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Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellancamp and Tamra Jedge. Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this week's Two Teas in a Pod with myself,

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Speaker 1: Teddy Mellencamp and Tamra Judge. Who we have it on today?

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Speaker 1: Tamp Oh my god, I am so excited for this

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Speaker 1: because this is one of my very good friends. He

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Speaker 1: knows everything about every housewife ever. Um it's Dave Quinn.

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Speaker 1: He's a journalist and also in New York Times best

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Speaker 1: seller author of Not All Done, Insen Rose. So very

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Speaker 1: on Dave. Hello, du beautiful. So you're coming to us

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Speaker 1: from New York. How is it in New York right now?

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. It's the Omni Crown or Santa cron as

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Speaker 1: I'm calling it variant. It's just spreading like crazy and

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Speaker 1: everyone is mar all over again. And you just got boosted.

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Speaker 1: I just got boosted. Now I feel more powerful than

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Speaker 1: ever to go to the holidays and deal with my family.

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Speaker 1: Right I'm that you can do it. I know I

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Speaker 1: can do it, but I feel like I can't do

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Speaker 1: it right now. It's holidays and years all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: and I'm afraid I'm gonna get sick. So many people

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Speaker 1: I know that got it got sick. You it was

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Speaker 1: only four I got sick, but it wasn't terrible. I

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Speaker 1: didn't actually get sick. Yeah, I got boosted, but it

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Speaker 1: was just like my arm and my neck hurt and

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Speaker 1: I was tired. Oh is that what you were laying

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Speaker 1: on the ground the other day? Yes, that's what I

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Speaker 1: was laying on the thing. Not dramatic at all. That

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Speaker 1: being said, I don't even know if it actually made

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Speaker 1: me feel that way or it's like the placebo sometimes,

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Speaker 1: like I'm the person like you will take an AD

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Speaker 1: film and I'll be like, oh, my headaches gone, no

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Speaker 1: idea for actually that one AD takes the property. Well,

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Speaker 1: I yeah I got. I got knocked on my butt

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Speaker 1: with it. But I was the same way with every dose.

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Speaker 1: It just it's the same thing. It's like just a

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Speaker 1: fever for twenty four hours goes away and and no

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Speaker 1: big deal. Yeah, we have like a mandate now mask

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Speaker 1: mandate in Orange County, which you know aren't Orange County

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Speaker 1: is very yeah, And I'm like, and I went to

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Speaker 1: the Malias day and I wore mine, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, everybody's actually not everybody, but nine ever

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Speaker 1: somewhere wearing masks. Really yeah, because only when I go

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Speaker 1: to Orange County, It's a completely different world out there.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, hello, what's happening l A. I can't even

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Speaker 1: leave my card out. I don't even like go into

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Speaker 1: l A right now. But I feel like it's just

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Speaker 1: so many people have it right now. I knew people

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Speaker 1: in the hospital with it right now. Um, and I

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Speaker 1: think everybody knows somebody that's gotten it. So people are

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Speaker 1: scared now. Yeah, I like them time, Yeah, about time,

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Speaker 1: right two years in, it's about time. I like the

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Speaker 1: mask because I like not being able to smile at anyone,

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Speaker 1: Like I like just kind of you know what. I like.

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Speaker 1: It's just so much easier to just be like yes

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Speaker 1: do in public to kind of make people feel like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're approachable. I don't have to worry about

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Speaker 1: at all. I was in a homegood yesterday and I

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Speaker 1: have my mask on and this lady breach for the

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Speaker 1: same thing as me, and it was a big one,

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Speaker 1: like one of those big and nine and whatever, and um,

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Speaker 1: I said, oh, I'm sorry, and she goes, do I

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Speaker 1: know you? Like? I don't think so, and she's like, wait,

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Speaker 1: your tama right, And I'm like, yeah, Like, how did

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Speaker 1: you even know how you suppose my eyeballs? So, Dave,

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Speaker 1: you're a New York Times bestseller. Now, can you give

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Speaker 1: us a little bit more history for those of listening

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Speaker 1: that aren't clear on who you are, how you got

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Speaker 1: involved in the book everything? Oh my god, Teddy, I

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Speaker 1: want them to. I love being in the background. This

