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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: Congressman Andy Kim tells us about his Senate run and

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Speaker 1: the bizarre New Jersey ballad structure that allows party insiders

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Speaker 1: and my personal bestie Jim Acosta about the media failures

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Speaker 1: covering the twenty twenty four election. But first we have

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Speaker 1: former Vermont governor and presidential candidate Howard Dean. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics, Howard Dean, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: This is always light.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: So I can't take another conversation about polls. Make us

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Speaker 1: all understand how insane and stupid this whole thing is.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I can. I try not to pay

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Speaker 3: too much attention to the polls because one of the

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Speaker 3: problems is that the media engages in clickbait and that's

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Speaker 3: about it, and that's always been the case. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I can remember finding that out when I ran for

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Speaker 3: president myself. It's all clickbait, it's not news. It's a

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Speaker 3: problem because the so called low information voters are basically

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Speaker 3: all cranked up. This is the only thing good Trump

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Speaker 3: is good at. I mean, basically, the Republicans are running

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Speaker 3: on a platform that can be summed up in two words,

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Speaker 3: think about the issues. It's amazing what the public doesn't know.

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Speaker 3: Part of it is because the press doesn't focus on

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Speaker 1: I think about Biden's Inflation Reduction Act, right, and how

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Speaker 1: a lot of economists would the exception of Paul Krukman.

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Speaker 2: Basically, we're like, this is going to be a recession.

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Speaker 1: Even we have a very smart guy called Justin Wolfer's

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Speaker 1: you know, you don't know, he was bullish, but even

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Speaker 1: And the reason we didn't have it was because of

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Speaker 1: bold legislative infusions to our government, to our manufacturing sectors,

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Speaker 1: through the Inflation Reduction Act, which actually reduced inflation.

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Speaker 3: And furthermore, most of the investments in the Inflation Reduction

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Speaker 3: who are Trumpists. Yeah, a lot of money went into

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Speaker 3: rural areas, rekindling factories to make chips and cars, electric

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Speaker 3: I think the country is at great risk and they

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me because, like so much of Trump's

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Speaker 1: message in twenty sixteen was this economic populism, which I

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Speaker 1: it still doesn't make any financial sense. But he had

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Speaker 1: this message of economic populism. Meanwhile, fastward, Joe Biden delivers

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: He does these things.

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Speaker 1: You know, he brings chip manufacturing back to the Middle West,

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Speaker 3: It's all the liberal elite and the college educated people

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Speaker 3: And of course he never does. It is the same

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Speaker 1: It's sort of the last rebellion, the backlash of a

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Speaker 1: multi racial democracy. Right, We've never had a multi racial democracy. Theoretically,

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Speaker 1: The math on that, like, there may be white men

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Speaker 3: It's not what it's about. It's not about the economy.

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Speaker 3: It's about their economy to a certain extent. But what

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Speaker 3: They've seen women get more rights than they used to have.

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Speaker 3: in the sense that it's the loss of white privilege.

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Speaker 3: But it's more than that.

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Speaker 4: It's an absolution.

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Speaker 3: It's a giving up on making progress or redefining what

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Speaker 3: And that's because they benefit from the system. What all

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Speaker 4: But he's really really good at this.

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Speaker 3: It does remind me of a story of aut Alf Hitler,

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately it ended up with a holocaust.

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Speaker 3: And I think they're a fair number of people in

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Speaker 3: How about the guy who got up at Seapack and said,

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Speaker 3: welcome to the end of democracy. And that is for

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Speaker 3: reasonable political dialogue in the United States of America. I

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Speaker 3: don't think so. So this election really is about the

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Speaker 3: survival of the United States of America as a world power.

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Speaker 3: And if we know people think, oh, it's great not

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Speaker 3: If it isn't, we don't get away with a thirty

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Speaker 2: It's interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're a doctor and you've done a lot

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is going to bite Republicans, and so is

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Speaker 3: the right wing partisan Supreme Court is going to bite

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Speaker 3: It'll just get worse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But there have been like some kind of like

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Speaker 1: it a partisan issue. But I mean, these policies are

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Speaker 1: Like people don't want to give up Obamacare.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to give up Obamacare, and they certainly

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Speaker 3: they're certainly not. I finally turned the volume down on

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Speaker 3: white Christian nationalism, which is incredibly sexist. If you read

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Speaker 3: who's going in charge of HHS if Donald Trump wins.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, like even if you look at

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Speaker 1: the Department of Life.

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Speaker 3: I mean, HEREDAGE used to be a respectable organization and

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Speaker 3: when that guy Dement took over, it became just another

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Speaker 2: If you're in.

