WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Hall Pass 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.640 The following Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:17.360 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys. Are you ready 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:21.200 for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:25.560 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:30.920 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:36.040 with Nick Eatman, Brian brought us A bar Garcia, and 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:43.319 Derek Eagleton. It is Thursday, January fifth, twenty twenty three, 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.640 Season eighteen, episode number one oh one. Welcome to the 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:47.600 latest edition of The Break. We're life and that s 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:51.440 WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star got my crew here 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.760 with me, and actually, I'm feeling really good. I don't 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:55.080 know how many of you guys have seen it, but 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.640 I just saw news report that there was some really 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:03.680 great news coming out of Cincinnati. Tomar Hamlin's or the 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.520 people that are treating DeMar Hamlin put out some information 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.800 that that was released by the Buffalo Bills, by the 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:15.000 Buffalo Bills saying that he is actually making remarkable progress, 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.199 was able to actually open side last night, was able 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.800 to respond to h you know, you know, requests or 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.520 clinch the hands of family members that were there. H 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.240 just you know, different things that that give them positive signs. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.360 They said they think that it's neurological. He is neurologically intact, 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.360 which is something I think everyone was kind of worried 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.040 about because he was down for so long. But man, 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.200 all that just makes me feel really good that this 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.480 thing might be progressing in the right way, and U 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.360 and we as an NFL community, we may have dodged 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.520 a bullet of some of a serious injury to a player, 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.440 and so I'm feeling really good about that. But today 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.000 we're gonna talk a little bit about a couple of 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:52.840 different topics. We got to get you guys ready for 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:57.720 Cowboys versus Commanders. It's coming up this weekend final game 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.320 of the regular season. Before we get to that, though, 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.800 topic that's near and dear to Nick's heart, the Hall 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.840 of Fame. Last night we find out some finalists uh 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.600 for the Hall of Fame, and the Cowboys have three 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.440 uh former players who are on that list. I'm gonna 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:15.440 start first start because I just wanna I know Nick 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:19.520 has some some some real love for one person in particular, 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:21.680 but I want to give you guys, Oh yeah, we 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:23.679 all do, we absolutely, we all do. We want to 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.359 give you guys a chance to talk about the Cowboys 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.840 guys who are who are on that list Darren Woodson, 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:33.520 DeMarcus Ware and Chuck Howley and uh and and maybe 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.600 they're they're the rational So to why you think that 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.600 they should be on that list and maybe should be 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.000 in the Hall of Fame. Well, I'll start with uh, 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:46.239 Darren Woodson since nobody else has a poster of him 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.839 in their office. But you just got moved this morning, 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:50.600 moved back over. Yeah, I mean had I had to 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.120 wait for him to be a Hall of Fame finalists 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.880 before that happened. Now I think that he uh, he 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:57.919 could have He could have played in any era that 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.000 that you played that you wanted to line him up, 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.359 and he would have been a really really great player. 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.920 U he was. He could be linebacker, he could be 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.920 a corner, he could be you know, he was a safety. Yeah, 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.160 he's a nickel safety that could have covered the slot. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.800 It's just rare. I mean to be a guy that 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.519 that big, that fast, and that's smart. Uh, he could 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.520 do everything and so you know, and then you throw 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.800 that that that's why he should be a Hall of Famer. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.960 Why we're excited about it is because all of those 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.240 things on the field. He's a much better person. Yea, 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:32.360 And everyone that's been in contact with him one time 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.960 wouldn't know that. And so I'm so happy for him. 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.360 I don't know if he'll get in this time, but 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.800 it gets you a little closer to the door. Yeah. 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.520 The thing that um and I actually have seen all 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.160 three of these guys play as a kid. I got 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:52.920 to see Chuck Hawley play and still the only MVP 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.720 and a Super Bowl from a losing team, if you 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.200 and yeah, and but here's a guy that played with 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.000 Leroy Jordan. Uh, you know they're both in the Ring 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.560 of Honor. You talk about a guy a model of 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.000 consistency throughout his career, played in a fourteen game schedule, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.920 and then if you look at his numbers, it's fourteen 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.960 games every year. I mean throughout his whole career. He 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.000 suffered a knee injury. Yeah, he suffered, Yeah, suffered a 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.200 knee injury very early in his career, and then from 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.800 that point on just played throughout. And you talk about 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:29.520 when you watched him play, Uh, there was that we 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.680 We've always marveled at the linebackers and the ones that 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.200 we know here, like the guys like the Sean Lees 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.440 and people like that that have that ability to see 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.479 the play develop and get to the play and finish 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.640 the play. You never saw Chuck Halley missing tackles. And 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.880 that's the thing about I always remember he played on 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.920 some really good defenses, uh, you know, with the Cowboys 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.800 in the early seventies and stuff like that, and you know, 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.200 and through some championship games and stuff too, through football 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.800 history against the Packers and things like that. Very very 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:04.200 deserving of I would be I'll be interested to see 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:09.000 if if the Seniors Committee can get him through. Rick Goslin, 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.480 who lives here cover the team the Cowboys forever, is 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:18.000 a guy that has taken upon himself to champion these 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:22.080 Dallas Cowboys that seemed to be forgotten before nineteen eighty nine. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.240 You know, the guys, the Bob Hayes, the Rayfield Rights, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.000 guys like that. He's taken it upon himself to try 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.520 and get these players pushed over the goal line. And 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:34.520 so hopefully he can get that done. But man, you 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:40.120 talk about a guy with Chuck Hallie though around the ball, intercepts, fumbles, 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.479 you name it. He was able to do that. You 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:47.120 know what's funny to me is that where in Woodson 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:52.279 they're called like modern day finalists, but it's still not 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.880 my modern day like when I got into the NFL. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.400 That was like way past when I initially started following 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.320 the NFL and all that. But I've gotten to know 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.839 them and the way they played because of some of 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.719 the documentaries that we've done here with the Cowboys, and 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.360 it's amazing like that type of play watching them play. 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.359 I mean I was here when I guess towards the 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.320 end when the Marcus kind of he retired and all that, 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.680 but I still didn't know much of his history. But 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:27.039 watching them play back then, it's sorry, it's so fun, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.880 like it's such a different type of game. Even Woodson 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.040 the play the way that he played that we don't 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.839 really get to see those type of players anymore nowadays, 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.919 so going back, and that sucks that I kind of 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:45.240 missed that area era in time period where football was 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.800 very different than what it is now. I mean, more 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:53.040 aggressive and all that and more like a hardcore, exhausting 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:58.040 and it's just a different game. But I would imagine 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:02.960 much more exciting for the watchers and the viewers. So anyways, 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.880 just going by you, it's it's impressive and Woodson, like Nicksa. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:11.000 You talk to him and he's such such an amazing guy, 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:15.480 and not just what he did as a player himself, 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.640 but what he was able to do for other people 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.960 as well and other teammates. It's just impressive and I'm 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.000 very happy for him, and then as a group too. Yeah. 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:26.720 The thing about it is the last draft I was 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.080 involved with with the Cowboys was the where one. And 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.160 you don't know, well, we all know, I mean from 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.840 stories and stuff, the documentaries and things that you guys 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.000 have done through the years, what a you know that 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.760 was that was an ordeal to get that done. I 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.600 mean that on Merriman was that Jean Merriman and Bill 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.160 Parcels and we all know Bill Parcels. He's a very 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.000 headstrong guy, and you know, and he really took it personal. 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.680 And Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, you know, the scouts that 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.240 pushed that one through, you know, to get where here. 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.200 He was everything that everybody ever talked about in that 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.880 room about him, you know, and here he went to 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.800 a very small school man. He's like a small school guys, 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.920 you don't know, the Buffalo Bills forever made a history 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.360 of taking small school guys and going to the Super Bowl, 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.560 you know, on Andre Reid's and guys like that, and 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.040 so you know when you brought, when you brought where 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.240 are in you knew? And so the thing and the 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.040 thing about Woodson, I was in the league for thirteen 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.600 years as a scout, and I was with very fortunate 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.880 to be with some other Hall of famers, the Reggie Whites, 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.560 you know, Brett Farrevs. Guys like that, great players. It's 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.360 the best football player I've ever been with, best football 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.800 player I've ever been on a team with. You know, 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.840 of all these great Hall of Fame players, and I 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.559 never could understand why. I never couldn't understand why is 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.800 this guy not a Hall of Famer? Because Nick described 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.800 him perfectly. There's nothing this guy could do. He would 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.760 get a he would get a turnover, and then they 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.079 would score, and then he would be on the kickoff team. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.480 He never came off the field never, it didn't matter. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.960 I mean, he's covering kicks, he's covering, he's doing everything. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.120 He's playing line back, he's playing safety's covering your slot. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.080 I mean, when you just sat down and watched him play, 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.960 there was nothing this guy couldn't do. And I just 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.480 remember him coming at Arizona State too. Dave Campo tells 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.160 great stories about him and how Dave you know, and 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.880 convinced Jimmy and all that. But man, what a what 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.080 a what a football player? Best I've ever been around. 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.800 And the interesting part about about what he is not 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.120 only just could he do everything on the football field 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.199 off the football field. Like he left the football he 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.839 left football he went into broadcasting. Still to this day, 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.440 I tell him all the time that's his gift, like 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.880 he is. He was so good on ESPN and the outside. 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:37.440 He didn't want to do that, Yeah, and went into 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.760 commercial real estate and now killing that. Like it's just 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.480 like anything he touches, it just seems like he has 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.760 a knack for figuring it out and doing it exceptionally well. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.079 And the thing about it is is his story when 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:50.520 he got a chance that we got a chance to 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.839 do a documentary Rob Phillips, sam Or was a part 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:53.960 of why Well, you can go check it out on 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.679 our on our website. Path to Safety is what it 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:00.600 was called, I believe um. And the thing is, when 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.400 he was in college at Arizona State, he missed his 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.160 first year. He was labeled and this is what they 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.120 labeled him back then was a PROP forty eight, which 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:13.240 basically said, you're not smart enough to play right now. Yeah, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.480 you're good enough as a football player that we want 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.040 to keep you and work with you, but you can't 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.680 be a part of the team right now. He said, 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.200 it's the most embarrassing he's ever been in his life 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.520 because he you know, they labeled the kids, yeah, you know, 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:31.679 fair or unfair, and mostly unfair, and that motivated him 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.160 and that drove him to the point where when he 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.040 got on that football field and the classroom, he was 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.040 completely different. Now look at him, he owns his own 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.200 business like a goosebumps just talking about him because he 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.400 really is. He's an amazing person and player. You talk 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:49.640 about that Prop forty eighth stuff. Those kids were that stigma. 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.880 And I never saw one that didn't graduate. Every single 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.839 Prop forty eight that I was ever with graduated. It 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.560 was never an academic problem, never. So I mean that 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.520 just shows you that. And fair or unfair it was 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.240 at the time, you know it is. But those kids 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.600 they realized they had to carry that, and they worked 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.840 so hard and they wanted to make sure that they 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:12.760 grabbed me and a lot of them carry that and 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.480 say it was a prop forty eight and you kind 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.720 of felt like, Okay, you felt bad for him, You 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.160 really really did, because there's such good football players. Maybe 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:20.720 they struggle a little bit, Maybe you were dealing with 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.480 dyslexia or something like that. You couldn't maybe they weren't 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:28.040 being taught. Well, no, that's a fact. No, no, it happens. 