Speaker 1: I'm Davis Miller, author of the acclaimed international bestseller The
Speaker 1: Dao of Muhammad Ali. We're going to share with you
Speaker 1: some of the ways Ali transformed my life and the
Speaker 1: lives of innumerable others while we deeply explore what few
Speaker 1: people who never met Ali realize that during the second
Speaker 1: half of his life, his years away from the public eye,
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali became an even greater man than he'd been
Speaker 1: during his time as a boxer. Maybe you're wondering why
Speaker 1: this strange title, The Tao of Muhammad Ali. Well, the
Speaker 1: Chinese word Dao means way or path. Think of this
Speaker 1: simply as the way or the path of Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 1: Living in the Tao is living in harmony with nature,
Speaker 1: with the natural world. My great friend Ali was the
Speaker 1: most natural person I've ever known, the most natural man
Speaker 1: I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Who, throughout his life, moved with his.
Speaker 1: Own flow, writing his own personal path, his own stream.
Speaker 1: And I want to confide in you how I spent
Speaker 1: a good chunk of my own life following the path
Speaker 1: that Ali started me on. But before I do, let's
Speaker 1: hear from Ali himself about whether the cost he paid
Speaker 1: for that influence was worth it. Here our story begins
Speaker 1: the Taal of Muhammad Ali, Episode one, Paradise Lost.
Speaker 3: I look at all my world, fame, the people I'm helping.
Speaker 3: I look at all I've done physical and love, physicle,
Speaker 3: and I've added all of them.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it all of the.
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali saved my life. He continues to save my
Speaker 1: life even today. He saved it and transformed it and
Speaker 1: enlarged it many, many, many times over. When I first
Speaker 1: saw him, he was young and glowing and was in
Speaker 1: process of becoming King of the world. I, on the
Speaker 1: other hand, was this puny, skinny, sickly, little white kid
Speaker 1: and wished to say the North Carolina. My mom had
Speaker 1: died just a few months before of a kidney disease
Speaker 1: that we didn't know was fatal, and I blamed myself
Speaker 1: for her death.
Speaker 2: I shut down.
Speaker 1: I was hugely depressed, catatonically depressed, didn't talk hardly at all,
Speaker 1: and I also quit eating and taking fluids. I was
Speaker 1: so miserable and sickly I had to be admitted to
Speaker 1: the hospital, where I was pumped full of fluids until
Speaker 1: I had some strength back. The first time I always
Speaker 1: saved my life was when I got out of the hospital.
Speaker 1: I was sitting in front of my dad's little black
Speaker 1: and white TV, flipping channels. Suddenly I landed on this
Speaker 1: voice and his face, and the voice said I'm young
Speaker 1: and handsome and fast and pretty and can't possibly be beat.
Speaker 1: And it lit me up. I felt like the glory
Speaker 1: train had passed through me. Suddenly. I was no longer miserable,
Speaker 1: at least in those moments and the moments of hearing
Speaker 1: the voice and seeing the face. Every word that came
Speaker 1: out of his mouth was music. It was lyrical, and
Speaker 1: I wanted music to live inside me. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be music. In addition to the music. It was Ali's
Speaker 1: bombacity that I connected with. That's not the way everybody
Speaker 1: else thought of Awi. He was possibly America's most despised person,
Speaker 1: at least by white folk.
Speaker 2: I wasn't one of those white folk.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm as white as white can be, but
Speaker 1: internally I wasn't. I was different, and Ali gave me
Speaker 1: a path to follow. All through my high school years,
Speaker 1: I lived vicariously through Awi. I was the smallest kid
Speaker 1: in school. My nickname was Fetus. At sixteen, I was
Speaker 1: four foot ten weighed less than seventy pounds. I was
Speaker 1: pushed into lockers and locked up inside them, shoved into
Speaker 1: the girls' restrooms, punched in the belly, or ignored. But
Speaker 1: no matter what kids did to me, I had this
Speaker 1: safe place inside me where I was the Great Ali.
Speaker 1: Other geeky kids like myself live vicariously through the Flash, Superman,
Speaker 1: the Green Lantern, Batman, the Mighty Thor. But for me,
Speaker 1: the man, the one man, was Muhammad Ali. No matter
Speaker 1: how kids treated me in school, though I wanted to
Speaker 1: be one of them, I wanted to be seen as cool.
