WEBVTT - Zoe’s Final Rose 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:04.360 Hey, well, welcome back to Betcher Happy Hour. I'm Joe 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:08.319 and I'm Serena and we are here today with Zoe Zoe. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.200 This is your third time on Betchler Happy Hour. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:13.319 Welcome back, Ye, thank you. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:15.760 How you doing today? 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.360 We're good, We're good. Back to reality and. 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:23.599 Are you in New York right now? 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.040 Yes? I just moved to the Lower East Side, so 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.319 oh do you like it? Yeah, it's really nice. I 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:33.279 got a roommate now, but a much bigger apartment and 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:35.519 saving money, so win wins all around. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:36.560 That's nice. 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.479 That's the goal in New York is more space, less money. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:41.680 What did you What did you do for the premiere? 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.280 I last minute got all my people together. I have 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.280 like a bartending friend and like a friendly ones in 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.240 an events space, so yeah, I got like thirty people out. 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.920 We all watched it. I made snacks and shark body 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:56.400 boards and made them all watching on TV. So oh 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:00.360 that's so fun. What was the reaction? Were they so excited? Yeah, 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.080 it's kind of funny. Everyone just like they get so 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:05.680 excited even if you don't like really do anything. They're 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.600 just like excited to see you on TV. So it's 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.000 fun and have to like It's also nice in New 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.720 York to have reasons to get everyone back together, as 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.600 you guys probably know, like corralling people can be tough. 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.280 Have you have you did you watch? Did you ever 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.840 watch Paradise prior to going on? 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:23.800 No? 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:26.679 Oh you never? Have you ever seen an episode? 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.880 So literally, when they asked me to go on Paradise 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:31.520 and I said yes, I was like, I should probably 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.720 watch it at least one season and I could like 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.039 barely make it through a season. Not gonna lie, I 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.039 don't do Like I don't really watch all UCV, but 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.600 I watched a couple of tidbits in there. I think 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.039 was it like season six? I watched pretty good chunk 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.279 of it? Okay, okay, nice? 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.520 Any did you I was gonna say, did you notice 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:53.040 the difference from your season? How different it is now? 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:59.040 Oh? I would say there was a lot of difference. 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:03.640 We had win lower cast numbers, which was like crazy yeah, 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.720 and not many surprises either, which like for me, was 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.360 kind of upsetting because I wanted to like I didn't 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:11.400 want to go in there and be like, oh, I 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.600 have my eye specifically on this person, Like I wanted 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.560 to be like shocked and like, you know, be surprised, 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:20.480 and I mean way better at the Cinity. I actually 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.240 was not gonna go if it was like last time, 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.560 because I heard there was horrible bugs and I'm super 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:29.720 ecniphobic as we know, and I don't mind. I don't 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:31.680 like ac so that wasn't a draw to me. But 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.600 I do like good food and a bougerie place, so 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:35.639 I was happy to be there. 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.480 So you come off Grant Season, which wasn't that long ago. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.880 What was life like between finishing Grant Season and then 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:44.880 going to Paradise? 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:47.639 It was so. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.519 Quick, I mean you mean like filming or like once 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.440 it was done airing, it was maybe like two months. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.200 So it's like I could barely even start to date again. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:57.440 And then I was like, well, people know if you're 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:59.079 in a Paradise. So I just kind of like kept 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.680 to myself. I We're just trying to work. I do modeling, 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.640 like freelance work right now, and just getting all my 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:09.680 outfits together, trying to get back into shape, just you know, 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.720 really prepare for it and like set myself up to 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.120 be gone for a few weeks. 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.359 And what was your mindset going into the season. Did 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.400 you have, like were you feeling good? Do you have 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.880 any goals. Were you feeling nervous? Obviously you had kind 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.440 of like a rollercoaster ride on Grant season, So yeah, 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.160 what were the things that you took away from that 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.600 season and then how are you going into this new season? 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.600 On Grant season, it was just things tumbled very quickly, 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.640 and like I definitely got ganged up on a lote. 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.920 I think that just put me like such a negative 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.840 mindset the entire time that I wanted to go and 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.640 hear like clear headed, like I had my people like 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:48.440 Bailey and stuff that I knew were going to be there, 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:53.360 and being able to go in with like more security 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.000 and like familiarity. I was like less on edge, So 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.920 that really helped me. And I just wanted to be 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:00.840 really open to finding. 