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Speaker 1: is the weirdest thing to be like the guest. I'm

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Speaker 1: used to interview with both of you, so it still

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Speaker 1: feels very strange. But I've worked for oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: almost twenty years now as a journalist in the entertainment

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Speaker 1: fields for publications like People Magazine and Entertainment Weekly, amongst others,

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Speaker 1: and always reporting on Housewives. I kind of built a

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Speaker 1: was talking with Bravo about that and making it into

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Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement was beginning. I was. I was

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Speaker 1: the process. And you just answered about ten of our questions. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's good, it's good. Did anyone decline? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: already asked for money? Oh yeah, a lot of people

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Speaker 1: ask for money. I have. I was keeping track of

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Speaker 1: all that because I thought it was interesting. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people wanted to get paid for it. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm barely getting paid for this. What are you talking?

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Speaker 1: Any name names? I mean, I don't want to blow

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Speaker 1: think that you would say, Well, Vicky Gumbilson asked for money.

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Speaker 1: Of course she did, of course she did. She used

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Speaker 1: and then she goes the next time. Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 1: so she definitely wanted some coins. Okay, So the book

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Speaker 1: work out? It was kind of a mutual discussion. They

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Speaker 1: I like the way it's written because I'm not very

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Speaker 1: It's an easy read. Yeah, that was the idea. And listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be the one to say I

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Speaker 1: always say this is a book of It's a book

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Speaker 1: of opinions, of feelings, not a book of facts. So

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Speaker 1: Everybody has their own opinion of how everything kind of happens. Well,

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Speaker 1: over again, just like in the show, to create a

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Speaker 1: storyline about somebody, right, And you're only as good as

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Speaker 1: this week's episode. So people love you one week and

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Speaker 1: they hate you the next. It's true and there's no winning.

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Speaker 1: I I joked, you know, watching this season of Beverly

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Speaker 1: Renna is using the fact that her daughter is dating

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Speaker 1: Scott Discac for line it's like, that's why you can't

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Speaker 1: as I'm talking about my kids. It makes me feel

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Speaker 1: to talk talking about provo con. I'm talking about provo

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Speaker 1: the record about it. Now you better believe she's going

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Speaker 1: to talk about it. But Ted, you have to remember that,

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Speaker 1: and Tamer doesn't remember this. When I was doing the

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Speaker 1: the Housewives, and you were pissed. You were like, you

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Speaker 1: doing this book. Shit, I'm not talking to anybody. I'm

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Speaker 1: want to lose yet. Yeah, that was the difference there.

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Speaker 1: you were packing, Teddy, you were there, of course that

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Speaker 1: and Teddy knew about this and that was all phony.

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Speaker 1: was going to change the entire season, I maybe would

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Speaker 1: have put makeup on would have made an effort. Normally,

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Speaker 1: you have to go to Kyle's right now for packing.

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Speaker 1: because it's so interesting. You have a lot in common

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Speaker 1: the road. Like that's really how I looked at it,

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Speaker 1: and somebody had already and she was already so open.

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Speaker 1: And then when people came at me and said you

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Speaker 1: on Howard Stern sharing her experience with another woman. She's

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Speaker 1: blatantly sharing these experiences. Yeah, I for a few years.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I'm not your puppet anymore.

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Speaker 1: Like I would be the one where I was at

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Speaker 1: a group party and they'd be like and then the

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Speaker 1: know what's going on. They're like, oh, there, she got

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Speaker 1: about what happened. You know, Yeah, let's talk about having

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Speaker 1: me doing terrible confessionals. And also you assume you like

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I assumed my last season on Housewives it

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Speaker 1: of it. You barely knew I was pregnant, Like I didn't.

