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Speaker 1: Hope you had a great weekend. Hope you listen to

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Speaker 1: my guy Dan Byer yesterday or throughout last week as

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Speaker 1: he's filling up the radio hours. He's back with us today.

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Speaker 1: Excited to have dB along. Of course, you got Jason

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Speaker 1: on the ones and two is welcome in. Rick Buker

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Speaker 1: is going to join us about twenty five after the hour.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit. Caitlin Clark also a new

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Speaker 1: ad with Caitlin Clark, which I give it my thoughts on.

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Speaker 1: We got a big football trade. Is Jalen Ramsey's now

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. We got all the things to get to.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with Lebron James Rich, Paul is Lebron

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Speaker 1: James agent Rich Paul was the guy who Lebron met,

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Speaker 1: I think selling jerseys out of the back of his car, right,

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Speaker 1: So he's part of, you know, starting from the bottom.

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Speaker 1: Now we're here, and he had this statement to ESPN.

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Speaker 1: Lebron wants to compete for a championship. Paul told ESPN.

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Speaker 1: He knows the Lakers are building for the future. He

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Speaker 1: understands that, but he values a realistic chance at winning

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Speaker 1: it all. We're very appreciative of the partnership that we

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Speaker 1: had for eight years with Genie and Rob Lincoln consider

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Speaker 1: the Lakers as a critical part of his career. We

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Speaker 1: understand the difficulty in winning now while preparing for the future.

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Speaker 1: We do want to evaluate what's best for Lebron at

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Speaker 1: this stage of his life and career. He wants to

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Speaker 1: make every season he has left count and the Lakers

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Speaker 1: understand that supportive of what of want what's best for him.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you how that lands with me one

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Speaker 1: word poorly, poorly, And there are lots of different ways

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Speaker 1: to explain why it lands poorly, but here's the easiest.

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Speaker 1: You have to match up your actions with your words.

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Speaker 1: If Lebron wants to win a championship, Well, then why

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Speaker 1: would you opt into a deal that pays you fifty

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Speaker 1: three million dollars? Because ear's out really works. If you

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Speaker 1: want to win, you know, you got to take less

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Speaker 1: so that you can pay more to go out and

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Speaker 1: get guys on the free agent market. I mean, and

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Speaker 1: if you want to guarantee yourself a big fat paycheck,

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Speaker 1: what you can do is you can backload a contract,

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Speaker 1: do it as a player only option, and you play

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Speaker 1: a year with the Lakers and oh yeah, by the way,

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Speaker 1: if if it doesn't work out, you want to retire,

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Speaker 1: you know, you had them by their way out of

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Speaker 1: an opt out or whatever, or you going somewhere next year.

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Speaker 1: There's a million different things you can do. But you

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Speaker 1: can say you're appreciative of Genie and Rob Polinka, your

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Speaker 1: actions are far different because if you're really appreciative, why

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Speaker 1: would you release the statement? If you really want to

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Speaker 1: win a championship, why'd you release the statement? How it

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Speaker 1: lands on me is poorly because it feels like the

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Speaker 1: Lakers and Lebron has talked about it and he always

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Speaker 1: couches it with you. I understand. Now we're building around Luca.

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Speaker 1: This is Lebron James and Rich Baull pouting and trying

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Speaker 1: to exert some sort of leverage that doesn't actually exist.

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Speaker 1: This is no different than Lebron when he was leaving Miami,

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Speaker 1: when he was leaving Cleveland the second time leaking out

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Speaker 1: there that could be interested in the San Antonio Spurs

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Speaker 1: who had no interest in Lebron James. Because you can say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're really appreciative, but the reality is, are you right?

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Speaker 1: Let me make this clear, over the past year, just

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Speaker 1: the past year alone, We'll make it thirteen months a year.

