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Speaker 1: gotta game. We're gonna preview, uh coming up here Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl game that we're all going to. Dane. You were
Speaker 1: at the East West game. We'll get into that a
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Speaker 1: on the Draft Show eight eight eight eight, five five
Speaker 1: two two nine seven. It should be on the right
Speaker 1: side of your screen there as we speak. Want to
Speaker 1: talk about Dane some of the things that you saw
Speaker 1: this week at the East West Game. The roster better
Speaker 1: not as good as what we've seen in the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: Phil Savage and those guys who've done a nice job
Speaker 1: with the rosters have come out and we've seen the names,
Speaker 1: but talk a little bit about guys that we need
Speaker 1: to pay attention to from the evaluations you had at
Speaker 1: practice the other day the last few days. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: for people that don't know East West Shrine Game as
Speaker 1: in Tampa every year, it's kind of you know, Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl is the A All Star Game, Shrine Games, the
Speaker 1: B All Star Game, so a lot of talent there.
Speaker 1: Last year's a couple of guys drafted top one hundred
Speaker 1: playing of draftable players. The game is the tomorrow Saturday,
Speaker 1: but I was there all week for practices. That's really
Speaker 1: where the heavy lifting is done. That's where you know,
Speaker 1: hundreds of scouts were there looking at these guys. All
Speaker 1: thirty two teams represented. And for me, the top guy
Speaker 1: going in was Javon Hargrave, defensive tackle out of South
Speaker 1: Carolina State, and he left right as I left. During
Speaker 1: the week, he was my top prospect, A really good player,
Speaker 1: three hundred fifteen pounds, moves really well, strong at the
Speaker 1: point of attack. So I think Javon Hargrave's a name
Speaker 1: that people need to know. Graham Glasgow, the center from Michigan.
Speaker 1: He just got a Senior Bowl invitation as well, so
Speaker 1: he was outstanding at the Shrine game during practice and
Speaker 1: we'll get a chance to see him as a Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl center. A little taller at six six, but really
Speaker 1: athletic moves well. It's amazing what Jim Harbaugh did, not
Speaker 1: only for that Michigan program, for those senior prossts. Hard
Speaker 1: for an Ohio State guy to say that too, by
Speaker 1: the way, unbiased with his grandmother. Right. Yeah, story, ESPN
Speaker 1: did a great story. Check it out. Yeah, a great story.
Speaker 1: And a couple more small school guys. Victor Ochi from
Speaker 1: Stony Brook. Stony Brooks never had a player drafted. This
Speaker 1: could could be the first little undersized pass rusher. Devondre
Speaker 1: Campbell linebacker Minnesota. A couple out of these guys. Not,
Speaker 1: these guys aren't as good as the players we'll see
Speaker 1: next week at the Senior Bowl. But these guys do
Speaker 1: have a chance to get drafted. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: this about the Michigan kid. Though. What you saw is
Speaker 1: Kelly your top I saw he was in and we're
Speaker 1: going to get into Dane's top fifth. Uh. That just
Speaker 1: came out on CBS. I think that's always a nice read.
Speaker 1: I retweeted the link out there that to to check
Speaker 1: that out. But you know, is Kelly your top center obviously?
Speaker 1: Is He's the only only center in the top fifty there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: in a position though, though, Dave that everybody seems to
Speaker 1: try and want but has trouble finding. Though not it's
Speaker 1: a position that everybody wants, but they don't like to
Speaker 1: spend resources on it. My first experience with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I mean what a month after I started when they
Speaker 1: drafted Travis Frederick and got murdered for it. Uh for
Speaker 1: taking him. I mean people, you know you could have
Speaker 1: gotten him in the third round. Centers don't go in
Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah. Now he's a two time Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl and this is a good year for centers. We
Speaker 1: might not have that first round guy this year. But
Speaker 1: you talked about Kelly from Alabama. Uh, the guys, we'll
Speaker 1: see it the Senior Bowl. H Martin Martin, you know Nick,
Speaker 1: Nick Martin. So a plenty of good centers in this
Speaker 1: Allen draft, Jack allenia Iowa, Iowa kid. Plenty of good
Speaker 1: centers that will start in the league. But we just
Speaker 1: don't have that first round guy. So if you need
Speaker 1: a starting center in this draft, you can get one second, third,
Speaker 1: fourth round. Yeah. Let me ask you this, And how
Speaker 1: did the sharp kid from U mass look? And this
Speaker 1: was this was a guy that got in I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say late because I'm way ahead of the game,
Speaker 1: but watch some tape him the other day. Measured in
Speaker 1: I thought he was a two hundred pound kid, but
Speaker 1: it measured in at one eighty eight. Hands, really good hands,
Speaker 1: and he's got some size to him sixty three six
Speaker 1: two and a half kind of a player. Though, what
Speaker 1: kind of week did did he have there? At at
Speaker 1: at the game? Yeah, he left MSS as the best
Speaker 1: wide receiver statistically in their program's history. Um, and he
Speaker 1: you know, going in he was probably the top receiver
Speaker 1: for me at the game, but he didn't really stand
Speaker 1: out that much. I thought Robbie Anderson, the Temple wide receiver,
Speaker 1: actually stood out a little more. And that's an interesting guy. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but for sharp thing that really concerned me his hands
Speaker 1: they were under eight inch inches and that's uh for
Speaker 1: wide receivers. You wanted nine nine and a half to
Speaker 1: sharpest who we're talking about. Yeah, and that's told me
Speaker 1: his hands were tiny. Yeah and that but you but
Speaker 1: you watched the tape of him playing, he's he's snatching
Speaker 1: the football. He is he is and he's a good player. Uh.
Speaker 1: But from this game, I felt better about Chris Brown,
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame wide receiver. Anderson from Temple. Um could
Speaker 1: juice the Stanford wide receiver as well. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think he's still probably a Day three type of player.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a top one hundred prospect, but
Speaker 1: I still think he's you know, in that day three discussion, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a to me. I think that everybody's looking for
Speaker 1: wide receivers. I mean that's a position though. But all
Speaker 1: these guys that you talked about fourth, fifth, sixth round
Speaker 1: type receivers. Yeah, I'm not sure any of these guys
Speaker 1: will break into that top one hundred, but probably early
Speaker 1: day three of four, fifth, sixth round. So you don't
Speaker 1: see Sharp as that type of guy. I don't see
Speaker 1: him as a top one hundre, right, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be somewhere in the in the middle
Speaker 1: late rounds. Yeah, i'd be. I'd be interested because I
Speaker 1: like the guy watching him on tape. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and and there was you know, there's games
Speaker 1: where they played some good competition. You can watch the
Speaker 1: Notre Dame game. He's making plays against Notre Dame. So
Speaker 1: I was, I was, I'm interested about that. So those
Speaker 1: are the guys though, anybody else stand out for you
Speaker 1: at this uh, at the at the practices that you
Speaker 1: feel like that everybody needs to take maybe take a
Speaker 1: little bit closer look at when they watched the game. Well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting this year with the quarterbacks the quarterback class.
Speaker 1: The Senior Bowl usually take six quarterbacks the top senior quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: This year they took the top eight, plus Connor Cook's
Speaker 1: not one of them, so that's you know, that's nine
Speaker 1: quarterbacks right there. So the Shrine Games getting the scraps,
Speaker 1: but that tells you how deep this class is. When
Speaker 1: the Shrine Game had Nate Sudfeld from Indiana, a lot
Speaker 1: of people like him, Brandon Dowdy from Western Western talking
Speaker 1: as well, so you know there was some strong quarterback
Speaker 1: played down there. You know, both these guys are more
Speaker 1: are their Day three guys. You know, they're not players
Speaker 1: we're going to see in the in the third round.
Speaker 1: But I thought they handled them themselves. Well. Keenan Reynolds
Speaker 1: from Navy, I just took quarterback. You know, he's he
Speaker 1: made the transition to running back and I just I'm
Speaker 1: not sure he looked natural at the position, but he
Speaker 1: just doesn't have the body power to live between the
Speaker 1: tackles and one hundred and ninety pounds. You know, you
Speaker 1: watched him get hit and he wasn't making anything happen
Speaker 1: after contact. But what I was really impressed with his
Speaker 1: ability to catch the ball. You know, he didn't catch.