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.720 A lot of things happened along the way. But if 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:34.040 you if you, if you had a kid and you said, hey, 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.480 I want you to be like I told Bennet Bross 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.440 and Bennett knows Darren once I said, be like him, Bennett, 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.320 be like that guy. That's the guy you need to try. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.600 Don't don't look at anybody else. Look at that guy 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.440 over there. That's who you want to be like, right, 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:50.040 the most loyal person, Oh, no question, because he had 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.920 a friend, as documented you know that we did in 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.520 the documentary. He had a friend that was going down 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.640 the wrong path and did did go down the wrong path. 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:02.760 And but he never let Darren come with because he 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.160 knew you're gonna make it. Yeah, don't come to this party. No, 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.560 no, no no, no, you can't come here because you're not 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.880 you got a football career, and this guy went to 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:16.719 prison for twenty years, twenty five years. Never saw him 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.360 play in the college or pros. But Darren called him 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.800 every singles Tuesday, called him, took his even took his 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.480 own son up to visit him, never turned his back 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.360 on his friend. We interviewed him for the story to 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.560 a get real emotional, but I mean that's just you know, 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.240 even when you were telling him, hey, hey hey, you don't 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:34.600 need to mess with this guy. You're in the NFL, 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.280 he's like his family. Yeah. Well, that's the thing I've 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:44.640 learned to really appreciate sports is because a lot of 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.400 the time, so this is not just Darren Woodson. This 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:51.240 happens to so many players in the league. The environment 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.400 that they grow up in where it's just there's not 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:59.440 many options and there's really no financial stability there. It's 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.720 a bad environment. And we know, like you become, you 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:07.679 tend to become what you surround yourself with. And sometimes 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:11.120 where you're nobody else has done it in your family, 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:15.760 it's hard to get through that, like get past that 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:19.920 and just rely on something that it's let's say sports. 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.120 So many of these guys kind of get out of 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.960 that and become a different person because of sports and 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:31.120 their ability, So that's like a different side of things. 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:35.000 Just it's impressive, even the people that don't get to 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:39.319 make it into a Hall of Fame finalist, but just 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.840 in general, and we know, we've worked with other people 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.400 that have come from a different background and we're in 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:48.400 sports and are now people that really work for like 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.760 trying to help others and help the community in different 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:56.000 ways and try to impact younger people. So it's just 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.560 it's always amazing to me to see kind of the 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:02.000 background of some of these people and players and see 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.560 how hard it was and look how were and how 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.360 they've become nowadays. Yeah, my hope is that all three 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.520 of these men getting because I think they're all three 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:14.199 deserving And it's really especially I'm excited for Woody as 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.280 a person just because I know him as a person. 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:17.880 I know him to be a good person, so I 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.000 want to see a great thing happened for him. But 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.760 even for DeMarcus, it's interesting and it's it's exciting for 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.240 me because now we're getting that era of players like 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.760 I literally was here. I remember the day I first 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.880 saw him walk in the building as a wiry kid 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.480 that was kind of skinny, like he's gonna be on 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:36.320 the defensive line, and then watched his career every single 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.240 play and and all of the ups, the downs, the 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:43.080 scary times, we had, the situation with the neck. Yeah, 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.880 they're all these moments, and so it's kind of cool 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.720 to now see that all come full circle and him 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.200 get this opportunity to possibly be in the Hall of Fame. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.160 That's what I was just gonna say, full circle. Going 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.960 back to Woody, Arizona is where he's from. He's from, 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.720 you know, that's where he grew up. And I believe 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.200 that's where the super Bowl is, right where the announcement is. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.720 So he's going back to Arizona, you know, like here, 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.880 this is where it all started, and you get announced 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.520 the obviously the Hall of Fames in Canton, Ohio, but 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.360 the announcement, yeah, you know. And again I don't think 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.480 it's going to happen for him this year. I don't. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:21.360 I don't think to get him there. And then you know, 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:26.000 Zach Thomas, another former cowboy kind of kind of he'd 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.680 been in like four years. I would say, to believe this, 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.720 he's gotten to this round for I mean, Tory Holt, 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.120 I mean, these guys, it just takes a little bit 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.280 of time to kind of get here, but you know, 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.480 once you get in the door here, then you kind 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.960 of stay in the bill happen. The best thing for 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:45.920 I mean, for a lot of guys form like where 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.480 and Derek just hit the nail on the head. There 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.760 was a time where voters hadn't seen a lot of 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.520 these guys playing, and now you're sitting there and that's 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.560 why you're glad for the Senior Committee where you have 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.880 guys like Rick Goslin and them on that are able 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.960 to say, well, listen, Claude Humphrey for the Atlanta Falcons 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.840 used to rush the passer just as well as Deacon 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.680 Jones did with the Los Angeles Rams, you know, I mean, 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.920 they're you're now starting to see voters like, oh, I 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.760 remember this guy, I remember this guy, and now it's 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:14.400 you know, it used to be like well, I'll just 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.440 take your word for it, you know, and then you 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.640 don't get a vote when it's like you're not sure, 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.560 you know. And it is a stout list, I mean, 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.040 it really really is. A style is going to be 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.360 a tough thing to make it this year because there 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:27.640 are a number of guys. I look at this list 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.120 and I'm like, man, they need to be in the 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.160 Hall of Fame. Well Wood. He also played in an 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:36.040 era too, with Ed Reid and Troy Paulamalo and people 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.000 like John Lynch. You know there were I mean, let 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.800 me tell you what I mean, Leroy Butler, I was 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.880 with both. I was gonna say, okay, Darren Woodson, Darren 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.240 Woodson's a better player than Leroy Butler if you told 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.080 me right now, and trust me, you know my history 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:54.520 with the Green Bay Packers, Darren Woodson is a better 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.720 player than Leroy Butler and all facets of the game. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.760 And Roy Butler is a good player, he was a corner, 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.760 got converted and all that, but you look at the 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.639 body of work. Darren Woodson was a far better player, 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.000 and Leroy Butler got in and I you know, to 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.920 this day, I've said it before in radio. I mean, people, 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:17.200 who do you? I love Leroy Butler, but Darren Woodson 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.199 is a better football player and deserves to be in 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.080 the Hall of thing. Tell one more story about him, 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.840 just kind of shows a character that he has. Back 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.280 in two thousand and two thousand and one, I mean, 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:30.120 you know, the team wasn't playing well obviously, and there 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.720 was one guy that was the star obviously, Yeah Smith, 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.800 I mean he was. He was still the guy. By 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:37.480 the way, Well, I think I know which one you 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.560 talk well, I mean, and and this team was you know, 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.520 we're awful. No, no, we're awful. You know, as Brian says, 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.639 you love to throw this back into space. No, absolutely know. 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:50.600 He's not wrong. The thing about it is, though, too, 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.359 I felt terrible because I knew how great of a 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.360 player Darren Woodson was to have to put up every 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:00.240 week with this crap. In the locker room all the 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.600 media was going on, There'd be four or five players 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:03.960 that would sit there and they would just love to 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.440 play dominoes. They would play dominoes. And Emmett was part 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:11.480 of it, im Robert Thomas, there's others I can't think. Yeah, 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:15.919 but Darren called him out, called out. Emmett said, you 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.879 know what, we need to stop playing damn dominoes and 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.879 and get in the playbook, get in there, you know. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.959 And I'm just you know, em Emmett took offense to that, 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:27.639 and I mean it got into the media as a 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:29.960 story and Emma tried to, you know, kind of brush 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.240 it off or whatever. But you know, Darren, Darren was like, hey, 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.119 we got enough of this guy. I don't care who 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.240 you are, Like, we got to get better. And that's 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.639 true leadership. Yeah, when you're willing, when you're willing to 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.280 say what needs to be said to whomever it needs 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.760 to be said to, Right, that's really well. I'll tell 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.800 you the game. Remember the Tarrell Owens Star game where 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.400 he got George t took a run at him. Darren 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:53.040 Woodson got kicked out of that game too, okay for 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.000 something that happened earlier in the game. I remember going 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:57.720 down from the press box and going into the locker 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.760 room to go tell wood he had you know, I 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.040 appreciate everything you've done, just to basically apologize again. So 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.600 I'm down there with Woody. He I'm sitting there watching 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.240 the game, sitting in the locker stall. He goes and showers, 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.199 tea comes in and Tigue's like like oh, and like 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.920 wood he goes, what the hell did you do? He goes, 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.200 I took a run at Owen's I got kicked out too, 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.120 And he goes, It's about damn time somebody got mad 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.840 around here. You know, it's about time you know. I mean, 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.480 that's just the type of guy that Darren Woodson was. 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.959 The great stories about him with breaking his arm in Baltimore. 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.240 It just tape it up and let's you know, Britt 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.320 Brown walking him in full uniform over They don't have 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.480 an X ray machine. That didn't stadium in Baltimore. That's 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:39.679 come a long way since then, I guess. But but 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:41.800 now you're in a situation where he's like, just tape it, 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.560 we're gonna play. He's absolutely the example of that guy 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.359 that on the field he is one guy. Off the field, 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.479 he's exactletely different guy, right because on the field he 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.560 was intense, he was in super intense and could play 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.640 the game and played it really aggressively. He's the only 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.560 player still I wrote this in the story, he's the 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.679 only player that has played for five coaches in the 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.160 in Cowboy's history. Really, yeah, he's the only one that's 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.239 played for five. And he said that it was one 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.359 year with Parcels, and he said he wished there was 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.560 a lot more with Parcels. I could see that too, Yeah, 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:14.119 I could see that because that that's the kind of 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.119 coach you would think a personality like Darren's would really 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.680 really love right. Well, one one day at training camp 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.000 and oh three first year we were down in San Antonio, parcels. 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.720 This is probably scripted. He took the he didn't like 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.960 what was going on in practice. He took the entire 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.320 coaching staff and they just walked on and walked off, 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:32.680 and the practice was still going on right thirty minutes 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.120 or so, and it was almost like what happens and 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:39.240 Darren the practice ran in the practice and then huddled 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:40.960 him up at the end and said, we're not talking 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:42.840 to the media. We don't know what's going on where 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.400 everybody just asking the locker room and all that. But 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:47.560 you know, and I think I think Bill did that 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:49.760 on purpose to kind of see when Bill got here, 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.840 he had a conversation with Woody and basically told him like, 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.200 if you just if you go scorch earth on us, 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.199 that's fine. Yeah, you know, we're you know, we deserved this, 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.600 you know. So he he knew that that's that's a 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:04.600 that's a great great man, great player. So and so 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:06.879 and so is all three of the day press conference? 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:11.120 Are they really all yeah? So we'll be yeah, well 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.160 we'll have that aired on our website, mobile app, everything. 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.280 One more thing about this. Chuck Calley, Yeah, you know, 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.040 you know he had twenty five interceptions in his career 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.680 really as a linebacker. Yeah, six of them one year. Wow. 