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Speaker 1: Andy Kim represents New Jersey's third congressional district and as

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me back. We always want to

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Speaker 1: When we had you the first time, you had just

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Speaker 2: I think that's a very generous way to put it.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about where you are right now in

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Speaker 5: Yeah, happy to I mean, as you said, you know,

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Speaker 5: That that means that we have to give the people

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Speaker 5: So discuss yeah right now. You know, in New Jersey

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Speaker 5: because of gallet design manipulation that my own party leaders

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Speaker 5: and the Democratic Party are leading the charge on. So

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Speaker 5: you know, that's why you know, I've been pushing on this,

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Speaker 5: and in fact, I just filed a lawsuit in New Jersey.

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Speaker 5: It was not something that you know, I took that

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Speaker 5: very seriously. You know, make that decision, but this has

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Speaker 5: to end now, you know, it's just such a broken system.

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Speaker 5: All I'm asking for is air. I'm not asking for

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Speaker 5: any advantage myself. I'm just being asked to be a

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Speaker 5: place in a position where I can have some fairness

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Speaker 5: here and forty nine other states do this, New Jersey's

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Speaker 5: the only one that does this differently, you know that

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Speaker 5: should say something, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I think what's so interesting about this problem

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Speaker 1: is that you have a Republican party that is doing

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Speaker 1: this kind of thing on the regular. This is one

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Speaker 1: of the very few cases where you have a democratic

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Speaker 1: party doing but you are running for a seat of

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Speaker 1: someone who is in serious legal trouble for corruption.

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Speaker 2: Right like, So, if there ever were.

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Speaker 1: A time to be above board about everything, this is it.

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Speaker 5: And I think that that's why the people in New

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Speaker 5: Jersey are not standing for There's been a big backlash,

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Speaker 5: and I think that the party elites and the machine

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Speaker 5: weren't prepared for this backlash. But it's because of exactly

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Speaker 5: what you said. Just you know that on the heels

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Speaker 5: of this indictment of the senator regarding gold bars and

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Speaker 5: wads of cash, it's the same system that protected the

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Speaker 5: senator that is now trying to install and coordinate the

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Speaker 5: first lady to be the next senator. So it's the

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Speaker 5: same thing, you know, the same few handful of people.

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Speaker 5: And I think that that's what's bothering so many people

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Speaker 5: is just saying like, look, we can't have the same

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Speaker 5: sable politics, like something hasn't changed.

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Speaker 2: And in fact, if.

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Speaker 5: The Democratic Party does not change, I actually I worry

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Speaker 5: about our ability to be able to hold this Senate

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Speaker 5: seat this November. I can tell you the independent voters

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Speaker 5: in New Jersey are furious right now. They had concerns

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Speaker 5: about the Democratic Party after this indictment of the senator,

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Speaker 5: and now they're watching the Democratic Party, you know, just

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Speaker 5: blatantly trying to push the first lady into a Senate

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Speaker 5: position without a fair contest. You know, that's going to

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Speaker 5: really hurt our standing with independence, and that's going to

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Speaker 5: hurt our ability to hold the seat. And with a

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Speaker 5: razor thin majority in the Senate and a tough election cycle,

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Speaker 5: the last thing with the Democratic Party needs is a

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Speaker 5: potentially vulnerable seat in the Senate here in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting to me about this is one

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Speaker 1: of the things I think Democrats have done really wow,

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Speaker 1: and not even Democrats.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that I think Biden.

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Speaker 1: World has done well is they picked up He's managed

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Speaker 1: to pick up all the never Trump Republicans, and you

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Speaker 1: know he's done it by saying, you know, you may

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Speaker 1: not like some of the social spending, you may not

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Speaker 1: like my larger you know, I mean if you look

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Speaker 1: at the manufacturing stuff. Though. The point is he's been

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Speaker 1: able to really appeal to those voters. There are a

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Speaker 1: lot of those voters in New Jersey. Talk to me

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Speaker 1: about what your state sort of looks like and what

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Speaker 1: your voter base looks like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look in New Jersey the plurality of voters

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Speaker 5: or unaffiliated voters, independent voters, so you know, that's really

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Speaker 5: what you have to engage.

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Speaker 2: These are people that are unaffiliated for a reason.

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Speaker 5: And I know this because you know, I'm a Democrat

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Speaker 5: that wanted district from twice. What I've come to learn

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Speaker 5: in my experience of winning three tough races is that,

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Speaker 5: you know, my district is often called this battleground district,

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Speaker 5: and it may just sound like it's like a Blue

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Speaker 5: army versus the Red Army duking it out every day.

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Speaker 5: But what I learned is that in my district, and

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Speaker 5: frankly across New Jersey, a lot of people are frankly

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Speaker 5: suspicious and frustrate with both pardons. That's why we have

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Speaker 5: to show that we can restore trust and integrity to

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Speaker 5: our politics. That's what I am running on because here

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Speaker 5: in New Jersey, eighty four percent of people surveyed in

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Speaker 5: New Jersey believe that their politicians are corrupt eighty four percent.