426
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: I thought there would be other things to show of me,

427
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 1: that it wasn't just me coming for Denise. But what

428
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: ends up happening is you build those relationships. You think

429
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 1: that you're filming so much that you think, Wow, they're

430
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: going to show all these different aspects of my life,

431
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 1: and then they just show one, and of course the

432
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: audience isn't gonna relate to it. Wow, you're just a

433
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 1: ship ster. They're not doing that. You're a mom, you're

434
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: a business person. Now, that's what they do. And I

435
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 1: had that issue for many years because I didn't have

436
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: my kids in the show, so they never really saw

437
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: me as a mom. They just saw like the strongest

438
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: part of my personality on the show, and that was

439
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: stirring the ship. And I was good at it. So

440
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 1: you know, I got labeled the ship stir and I'm like,

441
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: whatever cut me employed for twelve years. I mean, listen,

442
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: I think that's why we called the book not all

443
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 1: diamonds and or a Truthfully, we wanted it to be

444
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: something that, you know, called back to the show. But

445
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: it's also it's not easy to be a housewife, Like

446
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 1: there are a lot of negative things that you have

447
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: to deal with on a daily basis that I think

448
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't really understand. So do

449
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: you have any other books in the works? Not yet,

450
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: but I mean I'm ready to continue down this path.

451
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: I I said that Below Deck, another popular franchise on Bravo,

452
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,239
Speaker 1: is kind of perfect for this, so I would love

453
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: to jump in it. But I could also write a

454
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: sequel because there was so much in the book that

455
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 1: we couldn't keep in the book because it was just

456
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: too big, so I could write a whole another books.

457
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: Was there anything really juicy that they cut out that

458
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: You're like, why would they cut that out? Well? I

459
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: was surprised, you know, as a fan that there were

460
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: so many women who would film sometimes as test housewives,

461
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: possible housewives who wouldn't become housewives, who were then just removed.

462
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: There were two of them in Orange County. That really

463
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: shocked me that You're like, she was just around season ten.

464
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: There was one right Tamara um uh, Katie I believe

465
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: in human Katie Danielle, Yeah, yeah, who just filmed. They

466
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: filmed all season and we have a lot of those

467
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: stories on the record, but there was just no room

468
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: to kind of fit them in. And that really surprised

469
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: me as a fan. You know, it's like to think

470
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: that there was someone else in all those you know,

471
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: trips and and all those moments, and it was at

472
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: the same time filming confessionals and behind the scenes and

473
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: with her family and you just didn't see any of

474
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: that really shocks me. I'm kind of shocked that they

475
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: decided to do the book. Now, I would think that

476
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: this is something you would do, like when it's coming

477
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 1: to an end, don't know if it's coming to an

478
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: end or it's slow me down? What do you think?

479
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's coming to an end, but I

480
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: think there's a new chapter for sure. Starter you think

481
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: these crossover shows that you know you're a part of

482
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: one of them, and I think just new franchises coming.

483
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like turning a bit of

484
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: a page. Not to be too cheesy and puny about it,

485
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 1: but in the chapter of Housewives, I think it's like

486
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: the old days of the show feeling the way it

487
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: felt is kind of over, and it's it's the right time,

488
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: I think, to get people excited about what might be

489
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: coming next. Yeah, I mean there's new stuff. There were

490
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: just two new Housewives announced in Beverly Hills. Did you

491
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: see that, Teddy? I did. Do you know Diana Jenkins?

492
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: I do. I met her this year, So any t

493
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: that you can give us, like what would she be like?

494
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: I really like her. I thought, like immediately, I think

495
00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: that especially coming into the setting, I I you, especially

496
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: meeting new people, you don't really know how to be.

497
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,239
Speaker 1: She was immediately like chatty and easy going and like

498
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: showed herself. I think that you know she's going to have.

499
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: She's very opinionated, which is good. But she's funny and

500
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: she's beautiful, and she's got a true story, and you know,

501
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: so I think I think she'll be good. Teddy. Are

502
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: you filming this season? I am not, but I did

503
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: make a true I did something for extra and while

504
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: I was doing that, I may or may not be right.

505
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: I have to say. It's so interesting because you both

506
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: joined your respective franchises at very different times in the

507
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: history of them. Timber was just in the third season

508
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: at that point. I mean, she's a very revolutionary housewife, Teddy,

509
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: because she is the first housewife ever to express opinion

510
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: about another housewife. Up until that point, for two years,

511
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: nobody had said anything negative about the other. But she

512
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: was the first. Really. It was like I swear, they

513
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: had just been filming them almost like separately and then

514
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: occasional group scene, but it wasn't even like what it

515
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: is now, where it's group scenes and parties and all

516
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 1: that stuff. Um. But Camera was the first one who

517
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: joined and was like, you know, Gina ki ug I

518
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: could I could sell her under the table or whatever. Um.

