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Speaker 1: Shaggy and known for his international hits like It Wasn't

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Speaker 1: how passionate that person is. That's a success. You know.

429
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: At this point you're gonna be like, Okay, maybe I

430
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: invest in that person because I don't have to worry

431
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: whether this is going to be really well done because

432
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: that person is that's passionate about it. I could give

433
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: a shit about cushions. But you're investing in the jockey,

434
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: not necessarily exactly, you know what I mean. So these

435
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: are these are things that I that I'll do. It

436
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: all depends if I meet someone. And I could meet

437
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: someone who would come in and pitch to me that

438
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: they're doing guitars. You know, they're like, Okay, I'm gonna

439
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: do guitars here, and I'm and we're gonna make our

440
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: own line of guitars and he and he pitches me

441
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: and you know, and I'm so okay, I'm gonna I'm

442
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: gonna invest half a million dollars in it, you know,

443
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: and you know, he shows me his business plan. I

444
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: buy it. I think it's good. We shake hands and

445
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, uh, you're going my way. It's like,

446
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: let me jump in your car, get a ride down

447
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: to the train because that's where I'm getting at him.

448
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: And I go in his car and I see, you know,

449
00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: uh McDonald's boxes and fries everywhere and ship all fucked

450
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: up in his car. And by the time I get

451
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: to the train station, that deal is done. I understand it.

452
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: I who you are in your life is who you

453
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: are absolutely. Because you can't manage your car, how to

454
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: fun you gonna manage my money. I couldn't agree the

455
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: character of the person when you're investing and how it is,

456
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I still think to

457
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: be in charge of your destiny. Even you might find

458
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: somebody that's really good at cushion and very passionate of it.

459
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: There's nothing like you knowing what you want and and

460
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: I am. I am really really good at music. I

461
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: suck at everything else. You don't want to see me

462
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: kick a ball, you know, yeah? And I barely can.

463
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: I barely could add I suck at math and I'm

464
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: but what I'm smart enough to do is to hire

465
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: really smart people to be around me. And and and

466
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: it's no one person. There are many persons that all

467
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: play their role and are in their lane and right

468
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: and uh and it it makes good for accountability down

469
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: the line also. And so the brand is Shaggy. What

470
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: if you had to describe in a sentence what the

471
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: brand means? And it is? What is the brand? When

472
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: you think of Shaggy, it's it's it's cultural. Like you're

473
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: not going to think about the Caribbean and not think

474
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: of Shaggy. You're not gonna be on vacation and not

475
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: think of Shaggy. You know what I mean, You're not

476
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna hear it. I don't think there

477
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: is one resort that you're going to go into Caribbean

478
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: that you're not gonna hear angel or wasn't me on

479
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: one of these records being played? So I embody the

480
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: Caribbean life. I am body that. I embody my culture,

481
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I sell it every single

482
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: day because I think it's greatest culture of all time.

483
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: If you look at Jamaica, an island with three million

484
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: people and what it has done on popular culture. Everything

485
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: that is Lady Gaga right, everything that you see that

486
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga or um what I could say, Doja Cator

487
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: or Katy Perry? Are any of these people do? That's

488
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: Grace Jones. When you look at you know, we were

489
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: now in the Olympics with or Bob Slip team for

490
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: the second time. They made a movie. On the first one.

491
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: We don't even have snow. You know. That's that's how

492
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: much of an overchieving set of people we are in Jamaica,

493
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: you know. And so I sell that because you look

494
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: at Chris Blackwell that created an Island Records that you know,

495
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: I used to work for him, right exactly. I worked

496
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: for Mark Berg. You go at him. How funny is that? Yeah?

497
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: I used to plant parties. Was with Chris this uh,

498
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: this past weekend in Jamaica. And when you sit there

499
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: and think about this man signed you too, you know,

500
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: the biggest rock one of the biggest rock bands in

501
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: the world, you know, out of out of Jamaica. It's

502
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: it's when you think about the magic that it is.

503
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: You know, you think of my you look at my

504
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: brother Sting, who have who has written you know, uh

505
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: created the police, Uh you know from a hybrid sound

506
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: of Jamaica, you know, and and it's it's it's magical.

507
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: How can I not export that? How can I not

508
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: embody that? You know? I somebody said to me that day,

509
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: it's not whether you're Jamaican. Is can you imagine not

510
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: being Jamaican? That's how I feel. And so I think

511
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: a shaggy embodied that. You know, this is what I do.