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Speaker 5: And look, I mean this is a state where the

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Speaker 5: majority of politicians are Democrats. So that shows what people

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Speaker 5: feel about Democrats right now here. So if we don't

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Speaker 5: show that we're changing and don't show that we're trying

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Speaker 5: to restore trust and integrity, the independent voters are not

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Speaker 5: going to stand for I mean, we saw with you know, government,

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Speaker 5: Murphy only won re election by you know, a handful

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Speaker 5: of points. I think it was three points reelection a

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Speaker 5: couple of years ago. This is something where you know,

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Speaker 5: you cannot take things for granted. And I feel like

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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party elites are playing with fire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree, Say you win this primary. How

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Speaker 1: are you different than Tammy Murphy?

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Speaker 5: Well, a couple different reasons. First of all, I have

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Speaker 5: experience of working in Congress, of actually working there at

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Speaker 5: the Capitol you know, I can be somebody that is

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Speaker 5: ready day one. You know, I don't need any on

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Speaker 5: the job training. I'm ready for things. And right now

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Speaker 5: the world is on fire. There's so many crises and conflicts.

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Speaker 5: I'm the only career diplomatic congress right now in the

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Speaker 5: House of the Senate. I can be somebody that can

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Speaker 5: step in and try to use that experience. I haven't

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Speaker 5: been on the ground, working in war zones and working

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Speaker 5: at the White House in the State Department to try

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Speaker 5: to help.

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Speaker 2: I can be somebody that you know already understands.

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Speaker 5: You know, how to be able to navigate the legislative process,

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Speaker 5: you know, and that's allowed me to you know, push

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Speaker 5: forward on key issues. You know, for instance, understanding why

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Speaker 5: we need philibuster reform to be able to get the

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Speaker 5: things that we need passed in the Senate. Whereas you know,

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Speaker 5: the First Lady of New Jersey, she's called the filibuster

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Speaker 5: a useful tool. I completely disagree, and so you know,

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Speaker 5: those are some differences on that front that but look

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Speaker 5: on the other at the other angle too, I think

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Speaker 5: that there's a hunger right now in my state and

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Speaker 5: throughout this country for a new generation of leadership to

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Speaker 5: step up, and I will be the fourth youngest senator

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Speaker 5: in the nation. I would be the first Asian American

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Speaker 5: ever elected to the US Senate from the entire East

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Speaker 5: coast of America. And you know, I think that, you know,

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Speaker 5: I think people are excited about, you know, having younger

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Speaker 5: voices be able to come up, and certainly for the

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Speaker 5: Democratic Party to build out their bench and be able

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Speaker 5: to have more diverse, younger leaders that are there showing

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Speaker 5: what the future of the party is. And the fact

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Speaker 5: that you know, again, I've been a Democrat that can

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Speaker 5: win a district Trump one twice. I have a lot

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Speaker 5: to offer to the party about how we try to

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Speaker 5: build out a wider and stronger coalition that can help

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Speaker 5: us build a durable majority going forward. And so, you know,

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Speaker 5: those are the things that you know, I hope voters

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Speaker 5: see in me as someone who can try to fight

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Speaker 5: those fights and make the party stronger and help fix

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Speaker 5: and heal our democracy at such a critical point in

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Speaker 5: our nation's history.

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Speaker 1: As we're looking down this election, tell me what you

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Speaker 1: can do now to get your name on the ballot?

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Speaker 2: Is there a process here?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 4: Right now?

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Speaker 5: A A couple of efforts which is first of all,

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Speaker 5: like I will be on the ballot and June fourth,

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Speaker 5: and what I need to do is make sure that

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Speaker 5: we are raising the resources and building the kind of

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Speaker 5: campaign that we need to to be able to get mine,

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Speaker 5: you know, making my name out there, to have people

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Speaker 5: understand that there's a choice. You know, the last thing

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Speaker 5: I want are people showing up on June fourth at

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Speaker 5: the primary and be unaware that there's a competitive senate race.

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Speaker 5: You know, I need people to be able to walk

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Speaker 5: in there knowing that there is a center race, hopefully

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Speaker 5: knowing my name and knowing something about me. So you know,

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Speaker 5: that's what I'm pushing on, and that people want to

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Speaker 5: help out. You know, they can go to Andy Kim

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Speaker 5: dot com and beyond that. You know, right now we

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Speaker 5: are building up, you know, a grassroots army. Right now,

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Speaker 5: this is going to be the largest grassroots mobilization for

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Speaker 5: any primary, statewide prime in our state's history. We're building

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Speaker 5: up something incredible, and you know, we need people that

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Speaker 5: are willing to knock doors or make text calls and

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Speaker 5: other things like that that are helpful to get.

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Speaker 2: The word out right now.

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Speaker 5: You know, those are the types of things that we're

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Speaker 5: pushing on, and I do believe that if we can

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Speaker 5: pull that together and raise the resources and run the

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Speaker 5: campaign that we need to, that we.

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Speaker 2: Can win this.

