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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey you, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind Listener Mail.

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Speaker 2: My name is Robert Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And I am Joe McCormick, and it's that old Halloween

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Speaker 3: hangover edition of listener Mail. Today we're going to be

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Speaker 3: featuring messages from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind a

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Speaker 3: these in the first week of November. I guess it's

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Speaker 3: everything that came in over the previous month. Lots of great,

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Speaker 3: cranky messages that feel like they were pounded out from

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Speaker 3: a terminal at the Dunwich Public Library. And this time

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Speaker 3: we've got a bunch of messages on deck, also going

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Speaker 2: That's right. You can also ask us for the link

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Speaker 2: to the discord server. That's something you can do. Follow

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Speaker 2: us wherever you happen to follow things social media wise

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Speaker 2: these days, and you know, we still have the t

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Speaker 2: public merch store open. I'm just going to say I

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Speaker 2: have no idea how much longer that store will be available.

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Speaker 2: So some of those designs in there that are not

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Speaker 2: just the standard logo design, they may or may not

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Speaker 2: and give you fair warning go pick one of those up,

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Speaker 2: because I'm not sure what the long term future of

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Speaker 3: Ultra rare.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not trying to be cryptic, I am just uncertain. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but let's get cryptic. What do we have in the

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Speaker 3: Okay, Rob, do you mind if I start off with

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Speaker 3: this message from Garrett about Egyptian curses? Oh?

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Speaker 2: By all needs.

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Speaker 3: Following some stage directions here this message. This message begins gentlemen,

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Speaker 3: I've been a listener for quite a while. I have

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Speaker 3: always enjoyed and now look forward to spooky Halloween content

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Speaker 3: each October. Your recent episodes on Egyptian curses were quite interesting.

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Speaker 3: Since I was young, I've heard my dad claim that

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Speaker 3: evidence except a shared last name. But that pseudo fact

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Speaker 3: piqued my interest in Egypt from a young age, and

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Speaker 3: it lasts even to this day. Your discussion about modern

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Speaker 3: hazards to the reader or information threats contained within certain

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Speaker 3: emails was fun. Yeah, so a brief refresher for context.

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Speaker 3: This came up when we were talking about ancient Egyptian

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Speaker 3: texts that threatened the reader with curses. This, of course,

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Speaker 3: was not the majority of ancient Egyptian curses. This was

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Speaker 3: But we talked about a couple of examples of texts

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Speaker 3: we talked about some reasons people might have put curses

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Speaker 3: addition to phishing and malware attacks, I'm sure you remember

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Speaker 2: You remember these, rob Oh yeah, I mean I remember

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Speaker 3: But yeah, when you would get the email, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Garrett's message goes on. I thought about your

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Speaker 3: It was interesting to me how the curses of antiquity

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Speaker 3: our modern times. Thanks for all the great episodes over

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Speaker 3: the years, and have a happy Halloween season with regards, Garrett.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a great observation, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: You know, again, they would have also been coexisting alongside

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, So, Garrett, I think this is a

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Speaker 3: and you highlight that nicely. Though I was thinking about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I love this idea that you see

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that certainly to me resembles some

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Speaker 3: One of these years, I'm going to split the difference

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it got it got very contemplative. I mean

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Speaker 3: All right, let's do another message about the creatures of

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Speaker 3: So this comes from Andrew. Subject line current mining protections. Hi,

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, I need to start saying that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so there may be some relation there as well.

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Speaker 3: Well. Thanks again, Andrew.

436
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is exactly the sort of field report we

437
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: love to get regarding our episodes.

438
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely love to hear from people who have firsthand experience,

439
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 3: who you know, work day to day with the kinds

440
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 3: of things we talk about and can add their own experience.

441
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: All right, Rob, do you want to do another one

442
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: of the messages about the mind shaft?

443
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 2: Sure? This one comes to us from Jeff Jeff Wright.