Speaker 1: And the coolest kids in my high school were the
Speaker 1: ones who were also the stupidest. So I went out
Speaker 1: of my way to make myself stupid. I'm almost twenty
Speaker 1: years old and I graduated third from the bottom out
Speaker 1: of a class of fifteen hundred kids. I flunked everything
Speaker 1: that could be flunked. I even flunked PE. And despite
Speaker 1: the fact that I flunked English four years in a
Speaker 1: row and even had two senior years in high school,
Speaker 1: I became a writer. And I became a writer because
Speaker 1: of my man Ali. After high school, I had no ability,
Speaker 1: no interest in anything other than being an Ali fan.
Speaker 1: So I decided I'm going to become Muhammad Ali Junior.
Speaker 1: And I went into training at twenty years old. By
Speaker 1: that time, I was probably eighty five pounds. I'd grown
Speaker 1: to my full adult height of five to seven whooh,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't even do a single push up. Yet
Speaker 1: within six months of hard grinding work, I was doing
Speaker 1: five hundred to one thousand push ups a day. I
Speaker 1: was running five miles a day, and I was spending
Speaker 1: hours of each day living as if I could become
Speaker 1: Ali Junior.
Speaker 2: I was doing up to ten rounds a day.
Speaker 1: On the heavy bag, on the speed bag, I'm doing
Speaker 1: ten rounds of shadow boxing, sparring everybody who was far
Speaker 1: with me, my puny little self, working toward becoming a
Speaker 1: great fighter. Now, of course I never made it, but
Speaker 1: I thought that I could, and the effort changed me
Speaker 1: both inside and out.
Speaker 2: I was in the flow.
Speaker 1: I didn't so much want to hurt people or get hurt,
Speaker 1: as it was a kind of marriage, a way of
Speaker 1: getting closer to people. I patterned everything I did after
Speaker 1: Ali I had his snake click of a jab. I
Speaker 1: got to where I could throw a beautiful lead right hand.
Speaker 1: I could throw five to six punches per second. Man
Speaker 1: I was full of beans. I thought I was something,
Speaker 1: and it would take me years to find out that
Speaker 1: I wasn't. But during the time I thought I was something,
Speaker 1: I had a karate buddy, Bobby. He was ali trainer
Speaker 1: Angelo Dundee's nephew. He knew I was this huge Ali fan.
Speaker 1: Bobby said, why don't you drive up to training camp
Speaker 1: in dear Lake, Pennsylvania. Ali is training to fight Joe
Speaker 1: Bugner for the World Heavyweight Championship, and I'll see if
Speaker 1: I can get you in the ring with him. And
Speaker 1: I didn't believe he could do that, but I wanted
Speaker 1: to see Ali in person anyway. So I hop in
Speaker 1: my old Camaro and I drive six hundred plus miles
Speaker 1: from Winsday Salem, North Carolina to Deer Lake, Pennsylvania. The
Speaker 1: firthest I'd ever been from my dad's house. And I
Speaker 1: go up to ali assistant trainer, Drew Bondini Brown, and
Speaker 1: I tell him who I am, who sent me? And
Speaker 1: I ask, is there any possibility that Ali will get
Speaker 1: in the ring with me?
Speaker 2: And the next thing.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm in a dressing room pulling on this
Speaker 1: pair of red Everlast trunks I bought just for this occasion,
Speaker 1: I hear his voice from outside the dressing room. He's
Speaker 1: already in the ring, and he's talking to the maybe
Speaker 1: seventy five spectators who'd each paid one dollar to watch
Speaker 1: him train. He introduces me to the crowd, is this
Speaker 1: great karate master? And I wasn't grated anything, but it
Speaker 1: sure felt good that he said I was. And I
Speaker 1: step out of the dressing groove and climb awkwardly up
Speaker 1: into the ring, parting the ropes, trembling all over. This
Speaker 1: huge god of a man is standing in front of me,
Speaker 1: looking so beautiful, copper colored skin and amazingly fit. Before
Speaker 1: the bell ring, I was so nervous I thought I
Speaker 1: was going to pee in my trunks. The bell rings
Speaker 1: and I start dancing to the left in exactly the
Speaker 1: style I learned from Ali. Now suddenly I'm not nervous.
Speaker 2: I zing a.
Speaker 1: Jab out toward him. He pulls away effortlessly. I'm trying
Speaker 1: my best. What can I hit this guy with that
Speaker 1: he's never seen before? So I vault a front kick
Speaker 1: toward his face and he pulls away as easily as
Speaker 1: if he's been pulling away from kicks his entire life.