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:01.440 Love, like. 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:06.720 I felt like on the season of The Bachelor, like 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:08.200 I was like having to do a lot of that 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.160 chasing and like prove myself because I kept being questioned 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:12.640 by the lead and I was like, you know what, 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.040 like there's gonna be way more men here, Like I 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.320 just want to be more at peace and like try 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.039 to date. I've been trying to date in real life. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.039 Were there any men from past seasons that you were 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.440 aware of and wanted to see down there. 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:32.360 I mean, I think we all knew like Dale is 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.760 obviously like top man and one of the top men 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.520 in bachination, and I had whispers that he was gonna 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.400 be there. I didn't really believe it until I saw it. 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:45.799 There were some other people like Tanner from Charity season. 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.839 I believe I wanted him to be there. He wasn't, 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.040 But I don't. I don't really follow baschination. I don't really. 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:56.960 I've never really watched the seats in the Bachelor other 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.599 than part of Gen season. There weren't any men on 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:05.160 her season, and I was like, I need her, and yeah, 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:05.880 I think that I did. 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.280 Okay, Well, we see you get down to the beach. 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.360 You know you're down there pretty early your original cast. 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:14.839 Who did you hit it off with right away? 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.720 Obviously we know we see a lot of your relationship 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.719 with Brian in episode one, But who else did you 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:21.479 talk to? Was there anyone else you were interested in? 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.840 I'm like really big on physical attraction, and out of 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.880 the men there, I think first Sand specifically Brian, and 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:37.480 maybe Justin We're probably only Teeneogle really was not interesting 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.640 anyone else And I don't know I kind of had 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.800 a hard time like trying to talk. I think Kyle 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.800 and then maybe Spencer, I would have wanted to talk 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:46.680 to you, but like I think that they both had 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.320 really quirky personalities that like I just was like, this 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.280 is not really my vibe. You're attractive, but like I 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.520 don't think we're gonna work long term. So pretty much 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.719 day one, like Brian I had like really good banter, 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.680 like he's talk he's muscular, he's Italian, you know, from 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:06.000 Long Island. My parents are like family from that from 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.360 Long Island. So he kind of, like I guess, was 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.200 kind of familiar to me and like some of the 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.719 men a day in the past, and I thought he 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.640 was like my best bed day one, and then I 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:21.159 was didn't see Dale there. So he eventually arrived the 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:25.080 second day and he actually pulled me to chat for 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.359 like a good amount of time, like thirty minutes or me, 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:28.920 and like we hit it off. I had a really 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:33.440 good conversation, but then he immediately pulls Cat for the date. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.159 So I was like, Okay, like this man's not interesting 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.840 to me, and I've already built something with Brian. Even 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.080 though Dale put Dale took Cat on the date him, 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.040 and I actually did speak a decent amount, but it 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.120 was like this weird case because like he just took 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:49.960 another woman on a date, and I've already kind of 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.120 been matched up with this guy, and so I don't 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.360 think either of us wanted to be disrespectful to our people. 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.440 So we were trying to like talk when we could 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.200 and like, but then we're still trying to building other relationships. 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.720 So it was just like this weird thing. And I 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.440 also didn't want to like just start bringing a bunch 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:10.800 of people into my roster because I hate hate that 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.320 that's the mindset people have of like waiting till the 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.080 next best thing, like waiting to jump ship, and I 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.320 don't want to be a hypocrite. And so to me, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.960 I'm like, if I've already started building something with someone, like, 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.560 I don't need to like jump ship if I think 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.080 something better has come along, Like we need to focus 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.120 and grow and water what we currently have. And that 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:30.760 was kind of the mindset I was trying to go 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:32.400 into and stick with. 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:34.520 Yeah, it kind of seems like, you know, you have 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.880 this connection with Brian Dale, has this connection with Kat 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.080 and you guys are maybe there's interest there and there's curiosity, 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.880 but like pursuing that obviously means developing some love triangles, 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.200 and that always gets a little complicated. 