512
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: I love that, that's azing. I do it in a

513
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: in a different way because there are stereotypical ways that

514
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: people view Jamaicans. I'm not that stereotypic cool way. And

515
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm I'm all of that, you know.

516
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: But I'm letting you know that there's a whole lot

517
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: more to us. It's an energy, it's love, it's a spirit,

518
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: it's a solid spirit vibe. We're open, you know, we're

519
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: we're you know, it's not that thing, that one particular

520
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: thing that you see us. We're that too, but not

521
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: just that alone. I understand. It's not a it's not

522
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: a caricature. Uh So what percentage are you lucky? And

523
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: what percentage smart? I don't think I'm very lucky. Likewise,

524
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: you're the only person besides myself who's really said that.

525
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: And I just don't attribute it to luck either. It's funny,

526
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: but most people say I don't gamble, I don't like gambling.

527
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not attracted to anything called gambling or

528
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: betting or anything like that. I attribute a lot of

529
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: things to hard work and great ideas. I think. I don't.

530
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: My mind is shut off. I think of things and

531
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: I find what is known as cool factor. You cannot

532
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: sell anything unless you have a cool factor. The cool

533
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: is the greatest thing. Everybody wants to be cool. All

534
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: these guys who are billionaires that you see, you know,

535
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: they want to be around the cool person. In two minutes,

536
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: they'll give their lips. All the dads with the cool

537
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: sneakers and trying to be sweatshirt. Look, if you can

538
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: create the cool, you're a success, you know. And I've

539
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: created the cool on many occasions, many times. Well, it's

540
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: funny that you said you created it, because if you

541
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: are actually cool, that would be lucky, if you'd be lucky.

542
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm not cool. I create the cool. But

543
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: I'll sit down. I think of an idea, and I

544
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: said oh, you know what that will be appealing and

545
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: what is cool? Something that is relatable to people, right,

546
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: but the exactly and so you got to sit down

547
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: and think of that thing that trend, that thing that's

548
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: gonna grab people's attention to be like, wow, that's that's

549
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: kind of hot. You got to meet my daughter. My

550
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: daughter is born. She's just cool. She's that girl that

551
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: just seems like she was born in Malibu, natural relax.

552
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: Everybody gravitates towards her. Everything she puts on looks good.

553
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: She just it really starts from up from a charisma

554
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: that you're blessed with. You have to have agree, you

555
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: have to do. You see that person might be very

556
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: wealthy or might be very talented by being they walk in,

557
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: but they just don't light a room up. Yeah, you

558
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: got the lighter you don't. You know? So people say today, oh,

559
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: you could be a great singer, but you if you

560
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: can't light a room up, nobody gives a ship what

561
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: you sing. And you could be somebody who could just

562
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: barely hold a note energy. But you walk in there

563
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: and you you're shaking hands, kissing babies. Everybody's loving you.

564
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: You walk in there and people turn around that who

565
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: is that? That's energy? To me, It's funny because I'm

566
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: going to be talking to Deepak Chopra and I want

567
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: I want to talk about energy. A lot of people

568
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: just spell that. I believe that energy that's like a

569
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: real just like an spiritual energy that you have and

570
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: you could let your light shine or you could kill

571
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: it personally. I mean, it's up to you, but I

572
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: do think that. You know, so many people are focused

573
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: on their looks in a superficiality versus just how they feel,

574
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: and it isn't looks. To be honest with you, it like,

575
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: for instance, I realized years ago because I was in

576
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: reggae music that it wasn't a level playing field for us.

577
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm from a small island. I'm in the music that's

578
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: a minority music. You know. Uh, My Heart, which you're

579
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: on is a is a station that is a company

580
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 1: that has probably around nine hundred stations. Zero of them

581
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: are reggae stations. So how do a guy like me

582
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: get to be on mainstream? I realized a long time

583
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: ago that I had to do. I had to not

584
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: just be a star, but become a superstar, a star

585
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: with superhero like presence, talents, and work ethic, you know.