Speaker 2: Man, he's just toying with me.
Speaker 1: He sticks out a lot white coated tongue and he
Speaker 1: goes and he sits back on the second strand of ropes,
Speaker 1: where his head is almost level with my own nail,
Speaker 1: and he waves me in with this brisk flick of
Speaker 1: his gloves, and I fake a jab, throw a kickboxing shot,
Speaker 1: a spinning backfist, and I hook off it and tag
Speaker 1: him with another backfist.
Speaker 2: I caught him with all three punches.
Speaker 1: That was too bad for me because it woke him up,
Speaker 1: and his eyes got round and wide, and he throws
Speaker 1: one fly swatter jab at me. It buckles my legs,
Speaker 1: and I can't see and I can't hear. My legs
Speaker 1: go to slow turtle soup beneath me, and he knows
Speaker 1: he could knock me out with a single shot. Of course,
Speaker 1: instead he drapes a long arm across my shoulders and
Speaker 1: speaks to me tenderly. No old man had ever spoken
Speaker 1: to me that kindly before, other than my own father.
Speaker 1: And he says, you're fast. You sure can't hit to
Speaker 1: be so little. He may as well have said he
Speaker 1: was adopting me. What can I possibly say that would
Speaker 1: impress the world's most famous and admired man. He had
Speaker 1: just told me I was fast and that I hit hard.
Speaker 2: What can I do?
Speaker 1: And I hesitate and then I say, I know.
Speaker 2: Well, here we are.
Speaker 1: We're with my friend and co host Craig Mortali, Emmy
Speaker 1: Award winning producer and pale of Mohammads. Greg produced a
Speaker 1: documentary called Muhammad Ali Still the Greatest, which won the
Speaker 1: Cable Ace Award for Best Sports dot Com Documentary. We
Speaker 1: are the odd couple lemen in mathol.
Speaker 4: We are the.
Speaker 5: Odd couple, aren't we.
Speaker 1: We're distinctly different guys, But I think that our point
Speaker 1: of connection is with Muhammad.
Speaker 2: He let both of us into his life.
Speaker 5: Well, many people over the years covered Mohammad as a
Speaker 5: matter of journalism. There are others over the years, long
Speaker 5: before us, when he was fighting, that got to be
Speaker 5: close to Mohammad. And I think he only let you
Speaker 5: close if he enjoyed your company.
Speaker 2: This is a terrible time in the world for young men.
Speaker 1: The people that they have as role models are not
Speaker 1: the best folks out there. Young men are really struggling
Speaker 1: with their violence, with sort of a dead end life
Speaker 1: and not knowing where to go.
Speaker 2: You and I were lucky Craig Mortally.
Speaker 1: We were extremely lucky to have found Muhammad Ali, and
Speaker 1: we were extremely lucky to have had good parents. Let's
Speaker 1: give it back to those kids in the current generation.
Speaker 5: We are now joined by someone who has a deep
Speaker 5: personal connection to Muhammad Ali, the former heavyweight champion of
Speaker 5: the World, James Buster Douglas. Along with his longtime trainer
Speaker 5: and best buddy John Russell, James was a forty two
Speaker 5: to one underdog against the seemingly invincible Mike Tyson. Buster
Speaker 5: knocked out Mike Tyson in the tenth round in Tokyo, Japan,
Speaker 5: February eleventh, nineteen ninety. Gentlemen, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thanks for having me.
Speaker 6: When we were in Tokyo getting ready to fight Tyson,
Speaker 6: so he James puts his trunks on, then he puts
Speaker 6: his shoes on, and I look down at his shoes.
Speaker 6: He's got those red tassels on. I said, Man, he
Speaker 6: goes Ali Ali.
Speaker 2: Man, he wore him for Ali.
Speaker 4: It was the Honespeeda Heavyweight cham and it was first
Speaker 4: and foremost thinking about your idol, Muhammad Ali. Let your
Speaker 4: hands go, be quick and sharp and.
Speaker 6: Showing the world you had to emulate Ali, and Buster
Speaker 6: looked up to Ali.
Speaker 7: He had to move like Ali and use that jab.
Speaker 6: Ali was a big part of that win for us,
Speaker 6: a big part of that wine list.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 5: On a flight out to Tokyo, you had a copy
Speaker 5: of Sport magazine which had Davis's article Mike Tyson can
Speaker 5: be beat Iron. Mike's legend may be invincible, but he's not.