Speaker 1: He had one catching college, and so no one knew
Speaker 1: what to expect with his hands. But he caught everything
Speaker 1: this week in practice. So I think, you know, Keenan
Speaker 1: Rounds is going to get drafted somewhere, probably late in
Speaker 1: the late rounds day three, and the team's going to
Speaker 1: figure out how to use him. Whether it's in the slot,
Speaker 1: whether it's maybe a you know, a scat back, third
Speaker 1: down type of role. Someone will figure out how to
Speaker 1: use Keenan Reynolds and utilize out athletics. Did he looked
Speaker 1: comfortable doing it because I was watching Braxton Miller, and
Speaker 1: Braxton Miller looks comfortable to me if you're gonna have
Speaker 1: a projection, And Braxton Miller, I think did a very
Speaker 1: smart thing initially, just saying, you know what, if you
Speaker 1: don't want me to play quarterback anymore, I'll go play
Speaker 1: wide receiver and try and and and start his journey along.
Speaker 1: Braxton Miller looks very comfortable playing wide receiver. To me,
Speaker 1: U unbelievable athlete, Braxon Miller, I mean game changing speed.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's just a different type of dude.
Speaker 1: I mean the guys just aren't you know, walking through
Speaker 1: the door like built like that as he's six one,
Speaker 1: two hundred fifteen pounds, right, I mean that's an Kuon
Speaker 1: Bolden size. And then but he's faster than Yeah Ank
Speaker 1: bolding ran a four seven. Braxon's gonna run in the
Speaker 1: four three eight to four four four range and in
Speaker 1: the forty yard dash. And plus he has the change
Speaker 1: of direction skills that you want. He can make you miss. Um.
Speaker 1: My biggest concern with Braxon Miller is just can he
Speaker 1: stay healthy? The durability, toughness over the middle. But no,
Speaker 1: you're right. I mean for a guy that it was
Speaker 1: a quarterback, he looks so natural at receiver. I'm really
Speaker 1: eager he's one of the players this next week at
Speaker 1: the Senior bowld. Yeah, and get into that if I
Speaker 1: can for a little bit here too, is we is
Speaker 1: we transition and into the Senior Bowl. I just want
Speaker 1: to marvel for a second that it's January twenty second
Speaker 1: second and we just spent a decent amount of time
Speaker 1: talking about guys from football powerhouses like South Carolina State, Temple, UMass, Navy.
Speaker 1: There was another one in there too, uh whatever, But yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not finding that anywhere else. No stuff. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's Dane Brugler stuff. That's that's the investigate and and
Speaker 1: then and then educated potatas it's unbelievable. Well that's good though,
Speaker 1: you know, let's go through these rosters a little bit.
Speaker 1: Some guys that I've highlighted it and and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start with I'll go with the Dallas flair here because
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and the staff will be coaching the North side.
Speaker 1: We got into Braxton Miller a little bit about Well, first,
Speaker 1: let me do this, Dane, when you first saw the roster,
Speaker 1: and Dave when you saw the roster as well, your
Speaker 1: initial impressions, you gotta give Phil Savage and his crew
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for and give the players credit
Speaker 1: too for wanting to step up up and be and
Speaker 1: be a part of this football game. Though, talk about
Speaker 1: indicial oppressions of the roster. And you know, I knew
Speaker 1: going in Carson Wentz was gonna be on the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Even if Carson Wentz, you know, was a south guy
Speaker 1: from Florida, he was gonna be on the North roster.
Speaker 1: That exactly. They were gonna get the Jaguars. They have
Speaker 1: their quarterback, right, Cowboys, they have a better possibility drafting quarterback,
Speaker 1: so that was going to happen. So I wasn't a
Speaker 1: surprise to see Carson Wentz on the North roster. But
Speaker 1: good to see all these defensive tackles. There are five week,
Speaker 1: all those defensive tackles right on the south roster. There's
Speaker 1: one defense a defensive tackle. I mean, they're they're putting
Speaker 1: some of these defensive tackles on this North roster. Uh.
Speaker 1: Knowing that the Cowboys second third round could be looking
Speaker 1: at some of these guys. Austin Johnson from Penn State,
Speaker 1: we talked about him last week. Really eager to see
Speaker 1: how he does, a fourth year junior who could be
Speaker 1: in the mix that early second round pick um. And
Speaker 1: then also going back to the quarterbacks, Uh, Jeff Driscoll
Speaker 1: Louisiana Tech. If the Cowboys do not get that quarterback
Speaker 1: at for overall or in the second round, Driscoll's the
Speaker 1: guy that I'd probably be targeting and somewhere in the
Speaker 1: mid round mix. A guy that shows a little bit
Speaker 1: of potential, a guy that you can develop. So eager
Speaker 1: to see what we what we can see from Jeff
Speaker 1: Driscoll this week. A lot of people just wrote him
Speaker 1: off after Florida. It was a disaster there, it was,
Speaker 1: but he reinvented himself as a prospect that Louisiana Tech
Speaker 1: this year. All the tools are there. He's a tremendous
Speaker 1: leader at a scout. Tell me he's the best leader
Speaker 1: he Driscoll is that this scout has seen in the
Speaker 1: last ten years scouting around the country. So, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Garrett's gonna love that, and so really eager to see
Speaker 1: how these quarterbacks fair, especially wentz In Driscoll. Well, what
Speaker 1: about Dave you last night on the North Side, Danes
Speaker 1: bringing it up, I'll talk about it. You talked about
Speaker 1: him first, well, Jacoby Brissett, Yeah, yeah, excuse me, Brissette, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get I'll drag it out for working on it.
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett like that guy. Yeah, talk about what you
Speaker 1: saw last night and I'll get Dane stop. But I'm
Speaker 1: interested in what you thought last I had to watching
Speaker 1: the young man from North Carolina State. Uh, well, we were,
Speaker 1: and I'm not hijacking. We were talking about Cardel Jones
Speaker 1: before we came on the show. Who's not at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, but like I think a very similar skill set,
Speaker 1: Like he's a big guy got a not as crazy
Speaker 1: of an arm as card L Jones, but he's got
Speaker 1: a really big arm again, And like, you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like this is something unless you're looking at Andrew Luck,
Speaker 1: Like these college quarterbacks are not great at going through
Speaker 1: progressions and reading defenses. So not amazing at that first
Speaker 1: read throw. But he's got like a poison an awareness
Speaker 1: about him that I really like. Like when the play
Speaker 1: falls apart, he doesn't panic. He he's got enough mobility
Speaker 1: to step around speed. Yeah, so he's a guy and
Speaker 1: it's so early, Like I'm if he plays well at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, his stock is undoubtedly going to rise.
Speaker 1: But I mean he seems like a guy that people
Speaker 1: are kind of writing off. What I mean, we were
Speaker 1: thinking fourth fifth round grade probably like that type of guy.
Speaker 1: A quarterback. It's such a valuable position that I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be surprised at all if he bumps that
Speaker 1: up with you know, some good performances over the next
Speaker 1: couple months. But he's he's I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's the obvious guys. We've already beaten goff, Wins and
Speaker 1: Lynch into the ground, and we will continue to do
Speaker 1: so for good reason. But there's another six to ten
Speaker 1: guys that are worth talking about who even maybe maybe
Speaker 1: not at four, maybe not at thirty four, but once
Speaker 1: you get into that third, fourth, fifth round, you could
Speaker 1: find a guy who not an immediate starter. But that's
Speaker 1: not what I'm looking for if I'm the Cowboys anyway.
Speaker 1: And I know, I mean that will spark an argument
Speaker 1: if you say it to the wrong person, because some
Speaker 1: people think you need to have a guy that's ready
Speaker 1: to go immediately in case Romo breaks his collarbone in
Speaker 1: a week two again, but get a guy in the
Speaker 1: fourth round who can sit around and learn for a year,
Speaker 1: two years, three years doesn't sound terrible to me, Dan,
Speaker 1: It just did. Dave Is he's talking more that fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth round kind of guy. That's that's really what I'm interested. No,
Speaker 1: that's what I yeah, And that's I think. I think.
Speaker 1: I think he painted a pretty fair picture of this kid.