519
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: And that changed the direction of the show. Teddy, when

520
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: you came into the franchise, Like now this show is

521
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: like a well oiled machine, and I think it's much

522
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: harder to kind of come in around the time when

523
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: you didn't now, uh, to get your footing with it,

524
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: and then what happens is it takes years for you

525
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: to actually build these real friendships like you have with everybody,

526
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: and then now you're on the show. Yeah. I think

527
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: what people don't remember about my first season. It's like

528
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: I came in what was like already five years old, uh,

529
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: didn't know any of them, and I'm sitting in Vegas

530
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: my first first time meeting everybody, and like they are

531
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: they are not having it, and I was like, this

532
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: is hard, you know, like this is so much harder

533
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: than I expect. I'm in my like, you know, pretty much,

534
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: I look like I'm a Tanya Harding's outfit, like my

535
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: still outfit, and they're all dressed there. I didn't get.

536
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: I glad myself. It's like a whole situation like I

537
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: just didn't know. You don't know until you know, and

538
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: then once you do know, you're like, wow, I really

539
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: I wish I never knew because this makes it so

540
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: much easier before. But I think you know, ultimately the

541
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: fact that I can have good friends with some of

542
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: the women shows that you can live at peace with

543
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: that you can go you know what. I may have

544
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: caused a lot of ship on the show. I may

545
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: have started a lot of drama, but ultimately the people

546
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: that I created relationships with their real and that shows

547
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, long term, yeah, not so much. On my franchise,

548
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: we're gone nually, they don't talk to you anymore. I

549
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: know your your friend Trees became like Survivor. Uh we

550
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: talked about that before, Like on the podcast. It's like,

551
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: we're definitely like Survivor. Like people just want to bring

552
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: you down and take a business down and your family down.

553
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: And we're Beverly Hills like everybody's you know, they have conflict,

554
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: but they stand together like they're they're like true friends.

555
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: And again, it takes years to do that. In New Jersey,

556
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: Jackie Goldscheiner and Jennifer Aiden came in four seasons ago

557
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: now and they've built real friendships with these women and

558
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: now it's like now it's at a point where there's

559
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: long term. You know, they've known each other for four

560
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: or five years. They really have deep roots in some

561
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: of their arguments and they it is richer. So yes, absolutely,

562
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's the problem with Orange County right now,

563
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: there's no real true friends since there's no I don't know, yeah,

564
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: well I do think it's the problem with the franchises

565
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: that they go down the years. It's difficult to maintain

566
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, which is why the criticism towards

567
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills always. I find very funny that people are like,

568
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: well there's a click or you know, Lisa of course

569
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: got tons of criticism and about standing by Erica, and

570
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: it's like, you want these people, these are real friendships,

571
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: Like it's so much more interesting if if they were

572
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: just co stars, none of it would matter. Well yeah,

573
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean when even when it came to Lisa Wrenna

574
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: and everybody would say, well why are you standing? You know,

575
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: you didn't stand by Denise or you didn't stand by

576
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: so and so, but you're standing by Erica. I just

577
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: wanted to be like, well, yeah, she's my best friend.

578
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: You know, she's so I'm closest to what do you

579
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna do? That's reality? Like, well, then there's

580
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: Lisa in Salt Lake City who's not was not standing

581
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: by jen Shaw, who she was friends with, and was

582
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: kind of like, I don't think I want anything to

583
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: do with us, But then when she saw her in person,

584
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: it was she didn't really say that, but her first

585
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: instinct was like, I don't want to get involved, and

586
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: that was her friend. So it's like, well, I would

587
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: probably if I s friend to somebody, be there for

588
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: them myself, right. I think you have to be there

589
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: for somebody until they're guilty they're guilty, or even figuring

590
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: out those steps like being a person that they can

591
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: actually communicate with during their hard times because it's not

592
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: always going to be good. Yeah, And again, it's so

593
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: black and white in everybody's eyes when they're at home.