Speaker 5: You had a copy of that and you shared it
Speaker 5: with Buster playing right.
Speaker 6: I had had the magazine and I had read that,
Speaker 6: and I was like, the hell is this guy?
Speaker 7: He actually knew what he was talking about, Jesus.
Speaker 6: So I read the article a couple of times a
Speaker 6: matter of fact, and I says, I'm gonna show this
Speaker 6: to James because a lot of what we have been
Speaker 6: preparing to do for three months, right, James. So he
Speaker 6: read it, and then we both read it together and
Speaker 6: I said, it's kind of amazing.
Speaker 7: Yeah he did. David Davis knows what he's doing.
Speaker 6: But we're, hey, James, we're not giving him no money,
Speaker 6: or we're not going to give him no money for
Speaker 6: but we knew that he was We'll give him some credit. Yeah, yeah, No, Davis,
Speaker 6: he knew what he was talking about I was confident
Speaker 6: in Buster.
Speaker 7: But did I tell you we were going to beat
Speaker 7: Mike Tyson.
Speaker 6: No, I'd be lying because nobody was beating him, right,
Speaker 6: But I had confidence in James. I said, you got
Speaker 6: to get by the first two rounds and then by
Speaker 6: the sixth round.
Speaker 7: He came back to the corner. I said, we got him.
Speaker 5: Buster, take us to the tenth round, that final flurry
Speaker 5: of punches, and then you dropped Mike Tyson.
Speaker 4: I dropped him once I senhim reach in front of mouthpiece.
Speaker 4: I knew he was hurt then, and I knew it
Speaker 4: was over.
Speaker 2: I raised my hand.
Speaker 4: A childhood dream come true. I went in the heavyweight
Speaker 4: championship of the world. That's something that you always dream
Speaker 4: of as a child growing up. And that was my
Speaker 4: moment and I got it. I'll never forget it.
Speaker 5: You were in the corner and just before John was
Speaker 5: taking your gloves off, you notice the camera was pointing
Speaker 5: right at you. You mugged for the camera with your
Speaker 5: mouth opening, your hands up. Were you feeling ali then?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: That was that was the moment. I did it. You know,
Speaker 4: I like mugging for the camera, like what's my name?
Speaker 5: John? Not long after the Tyson fight you and Buster
Speaker 5: went to go see Ali and he revealed his reaction
Speaker 5: to the fight.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we went to this event and Buster was a
Speaker 6: guest and Ali was a guest. We got together and
Speaker 6: then Ali invited us up to his hotel suite. So
Speaker 6: Buster and I went up and we're talking back and forth,
Speaker 6: and Ali says.
Speaker 7: You want me to show you guys what I did.
Speaker 6: When you knocked up the brat. He called Tyson the brat,
Speaker 6: not Tyson, he called it the brat. So he sat
Speaker 6: down on the couch and then he's like he's watching
Speaker 6: TV like this, and then when Buster knocked him down,
Speaker 6: Ali got up off the couch and jumped with his
Speaker 6: hands straight up in the air and screamed, and he goes,
Speaker 6: that's what I did when you knocked out the Brent.
Speaker 6: Then he goes, I want you to do me a favor.
Speaker 6: Bus says, what's that? I want you to have don
Speaker 6: King cut his hair and us just said, what says?
Speaker 6: You could tell him you'll go back with him if
Speaker 6: he cuts his hair, and he'll do it because there's
Speaker 6: too much money involved.
Speaker 7: Just please do me that fav He was serious. He said,
Speaker 7: please do me that favorite. Then we sat there and
Speaker 7: we're talking.
Speaker 6: He looked over at me and he goes, look what
Speaker 6: Buster did to Tyson. He says, what do you think
Speaker 6: I would have done to him? He was very adamant,
Speaker 6: but he was funny as he was really happy for James.
Speaker 7: He was happy at he for Jim.
Speaker 4: And that that was one of the most exciting moments
Speaker 4: in my career.
Speaker 7: Mine too.
Speaker 4: I moved him, you know, my skills and talent just
Speaker 4: shocked and moved him, impressed him. That was a moment
Speaker 4: that I always remember the rest of my life.
Speaker 5: What were you thinking when you saw your hero out
Speaker 5: there severing through his illness.
Speaker 4: How strong he was, how he endured and he continued
Speaker 4: to push on. You know, he lived his life all
Speaker 4: the way to the end. He never gave up, stand
Speaker 4: up human being in a proud Black man.