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Speaker 5: We can overcome what obstacles the machine politics are throwing

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Speaker 5: in by way, and I think people recognize this is

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Speaker 5: a potentially historic collection for our state to finally be

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Speaker 5: able to have a real democracy here that is going

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Speaker 5: to be based on fairness, going to allow people to

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Speaker 5: be able to vote the way they want.

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Speaker 2: One thing I've learned as they've gone around the stated

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Speaker 2: people in New Jersey don't want to be.

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Speaker 5: Told to the They despise that, and I think right

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Speaker 5: now we're seeing that come to ahead. You know, I'm

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Speaker 5: hopeful that people will stand up for their own voice

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Speaker 5: in our democracy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Andy Kim. I really appreciate you well.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for letting me let me talk about this race.

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Speaker 5: It's certainly an extremely dramatic and crazy race, but it's

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Speaker 5: one that I think really gets to this question. And

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Speaker 5: you know, I was there with Joe Biden when he

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Speaker 5: gave a speech about January sixth earlier this year, and

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Speaker 5: he said, we know who Donald Trump is, but who

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Speaker 5: are we? And I think that question, who are we

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Speaker 5: and who is the Democratic Party? Who are we as Democrats?

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Speaker 5: Like that is important and I think that this race

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Speaker 5: both in terms of it being about you know, Senator

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Speaker 5: Menendez and his indictments and allegations of corruption, and then

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Speaker 5: now this issue as you raised about the First Lady

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Speaker 5: and nepotism and about machine politics, the question is who

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Speaker 5: are we as Democrats? I hope that we show that

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Speaker 5: better than what we're seeing right now in New Jersey.

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Speaker 5: I believe that, and that's why I'm running. But I

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Speaker 5: really do think that kind of gets at the heart

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Speaker 5: of this question of like what is the soul of

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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party?

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Speaker 4: Who are we? What do we stand for?

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Speaker 5: And then that's why I think it's been a race

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Speaker 5: that has captivated a lot of people, not just in

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Speaker 5: New Jersey but across his country. And I hope people

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Speaker 5: see the importance of us standing up and showing who

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Speaker 5: we are because I think it'll have major implications for

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Speaker 5: our abilities to be able to win elections going forward.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Andy m Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Jim Acosta is the host of CNN Newsroom with Jim

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Speaker 1: Acosta every weekdays at ten am eest at CNN.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast politics. How weird is this I'm hosting you. Welcome,

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Speaker 2: Jim Acosta.

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Speaker 3: Wow, this is cool. This is like news inception or something.

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Speaker 2: It's right, we're through the mirror, through the looking glass.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you because, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I love to go on your show.

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Speaker 2: I can't go on your show at this moment. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: somedayon I can give it up, hope.

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Speaker 1: But I'm very excited about your move to every day.

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Speaker 1: So talk to us about your new time slot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So now it's Monday through Friday at ten am Easter

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Speaker 6: and a seven am on the West. I'm wapping about

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Speaker 6: so people waking up on the West coast you can

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Speaker 6: tune it in and you can change your viewing on this.

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Speaker 4: It's great.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know the weekend thing where you know

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Speaker 6: you are on about the debt right that much. But

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Speaker 6: you know we're able to do all these interviews. We

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Speaker 6: could give them time.

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Speaker 3: You know, we did breaking news, a lot of politics,

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Speaker 3: and this is going to be a little bit different.

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Speaker 3: I have one hour now, so I have to really

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Speaker 3: you know, compress, and the segments aren't quite as long.

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Speaker 3: But we're going to try to keep it conversational, like

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Speaker 3: we're going to try to take the good stuff from

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Speaker 3: the weekend and bring it on to the morning showed

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Speaker 3: during the weekend, hope people to tune in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was hoping you could talk about like there's

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Speaker 1: something very cool about being able to do the news

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Speaker 1: every day though absolutely.

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Speaker 6: For example, I mean this this week, we've been doing

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Speaker 6: binary stuff and the results from that. This morning, we

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Speaker 6: had the situation in Gaza. I mean, it was just

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Speaker 6: breaking news happening during our program, and Biden went out

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Speaker 6: on the South lawn on his way to the border

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Speaker 6: and he made a comment about it. So we're jumping

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Speaker 6: around in sort of news whackable. We're moving from one

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Speaker 6: news story to the next, and it's going to be

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Speaker 6: fast moving. But at the same time, you know, emphasis

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Speaker 6: on my part, I'm really trying to preserve the those conversations,

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Speaker 6: those interviews that we can kind of get it beyond

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Speaker 6: the headlines a little bit. As you and I have

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Speaker 6: talked about so many times, don't talk about the horse race,

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Speaker 6: talk about the stakes, don't just talk about the polls,

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Speaker 6: talk about the chow bases, and like try to get

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Speaker 6: people something a little little meeting as they're getting these headlines.

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Speaker 4: I'm hoping we're doing it.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're back to this crazy news cycle of

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Speaker 1: just like endless news that it does make it very

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Speaker 1: hard to cover it. But let's talk for a minute

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Speaker 1: about like stakes versus odds, because that is something you

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Speaker 1: and I are both like really passionate about, this idea

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Speaker 1: that the way you cover news is as important as

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Speaker 1: what you cover, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean absolutely.