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Speaker 1: Is that? Okay? Over the past year, the Lakers have

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Speaker 1: hired a guy he co hosted a podcast with as

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Speaker 1: the head coach of the Lakers, and look, I get it,

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Speaker 1: like I'm not that different from the JJ Reddick higher

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Speaker 1: but it's the head coach of the Lakers and they

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Speaker 1: hired him. Okay. They also drafted Bronnie James and then

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Speaker 1: too accurate. Then they played Bronnie the first game of

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Speaker 1: They overpaid for Anthony Davis. Why he was a Rich

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Speaker 1: They overplayed for Russell Westbrook, and then midway through his

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Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook. So we overpaid for Anthony Davis, we trade

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Speaker 1: play Browny James. All of these things would not have

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Speaker 1: a million other things. And you have fifty three and

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Speaker 1: having the opportunity to opt out of that rework your

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Speaker 1: is that's great, but we're going to keep our options open.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like the least no matter. You can say

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Speaker 1: you're grateful, but it's words, it's actions, not words. And

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Speaker 1: and what you have done and what the Lakers have

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Speaker 1: Remember of Lebron's seasons with the Lakers, how many of

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Speaker 1: games does he played in the regular season? You remember

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Speaker 1: Lebron about Lebron, I get he's the most selfish, unselfish

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Speaker 1: it to be about Lebron. His agent tries to make

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Speaker 1: see what the Lakers do. He's willing to take less

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Speaker 1: He says, we're gonna take your money and then we're

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Speaker 1: gonna think about what we want to do in the future.

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Speaker 1: And what this does is it sours so many people

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Speaker 1: on Lebron James when, as I've stated previously, in comparison

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Speaker 1: to other star athletes, right know, off the court, nonsense, none, zero.

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Speaker 1: But there is a transactional nature to how he approaches

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Speaker 1: playing for a team. And I've told you guys, since

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Speaker 1: he got to LA and throughout this process, you can play.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna play eight years in LA. Lebron James plays

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Speaker 1: for the Lakers, is not a Laker because what Laker

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Speaker 1: to do one thing before he calls it a career,

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Speaker 1: we can do it with the Lakers, So why are

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Speaker 1: we paying you fifty three million hours? Bud? Oh? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you don't think Luca is good enough,

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Speaker 1: then how did Luca get to the finals without you?

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Speaker 1: The whole thing is a massive contradiction and a statement

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Speaker 1: of being ungrateful. And there's lots of things that turn

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Speaker 1: people are not grateful. People are not appreciative. There are

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Speaker 1: no perfect human beings. Either we see the positive things

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Speaker 1: And if you're appreciative of the positive, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: giving you the best that they have. I just for

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Speaker 1: a guy that has done so many of the right things,

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Speaker 1: this statement is so about the wrong things to me. Byer,

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Speaker 1: what do you think of Rich Paul's statement and how

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Speaker 1: it lands on you as somebody who's not from La Okay,

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Speaker 1: but you know LA sports fans, the Lakers and the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this topic is so many different ways to tackle it,

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Speaker 3: and I am not opposite yours. If you're at noon

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Speaker 3: When I read it, it felt like Rich Paul was

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Speaker 3: trying to take the narrative away from the Lakers. And

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Speaker 3: how I read it was, prior to the team acquiring

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Speaker 3: Luka Doncic, it had been all about Lebron stuff that

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Speaker 3: now Luca comes along, and I'm sure the Lakers and

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Speaker 3: Lebron had discussions about how things are going to go.

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Speaker 3: But if there was no Luca, why wouldn't Lebron just

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Speaker 3: And I don't mean charade that it's a farce, but

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Speaker 3: that's what he did last offseason, had the one and

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Speaker 3: at least this offseason, and now it allows teams a

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Speaker 3: allows them a year in advance to plot where they

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Speaker 3: want to go next. But I just took the statement, Doug,

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Speaker 3: is them stealing the narrative of the Lakers saying that

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Speaker 3: they don't need Lebron anymore. And I compared it to

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Speaker 3: a marriage. There are different types of marriages that span

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Speaker 3: and madly in love for fifty years. There are marriages

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Speaker 3: deal not necessarily great for us. We're not interested. So

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Speaker 3: Lebron will opt in, get his money, and then he

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Speaker 3: can figure out where he's going to play next and

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Speaker 3: have his farewell to her.