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.879 He um, that's twenty five. That's a career for But 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.440 but I'm gonna I'm gonna say this about the process. 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:34.960 Chuck halle Is could go into the Hall of Fame. Yeah, 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.600 he's not gonna know that. Yeah he's still alive. Yeah, 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.280 but he's was he got dementia. I mean it's bad. 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:46.000 I mean he doesn't and and it's the story was 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:49.080 told Mickey, Mickey Spagnola his talk to the Sun. His 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.280 son might be here for the press conference today and 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:53.800 they told him he's get dad. He made it to 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:55.560 the Hall of Fame. He was like, that's that's nice. 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.760 He you know, that's what he hasn't made a play 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:01.560 in forty something fifty the years. Yeah, the process has 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:05.560 got to change. Let these guys experience that the joy 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:08.280 of being in the Hall of Fame and get this 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:10.560 thing spread up a little bit if possible. I don't 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:13.000 know how. I know it's easier said than done. But 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.919 the sad part is is that he's a Hall of Famer. 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.320 He's going to be a Hall of Famer and he's 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:21.359 never really going to get the experiences. How do you 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:22.840 fix that? And I don't want to get I know 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:24.639 we got we got only so much time. But the 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:26.879 question becomes like do you make it to where you 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:28.960 just put in a lot of guys because that's the 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:31.359 issue is that you only have so many people you 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.840 want to have gold in a particular year and that's 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:37.160 what makes it so special. Yes, how do you do stuff? 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:39.440 You know, the guy shouldn't be in like Bob Grucy 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.320 and I need to be in the different room. Yeah, 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:44.120 you know, you want to be in not the Hall 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:46.959 of Good Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine, but I need 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:49.040 I need to be in a different room than these guys. 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:52.399 And he's not wrong. I mean like he's on a 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.399 different level and they have actually done that. I mean 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:58.200 it's kind of like, you know, it's like when you graduate, 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:00.440 everyone's graduating and then these people that have like the 0:23:00.720 --> 0:23:04.160 gold tassels didn't have those. But that's kind of stuck. 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.960 I had the hat right. Yeah, it was like first ballot, 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:09.200 but that's what they do for you know, well you're 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:11.639 not a first ballot. That's why d Work got screwed 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:14.159 last year. They didn't want to make him my first ballot. 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.040 You know. One of the one of the my favorite 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.040 pictures I have in my phone. We were at the 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.639 Hall of Fame years ago and we were touring with 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:24.800 the team and Marcus asked me to take a picture 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:28.080 of him in front of Deacon jones bust and still 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:29.800 got it on my on my on my phone, took 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.440 a picture of him there. And now there's a chance 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:34.880 that he will be have his bust right in there 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.560 with those guys, which he just pretty Jones's bust because 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:40.399 they do it by years. Ye. So yeah, I have 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:42.520 to travel down. His bust will have to travel down. 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:44.080 It'll be a little farther away. He'll have to make 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.160 a little trip down there to get it. I'm still cool. 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:49.560 That's my favorite part of it, of the Hall of Fame. Yeah, 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:52.240 that's the best part. Walking through, yes and kind of 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:54.440 looking and then they were all like a critic, You're 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:58.560 like looked like him, like, oh that definitely looks like 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:00.600 and read or you know, or something body like They're like, 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:02.280 they did a good one here. But for me, it 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:04.080 is like going back through my childhood because I go 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:06.560 back to those years, and like guys that were getting 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:08.719 in in the nineties. That means they were playing when 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:10.680 I was a kid. You know, you look at those 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:13.760 guys very very differently. So like like Jerry Jones a 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:15.840 Hall of Fame party, you see all these guys walking 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:18.280 around these yellow jackets, and you're running into guys that 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:20.800 you watched playing when you were a kid. It's it's 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:26.159 pretty cool that it was a pretty awesome. Let me 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.760 just like, you got someone like me that's wucking around. 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:31.119 I'm like, well, that guy most to be important. Okay, 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:34.359 I don't know him, but he's got a yellow he 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:37.160 got helmet throwing up in the bathroom. And I don't 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:43.200 say that there was There was about four hundred Hall 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:45.479 of famers there with their gold jackets, which means there 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:49.320 was four hundred and one gold jackets. But uh, that's funny. Yeah, 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:53.800 you're right about that jacket. It was his own gold jacket. 0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:55.800 All Right, we're gonna take our first break week. We're 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.440 gonna come back into the break. 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Are logging on to the shop dot 0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:17.000 Dallas Cowboys dot com a fanatics experience and grab Cowboys 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:20.800 Nation worthy hoodies, teas, accessories, and more. Welcome back. It 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:22.840 is the second segment of the Break Life Nest WBC 0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:25.359 Mortgage Studios at the Star. This one more thing about 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:32.680 woods our helmet whichever one present you buy blockchain dot com. 0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:37.119 I'm hopeful that at some point here, especially if if 0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:40.120 he if he gets in love, we can We'll see 0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:41.960 if maybe we can pull Woodie over here and get 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.000 him on the show one day and yeah, talk to 0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:45.639 him about some stuff. Well, we'll see if we can 0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.200 arrange it. He's always a great interview he is, and 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:49.960 you can ask him questions about the Cowboys. You know. 0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:55.040 I think Nick has his number twenty eight. Oh no, 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:59.280 if you If you don't, I'll give it to you. Yeah. 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.640 I mean, I wasn't say this, but but I will. 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:05.440 I'll say it. Yeah. No, I'm not. I'm not gonna 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:08.240 say that that we are friends because we're not. Like 0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:10.600 I don't he probably No, No, No, you're friends. I 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:12.400 don't know. I don't want to. I don't know you're 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.920 friend texted him last night. Yeah, I just said congratulations, 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:21.320 so you know, well deserved. Typical Darren. He wrote back 0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:24.080 and said, thanks, appreciate it. How you've been You've been 0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:26.280 all right? I mean, like, how many text us do 0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:27.840 you think he's getting at the time, you know, And 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:31.400 that's just that's just him. You know, we didn't. He's 0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:33.119 one of those guys that has that rare ability that 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:36.840 when you're talking to him, you feel like you're important 0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.000 to him, you know what I mean. There's not everybody 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:40.320 in the world that's like that, but he's one of 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:42.640 those rare people that when you whenever you're talking to him, 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.200 you feel like he's connected with you at that moment. 