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Speaker 6: One of the things, and you and I've talked about

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Speaker 6: this gazillion times, is that we have this extremely important election.

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Speaker 6: I know it's a cliche for everybody to say this

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Speaker 6: is the most important election of our lifetime, but I

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Speaker 6: think this time we can really say it and mean it.

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Speaker 6: I come from the experience of having covered the White

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Speaker 6: House during the Trump years.

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Speaker 2: We saw how administration ended.

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Speaker 6: I actually flew on Air Force one with Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: when he went down to West Palm Beach and was

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Speaker 6: done with being the President of the United States.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I was with them on that.

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Speaker 3: Final day, and one of the things that I said

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Speaker 3: to my colleagues is that, Okay, Trump may be gone,

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Speaker 3: but trump Ism todays it remains. It's not going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what we are now seeing lay

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Speaker 3: out at this very moment. Not only is Trump backed,

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Speaker 3: but trump Ism is back on steroids, and it's filtered

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Speaker 3: down into our politics to just about every level. And

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Speaker 3: it's something that we're going to all have.

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Speaker 6: To contend with in the months to god, I mean, disinformation, democracy,

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Speaker 6: I mean, these are all the issues we're going to

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Speaker 6: be talking about from here until November.

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Speaker 1: I think back to those salid days of January twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one. Do you think we were all too naive

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Speaker 1: the fact that so many of us thought that, including

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Speaker 1: people like Mitch McConnell, thought that Trumpism would resolve itself.

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Speaker 4: I think so.

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Speaker 3: And honestly, I mean, I've looked at this gazillion different way.

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Speaker 3: I did this when I covered the White House.

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Speaker 6: Some of this is a coping mechanism that a lot

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Speaker 6: of people have, which is, Okay, you know, one of

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Speaker 6: these days, it's all got to catch up with Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump and he's just going to leave the scene. Guess

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Speaker 6: what that did not happen. That that's not happened. Folks

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Speaker 6: might have thought up until yesterday or the middle of

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Speaker 6: this week. Oh, the Supreme Court. This will all end

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Speaker 6: at the Supreme Court. Okay, well, maybe it won't.

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Speaker 3: It may on everybody to go out there and vote

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Speaker 3: and participate in this democracy. And I think, Molly, but

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Speaker 3: you have said it best when you come on this show.

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Speaker 3: This is the election about whether we're going to have elections,

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Speaker 3: And I think all of this.

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Speaker 6: Is extremely important stuff. I do think to some extent,

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Speaker 6: we folks wanted to look the other way. They wanted

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Speaker 6: to stick their head in a sand and just to

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Speaker 6: kind of ignore it and hope some of this extremism

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Speaker 6: in our politics would go away. And guess what, it didn't,

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Speaker 6: and so we're going to have to deal with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no question.

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Speaker 1: And I do think like this idea that trump Ism

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Speaker 1: would somehow resolve itself and that.

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Speaker 2: We would go back to normal has been interesting.

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Speaker 1: This week we saw the Supreme Court decide to look

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Speaker 1: at the insane presidential immunity.

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Speaker 2: It was so crazy that even people with.

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Speaker 1: Low expectations for the Supreme Court were shocked that they

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Speaker 1: took it up. It does go back to this question

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Speaker 1: of like will our institute, you know, the people who

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Speaker 1: have been bragging about our institutions holding, have they really well?

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Speaker 6: And I, you know, was talking to a guest on

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Speaker 6: my show this morning, Doug High, and he was saying,

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Speaker 6: you know, the Supreme Court, and it's becoming like every

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Speaker 6: other institution, the media, the NFL, what have you. An

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Speaker 6: American society that's just not what it used to be.

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Speaker 6: It's not as popular as it used to be, you know,

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Speaker 6: and we don't really have as much time as I

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Speaker 6: wanted to kind of delve into that, but it's an

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Speaker 6: interesting comment to make. The Supreme Court should be above

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Speaker 6: all of that, like it should be the one branch

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Speaker 6: of government, should be the one institution in American society

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Speaker 6: that should be above reproach. And it is damaged right now.

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Speaker 6: The image and the institution is damaged. And it is

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Speaker 6: just a fact of life of this started with Dobbs

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Speaker 6: and when you saw those justices when they were nominees

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Speaker 6: up on Capitol and I was saying, oh, Roe is

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Speaker 6: president president, should be with respective as oo want. And

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Speaker 6: then that obviously was not like one hundred percent of

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Speaker 6: what was going on in the back of their minds,

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Speaker 6: because as soon as they had the chance to throw

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Speaker 6: a row versus the way they did and so as tushit,

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Speaker 6: it is damaged and it is something that we're going

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Speaker 6: to have to do with I think in terms of

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Speaker 6: the immunity issue, Thank goodness, if I could say one

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Speaker 6: thing about the Supreme Court that they are allowing audio

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Speaker 6: out of these proceedings when they do have the oral

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Speaker 6: arguments about this immunity issue, It's going to be fascinating

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Speaker 6: because I want.