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Speaker 4: Then that's how I took this statement.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you bring up the marriage analogy. It's great if

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Speaker 1: it's the difference in if you've been married once or

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Speaker 1: married three or four times, how you view your wedding

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Speaker 1: And if you've been married three times, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: day whatever, you've been married one time, Like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's literally the it's the culminating moment of two lives

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Speaker 1: it's fascinating. So here's a dude who's been with a

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Speaker 1: to him. There's not the emotional connection to the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: But for the Lakers, there's an emotional connection to Lakers. Remember,

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Speaker 1: the Lakers used to play in Inglewood. Inglewood was known

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Speaker 1: Kurt three thousand strikeouts in a seventeen year story career

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Speaker 6: the big leagues that they were in junior college. Physically, mechanically,

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Speaker 6: people should be fired for that. But the chase for

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Speaker 6: velocity and the money seemed to create a sense of

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Speaker 6: haste in promoting minds. It shouldn't exist. Would you rather

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Speaker 6: have a guy come up at twenty two and have

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Speaker 6: his Tommy John, Because there are most of these guys

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Speaker 6: that are on their way to Tommy John or some

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Speaker 6: shoulder problem because of their deliveries. But would you rather

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Speaker 6: have that guy at twenty two who knows nothing about

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Speaker 6: the big leagues bounce around for three, four, five years

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Speaker 6: and then become a free agent when he starts to

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Speaker 6: learn how to pitch in the big leagues, Or would

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Speaker 6: you rather have him at twenty three, twenty four as

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Speaker 6: polished as he could be, and then learn that way?

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Speaker 6: You know, the process is so broken right now, and

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Speaker 6: teams are losing and the four is losing billions of

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Speaker 6: dollars in I our time. The picture is because of

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Speaker 6: the approach.

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Speaker 1: It it's really really testing stuff. And yeah, they want

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Speaker 1: to also get the big league getings quicker to arbitration,

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Speaker 1: right and then.

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Speaker 6: But you know what the problem is, the only way

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Speaker 6: a kid could be the same pitcher he was in

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Speaker 6: junior college. Is if you have a minor league system

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Speaker 6: of coaches afraid to coach. Right, some of these guys

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Speaker 6: coming to their first day in rookie ball, you would

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Speaker 6: take them to the bullpen and go, okay, listen, this

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Speaker 6: isn't going to work. You have the foundation. But here's

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Speaker 6: what we need to fix the problem is that coaches

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Speaker 6: don't don't want to be the guy that broke the

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Speaker 6: first round tick. Right, you're talking about five six eight,

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Speaker 6: what was schemes? Nine million dollars. No one's gonna no

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Speaker 6: one's gonna want to be the guy that that maybe

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Speaker 6: broke him or changed him because he throws really hard,

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Speaker 6: and you can't do that. You have to be hands

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Speaker 6: on with these young men and you have to make

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Speaker 6: them understand listen, these guys are getting paid. Think about this.

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Speaker 6: These guys are getting paid thirty million dollars a year

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Speaker 6: to throw one hundred and seventy five innings. Are you

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Speaker 6: kidding me? The one hundred and seventy five innings was

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Speaker 6: like mid August total, and now it's not. I mean

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Speaker 6: thirty five starts a year. Seven innings that starts two

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Speaker 6: hundred and forty five innings. When was the last time

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Speaker 6: anybody even sniffed that, I.

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Speaker 1: Probably never again. So okay, so let me let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this. Let me get to a couple of

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Speaker 1: other things. Kurk Chilling joining us. The Complete game is

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Speaker 1: the podcast download wherever you're down the podcast. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you can watch it on YouTube as well. Uh, let's

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Speaker 1: get to the Dodgers. Jason Stewart is my producer. The

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Speaker 1: Dodgers drive him crazy, not because he doesn't think they're talented,

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Speaker 1: but because it's like they so badly want to be

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Speaker 1: able to do it without a closer, like a designated closure,

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Speaker 1: like here's our guy, right. They want the new era

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Speaker 1: of baseball. It did work last year?