Speaker 1: Dan talk about though in the skill set though that
Speaker 1: you see with this particular player. Well, yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know we talked about it with this quarterback class, how
Speaker 1: deep it is. I mean, we're gonna have over a
Speaker 1: dozen quarterbacks drafted this year. And while it you know,
Speaker 1: at the top I don't. I still think we don't
Speaker 1: have that Winston or Mariota, but we have some good
Speaker 1: players that are gonna be taken mid to late rounds.
Speaker 1: And you know, going back to Jacoby Brissett, he's built
Speaker 1: really well and he has a big arm. I just
Speaker 1: I don't see him use that arm enough. I don't
Speaker 1: think he trusts downfield throws. I don't think he trusts
Speaker 1: what he sees um. You know, he's really tough in
Speaker 1: the pocket. Guys, I'll just fall right off of him
Speaker 1: and he create and extend plays with his legs and
Speaker 1: just a sheer size. I just don't see him making
Speaker 1: enough impact plays with his arm. And so I think
Speaker 1: he has the arm to do it, just haven't seen
Speaker 1: it on tape. There were a half a dozen reps
Speaker 1: that we saw where he decided to rifle it to
Speaker 1: the curl route or the drag route rout and like
Speaker 1: he had a guy with a step, you know, down
Speaker 1: the outside. He didn't want to do a lot to
Speaker 1: try to make a lot of tight window throws like
Speaker 1: way too many, Like way too many were like the cornerbacks,
Speaker 1: like hanging off the receiver and he throws it to
Speaker 1: him anyway. He or Hogan from Stanford have to have
Speaker 1: maybe a better week at the Senior Bowl. Which one
Speaker 1: that's good, No, it's good. I think both in the
Speaker 1: same tier in terms of, you know, quarterbacks in this class.
Speaker 1: To me, I think Hogan that delivery the streaky accuracy.
Speaker 1: To me, Hogan's a future backup. And I think Brissette
Speaker 1: has a little bit more upside where I think you
Speaker 1: can get a little bit more out of him that
Speaker 1: we haven't seen to this point. I think both. I
Speaker 1: don't see either of them as a future NFL starter,
Speaker 1: to be honest, but I think both can be backups
Speaker 1: in this league. But I do think Brissette offers a
Speaker 1: little bit more upside coaches get a little bit more
Speaker 1: out of him. I think you both have done a
Speaker 1: nice job of painting a picture of the player I
Speaker 1: agree with. But I like the arm talent though, and
Speaker 1: I and You're right, I don't think we needed to
Speaker 1: see more of those down the field type of throws.
Speaker 1: I'm just naturally more intrigued by the guy who's getting
Speaker 1: less of the spotlight, you know, Like I mean, I,
Speaker 1: whether I want to talk about him or not, Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz is gonna be in the spotlight, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's the guy. So I'm gonna go over here and
Speaker 1: look at the guy that maybe he's not getting as
Speaker 1: much attention. That's more interesting. Let's focus in on Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz this week. Then, Well, before we do that, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I just we're talking about you know, the Cowboys got
Speaker 1: wins on their roster. They got these defensive tackles like
Speaker 1: Phil Savage, probably trying to do the coaching staff a
Speaker 1: couple of favors. It's fair to say that probably happened
Speaker 1: with the Jaguars too, right, I mean, so I would
Speaker 1: be curious to know, and I don't know what their
Speaker 1: needs are. Maybe you do, I mean, you know, the draft.
Speaker 1: Maybe a guy that you would have liked to see
Speaker 1: the Cowboys working with that is with Jacksonville instead for
Speaker 1: that very reason, because there were some names that I
Speaker 1: was hoping to see on the Dallas roster that wound
Speaker 1: up on the other side. Well, I think the best
Speaker 1: player in Mobile is Noah Spense Eastern Kentucky. He's a
Speaker 1: PA kid, went to Ohio State, then transferred Eastern Kentucky.
Speaker 1: So you could make easy, easy argument he should be
Speaker 1: on the North roster. But he is on the South roster.
Speaker 1: I think he's the most talented player that we will
Speaker 1: see in Mobile. Has his baggage, a lot of baggage,
Speaker 1: but again, I think he's the most talented player there.
Speaker 1: So really eager to see how he fares. You know,
Speaker 1: the Alabama players, Reggie Ragland, Yes, you know, we knew
Speaker 1: those guys who are gonna be on the South roster.
Speaker 1: They always are. But um, you know, I think you know,
Speaker 1: going back to uh, the best player I think is
Speaker 1: gonna be the Eastern Kentucky Pass roster. So yeah, keep
Speaker 1: an eye two on the South roster too. With the
Speaker 1: rankings Kid Sheldon Rankings from Louisville, I think when he
Speaker 1: can DJ, they talk about him as the three technique.
Speaker 1: This kid is right behind him in my opinion, if
Speaker 1: you know you're talking potentially could be Louisville, could potentially
Speaker 1: be a first round pick. I think this rosters really
Speaker 1: really outstanding. I think Phil and the and the players
Speaker 1: give them a lot of credit that this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a really a nice week. Okay, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: our first break and then we're gonna get back with
Speaker 1: some twitter on the twenty and then we're also gonna
Speaker 1: take some of your calls, and uh, we'll do some
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Speaker 1: Brian broad Is, Dane Brugler, David Hellman, Kent Garrison, executive producer.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a call. We're gonna go to the
Speaker 1: great state of Tennessee. Phil, We're all doing great today.
Speaker 1: What is your question for the Draft show? Please? I
Speaker 1: think he just hung up when you put him on
Speaker 1: the air. Okay, he got scared, Phil got little nervous.
Speaker 1: Plenty of players, so Tennessee is gonna have a really
Speaker 1: good team. We're just trying to fill some airtime. Ah,
Speaker 1: and Phil's not there. We go. Okay, some news just
Speaker 1: came down, Dane. You've been on this following you on Twitter.
Speaker 1: You said that we were going to get the list
Speaker 1: of the juniors that have declared for the NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: and that list has just come out, So go ahead
Speaker 1: with that information. NFL officially released the underclassman list one
Speaker 1: hundred and seven total players, which is a new record.
Speaker 1: Uh ninety six are true juniors. Guys that are leaving
Speaker 1: school early with eligibility than an additional eleven have already graduated,
Speaker 1: but technically they had eligibility left, so uh, they were
Speaker 1: technically underclassmen. So one hundred and seven total, which is
Speaker 1: a new record. The previous record was one hundred and two,
Speaker 1: which was done two years ago. So only the second
Speaker 1: time ever we've had triple digits for these underclassmen. And
Speaker 1: you know, no, no surprises, guys, we already knew. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, just you know, looking at the list, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, these are all guys that we knew were
Speaker 1: coming out, you know, guys like Joey Bosa, uh, Larmie Tunsol,
Speaker 1: all the top guys. So no big surprises. A few
Speaker 1: small school players we didn't know, Buttim Cookman has a
Speaker 1: guard on here, guys like that. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: guys we already knew. And you know, NFL has been
Speaker 1: trying to keep this number low, you know, because over
Speaker 1: the last two years, over a third of these players
Speaker 1: I've come out early have gone undrafted. And so you know,
Speaker 1: I went back and you know, did all the research
Speaker 1: and thirty four point four percent and that's a big number.
Speaker 1: And you know, these players there, it's not about going
Speaker 1: in the first round anymore. It's about get that second contract.
Speaker 1: And so if you're a second, third, fourth rounder, a
Speaker 1: lot of these kids are okay with that. They just
Speaker 1: want to go and try to get second contracts sooner.
Speaker 1: But a lot of these guys wanted me to make
Speaker 1: it the training camp, and so it's an unfortunate thing.
Speaker 1: But you don't want to see how it shakes out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the NFL doing the best they can to help the
Speaker 1: college programs to keep those kids in. A lot of
Speaker 1: kids are ready, but like you said, the number is
Speaker 1: pretty staggering of the numbers that don't don't make it
Speaker 1: or don't get drafted. So that's unfortunate that side of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go to a staple that are a good friend
Speaker 1: ed K Hill invented three years ago. It is Twitter
Speaker 1: on the Twitter on the Twitter. With that being said,
Speaker 1: I turned the show over to David Hellman and he
Speaker 1: gets all your Twitter questions answered. Okay, we'll start out
Speaker 1: with a good question something I feel like people probably
Speaker 1: roll their eyes about given the Cowboys history at the
Speaker 1: position recently, But Diane wants to know where do you
Speaker 1: view tight end as a first of all, I guess
Speaker 1: the class, but also as a draftable position for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's easy to write it off because Jason
Speaker 1: Witten continues to chug along, but James Hanna is a
Speaker 1: free agent. Gavin Escobar injured, doesn't figure the factor early
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, if at all, because of his Achilles injury.