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Speaker 4: To know why is it worried Eve been hearing this?

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Speaker 6: I mean, it seems to be pretty straightforward if you

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Speaker 6: look at USA versus Nixon, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, the Nixon case is insane, I mean, and there's

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Speaker 1: not it's just completely wild.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It was pointed out to me that William Renquist accused

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Speaker 3: himself in that case and Claire S.

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Speaker 4: Thomas is not.

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Speaker 6: We're acusing himself in any of these proceedings. And so,

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Speaker 6: I mean, I do think it's not unreasonable for folks

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Speaker 6: to have questions about how the Supreme Court is conducting itself.

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Speaker 6: And it's certainly playing everything that we're seeing right now,

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Speaker 6: there's no question about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just it's sort of shocking, right really, So

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Speaker 1: I'm curious now, as you're sort of in this brave

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Speaker 1: new world. What I think is pretty interesting about trump

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Speaker 1: Ism is that there was so much sort of norm shifting,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of those rooms haven't necessarily come back.

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Speaker 4: No, I know, it's so true. And you know, when

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Speaker 4: I was covering him.

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Speaker 6: At the White House, you know, there was this constant

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Speaker 6: conversation about are we being too tough? Are we drifting

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Speaker 6: into something else besides meeting the potatoes straight down the

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Speaker 6: middle of journalism? And honestly, I look back at the

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Speaker 6: way we covered it, and I look at the way

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Speaker 6: we cover him now. And as I've said in the past,

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Speaker 6: I'll say it again, a different kind of president calls

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Speaker 6: for a different kind of playbook, and he is right

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Speaker 6: to behave in these sorts of ways that I mean,

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Speaker 6: sayd that's kind of light you know, Westland past the grade.

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Speaker 6: Letther like, I mean, it's beyond that. And so asked

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Speaker 6: the cover. So I mean, at least going to not

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Speaker 6: tell the truth of it, we have to call that out.

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Speaker 6: If he is going to talk about being a dictator

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Speaker 6: on day one, we have to we have to call

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Speaker 6: that out.

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 6: And so you know, one of the things that I

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Speaker 6: tell folks a lot who asks you know, maybe you

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Speaker 6: were doing two mins there, maybe it was a liver

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Speaker 6: top over there. My question is is like, Okay, what

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Speaker 6: do you want us to do. We have to cover

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Speaker 6: the news and a former president who represented that's somewhat

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Speaker 6: at a threat to democracy. And I'm being diplomatic when

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Speaker 6: I say that.

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Speaker 2: That's the news. You got to call it the way

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Speaker 2: you see it.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I've done in the past, and that's

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Speaker 3: what I'll continue to do, and that's what a lot

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Speaker 3: of my colleagues do, and I think it's it's the

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Speaker 3: right way to go.

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Speaker 1: I think back to like what George Conway told me

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Speaker 1: a while ago. It was like, Trump is going to

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Speaker 1: destroy everything, the Republican.

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Speaker 2: Party, all of it.

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Speaker 1: And you know he was I think a little wistful

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Speaker 1: because he you know, he helped build that Republican Party

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Speaker 1: and it's going to all have to be destroyed. And

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Speaker 1: the thing, like with the Mitch McConnell stuff, it's like,

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Speaker 1: you really do see that in fact, there is no

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Speaker 1: place for anything that isn't MAGA in this party, despite

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Speaker 1: the fact that it started as a populist notion, but

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Speaker 1: it's largely morphed into something than most people don't really want.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Mally, it's amazing that you can bring up

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Speaker 3: George Conway, because I think George is a perfect example

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Speaker 3: of somebody who is in that world, in Trump's world,

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Speaker 3: I think almost went to the Trump administration and had

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Speaker 3: been in Republican politics for a long time.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you and I both done them.

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Speaker 6: Like how many former Trump administration and officials have I

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Speaker 6: had on my show, Stephanie Grisham, Mark Esper. The list

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Speaker 6: goes on and on, who have been on CNN and

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Speaker 6: in general on all the networks talking to sixty Minutes

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Speaker 6: and so on, who talk about Trump as a danger

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Speaker 6: to democracy, to talk about Trump is not being fit

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Speaker 6: to serve as president of the United States. And you know,

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Speaker 6: if all of those folks are saying something, of course

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Speaker 6: that's the do is. We have to cover it. It

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Speaker 6: is what it is. I do think what you're saying

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Speaker 6: about is the Republican Party going to go by the wayside. Maybe,

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Speaker 6: I mean you have.

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Speaker 2: To have two parties. I mean you should probably have more,

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Speaker 2: but we used to exactly and mainly that's the phase.