594
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: But it's like if you've been criticizing somebody for five years,

595
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: six years, however, in the years now for repeating the

596
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: same behavior, and then that person changes and literally does

597
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: what you've been asking them to do, which is like

598
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: grow and change, and then you're still criticizing them for

599
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: that being the way they were. Ye, there's no winning

600
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: for anybody. Do you have a favorite franchise? I love

601
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: them all, really, Potomac has become one that I that

602
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: I kind of really enjoy it because I've never watched

603
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: not one Soda Potomac. You have to. It's crazy, it's

604
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: so good. I hear so many great things. I'm don't

605
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: well now that I have profit again, yes, I'm gonna

606
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: have to watch and timer they've had four cast members

607
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: now that they just wrapped season six, and they've had

608
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: four O g s who have remained on the show

609
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: in all six seasons, which is kind of a bit

610
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: of a record. So it's like, it's interesting to see

611
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: that core for still remain. Um, it's just very good.

612
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: It's I enjoyed that. I also, I'm a New Yorker.

613
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: I love New York. I love New Jersey because of

614
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm Italian too, So I don't know,

615
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: it's very hard to pick a favorite. But so I

616
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: know we're running out of time, but I do a

617
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: little thing on my Instagram where I asked them to

618
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: ask questions for whoever is coming on and a common

619
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: question that I got which I really can't remember. So

620
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to ask you. While you were doing

621
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: the interviews for this book, did you ever say, well

622
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: so and so said blah blah blah. Did you use

623
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: any sort of to get more ormation or how did

624
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: you do it? No, So I tried to interview everybody

625
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: separately in your own little bubble because I didn't want

626
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: just like again, it's integrity is really important to me.

627
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: I didn't want to ever take anything you had said

628
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: an interview and bring it to someone else either, right.

629
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: I wanted everybody to be individual. So I would say

630
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 1: things sometimes like well, oftentimes like fans think this, or

631
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: people think this, and maybe that was repeating something another

632
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: woman had said, but I never said like well, I

633
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: talked to Renna and she told me this, and it's

634
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: just it didn't trying not to be outs in that way.

635
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: So I didn't do it that way. So who is

636
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: your favorite interview? I mean Carol Razwell and I to

637
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: Carol Razwel and I talked for twelve hours straight straight,

638
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: So that for me is it's always going to be

639
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: my favorite. She is a journalist and as well and

640
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: and has a lot of twelve hours experience. Yeah, she

641
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: just kind of had like a very interesting zoom out perspective.

642
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: She's actually the one who told me that a lot

643
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: of the arguments that you see on the show have

644
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: nothing to do with what they're arguing about and more

645
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: to do with the show in and of itself. That

646
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: that like framing of the show often encourages disagreement that

647
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: people can't actually say, which I thought was so interesting

648
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: and it's certain It's a slight red track red flag

649
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: to me that somebody could talk about themselves for twelve hours.

650
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: But she was journalist as well. Yeah, yeah, it was

651
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: more we were talking about the show and less about her,

652
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: but she was really interesting. I don't know that all

653
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: the interviews were super good, I can tell you. I mean,

654
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: I have still questions that I wish I would have

655
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: asked both of you. Okay, you have you have you

656
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: can ask? Is is each one question before we go?

657
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: It us your juiciest one star with Tam Okay, Uh gosh,

658
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: Tamera Okay. So, salary is always such an interesting thing,

659
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: and everybody talked very openly about how much they make,

660
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: how much they don't make, but there's always rumors about

661
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: how much people make. And knowing what your structure is,

662
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: knowing how much you made and you don't have to

663
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: give the number, what do you think about when you hear,

664
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, these rumors about how much people make on

665
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: the Housewives shows. Do you buy into anything? No, I don't.

666
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: I mean certain times, I remember there's a time where

667
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: Vicky's like, can you believe so and so st arnin

668
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: he's making two million dollars a year and I'm like, yeah,

669
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. And of course she

670
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: would send it right to Alex or Doug or somebody

671
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: out production and or Andy and like, why is she

672
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: making this much? I'm the o G. But I don't

673
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: really buy too much into it, Like forever they say

674
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: I make make six hundred dollars a year because when

675
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: I was going through a divorce twelve years ago, it

676
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: was in the court records, right. But we get raisons

677
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: every single year, so so yeah, and Robert does not

678
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: like us to talk about our contract or money or

679
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: anything like that. Yeah, But I mean you have to

680
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: laugh about the fact that when you see a report

681
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: and it's like Kathy Hilton is holding out for two

682
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: million dollars and now they've got her and she's making

683
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: two million. As a friend of that, you you have

684
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: to be sitting on the other end of this room.