586
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: So I realized that I had to work ten times

587
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: harder than the average person, make music ten times more

588
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: appealing and unique, right and hotter, because it wasn't a

589
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: level playing field. And the minute you learned that, then

590
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: you start to create it. But that comes with your

591
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: you having this charisma, you having I overdo all of

592
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: it just to be on the playing field because you're

593
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: it's not left. I'm not privileged. And once you realize

594
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: you're not privileged, you're gonna put that work in. You know,

595
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: being being privileged is probably the worst thing that could

596
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: ever happen to anyone because they don't really work for

597
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: it because they get bits handed to them. I said

598
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: that to my children these days, and I was like,

599
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's certain amount of privilege is going to

600
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: reach them because of the success that I have. But

601
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: I try very hard to let to tell them that, Okay,

602
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: you do not want to be that privileged person. You're

603
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: gonna go through life and not be uh and not

604
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: appreciate the things that you get, and you're gonna lose

605
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: it because anything you don't appreciate you will lose very quickly.

606
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: The last question, it's such a nice conversation. I'm really

607
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: enjoying this, Um, thank you. My last question is rose

608
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: and thorn of your career. Oh, I've had some thorns.

609
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: It's like taking the l. You're gonna take the l,

610
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: but if you turn it the other way, you move

611
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: it from losing to lesson. You know. That's Matthew McConaughey's

612
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: green Light book. He said green light. Red lights that

613
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: stop you are actually green lights. So you're looking at

614
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: it from both sides. The thorns have been some incredible

615
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: lessons for me, Um, and I just don't think you

616
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: could have such a beautiful flower without those thorns. And

617
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: for me to become the flower that I'm going that

618
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: I've become and I'm continuing to bloom, I need those thorns,

619
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, so I look get it like that, you know,

620
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: and and every nod and listen. If you're a good person,

621
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: there's a moral compass. Do not sway from your moral compass.

622
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: You feel it when you're doing something fucked up. If

623
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: you feel something that you're doing is fucked up, is

624
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: fucked up, and Mama, how you try to convince yourself

625
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: that it isn't. That's your moral compass. I I stay

626
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: focused to my moral compass and put my my my

627
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: finger on the pulse. And you gotta learn to read

628
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: the room. No when to take yourself away, no when

629
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: to exit, no one to interject yourself, No when to talk,

630
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: no one not to talk, no when to just listen.

631
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: It's reading a room. If you can't read a room,

632
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: my god, I don't care how educated you are. You

633
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: can't read the room. You're life is going to be

634
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: hard for you. It's someone said to if you don't

635
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: know who the fish is in the room, the fishes

636
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: you and I guess they mean like the schmucker whatever,

637
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: the fishes like the schmuck in the room as you.

638
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: If you don't, you can't figure out who the schmuck

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Speaker 1: You got to read the room and figure out who

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Speaker 1: in the room. Sometimes you may be in a room

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Speaker 1: that it's just you just don't fit in the room.

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Speaker 1: That's cool too, I'm like, Okay, this ain't for me.

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Speaker 1: Don't be scared to take yourself away from things that

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Speaker 1: true Well, there's been so many albums, tight as a wall,

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Speaker 1: a book for you, read the room. It's been such

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Speaker 1: a pleasure talking to you. Honestly, I really and I

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Speaker 1: did not know enough about you. And I've found this

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Speaker 1: to be such a great place to really meet people

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Speaker 1: and learn about them. And I've gotten so much perspective

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Speaker 1: in my own life from people that I would have

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Speaker 1: never met. So I'm so grateful. Well, thank you, Bethany.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot about you because i've I've kind

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Speaker 1: of seen your journey and and and uh and and

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Speaker 1: I'm very um you know, I got the congratulation. You've

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Speaker 1: come from a place and you've made yourself up, and

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Speaker 1: there was a lot coming at you at times and

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Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, this is me and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: do my things. So congratulations. Well, likewise, it's the rose

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Speaker 1: and the pedal and the thorns, so it's true. Well,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait till we get to meet one day

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Speaker 1: in person and give my love to your family. Well

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Speaker 1: that was Shaggy, What a great conversation, what a nice, solid,

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Speaker 1: honest man. I really enjoyed it. I have just really

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Speaker 1: gone deeper and deeper in reading about people and learning.

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Speaker 1: And even my assistant will say to me, she said,

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Speaker 1: I read about this person. Wow, They're so interesting. So

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Speaker 1: it's like getting an education, and it's it's just I'm

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Speaker 1: loving the people that are coming on and getting to

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Speaker 1: hear their story sharing it with you. And it's often

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Speaker 1: someone that we you probably know so little about, and

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Speaker 1: there's so much to make up a person and their success. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just adoring it. So thank you so much.

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