0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:47.880 It's never like yeah, yeah, I'm moving on to something else, 0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:50.960 you know. And that's just like that. I'm gonna take 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.680 that back. We are friends, your friends. We're friends your friends, 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.440 your friends. Yeah, I mean I just because you don't 0:28:56.480 --> 0:29:00.360 want to say that, like, oh, I'm just say as 0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.320 a friend because to me, like one of the proudest 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:05.600 moments I ever had. When he was working at ESPN, 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.480 he likes to bounce ideas off yeah, and he would say, hey, listen, 0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:11.520 this is what I'm seeing about this football team. And 0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:13.520 here's a guy that's potentially going to go in the 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:15.960 Hall of Fame and he's asking me questions about his team. 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.440 And I'm thinking, like, man, you're Darren Woodson, Well do 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:22.040 you don't need my opinion? He and but it's what 0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.880 made him great on the air. Absolutely, He's like he's 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:26.320 like he'd called me up and he'd say, hey, Brian, 0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:28.840 I'm seeing this about this football team. What do you seeing? 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:32.400 And we would we would have like an hour conversation. 0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:34.440 He goes, okay, man, I gotta go to set and 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.240 I and I was like, all right, man. And then 0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:39.120 like two days later, hey, well we were thinking about 0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:41.520 talking about this and we he and I would just 0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:44.360 shoot the bull about this team. And I was I 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.400 was honored. I was honored that this guy even wanted 0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:51.040 my football opinion something. He's he's done that before with 0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:53.160 me and never mind me like the one time though 0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:55.760 even even more than that, I did a radio show. 0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:57.520 He's like, you do an interview? Can you come on 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.040 you know, NFL radio on Saturday? You know what? Serious? 0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.040 You know? I don't see. I was like, whatever it is, 0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.520 it's a lot, it's gonna be. It's gonna be Chris 0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:08.760 and and Dan I'm like, I'm like whatever, d Yeah, 0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:10.880 I remember, like I don't know, okay, cool and I'm 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:15.920 Chris Nick even him. And then and then Dan has 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:20.520 a question. It was like Dan Nick Dan Reeves, yeah, 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:22.560 head coat, Like I was like what. He was like, 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:24.200 what are you see? And I was just like this 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.800 is I don't feel right about this, like Hall of 0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:29.560 Fame coach or you should be your super Bowl coach. 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:32.640 I was just like Dan Reeves, well, Dann, what I see. 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.440 I didn't feel good about that at all. His son's 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:42.000 one of the best though, too, Jod we talk about 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.920 your friend that we got time for some Joe d Star, No, 0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:47.160 we don't. We gotta get back in. He was awesome. 0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:49.080 We get that another time, you know, the king of 0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:52.800 the sayings, oh god, yeah, the best. Yeah, Joe as 0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:56.240 the Ragman, Joe as the Ragman. It's his own name. 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.960 He just uses it as his own name. But but yeah, 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:00.960 we're on the field and La and I don't. I 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.040 don't typically go on the field, but he was over there. 0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:05.200 I was just like, well, I'm just walking on the 0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:06.920 field here. I hope I don't get hit by a punt. 0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:08.560 You know, it's like pretty not the sideline, this is 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:10.400 literally on the field. Oh yeah, this is on the field. 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.160 He's got his guys. I just went over there and 0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:14.280 he was warming up the punter time because I was 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:16.920 with you. Yeah, I think I grabbed Chris to go 0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.640 with me. Look more official, like he was go out 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:21.600 filming something. Oh I don't want to go those. I 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:23.360 just come on, you go with me? Yeah, yeah, because 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.719 he's got the mast. Yeah, like, come on, that's right. 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.800 I forgot you. Just gotta know, Nick, you just walk 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:31.680 on like you're supposed to be on there. That's my 0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.480 that's got on a sport coat and you look like 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:36.080 you're supposed to be there, and nobody will stop you 0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:39.000 getting an officials pass. Just go, it works, Bryan, just hey, 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:42.480 how are you doing good? Good to see Yeah, A 0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:44.240 seven are supposed to be here. Let's go. Come on, 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.080 let's keep keep moving. All right, let's pip this say 0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.200 not talked about the way that game. Let's talk about 0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:52.840 let's talk about the Washington defense. First of all, one 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:54.840 thing I need to note, I went and looked at 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.600 the injury report yesterday. They're banged up. I'm not sure 0:31:57.720 --> 0:31:59.760 Washington will want to play their guys this week. Yeah, 0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:03.720 there would you look, I know, and I want to 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:05.480 see what it looks like today. But when you look 0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:07.280 at the list of guys that did not play, did 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:10.080 not practice yesterday, and look at it from standpoint of 0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:13.000 guys that are starters for them. You've got Jonathan Allen, 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:16.360 You've got Montes Swett, You've got Jamon Jamon Davis, You've 0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:21.040 got Cornelius Lucas, You've got Andrew Norwell, You've got Brian Robinson. 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:23.800 It's a long list of guys that did not practice. 0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:26.680 We'll see what happens today, right, but as of yesterday 0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:29.200 a lot of their guys were sitting out of practice 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:32.720 with injuries. Yeah, their defense is the one I think 0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.000 that's kind of nicked up right now. Jonathan Allen and 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:39.160 then Kareem Curl and then Benjamin Saint Juice are the 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:41.040 ones you kind of need to worry about in this game. 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:45.160 It's still you watched them play against the Browns last week, 0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:48.520 and they got after the Browns. They made these guys. 0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:50.600 I mean it is a good front. I mean it's 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.920 a good front seven. You mentioned jam And Davis, you know, 0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:57.440 with him, David Mayo, those guys. They get after it, 0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.640 they really really do. Then they got Chase Young back, 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.680 that's the thing. And Chase Young is back rushing the passers. 