444
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: Sentence says, Hey, guys, mercifully short note here. If you've

445
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: still got room in your episodes on Cave Gromlin's, you

446
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: might want to check out Jules Verne's The Child of

447
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 2: the Cavern. Or maybe not because spoiler alert. While the

448
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 2: characters do discuss possible supernatural explanations for unexplained happenings, it's

449
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 2: ultimately a Scooby Doo reveal where the villain is essentially

450
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 2: a captain Nemo of the coal Mine. Verne creates another

451
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: one of his fragile utopias, this one of Paradise Underground,

452
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: just waiting to be ruined by meddling outsiders. Fun read

453
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: with lots of imagery that is stuck in my head

454
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: for years, but maybe not his most compelling work. Yeah.

455
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: I don't think I was even aware of this one.

456
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was not on my radar either, but looking

457
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: it up, I mean it does sound fascinating, involves what

458
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: goblins and fire maidens, but I.

459
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 3: Think things falsely attributed to such.

460
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: I believe yes, because again has just noted it ends

461
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: up being a Scooby Doo reveal. But still, you know,

462
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 2: just the idea sometimes is more frightening than the reveal

463
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: or the reality. So depending on how it's presented in

464
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 2: the text, it might be rather compelling.

465
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Speaker 3: The wiki makes it look like one of the characters

466
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 3: has an attack owl. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, maybe I'll

467
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 3: have to take a look someday. All right, I'm going

468
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Speaker 3: to do one more message on the mining creatures. This

469
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Speaker 3: one comes from Rebecca. Rebecca says Hello. In twenty twenty four,

470
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Speaker 3: I visited the Rigna Mining experience in roscomm And, Ireland.

471
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: The Rigna mine was in the side of a hill,

472
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: so you didn't need to descend to just walk into

473
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: the old mine. The mind closed in nineteen ninety, but

474
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Speaker 3: there are still a few miners working as tour guides.

475
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Speaker 3: Listening to our guide relate his experiences was very interesting.

476
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Speaker 3: He mentioned that once a coal seam was exhausted, they

477
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 3: would pack it in with rock. Of course, they couldn't

478
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: ever pack it as tightly as it had been, so

479
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: you would hear the ground settling. It must have been

480
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: quite disconcerting. I would recommend visiting it if you're ever

481
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: in that part of the world. Thanks for the podcast, Rebecca,

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Rebecca. Yeah, this is a great thing to

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Speaker 3: point out, Like in addition to minds, of course, you know,

484
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 3: the underground tunnel version of minds being dark and having

485
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 3: strange sonic characteristics and all that, the changes that you

486
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: are physically making to the earth have to bring about

487
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: their own challenges to the psyche, both in terms of

488
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: just conceptually being aware of you know, that you're cutting

489
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: through the rock and how much rock is above you

490
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: and all that, but also yeah, when you're you know,

491
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: packing a bunch of rock into an emptied out seam

492
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: or something. Yeah, surely that makes some noises. I'm sure

493
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: that doesn't sound very good in the dark.

494
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, this is a great point.

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00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: Okay, we got a few more Halloween related things. You

496
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: want to take your pick, Rob.

497
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see. We heard from Scott here in response

498
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Speaker 2: to our Bone Collector's episodes subject line hyenas and lions

499
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: and bears. Oh my, Scott says, greetings all, I'm listening

500
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: to this to the discussion about cave hyenas in part

501
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: one of the bone collector's episode and remembered something I

502
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: read years ago, probably in a National Geographic article. Modern

503
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: day lions and the spotted hyena are natural enemies, so

504
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: much so that if a group of either animal encounters

505
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: the other, they will attack them on site. This behavior

506
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: is outside of attempting to steal food, defend their territory,

507
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: or protect their young. If the pack of hyenas come

508
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 2: across the solitary lion, they will immediately attack and kill

509
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: the lion, and vice versa. An interesting finding of the

510
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: article was that the outcome of the fight could be

511
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: accurately predicted by comparing the total weight of the groups,

512
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: rather than by the number of fighters. A single large,

513
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: powerful lion could defeat a number of quick, agile hyenas

514
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: until the number of hyaenas increased to where their total

515
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: weight exceeded that of the lion. I was reminded of

516
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: this when you talked about how the cave versions of hyenas, lions,

517
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: and bears all used the same caves. It occurred to

518
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: me that the same arithmetic might have been in play

519
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: back then. If a sufficient weight of lions arrived at

520
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: a cave occupied by a smaller total weight of hyaenas

521
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: the lions might say, nice cave, we'll take it. If

522
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: the lion pride didn't have the weight, though, they'd possibly

523
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: just move along. One of the things I like about

524
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: your podcast is how I get connections between new things

525
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: that I've learned in things that I'd learned previously. Thank you, Scott.