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.600 Even after even after the ros ceremony you get your 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:01.360 ros from or you give a rose to Brian, is 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:05.160 anyone really locked down? Like, is anyone like we are? 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.720 We are solely dating each other and I won't even 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.280 entertain someone coming in for a day because it is early. 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.480 So here's what's funny is if you had asked anyone, 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.400 people would have said Brian and I really oh yeah, 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:24.080 because we were actually the first couple to like build 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.800 our own dates. So like there was a day we 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.960 went someming in the ocean together, we like watched the 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.000 stars together, we like hung out on the hammock. 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.600 After we saw your star watching day, and it definitely 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.080 looked like more of an intentional setup with like yeah 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.120 its and yeah. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.120 So we were actually like doing those days. Like he 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:44.600 kissed me in front of the group. I think it 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:50.400 was like one of the first like public kisses and yeah. 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.680 So it was like all those things. When we did 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:54.640 the poster board and I got a bunch of access 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.240 because everyone was offended by my fight comment, he like 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.680 came back and put hearts all over it and was like, 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.240 all my hearts go to you. And when I was 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.520 talking to Dale, like after these couple of chats, like 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.839 Brian was like, I got really jealous, like that you're 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.719 talking to Dale, like I don't feel that secure, and 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.640 so to me and to everyone around us, it genuinely 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:20.199 felt like, oh, like weird building and being secure. Besides that, 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:24.120 I think Justin Spencer, like Spencer was locked in like 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.880 day one, like he would not even look in a 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.720 different girl's direction or like even it was like, yeah, 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.240 it was like a lot of men were doing that. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:39.280 I would say him after the first Rose, Yeah, I 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:43.320 would probably say Justin Spencer, I think a cat locked 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.080 into Dale. As I said, Dale was still talking to 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:47.800 me and maybe talking to other people. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.240 And that was was Brian aware that you and Dale 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.080 were still somewhat talking. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.640 Yeah, because as I said, there was like this one 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.240 point where like you can escape. So like I spoke 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.520 with Dale, like I got a good chunk conversation and 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.160 like Brian's like watching us the whole time, and I 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.400 come back and he's like like I'm jealous, and I 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.080 was like, oh, like that's cute, Like I want my 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:12.840 man to be like a little jealous that means that 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:14.839 you like like me. I was like, but I wasn't 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.679 doing like, didn't do anything. I was like, we're not 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:18.520 kissing and like making out over here in the corner. 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:20.760 I just genuinely was trying to see if we have 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.680 a connection, if we can you know, pursue this and 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.679 if it does progress. I would have gone and spoke 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.800 to Brian, but to see that him and jealousy, like, oh, 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.480 like he definitely thinks like I'm his girl, I was like, cool, 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.720 we like that. So I would say going into that 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.800 Rose ceremony, Jess and Spence and like me and Brian 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.320 seemed like the strongest couples. And as you saw, like 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.400 Brian even held my hand like as we like separated 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.480 Spencer and just kissed. So that was our thought process 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.240 and then we woke up the next day. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.120 Okay, So it does seem like do you and Brian 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.360 have a really strong connection. You're both investing time. There's 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.280 a lot of like nonverbals signals that you guys are 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.680 feeling like really serious, but there's been no explicit like, hey, 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.920 we're only dating each other. You're still kind of chatting 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.480 with Dale you're open to something there. And then you know, 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.679 we go into week two and we have the chemistry challenge, 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:18.000 which we see kind of both of you guys explore 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.120 something outside of your relationship. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.880 Well, what's worse than that? So I don't know, it 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.280 was kind of like it's it didn't seem like we 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.160 need to define it, because like day one, it was 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:30.880 kind of like people are open. He was talking like 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:32.360 a few other people, and it was like by day 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.360 two we kind of it was very obviously locked in, 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.560 like you know, the conversation of are we exclusive? I 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.720 think you kind of do the day after the road ceremony, 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:45.080 like you know, like let's chat then, so literally we 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.360 give him my rose. We wake up the next morning 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.280 and he walks into the group and completely ignores me, 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:54.120 just walks right past me, trends I don't exist, says 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.839 hello to everyone, doesn't chat