 too deep modern AI robotics consideration, and it makes for 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:15.720 a fun film. 0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:18.719 I like that style of just a hog wild, care 0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:21.439 free sci fi horror movie with a sense of humor. 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.759 Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed it, and I'm I'm interested in 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:26.440 watching the sequel. 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:26.719 I don't know. 0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:30.360 My wife is on board for it. But the trailer 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:32.120 for the sequel looks looks pretty wild. 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:35.280 Oh, we're gonna watch it. Yeah. Rachel loved the original 0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:38.399 in threegan two. Yeah, we've seen it more than once. 0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:40.920 The sequel looks like maybe it goes into like it 0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:43.399 maybe goes a little Kaishu or maybe even a little 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:46.160 Grimlins too. I can't tell, but it does look like 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:50.319 one of those sequels where at least the filmmakers were 0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:53.040 asking the right questions, like what can we do that's different? 0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:56.040 Where do we go from here? Not just another scoopa 0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:57.880 iyce tream? But you know, I'm more on top and 0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:00.680 maybe it falls, but I don't know, but the trailer 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:01.360 looks intriguing. 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:05.360 Maybe next year for Halloween I'll bem three again. I 0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:06.000 would like that. 0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:08.839 All right? Well, listeners, you write in, you tell us 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:12.440 what your thoughts are. 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