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00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: Interesting, Thank you Scott. To the extent that this is true,

527
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: I haven't verified this myself, but I mean, if the

528
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: weight balance and sing thing is true, how does that

529
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: work in the animal's brain, Like, how does the lion

530
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: or the hyena judge accurately? Okay, we've got enough mass

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Speaker 3: on our side to take down the other side, you know.

532
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean I could see where

533
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: some version of this would would certainly be be true

534
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: because we've talked about, you know, plenty of times before

535
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: about one of the defensive characteristics of various organisms is

536
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: of course, to make yourself appear bigger. And if you

537
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: accurately or if you say accurately communicate, if you effectively

538
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: communicate this even as a deception, you may convince the

539
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: other animal like the math is wrong. I can't take

540
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: this animal, or the attempt to take it is just

541
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: too risky and therefore I should move along.

542
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm going to do this one from Joe.

543
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: Joe says, Hey, Rob and Joe, Oh enjoyed the spooky

544
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: content this month. Watched Black Sunday with my wife and

545
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: loved the Bone Midden episodes as well. Nice hope you

546
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: both enjoyed Black Sunday. So, Joe says, I just heard

547
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 3: about another creature suitable for entry into your catalog of

548
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: abattoir keepers. The spectral bat. Now, that really does sound

549
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: like a creature from the D and D manual because

550
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: it sounds like it like phases in and out. It's

551
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: like a phase spider or something. But no, this is

552
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: a real animal, Joe says. Unlike your typical bat, which

553
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: is either a docile vegetarian or helpful insectivore, these bats

554
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: are true predators, with large bodies, ferocious faces, wolfish jaws,

555
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: and massive fangs that they used to kill their avian

556
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 3: bat and rodent prey and then carry them back to

557
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: their layers to eat at their leisure, discarding the inedible parts.

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00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: Below and Rabbi pulled in a collage of images of

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00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: this bat for you to look at in the outline

560
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: shocking looking jaws. I did not know there were bats

561
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: that had mouths that looked like this. It does have

562
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: werewolf face.

563
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: Joe attaches a link to a study of their diet

565
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: and behavior done by looking at the middens of bones

566
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Speaker 3: that they create, or bones and other hard parts that

567
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: they create. Joe says, I thought you'd like to hear

568
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: about these guys because they really feel like they flapped

569
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: out of the monster manual. This is a bat with

570
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: a challenge rating. These are the bats that other bats

571
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: tell scary stories about when the nights grow long and dark.

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00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: Thanks again and happy Halloween, Joe. And then I want

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00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: to note the study that Joe linked to. It was

574
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Speaker 3: a paper published in the Journal of Mammalogy in nineteen

575
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: seventy seven called Observations on the Foraging Behavior and avan

576
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: Prey of the Neotropical carnivorous Bat Vimpyrum spectrum. This is

577
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: by Sandra verencamp F, Gary Styles, and Jack W. Bradbury.

578
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: And so the authors of this paper were trying to

579
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Speaker 3: study the foraging behavior of vectral bat by looking by

580
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: using some radio tracking, by watching their roosts in the evening,

581
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: and then finally by a quote a systematic collection of

582
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: the prey parts found in the bottom of a roost

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00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: containing five bats. Quote. Of the eighteen species, about eighty

584
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: six individuals identified most. And this is talking about the

585
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Speaker 3: prey species. The remains they found most were common residents

586
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: of the tropical dry deciduous forest. Non passerines were significantly

587
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: preferred over passerines. Vampireum appeared to select birds which way

588
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: between twenty and one hundred and fifty grams, sleep in

589
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: foliage rather than in holes or burrows, and either roost

590
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: communally or have a strong body odor. It appears that

591
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: the bats locate their avian prey by scent rather than

592
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 3: by vision or echolocation. So these are going to be

593
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: wolfjaw bats out there hunting for birds to eat in

594
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: the foliage at night, birds that might sleep among the

595
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: leaves rather than in a tight, little protected roost. And yeah,

596
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: especially smelly birds are going to be the ones that

597
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: are easiest for them to find.