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Speaker 6: But I think in twenty twenty, I think we might

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Speaker 6: see the gap the near twenty twenties.

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Speaker 4: But look at that NICKI Haley number. The other night

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Speaker 4: with Mischig, there.

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Speaker 6: Was all this talk of uncommitted and this protest vote

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Speaker 6: against Joe Biden. There were people who vote to Vernickie

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Speaker 6: Haley than Donald Trump in the Michigan frontment. That was

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Speaker 6: lower that we've seen in some of the other early

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Speaker 6: primary states. And I have to think that some of

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Speaker 6: those folks are the kind of Republicans who are going

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Speaker 6: to say, you know what, we're going to either sit

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Speaker 6: this one out and wait until twenty twenty eight, or

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Speaker 6: we're going to go and vote for Biden at the

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Speaker 6: top of the ticket and vote for Republicans by the

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Speaker 6: other parts of the ticket. I think that that is

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Speaker 6: quite possible, and so I'm not one of those folks

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Speaker 6: who's short are down in the Dumpston thinks it's all

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Speaker 6: going to go down the tubes. I just don't see

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Speaker 6: that happening just yet, because I think that people underestimate

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Speaker 6: how seeply unpopular the former president is. How were these

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Speaker 6: sweet districts outside of Philadelphia and Detroit and Phoenix in Atlanta.

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Speaker 6: Are they just going to have it out of body

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Speaker 6: experience and all of a sudden say, okay, now I'm

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Speaker 6: okated with Williams' Donald Trump after they sort of put

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Speaker 6: that one to rest. I just don't know, so I

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Speaker 6: you know, I really think this is a jump ball

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Speaker 6: heading into November and possibly even advantaged Biden at this point.

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Speaker 6: That spy what people said.

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Speaker 1: It's really interesting when you think about this party's problem

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Speaker 1: because there has been like an enormous realignment that we

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Speaker 1: don't talk about so much, which is that the more

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Speaker 1: educated you are, the more likely you are to vote

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Speaker 1: for Democrats. You know, if you look at the numbers,

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Speaker 1: some college, college, grad school, postgrad, and it does seem

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Speaker 1: to cut completely along those lines, which that was not

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Speaker 1: always the case. In fact, until very recently, Mitt Romney

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Speaker 1: was a candidate because Mitt Romney was an archetype right

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Speaker 1: of a conservative voter. I mean, that shift has to

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Speaker 1: be meaningful.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, And I think I covered the Romney campaign. I

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Speaker 6: was with him on election dight when he lost to

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Speaker 6: Barack Obama, and he was very much sort of the

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Speaker 6: last fashion of the establishment of the Republican Party. And

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Speaker 6: who knows, maybe Trump will be such a disaster politically

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Speaker 6: for the Republican Party that they will go to admit

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Speaker 6: Romney type the next time I'm around. I mean, I

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Speaker 6: do think that there is an appetite for that. I

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Speaker 6: do think, to Biden's credit, I mean on the Democratic side,

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Speaker 6: he is not like a movement's figure Joe Biden, but

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Speaker 6: as an establishments figure of the Democratic Party, he's managed

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Speaker 6: to hang on to the party quite well. Look at

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Speaker 6: the way these early primary states have been worked out

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Speaker 6: for him, Dean Phillips, what is he pulling?

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Speaker 4: And he's just nothing. It's not like a bird situation.

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Speaker 6: It is not like a Hillary Clinton versus Baracco o'bama situation.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. It's just not it's not at all.

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Speaker 1: In fact, one of my kids came in when we

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Speaker 1: were watching results the other day and he's like, who

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Speaker 1: the fuck is Dean Phillips? And I was like, you

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Speaker 1: read the newspaper every day and you don't know who

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Speaker 1: he is?

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Well, when the New York Times has a story about

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Speaker 3: how you have a coffee you get the coffee truck

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Speaker 3: in New Hampshire and they write a story saying that

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Speaker 3: nobody showed up, that is typically not a good sign.

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Speaker 2: That is not a good sign.

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Speaker 1: But it is like one of the things that this

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Speaker 1: White House complains about, and I actually think they're probably right,

946
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Speaker 1: is that this is their complaint. But I think they

947
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Speaker 1: feel that the mainstream media does not like them, and

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Speaker 1: we're talking about I know, I hate to, you know,

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Speaker 1: speak out of school, but you know, you do see

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Speaker 1: the tweets talk to me about like you would think

951
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Speaker 1: that the sane White House would be more liked by

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Speaker 1: the mainstream media than the insane White House.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I covered Obama the second term, and

954
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Speaker 3: you know they would get mad at us back then.

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Speaker 4: I can tell you the stories about that.

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Speaker 6: I do think to some extent it's it's sort of

957
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Speaker 6: the conversations you and I had Molly on my old

958
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Speaker 6: weekend show. There's Earth one on Earth too. Biden having

959
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Speaker 6: problems with the border is sort of an Earth One problem.