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Speaker 6: Are you a believer it doesn't work? Why it's never

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Speaker 6: worked because sabermetricians can't understand that getting the last three

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Speaker 6: outs of the game are the hardest three outs of

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Speaker 6: the game to get. Yeah, they just are. You can

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Speaker 6: like that, dislike that, you can be a fantasy Oh

488
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Speaker 6: is it's different. It's different. And the analogy I've always

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Speaker 6: used is October baseball is like pitching the ninth inning

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Speaker 6: with a one run lead. Every inning, every hitter in

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Speaker 6: the ninth inning of a close game is approaching me

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Speaker 6: at that differently. They just do right. And in October,

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Speaker 6: every single hitter, every single at bat, the hitters at

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Speaker 6: the plate approaching it like a nine thing. At bat,

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Speaker 6: they're different. Out, I get the hole, bring my guy

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Speaker 6: in in the highest leverage situation in the seventh inning

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Speaker 6: because they're second and third and I need two punch

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Speaker 6: outs and whatever. But probably the biggest culprit in the

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Speaker 6: new phase of pitching our relievers. These guys are just

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Speaker 6: coming and thrown as hard as they want. And if

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Speaker 6: you if you doubt what I'm saying, just watch an inning.

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Speaker 6: Watch the catcher's glove on fastballs and the fact that

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Speaker 6: you almost have to be Jerry Rice to catch some

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Speaker 6: of these fastballs, as opposed to being a big league catcher.

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Speaker 6: Guys set up down and into whether to throw the

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Speaker 6: ball up and away. Guy sits up down in a way,

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Speaker 6: throws the ball in middle middle guy swings and missus.

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Speaker 6: Everybody says, great pitch. It's just there's metrics that aren't

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Speaker 6: being measured, and they met they're meaningful from a standpoint

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Speaker 6: of pitching. But getting the last three I remember, if

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Speaker 6: you remember, way back the Red Sox tried that whole

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Speaker 6: bullpen by committee approach in the early two thousands and

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Speaker 6: failed miserably at it. It's just different. The human psyche

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Speaker 6: is different, and I'm on the mound in the ninth inning.

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Speaker 6: Hell is the starter. When I was on the mound

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Speaker 6: in the ninth inning, I knew those three outs were

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Speaker 6: different than the first twenty four I've gotten as a reliever.

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Speaker 6: That's your whole life. Well, think about this. If it

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Speaker 6: was not that different, then there would be a lot

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Speaker 6: of Trevor Hoffins and Mariano Rivera's with six on her

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Speaker 6: career stage, right. Yeah, But there's not, and there won't

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Speaker 6: be there.

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Speaker 1: There's not. Kurt. You're the best man. It's not just

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Speaker 1: because you have credibility in your opinion, but you also

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Speaker 1: do the work to the research and getting us ready

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Speaker 1: for the upcoming MLB draft. This is awesome stuff. Can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Talk with you next week again. Hi, buddy, It's the

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Speaker 1: complete game, Kurt Schilling. Download it and check it out

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Speaker 6: Thanks Kurt, take brother.

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Speaker 1: mere Doug Gottlieb, let's get to the midway. It's not

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Speaker 1: getting the middle it's time for So what's the midway?

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Speaker 1: You ask yourself? Thanks so much for asking and making

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Speaker 1: download podcast. It's the middle of the week. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: middle of the day. I don't know. It's one on

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Speaker 1: the west, four on the east. You know your day

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Speaker 1: doesn't end at five anymore, and it's the middle of

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Speaker 1: the show. We'll call it the midway. Can be any topic,

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Speaker 1: Jay su what's the midway?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.

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Speaker 7: I did want to make this is a special midway today.

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Speaker 7: I saw this note and I'm like, man, this is

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Speaker 7: this is almost written for the Doug Gottlieb Show. Whoever,

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Speaker 7: whoever took the time to post this must be a listener.

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Speaker 7: This is what PMT Stats and Info posted this morning.

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Speaker 7: July second, twenty twenty five is exactly the middle of

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Speaker 7: the year, which means from this day moving forward, will

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Speaker 7: be closer to twenty fifty than we were two thousand. So, Doug,

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Speaker 7: not only are we in the middle of the day

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Speaker 7: in the middle of the show. We're in the very

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Speaker 7: middle of twenty twenty five and to this tweets, I

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Speaker 7: guess sentiment, we are in the middle of the half century.