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00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: Excellent, Yes, quite a specimen here, you know. I had

599
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 2: bats on the brain a little bit over the weekend,

600
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: which being Halloween weekend, that's not completely out of the ordinary,

601
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: but I was driving my kid and one of their

602
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: friends somewhere in the car, and so we put on

603
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: an episode of Ali Ward's Homologies, and in it she

604
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: was interviewing the world famous bat researcher Merlin Tuttle, and

605
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: it was just a really fun chat about bats. So

606
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: I recommend that one passed that on to our listeners

607
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: as well.

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00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: Great, all right, now we have some more responses to

609
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: Halloween episodes, but there were a few other messages we

610
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 3: wanted to fit in today, so we're going to save

611
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: the rest of the Halloween stuff for next time. We'll

612
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 3: probably do another listener within the next couple of weeks,

613
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: but yeah, for now, we're going to skip back to

614
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Speaker 3: some responses to our Giant Clam episode.

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00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: Right, that's right, we heard from Chris. Chris wrote in

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00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: and said, good day, Robert, Joe and JJA. Listening to

617
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: the most recent episode, Jaws of the Giant Clam, I

618
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: couldn't help but notice the overlap between the story you

619
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: mentioned about the giant clam and the canoe from the

620
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: Tahitian and includes a question mark herett legend, and the

621
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Speaker 2: storyline in Mwana II when the traveling party encounters a

622
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: giant clam the size of an island, they end up

623
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: inside the clam, and the events that ensue are vital

624
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: to the rest of the story. Here's a quick link

625
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: to a page about it, but i'd suggest just taking

626
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: a quick watch of that section of the film and

627
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: see how it's portrayed. Thanks as always for your fantastic episodes.

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00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was the one who brought up the

629
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Speaker 3: folklore about the giant clam that sometimes appears in the

630
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: tales of the Polynesian folk hero Rata. The specific version

631
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: of the story that I was talking about was a

632
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 3: to Amoto On telling, but yeah, this kind of encounter

633
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: pops up in multiple versions throughout these Polynesian folk tales,

634
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 3: so that's what I was talking about. But this is

635
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 3: a great connection because I have not seen Moana or

636
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: Moana Too, but I clicked through here and yeah, it

637
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: looks like there is there's a giant like almost like

638
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: skyscraper sized.

639
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it does have the correct it's it's

640
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: position vertically as opposed to horizontally, which is more accurate.

641
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah. Nice.

642
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen Moana too, I've only seen the

643
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: first one. But yeah, the images of this look really

644
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: really fascinating, So maybe I should give it a fewing.

645
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: I'm just taking a look at it. I see. I

646
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: love how you can see the little the little eyes. Yes,

647
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 3: flesh there, Yeah, that's nice.

648
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely and certainly the yeah then interior, that mantle of

649
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: flesh is very vibrant, as it should be. So they

650
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: definitely did their own work a bit and paid attention,

651
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: and then you know, also applyed a fair amount of

652
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: creativity in creating this. Now, I want to use this

653
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: as a springboard to mention something that I learned about

654
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: recently after our Giant clam episode came out. I mentioned

655
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: earlier in this episode that my family and I visited

656
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: Vancouver and we went to the Museum of Anthropology at

657
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: UBC and there was so much to learn there. Again,

658
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: fabulous museum, but specifically I learned about a belief among

659
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: the Hata people about the raven and the first Men.

660
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: And basically the story goes that the first people are

661
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: found in a giant clamshell by the great Raven after

662
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: a tremendous flood, you know, some sort of a great flood,

663
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: and so the little people are in there naked, cowering

664
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: for shelter and cover from this great bird that's inspecting them.

665
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 2: But the bird, the Great Raven, is also a little

666
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: bit of a trickster, but also not a cannibal bird

667
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: or anything, you know, not a man eater. So what

668
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: he does is he coaxes them out with his tongue

669
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: and it convinces them you can get out of there.