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:06.400 So yeah, so well you know we'll see and but 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:10.360 you know, sweat Payne Alan would be a huge loss 0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:14.360 for them in my opinion because he he really controls 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:16.840 the middle of that defense, and especially if you're kind 0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:20.120 of having to deal with moving guys around, uh you know, 0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:23.360 if you get you know, if if Tyler Smith has 0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:26.440 to play inside at Tyler Smith's a strong guy. But 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:30.040 these two defensive tackles are really strong, and they're act 0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:33.920 The thing when you watch the Commanders play, they they're 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:36.760 up the field. I mean they're and and one, and 0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:40.600 teams were hit them on plays where it's like the 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:42.720 quick hitters like that, you know, where all of a 0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.560 sudden you see him upfield and then it's like when 0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.160 you when you break that first group. Now they have 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.680 a big play, but you gotta get it past that 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:54.640 first group of guys because they're gonna be really disruptive 0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:56.840 in this game. They're gonna go for tackles for loss. 0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.840 You know, defenses, that's what they do. But these guys, 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:01.720 I mean, they're so big, and they and the way 0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:04.400 that they get up the field and get around blocks 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:06.840 and now they're they're penetrating and they don't let you 0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:10.160 start running the ball. But the teams that have had success, 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.080 like I say that the Browns did a good job 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.400 of the perimeter runs. They were able to kind of 0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.960 control the edges, whether that was against Sweat or against 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:21.239 Chase Young, they were able to kind of secure that 0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:24.239 edge and get the ball to the outside there to 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.960 where they were able. It wasn't so easy running inside. 0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.880 Everything to the outside was a lot better shape for 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:33.200 and I think the Cowboys in this game, I don't 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:36.400 think you know, the game plan against the Titans appeared 0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:39.480 to be more inside runs this scene needs. And maybe 0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:41.960 with Tony Pollard it will be different too. It'd be 0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.000 more of the perimeter runs. I think that's how you 0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.200 find a way. They're a good tackling defense. I think 0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.959 Kendall Fuller at at corner is a good player. Saint 0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.120 Juice is hurting them, Like I said, the other corner. 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.560 They're using this Danny Johnson number thirty six. He's a 0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:58.759 guy who's been with him for a few years. But 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:00.840 it's not the same Saint used as a guy that 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.600 can cover. I mean when you talk about him and Fuller, 0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:06.120 you can match up and they could kind of take 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:09.600 guys and and handle it. It doesn't matter. It's not like, oh, 0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:11.920 you have to travel you you know, you have to stay. 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:15.760 Both these guys, I mean either side, whatever, whatever side 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:19.840 you put Lamb on, they can cover. Now that's but 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:22.920 with Danny Johnson in there, that's the guy I would tack. 0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:25.279 I wouldn't tack Kendall Fuller on the other side. I 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.120 would attack Danny Johnson if he was in there. If 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:32.160 that was me, I still got the Holcomb the linebacker. No, 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.440 they do not. Who's who's he with play? I only 0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:37.160 played last year. I don't. I haven't seen him. I 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:38.920 think he would see if he's on the injured reserve, 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.440 But I don't think that he is. I just remember 0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:43.520 that was a guy that Cowboys really light. Yeah, I'm sorry, 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:45.839 he's on IR week twelve. Yeah, I did not see him, 0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:48.759 Yeah Holcomb. Yeah. But with all these guys injured, like, 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:53.719 what's really the need or necessity for them to play 0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:57.239 them at this point? I think there's I think that 0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:01.040 to me the way that I would look at it 0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:03.840 as a pride factor to finish out, they have a 0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:07.320 chance to be eight eight and one, you know. And 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.880 and that's remember Jason Garrett back in the day, like 0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:13.919 trying to get to you know, get one game above 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:16.480 five hundred was so he played some games where they 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:19.360 they were trying to get above five hundred because for 0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:22.080 so many years it was at stigmas like he he's 0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:24.960 a five hundred coach. So he played a game against 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:27.640 I think it was the Commanders, So he played everybody 0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:31.040 in the game just to get above five hundred. They 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:32.560 might be trying to they don't want to have a 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.200 losing record. Yeah, and lets also be clear, I mean, 0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:38.279 there's nothing to say that this head coach is safe, 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:41.759 that these players are safe. So they're about to change 0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:45.440 ownership to get yet to get a win in a 0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:50.000 game like this in a city where they despise the Cowboys. 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:51.800 Those that aren't Cowboys fans, we share a ton of 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:56.120 Cowboys fans there that that matters. And you know, anytime 0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:59.800 you're talking about rivalry type games, getting a win, some 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.040 times an a rivalry type game can make a whole 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:04.719 season feel a little bit better. Yeah, And going into 0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:07.560 an offseason, I would suspect that a lot of people 0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:11.960 in Washington the surrounding areas who are fans of the Commanders, 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:14.880 it'll make them feel a little bit better for whatever 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.239 the outcome of the season is, if they can get 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:19.640 that win this weekend, well, if they keep Dallas from winning, 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:23.680 potentially winning the Division two sot. But I do feel 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.120 like though, and they're playing, they're playing a rookie quarterback. 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.080 They're trying to figure out something, you know, and maybe 0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.719 that's the momentum they need. Maybe the rookie quarterback goes 0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:33.360 out and play as well, and it's like, Okay, we 0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:36.160 don't need Carson Wentz, we don't need you know, we 0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:39.120 don't need Taylor Heineke. We'll go with this kid. We'll 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:41.600 draft others, you know, we'll make this team. Said I 0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:44.160 hope I said this. I think this is a really 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:46.480 I think this team should be in the playoffs. They're not. 0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.239 The Giants are in the playoffs. I think this team 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:51.880 is better than the Giants team. So I just do. 0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:55.480 I was thinking just now that if if I'm Washington, 0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:58.879 I don't know what they're they're gonna be picking eight 0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:03.080 seventeen eight team something like that. I would trade number 0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:06.200 one pick and maybe even next year's number one for 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.400 the best quarterback that are like, if there was a 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.560 Russell Wilson situation. I know that that didn't work out well, 0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:15.719 but somebody like that, I would I would look into 0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:19.520 that because I think that's what they were missing quarterback, 0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:23.400 a veteran quarterback, and maybe maybe a team you trade 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:25.520 to a team that doesn't really think that they want 0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:27.600 to trade their quarterback until you throw them a first 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:29.520 round pick at them and you're like, well maybe or 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:32.080 two first round picks. See, I get your and I 0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:34.400 agree with the premise of that. I don't know if 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:37.279 I would go that particular. I would rather say, let 0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:39.480 me give those get those first round picks and see 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:41.200 if I can move up in the draft to where 0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:43.719 I could possibly draft that guy. Because for them, I 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:45.920 would look at and say, I want a young quarterback 0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:49.080 because this year. What would scare me is what happened 0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:51.000 with Russell. What would scare me is what happened with 0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:53.560 Matt Ryan. Like they those teams went out and said 0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:55.759 we just need a quarterback now, and they went and 0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:57.719 got these veteran guys that they were like, we think 0:38:57.760 --> 0:38:59.759 we can bring them in and it just didn't work. 