960
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Speaker 6: When I covered Obama in the second term in the

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Speaker 6: Obamacare website did work for a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: That was sort of an.

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Speaker 4: Earth One problem.

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Speaker 6: People's where I mean the capital on January dits it

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Speaker 6: was very much to the Earth too kind of saying

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Speaker 6: with Donald Trump. And you know, to some extent, I

967
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Speaker 6: do think that some of the complaints from Democrats on

968
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Speaker 6: the progressive side are warranted when they look at the

969
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Speaker 6: both sides ism that goes on in the media and whatnot.

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Speaker 6: And I do think you do have to have some

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Speaker 6: sense of perspective. But at the same time, I mean,

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Speaker 6: you know this, somebody once said politics ain't being back,

973
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Speaker 6: and I think if your White House, you have to

974
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Speaker 6: expect there's going to be a critical coverage when it

975
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Speaker 6: comes to the word. There's going to be a critical

976
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Speaker 6: covered when it comes to Gaza. I do think the

977
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Speaker 6: president has a really tough problem when it comes to

978
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Speaker 6: Israelal Prime Minister Benjamin Yahoo and how Biden negotiates city

979
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Speaker 6: is as one of these grand negotiators in the old

980
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Speaker 6: school of a way and to negotiate with bb Net

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Speaker 6: and Yahoo out of this mess. I mean, I had

982
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Speaker 6: James Carlival on the other day and he made it

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Speaker 6: a very good point saying that Joe Biden does not

984
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Speaker 6: want this problem slaaring up at the Democrat at a convention.

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Speaker 1: Certainly, not especially we're back in Chicago again and.

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Speaker 3: Back in Chicago and exactly so, I mean, I do think, yes,

987
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Speaker 3: that there are times when it's sort of like the

988
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Speaker 3: Obama tan suit phenomenon re yours. It's ugly head, I

989
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Speaker 3: don't know, And yes they do yell when the pool sprays,

990
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Speaker 3: and and the President's sort of like, okay, who do

991
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Speaker 3: I think a.

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Speaker 6: Question pro they proud Washington tradition. But I've played a

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Speaker 6: party in myself. I have to play guilty to some

994
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Speaker 6: extent to that. The other thing I don't get Molly

995
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Speaker 6: is Okay, Biden comes out, he goes out and gets

996
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Speaker 6: on the helicopter, and you cannot hear the questions.

997
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Speaker 3: You can only hear the brosident of the video. Audio

998
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Speaker 3: quality is terrible, and Trump used to do it when

999
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Speaker 3: he was brother. I wish if I could just put out,

1000
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Speaker 3: if I could put one suggestion in the suggestion box,

1001
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Speaker 3: that we just don't do those anymore. Those are just

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Speaker 3: the harediest TV situations.

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Speaker 4: I do think the.

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Speaker 6: President would be well served in having more news compens

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Speaker 6: I think he does well in those settings. We're not

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Speaker 6: here to do them any favors or tell them how

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Speaker 6: to do things or where. I just think, you know,

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Speaker 6: Obama handled him pretty well. He didn't like to do

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Speaker 6: them very much, and I think I miss kind of

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Speaker 6: in the same boat.

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Speaker 4: I think that that would help him, But I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I'm not here to give any pointers here, but I

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Speaker 6: think more of those would maybe serve him well and

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Speaker 6: maybe take some.

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Speaker 4: Of the keep that they are feeling over there.

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Speaker 2: Away, Jim Mcosta. I hope you'll come back, of.

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Speaker 6: Course, as alwayss that was so fast, but it was

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Speaker 6: great to catch up with you.

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Speaker 2: No moment, Jesse Cannon, my jump fast. You know.

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Speaker 4: It's not often friends of the show get great news,

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Speaker 4: but Congressman Ruem Diego got some great news. What are

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Speaker 4: you seeing here?

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Speaker 1: Kirson Cinema raise no money and is now dropping out.

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Speaker 2: I want to take a moment here to extend a hearty.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to curse, because this is a kind

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Speaker 1: of gentler jong a hearty. You are not a good

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Speaker 1: person to both Kirston Cinema and also Joe Manchin, because

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Speaker 1: had those two just been a little bit better people

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Speaker 1: and not so interested in getting money from lobbyists, we

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Speaker 1: would have a lot more progressive legislation. We would have

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Speaker 1: a permanent child tax credit. We would have things that

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Speaker 1: you can't even dream of, free pre.

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Speaker 2: K at the national level.

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Speaker 1: You know, we could have a lot of stuff had

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Speaker 1: those two not decided they were fiscal conservatives. And also,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I am happy to see them both go.

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Speaker 1: So Democrats will lose the seat in West Virginia. But

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Speaker 1: looks like our friend of the show and great funny,

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Speaker 1: brilliant Congressman Rubin Diego will clean the floor with Governor

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Speaker 1: Carrie Lake. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the

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Speaker 1: If you enjoyed what you've heard, please send me to

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Speaker 1: for listening.