670
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: You can't cower in that shell forever. And so they

671
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: climb out of the shell and they become the first people.

672
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: So it's a tremendous little story. And there's an amazing

673
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: sculpture in the museum that I believe was unveiled in

674
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty by hay To artist Bill Reid. I included

675
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: a photograph of this sculpture here for you, Joe, though

676
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: in this image you don't really get a sense of

677
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: the scale of the piece because it's the central piece

678
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: in this special room and you kind of like look

679
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: up at it and you walk around it. I was

680
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: very impressed.

681
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, looks amazing, though, I would love to see this

682
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 3: in person. So you can see all the people inside

683
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: the shells, they're you know, peeking out, and you can

684
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: see several different bodies in there, and then the bird

685
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 3: with like sort of huddled over with its wings forming shroud.

686
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you also see a butt or two poking

687
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: out because the people are cowering in there.

688
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, jumbled always inside, all right. One more message about

689
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: giant clams. This comes from Lawrence a subject line Batman

690
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 3: versus Giant Clam. Hey, guys, just finish listening to your

691
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 3: Giant Clam episode. And I thought you might like to

692
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: know that Superman isn't the only DC hero to have

693
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 3: a run in with a giant clam. Seems the Joker

694
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: tried to finish off the Dynamic duo with one in

695
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 3: the Cliffhanger episode or the Cliffhang Cliffhanger ending of an

696
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 3: episode of the Adam West Batman series. Here's a link

697
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: to a clip of the escape, and then Lawrence provides

698
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: a clip. I went and looked at it. I see

699
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: Batman and some lady are in this wet room and

700
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: I think Robin has already been swallowed by a giant

701
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: clam and Batman has to pry the jaws open, and

702
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: it's just like the Superman thing. It's like, Wow, you know,

703
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: only a superhero could could get these these things apart.

704
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, how rop and get in there? To begin with

705
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: a lot of.

706
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: Questions lost and Nickel when in there looking for it. Yeah,

707
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: all right, let's see Rob. Do you want to finish

708
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: off by doing a couple of responses about weird house cinema?

709
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, let's do some weird house cinema.

710
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 3: Take your pick.

711
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: All right, this one comes to us. Oh, this one's

712
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: from Rob, but not from me. This is a different Rob.

713
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 2: There are a lot of us.

714
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: And also I'm not the Joe who wrote the Joe

715
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 3: messages today.

716
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are there Joe's and Robs out there, and

717
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: sometimes they know each other too. Anyway, this one says, Hello, Robin, Joe,

718
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: your call out for suggestions. This would be suggestions for

719
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: things we could watch during October, including potential weird house

720
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 2: cinema selections. Your call out for suggestions included a thematic

721
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: preference that likely precludes my suggestion, But I expect that

722
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: you both enjoy it, even if it doesn't fit on

723
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: a weird House episode. If you have not had the

724
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: pleasure of watching Over the Guard Wall, I cannot recommend

725
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: it strongly enough. It's an animated ten episode mini series

726
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: featuring some big name voice actors. Despite the talent, it

727
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: has flown under the radar for virtually everyone I've spoken

728
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: to about this wonderful series. It's an annual watch in

729
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: my household, and my daughter in university comes home for

730
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: a weekend so we can all watch it. It's a

731
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: family friendly, wholesome, slightly creepy, fully weird viewing adventure that

732
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: is now a part of my family's cultural DNA. I

733
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: wish you the best. Thank you for your passion and

734
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: dedication to blowing the minds off your listeners. Cheers Rob.

735
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: Oh well, Rob, I'm glad you mentioned Over the Garden Wall.

736
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: Here in my household, we are also big fans of

737
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: Over the Garden Wall. We just finished a complete rewatch

738
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 2: of the full ten episode series. In the past, we've

739
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: just rewatched a few choice episodes here and there, but

740
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: we finally returned and took in the whole storyline. A

741
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: tremendous show. We love everything about it, and in fact,

742
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 2: my wife and I went as the two characters weret

743
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: and Greg for Halloween this year, so I was Wort

744
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: and she was Greg, and not everybody knew who we were.