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Speaker 7: We are right in the middle of our half century.

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Speaker 7: To me, these things are more than coincidences. Really, this

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Speaker 7: is why we have the Midway to discuss topics of

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Speaker 7: the day and have a good time with them. Today

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Speaker 7: I threw out on the group text, since we are

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Speaker 7: at the very middle of the year, what storylines are

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Speaker 7: you looking forward to following for the rest of the

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Speaker 7: calendar year. I saw exactly zero comments about it, so

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Speaker 7: I'm assuming that's what we're going with.

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Speaker 2: Guys, good with me, It's good with me.

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Speaker 3: I like it, Yeah, yes, no need to change.

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Speaker 1: No, I thought it was outstanding. I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: give away an idea because I think, go ahead.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 3: The one good thing about the twenty five years is

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Speaker 3: if we were to do that angle, like, what are

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Speaker 3: we looking for the next twenty five years? All of

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Speaker 3: the US Open sites have been basically set from now

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Speaker 3: and so there's only like four open So thanks a

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Speaker 3: lot USGA for that one. Ridiculous sorry just to golf Takes.

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Speaker 8: It's like the Marvel movie schedule coming out like fifteen

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Speaker 8: years ago, and they're like, these are all the Marvel

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Speaker 8: movies we're going to make over the next twenty years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like, okay, thanks for the surprise, than thanks for

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Speaker 4: giving everybody else a chance.

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Speaker 1: That's not By the way, has anybody seen F one?

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Speaker 2: Is it out?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 1: The movie? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: It did very well except first weekend. Yeah, I've not

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Speaker 8: seen it.

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Speaker 1: S Brad Pitt combined with the guy that made Top

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Speaker 1: Gun Maverick. What could go wrong? Right, Brad Pitt who

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Speaker 1: got it? Still got it?

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Speaker 2: Here's what could go wrong?

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Speaker 1: Go ahead? Can you say it? Jay Stu? I I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I should say it as a college

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Speaker 1: basketball coach. Brad's Pitt still still got it? You know

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Speaker 1: what's in the box?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 8: Not that, No, No, I just movie drop from Brad. Say,

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Speaker 8: Brad Pitt's still hot. Yeah, he's like sixty one.

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Speaker 9: I think something like that. No way, Yeah, he's in

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Speaker 9: the sixties.

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Speaker 4: Yes he is.

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Speaker 1: Brad Pitt is sixty one years old.

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Speaker 2: He's gorgeous too. He's gorgeous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's good looking man.

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Speaker 9: He is sixty one in December and he was a bee.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 7: Uh, I would love I would love to fall into

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Speaker 7: Brad's pit. Pause apparently, I don't know if you do.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on. Okay, things I'm looking forward to later

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Speaker 1: on this year, not Brad Spitt, Not Brad Spit. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. I know it feels like prisoner

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Speaker 1: of the moment. I want to see the Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: thing in Pittsburgh. I'm with you there, just I just

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Speaker 1: do like it's his last year. They're kind of acting

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Speaker 1: on Pittsburgh like a motivated Aaron Rodgers usually pretty good,

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Speaker 1: but he wasn't very good half the year. He succeeds,

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Speaker 1: he fails as a player. You know, he's going to

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Speaker 1: say it doesn't matter because it's bigger than that, it's

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Speaker 1: a spiritual journey or whatever. But like it's really going

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Speaker 1: to be a kind of how you and your career

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Speaker 1: sometimes defines a little bit of your career. It doesn't, right,

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, he won a Super Bowl, but I mean

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Speaker 1: he was bad and he really kind of got pulled

645
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Speaker 1: midway through the season. Brady's last year, they weren't particularly good.

646
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Speaker 1: He was okay, not really enthused in like you know

647
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: who was playing with and playing poor, but I want

648
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: to see what Aaron Rodgers does this year. I'm that's

649
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: a storyline I want to pay attention to.