with me, and so he 0:11:57.960 --> 0:11:59.920 literally didn't talk to me all day and I said, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.720 can we talk? Because now I'm getting my first red 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.320 flag of like, uh oh, did this man just like 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:09.560 play the game and like play me and everyone, and 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:14.040 he goes, I need a drink first, and I was like, 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.240 in my head, I'm like you wouldn't be here to 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.480 get a drink if it wasn't for me. So I 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.319 was like, never mind, I don't need if you that's 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.640 more important to you than a conversation with the girl 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.880 like you supposedly like I'm good. So we didn't get 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.600 a chance to talk. The compatibility chest happens, and at 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.920 this point, like I don't even know if he's gonna 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:33.920 put me down. So I'm like, at this point, like 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.240 you've just ghosted me, like you ghosted me in real life. 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.400 Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna stop you there 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.640 because I have a question about that because he he 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:49.840 is saying on the episode that you're upset that like 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:54.280 he didn't say hi to you first, you're saying that 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:58.160 he just didn't. He completely ignored you pretty much all morning, 0:12:58.200 --> 0:12:59.160 he didn't speak to you. 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:05.600 Because that's both those those both those are true. So 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:07.360 you have to you have to look at the situation. 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.319 You I just gave you a rose in the real world, 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.520 that's like we just went in a date. We're going 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.200 on our second day, like we're waking up. Every other person, 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.800 even the people who knowing they gave friendship roses, were 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.000 with the girl that gave them their rose, Like that's 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.920 just like normal human behavior of I'm gonna wake up 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.080 and say hello to my partner, the person that kept 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:35.360 me here. He walks in, sees me, sees a group 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.320 and not that we have just talks to other people, 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.880 b lines and says hi to Bailey, my best friend 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.560 and a girl that he was trying to talk to 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:45.080 day one. 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.840 That's weird, Like, I give you invest all this time 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.160 and me your behavior has been one way, you got 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.160 the rose. The next day, your behavior is very different 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:54.720 towards me. 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.200 Oh it was a one eighty and it's not just 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.559 me who clocked it. So like you go in there, 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.560 so it's like disrespect. Disrespect came over. He said hi 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.760 to me, I think because he felt some pressure and 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.560 then immediately went back to the group. And I was like, oh, 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.959 like I know this behavior, and it's like he wants 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:19.800 to with his actions and not his words, be like 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:23.280 you keeping me here meant nothing. I don't actually like 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:27.280 you this Like I'm ready to make sure I'm available 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.880 for whoever steps foot on that beach. 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.520 Did you think did you think about calling him out 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.680 on that like right away? Or you wanted to sit 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:42.080 on it and like because I mean, it's totally up 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:43.520 to you. Like I don't know if if I was 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.040 in your situation, I may not have done that as well. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.360 But like, did you think about, like, hey, what the fuck? 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.880 Why did you just ignore me? What's going what's going on? 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.600 Are you kind of waiting to see how it played out? 0:14:55.480 --> 0:15:00.160 There's two things I think in my history. I it 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.640 was often caught like I was always like considered the problem. 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.520 I was the one having the issues, like you know, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.640 just being really gasolate into like everything I did was wrong. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.160 So I'm like, okay, Like I don't want to like 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.080 bring up a problem that might not be a problem. 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.600 That's number one. And then number two, I'm like, I 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.800 also don't want to be begging a man to treat 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.680 me properly, Like I want to give you the space 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.520 and opportunity to show me what type of man you are. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.840 And he did over and over and over, but I 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:33.920 you know, I just wanted because like I will gas 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:35.280 at my phone and be like, oh, like maybe I'm 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.560 just overwrappting. Maybe that's not what happened. Maybe he just 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:39.960 woke up and he just didn't think about it. But 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:41.800 he is one hundred percent stillnd to me, you know 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.240 what I mean, Like maybe or maybe he was upset 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.080 that I had chatted with Dale and he just wants 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.800 to like whatever. So in my brain, I'm making up 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.040 excuses for him and being like, okay, like let me 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.400 just let this play out, because I don't think that 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.120 we need to get to go and start attacking people, 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.360 because like I do think that's really toxic. Like I 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.160 will give people so much grace because I don't know 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:02.720 what's