745
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: Some people thought I was a gnome, but the people

746
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: who got it really got it and were excited for it.

747
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: So you sent me some pictures of your family Halloween costumes,

748
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: and it was adorable. I also actually am not familiar

749
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: with Over the Garden Wall. I think somebody has written

750
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: in about this before, so I think it's come up

751
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: in a past listener mail some time ago. But yeah,

752
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: I've never seen it, so I didn't recognize what these

753
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: costumes were. So I was like googling the characteristics of

754
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: the photos you sent me trying to figure out what

755
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 3: it was. Once I did, I was like, oh, okay,

756
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: but yeah, y'all looked great. It looked like a really

757
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: fun family Halloween.

758
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a tremendous show. And as Rob mentioned here,

759
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: it has flown under the radar for a lot of people,

760
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: but it has in the process taken on this cult

761
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: like following. You know, it's something new for people to

762
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: discover every year. Oh and while I'm at it, I'll

763
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: go ahead and mention it just happens to be the

764
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: case that already made this decision. But this week's Monster Fact,

765
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: we'll cover something from Over the Garden Wall. So Over

766
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: the Garden Wall fans tune in.

767
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: Oh, here's a funny one from Jonas addressing something that

768
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: I don't remember. If we if we did. But Jonas says,

769
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: dear Joe and Robert, I am writing to you about

770
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: two times recently when you called a couple of our

771
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: beloved Swedish national heroes Swiss. So Jonas mentions britt Ekland

772
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: of the Wicker Man and says, britt Ekland is Swedish,

773
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: not Swiss. The same is true of old Carl Linnaeus. Jonas,

774
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: I truly cannot remember when we called britt Ekland or

775
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 3: Carl Lineus Swiss. But if that passed through my lips,

776
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I did not mean to say that. That

777
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: was not the impression I had about either one.

778
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: It might have been me. And because I did go

779
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: back and and applied some corrections to a couple of episodes,

780
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: I believe, so, just a slip of the tongue there.

781
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, so thank you for the correction, Jonas. And yeah,

782
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 3: of course corrections always welcome, folks, if we have a

783
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: slip up of that kind.

784
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we can always go back in and generally

785
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: correct it, which is of course essential if we're going

786
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: to rerun an episode later in the future.

787
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also I should add on here Jonas asks us

788
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: to do an episode on the subject of religion, answering

789
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: the big questions such as what is it, where did

790
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 3: it come from? Things like that. This is a subject

791
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: so large and fundamental. I don't think we're ever going

792
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: to do that as an episode in itself, but of

793
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: course this will come up tangentially and discussing all kinds

794
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: of other topics. So it's definitely always on our mind.

795
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: If you listen to us, you probably know we both

796
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 3: are big. We are very interesting religion.

797
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we tend to be a bit more I

798
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: guess granular in our approach these days and these sorts

799
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: of topics. So I would say in general, just anytime

800
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: you see a topic that is related to religion or

801
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 2: could potentially be related to religion, will probably go there

802
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: to some degree.

803
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

804
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: All right, here's one last one to close out the episode.

805
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: This one comes to us from Luisa, subject spiritual successor

806
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: to Wickerman. She says, Hi, guys, I hope Halloween season

807
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: was as weird and rewarding as you like it to be.

808
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: The following idea has been going around in my head

809
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: ever since the Wickerman episode on Weird House. Maybe the

810
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: true spiritual child of that classic movie is not the

811
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: horrible remake, but what I find to be a nice

812
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: recipient of the spookiness of the original Midsummer think about it,

813
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: a whole town in on the rituals, however, Macague people

814
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 2: from outside trying to make sense of it all, gorgeous cinematography,

815
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 2: vivid colors, and at the end, acceptance of what should

816
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: not feel as right as it actually does. Please tell

817
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: me if I'm way off base. As always, thank you

818
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: for your podcast. I must confess I will not be reading.

819
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: I have no mouth and I'm a scream however much

820
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: it sounds fascinating.