650
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 7: Well, there's going to be that kind of weekly thing too, right,

651
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 7: because like it's going to be interesting to see the

652
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 7: first time Aaron Rodgers does something on McAfee that directly

653
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 7: contradicts what Mike Tomlin said on Sunday Night. Like Tomlin

654
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 7: will do one of his we want volunteers and not hostages,

655
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 7: and then Aaron Rodgers will go on McAfee and be like, no, no, no,

656
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 7: we need that guy. I don't care what he just

657
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 7: did on some day. We need that guy. He's important

658
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 7: to the team. He'll like, he'll do things that will

659
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 7: just directly contradict the head coach. That's a part of

660
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 7: his brand, and it's going to be interesting. Given the

661
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 7: amount of respect that each of these two guys.

662
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: Have, it's pretty amazing because they're gonna spend seven months

663
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 3: with each other.

664
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Speaker 4: That's what that's that's what it is. That's not even

665
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 4: a school.

666
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: Year in July.

667
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Speaker 7: I don't even think the Dan points out, I don't

668
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 7: even think the NBA playoffs are shorter than seven months.

669
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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's that's one. That's one Dan you go.

670
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: So Jason Stewart last year pointed out many times and

671
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 3: he was right about this on how he was intrigued

672
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 3: about the Kansas City Chiefs going for a three peat.

673
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 3: And I don't think that that story got enough run

674
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: because of the greatness of the Chiefs. Now they fell

675
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: a game short, we get tired of them. So now

676
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: that they've lost this Super Bowl, I am curious to

677
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: see on how they do rebound because the last time

678
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: that they lost the Super Bowl, they did not make

679
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: it back the next year. Granted Cincinnati had to have

680
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: a crazy AFC Championship game in Kansas City to beat them,

681
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: but still they did not return. And I am curious

682
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 3: to see on if that Super Bowl game was a

683
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: sign of things to come or just a mirage that

684
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 3: has fixed this offseason with a rededicated Travis Kelcey and whatnot.

685
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: So I will carry that Chiefs banner. I continue to

686
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: think that that story in Kansas City teetering on which

687
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 3: way is going to go, It's going to be very

688
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: interesting this fall.

689
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: Chase do I'm going to keep it local.

690
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Speaker 7: I think the Dodgers baseball story this coming October is

691
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 7: one of the most intriguing baseball stories that we've seen.

692
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 7: How many different World Series champions have there been in

693
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 7: the past eight years?

694
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: I want to say eight, eight, because I'm not mistaken.

695
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: I believe it's eight.

696
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 7: And coming off an off season where you're like, are

697
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 7: the Dodgers bad for baseball? And how stupid a notion

698
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 7: that is being a team or the first team to

699
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 7: repeat in quite some time, I think is a is

700
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 7: just like Dan just pointed out, it's kind of like

701
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 7: the chief story like this is this is an intriguing

702
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 7: thing to follow if you like the Dodgers or not.

703
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 7: In fact, if you hate the Dodgers, it's even more interesting.

704
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 7: Can they repeat? They have the most talented team, they

705
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 7: have the biggest payroll, And I'm going to be following

706
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 7: closely as a Dodger fan and a strong critic of

707
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 7: Andrew Friedman. So the storyline I'm looking forward to most

708
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 7: the second half of twenty twenty five the Los Angeles

709
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 7: Dodgers in October.

710
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Speaker 8: Sam just briefly going back to that Aaron Rodgers topic.

711
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 8: I am curious if midway through the season Aaron Rodgers

712
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 8: will ask Mike Tomlin if you could bring in Alan

713
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 8: Wizzard and Randall Cob for help. She's gonnadust them off.

714
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 8: Let just throw out Randall Cobb Lazard out there.

715
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: Just get it.

716
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 8: Get those guys catching balls. No, actually had a couple

717
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 8: in mind, But I am curious if this is going

718
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 8: to be a by the end of the year, a

719
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 8: sophomore slump for Caitlyn Clark. You can define the slump

720
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Speaker 8: a sophomore slump in a lot of ways. Sometimes it's

721
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 8: just poor shooting. Sometimes it's injury. Sometimes it's both. And

722
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 8: right now she has the groin issue and her shooting

723
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 8: has been an issue. But this Fever team has actually

724
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 8: had some really, really impressive wins. They obviously beat the

725
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Speaker 8: Links last night in Minneapolis to win the Commissioners Cup.