Speaker 1: So how do you feel about that? You got to
Speaker 1: tight end stain? I mean I know that obviously that
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry is the top rated one, but he's but
Speaker 1: he is a catcher, not a blocker. No, that's the
Speaker 1: and that's the thing. If you're looking for it, will
Speaker 1: never find another Jason Witten. I don't believe everyone needs
Speaker 1: a blocking Yeah, this team needs, you know. But Hunter
Speaker 1: Henry Gerald Adams, though, is South Carolina an interesting guy? Long,
Speaker 1: tall at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: More of getting away type of blocker though, But I
Speaker 1: like his athletic ability down the field as well. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: he didn't impress me. He can he can go down
Speaker 1: the steam and do something good size an athlete, He
Speaker 1: picks up steam as he goes right, that type of
Speaker 1: he is a long strider of a runner. Right exact.
Speaker 1: It's a more impressed with his third and fourth steps
Speaker 1: as a route runner, and so I think, yeah, a
Speaker 1: guy will see in mobile as a big bone, natural frame.
Speaker 1: He's going to develop. You've seen him in line, we've
Speaker 1: seen him backfield, but overall, this tight end class hunter,
Speaker 1: Henry's the number one guy, clear kiss. But have you
Speaker 1: done the Hooper kid from Stanford yet? Yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: just look at him. You know, we've seen him in line.
Speaker 1: He seen him block a little bit. He's a good
Speaker 1: route runner, he's a good catcher of the football. It
Speaker 1: just doesn't It's like a vanilla player though, right, very
Speaker 1: just steady, nothing spectacular. And then usually with these guys,
Speaker 1: I want that one distinguishing trait, you know, the one
Speaker 1: thing that I can hang my hat on. This guy
Speaker 1: does extremely well, right, Hooper just does everything pretty well,
Speaker 1: pretty well. Right, That's isn't a bad thing. But you
Speaker 1: know he is what he is. But you're right about Henry.
Speaker 1: He blocking, he tries, he gives it everything. He has
Speaker 1: efforts there, he tries to get in the way and
Speaker 1: then you see him get pushed back. He can't make
Speaker 1: the call. But when they say throw the ball, get down,
Speaker 1: the field, make a catch, run a route across the middle,
Speaker 1: get up to seem like you said, he can do
Speaker 1: all that. His route acceleration, he has the best hands
Speaker 1: of any tight end this class. He had zero drops
Speaker 1: this year. It's just a really good player. Absolutely. Okay,
Speaker 1: day we touched on him a minute ago, and he's
Speaker 1: a guy that's a senior Bowl, So I think it's relevant.
Speaker 1: Leo wants to know, what do you what do you
Speaker 1: see from Braxton Miller as a as a pro? I mean,
Speaker 1: what how does he fit here? Is he see that
Speaker 1: deep threat? What are you looking at if you actually
Speaker 1: wind up drafting this guy? And this is my question,
Speaker 1: I mean, where do you project him? I did include
Speaker 1: him in my top fifty players. Yeah he should because
Speaker 1: he when you're that size and you can move like
Speaker 1: he does. Uh, and you're a good kid. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at Philip Dorset last year, taken in the first
Speaker 1: round because he could run real fast. I mean, Brixton
Speaker 1: Miller's bigger and can run almost as fast, and so
Speaker 1: I know there's gonna be a transition for him. You know,
Speaker 1: he's only played one season as a receiver and he
Speaker 1: wasn't even a receiver. He was an h back that
Speaker 1: that was his starting role this past year for the
Speaker 1: Buck guys. But he did run some routes, they did
Speaker 1: use him in different ways and they really underutilized him.
Speaker 1: Wish we could have seen more Braxon Miller this year.
Speaker 1: I only had about twenty six catches. But I think
Speaker 1: he's going to have to be a gadget players first
Speaker 1: year while he gets acclimated the pro game, learns his routes,
Speaker 1: learns you know, how to beat NFL coverages. But by
Speaker 1: year two, I do think Braxon Miller can start in
Speaker 1: this league. I don't disagree with you one bit. And
Speaker 1: I like the fact Derek Dooley is going to get
Speaker 1: to coach him here that with on that north side.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, and I said the word comfortable.
Speaker 1: Braxton Miller looks comfortable. He doesn't look out of place
Speaker 1: trying to play wide receiver because you will see some
Speaker 1: routes where he take when he starts on the slant
Speaker 1: and he plants and he explodes inside. And I've seen
Speaker 1: him adjust for low balls and games ball on the ground.
Speaker 1: I've seen him. I've seen him play well. Dave. We
Speaker 1: were watching last night, play breaks down, play breaks down,
Speaker 1: he's extending. I mean he's having the awareness to try
Speaker 1: and find space to get open. Former quarterback, he understands
Speaker 1: that exactly. So you're right comfortable there is You're talking
Speaker 1: about six one, two hundred fifteen pound guy that runs
Speaker 1: four four two probably run better than that. I am
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing him at I think I think
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna come away from the Senior Bowl going and
Speaker 1: I'm sure the scouts already know that he could play receiver.
Speaker 1: I think America and all the and and our folks
Speaker 1: overseas that Dan turn that follow the scouts or follow
Speaker 1: the draft, you guys will see him as well as
Speaker 1: well as Hey, how he plays. I think he's an
Speaker 1: outstanding football player. How did Ohio State not make it
Speaker 1: into the playoff? We'll never know. Yeah, they're the most
Speaker 1: talented teams. Should have handed that ball to fifteen more
Speaker 1: time in that Michigan State game. I'm not wrong going there.
Speaker 1: This is this is something the Cowboys have done recently.
Speaker 1: We've talked We've talked a lot of Miles Jack and
Speaker 1: uh Jalen Smith. No, but Jeremy wants to hear about
Speaker 1: some mid round, third fourth round linebacker options. Obviously with
Speaker 1: Anthony Edgins and Damian Wilson that has been a round
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have not been afraid of. I guess just
Speaker 1: your your middle tier guys, maybe even some guys at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl that you like that play the linebacker spot.
Speaker 1: You've got a couple of guys there, Dan, you want
Speaker 1: to talk about. Yeah, you know a guy that I
Speaker 1: know you guys have seen quite a bit, Deon Jones
Speaker 1: LSU A player who surprised he didn't start until his
Speaker 1: senior year. Yeah, and you know I wondered why. I
Speaker 1: wonder right, Yeah, I talked to him about it, and
Speaker 1: I you know, I asked him, did not bother you
Speaker 1: he didn't start until your senior year? He said, no,
Speaker 1: I just waited my turn, and I was ready for
Speaker 1: my opportunity. And he was this year as a senior
Speaker 1: playing next to Kendall back with I mean, he was
Speaker 1: more than ready. And where I was really impressed with
Speaker 1: Deon Jones is his coverage. His ability to stick with
Speaker 1: tight ends, stick backside of the backfield, A very good
Speaker 1: reactive athleticism, and a smart player for a player that
Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of on field reps on defense,
Speaker 1: A pretty smart player as well. So this is a
Speaker 1: kid that showed up at one hundred ninety five pounds.
Speaker 1: He's filled out his frame and really made the most
Speaker 1: of his moment. Less Miles called him a very bright player,
Speaker 1: So I think Dion Jones. He's wearing number zero at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, so it's gonna be hard to miss
Speaker 1: him for his number and because he's a darn good player. Yeah. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Ban Ahead. He went to my high school,
Speaker 1: so I gotta give a shouts out to that. He
Speaker 1: is a bright guy. I've met him before. I'm not
Speaker 1: thrilled by his size. He I mean, he's one of
Speaker 1: those John Javis linebackers who he's all about the speed
Speaker 1: and less about the size. So I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: I've I've seen him with as high as like a
Speaker 1: third round grade, which honestly, as an LSU fan, kind
Speaker 1: of surprises me. Um. I mean, his speed is undeniable.
Speaker 1: He loves to hit. I define, I mean he'll he'll
Speaker 1: out he has a future in the NFL, just as
Speaker 1: a special teamer at the very least, but I will
Speaker 1: be interested to see to see how well he can perform.