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.160 And by the way, that doesn't mean it doesn't work 0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:03.840 for everybody, just means I would be a little bit 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:06.239 shy that day after watching those two players they might 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:10.600 be depending on. And we do our platform here with 0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:12.640 the Draft Show and stuff like that, we'll be talking 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.000 about these guys a bunch. But maybe they're in a 0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:16.880 position where they can get a guy like Will Levis 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.880 from Kentucky. Maybe, you know, I mean, it's gonna be 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:24.560 young Stroud Levis. I mean, where where are the quarterbacks 0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:26.360 going to fall? And the one thing about it is 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.440 you mentioned this. There's so many quarterbacks on the market too. 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:32.520 I mean will the will the Raiders have a fire 0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:35.880 cell on cars. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You think 0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.080 you'd fit there? He'd be good there. I think he 0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:40.120 probably needs one of those fresh start type of things. 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.719 But does he give you is it going to be 0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:44.920 more of the same because he's added as to this point. 0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.040 It's the reason why the Raiders will probably let him 0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:49.600 go is because he's had a disappointing career to this point. Right, 0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.280 He's got him to the playoffs a couple of different times. 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:54.560 You know, if you look at but yeah, I mean 0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:57.719 to me, he's He's always in that group. Remember when 0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:00.480 people compare, whether you like it or not, that always 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.440 put him in that group with Dak Prescott, you know 0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:06.080 that what quarterback is he eight nine, ten. You know, 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:09.640 they always kind of lump Derek Carr into that into 0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:13.120 that mix. So they're going to be some quarterbacks potentially 0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:16.160 on the market that you can go sign. But like 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:18.440 I say, maybe they're in a position if they're picking 0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:21.760 sixteen or seventeen where all of a sudden, Will Levis 0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:25.000 comes down to them and they just draft a quarterback 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:28.960 that's tough, sturdy. You know, I think ownership is going 0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:31.280 to have a lot to say what happens here, because 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:36.840 this could be a completely different front office and ownership 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:42.120 group and direction once they once the spring meetings and 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:44.360 stuff start. Yeah, let's take our final break when we 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:45.880 come back. I want to talk a little bit real 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:48.720 quick before we end this show about the cornerback position 0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:51.359 and how much now that we've seen Bland and we've 0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:54.160 seen right and they've started to look a little bit better, 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:56.000 how much of a difference now is there between what 0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:57.920 was there before and what they have now going into 0:40:57.920 --> 0:40:59.359 the playoffs. We'll talk about that when we come back 0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:03.439 Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. The season is finally here. 0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:06.600 For months, we've been gearing up to win. Now it's 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:09.680 time for the team that performs on any field. 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This is not a commit to lend 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:12.080 back to the break help Dak Prescott when the twenty 0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:15.640 twenty two Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year. Of course, 0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:17.920 that would be in twenty twenty three. Yeah, but it's 0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:20.640 presented by nation Wide. You can help Dak earn a 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.880 twenty five thousand dollar donation to his Faith Fight Finished 0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:27.920 Foundation by voting on Twitter, tweet or retweet hashtag wpm 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:30.879 oh why challenge followed by Dak Prescott through January eighth, 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.920 vote Welcome back. Final segment of the Break. We own 0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:37.839 and got about a minute fifteen seconds. But come on, Amber, 0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:41.680 when did you talk so much today? Seriously, we're sitting 0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:45.160 here quietly listening to you guys. This was story time 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.719 with the Break today and it was well deserved. I 0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:49.759 think we should have done that. But real quick, I 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:51.719 did want to talk on some Holley stories if you 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:55.080 wanted to, like Chuck Alley stories. Yeah, I didn't have any. 0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:57.960 The only thing I know about I was ten years 0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:00.279 old when he finished, by the way, but I remember playing. 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:04.000 You know, we can talk modern modern, actual date, modern date? 0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.160 How modern? Can you go a minute and a half. 0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:09.560 I'm sorry, Derek, I mean it's fine. As a matter 0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:11.400 of fact, I'm just not gonna save this topic because 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:15.440 we got like literally thirty five seconds left. Uh, when 0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:18.960 you walked on the tennis courts and Oxnard. My first 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:23.840 year was it twenty fifteen? Okay, so the year before 0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:27.399 Dack and yeah got here. Yeah, because I went through 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:30.239 the period where we were just going through quarterbacks and 0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:37.839 you know, killing Moore Castle Random Weedon loved him, great guy. Yeah, 0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:40.080 so modern error for you has a whole different feel 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:45.880 to it, much different, really modern, right. Yeah, Yeah, he's 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:47.560 got a while before those guys get in the Hall 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:50.120 of Fame. It's gonna be a minute. Um be dust 0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:54.200 all right, that's gonna be a rap. We will we 0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:56.839 will save this conversation on the cornerbacks until tomorrow. We'll 0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:58.839 talk about that tomorrow. We'll also get you guys ready 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:00.440 to tell you what we thinks are gonna happen this weekend. 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.080 Cowboys versus Commanders still in for Nick Keatman. Brian brought 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.120 us Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been the 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.680 Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Ravio. This has 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:11.520 been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:13.319 Dallas Cowboys Football Club.