821
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: Best regards, please, thank you, Luisa. Yeah, great recommendation. You know,

822
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 3: we usually do older films. I mean, we don't have

823
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: a rule against doing more recent films. We tend to

824
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: do older movies. But yeah, that one, I'm absolutely on

825
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 3: the same page with you about it being in many

826
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 3: ways a spiritual grandchild of the Wickerman. Yeah, it feels

827
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 3: absolutely like that, And I see exactly what you're talking

828
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 3: about about the ending, the acceptance of what should not

829
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 3: feel right as it actually does feel as right as

830
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: it actually does. I was thinking about both of the

831
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 3: big ari astor horror movies that I've seen have this

832
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: great feeling of like an ending that is terrible and

833
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 3: horrible bowl but feels great or I don't know, I

834
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: don't know if it feels great but has an exultant

835
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: quality about it.

836
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 2: Hmm. Yeah, I haven't seen it, so I can't speak

837
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: to it, and I don't think I've seen either of

838
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 2: his films. Actually, with Midsommer, we've received recommendations regarding it

839
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: numerous times. For a weird house. I'm always just turned

840
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: off because, like, the lady on this is so silly,

841
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 2: I'm sure, But the lady on the posters crying and

842
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: she seems very unhappy, and I'm like, I don't know

843
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: if I want to watch this. She seems very unhappy

844
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 2: about it. Am I going to be unhappy about it?

845
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

846
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: You're going to have a mix of extreme emotions. There

847
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: are some very very unhappy things in the movie.

848
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I want

849
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: extreme emotions.

850
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: But it's also really interesting.

851
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I've been hearing great things about it. I'm

852
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: catching up a little bit. Over Halloween, my wife and

853
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: I watched a pair of move movies that that we'd

854
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 2: heard good things about. We watched Weapons, which everyone loves

855
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: and I haven't seen it. Oh, you haven't seen Weapons?

856
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 2: Weapons is great?

857
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: Bye? Is it by the people who made Barbarian? Yes?

858
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, same same creator, h same writer, director, And I

859
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 2: haven't seen Barbarian yet because I was I was kind

860
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: of like, I was concerned that it would be too

861
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: real world. People said it was great and that I

862
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: should see it, and I just haven't gotten to it yet.

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Speaker 2: But then I was like, Okay, we'll give Weapons a go.

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Speaker 2: Too many people are saying it's tremendous, uh, and I

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Speaker 2: really enjoyed it. Don't let anybody tell you anything about it. Luckily,

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Speaker 2: the promotion of the film I think has largely avoided spoilers.

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Speaker 2: But it's a lot of fun. And then because one

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Speaker 2: of my kids friends was dressed as the title character

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Speaker 2: from it, we watched Megan the three again. Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: watched him three again and in a in a different way.

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Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun as well.

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Speaker 3: Dude, I love him three agin. It was I think

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Speaker 3: Reagan's awesome.

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Speaker 2: I heard it described as it's Chucky meets Terminator with

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Speaker 2: a you know, like with a dash of like not

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Speaker 2: too deep modern AI robotics consideration, and it makes for

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Speaker 2: a fun film.

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Speaker 3: I like that style of just a hog wild, care

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Speaker 3: free sci fi horror movie with a sense of humor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed it, and I'm I'm interested in

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Speaker 2: watching the sequel.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: My wife is on board for it. But the trailer

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Speaker 2: for the sequel looks looks pretty wild.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we're gonna watch it. Yeah. Rachel loved the original

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Speaker 3: in threegan two. Yeah, we've seen it more than once.

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Speaker 3: The sequel looks like maybe it goes into like it

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Speaker 3: maybe goes a little Kaishu or maybe even a little

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Speaker 3: Grimlins too. I can't tell, but it does look like

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Speaker 3: one of those sequels where at least the filmmakers were

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Speaker 3: asking the right questions, like what can we do that's different?

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Speaker 2: Where do we go from here? Not just another scoopa

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Speaker 2: iyce tream? But you know, I'm more on top and

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Speaker 2: maybe it falls, but I don't know, but the trailer

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Speaker 2: looks intriguing.

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Speaker 3: Maybe next year for Halloween I'll bem three again. I

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Speaker 3: would like that.

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