726
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 8: They had the best record in the w NBA coming

727
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 8: into that game. They took the bloom off the Rows

728
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 8: with the New York Liberty and beat them for the

729
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 8: first time. They won at Seattle, So the team is

730
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Speaker 8: able to win without her. I think clearly we need

731
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Speaker 8: to have Kaitlyn Clark playing again.

732
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Speaker 7: Hold on, just hold on a secont put a pause

733
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Speaker 7: on your uh your script there?

734
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Speaker 2: Did you just refer to the Fever as we you

735
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Speaker 2: just said we.

736
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Speaker 9: I don't think I did.

737
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a week.

738
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Speaker 2: We'll replay that, we'll script.

739
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Speaker 9: Do we care? I'm just I don't who cares?

740
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Speaker 2: Oh, Doug has a problem with people saying, but.

741
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Speaker 1: I don't like like hardcore fantasy we but like n

742
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: W NBA fever team. You're from Iowa. You just started fault.

743
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: You're clearly a Caitlyn Clark fanatic.

744
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 9: I don't remember saying we here.

745
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

746
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: Not usually one guy.

747
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 9: I'm a me guy.

748
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: But all right, yeah, okay, I gotta I got a

749
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: couple of here, a couple here. First of all, I

750
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: do have we talked about this in the pod, and

751
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: I have received work. Okay, this is not breaking news.

752
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: But I've been led to believe that Caitlin Clark will

753
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: not take a penny of the money from the Commissioner's

754
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: Cup that the team received and will break up. I

755
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: think she's like, hey, I didn't play. Let team personnel

756
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: get it. The people who make the least get it.

757
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: That's what I've been told.

758
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 4: That's nice.

759
00:41:58,920 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 9: Wait where are you getting that?

760
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: I just sources, layers close to the situation have led

761
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: me to believe that is not a confirmed report.

762
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 4: That's just looking out. Yeah, that's great, that's awesome.

763
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Speaker 3: Yes, and probably, honestly, she probably would have done it

764
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: if she would have played as well.

765
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 4: I honestly, you know.

766
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 1: It's it's a drop in the bucket to what she makes. Yeah,

767
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: Mamba shoes sold out like that. She's really really bright woman.

768
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 8: She played, She played in certain games that helped them

769
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 8: get to the Commissioner's Cup Championship. I opined earlier that

770
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 8: maybe she could give her money away to her teammates,

771
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 8: because they did go out there, her teammates.

772
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if she gave her teammates. I think

773
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: it's the team personnel.

774
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 9: I don't know.

775
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 8: I don't I've not heard that from anybody, but just

776
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 8: myself thinking that maybe she could do people.

777
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, can we.

778
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: Get to the here's the things we're looking forward to.

779
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 7: We have I mentioned before we get there. Before we

780
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 7: get there, I did want to I have evidentiary. Evidentiary

781
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 7: what's the word proof? Iowa say, I'm just three minutes

782
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 7: ago talking about his fever. You have me up on

783
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 7: the computer, Sam.

784
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Yeah, so the team is able to win

785
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 8: without her? I think clearly we need to have Kaitlyn

786
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 8: Clark playing I'm talking about his sports dude.

787
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 9: Come on, I'm talking about sports fans. You need to

788
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 9: have Kaitlyn Clark back. You know what, we Fever fans.

789
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna go to Sam, Sam, Sam, I got

790
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: your back here. I'll catch you in this stress fall.

791
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 9: Okay for once. Thank you, guys, thank you.

792
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: No listen, because he meant we, as sports fans, we

793
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: need to have Kaylen Clark because.

794
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 9: Otherwise we don't care unabashed fever.

795
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: But Sophie Cunningham, But.

796
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 8: Sophie Stunningham, Sophie stunning Okay, I've been vindicated.

797
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 9: Thank you.

798
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna say Ohio State, but I'm gonna

799
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: say arch Manning.

800
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I'm glad you went there.