685
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: I know that's not true. I've worked with them for

686
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: twelve years. A true who I don't care who you are.

687
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: Money wise, I can't tell you this. You make more.

688
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: You spend more of your first year on housewives than

689
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: you make. Yeah, and everybody told me the same thing,

690
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: especially if you were me, and especially it's funny with

691
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: glam squads and back then. To be honest, I wish

692
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: we never had glam squads because then every day because

693
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: like once it's like Beverly Hill started doing that and

694
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: it just became a constant. Then it's like, it's not

695
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: that you're trying to metamorphos yourself into other people, but

696
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: if you show up and you have not been glammed,

697
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: and everybody else's glad and in a costume, and you

698
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: show up and you're like, and you're messy, bun you

699
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: you're a spore thumb in the picture. Okay, you know

700
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: that more than anyone. Somebody was telling me the other day,

701
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: I wish they never did glam squads. Can't they have

702
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: one housewife strong enough to just show up as herself?

703
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, they did. Her name is

704
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: Teddy Mellencapin. Everyone ragged on her at all. They're like,

705
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: get a silence. No one's ever happy. So I watched

706
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: Miami and everybody's going to a pool party and everybody's

707
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: getting their glam except for Gertie, And I mean she's

708
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: so beautiful anyway. So I'm like, a movie doesn't have

709
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: glamp Squad yet when it comes in the package. Um okay, So, Teddy,

710
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: you and I interviewed before while you were still a housewife,

711
00:37:54,400 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: before you learned of your exit, and I'm curious whether

712
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: you thought that was coming at all. Were you at

713
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: all surprised by it? I was completely surprised, to be honest,

714
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: because I had such a great relationship with production and

715
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: I had already had my meeting to come back, you know,

716
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: like all of these things, Like we had already talked

717
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: about what was going on in my life for the night,

718
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: Like I absolutely had no idea. I do know that

719
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: there was a new showrunner, so there was changes that

720
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: were being made, and that was kind of all I knew.

721
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: And then yeah, no, I mean when I when my friend,

722
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: when of my best he texted me and he's like, hey,

723
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: it's in daily mail that you got fired, I was like, well,

724
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: you found out on daily Mail. Yeah, So I mean

725
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: I think, do you did they telling you the producers

726
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: are Invidio, Bravo. What goes into deciding who's going to

727
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: be fired? Yeah, I mean my understanding is that production

728
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: often you know, advocates for who they want, but the

729
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: decision is always made by Bravo. Um and oftentimes in

730
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: both of your cases, in fact, producers very much disagree

731
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: with Bravo and those things and will fight back and say,

732
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: this is how necessary this person is to the show.

733
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: But Bravo makes the choices ultimately, and it seems to

734
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: be from from what they told me and uh and

735
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: we had that. I think in the book it seems

736
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: to be, you know, decisions that are made by like

737
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: three people at Bravo, and I think it's very subjective.

738
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: I understanding they do focus scripts to right so they

739
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: get feedback. I don't know how much of that they

740
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: take to heart, but yeah, I mean, look, data is data,

741
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: is what my understanding is, Like, you can interpret data

742
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: any way that you want to interpret data. So if

743
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: you're trying to look at something to you know, stand

744
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: by your decision, you're going to do that. But I

745
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: I talk to people throughout this and I would ask

746
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: about bringing people back or why did you fire this person?

747
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: And ultimately what I learned is at the it's very

748
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: subjective because they set rules. They'll say about one housewife, well,

749
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: she doesn't really have much more of a storyline, what

750
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: else is there to explore? And then I'm like, but

751
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: how about these five housewives who you've kept around, who

752
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: don't really have much of at That doesn't make any

753
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: sense to me. There's so many O g s on

754
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: the show that you know, they're just living their life,

755
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: and that's what I thought the show was about. But

756
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: if you're not, like, you know, getting divorced or robbing

757
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: a bank or you know whatever, you're not interested anymore. Again,

758
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: it's these are the sorts of things I'm saying. It's like,

759
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: you can't actually make a rule book towards it because

760
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: it is all totally subjective based on these three people.