Speaker 7: We still talk about him.
Speaker 6: I said, a week doesn't go by that we don't
Speaker 6: have a conversation about Ali.
Speaker 7: That's what kind of drew me.
Speaker 6: To Davis, because of Ali, because of his relationship with
Speaker 6: Ali and how much Ali liked him, and all that
Speaker 6: stuff that drew me to him. That honest guy that
Speaker 6: drew me to Davis.
Speaker 1: James Man, I really liked hanging with you way back
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety. I remember you told me the one
Speaker 1: thing you learned from Ali was to be kind to people.
Speaker 1: I learned that from him too. I was a shy,
Speaker 1: messed up kid who never talked to anybody, and Ali
Speaker 1: inspired me as a kid. But then when I got
Speaker 1: to know him as a grown up, as an adult,
Speaker 1: that's something I really picked up from him. If I
Speaker 1: could take my kids to drive through, I talked to
Speaker 1: whoever's behind the counter, Wahi's name in a lot I'll
Speaker 1: say every once a while. You know, I was friends
Speaker 1: with Muhammad Ali, and what he would say to you
Speaker 1: right now is he'd say.
Speaker 2: You are the prettiest, you are the greatest. Believe it
Speaker 2: and get out there and be it that lights people up.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that it had that effect on you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a beautiful thing. That's a beautiful thing. That's
Speaker 4: that's something that you can take with you. Or meeting
Speaker 4: Ali and being around Doley is to be humble and
Speaker 4: more outgoing, more acceptive to a lot of people that
Speaker 4: you may have not normally been like that. Absolutely, now
Speaker 4: there's something that you gain that you get from Ali.
Speaker 4: Being around Loley being in his presence.
Speaker 1: He treated almost everybody like family. Every once while he'd
Speaker 1: shy away from somebody. I trust his instincts on that,
Speaker 1: But for the most part, it was like he did
Speaker 1: with you guys.
Speaker 4: You know, it just rubs off on you.
Speaker 1: He treated people as if they really mattered and if
Speaker 1: they were part of his family, and they were part
Speaker 1: of him.
Speaker 4: In a strong presence, larger than life.
Speaker 1: I want to tell you my story of what happened
Speaker 1: after you knocked out Tyson. Everybody in the world started
Speaker 1: calling me. I worked out of the house and I
Speaker 1: had a phone upstairs. Back in the days when you know,
Speaker 1: there were no cell phones. Everything was still plugged into
Speaker 1: the wall. And the phone up in my office was ringing.
Speaker 1: The phone downstairs was ringing, and then it kept bringing upstairs,
Speaker 1: kept bringing downstairs. I was in bed asleep. I woke
Speaker 1: up and I answered the phone downstairs, and it was
Speaker 1: my wife's brother. He said, Tyson just got knocked out.
Speaker 1: Douglas just knocked out Tyson. I turned to my wife
Speaker 1: and I said, the brat just got knocked out. Then
Speaker 1: I went upstairs and checked on my phone in my
Speaker 1: office and it was all lit up, and I started
Speaker 1: playing back the messages. It was one from my editor
Speaker 1: at Sports magazine called me, Davis, this is great. You
Speaker 1: can't imagine the timing on this that you had that
Speaker 1: had to beat Mike Tyson piece and then Douglas knocked
Speaker 1: him out. And then it was like the fourth or
Speaker 1: fifth message there was his voice, and the voice said,
Speaker 1: they're still going to compare Tyson to me now, and
Speaker 1: it was behind. It was the same thing as when
Speaker 1: you met him in that hotel room. And so when
Speaker 1: I met you, I felt that connection too. You were
Speaker 1: the same size as Mohammed, which is another thing that
Speaker 1: was part of how you were just made to order
Speaker 1: to whoop Tyson's ass. Not only the jab, but you
Speaker 1: had that reach so mobile, the beautiful right hand, the
Speaker 1: beautiful uppercut, you had it, all, all the tools, and
Speaker 1: you put them together in that fight on that night.
Speaker 4: Total folks.
Speaker 6: Ali was to me was the greatest fighter of all time.
Speaker 6: And I think the only person that was close to
Speaker 6: him was Sugar Ray Robinson. Ali was the best of
Speaker 6: all time. And Jame's one of the nicest guys I've
Speaker 6: ever met in my life. He's just a special individual.