going on in their brain. I don't know what 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.160 their history is like, So I wanted to give him 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.480 a chance to do the right thing, and that was 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.040 to spend time with the girl that you just spent 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.240 the last three days getting to know and going on 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:18.040 dates with and making out with and so yeah, so 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.360 you just ignored me all day and then we do 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.920 a kissing challenge and by this point, genuinely because of 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.080 how he is the one eighty switch, I was like, 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:28.520 I don't even know if he's going to put my 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:32.520 name down, Like I genuinely did not know if this 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.320 was his way of like trying to silently break up 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.680 and ghost me, Like it was crazy. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:49.240 Word, let's go okay. So but then you guys do 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.360 kissing that challenge, and it seems like a good kiss. 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.240 It also seems like you guys have like a good 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:59.560 physical connection. But after the kiss, after that kissing challenge, 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.760 where what happens then? Like is there a conversation after that? 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.399 Like where where do we stand? Because up until that challenge, 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.959 from what you are saying, he basically ghost you all 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.400 morning up until that challenge. We don't know what time 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.200 that challenge is. You guys have a kiss. What goes 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:17.080 down after that? 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.639 So we kissed, I know he kissed a few other people, 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.920 and then obviously I kissed stale As I said, these 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.280 are only two men I've been talking to, and I'm 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.960 expecting the challenge to be over, him to come back 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.159 and us to have that conversation I've been asking for 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:39.200 all day, and we have a conversation. And that's where 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.000 I brought up like, hey, like this is a one 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:45.440 eighty behavior change, and for me, my little stem self, 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.040 I'm like, if I'm going to tell you something, here's 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.359 the facts of like what I'm coming to this conclusion 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.520 for I'm like, you walked in, you didn't even say 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.040 hi to me, You said hi to all my friends, 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.320 you didn't speak to me all day. I asked you 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:59.879 to chat and he immediately gets defensive and he's like 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.199 I don't need a girl that's tracking me and like 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.280 who I'm talking to and whatnot. And I was like, 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:11.679 oh shit, I know exactly who you are. And I 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.720 was like, I have just shot myself in the foot. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.359 This was my ex two point zho and I was 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:21.120 just like okay, Like again, I'm not trying to track 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.480 your movements. I'm not telling you to do specific things. 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.439 We're in a microcosm of an environment where like the 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.199 way you show someone that you are still interested is 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.600 that if they kept you here, you think that, like, 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.480 you stick around them, you come say hello to them. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.679 You don't go say hi to other people first and 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:42.040 disrespect them in front of everyone. And I was like, oh, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.240 like he doesn't want to understand that because he doesn't care. 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.000 Was there ever a part of you that went on 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:51.919 this show and it was like just have fun? Well no, no, 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.320 but did you did any of you like even like 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.639 the girls have a chat of like we do kind 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.560 of it is weak war on. We have the power. 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.240 These guys need our roses to stay. Was there any 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.880 part of you that was like, Okay, I think Brian's 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:10.600 into me, but there is a part of Brian that 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.199 wants to just stay on the show, so maybe he 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:17.000 is potentially using me. Did your brain ever go there? 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.320 Yes, this is where I was like, I had to 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.680 like on again ungastlight myself as I was leaving, because 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.760 I was like, no, the one thing I've learned with 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.080 dating now is I lean on my friends so much 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.600 to like make sure that I'm making sound choices and 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.159 not just like going back to toxic habits that like 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.919 I grew up around, and I would ask people, I'm like, 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:40.439 what do you think about Brian? Like, I don't know 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.360 if Brian really likes me like he did. These things 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.120 are like day one, he was still talking to girls 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:45.560 but like I don't want to be too insecure, and 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.240 they're like, no, Zoe, he really likes you, He's really 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.119 into you. And I was the one I'm trying to 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.440 like question. But the thing is too, as I said, 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.159 there weren't really other options. 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.760 I was like, that's I mean, that's that's the problem. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.840 I mean, that is the issue with the show is 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.240 you know, the options still I mean, there's more people there, 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.720 but options are still limited. So if if your half 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:11.000