Speaker 1: Him overall, I think he's a borderline top one hundred
Speaker 1: type of player. You know that, And you know you
Speaker 1: always tend to undervalue the guys you know, because you
Speaker 1: don't want us top. But that's surprising to me. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know he's a hell of an athlete. I'm just
Speaker 1: not sure how well he fits into an NFL. So
Speaker 1: you're right about the side, you know, six one two
Speaker 1: twenty five issue. Well, we'll see officially what he weighs
Speaker 1: in at Senior Bowl. Another guy, Tyler Madakavich from Temple,
Speaker 1: and this is going to be an interesting one because
Speaker 1: he's so productive in college over one hundred tackles the
Speaker 1: last four seas, each of the last four seas, right,
Speaker 1: only a seventh player ever to do that. He's not
Speaker 1: the best athlete, not the biggest, not the strongest, five
Speaker 1: eleven six. I think it's exactly. But we've seen these
Speaker 1: types of guys before who you know, they don't have
Speaker 1: the measurables, but they just find ways to make plays.
Speaker 1: And so is Tyler Matacay which one of them. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be an interesting evaluation of the Senior Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me give you a name of a guy, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people have talked about Eric Striker from
Speaker 1: Oklahoma gotta play will I think, and he is a
Speaker 1: he is short, and he and he and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of times we were watching him and he and
Speaker 1: he just four guy gets stuck trying to do something
Speaker 1: with the tackle every single time. Now, if you could
Speaker 1: put him free on the back side and let him run,
Speaker 1: he can do that. He's but he is short, and
Speaker 1: he's felt bad for him. He does that scheme, doesn't
Speaker 1: I think he's a better player, but the scheme does
Speaker 1: him no favorites. Let me give you one more guy,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if he's a fit, but I'd
Speaker 1: play him as a SAM linebacker here and let him rush.
Speaker 1: I think he's a three four outside linebacker. Is the
Speaker 1: kid from is the kid from a Utah state? And
Speaker 1: that's a yeah, Kyler Facrol, Yeah, I mean, yeah, he
Speaker 1: is a He is a one of those guys that
Speaker 1: when you watch him play, he can extend, he can control,
Speaker 1: he can shed, and he can tackle. And what they
Speaker 1: do is they put his hand in the dirt and
Speaker 1: he can rush. And he's got pass rush moves. He's
Speaker 1: a swat, swim, push grab. I mean, he's got an
Speaker 1: idea of how to get to the quarterback. And that's
Speaker 1: that's something though when you watch him play at the
Speaker 1: point of attack, make plays, and then you watch him rush.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I think some three four teams are
Speaker 1: gonna fall in love now maybe maybe again the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: It's I had him in the second round, and he
Speaker 1: might and he might very well go in the first.
Speaker 1: He might very well go on first. Yeah, because he's
Speaker 1: if you looked at the bottom of whoever those three
Speaker 1: four teams at the bottom, keep an eye on him
Speaker 1: at the Sea Bowl. He people are gonna Dane's gonna
Speaker 1: be tweeting about him. You're gonna be tweeting about him,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be tweeting about him. He's that kind
Speaker 1: of football Kyler fact role. Yet I'm ready to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on him. Uh. This is from Chris, and
Speaker 1: I just really want to hear y'all argue, because I
Speaker 1: assume you will. Um, He says, Joey Bosa and Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey are both there at four and who are you
Speaker 1: taking and why I'm taking Ramsey myself? I had a
Speaker 1: feeling you would for this team or just in general,
Speaker 1: let's just do it for this team because it's easier, right,
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's tough because I do have Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey on my top fifty that I released today, Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey three, Joey Bosa four, So I do have Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey just and you know, a hair above. But for
Speaker 1: this team, you know, it's all about pass rush and
Speaker 1: if Great Carty's not back, I think I might lean
Speaker 1: Bosa don't. I'm not sure I'm going defensive back two
Speaker 1: years in a row. But they're both outstanding players and
Speaker 1: we're splitting hairs at this point. I mean, both guys
Speaker 1: are going to impact the game in different ways. They're versatile,
Speaker 1: their tags are touched on your board and that you're
Speaker 1: saying or you gotta. I mean it's like that you
Speaker 1: could go either way and feel good about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and not riding the fence you're not right. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I think because you're talking about two different positions and
Speaker 1: to do ways they impact the game. I think Larrey
Speaker 1: me Tonsil is a clear cut number one, and then
Speaker 1: I think two through six or seven you could really be,
Speaker 1: you know, interchangeable. To me, I mean, I think they're
Speaker 1: all in the same tier. Guys like the Miles, Jack Laquon,
Speaker 1: tread Rolls, Zeke uh Jalen Ramsey, Joey bos So. All
Speaker 1: these guys are in that same tier where if you're
Speaker 1: picking top five to six this year, you're gonna a
Speaker 1: darn good play. See. But he had Zeke at number five.
Speaker 1: It's best place. But I'm just telling him he's gonna
Speaker 1: not do it because it's weird. I mean, we talked
Speaker 1: about it a little bit last week, Like no other
Speaker 1: position is like that, where I pretty much agree with
Speaker 1: Dane that I just don't know that the best running
Speaker 1: back on the board is worth going top five, even
Speaker 1: if he is a top Ask him who has the
Speaker 1: least holes in his top five? He'll tell you Zeke.
Speaker 1: We'll ask him, it's who has the least holes, and
Speaker 1: you're tire to It's the same for quarterbacks, except the
Speaker 1: opposite exactly. You know, good answer it's written it's you
Speaker 1: can overlook a perfect running back because you don't want
Speaker 1: to take him that high, but then take up dude
Speaker 1: with a lot of questions and put him all the
Speaker 1: way up in the top five because he plays quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not fair, but what do he wants?
Speaker 1: This is This is why scouts it's not a good profession.
Speaker 1: It's just it's not cons We love it, but it's
Speaker 1: not a good profession. Get any more questions here? Day, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Johnny shout out. Anybody that uses a Garrett phrase is
Speaker 1: good in my book. He's talking about position flex with
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys are huge on. Uh. He's asking Kenyan Drake,
Speaker 1: the Alabama backup UH worked in the slot, obviously plays
Speaker 1: running back. Maybe a Dunbar type of guy. If they
Speaker 1: opt not to resign Dunbar, is Johnny onto something here?
Speaker 1: What do you think about young Drake? To me, Drake
Speaker 1: is proof that there is such a thing as moving
Speaker 1: too fast, because that's that's fair. Drake has tremendous speed
Speaker 1: and he hits it quickly. The acceleration, the start stop
Speaker 1: quickness is there. But he moves too fast. He doesn't
Speaker 1: you know, he's not a chess player where he sets
Speaker 1: up his moves and sees things and it's chao absolutely
Speaker 1: and and you know, I think when we were watching
Speaker 1: tape of him, you said it. He looks like a
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the backfield with a slim frame. Just
Speaker 1: the way he moves and he doesn't have a big
Speaker 1: catch radius. If if you the quarterback delivers the ball
Speaker 1: at his chest, he's gonna catch it. It's anywhere else,
Speaker 1: he's probably gonna drop it. And so that's gonna limit
Speaker 1: his value as a third down guy. But we saw
Speaker 1: in the National Title game on special teams the impact
Speaker 1: that he can make and and just with the ball
Speaker 1: in his hands. He's an exciting player. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: like Kenyan Drake, but you know he does you know,
Speaker 1: he's a hyperactive runner and sometimes I don't get him
Speaker 1: in trouble. Yeah, I totally agree with Dane on this,
Speaker 1: but you're absolutely right, he's he is one of the
Speaker 1: A fun player to watch was the Urban Kid if
Speaker 1: you want to talk about from Santa. Yeah, Santa, Say,
Speaker 1: who's a shorter player Tyler Ran, Yes, yeah, and you
Speaker 1: can see what he weighs in at too, I mean
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty pounds. No, he's somewhere between one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty one hundred and eighty. He's somewhere exactly.