761
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: From what I understand in their decision, I hear the

762
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: sirens in the background, and I missed New York. I'm

763
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: miss New York too. I can say one thing that

764
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: I did make a mistake on so right at the

765
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: end of my season, my last season, I was mad

766
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: because I was like, listen, you guys are using me

767
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: in negative like only and not showing any other part

768
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: of my life. I texted. The quote I text was,

769
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: I've trended on Twitter every single week from hate, and

770
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: you guys are giving me anything else but the negative.

771
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: Please like, I'm doing the work, I'm showing up. I

772
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: need you to show my life in some other capacity.

773
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: And ultimately the goodbye happened two weeks later. So well,

774
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I was threatening not to go

775
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: to the reunion because I was so mad at how

776
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: it's kind of the same thing every way that they

777
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: could make me look bad. They made me look bad

778
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: my last season, and I was involved in this big

779
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: lawsuit and people were ringing it up. There's just a

780
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: lot going on. They show any my business and whatever.

781
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: And then so I'm like, I'm not going to the reunion.

782
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: There's no reason I'm quitting. I'm quitting. I was so dramatic, right,

783
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: and the day before the reunion, I was telling Alex,

784
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: I think I'm just gonna go and I'm gonna say that,

785
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, I want to be the first housewife to resign.

786
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: I the reunion, this is my last season. It was

787
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: great piece out right. He's like, you're emotional. Don't do that, Please,

788
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: don't do that. You never know what you're gonna be

789
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: when they need to pick up letters come and then yeah,

790
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: no pick up letter came. Not to burst your bubble,

791
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't have been the first housewife to do it.

792
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: Adrian did it by not showing up Brill union. She

793
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: was the first one because Andy made the rule of

794
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: if you don't show up to the reunion, then you

795
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: don't get to be a housewife. Oh and Lisa did

796
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: it too, right, right, but she did it after and

797
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: she had already let the press know before she didn't show. Well,

798
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: I showed up. I did my job. Yeah, no one's ever,

799
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: No one's ever showed up and quit. That's the thing, Teddy,

800
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: and I was encouraging you to do that, Teddy to time.

801
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: I remember I was like, you should just go and

802
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: quit it. It was I was so emotional. I had

803
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: a hard season. I had a lawsuit. I had just

804
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: found out days before the reunion that my ex husband

805
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: father and my kids had stage three throat cancer. I

806
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: was just like, how am I going to go back

807
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: to the show. My kids need me at home full time,

808
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: which it ultimately worked out for the best because they did.

809
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: I had Sophia full time and it would been just

810
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: too hard. I had to be there for her. Do

811
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: you think it worked out for the best for you

812
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: to Teddy? I think ultimately there are parts that I

813
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: think you go through a grieving process. I think there's

814
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: parts that are really challenging. You get used to it.

815
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: It's a new life for you. It opens more doors.

816
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: There are things that happen, and then once you get

817
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: through that, you let you gotta let yourself be sad

818
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then all of a sudden, now

819
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: the things that I've been able to do since and

820
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: the life that I've been able to live since, I'm

821
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: really grateful for. And it's not I mean, I'm making

822
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: way more money than I ever made on the show,

823
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: so that's what it is. But I mean I missed

824
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: the fun times, I missed the travel. But you know, yeah,

825
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's quite an experience, good and bad, and

826
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: it's hard to go back to your old life. Day.

827
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: Will you come back again for us? Literally any time now.

828
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: I've loved to hear all your opinions on Yeah, where

829
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: do people find you? I'm on both Instagram and Twitter

830
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: at nine days and I any d a d E

831
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: s well now that you are a public person. I

832
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: think you need to change your handles, Dave Quinn. Let's see,

833
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: I would love to number one author, number one best

834
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: selling author of Not All Diamonds and Rose. You guys

835
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: have to get it so any place you want to keep,

836
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: any place you want to send people to buy the book,

837
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: anywhere it's sold. Great. Thank you so much, big, thank

838
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: you so much. Thank you, Dave, Love you,