801
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah arch Manning, like I can't. Part of me feels

802
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: bad for the kid, all right, but part of me

803
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: is like, hey, dude, you're the dude. You're gonna put

804
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: yourself man in the arena. Now, the quarterback of Texas Texas,

805
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: right they spent didn't They spend three million dollars on

806
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: his visits supposedly, right, Like this is that's like all

807
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: time Johnny be good levels. Yeah, our arch Manning, quarterback of.

808
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 4: Texas there there.

809
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Speaker 3: I think, I'm so glad you brought that up because

810
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: I think that he is far and away the biggest

811
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: story in college football. And it's also because I think

812
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: there are stories that are lacking in college football. And

813
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna bring up a topic that we kind of

814
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: talked about last year. Do you remember I was not

815
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 3: high in Alabama? Remember, like they you know, they went

816
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: to Madison, they took care of what Wisconsin and you're like, oh,

817
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 3: it's Alabama's Alabama. Alabama's not Alabama when Nick Saban isn't there, sure,

818
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 3: and there was intrigue because you think that maybe that

819
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: team's going to keep rolling with Caitlin de Boorr. But

820
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: it ended up not being the case. They don't even

821
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: make they don't even make the playoffs, So now Alabama

822
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 3: isn't Alabama anymore. Ohio State's got a you know, a

823
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 3: bunch of new faces on offense outside of Jeremiah Smith

824
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: that you have to replace.

825
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: Oklahoma Stinksaomas spinks.

826
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Penn State is maybe the second biggest story I

827
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 3: think because if not now, when for them, like finally,

828
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 3: even though they made it to the semi final last year,

829
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: it's kind of a all right, let's see it, James Franklin,

830
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: let's win that big game. And but other than that,

831
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: you know, I have a tough time in getting a

832
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: lot of buzz about the college football season. I think

833
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 3: arch Manning is the story far and away in college football,

834
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 3: and they open up at Ohio State just to start

835
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: the season, so it's the game that everybody's gonna be

836
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: looking at.

837
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 9: How do we feel in what late December?

838
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 8: I guess about because we had a lot of problems

839
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 8: with how teams were seeded in the first twelveeen playoff

840
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 8: and now we're going to try to correct those errors

841
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 8: and not have a like a Boise State be like

842
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 8: have a buye. You know, we need to correct those things.

843
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 8: So I think that the makeup of the playoff will

844
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 8: be interesting. See how we do it this time around,

845
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 8: maybe trying to correct some of those mistakes from last year.

846
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a great There's not tons of momentum

847
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: for college football right now.

848
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 8: Do you see the big twelves getting rid of preseason

849
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 8: polls because like Arizona State was picked to finish whatever

850
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 8: way deep into the conference and they end of winning it.

851
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: Cam'll tell you what though, that's what makes the story great?

852
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: Agreed?

853
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 4: I love preseason polls.

854
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 8: It's just talking fodder though, you know, it's just yeah, yeah,

855
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 8: but tough to talk about.

856
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: It at least, but it gets us talking about it. Yes, yeah,

857
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm with Dan.

858
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 9: So what you think that it's good it went away

859
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 9: or you should keep it?

860
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: No, they're dumb because nobody knows, Like most teams have

861
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: entirely new teams, so it's really hard. Like people ask

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Speaker 1: them all the time, like what's your league gonna look like?

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know of in my league in the

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Speaker 1: Horizon League in basketball, the twenty five scores two or back.

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Speaker 1: I have one of them and we were the worst team.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, it's crazy. Okay, so we

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Speaker 1: got college football, we got NFL.

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Speaker 3: There's also gonna be a good Rider Cup at h

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Speaker 3: so that'll be a good weekend in late September.

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Speaker 4: I mean, at Page.

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Speaker 1: Anybody anybody else wonder like, I don't think they'll trade him,

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Speaker 1: but what if Lebron gets traded?

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Speaker 4: Thundering at least interesting?

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Speaker 1: Uh, but I thought that was pretty good Midway Chase

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Speaker 1: do anything else?

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Speaker 2: Nope, we got Daniel Jeremiah here.

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Speaker 1: Great, we'll ask him what he's most looking forward to,

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Speaker 1: that is the Midway.

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Speaker 5: The Midway