Speaker 1: But but you watch him on tape and remember he
Speaker 1: gets Auburn, he's like he's dashed that. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: like Lsu played Auburn earlier and they're running with they
Speaker 1: were running our buddy in there and their power playing powerball,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden the urban said, well, Santos
Speaker 1: say is like, well, maybe the way to run the
Speaker 1: ball against Auburn is just slamming at him. And they're
Speaker 1: taking this kid. He was a fun, fun, fun player
Speaker 1: to watch as far as the running backs, but also
Speaker 1: but also the motion and throw him the football, yeah
Speaker 1: he has. He has a better catch radius than what
Speaker 1: you were talking about. Al al Borgeous, the offensive coordiner
Speaker 1: for his hand Jose State understood how to use him
Speaker 1: right now, was so critical watching him on tape. They
Speaker 1: just get him in space. Let him be an athlete. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the reason I give him a chance because he
Speaker 1: is an undersized guy, and I do give him a chance.
Speaker 1: It's because he's quick to read his blocks. He finds
Speaker 1: this a little sliver of space and he goes. And
Speaker 1: that's tough though too. I mean he gets tough, absolutely
Speaker 1: no question. So spends very little time in the backfield,
Speaker 1: reads it, goes, gets whatever he can and then does
Speaker 1: it again in the next place. So I do give
Speaker 1: Tyler Evern a chance, even though he's you know, like
Speaker 1: we said one hundred and eighty pounds, soaking a wet Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's a fun player to watch because you
Speaker 1: know Mike McIntyre, he used to be the coach there
Speaker 1: is now at Colorado and Mike Kid had it going
Speaker 1: at San Jose a little bit that they're starting to
Speaker 1: get better players. And are you, I'm sorry, are you
Speaker 1: convinced he's got a draft grade. Maybe he's another dumbar too,
Speaker 1: in the sense that you can sign him after it's over.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, well we had that, We had that that
Speaker 1: that situation. I had him in the six myself because
Speaker 1: I'm looking it's a trade steal with me, dan and
Speaker 1: and sure, the height, the weight and all that's not
Speaker 1: gonna be great. But this kid can do some things
Speaker 1: for you as far as you can create opportunities for him.
Speaker 1: And he's got the toughness, he's got the explosiveness, and
Speaker 1: he's got the quickness. It's a trade steal. It's interesting
Speaker 1: to me. Well, you just can't predict how that shakes out.
Speaker 1: That I think we all agreed that Lucky Whitehead had
Speaker 1: was a six or seventh round pick too, and they
Speaker 1: were able to sign him. That's exactly where they had him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you never know. I think this kid might get drafted.
Speaker 1: I get drafted just because of traits. It might come
Speaker 1: down to mobile too. Yeah. Sure, Okay, we're gonna take
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Speaker 1: we've always hour. And just make sure you're nice to
Speaker 1: Ken about your your question and get to it and
Speaker 1: Kent will turn it over to you. Sure. Lorenzo, North Carolina, Lorenzo, Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead. Hey, Brian, I want you to pose this
Speaker 1: question because other guys on the other show for me,
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, Um, sir, but this is what
Speaker 1: I want to say them. But everybody think we should
Speaker 1: draft the quarterback with that first peak, any of y'all
Speaker 1: fear the fact that UM no quarterback. But except for
Speaker 1: Romo has really done Will in this system of justing gears.
Speaker 1: And I read on nht end that that Lanahan said
Speaker 1: they basically ran the same plays as they did last year.
Speaker 1: So with that unwillingness to change up, it might be
Speaker 1: Romo is a good player that can operate this offense.
Speaker 1: So we draft the quarterback with that first pick. Is
Speaker 1: anybody scared that the quarterback might be okay but not
Speaker 1: adapt then to what he does Will and just speaking
Speaker 1: with the same system might make the quarterback, you know,
Speaker 1: the quarterback picks seem like, oh man, that's a bad pick.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what I'm saying. What do you
Speaker 1: all guys think about that? All right? Thank you learn?
Speaker 1: Thanks um. I mean, I think it's a fair I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're going back to the season, I think it's
Speaker 1: a fair criticism that maybe they didn't adapt the offense
Speaker 1: or Taylor the offense the right way. But I mean
Speaker 1: you're talking about a why and I know Brandon Whedon
Speaker 1: was a first round pick, but I think you're talking
Speaker 1: about a wide spectrum of talent between Kellen Moore and
Speaker 1: Matt Castle and Brandon Whedon between what you would hopefully
Speaker 1: be getting fourth overall in the NFL Draft. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's up to them to make that evaluation and draft
Speaker 1: the right guy. But if they think Jared Goff is
Speaker 1: worthy of a top five pick, I would I mean,
Speaker 1: that should be a guy that's going to excel in
Speaker 1: damn near any offense. Of course, I mean, and obviously
Speaker 1: the staff needs to taylor it properly to him and
Speaker 1: all that type of stuff, but you're talking about a
Speaker 1: different type of talent level. No one knows his offense
Speaker 1: better than Jason Garrett, and so they're not going to
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback at four unless Jason Garrett is totally
Speaker 1: on board with it. You know, it's not like the
Speaker 1: scout's gonna say, well, we like this guy, we're going
Speaker 1: to draft him, so you got to figure out how
Speaker 1: to use them. They're not going to draft the quarterback
Speaker 1: and four unless Jason Garrett says, yes, I want this guy.
Speaker 1: So you know, I like I said, no one knows
Speaker 1: his offense better than Jason Garrett. So if they draft
Speaker 1: a quarterback at four, Jason Garrett must be pretty sold that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a guy that he can work with,
Speaker 1: and you know he'll find out next week about Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: I mean no One in the NFL. After next week,
Speaker 1: we'll have a better understanding of Carson Wentz, his thought process,
Speaker 1: his strengths, his weaknesses better than Jason Garrett. And that's
Speaker 1: a huge advantage in something that will really go along
Speaker 1: with the organization. Will have a great group. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think too, though. If we a bunch of names about Manziel,
Speaker 1: we've also heard RG three. If they're willing to go
Speaker 1: out and try and get one of those guys, Scott
Speaker 1: Lenahan and them had better changed the offensive. But if
Speaker 1: there's one of those guys, no doubt that that'll tell
Speaker 1: you a lot about the willingness to say, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: going to continue to do this or we're gonna try
Speaker 1: and do whatever. They didn't do a very good job
Speaker 1: of adapting to what their quarterbacks were able to do
Speaker 1: last year. In my opinion, it's I think you're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: and I think one way or another, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: really interesting because I mean, it could be Kelly Moore,
Speaker 1: it could be Jared Goff, it could be John Manziel.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say right now, but I mean there's
Speaker 1: I think there's going to be a free agent signed
Speaker 1: at quarterback and I think there'll be a draft pick too,
Speaker 1: maybe not for but somewhere along a lot. So there's
Speaker 1: gonna be some new new faces and new talent at
Speaker 1: the quarterback spot, I would expect. So it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see how the coaches deal with that. Okay, Camp
Speaker 1: Connor and Virginia Connor, go ahead, Hey guys, I'm calling
Speaker 1: about a few players that I'm interested in the draft.
Speaker 1: Go ahead to share. William Jackson. William Jackson from a
Speaker 1: gap ahead, got him Senior Bowl guy, and um William Jackson,
Speaker 1: Nate sud Film and a few other players know it. Spence,
Speaker 1: I know he's probably the late first round. And uh,
Speaker 1: Kevin Dodd from Clemson. Okay, thank you very much, Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you for your call. Jackson will be the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: Spence is at the Senior Bowl, and Dodd is coming
Speaker 1: out as a junior incept as a quarterback Indiana, Indiana.
Speaker 1: And see him at the Shrine game. Uh you see
Speaker 1: the arm he can sling it, um it just when
Speaker 1: he slings it. I don't think he has a great
Speaker 1: understanding of where it's gonna end up all the time,
Speaker 1: and so I think that touch is really a question
Speaker 1: mark with Sudfeld. He's going to be one of those
Speaker 1: late round developmental types. Uh. Big, he's tall. Uh. He has,
Speaker 1: like I said, the arm, but you can sling the
Speaker 1: ball over the field. But the accuracy, Uh, some of
Speaker 1: his mechanics needs him tweaking. He has a wide bass
Speaker 1: um and then just is overall touch to all levels
Speaker 1: of the field. So I think Sudfeld is draftable, but
Speaker 1: late and as a developmental guy. Yeah, and I will
Speaker 1: I will talk about you mentioned about Spence and when
Speaker 1: you watch him play, the tighter they play him, the
Speaker 1: harder it is for him to play. You play him
Speaker 1: a little bit wider and allow him to get going.