Speaker 6: He's carrying the whole time I've known him, I saw
Speaker 6: mad like maybe once.
Speaker 7: We rode Parley's together. So he had rode up to
Speaker 7: my house.
Speaker 6: I lived in an acron and he lived at Columbus,
Speaker 6: and I was going to go over to my aunt
Speaker 6: and to see my mom.
Speaker 7: My mom was over there. James, you want to go?
Speaker 7: He says, yeah, let's go. So he went over. It
Speaker 7: was my mother, my aunt, and my.
Speaker 6: Uncle in the house, all elderly, and so me and
Speaker 6: Buster rode our bikes went in the house. We had
Speaker 6: talked for quite a while and my aunt says to
Speaker 6: my mom.
Speaker 7: She goes, man, those two guys are good friends. And
Speaker 7: she goes, no, they're brothers.
Speaker 4: And that's him.
Speaker 7: That's how he is. Till my uncle died, and he
Speaker 7: lived to be like two months from a hundred.
Speaker 6: My aunt said every time someone come in that house
Speaker 6: and sit on that couch, he would look at them
Speaker 6: and say, that's exactly where Buster Douglas sat.
Speaker 7: That's Buster Douglas. That's Buster Douglas. One of the nicest
Speaker 7: men I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 1: He is a completely sweet man, James, and I felt
Speaker 1: that on you from the moment I first met you.
Speaker 1: It's a gift.
Speaker 4: Well, it was something that not only got from Ali,
Speaker 4: but with my mother and father as well. They were
Speaker 4: very charitable people. Growing up. A house was one of
Speaker 4: the central spots in the neighborhood where the kids came
Speaker 4: and hanged out at and my father worked at the
Speaker 4: rect Center as well. Boxing instructed when I started boxing
Speaker 4: back in the early seventies, So it was just something
Speaker 4: that carried over from there, and then media Iley just
Speaker 4: took it to another level because here was all time
Speaker 4: Idol was just as nice and kind and generous man's
Speaker 4: my parents was just a natural jail. I'm back at
Speaker 4: Columbus Parks and Wreck Boxing Instructed at the same department
Speaker 4: that I started my parmateur boxing career, at the same
Speaker 4: program and doing them my father did when I was
Speaker 4: ten when he introduced me to the sport.
Speaker 7: He's keeping those kids off the streets, is what he's doing.
Speaker 6: They love it, right, Yeah, guys coming in there are homeless,
Speaker 6: younger guys, and he takes them under his wing, gives
Speaker 6: them money, feeds them and they come every day to
Speaker 6: see them. They come every day to see them, and
Speaker 6: then their mother will call James and thank him.
Speaker 7: For what he's doing. For those guys. He's a good
Speaker 7: human being. That's what he is.
Speaker 4: Because I can see now the work that my father
Speaker 4: did back then. I run into individuals that was training
Speaker 4: with me as a kid that are productive citizens today,
Speaker 4: and they say how I follow a great influence on
Speaker 4: them as well, Billy Donomane Douglas, And you know that's
Speaker 4: a great, great feeling man full circle.
Speaker 1: On our next episode of the Down of Muhammad Ali,
Speaker 1: at twenty three years old, I fall in love for
Speaker 1: the first time.
Speaker 2: I fall hard, and when Lynn and.
Speaker 1: I decide to get married, I realized I can no
Speaker 1: longer play around at being Muhammad Ali Junior, not anymore commitment, responsibility,
Speaker 1: a new path alive with mystery, responsibility and disappointment. How
Speaker 1: would Muhammad Ali play into all this? Stay tuned to
Speaker 1: find out.
Speaker 2: Also, you had some really incredible questions and it took
Speaker 2: me back.
Speaker 1: Muhammad's daughter Rashida unveils stories about her fun, loving father
Speaker 1: during his later years.
Speaker 3: The questions made me cry, but also it just made
Speaker 3: me remember how a special daddy who was to all
Speaker 3: of us and my kids, and how he's missed every day.
Speaker 1: Next time, on the Dao of Muhammad Ali, the Dao
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Speaker 1: Podcast and hosted by me Davis Miller. My co host
Speaker 1: is Craig Mortally, Carl Welker, Mark Bouch, Nathan Kloke, Davis
Speaker 1: Miller and Derek Jennings are.
Speaker 2: The executive producers.
Speaker 1: Sound design and mixing by Juan Borda, music by DJ
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