Speaker 1: You will not see a guy in this draft. It
Speaker 1: has the explosiveness of him coming off the football in
Speaker 1: my end now and and you might think both. I
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to put words in your
Speaker 1: mouth or anything about that, but I think when you
Speaker 1: watch Spence play, I think he is the best pass
Speaker 1: rusher in this draft. When you when you talk about
Speaker 1: how you can attack the corner, capture the corner and
Speaker 1: get flat in a hurry. This kid, there's a reason
Speaker 1: why he went to Ohio State. I get I get
Speaker 1: it purely baggage that's putting him down like this. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's, it's, it's, it's it's and it's the situation
Speaker 1: where it's it's narcotics, it's drugs. And we've seen before,
Speaker 1: we've we've talked about the Honey Badgers and guys like that. Well,
Speaker 1: a quick background, It is ecstasy. That was that was
Speaker 1: the big thing. It wasn't this isn't like a weed
Speaker 1: thing or something that you know, people downplay. He had
Speaker 1: a bad ecstasy problem. And sure he was kicked out
Speaker 1: of Ohio state, banned from the Big ten. But you know,
Speaker 1: he's done a lot of work on him and people
Speaker 1: still talk highly of his character and highly of the
Speaker 1: person that he is. He just got caught up in
Speaker 1: some bad things. But you know, you have to be
Speaker 1: comfortable with the person before you can be comfortable with
Speaker 1: the player. And so is he fully clean? Is he
Speaker 1: fully off this? Uh? This bad habit? You know, no
Speaker 1: one can truly answer that. Let me see if I
Speaker 1: got this right. Highly talented mercurial pass rusher, uh kind
Speaker 1: of maybe a really high profile prospect who's falling down
Speaker 1: the draft board because of off the field problems, maybe
Speaker 1: a drug problem. Sure sounds kind of familiar. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's fallow in the second round, though, I don't
Speaker 1: think like Randy gregorys No, this this catch a different
Speaker 1: pass rusher than will he be Will he be there
Speaker 1: at thirty four, because that's you don't need him to
Speaker 1: fall to sixty four. He's a wild card as long
Speaker 1: as John Snyder's in the league. Well, I have him
Speaker 1: going to Arizona right now in my first round. Boll.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a perfect guy for Bruce arians a
Speaker 1: reclamation project. They did it before. Oh yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's gonna get out of the first round. He's
Speaker 1: just too talented unless something happen, relapse something. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's too familiar to happen again. But I mean, if
Speaker 1: he falls into that range. Though they've traded up for Lawrence,
Speaker 1: they trade up high for if this dude's as good
Speaker 1: as y'all say, Oh, he's good. I haven't watched him yet,
Speaker 1: but if he's sitting there, he'll be the bus. If
Speaker 1: he's at twenty seven and you're sitting there at thirty
Speaker 1: four and he's that good, he'll be the buzz. He'll
Speaker 1: be the buzz at the Senior Bowl. Quickly on William Jackson,
Speaker 1: a player that the Cowboys wild coaches at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: William Jackson tall, rangey player, long strides. He had forty
Speaker 1: eight passes to fen in college. I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: a school record for a defense that doesn't get their
Speaker 1: hands on many football. This kid's a one man team.
Speaker 1: He can do that, does a lot of wide receiver
Speaker 1: like things at the catch point. Absolutely, and Dodd was
Speaker 1: a guy Clemson. We saw him in the National Champion.
Speaker 1: I still think Austin's a better player. He made a
Speaker 1: name for himself beating up on that right tackle from Alabama, though,
Speaker 1: So sure, Dave, Okay, Kent, who we got, Michael and
Speaker 1: san Antonio. Michael, you're on. Go ahead, Hey, guys, I
Speaker 1: have been ever since Romo broke his collarbone. I called
Speaker 1: in earlier. I've been a golf guy all year, Lung.
Speaker 1: I've watched all his games, but I have to be
Speaker 1: careful as a fan because I need the scouts like
Speaker 1: you to break his film down to see does it
Speaker 1: translate to the pro game, Because if you look like
Speaker 1: at Andrey Whare David Klingler, This guys said all kinds
Speaker 1: of records. They come into the pros. Their game just
Speaker 1: didn't match. So I wanted to know, have you been
Speaker 1: breaking him down and what do you think he translates
Speaker 1: into the pros? And do you think the Cowboys that's
Speaker 1: someone they're really looking at. Yeah, I think they're looking
Speaker 1: at him. They're doing all these quarterbacks, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: But thank you very much for the call, Michael Dan.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on golf? Well, you know he
Speaker 1: comes golf. I didn't say golf. I said golf. Okay,
Speaker 1: he comes from that air raide off not a golfer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't ever say golf. I say golf. That air
Speaker 1: raid offense. It makes it tough at times. It's an
Speaker 1: offense that's predicated on West Coast principles, quick routes, and
Speaker 1: so he made all the adjustments from the sidelines. You
Speaker 1: didn't see him make calls in the huddle that type
Speaker 1: of thing. So it's not an ideal scheme to groom
Speaker 1: a quarterback, but it does teach rhythm, it does teach
Speaker 1: decision making, and so for a player with his mental process,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm really impressed with with Goff. Because he
Speaker 1: doesn't have the big arm, he doesn't have that. He
Speaker 1: has a good enough arm strength, but just it's not great.
Speaker 1: He's a little leaner than you want. So the physical
Speaker 1: traits aren't outstanding, but they're good enough. But where he's
Speaker 1: really impressive is intelligence in the way he sees the field.
Speaker 1: He can use his eyes to hold the safety, can
Speaker 1: do a lot of those things that he's gonna need
Speaker 1: to do in the NFL. So I love his pocket awareness,
Speaker 1: the way he can move, sense pressure, extend plays and
Speaker 1: get rid of the ball. So to me, Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: you know, can he start right away? Sure? Could he
Speaker 1: use some time? Yeah, I'd love to give him some time,
Speaker 1: But I think he's gonna find success early. There's two
Speaker 1: things that I really liked about the and I have
Speaker 1: lynch over him. You're no, I'm not really, not at all,
Speaker 1: not at all. I do. I think that the two things.
Speaker 1: I like how quickly the ball gets out of his hand.
Speaker 1: And I love his toughness because his offensive line at
Speaker 1: Cal was awful, and he takes a ton of hits.
Speaker 1: And he will stand in the pocket and he will
Speaker 1: deliver the football. And you can watch him when the
Speaker 1: pockets clean. He can make throws when the pockets dirty.
Speaker 1: He can make throws, ball gets out of his hands quick,
Speaker 1: and he's very, very tough. Though I will say this though,
Speaker 1: the smart part of it. The kid will make some
Speaker 1: poor decisions. Now if you watch the Utah game, if
Speaker 1: he only watched the Utah game, you wouldn't draft him
Speaker 1: off the Utah game. And I believe he had five
Speaker 1: interceptions or no, eight interceptions or so, but five of
Speaker 1: them more in this one game. And then two or
Speaker 1: three of them were like bobbles, yeah exactly, and there
Speaker 1: were two. The last one he threw was just the
Speaker 1: you know, and they're going for the game winning drive
Speaker 1: and they're trying to and he just throws it and
Speaker 1: it's a poor decision. So you know, just keep in mind,
Speaker 1: though guy through a ton of passes. There's some sometimes
Speaker 1: though that the decision making. And that's all quarterbacks though
Speaker 1: we've we've seen Romo and you could say all these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks have had but that was one where you're going
Speaker 1: for the game winner and you have a chance to
Speaker 1: you know, chance to get it done, and you make
Speaker 1: that decision. Those are the types of things it scout.
Speaker 1: It sticks into Scout's mind a little bit. This is
Speaker 1: elementary and it's not a great reason to draft or
Speaker 1: not draft a guy. But is is there a quarterback
Speaker 1: that's come out of an narrated system? I'm Tim Couch
Speaker 1: comes to mind immediately, And not that he had a
Speaker 1: great pro career. I mean, do we have a precedent
Speaker 1: for this well, and it's and not to you know,
Speaker 1: to expand it to just you know, these different types
Speaker 1: of offenses. Yeah, I mean Cam Newton with well, yeah,
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota last year. I mean it's you know, all
Speaker 1: these off college most of these college offenses sure are
Speaker 1: asking them to do things differently than what pro teams
Speaker 1: are gonna ask him to. No, so it's there is
Speaker 1: an adjustment, there's a little bit of an unknown because
Speaker 1: they're just gonna be asked to do different things. But
Speaker 1: that's why I do like golf more than you know,
Speaker 1: say Lynch, because Golf I think has the mental process
Speaker 1: to do it, where Lynch. I'm not saying he doesn't,
Speaker 1: I just have it. I'm not sold that he does.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Lynch is just so young in
Speaker 1: quarterback years. He's such a young player that he just
Speaker 1: needs more reps. And I just don't have as good
Speaker 1: of a feel for his future as I do feel
Speaker 1: about golf. Yeah, I just to me And it's not
Speaker 1: just falling in love with measurables, because I think scouts
Speaker 1: get in trouble that way thinking and it more times
Speaker 1: than not, you think, oh, he's this tall, he's this big.
Speaker 1: He's just I just think that in a in an
Speaker 1: offense where you have to quarterbacks, I think have to
Speaker 1: be able again, be tall, make the throws, be mobile,
Speaker 1: get away from trouble. I think in the NFL those
Speaker 1: are things, those two trades you have to have. Sure,
Speaker 1: the offense he's in, they throw the ball sideways, but
Speaker 1: when you watch him throw slants and ends and things
Speaker 1: like that, he can rip it and he really can
Speaker 1: rip it. And I and I'm betting on that you're
Speaker 1: going to see more of that in the league than
Speaker 1: the ball going sideways. Yeah, you know, and so that's
Speaker 1: kind of what I you know, I envision with him.
Speaker 1: I have nothing against the cow quarterback. I really really don't.
Speaker 1: And if he's picked, you know, I can understand it
Speaker 1: that that's that's on their board. That's the way it
Speaker 1: should be. So you like the player. I like the player.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with player. Okay, let's get into
Speaker 1: your top of fifty. You put that out on CBS
Speaker 1: and kind of go through as we have just a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes here left on the show, kind of
Speaker 1: go through some of the highlights and and and some
Speaker 1: of the things and some of the decisions you had
Speaker 1: to make as you as you went down that board,
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, I have a guy here for this reason,
Speaker 1: and give people a little bit of a understanding of
Speaker 1: why you put a particular player where you did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think at the top, no surprise, Larry Tunsil.
Speaker 1: To me, he's the best player in this draft. And
Speaker 1: then you know, like I said before, the probably one
Speaker 1: through six is where I feel really good about that
Speaker 1: first tier guys like Miles Jack, Jalen Ramsey, Bosa Zeke
Speaker 1: and Treadwell um At Jared Goss my first quarterback, he's
Speaker 1: at number nine, and then I have Wentz at twelve,
Speaker 1: So those two guys are pretty closed. And then I
Speaker 1: have Lynch all the way down at twenty nine. So
Speaker 1: a little bit of a Again, it's just more I
Speaker 1: like Lynch, I like the tools. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: start in this league. I just don't have as good
Speaker 1: of a feel for what his future looks like. But
Speaker 1: we do have twelve players on my top fifty that
Speaker 1: are currently on the Senior Bowl roster and a couple
Speaker 1: other guys that would have been. But yes, who was
Speaker 1: a player that you struggled with the most on your board?
Speaker 1: And it might be uh, Kim dici ol Miss defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: He's one of the top ten talents in this class,
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. He's just not one of
Speaker 1: the top ten football players. And that's where you have
Speaker 1: to struggle with, you know, where to put him with
Speaker 1: his off field issues. On the field, you know, he
Speaker 1: had what seven and a half sacks in three years.
Speaker 1: You just want more production for a player with that
Speaker 1: type of ability. You see the flashes, they're outstanding. They
Speaker 1: just it's not consistent. At this point, a lot of
Speaker 1: people are going to be wrong about him. You think
Speaker 1: about Kim dici ye wrong in the sense that he's
Speaker 1: being I feel like he's being undervalued right now. You
Speaker 1: you you you think that he needs to be in
Speaker 1: the top ten. I think I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: he would be in the top ten if not for
Speaker 1: that episode with the hotel room right after the season ended.
Speaker 1: I mean and and yeah, the on field production hasn't
Speaker 1: been great by his standard. I mean we're talking about
Speaker 1: the number one overall recruit when he came out of
Speaker 1: high school. I covered him. Um, it hadn't been great.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he's I mean, he's a freaks
Speaker 1: sometimes when you watch we go back and you watch
Speaker 1: the Alabama game because we were watching the center, you know,
Speaker 1: watching Kelly play and and and you forgot about him
Speaker 1: getting up the field and getting into tackles for loss
Speaker 1: and things like that. It's way too easy of a
Speaker 1: comparison because they went to the same school. But he
Speaker 1: reminds me of Hardy in the sense that I think
Speaker 1: you could put him at almost every position on the
Speaker 1: line if you wanted to. I mean, it would be effective. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see. And that's I disagree a little bit there
Speaker 1: because I think he's more of a three three. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is a defensive tackle, he is, but I think
Speaker 1: he's a three only because he struggles a two gap
Speaker 1: and you know, I just I don't know if you
Speaker 1: get him up the field, that's the whole thing. If
Speaker 1: you get a run gap attack, and I and honestly,
Speaker 1: I question how much he loves football, how much does
Speaker 1: he want to be great? You know? I mean, how
Speaker 1: how much does he want to be great? That as
Speaker 1: a criticism the coach or anybody tells me a guy
Speaker 1: doesn't like football that immediately, and it's not that he doesn't,
Speaker 1: it's just you don't know, and that's an unknown right now.
Speaker 1: And other things more important, How badly does you know
Speaker 1: a lot of these players are gifted, but they have
Speaker 1: to put the work in to be great. And I'm
Speaker 1: not sure Kimdc's gonna put the work into it. If
Speaker 1: you like, lined him up like at the way in
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, just lined him up, you know,
Speaker 1: and did measure. I mean, he would be like no doubt.
Speaker 1: Everything else about him makes me feel like he falls
Speaker 1: down the board a little bit. But your bottom five
Speaker 1: guys forty five already burns Miami guy that plays speeds
Speaker 1: there Um, I think there's a lot of potential for burns.
Speaker 1: Vernon Butler, Louisiana attack. He's on the Cowboys back with
Speaker 1: a Senior Bowl. Uh. Lower bodies quick, upper bodies strong,
Speaker 1: so a lot to work with their Josh Dawson unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the wrist injury is not healthy yet, so he will
Speaker 1: not be at to see your bowl, but a player
Speaker 1: that goes and gets the ball. Jason Spriggs at forty eight,
Speaker 1: Indianna tackle, very athletic, former tight end, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty five pounds when he showed up.
Speaker 1: Four year starter. I think that he's a future NFL starter.
Speaker 1: Braxon Millard forty nine, we talked, talked, touched on him
Speaker 1: and his athletic potential. Will get a close look at
Speaker 1: him in mobile and at fifty Ryan Kelly another guy
Speaker 1: we talked about. Top center in this class. Absolutely. I
Speaker 1: can't get over how exciting it is this year. Is
Speaker 1: that you know, you're talking about Dame's top fifty. You're
Speaker 1: talking about guys who could theoretically be in the Cowboys
Speaker 1: range with their third round pick because they're picking so high.
Speaker 1: I mean, so that's true picking in the sixties. You're
Speaker 1: right there. Maybe some guys don't like some teams don't
Speaker 1: like these guys as much as the Cowboys do. So
Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna be able to get some I
Speaker 1: mean not there's always talent in the draft, but you're
Speaker 1: talking about getting guys in the third round who are
Speaker 1: second And there were a couple of guys that I
Speaker 1: hated leaving. You know, Tyler Boyd from Pitt Kentroll Brothers Missouri,
Speaker 1: Josh Perry, Ohio State. There's a guys I really wanted
Speaker 1: to include my top fifty. I just I ran out
Speaker 1: of room room. So you know, you're always an evolving list,
Speaker 1: though you never know exactly. I'll do four of these.
Speaker 1: I'll do one right after the combine, one after Pro Days,
Speaker 1: and then one final one before the Draft. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: that's all the time we have in the Draft Show.
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